[17:38] <rsc-> hi fellas!
[17:41]  * _MMA_ waves.
[17:41] <_MMA_> rsc-: Been pretty quiet lately.
[17:42] <rsc-> seems like it, yeah.
[17:42] <thorwil> hi rsc-
[17:43] <thorwil> rsc-: what are you up to these days?
[17:44] <rsc-> working. :/
[17:44] <thorwil> not the worst option :)
[17:45] <_MMA_> +1
[17:45] <rsc-> though ive gotten a few hours to put together a new theme
[17:45] <rsc-> (but it's still in the mockup stage :p)
[17:46] <rsc-> :)
[17:46] <rsc-> http://i35.tinypic.com/qrg6l4.jpg
[17:48] <thorwil> rsc-: polished aluminum buttons?
[17:48] <rsc-> lol, yeah.
[17:49] <thorwil> rsc-: the flat signs on them don't work that well
[17:49] <rsc-> oh well, its not much but it's a bit of progress at least
[17:49] <rsc-> flag signs?
[17:49] <thorwil> rsc-: the triangles and stuff
[17:49] <rsc-> oh, erm, okay
[17:50] <thorwil> rsc-: one would expect either the metal to shine through, or the symbols to be carved
[17:50] <rsc-> i was trying to do an inset effect on those back/forward/stop glyphs
[17:52] <rsc-> ...either way, i dont think it's very good progress overall. I thought I'd get somewhere good with a "pro"-looking black/aluminum combo, but it ended up looking very mac-like
[17:52] <rsc-> how about elsewhere in the Ubuntu front? any updates on projects?
[17:52] <rsc-> ...breathe?
[17:52] <thorwil> good thing i don't have to mention that ;)
[17:53] <thorwil> rsc-: Sebastian is still filling in icons one by one
[17:53] <rsc-> where's the latest preview?
[17:53] <thorwil> while i let little things here and there keep me from finishing the svg theme file
[17:54] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[17:54] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons
[17:55] <rsc-> eep, go-previous isn't how I believe breathe should be
[17:56] <thorwil> it's in submissions ... it will never go elsewhere ;)
[17:56] <rsc-> but it seems to be going pretty nicely :)
[17:57] <rsc-> sigh
[17:57] <rsc-> i'd really like to contribute but I'd really rather work on pixels instead of vector :p
[17:58] <thorwil> excuses :)
[17:58]  * thorwil -> dinner
[17:59] <_MMA_> rsc-: Don't you owe me a Studio wallpaper? :)
[17:59]  * _MMA_ ducks.
[18:00] <_MMA_> And go-previous will be removed soon. he other artist has done nothing with it.
[18:00] <rsc-> haha :P
[18:00] <rsc-> i've still no idea what to do with it.
[18:01] <_MMA_> Still have the emails I sent? I was just thinking something in the shape of our logo.
[18:02] <_MMA_> Some kinda background. I like the feel of your original ibex. How the bg and Ibex were separate.
[18:02] <_MMA_> And I like your screenshot there. Slick.
[18:37] <tretle> cimi , you there?
[18:37] <Cimi> y
[18:49] <tretle> I saw a post on your blog about metacity compositing from svn
[18:50] <tretle> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/08/metacity-con-ombre-e-trasparenze-e-nel-repo/
[18:51] <tretle> its in Italian, but I was wondering whether it was regarding transparency or fade effects for windows?
[18:52] <Cimi> tretle, compositing is enabled by default
[18:52] <Cimi> if you are not using compiz
[18:53] <Cimi> gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager --type bool true
[18:54] <tretle> enabled by default in what?
[18:55] <tretle> I have been using metacity-compositing for some time and was hoping that that post was about updates to it because I have noticed the same bugs in all ubuntu releases thus far and no new features seem to be developed
[18:58] <Cimi> tretle, that post is old
[18:58] <Cimi> anyway there's an interesting -but not blogged on the web- work from opened hand
[18:59] <Cimi> intel is sponsoring some works for a clutter backend for metacity compositing
[18:59] <Cimi> allowing to use opengl instead xrender
[18:59] <Cimi> that means more effects
[19:00] <tretle> also means incompatibility with more hardware
[19:00] <Cimi> of course
[19:02] <tretle> would prefer if the current xrender bugs where fixed before the clutter work is done, that way metacity gnome could use the clutter backend when available and the xrender as a fallback rather than having just clutter and a non composited backend
[19:03] <tretle> two of the biggest bugs to fix would be the lack of shadow effects upon restart and video overlaying gtk windows on top
[19:04] <Cimi> "lack of shadow effects upon restart"
[19:04] <Cimi> ?
[19:05] <Cimi> while the second bug seems more a xorg/driver issue
[19:06] <tretle> basically when you enable metacity-compositing from the gconf editor it adds shadows to the panels but when you restart the shadows are gone... the only way to get them back is by switching metacity-compositing off and then back on again from the gconf-editor
[19:07] <Cimi> where?
[19:07] <Cimi> on the panel?
[19:07] <Cimi> windows have shadows here after restart
[19:07] <Cimi> just the panel hasn't
[19:07] <tretle> yup the panel
[19:08] <Cimi> known bug
[19:09]  * Cimi -> away
[20:12] <theBishop> Some application text is really faint when using the DarkRoom theme.  Is there a workaround?
[20:16] <_MMA_> theBishop: Depends. Sometimes it's the app doing something non-standard. Most things have  been well-tested but there will always be a few cases. What app?
[20:16] <_MMA_> theBishop: You also might wanna search Launchpad to see if the bug is reported.
[20:18] <theBishop> _MMA_, it's basically any time the app has application text on a white background.  Compiz Settings Manager, the preferences menu in Firefox, the tree-view in pgAdmin3, et al
[20:20] <_MMA_> Known issues I'm afraid. Patches have been sent to Compiz Settings Manager (and gnome-control-center as they share similar code) but nothing has been accepted.
[20:22] <theBishop> so it's not something that can be changed by GTK or the theme engine?
[20:22] <_MMA_> No
[20:23] <theBishop> determine the background and default the font color to black if the background is not standard
[20:25] <_MMA_> It often comes down to app writers assuming the text is always dark.
[20:25] <_MMA_> As things are, nothing can be done other than send patches upstream. Hope they take 'em.
[20:28] <theBishop> _MMA_, so the issue is the app is overriding the font color, assuming a light background?
[20:31] <_MMA_> No. Not overriding it, using certain widgits and assuming text will always be dark without consideration otherwise. *Some* apps hard-cone colors but they are few. FF2 was one. Thunderbird2 is another.