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barryanyway, welcome everyone to this week's ameu reveiwer's meeting.  who's here today?15:00
adeuringbarry: shouting at machines can have bad side-effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq415:02
barryadeuring: will check that out later :)15:02
barry[TOPIC] agenda15:03
barry * Roll call15:03
barry * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained15:03
barry * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)15:03
barry * Action items15:03
barry * Mentoring update15:03
barry[TOPIC]  * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained15:03
barryso.  mars is going to stop doing regular ocr for a while, but he will be doing js reviews on call.  this will last until we have more js reviewers trained up to spread the load15:04
barrymy only concern is ocr coverage for thursdays15:05
marswell, we have experienced JS reviewers - they're just spread out :)15:05
barrysince there's no euro coverage on thursdays15:05
barrymars: ah15:05
danilosmars: are you really happy with allowing review requests to come at any time? that might be a bit hard on you15:05
danilos(i.e. I'd suggest keeping a time slot as well, and allowing pre-arrangements in other cases)15:06
marsdanilos, I find myself doing so anyway, for the YUI integration.  Ironcially, I hope that this frees up more time to code :)15:06
danilosmars: right, if that's the case, go for it :)15:06
marsdanilos, it's only temporary, until some more YUI code goes through review with the AJAX team.  Then I'll switch back.15:07
danilosbarry: early hours of euro coverage are usually not very busy (at least that's my experience on tuesdays)15:07
marsbarry has left the building...15:07
danilosgmb: ok, we hear you ;)15:08
marsok, well, barry was concerned that we may be thin for reviewers15:09
marsthat puts the Thursday/West review load on cprov15:09
danilosI can myself switch to Thursdays, though that leaves Tuesday euro slot empty15:10
* mars checks the ReviewerSchedule15:10
danilosthough, we've got two "west" reviewers (rockstar and bac)15:10
baci think tuesdays would be sufficiently covered15:10
intellectronicame too (sorry i'm late)15:10
danilosagreed, so I'll just switch over to Thursdays, but starting next week :)15:11
marsdanilos, cool.  I've found myself doing Euro reviews when I start my shift, so maybe you can start them even earlier.15:12
cprovdanilos: nice!15:13
daniloscprov: you are still on your own this week, but week 3 should be easier for you :)15:13
marsso, we are agreed then?15:14
cprovdanilos: let's hope so :)15:14
danilosI've already updated the ReviewersSchedule15:15
marsdanilos, thank you15:15
mars[AGREED] Danilo to move to the Thursday/Euro review slot15:15
marsok, so what's next?15:16
gary_posterPeanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)15:16
gary_poster[TOPIC] * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)15:17
abentleyHave people been trying out bzr send?15:17
bacabentley: yes!  love it.15:17
marsabentley, yes!  It doesn't like unicode emails :(15:17
allenapYes, it's cool.15:17
marsbut it's awesome to use15:17
* gmb just used it for the first time. Looks cool.15:18
abentleyCool.  I hope to get it supporting bundles soon.15:18
bacabentley: if you use 'editor' could it be made to save a copy of the MP you write in the directory, like review-submit did?15:18
abentleySo then you don't need to create a branch even.15:18
barryjeebus.  xchat gave me no indication i wasn't logged in15:18
danilosbzr send is on my agenda to try out today or tomorrow (I have your instruction loaded in one window :)15:18
barryi saw my messages but nothing by anyone else15:19
barryi thought you all were ignoring me ;)15:19
abentleybac: I imagine it could.15:19
barrywhat's the last thing you saw from me?15:19
bac10:00:38] <barry> mooooootbooottt!15:19
abentleybac: I had quite a lot of hate for that feature, because I couldn't commit --strict after that.15:19
gary_posterbarry: mars: ah15:19
danilosbarry: your behind on the door, but that's probably not what you are actually asking15:19
abentleybac: Of course, if you use a different client, it will be in your sent items.15:20
danilosbarry: fyi, I've switched from Tuesdays to Thursdays for OCR to help alleviate load on cprov15:20
barrydanilos: ha ha!15:20
barrydanilos: thanks.  did you update the wiki pages?15:20
marsbarry, and we're telling war stories for bzr send15:20
bacabentley: i'm just paranoid about losing work and having to re-type the MP.  can work around, though.15:21
barrymars: excellent!  are people using bzr send for mps now?15:21
danilosbarry: we've moved on to peanut gallery where abentley is showing off his bzr send magic15:21
* barry will have to look at the logs15:21
abentleybac: You can certainly save it yourself...15:22
bacabentley: that's the work-around i mentioned.15:23
abentleymars: I saw the unicode thing you mentioned.  Was pretty shocked that LP's simple_sendmail can't handle email ids with Unicode.15:23
barryabentley: we talked at one time about reviving review-submit and rebuilding it on top of 'bzr send'.  does that still make sense?15:23
marsabentley, the OOPS comes from the Python email module I think.15:24
* barry ducks15:24
marsLP's simple_sendmail can't be blamed for that :)15:24
sinzuiabentley: There is a mythical branch from spiv two years ago that would handle that.15:24
abentleybarry: I think it would be much better to make "bzr send" do what we need than invent our own quirky thing that is kinda the same.15:24
barrybarry_: your irc client sucks15:25
barry_barry: i know :(15:25
abentleymars: Python's email module supports unicode headers when used correctly.15:26
daniloswe'll get to see how it all works once I give it a try :)15:26
abentleymars: It's just a bit of a hassle to use it correctly.15:26
barryabentley: send would have to grow some hook points perhaps.  e.g. to do the lint checking and cover.txt prompting, etc.  is that feasible?15:27
marsdanilos, it sends the mail and such, but you get this wayward mail after-the-fact.15:27
abentleybarry: I think so.15:27
marsdanilos, maybe it's trying to archive the mail or something when it blows up15:27
danilosmars: right, I'll pay close attention to see what's happening once I get to it15:27
barryabentley: cool.  here's to hoping there's a week 0 soon :)15:28
barryshall we move on to other topics?15:29
barry[TOPIC] action items15:30
barryi have made no progress on my two15:30
barryflacoste: any progress on API reviewer cheat sheet?15:30
flacostebarry, no i suck15:31
barryno worries :)15:31
flacostei should15:31
flacostesucking like that 4 meeting in a row isn't good15:32
flacostei should do it15:32
barryflacoste: kfogel has been making a lot of great progress on the dev wiki15:32
flacosteor either find somebody else to do it15:32
flacostei saw15:32
kfogeloh, barry et al: I meant to ask if people are happy with the direction in the dev wiki15:32
barrycool.  we'll just keep it on the agenda for now anyway15:32
barrykfogel: in general, yes.  i found it a bit hard to find the pages i was looking for, but mostly because they'd been renamed (not that that reorg is a bad thing)15:33
barrykfogel: i think the thing that would /really/ help me is some progress on the outstanding dev wiki usability bugs15:33
kfogelbarry: yes, sorry.  I'm aiming it at the newcomers, not us; the inconvenience should be temporary.15:34
kfogelbarry: oh -- are these filed issues?  (I can search for them?)15:34
barrykfogel: oh, that's totally fine.  i'll get used to it.  yes, iirc they're all on the launchpad-docs project, but double check w/ mrevell15:34
kfogelwill do15:34
barry[TOPIC] mentoring update15:35
barryany updates from mentors or mentats?  any graduations imminent? :)15:35
allenapI think adeuring is due to graduate... he's pretty hot on reviews.15:36
adeuringallenap: thanks :)15:36
barryallenap: send me an email and i'll make it official15:36
allenapbarry: Cool, okay :)15:36
barrygreat!  well, that's all i have today.  unless you have anything else, we can break now and i can spend the next 3.79 hours trying to figure out why xchat is so horribly broken for me now, and then another 6.12 days switching to irc-in-emacs only to punt on it all and stick with <cough>colloquy</cough>15:38
gary_posterbarry: <mutter>that's what I'm using :-D </mutter>15:39
barrygary_poster: maybe i should use irooms on my iphone :)15:39
barryokay then!15:40
barrythanks everyone.  see you back at the ranch15:40
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