[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <barry> mooooootbooottt!
[15:00] <barry> anyway, welcome everyone to this week's ameu reveiwer's meeting.  who's here today?
[15:00] <abentley> me
[15:00] <bac> me
[15:01] <mars> me
[15:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:01] <sinzui> me
[15:01] <adeuring> me
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:01] <gary_poster> me
[15:02] <allenap> me
[15:02] <adeuring> barry: shouting at machines can have bad side-effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4
[15:02] <barry> adeuring: will check that out later :)
[15:03] <danilos> me
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:03] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:03] <barry>  * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained
[15:03] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:03] <barry>  * Action items
[15:03] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC]  * mars to stop ocr, will review js on call until more reviewers are trained
[15:04] <barry> so.  mars is going to stop doing regular ocr for a while, but he will be doing js reviews on call.  this will last until we have more js reviewers trained up to spread the load
[15:05] <barry> my only concern is ocr coverage for thursdays
[15:05] <mars> well, we have experienced JS reviewers - they're just spread out :)
[15:05] <barry> since there's no euro coverage on thursdays
[15:05] <barry> mars: ah
[15:05] <danilos> mars: are you really happy with allowing review requests to come at any time? that might be a bit hard on you
[15:06] <danilos> (i.e. I'd suggest keeping a time slot as well, and allowing pre-arrangements in other cases)
[15:06] <mars> danilos, I find myself doing so anyway, for the YUI integration.  Ironcially, I hope that this frees up more time to code :)
[15:06] <danilos> mars: right, if that's the case, go for it :)
[15:07] <mars> danilos, it's only temporary, until some more YUI code goes through review with the AJAX team.  Then I'll switch back.
[15:07] <danilos> barry: early hours of euro coverage are usually not very busy (at least that's my experience on tuesdays)
[15:07] <mars> barry has left the building...
[15:08] <gmb> me
[15:08] <danilos> gmb: ok, we hear you ;)
[15:09] <mars> ok, well, barry was concerned that we may be thin for reviewers
[15:09] <mars> that puts the Thursday/West review load on cprov
[15:10] <danilos> I can myself switch to Thursdays, though that leaves Tuesday euro slot empty
[15:10]  * mars checks the ReviewerSchedule
[15:10] <danilos> though, we've got two "west" reviewers (rockstar and bac)
[15:10] <bac> i think tuesdays would be sufficiently covered
[15:10] <intellectronica> me too (sorry i'm late)
[15:11] <danilos> agreed, so I'll just switch over to Thursdays, but starting next week :)
[15:12] <mars> danilos, cool.  I've found myself doing Euro reviews when I start my shift, so maybe you can start them even earlier.
[15:13] <cprov> danilos: nice!
[15:13] <danilos> cprov: you are still on your own this week, but week 3 should be easier for you :)
[15:14] <mars> so, we are agreed then?
[15:14] <cprov> danilos: let's hope so :)
[15:14] <mars> 3
[15:14] <mars> 2
[15:15] <mars> 1
[15:15] <danilos> I've already updated the ReviewersSchedule
[15:15] <danilos> :)
[15:15] <mars> danilos, thank you
[15:15] <mars> [AGREED] Danilo to move to the Thursday/Euro review slot
[15:16] <mars> ok, so what's next?
[15:16] <gary_poster> Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:17] <gary_poster> [TOPIC] * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:17] <abentley> Have people been trying out bzr send?
[15:17] <bac> abentley: yes!  love it.
[15:17] <mars> abentley, yes!  It doesn't like unicode emails :(
[15:17] <allenap> Yes, it's cool.
[15:17] <mars> but it's awesome to use
[15:18]  * gmb just used it for the first time. Looks cool.
[15:18] <abentley> Cool.  I hope to get it supporting bundles soon.
[15:18] <bac> abentley: if you use 'editor' could it be made to save a copy of the MP you write in the directory, like review-submit did?
[15:18] <abentley> So then you don't need to create a branch even.
[15:18] <mars> barry!
[15:18] <barry> jeebus.  xchat gave me no indication i wasn't logged in
[15:18] <danilos> bzr send is on my agenda to try out today or tomorrow (I have your instruction loaded in one window :)
[15:19] <barry> i saw my messages but nothing by anyone else
[15:19] <barry> i thought you all were ignoring me ;)
[15:19] <abentley> bac: I imagine it could.
[15:19] <barry> what's the last thing you saw from me?
[15:19] <bac> 10:00:38] <barry> mooooootbooottt!
[15:19] <abentley> bac: I had quite a lot of hate for that feature, because I couldn't commit --strict after that.
[15:19] <gary_poster> barry: mars: ah
[15:19] <danilos> barry: your behind on the door, but that's probably not what you are actually asking
[15:20] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:20] <abentley> bac: Of course, if you use a different client, it will be in your sent items.
[15:20] <danilos> barry: fyi, I've switched from Tuesdays to Thursdays for OCR to help alleviate load on cprov
[15:20] <barry> danilos: ha ha!
[15:20] <barry> danilos: thanks.  did you update the wiki pages?
[15:20] <mars> barry, and we're telling war stories for bzr send
[15:21] <bac> abentley: i'm just paranoid about losing work and having to re-type the MP.  can work around, though.
[15:21] <barry> mars: excellent!  are people using bzr send for mps now?
[15:21] <danilos> barry: we've moved on to peanut gallery where abentley is showing off his bzr send magic
[15:21]  * barry will have to look at the logs
[15:22] <abentley> bac: You can certainly save it yourself...
[15:23] <bac> abentley: that's the work-around i mentioned.
[15:23] <abentley> mars: I saw the unicode thing you mentioned.  Was pretty shocked that LP's simple_sendmail can't handle email ids with Unicode.
[15:23] <barry> abentley: we talked at one time about reviving review-submit and rebuilding it on top of 'bzr send'.  does that still make sense?
[15:24] <mars> abentley, the OOPS comes from the Python email module I think.
[15:24]  * barry ducks
[15:24] <mars> LP's simple_sendmail can't be blamed for that :)
[15:24] <sinzui> abentley: There is a mythical branch from spiv two years ago that would handle that.
[15:24] <abentley> barry: I think it would be much better to make "bzr send" do what we need than invent our own quirky thing that is kinda the same.
[15:25] <barry> barry_: your irc client sucks
[15:25] <barry_> barry: i know :(
[15:25] <mars> LOL
[15:26] <abentley> mars: Python's email module supports unicode headers when used correctly.
[15:26] <mars> ah
[15:26] <danilos> we'll get to see how it all works once I give it a try :)
[15:26] <abentley> mars: It's just a bit of a hassle to use it correctly.
[15:27] <barry> abentley: send would have to grow some hook points perhaps.  e.g. to do the lint checking and cover.txt prompting, etc.  is that feasible?
[15:27] <mars> danilos, it sends the mail and such, but you get this wayward mail after-the-fact.
[15:27] <abentley> barry: I think so.
[15:27] <mars> danilos, maybe it's trying to archive the mail or something when it blows up
[15:27] <danilos> mars: right, I'll pay close attention to see what's happening once I get to it
[15:28] <barry> abentley: cool.  here's to hoping there's a week 0 soon :)
[15:29] <barry> shall we move on to other topics?
[15:30] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:30] <barry> i have made no progress on my two
[15:30] <barry> flacoste: any progress on API reviewer cheat sheet?
[15:31] <flacoste> barry, no i suck
[15:31] <barry> no worries :)
[15:31] <flacoste> well
[15:31] <flacoste> i should
[15:32] <flacoste> sucking like that 4 meeting in a row isn't good
[15:32] <flacoste> i should do it
[15:32] <barry> flacoste: kfogel has been making a lot of great progress on the dev wiki
[15:32] <flacoste> or either find somebody else to do it
[15:32] <flacoste> i saw
[15:32] <kfogel> oh, barry et al: I meant to ask if people are happy with the direction in the dev wiki
[15:32] <barry> cool.  we'll just keep it on the agenda for now anyway
[15:33] <barry> kfogel: in general, yes.  i found it a bit hard to find the pages i was looking for, but mostly because they'd been renamed (not that that reorg is a bad thing)
[15:33] <barry> kfogel: i think the thing that would /really/ help me is some progress on the outstanding dev wiki usability bugs
[15:34] <kfogel> barry: yes, sorry.  I'm aiming it at the newcomers, not us; the inconvenience should be temporary.
[15:34] <kfogel> barry: oh -- are these filed issues?  (I can search for them?)
[15:34] <barry> kfogel: oh, that's totally fine.  i'll get used to it.  yes, iirc they're all on the launchpad-docs project, but double check w/ mrevell
[15:34] <kfogel> *nod*
[15:34] <kfogel> will do
[15:34] <barry> thx!
[15:35] <barry> [TOPIC] mentoring update
[15:35] <barry> any updates from mentors or mentats?  any graduations imminent? :)
[15:36] <allenap> I think adeuring is due to graduate... he's pretty hot on reviews.
[15:36] <adeuring> allenap: thanks :)
[15:36] <barry> excellent
[15:36] <barry> allenap: send me an email and i'll make it official
[15:36] <allenap> barry: Cool, okay :)
[15:38] <barry> great!  well, that's all i have today.  unless you have anything else, we can break now and i can spend the next 3.79 hours trying to figure out why xchat is so horribly broken for me now, and then another 6.12 days switching to irc-in-emacs only to punt on it all and stick with <cough>colloquy</cough>
[15:39] <gary_poster> barry: <mutter>that's what I'm using :-D </mutter>
[15:39] <barry> :)
[15:39] <barry> gary_poster: maybe i should use irooms on my iphone :)
[15:40] <gary_poster> heh
[15:40] <barry> okay then!
[15:40] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:40] <barry> thanks everyone.  see you back at the ranch