[00:13] having major issues with nvidia + jaunty + X [00:14] You need Option "IgnoreABI" "True" in the ServerFlags section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf. [00:14] okay i'll try that [00:16] why does mysql start up at boot now? [00:17] is it for akonadi or whatever? [00:17] i don't even use akonadi [00:21] karlp, mysql behaviour has not changed. [00:21] Try aptitude search '~Dmysql-server~i' to see what packages are installed that depend on mysql-server. [00:23] actually my nvidia problem is much deeper than an xorg fix [00:23] er, configuration fix [00:23] if i try to install nvidia-glx-177, i have to uninstall all of x? [00:23] wtf? who packages this stuff [00:23] If your hardware is new enough for the 180 drivers, try nvidia-glx-180 instead. [00:23] i tried that as well [00:24] i've got a 8300 gs [00:24] i don't think that's all that new (late 2007) [00:24] The 177 drivers haven’t been rebuilt against the new xorg. 180 has. [00:25] So what happens with nvidia-glx-180? [00:25] same [00:25] i don't understand why ubuntu is so complicated [00:25] It still tries to uninstall Xorg? That should not be happening with 180. [00:25] it does [00:26] karlp, it seems complicated because yo haven't do your homework. Try reading a bit. [00:26] i'm actually afraid to update at this point because the only thing that's sure to work is not updating [00:26] x1250: hahaha, isn't the stated goal of ubuntu to be easy, user-friendly etc.? [00:26] (The reason it happens with 177 is that nvidia-glx-177 provides xserver-xorg-video-4, and xserver-xorg-core depends xserver-xorg-video-5 and conflicts xserver-xorg-video-4.) [00:26] yeah [00:27] You cannot expect a development release (Jaunty) to be as easy to use as a stable release (Intrepid). [00:27] that wasn't easy either [00:27] i always have to fight with ubuntu to get it to work [00:27] i've been using ubuntu since 5.10 [00:28] been using gentoo since 2004 and even then, it had problems, but i've never had to diagnose anything for longer than 2 hours [00:28] ubuntu... i've deployed on several school labs back in high school and it was a huge mistake. huge uphill battle [00:28] i stuck with it because i figured it has the largest software repositories, but i'm wrong about that too [00:28] opera 9.5 is _still_ not in canonical repositories [00:29] and will not be [00:29] i'll give it a go for another hour at most, but after that, i'm wiping ubuntu and putting arch on it [00:29] but they provide builds for ubuntu [00:29] no ngspice for ubuntu either [00:29] hggdh: yeah, but that's not very user friendly [00:29] the problem is the Opera licence [00:29] In particular, the nvidia-glx-177 drivers will not work (properly) with the version of Xorg in Jaunty. It just won't load. [00:30] hggdh: did it change between 9.2x and 9.5x? [00:30] hggdh: if it did, that's understandable that debian and ubuntu want to stay pure. but if not, then it's laziness [00:31] karlp, if the source is provided, please feel free to contribute a build of Opera to Ubuntu [00:31] hggdh: source? opera's proprietary [00:32] thank you. There you go [00:32] how can we, then, provide it? [00:32] use the deb they have [00:32] * hggdh is running opera 9.63, BTW [00:33] yes. This is what *I* do. But Ubuntu cannot provide a package this way, expect -- perhaps -- in multiverse, [00:33] s/expect/except/ [00:33] yeah, i'm talking about the canonical repository [00:34] ah, well there's an update, so if this works, great. if not, goodbye [00:35] karlp, please propose it (I do not know the channel, though). I do remember, dimly, a discussion about opera some time (years?) ago. [00:35] You mean, the partner repository? AFAIK, it's up to Opera to update their stuff in there. [00:35] thanks, RAOF [00:36] so what allows gentoo or arch from incorporating the latest opera into their repositories? [00:37] s/from incorporating/to incorporate/ [00:37] I do not know. Perhaps they provide a wrapper to the Opera binaries [00:37] but, on Gentoo, this would be strange... [00:37] how would that bypass legal issues? [00:37] It wouldn't. [00:37] it does not. [00:37] and what legal issues anyway? [00:37] i've just heard you vaguely claim they exist [00:38] never heard that before [00:38] You'd be surprised how much software people illegally redistribute ;) [00:38] Anyway, I can't seem to find a license _at all_ on the Opera site. [00:38] what's illegal about it? the branding? [00:38] if a piece of software is proprietary, then the owner may impose restrictions to (re) distribution [00:38] what about ngspice? [00:38] and usually they *do* [00:38] that's free. don't see why that's not in ubuntu yet [00:38] free as in cost and free as in freedom [00:38] * hggdh does not even know what is ngspice [00:39] circuit simulation tool [00:39] in this case, all that is needed is someone to package it [00:39] it's already packaged [00:39] karlp: Well, in the absence of an explicit license, they hold the copyright, and _any_ copy infringes it. [00:39] i don't know what is holding it up [00:39] do you have a link? [00:40] hggdh: if you search launchpad's bug thing for ngspice it says needs packaging and that it's "fixed" [00:40] which is bullshit because i can't get ngspice on jaunty [00:40] oh, that's the other thing i absolutely hate about ubuntu. what happened to upstart and all that frenzy that edgy / feisty were supposed to generate? [00:41] instead, we're all stuck with that heinously useless update-rc.d and its ilk [00:41] networkmanager has never worked for me, but that's not an ubuntu specific complaint... never had it work on four or more separate machines running arch, gentoo, ubuntu, etc. [00:42] karlp, are you talking about bug 2465-6? [00:42] Launchpad bug 2465 in rosetta "Timeouts when translating to Dutch" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2465 [00:42] dammit [00:42] bug 246506 [00:42] Launchpad bug 246506 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ngspice" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246506 [00:42] hggdh: not the first one, but yes, the second one [00:42] it is still open [00:43] i don't have x to view it in a proper browser, but i seem to remember it said fixed [00:43] there were two entries it looked strange [00:43] like blah blah --- confirmed fixed [00:43] and blah blah -- wishlist confirmed [00:43] or something like that [00:43] Fix committed, in Debian. [00:43] ... so that doesn't instantenously trickle down to ubuntu? [00:44] no, it does not [00:44] i thought debian was ubuntu's parent project [00:44] The team working on it have something, but are waiting for upstream changes before they actually upload it to Debian. [00:44] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489768 [00:44] what upstream changes? arch and gentoo both have r18 nicely packaged [00:44] Debian bug 489768 in wnpp "ITP: ngspice -- A Spice circuit simulator" [Wishlist,Open] [00:44] no, Ubuntu is based on Debian, but Debian is not Ubuntu's parent [00:44] i'm pretty sure debian's bug website is nicer on elinks so i'll check it out [00:44] Licensing changes. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [00:45] i mean parent as in for software sharing [00:45] Can only be done upstream, and Debian is substantially more strict than gentoo or arch, I think. [00:45] okay, updated. about to see if X works, if not. i'm wiping this shit off [00:45] sigh [00:46] Eh. Whatever works for him. [00:46] karlp, perhaps you would be better off with another distribution. You seem to be full of complaints, and no real help [00:49] okay, goodbye [00:49] had enough of this [00:50] the latest update starts my X up and freezes control to my usb keyboard and usb mouse [00:50] nvidia-glx-180 and everything [00:51] oh, while i'm at it, another parting gift [00:52] all the spice user interfaces that ubuntu packages come with no simulator [00:52] so you get a fancy gui (that looks like crap imo) that can't do anything [00:52] you can take screenshots of your schematics and maybe export to eps but that's about it [00:53] gnucap is also a pathetic excuse for circuit simulation software and is pretty incompatible with spice even though they claim they are compatible [00:53] i guess for being critical i should say something nice too [00:53] ubuntu has a solid artwork department [00:53] wherever you get those people from... keep doing more of that [00:54] hey, hardware support in the latest ubuntu kernel has gotten better too [00:54] my usb stick is recognized [00:55] but, that's very little consolation when X doesn't work, and i have to constantly rmmod forcedeth && modprobe forcedeth && /etc/init.d/networking restart on boot because of some stupid issue that i can't figure out (but didn't exist in intrepid, hardy, etc.) [00:57] karlp, you are running an alpha version of Ubuntu. You should know that this can break and break bad. [00:57] I run it, but I know what to expect, and have indeed recovered from nasty situations [00:58] hggdh: i do know that. but that's not even the issue. software that i require to a greater extent is increasingly more difficult to find and setup on ubuntu and is much easier on arch [00:58] hggdh: i've seriously tried for at least 3+ years (close to 4 now) to convince myself that i like ubuntu [00:58] hggdh: i just absolutely hate the way most of the system is handled. booting always takes much longer than any other distribution i've used [00:59] well, then, I guess you should either help improve it, or move to arch [00:59] hggdh: i hate the way the runlevels work. i hate the way building stuff from source is complicated (much more so than on arch with it's abs + pkgbuild) [00:59] hggdh: exactly, and i don't have the time to do the former [00:59] on the other hand, I tried a LOT of dists, since 1995, before stopping at Ubuntu [01:00] that's really strange. i've never recommended ubuntu to anyone who wasn't just starting to play around with linux distributions [01:00] in other words, if i knew the person had some experience, i'd point them to something that i knew would fit them better [01:00] that begs the question... why am i still on it [01:00] insteresting the source build issue. I find it simple (but -- probably -- I have been doing it for a while, so it is already ingrained) [01:01] and the answer is that i (falsely) assumed when i started with ubuntu that it had the most software packages available [01:01] eh, it's much easier in arch [01:01] i rather not use gentoo because building from source takes forever [01:01] but i'm stuck with it on my desktop back home [01:01] i would have had the same situation with ubuntu on this system, but i'm going to suck it up and fix it before it gets on my nerves [01:02] i have too many things on my gentoo desktop to bother installing anything else on it, so it remains :( [01:02] heh [01:04] i think it's a common thread with me and open source software [01:04] i start out intensely liking something and end up really hating it [01:04] like firefox [01:04] started out before the 1.0 series [01:04] loved it, but then it was filled with bloat by 1.5 [01:05] now hardware is cheaper, better, etc. so it's not as noticeable, but 3.0 is still not nearly as fast as i remember the 0.x series [01:05] I know... I keep jumping between ffox, opera, Empathy, and Konqueror [01:05] and what's strange is i started out intensely hating arch [01:05] hey guys ugh anyone know what this apache2 module is called? >> http://dev.gentoo.org/~omp/ [01:06] but it's gotten so much better from 2004-2006 that i'm finding myself replacing everything (except my openbsd boxes) with it [01:06] Melik, I do not [01:06] directory listing? [01:06] yeah [01:06] i know that's a module in lighttpd. been awhile since i've used apache [01:07] it generates directory listing when a index file isnt present [01:07] hmm thanks, im guna go ask in #apache [01:09] i think it's an option/directive though. i don't think it's a module. of course, i could be wrong [01:10] if I remember correctly, it's a standard module (dir listing, that is) [01:18] okay, bye [01:18] reinstalling then class [01:38] how is jaunty on intel graphics? [01:38] and overall, is it stable? [02:37] can anyone help me with my /etc/apt/preferences file? === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [02:57] BotLobsta, try the apt howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ [02:58] x1250, i read that, and i thought i was doing it right, but it doesnt seem to work [03:02] BotLobsta, is this related to jaunty? [03:02] if not, try #ubuntu [03:02] x1250, well im trying to keep apt-get from upgrading to nvidia-glx-180 version 180.22 which i believe is only in the jaunty repos [03:04] but ive tried there a few times too [03:05] aptitude forbid-version will prevent aptitude from installing that version; but that _only_ works with aptitude [03:10] BotLobsta, are you in intrepid? whats your apt_preferences file? [03:10] s/_/\// [03:12] x1250, im running jaunty. and its http://pastebin.com/f722170fb [03:13] BotLobsta, I don't understand what you want to do. Thats the version available in jaunty, so why use pinning? [03:14] x1250, because I dont want it to be installed. I tried it and it didnt work [03:14] you don't want _that_ version upgraded anymore? [03:15] BotLobsta, what version are you using? [03:15] x1250, I currently have 180.11-0ubuntu1 and i dont want it to install a 180.22 version of it [03:16] BotLobsta, then you're doing it the wrong way. You have to ping down 180.11, not 180.22 [03:16] pin not ping :P [03:17] but I still want it to install a 180.25 version or something like that when the next release comes out [03:19] and what prevents you from deleting the pin in the future? :) [03:19] true [03:19] but i wont necessarily see when a new version comes out [03:20] if you wonder someday, try apt-cache policy yourpackage [03:21] that will give you the installed and latest version available [03:23] ok [03:23] thanks [03:36] uhm, launchpad is so slow these days :( [04:03] x1250: If you mean by 'these days' the year 2009, then you are wrong. It has been slow in the second half of 2008 also. [04:05] bullgard4, I didn't notice. I didn't really used launchpad untill recently :) [04:06] x1250: Yes, I see. I am using it for 2 years now. -- === dmb_ is now known as _dmb === _dmb is now known as libdmb [06:10] hi. I just upgraded to kubuntu jaunty andam getting a blank white screen after KDM loads the desktop. Some googling and forum searching indicates this might be an issue with proprietary drivers but I'm not sure how I can uninstall them since there's a ton of packages for the proprietary drivers.... [06:11] ...anyone have any ideas on how I can fix it? I can actually use keyboard shortcuts to get the process manager up but that's about all. === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [06:53] RAOF: is linux-nouveau modules gonna make it into the archive soon? [07:09] pwnguin: It's waiting in NEW now. [07:09] Or it should be. Let me check. [07:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716 [07:10] Ubuntu bug 311716 in linux "The slider brightness Applet has value inverted after the last update (2.6.27-11)" [Medium,Fix committed] [07:10] yay, gotta' love when one thing breaks another thing! [07:10] pwnguin: Yup, there it is. Sitting in source NEW. [07:10] (last two comments.) [07:11] I see someone's processed the new queue recently, too. [07:12] So, now I have no brightness control. [07:13] "* SAUCE: don't use buggy _BCL/_BCM/_BQC for backlight control" [07:13] * DanaG returns this SAUCE to the store as defective. =þ === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [07:13] Why do they call it "sauce", anyway? Was somebody _hungry_ when naming it? [07:13] DanaG: I think that means they got it from upstream? [07:14] My backlight controls worked fine until that change. Note my comments. [07:14] Why blacklist it entirely? That's silly. [07:14] Instead, it should prefer vendor drivers over the 'video' module, perhaps. [07:21] http://www.hp.com/sbso/special/computing/closeout-desktops.html [07:21] Is it bad that, despite having what some would describe as a "horrible" experience with their support, I'd actually still consider buying their stuff? [07:21] I take the attitude that, now that I know what to expect, I can deal with it better. [07:23] man i paid extra for 3 years of warranty with 1 week turnaround and had to fight with them for 4 days to get my laptop repair started then it took 3 weeks to get it back [07:24] I learned something: the online chat people may say they're going to send a box... but in reality, you'd better call in the day after to be sure of it. [07:24] Oh yeah, and because they didn't offer the webcam at my time of purchase... there's no reasonable way to add the built-in one now. [07:25] I still do think my EliteBook is awesome. [07:26] And if need be, I could defend myself with it... as a blunt object, I mean. I hope I never need that sort of thing, though. =þ [07:26] Academic Purchase Program has the Windows-Free "MI" Mini-1000 netbook for $310. [07:27] "command line interface is disabled" -- do you think they mean they disabled vt-switch? I wonder if you could just alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-backspace or something -- or just go "single" at grub. [07:31] Another bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [07:31] Ubuntu bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,New] [07:32] And look at that nice, long stacktrace. =þ [07:33] Note to self: don't buy non-AMT computer ever again, unless AMD adds their own Serial-over-LAN feature. =þ [09:01] i always feel shafted when i see python-uno has an update [09:31] Firefox Problem http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/104767/ [09:32] hey guys im looking for 8.10 support [09:39] toki_: try #ubuntu instead [10:17] how do you restart x in jaunty? [10:18] i dont have login manager [10:18] Tekno, ending the session, or restarting gdm, or enabling CTRL+ALT+BCK_SPACE on xorg.conf :) [10:18] i dont have gdm [10:19] Section "ServerFlags" [10:19] Option "DontZap" "False" [10:19] EndSection [10:19] okay thanks [10:19] try that on xorg.conf [10:33] "DontZap" "False" ... i'd vote for "Zap" "True" [10:34] zomg - help on geting sound working again in jaunty? [10:34] xubuntu / upgraded from intrepid [10:43] vega, your vote is wrong :P [10:44] oh, Zap, I thought you used DontZap. Does it work? [10:47] ah, so there is a Zap option also? :) [10:48] Don't know, first time I hear Zap, but haven't look that hard, so... maybe :) === les_ is now known as les === corge is now known as fdd [13:20] !daily [13:20] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [14:13] why are images oversized ? what is it that does not fit on standard CD ? [14:13] Volkodav: look at size. [14:13] is nvidia driver fixed btw ? [14:13] 797 mb [14:15] aand now look at the size of a standard cd-r :) [14:16] Volkodav: during alpha and specially dailies [14:16] devs and archive admins don't care! [14:16] it would be too much work [14:16] most people just test them on VM or use a dvd or a Pendrive [14:17] like I'm doing right now [14:17] but there is a bug in the installer! [14:17] and I can't proceed! :(((( [14:17] Volkodav: no nv fix yet either [14:17] BUGabundo_work: in daily or in alpha installer? [14:17] The 'final' alpha 3 isos won't be oversized. [14:18] yesterday daily [14:18] ok [14:18] will wait [14:18] or boot from from flash [14:18] I guess I'll have to make the disk partiions by hand [15:12] what major featurs are we to expect from jaunting jackalope [15:13] delicowa: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2 [15:14] and let us not forget ext4 formatting [15:19] wow!!! come to think of it [15:19] fosco_: charlie-tca I just filed a bug about the installer [15:19] its failing to set partitions manually [15:20] and without it you won't be able to choose ext4 [15:20] i saw that on alpha2 [15:20] bug 317124 [15:20] if ubuntu uses animal names for naming releases every six months. what happens when they run out of names [15:20] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/317124/+text) [15:20] if ubuntu uses animal names for naming releases every six months. what happens when they run out of names? [15:20] cjwatson said he would port the patch for the installer [15:20] * BUGabundo_work slaps ubottu [15:20] delicowa: well, more than 10 years for that to happen :) [15:21] I have a question; what are the plans for the KDE PIM suite [kontact]? I notice a lot of changes, and it seems to be getting more solid, but I'm not certain if they're willing to hear bugreports regarding it. [15:21] i have a launchpad account how do i join the testing team [15:21] and what version of gnome and kde should we expect [15:22] KDE 4.2 with Qt4.5, IIRC [15:22] ***sorry i already found that out [15:46] !info mysql-common [15:46] mysql-common (source: mysql-dfsg-5.0): MySQL database common files. In component main, is optional. Version 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 60 kB, installed size 148 kB [15:46] some program didn't like 5.1.30? [16:00] anyone seen problems with the arrow keys not working on the boot screen of the desktop cd? === repete1 is now known as repete [16:26] Hi, I was wondering whether its currently safe to upgrade to 9.04, I tried a few days ago but after the upgrade nm disappeared from the panel and I had no networking? [16:27] tretle, not safe, only for testing [16:27] are their alot of packages being held back? and could I have had this issue from upgrading straight from an 8.10 fresh install to 9.04 withought first installing the 204 updates for 8.10? [16:28] tretle: perfectly possible, since it is always advised to fully update before upgrading [16:28] tretle: the proper way to dist-upgrade is using update-manager -d [16:28] but you will lose 3D [16:29] kdelibs is also broken due to new snapshot of kde 4.2 RC1 [16:29] fosco_ I usually use ubuntu dev alpha 2's onwords, I keep everything important on an external disk so I do a lot of reinstalling. I dont mind usually but the bug I have recently encountered is a show stopper one. I dont mind a buggy system as long as I have networking to troublshoot and fix the problems [16:30] bugabundo_work I always use update-manager -d, but when it gets to 99% installing xulrunner fails and it continues for a bit and then kills the installation before it goes onto the clean up system stage [16:31] talk to asac or fta on #ubuntu-mozillateam [16:31] tretle: does it kill itself? or do you see a message box? [16:31] tretle: saying that the upgrade failed etc [16:31] bugabundo_work, My gfx cards been broken for the last 8months so I have been using metacity-compositing with the vesa graphics driver :) [16:32] mvo_ it says the upgrade failed [16:32] tretle: the bug itself got fixed today [16:32] tretle: ok, thanks [16:32] niiiiice :D [16:32] :) [16:32] hugs asac [16:32] I was wondering whether the bug on gnome-keyring blogged on planet.ubuntu could have been it [16:32] * BUGabundo_work waits for cjwatson to fix the installer so I can get ext4 [16:34] anyone have any idea what the current state of metacity compositing on jaunty is, I saw on cimi's italian blog a post which I think was referring to a new feature regarding window transparency and fading transitions in svn but I cant speak italian so cant be sure :D [16:35] bugabundo_work have you seen the ext3 -> ext4 performance comparison yet [16:35] ? [16:35] no === mvo_ is now known as mvo [16:36] just read about it on kernel ML [16:37] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_ext4&num=1 [16:37] its an interesting result [16:47] by the way is the new gnome-volume-manager supposed to show more than one mixer for the output tab? [16:47] I have a 7.1 system yet before it only showed one mixer [16:47] about a week ago [16:48] tretle, try gnome-alsamixer [16:49] ah, yeah well isnt gnome-volume-manager using pulseaudio as default now nor not? [16:49] nor - or [16:51] tretle, you mean gnome-volume-control? [16:51] ah, whoops.... yes [16:51] yes it is, but pulseaudio uses alsa, so... [16:51] shouldnt pulse audio replace alsa? [16:52] no, pulseaudio is a wrapper [16:55] and how should you be able to control the mixer for each speaker in the gnome-volume-control applet? If i right click and choose preferences it shows all of the speakers an inputs but in the gnome-volume control there is the one mixer for output [16:57] tretle, do it with gnome-alsamixer, or alsamixer -c 0 [17:00] Is it currently available but unusable due to a bug with the new volume-control or is there an update planned to support multiple input/outputs in a future update, using alsamixer is a bit of a regression if you ask me [17:01] tretle, you can do it with pulseaudio volume control, but its a pain in the *ss. Go to the preferences window. [17:05] x120 - so u dont know whether you should be able to do it with gnome-volume-control? [17:05] even before the final build [17:06] how could i know? AFAIK, it depends on the fedora guys. [17:06] I can see allot of people getting annoyed that they can no longer set the volume for all of their outputs in the replacement gnome-volume-control [17:08] tretle, I totally sympathize with that, the old volume control was way better. But well, things are just the way they are :( [17:08] oh, sorry.... I came onto irc a few days ago and someone told me that the new gnome-volume-control was originally working with multiple outputs but that their was a bug [17:11] tretle, as I said, you can do it, but in a very stupid way, go to the preferences window and select other option to control === bobbo_ is now known as bobbocanfly === bobbocanfly is now known as bobbo [18:28] looks like the gnome-keyring definately was the bug holding me back from upgrading, now i plan to reinstall once more when alpha 3 is released for ext4 support [18:31] Using the 2.6.28 kernel, I receive the message "Unable to read/access /etc/udev/rules.d" at kernel boot with a repeating pcspeaker beep. 2.6.27 works fine [18:41] does Jaunty use initrd-less boot with fallback from installed instances of the OS? [18:50] currently like i understand that EXT4 can be used only with manual mode installation in Kubuntu 9.04 final??? [18:50] news said that ext4 wont be in by default does that mean that [18:51] uffo, automated installations will use ext3 [18:51] fosco__: and with manual i can use ext4 right? [18:51] fosco__: in final version [18:52] it is supposed to be present in tomorrow's alpha3 [18:53] fosco__: i tried to install todays live cd kubuntu and ext4 choise was in but when i selected it and after i pressed next it still was ext3, does alpha3 tomorrow will fix that [18:56] hope so [18:59] fosco__: thanks i feel myself better now that ext4 can be used manually, btw i never use guided install anyway. [19:10] anyone here have experience with remote X? [19:11] I made changes to gdm.conf (on a fresh Ubuntu 8.04 installation) to set DisallowTCP=False and [xdmcp] Enable=True and I was able to connect remotely last night. I ran the Update Manager overnight, it finished, I clicked the "Restart now" button, and now I can't connect remotely - it just shows a black screen with the X cursor [19:46] Hi [19:47] do you guys knows how to add the -ignoreABI option to the xserver, as now with latest xorg I can't run nvidia without that option [19:48] nacho: In xorg.conf, I think all you need to do is add Option IgnoreABI "True" to your device section. [19:48] Pici, ok thanks [19:49] Pici, and do you have any solution for gnome-settings-daemon that seems to be crashing all time? [19:50] if not, I'll wait it is not something critical to me [19:51] nacho: Not off the top of my head [19:51] Pici, thanks anyway I am going to restart the X server now [19:51] bye [19:55] anyone else had any problems where the arrow keys don't work? running 9.04 in VMWare, not sure if this is a guest or host issue [19:57] hang on a minute, this was the same thing i had in hardy. half of them don't work and the other half do odd things (like up is prntscrn) [19:57] s/hardy/intrepid/ [20:01] is alpha 3 out? [20:01] No. [20:01] no [20:02] should be tomorrow night [20:02] late as usual [20:02] hmm ok by the way anything new expected in it? [20:03] some fixes in the installer [20:03] and new kde 4.2 rc1 snapshot [20:04] and the size should allow it to fit in a CD [20:04] not that I care! [20:04] I just put it on a 8GiBs pendrive [20:05] ok thx [20:13] after recent updates mysqld does not start any more [20:13] nd log says: operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=5574 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" [20:13] any clues? [20:15] i am not sure but i think it will get fixed in alpha 3 [20:15] tommorow releasing [20:18] so it should be in the next set of updated... [20:18] * Alexia_Death is permanently running alpha:P [20:23] Hi again [20:24] now I have everything working except the sound, seems that there is a new sound control, do you guys had problems with the sound? [20:25] with this new sound control system I can't configurate all things I had in the previous one [20:26] nacho: yes [20:26] everybody do [20:26] thers a problem with alsa. [20:26] ah! ok great [20:26] searrch the launchpad, but basically your sound starts muted. [20:27] do alsamixer -Dhw [20:27]