| karlp | having major issues with nvidia + jaunty + X | 00:13 |
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| andersk | You need Option "IgnoreABI" "True" in the ServerFlags section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf. | 00:14 |
| karlp | okay i'll try that | 00:14 |
| karlp | why does mysql start up at boot now? | 00:16 |
| karlp | is it for akonadi or whatever? | 00:17 |
| karlp | i don't even use akonadi | 00:17 |
| x1250 | karlp, mysql behaviour has not changed. | 00:21 |
| andersk | Try aptitude search '~Dmysql-server~i' to see what packages are installed that depend on mysql-server. | 00:21 |
| karlp | actually my nvidia problem is much deeper than an xorg fix | 00:23 |
| karlp | er, configuration fix | 00:23 |
| karlp | if i try to install nvidia-glx-177, i have to uninstall all of x? | 00:23 |
| karlp | wtf? who packages this stuff | 00:23 |
| andersk | If your hardware is new enough for the 180 drivers, try nvidia-glx-180 instead. | 00:23 |
| karlp | i tried that as well | 00:23 |
| karlp | i've got a 8300 gs | 00:24 |
| karlp | i don't think that's all that new (late 2007) | 00:24 |
| andersk | The 177 drivers haven’t been rebuilt against the new xorg. 180 has. | 00:24 |
| andersk | So what happens with nvidia-glx-180? | 00:25 |
| karlp | same | 00:25 |
| karlp | i don't understand why ubuntu is so complicated | 00:25 |
| andersk | It still tries to uninstall Xorg? That should not be happening with 180. | 00:25 |
| karlp | it does | 00:25 |
| x1250 | karlp, it seems complicated because yo haven't do your homework. Try reading a bit. | 00:26 |
| karlp | i'm actually afraid to update at this point because the only thing that's sure to work is not updating | 00:26 |
| karlp | x1250: hahaha, isn't the stated goal of ubuntu to be easy, user-friendly etc.? | 00:26 |
| andersk | (The reason it happens with 177 is that nvidia-glx-177 provides xserver-xorg-video-4, and xserver-xorg-core depends xserver-xorg-video-5 and conflicts xserver-xorg-video-4.) | 00:26 |
| karlp | yeah | 00:26 |
| andersk | You cannot expect a development release (Jaunty) to be as easy to use as a stable release (Intrepid). | 00:27 |
| karlp | that wasn't easy either | 00:27 |
| karlp | i always have to fight with ubuntu to get it to work | 00:27 |
| karlp | i've been using ubuntu since 5.10 | 00:27 |
| karlp | been using gentoo since 2004 and even then, it had problems, but i've never had to diagnose anything for longer than 2 hours | 00:28 |
| karlp | ubuntu... i've deployed on several school labs back in high school and it was a huge mistake. huge uphill battle | 00:28 |
| karlp | i stuck with it because i figured it has the largest software repositories, but i'm wrong about that too | 00:28 |
| karlp | opera 9.5 is _still_ not in canonical repositories | 00:28 |
| hggdh | and will not be | 00:29 |
| karlp | i'll give it a go for another hour at most, but after that, i'm wiping ubuntu and putting arch on it | 00:29 |
| hggdh | but they provide builds for ubuntu | 00:29 |
| karlp | no ngspice for ubuntu either | 00:29 |
| karlp | hggdh: yeah, but that's not very user friendly | 00:29 |
| hggdh | the problem is the Opera licence | 00:29 |
| RAOF | In particular, the nvidia-glx-177 drivers will not work (properly) with the version of Xorg in Jaunty. It just won't load. | 00:29 |
| karlp | hggdh: did it change between 9.2x and 9.5x? | 00:30 |
| karlp | hggdh: if it did, that's understandable that debian and ubuntu want to stay pure. but if not, then it's laziness | 00:30 |
| hggdh | karlp, if the source is provided, please feel free to contribute a build of Opera to Ubuntu | 00:31 |
| karlp | hggdh: source? opera's proprietary | 00:31 |
| hggdh | thank you. There you go | 00:32 |
| hggdh | how can we, then, provide it? | 00:32 |
| karlp | use the deb they have | 00:32 |
| * hggdh is running opera 9.63, BTW | 00:32 | |
| hggdh | yes. This is what *I* do. But Ubuntu cannot provide a package this way, expect -- perhaps -- in multiverse, | 00:33 |
| hggdh | s/expect/except/ | 00:33 |
| karlp | yeah, i'm talking about the canonical repository | 00:33 |
| karlp | ah, well there's an update, so if this works, great. if not, goodbye | 00:34 |
| hggdh | karlp, please propose it (I do not know the channel, though). I do remember, dimly, a discussion about opera some time (years?) ago. | 00:35 |
| RAOF | You mean, the partner repository? AFAIK, it's up to Opera to update their stuff in there. | 00:35 |
| hggdh | thanks, RAOF | 00:35 |
| karlp | so what allows gentoo or arch from incorporating the latest opera into their repositories? | 00:36 |
| karlp | s/from incorporating/to incorporate/ | 00:37 |
| hggdh | I do not know. Perhaps they provide a wrapper to the Opera binaries | 00:37 |
| hggdh | but, on Gentoo, this would be strange... | 00:37 |
| karlp | how would that bypass legal issues? | 00:37 |
| RAOF | It wouldn't. | 00:37 |
| hggdh | it does not. | 00:37 |
| karlp | and what legal issues anyway? | 00:37 |
| karlp | i've just heard you vaguely claim they exist | 00:37 |
| karlp | never heard that before | 00:38 |
| RAOF | You'd be surprised how much software people illegally redistribute ;) | 00:38 |
| RAOF | Anyway, I can't seem to find a license _at all_ on the Opera site. | 00:38 |
| karlp | what's illegal about it? the branding? | 00:38 |
| hggdh | if a piece of software is proprietary, then the owner may impose restrictions to (re) distribution | 00:38 |
| karlp | what about ngspice? | 00:38 |
| hggdh | and usually they *do* | 00:38 |
| karlp | that's free. don't see why that's not in ubuntu yet | 00:38 |
| karlp | free as in cost and free as in freedom | 00:38 |
| * hggdh does not even know what is ngspice | 00:38 | |
| karlp | circuit simulation tool | 00:39 |
| hggdh | in this case, all that is needed is someone to package it | 00:39 |
| karlp | it's already packaged | 00:39 |
| RAOF | karlp: Well, in the absence of an explicit license, they hold the copyright, and _any_ copy infringes it. | 00:39 |
| karlp | i don't know what is holding it up | 00:39 |
| hggdh | do you have a link? | 00:39 |
| karlp | hggdh: if you search launchpad's bug thing for ngspice it says needs packaging and that it's "fixed" | 00:40 |
| karlp | which is bullshit because i can't get ngspice on jaunty | 00:40 |
| karlp | oh, that's the other thing i absolutely hate about ubuntu. what happened to upstart and all that frenzy that edgy / feisty were supposed to generate? | 00:40 |
| karlp | instead, we're all stuck with that heinously useless update-rc.d and its ilk | 00:41 |
| karlp | networkmanager has never worked for me, but that's not an ubuntu specific complaint... never had it work on four or more separate machines running arch, gentoo, ubuntu, etc. | 00:41 |
| hggdh | karlp, are you talking about bug 2465-6? | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 2465 in rosetta "Timeouts when translating to Dutch" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2465 | 00:42 |
| hggdh | dammit | 00:42 |
| hggdh | bug 246506 | 00:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246506 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ngspice" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246506 | 00:42 |
| karlp | hggdh: not the first one, but yes, the second one | 00:42 |
| hggdh | it is still open | 00:42 |
| karlp | i don't have x to view it in a proper browser, but i seem to remember it said fixed | 00:43 |
| karlp | there were two entries it looked strange | 00:43 |
| karlp | like blah blah --- confirmed fixed | 00:43 |
| karlp | and blah blah -- wishlist confirmed | 00:43 |
| karlp | or something like that | 00:43 |
| RAOF | Fix committed, in Debian. | 00:43 |
| karlp | ... so that doesn't instantenously trickle down to ubuntu? | 00:43 |
| hggdh | no, it does not | 00:44 |
| karlp | i thought debian was ubuntu's parent project | 00:44 |
| RAOF | The team working on it have something, but are waiting for upstream changes before they actually upload it to Debian. | 00:44 |
| RAOF | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489768 | 00:44 |
| karlp | what upstream changes? arch and gentoo both have r18 nicely packaged | 00:44 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 489768 in wnpp "ITP: ngspice -- A Spice circuit simulator" [Wishlist,Open] | 00:44 |
| hggdh | no, Ubuntu is based on Debian, but Debian is not Ubuntu's parent | 00:44 |
| karlp | i'm pretty sure debian's bug website is nicer on elinks so i'll check it out | 00:44 |
| RAOF | Licensing changes. | 00:44 |
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| karlp | i mean parent as in for software sharing | 00:45 |
| RAOF | Can only be done upstream, and Debian is substantially more strict than gentoo or arch, I think. | 00:45 |
| karlp | okay, updated. about to see if X works, if not. i'm wiping this shit off | 00:45 |
| hggdh | sigh | 00:45 |
| RAOF | Eh. Whatever works for him. | 00:46 |
| hggdh | karlp, perhaps you would be better off with another distribution. You seem to be full of complaints, and no real help | 00:46 |
| karlp | okay, goodbye | 00:49 |
| karlp | had enough of this | 00:49 |
| karlp | the latest update starts my X up and freezes control to my usb keyboard and usb mouse | 00:50 |
| karlp | nvidia-glx-180 and everything | 00:50 |
| karlp | oh, while i'm at it, another parting gift | 00:51 |
| karlp | all the spice user interfaces that ubuntu packages come with no simulator | 00:52 |
| karlp | so you get a fancy gui (that looks like crap imo) that can't do anything | 00:52 |
| karlp | you can take screenshots of your schematics and maybe export to eps but that's about it | 00:52 |
| karlp | gnucap is also a pathetic excuse for circuit simulation software and is pretty incompatible with spice even though they claim they are compatible | 00:53 |
| karlp | i guess for being critical i should say something nice too | 00:53 |
| karlp | ubuntu has a solid artwork department | 00:53 |
| karlp | wherever you get those people from... keep doing more of that | 00:53 |
| karlp | hey, hardware support in the latest ubuntu kernel has gotten better too | 00:54 |
| karlp | my usb stick is recognized | 00:54 |
| karlp | but, that's very little consolation when X doesn't work, and i have to constantly rmmod forcedeth && modprobe forcedeth && /etc/init.d/networking restart on boot because of some stupid issue that i can't figure out (but didn't exist in intrepid, hardy, etc.) | 00:55 |
| hggdh | karlp, you are running an alpha version of Ubuntu. You should know that this can break and break bad. | 00:57 |
| hggdh | I run it, but I know what to expect, and have indeed recovered from nasty situations | 00:57 |
| karlp | hggdh: i do know that. but that's not even the issue. software that i require to a greater extent is increasingly more difficult to find and setup on ubuntu and is much easier on arch | 00:58 |
| karlp | hggdh: i've seriously tried for at least 3+ years (close to 4 now) to convince myself that i like ubuntu | 00:58 |
| karlp | hggdh: i just absolutely hate the way most of the system is handled. booting always takes much longer than any other distribution i've used | 00:58 |
| hggdh | well, then, I guess you should either help improve it, or move to arch | 00:59 |
| karlp | hggdh: i hate the way the runlevels work. i hate the way building stuff from source is complicated (much more so than on arch with it's abs + pkgbuild) | 00:59 |
| karlp | hggdh: exactly, and i don't have the time to do the former | 00:59 |
| hggdh | on the other hand, I tried a LOT of dists, since 1995, before stopping at Ubuntu | 00:59 |
| karlp | that's really strange. i've never recommended ubuntu to anyone who wasn't just starting to play around with linux distributions | 01:00 |
| karlp | in other words, if i knew the person had some experience, i'd point them to something that i knew would fit them better | 01:00 |
| karlp | that begs the question... why am i still on it | 01:00 |
| hggdh | insteresting the source build issue. I find it simple (but -- probably -- I have been doing it for a while, so it is already ingrained) | 01:00 |
| karlp | and the answer is that i (falsely) assumed when i started with ubuntu that it had the most software packages available | 01:01 |
| karlp | eh, it's much easier in arch | 01:01 |
| karlp | i rather not use gentoo because building from source takes forever | 01:01 |
| karlp | but i'm stuck with it on my desktop back home | 01:01 |
| karlp | i would have had the same situation with ubuntu on this system, but i'm going to suck it up and fix it before it gets on my nerves | 01:01 |
| karlp | i have too many things on my gentoo desktop to bother installing anything else on it, so it remains :( | 01:02 |
| hggdh | heh | 01:02 |
| karlp | i think it's a common thread with me and open source software | 01:04 |
| karlp | i start out intensely liking something and end up really hating it | 01:04 |
| karlp | like firefox | 01:04 |
| karlp | started out before the 1.0 series | 01:04 |
| karlp | loved it, but then it was filled with bloat by 1.5 | 01:04 |
| karlp | now hardware is cheaper, better, etc. so it's not as noticeable, but 3.0 is still not nearly as fast as i remember the 0.x series | 01:05 |
| hggdh | I know... I keep jumping between ffox, opera, Empathy, and Konqueror | 01:05 |
| karlp | and what's strange is i started out intensely hating arch | 01:05 |
| Melik | hey guys ugh anyone know what this apache2 module is called? >> http://dev.gentoo.org/~omp/ | 01:05 |
| karlp | but it's gotten so much better from 2004-2006 that i'm finding myself replacing everything (except my openbsd boxes) with it | 01:06 |
| hggdh | Melik, I do not | 01:06 |
| karlp | directory listing? | 01:06 |
| Melik | yeah | 01:06 |
| karlp | i know that's a module in lighttpd. been awhile since i've used apache | 01:06 |
| Melik | it generates directory listing when a index file isnt present | 01:07 |
| Melik | hmm thanks, im guna go ask in #apache | 01:07 |
| karlp | i think it's an option/directive though. i don't think it's a module. of course, i could be wrong | 01:09 |
| hggdh | if I remember correctly, it's a standard module (dir listing, that is) | 01:10 |
| karlp | okay, bye | 01:18 |
| karlp | reinstalling then class | 01:18 |
| legodude__ | how is jaunty on intel graphics? | 01:38 |
| legodude__ | and overall, is it stable? | 01:38 |
| BotLobsta | can anyone help me with my /etc/apt/preferences file? | 02:37 |
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| x1250 | BotLobsta, try the apt howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ | 02:57 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, i read that, and i thought i was doing it right, but it doesnt seem to work | 02:58 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, is this related to jaunty? | 03:02 |
| x1250 | if not, try #ubuntu | 03:02 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, well im trying to keep apt-get from upgrading to nvidia-glx-180 version 180.22 which i believe is only in the jaunty repos | 03:02 |
| BotLobsta | but ive tried there a few times too | 03:04 |
| RAOF | aptitude forbid-version will prevent aptitude from installing that version; but that _only_ works with aptitude | 03:05 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, are you in intrepid? whats your apt_preferences file? | 03:10 |
| x1250 | s/_/\// | 03:10 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, im running jaunty. and its http://pastebin.com/f722170fb | 03:12 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, I don't understand what you want to do. Thats the version available in jaunty, so why use pinning? | 03:13 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, because I dont want it to be installed. I tried it and it didnt work | 03:14 |
| x1250 | you don't want _that_ version upgraded anymore? | 03:14 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, what version are you using? | 03:15 |
| BotLobsta | x1250, I currently have 180.11-0ubuntu1 and i dont want it to install a 180.22 version of it | 03:15 |
| x1250 | BotLobsta, then you're doing it the wrong way. You have to ping down 180.11, not 180.22 | 03:16 |
| x1250 | pin not ping :P | 03:16 |
| BotLobsta | but I still want it to install a 180.25 version or something like that when the next release comes out | 03:17 |
| x1250 | and what prevents you from deleting the pin in the future? :) | 03:19 |
| BotLobsta | true | 03:19 |
| BotLobsta | but i wont necessarily see when a new version comes out | 03:19 |
| x1250 | if you wonder someday, try apt-cache policy yourpackage | 03:20 |
| x1250 | that will give you the installed and latest version available | 03:21 |
| BotLobsta | ok | 03:23 |
| BotLobsta | thanks | 03:23 |
| x1250 | uhm, launchpad is so slow these days :( | 03:36 |
| bullgard4 | x1250: If you mean by 'these days' the year 2009, then you are wrong. It has been slow in the second half of 2008 also. | 04:03 |
| x1250 | bullgard4, I didn't notice. I didn't really used launchpad untill recently :) | 04:05 |
| bullgard4 | x1250: Yes, I see. I am using it for 2 years now. -- | 04:06 |
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| moj0rising | hi. I just upgraded to kubuntu jaunty andam getting a blank white screen after KDM loads the desktop. Some googling and forum searching indicates this might be an issue with proprietary drivers but I'm not sure how I can uninstall them since there's a ton of packages for the proprietary drivers.... | 06:10 |
| moj0rising | ...anyone have any ideas on how I can fix it? I can actually use keyboard shortcuts to get the process manager up but that's about all. | 06:11 |
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| pwnguin | RAOF: is linux-nouveau modules gonna make it into the archive soon? | 06:53 |
| RAOF | pwnguin: It's waiting in NEW now. | 07:09 |
| RAOF | Or it should be. Let me check. | 07:09 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716 | 07:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 311716 in linux "The slider brightness Applet has value inverted after the last update (2.6.27-11)" [Medium,Fix committed] | 07:10 |
| DanaG | yay, gotta' love when one thing breaks another thing! | 07:10 |
| RAOF | pwnguin: Yup, there it is. Sitting in source NEW. | 07:10 |
| DanaG | (last two comments.) | 07:10 |
| RAOF | I see someone's processed the new queue recently, too. | 07:11 |
| DanaG | So, now I have no brightness control. | 07:12 |
| DanaG | "* SAUCE: don't use buggy _BCL/_BCM/_BQC for backlight control" | 07:13 |
| * DanaG returns this SAUCE to the store as defective. =þ | 07:13 | |
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| DanaG | Why do they call it "sauce", anyway? Was somebody _hungry_ when naming it? | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | DanaG: I think that means they got it from upstream? | 07:13 |
| DanaG | My backlight controls worked fine until that change. Note my comments. | 07:14 |
| DanaG | Why blacklist it entirely? That's silly. | 07:14 |
| DanaG | Instead, it should prefer vendor drivers over the 'video' module, perhaps. | 07:14 |
| DanaG | http://www.hp.com/sbso/special/computing/closeout-desktops.html | 07:21 |
| DanaG | Is it bad that, despite having what some would describe as a "horrible" experience with their support, I'd actually still consider buying their stuff? | 07:21 |
| DanaG | I take the attitude that, now that I know what to expect, I can deal with it better. | 07:21 |
| Amaranth | man i paid extra for 3 years of warranty with 1 week turnaround and had to fight with them for 4 days to get my laptop repair started then it took 3 weeks to get it back | 07:23 |
| DanaG | I learned something: the online chat people may say they're going to send a box... but in reality, you'd better call in the day after to be sure of it. | 07:24 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and because they didn't offer the webcam at my time of purchase... there's no reasonable way to add the built-in one now. | 07:24 |
| DanaG | I still do think my EliteBook is awesome. | 07:25 |
| DanaG | And if need be, I could defend myself with it... as a blunt object, I mean. I hope I never need that sort of thing, though. =þ | 07:26 |
| DanaG | Academic Purchase Program has the Windows-Free "MI" Mini-1000 netbook for $310. | 07:26 |
| DanaG | "command line interface is disabled" -- do you think they mean they disabled vt-switch? I wonder if you could just alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-backspace or something -- or just go "single" at grub. | 07:27 |
| DanaG | Another bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 | 07:31 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,New] | 07:31 |
| DanaG | And look at that nice, long stacktrace. =þ | 07:32 |
| DanaG | Note to self: don't buy non-AMT computer ever again, unless AMD adds their own Serial-over-LAN feature. =þ | 07:33 |
| pwnguin | i always feel shafted when i see python-uno has an update | 09:01 |
| robin0800 | Firefox Problem http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/104767/ | 09:31 |
| toki_ | hey guys im looking for 8.10 support | 09:32 |
| lemonade | toki_: try #ubuntu instead | 09:39 |
| Tekno | how do you restart x in jaunty? | 10:17 |
| Tekno | i dont have login manager | 10:18 |
| x1250 | Tekno, ending the session, or restarting gdm, or enabling CTRL+ALT+BCK_SPACE on xorg.conf :) | 10:18 |
| Tekno | i dont have gdm | 10:18 |
| x1250 | Section "ServerFlags" | 10:19 |
| x1250 | Option "DontZap" "False" | 10:19 |
| x1250 | EndSection | 10:19 |
| Tekno | okay thanks | 10:19 |
| x1250 | try that on xorg.conf | 10:19 |
| vega | "DontZap" "False" ... i'd vote for "Zap" "True" | 10:33 |
| nippz | zomg - help on geting sound working again in jaunty? | 10:34 |
| nippz | xubuntu / upgraded from intrepid | 10:34 |
| x1250 | vega, your vote is wrong :P | 10:43 |
| x1250 | oh, Zap, I thought you used DontZap. Does it work? | 10:44 |
| vega | ah, so there is a Zap option also? :) | 10:47 |
| x1250 | Don't know, first time I hear Zap, but haven't look that hard, so... maybe :) | 10:48 |
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| TheInfinity | !daily | 13:20 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 13:20 |
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| Volkodav | why are images oversized ? what is it that does not fit on standard CD ? | 14:13 |
| TheInfinity | Volkodav: look at size. | 14:13 |
| Volkodav | is nvidia driver fixed btw ? | 14:13 |
| Volkodav | 797 mb | 14:13 |
| TheInfinity | aand now look at the size of a standard cd-r :) | 14:15 |
| BUGabundo_work | Volkodav: during alpha and specially dailies | 14:16 |
| BUGabundo_work | devs and archive admins don't care! | 14:16 |
| BUGabundo_work | it would be too much work | 14:16 |
| BUGabundo_work | most people just test them on VM or use a dvd or a Pendrive | 14:16 |
| BUGabundo_work | like I'm doing right now | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | but there is a bug in the installer! | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | and I can't proceed! :(((( | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | Volkodav: no nv fix yet either | 14:17 |
| TheInfinity | BUGabundo_work: in daily or in alpha installer? | 14:17 |
| Pici | The 'final' alpha 3 isos won't be oversized. | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo_work | yesterday daily | 14:18 |
| Volkodav | ok | 14:18 |
| Volkodav | will wait | 14:18 |
| Volkodav | or boot from from flash | 14:18 |
| BUGabundo_work | I guess I'll have to make the disk partiions by hand | 14:18 |
| delicowa | what major featurs are we to expect from jaunting jackalope | 15:12 |
| fosco_ | delicowa: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2 | 15:13 |
| charlie-tca | and let us not forget ext4 formatting | 15:14 |
| delicowa | wow!!! come to think of it | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | fosco_: charlie-tca I just filed a bug about the installer | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | its failing to set partitions manually | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo_work | and without it you won't be able to choose ext4 | 15:20 |
| fosco_ | i saw that on alpha2 | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | bug 317124 | 15:20 |
| delicowa | if ubuntu uses animal names for naming releases every six months. what happens when they run out of names | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/317124/+text) | 15:20 |
| delicowa | if ubuntu uses animal names for naming releases every six months. what happens when they run out of names? | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | cjwatson said he would port the patch for the installer | 15:20 |
| * BUGabundo_work slaps ubottu | 15:20 | |
| fosco_ | delicowa: well, more than 10 years for that to happen :) | 15:20 |
| Kuaera | I have a question; what are the plans for the KDE PIM suite [kontact]? I notice a lot of changes, and it seems to be getting more solid, but I'm not certain if they're willing to hear bugreports regarding it. | 15:21 |
| delicowa | i have a launchpad account how do i join the testing team | 15:21 |
| delicowa | and what version of gnome and kde should we expect | 15:21 |
| Kuaera | KDE 4.2 with Qt4.5, IIRC | 15:22 |
| delicowa | ***sorry i already found that out | 15:22 |
| Skiessi | !info mysql-common | 15:46 |
| ubottu | mysql-common (source: mysql-dfsg-5.0): MySQL database common files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 60 kB, installed size 148 kB | 15:46 |
| Skiessi | some program didn't like 5.1.30? | 15:46 |
| emorris | anyone seen problems with the arrow keys not working on the boot screen of the desktop cd? | 16:00 |
| === repete1 is now known as repete | ||
| tretle | Hi, I was wondering whether its currently safe to upgrade to 9.04, I tried a few days ago but after the upgrade nm disappeared from the panel and I had no networking? | 16:26 |
| fosco__ | tretle, not safe, only for testing | 16:27 |
| tretle | are their alot of packages being held back? and could I have had this issue from upgrading straight from an 8.10 fresh install to 9.04 withought first installing the 204 updates for 8.10? | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | tretle: perfectly possible, since it is always advised to fully update before upgrading | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo_work | tretle: the proper way to dist-upgrade is using update-manager -d | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo_work | but you will lose 3D | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo_work | kdelibs is also broken due to new snapshot of kde 4.2 RC1 | 16:29 |
| tretle | fosco_ I usually use ubuntu dev alpha 2's onwords, I keep everything important on an external disk so I do a lot of reinstalling. I dont mind usually but the bug I have recently encountered is a show stopper one. I dont mind a buggy system as long as I have networking to troublshoot and fix the problems | 16:29 |
| tretle | bugabundo_work I always use update-manager -d, but when it gets to 99% installing xulrunner fails and it continues for a bit and then kills the installation before it goes onto the clean up system stage | 16:30 |
| BUGabundo_work | talk to asac or fta on #ubuntu-mozillateam | 16:31 |
| mvo_ | tretle: does it kill itself? or do you see a message box? | 16:31 |
| mvo_ | tretle: saying that the upgrade failed etc | 16:31 |
| tretle | bugabundo_work, My gfx cards been broken for the last 8months so I have been using metacity-compositing with the vesa graphics driver :) | 16:31 |
| tretle | mvo_ it says the upgrade failed | 16:32 |
| mvo_ | tretle: the bug itself got fixed today | 16:32 |
| mvo_ | tretle: ok, thanks | 16:32 |
| tretle | niiiiice :D | 16:32 |
| mvo_ | :) | 16:32 |
| mvo_ | hugs asac | 16:32 |
| tretle | I was wondering whether the bug on gnome-keyring blogged on planet.ubuntu could have been it | 16:32 |
| * BUGabundo_work waits for cjwatson to fix the installer so I can get ext4 | 16:32 | |
| tretle | anyone have any idea what the current state of metacity compositing on jaunty is, I saw on cimi's italian blog a post which I think was referring to a new feature regarding window transparency and fading transitions in svn but I cant speak italian so cant be sure :D | 16:34 |
| tretle | bugabundo_work have you seen the ext3 -> ext4 performance comparison yet | 16:35 |
| tretle | ? | 16:35 |
| BUGabundo_work | no | 16:35 |
| === mvo_ is now known as mvo | ||
| BUGabundo_work | just read about it on kernel ML | 16:36 |
| tretle | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_ext4&num=1 | 16:37 |
| tretle | its an interesting result | 16:37 |
| tretle | by the way is the new gnome-volume-manager supposed to show more than one mixer for the output tab? | 16:47 |
| tretle | I have a 7.1 system yet before it only showed one mixer | 16:47 |
| tretle | about a week ago | 16:47 |
| x1250 | tretle, try gnome-alsamixer | 16:48 |
| tretle | ah, yeah well isnt gnome-volume-manager using pulseaudio as default now nor not? | 16:49 |
| tretle | nor - or | 16:49 |
| x1250 | tretle, you mean gnome-volume-control? | 16:51 |
| tretle | ah, whoops.... yes | 16:51 |
| x1250 | yes it is, but pulseaudio uses alsa, so... | 16:51 |
| tretle | shouldnt pulse audio replace alsa? | 16:51 |
| x1250 | no, pulseaudio is a wrapper | 16:52 |
| tretle | and how should you be able to control the mixer for each speaker in the gnome-volume-control applet? If i right click and choose preferences it shows all of the speakers an inputs but in the gnome-volume control there is the one mixer for output | 16:55 |
| x1250 | tretle, do it with gnome-alsamixer, or alsamixer -c 0 | 16:57 |
| tretle | Is it currently available but unusable due to a bug with the new volume-control or is there an update planned to support multiple input/outputs in a future update, using alsamixer is a bit of a regression if you ask me | 17:00 |
| x1250 | tretle, you can do it with pulseaudio volume control, but its a pain in the *ss. Go to the preferences window. | 17:01 |
| tretle | x120 - so u dont know whether you should be able to do it with gnome-volume-control? | 17:05 |
| tretle | even before the final build | 17:05 |
| x1250 | how could i know? AFAIK, it depends on the fedora guys. | 17:06 |
| tretle | I can see allot of people getting annoyed that they can no longer set the volume for all of their outputs in the replacement gnome-volume-control | 17:06 |
| x1250 | tretle, I totally sympathize with that, the old volume control was way better. But well, things are just the way they are :( | 17:08 |
| tretle | oh, sorry.... I came onto irc a few days ago and someone told me that the new gnome-volume-control was originally working with multiple outputs but that their was a bug | 17:08 |
| x1250 | tretle, as I said, you can do it, but in a very stupid way, go to the preferences window and select other option to control | 17:11 |
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| tretle | looks like the gnome-keyring definately was the bug holding me back from upgrading, now i plan to reinstall once more when alpha 3 is released for ext4 support | 18:28 |
| Lukian | Using the 2.6.28 kernel, I receive the message "Unable to read/access /etc/udev/rules.d" at kernel boot with a repeating pcspeaker beep. 2.6.27 works fine | 18:31 |
| ethana2 | does Jaunty use initrd-less boot with fallback from installed instances of the OS? | 18:41 |
| uffo | currently like i understand that EXT4 can be used only with manual mode installation in Kubuntu 9.04 final??? | 18:50 |
| uffo | news said that ext4 wont be in by default does that mean that | 18:50 |
| fosco__ | uffo, automated installations will use ext3 | 18:51 |
| uffo | fosco__: and with manual i can use ext4 right? | 18:51 |
| uffo | fosco__: in final version | 18:51 |
| fosco__ | it is supposed to be present in tomorrow's alpha3 | 18:52 |
| uffo | fosco__: i tried to install todays live cd kubuntu and ext4 choise was in but when i selected it and after i pressed next it still was ext3, does alpha3 tomorrow will fix that | 18:53 |
| fosco__ | hope so | 18:56 |
| uffo | fosco__: thanks i feel myself better now that ext4 can be used manually, btw i never use guided install anyway. | 18:59 |
| l337ingDisorder | anyone here have experience with remote X? | 19:10 |
| l337ingDisorder | I made changes to gdm.conf (on a fresh Ubuntu 8.04 installation) to set DisallowTCP=False and [xdmcp] Enable=True and I was able to connect remotely last night. I ran the Update Manager overnight, it finished, I clicked the "Restart now" button, and now I can't connect remotely - it just shows a black screen with the X cursor | 19:11 |
| nacho | Hi | 19:46 |
| nacho | do you guys knows how to add the -ignoreABI option to the xserver, as now with latest xorg I can't run nvidia without that option | 19:47 |
| Pici | nacho: In xorg.conf, I think all you need to do is add Option IgnoreABI "True" to your device section. | 19:48 |
| nacho | Pici, ok thanks | 19:48 |
| nacho | Pici, and do you have any solution for gnome-settings-daemon that seems to be crashing all time? | 19:49 |
| nacho | if not, I'll wait it is not something critical to me | 19:50 |
| Pici | nacho: Not off the top of my head | 19:51 |
| nacho | Pici, thanks anyway I am going to restart the X server now | 19:51 |
| nacho | bye | 19:51 |
| emorris | anyone else had any problems where the arrow keys don't work? running 9.04 in VMWare, not sure if this is a guest or host issue | 19:55 |
| emorris | hang on a minute, this was the same thing i had in hardy. half of them don't work and the other half do odd things (like up is prntscrn) | 19:57 |
| emorris | s/hardy/intrepid/ | 19:57 |
| iamarockstar | is alpha 3 out? | 20:01 |
| Pici | No. | 20:01 |
| BUGabundo1 | no | 20:01 |
| BUGabundo1 | should be tomorrow night | 20:02 |
| BUGabundo1 | late as usual | 20:02 |
| iamarockstar | hmm ok by the way anything new expected in it? | 20:02 |
| BUGabundo1 | some fixes in the installer | 20:03 |
| BUGabundo1 | and new kde 4.2 rc1 snapshot | 20:03 |
| BUGabundo1 | and the size should allow it to fit in a CD | 20:04 |
| BUGabundo1 | not that I care! | 20:04 |
| BUGabundo1 | I just put it on a 8GiBs pendrive | 20:04 |
| iamarockstar | ok thx | 20:05 |
| Alexia_Death | after recent updates mysqld does not start any more | 20:13 |
| Alexia_Death | nd log says: operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=5574 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" | 20:13 |
| Alexia_Death | any clues? | 20:13 |
| iamarockstar | i am not sure but i think it will get fixed in alpha 3 | 20:15 |
| iamarockstar | tommorow releasing | 20:15 |
| Alexia_Death | so it should be in the next set of updated... | 20:18 |
| * Alexia_Death is permanently running alpha:P | 20:18 | |
| nacho | Hi again | 20:23 |
| nacho | now I have everything working except the sound, seems that there is a new sound control, do you guys had problems with the sound? | 20:24 |
| nacho | with this new sound control system I can't configurate all things I had in the previous one | 20:25 |
| Alexia_Death | nacho: yes | 20:26 |
| Alexia_Death | everybody do | 20:26 |
| Alexia_Death | thers a problem with alsa. | 20:26 |
| nacho | ah! ok great | 20:26 |
| Alexia_Death | searrch the launchpad, but basically your sound starts muted. | 20:26 |
| Alexia_Death | do alsamixer -Dhw | 20:27 |
| Alexia_Death | unmute and volume up all | 20:27 |
| Alexia_Death | to fix it muting at startup you need to link /etc/init.d/alsa-utils to rc.2 | 20:27 |
| Alexia_Death | theres a boug about that | 20:27 |
| nacho | oh! great, thanks | 20:27 |
| nacho | Alexia_Death, I have sound now | 20:28 |
| nacho | thanks a lot | 20:28 |
| Alexia_Death | Welcome ;) | 20:28 |
| nacho | Alexia_Death, another thing that I realized is that when gnome-power-manager lows the brithness, the system gets hang a bit | 20:29 |
| nacho | known issue? | 20:29 |
| Alexia_Death | dont know anything about that | 20:30 |
| Alexia_Death | But you know anything about mysql not starting= | 20:30 |
| Alexia_Death | ? | 20:30 |
| nacho | mmm, I didn't see the mysql yet | 20:31 |
| nacho | Alexia_Death, phpmyadmin seems to work fine here | 20:32 |
| x1250 | mysql can't be installed in here, dpkg dies :/ | 20:34 |
| hggdh | Alexia_Death, are you running mysql 5.1? | 20:40 |
| Alexia_Death | hggdh: arent running it... | 20:40 |
| Alexia_Death | but yes, its 5.1 | 20:40 |
| Alexia_Death | it sjust broke now. | 20:40 |
| hggdh | the problem there is a bad parameter in /etc/mysql/my.cnf | 20:40 |
| Alexia_Death | IT seems that trying to remove it removes amarok too... | 20:40 |
| Alexia_Death | witch one? | 20:41 |
| hggdh | all you need to do to bypass it is comment out skip-bdb in my.cnf | 20:41 |
| hggdh | this was a valid parameter up to 5.0x, not anymore | 20:43 |
| hggdh | and it is a bug in LP... bug 316849 | 20:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 316849 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "mysql-server-5.1 doesn't start - skip-bdb option unsupported" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316849 | 20:44 |
| Alexia_Death | hggdh: thanks. figured it would be | 20:46 |
| Alexia_Death | My X just died unexplicably but that worked. | 20:46 |
| hggdh | BTW -- the "inode_permission..." thingy... on the update, it seems the apparmour profile for MySQL got deleted, and apparmour has not been restarted | 20:47 |
| hggdh | if you reboot, or 'sudo invoke-rc.d apparmor restart', these messages will stop | 20:49 |
| Alexia_Death | thanks:) | 20:50 |
| ethana2 | The OS doesn't store any vital hardware configuration data in ~/, right? | 21:21 |
| ethana2 | ..hope not. | 21:21 |
| RAOF | The OS doesn't really store vital hardware information _anywhere_ | 21:21 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: well, there are the udev rules | 21:38 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: wipe those out and try to boot all the way to a desktop :) | 21:38 |
| RAOF | But that's not really hardware information. That's a way of mapping whatever hardware is there to well-known names. | 21:39 |
| RAOF | Perhaps what I meant was: there's no hardware-specific configuration pretty much anywhere. | 21:39 |
| Alexia_Death | RAOF: Hal has | 21:45 |
| Alexia_Death | RAOF: thats the point of hal-info | 21:45 |
| RAOF | Alexia_Death: Again, not really specific to _your_ hardware. | 21:45 |
| RAOF | What I mean is: take the hard drive out, plug it into an different machine. Barring possibly xorg.conf, everything should work. | 21:46 |
| hggdh | Alexia_Death, if you mean like Windows (where you can only really boot on the installed machine), then no hardware-specific data is saved either under ~/ or / itself | 22:03 |
| Alexia_Death | or anywhwere on the system :P | 22:03 |
| hggdh | of course, your X install may be unhappy if you change to a different card | 22:04 |
| hggdh | etc, but linux will still boot | 22:04 |
| hggdh | hum | 22:04 |
| hggdh | what about uuid? | 22:04 |
| hggdh | grub now uses to point to an uuid-mapped disk | 22:05 |
| RAOF | Won't change, right? That's a property of the partition, not the system. | 22:05 |
| hggdh | darnit, of course :-( | 22:05 |
| RAOF | hggdh: X won't be unhappy if you don't have an xorg.conf :) | 22:05 |
| hggdh | well, there is that. But I, for one, am forced to use a xorg.conf, or I get the wrong card configured | 22:06 |
| JanC | hggdh: Xorg in Ubuntu should use a "safe config" if the hard-configured X graphics driver in Xorg.conf doesn't work | 22:06 |
| hggdh | JanC, it does. It is just terrible, and I would still want my 1900x1200 | 22:07 |
| x1250 | could someone please review this mysql-server installation? is broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/104986/ | 22:07 |
| JanC | the "safe default" allows you to get to your 1900x1200 ツ | 22:08 |
| hggdh | x1250, which mysql do you have installed? | 22:08 |
| hggdh | with 5.1 and 5.0 available, things can get confused | 22:08 |
| hggdh | JanC, not in my case. I am restricted to 1600xwhatever | 22:08 |
| hggdh | and, actually, it is time to test again... | 22:09 |
| hggdh | hopefully I can get out of radeonhd and back into fglrx | 22:09 |
| JanC | you can use the "safe default" to change to another driver (without having to know the commandline etc.) | 22:09 |
| x1250 | hggdh, I'm not upgrading, I had no mysql-server installed before that | 22:09 |
| hggdh | JanC, indeed. And this is what I usually do on every test | 22:10 |
| hggdh | x1250, --> Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0. | 22:11 |
| hggdh | run a dpkg -l mysql\* | grep ii | 22:11 |
| x1250 | hggdh, you're right, there is some hand work to do. | 22:16 |
| rbrunhuber | Can anyone confirm that linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic does not boot into encrypted lvm? | 22:34 |
| * RAOF is running that setup right now. | 22:35 | |
| RAOF | Although it's true that I have to manually run cryptsetup from the busybox prompt, first ;) | 22:35 |
| rbrunhuber | RAOF: So you are confirming this more or less indirect ;-) | 22:36 |
| RAOF | Well, no. It's not the kernel, its the initramfs | 22:36 |
| rbrunhuber | Maybe, did not investigate this further. Just saw that booting the -4 kernel does not bring up the system while -3 does. | 22:37 |
| rbrunhuber | RAOF: see above | 22:38 |
| RAOF | rbrunhuber: That's because the -3 kernel probably hasn't had its initramfs updated. | 22:39 |
| rbrunhuber | RAOF: I'll try to contact the devs directly, I do not want to write a bug report and wait while it gets attention while others are pushed over the cliff. | 22:41 |
| RAOF | Writing a bug report _is_ the correct way of contacting the devs directly! | 22:42 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716 --- yay for breaking ACPI video backlight control! | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 311716 in linux "The slider brightness Applet has value inverted after the last update (2.6.27-11)" [Medium,Fix committed] | 22:54 |
| tretle | hi, I as wondering whether the new gdm is supposed to be in jaunty or not | 22:58 |
| tretle | according to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gdm-upgrade its already in but according to synaptic its not | 22:59 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 | 23:02 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,New] | 23:02 |
| astromme-laptop | Anyone else having plasma crashes (4.2RC, 4.1.96) on amd64? | 23:06 |
| david__ | how do i get proprietary drivers for an AYI graphics card? | 23:18 |
| david__ | ATI | 23:19 |
| RAOF | You don't, not for Jaunty. | 23:20 |
| RAOF | There isn't a version of fglrx that supports our X server. | 23:20 |
| david__ | ah so no graphics card usage | 23:21 |
| RAOF | Well, you can almost certainly use one of the open-source dirvers. | 23:21 |
| RAOF | What card? | 23:21 |
| david__ | ATI radeon 1650 pro | 23:22 |
| RAOF | That should have full support, including 3d, with the "ati" driver. | 23:22 |
| RAOF | IIRC. | 23:22 |
| JanC | well, "full" as in some 3D support at least | 23:23 |
| david__ | how do i get the driver? | 23:23 |
| JanC | thye 'ati' driver is included | 23:23 |
| JanC | the* | 23:24 |
| RAOF | It's the driver you'll be using when you haven't deliberately set a different driver. | 23:24 |
| david__ | so when i booted jaunty onto my hard drive it was installed? | 23:24 |
| RAOF | Yes | 23:25 |
| david__ | cool thnks | 23:25 |
| RAOF | You're _probably_ using it now, unless you've done some fiddling. | 23:25 |
| david__ | other thav a few crashes jaunty seems like it will be a great distro! | 23:26 |
| DanaG | Ugh, stupid broken backlight control. | 23:37 |
| DanaG | Oh, and every time I boot, I find my hda-intel card's PCM muted. | 23:38 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716 | 23:39 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 311716 in linux "The slider brightness Applet has value inverted after the last update (2.6.27-11)" [Medium,Fix committed] | 23:39 |
| DanaG | I sure hope it doesn't get released with that "fix" that actually BREAKS things. | 23:39 |
| david__ | i look at it this way even a broken linux is better than microsoft! | 23:49 |
| * DanaG would disagree with that. | 23:51 | |
| david__ | well i guess if you have allot of money to give away to buy a license you really dont own then yes | 23:53 |
| DanaG | Good point. | 23:57 |
| david__ | long time windows user but times are tight and linux is looking very good to me! | 23:58 |
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