=== mrevell-afk is now known as mrevell === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] mooooootbooottt! [15:00] anyway, welcome everyone to this week's ameu reveiwer's meeting. who's here today? [15:00] me [15:00] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:01] me [15:02] me [15:02] barry: shouting at machines can have bad side-effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4 [15:02] adeuring: will check that out later :) [15:03] me [15:03] [TOPIC] agenda [15:03] * Roll call [15:03] * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained [15:03] * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) [15:03] * Action items [15:03] * Mentoring update [15:03] [TOPIC] * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained [15:04] so. mars is going to stop doing regular ocr for a while, but he will be doing js reviews on call. this will last until we have more js reviewers trained up to spread the load [15:05] my only concern is ocr coverage for thursdays [15:05] well, we have experienced JS reviewers - they're just spread out :) [15:05] since there's no euro coverage on thursdays [15:05] mars: ah [15:05] mars: are you really happy with allowing review requests to come at any time? that might be a bit hard on you [15:06] (i.e. I'd suggest keeping a time slot as well, and allowing pre-arrangements in other cases) [15:06] danilos, I find myself doing so anyway, for the YUI integration. Ironcially, I hope that this frees up more time to code :) [15:06] mars: right, if that's the case, go for it :) [15:07] danilos, it's only temporary, until some more YUI code goes through review with the AJAX team. Then I'll switch back. [15:07] barry: early hours of euro coverage are usually not very busy (at least that's my experience on tuesdays) [15:07] barry has left the building... [15:08] me [15:08] gmb: ok, we hear you ;) [15:09] ok, well, barry was concerned that we may be thin for reviewers [15:09] that puts the Thursday/West review load on cprov [15:10] I can myself switch to Thursdays, though that leaves Tuesday euro slot empty [15:10] * mars checks the ReviewerSchedule [15:10] though, we've got two "west" reviewers (rockstar and bac) [15:10] i think tuesdays would be sufficiently covered [15:10] me too (sorry i'm late) [15:11] agreed, so I'll just switch over to Thursdays, but starting next week :) [15:12] danilos, cool. I've found myself doing Euro reviews when I start my shift, so maybe you can start them even earlier. [15:13] danilos: nice! [15:13] cprov: you are still on your own this week, but week 3 should be easier for you :) [15:14] so, we are agreed then? [15:14] danilos: let's hope so :) [15:14] 3 [15:14] 2 [15:15] 1 [15:15] I've already updated the ReviewersSchedule [15:15] :) [15:15] danilos, thank you [15:15] [AGREED] Danilo to move to the Thursday/Euro review slot [15:16] ok, so what's next? [15:16] Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) [15:17] [TOPIC] * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) [15:17] Have people been trying out bzr send? [15:17] abentley: yes! love it. [15:17] abentley, yes! It doesn't like unicode emails :( [15:17] Yes, it's cool. [15:17] but it's awesome to use [15:18] * gmb just used it for the first time. Looks cool. [15:18] Cool. I hope to get it supporting bundles soon. [15:18] abentley: if you use 'editor' could it be made to save a copy of the MP you write in the directory, like review-submit did? [15:18] So then you don't need to create a branch even. [15:18] barry! [15:18] jeebus. xchat gave me no indication i wasn't logged in [15:18] bzr send is on my agenda to try out today or tomorrow (I have your instruction loaded in one window :) [15:19] i saw my messages but nothing by anyone else [15:19] i thought you all were ignoring me ;) [15:19] bac: I imagine it could. [15:19] what's the last thing you saw from me? [15:19] 10:00:38] mooooootbooottt! [15:19] bac: I had quite a lot of hate for that feature, because I couldn't commit --strict after that. [15:19] barry: mars: ah [15:19] barry: your behind on the door, but that's probably not what you are actually asking [15:20] :-) [15:20] bac: Of course, if you use a different client, it will be in your sent items. [15:20] barry: fyi, I've switched from Tuesdays to Thursdays for OCR to help alleviate load on cprov [15:20] danilos: ha ha! [15:20] danilos: thanks. did you update the wiki pages? [15:20] barry, and we're telling war stories for bzr send [15:21] abentley: i'm just paranoid about losing work and having to re-type the MP. can work around, though. [15:21] mars: excellent! are people using bzr send for mps now? [15:21] barry: we've moved on to peanut gallery where abentley is showing off his bzr send magic [15:21] * barry will have to look at the logs [15:22] bac: You can certainly save it yourself... [15:23] abentley: that's the work-around i mentioned. [15:23] mars: I saw the unicode thing you mentioned. Was pretty shocked that LP's simple_sendmail can't handle email ids with Unicode. [15:23] abentley: we talked at one time about reviving review-submit and rebuilding it on top of 'bzr send'. does that still make sense? [15:24] abentley, the OOPS comes from the Python email module I think. [15:24] * barry ducks [15:24] LP's simple_sendmail can't be blamed for that :) [15:24] abentley: There is a mythical branch from spiv two years ago that would handle that. [15:24] barry: I think it would be much better to make "bzr send" do what we need than invent our own quirky thing that is kinda the same. [15:25] barry_: your irc client sucks [15:25] barry: i know :( [15:25] LOL [15:26] mars: Python's email module supports unicode headers when used correctly. [15:26] ah [15:26] we'll get to see how it all works once I give it a try :) [15:26] mars: It's just a bit of a hassle to use it correctly. [15:27] abentley: send would have to grow some hook points perhaps. e.g. to do the lint checking and cover.txt prompting, etc. is that feasible? [15:27] danilos, it sends the mail and such, but you get this wayward mail after-the-fact. [15:27] barry: I think so. [15:27] danilos, maybe it's trying to archive the mail or something when it blows up [15:27] mars: right, I'll pay close attention to see what's happening once I get to it [15:28] abentley: cool. here's to hoping there's a week 0 soon :) [15:29] shall we move on to other topics? [15:30] [TOPIC] action items [15:30] i have made no progress on my two [15:30] flacoste: any progress on API reviewer cheat sheet? [15:31] barry, no i suck [15:31] no worries :) [15:31] well [15:31] i should [15:32] sucking like that 4 meeting in a row isn't good [15:32] i should do it [15:32] flacoste: kfogel has been making a lot of great progress on the dev wiki [15:32] or either find somebody else to do it [15:32] i saw [15:32] oh, barry et al: I meant to ask if people are happy with the direction in the dev wiki [15:32] cool. we'll just keep it on the agenda for now anyway [15:33] kfogel: in general, yes. i found it a bit hard to find the pages i was looking for, but mostly because they'd been renamed (not that that reorg is a bad thing) [15:33] kfogel: i think the thing that would /really/ help me is some progress on the outstanding dev wiki usability bugs [15:34] barry: yes, sorry. I'm aiming it at the newcomers, not us; the inconvenience should be temporary. [15:34] barry: oh -- are these filed issues? (I can search for them?) [15:34] kfogel: oh, that's totally fine. i'll get used to it. yes, iirc they're all on the launchpad-docs project, but double check w/ mrevell [15:34] *nod* [15:34] will do [15:34] thx! [15:35] [TOPIC] mentoring update [15:35] any updates from mentors or mentats? any graduations imminent? :) [15:36] I think adeuring is due to graduate... he's pretty hot on reviews. [15:36] allenap: thanks :) [15:36] excellent [15:36] allenap: send me an email and i'll make it official [15:36] barry: Cool, okay :) [15:38] great! well, that's all i have today. unless you have anything else, we can break now and i can spend the next 3.79 hours trying to figure out why xchat is so horribly broken for me now, and then another 6.12 days switching to irc-in-emacs only to punt on it all and stick with colloquy [15:39] barry: that's what I'm using :-D [15:39] :) [15:39] gary_poster: maybe i should use irooms on my iphone :) [15:40] heh [15:40] okay then! [15:40] #endmeeting [15:40] thanks everyone. see you back at the ranch === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado === mrevell is now known as mrevell-afk