Riddellkees: that dosemu diff is really not minimal00:33
keesRiddell: no?00:33
keesor is that the one with build cruft?00:34
Riddellkees: yep00:35
keesRiddell: I'm open to suggestions on how to avoid the cruft.  seems to show up in my debdiff any time I debuild -S it00:39
LaserJockkees: filterdiff?00:40
keesLaserJock: oh, sure, I can manually do it.  :)00:40
keesbut it does represent what's going to happen when it builds00:41
LaserJockkees: does that matter so much?00:41
LaserJockwhat kind of cruft is it?00:41
keesLaserJock: autoconf joy00:43
keesRiddell: what would you like me to do?00:43
Riddellkees: if it's unavoidable I can just look through it00:44
LaserJockkees: so like config.guess, config.sub?00:44
RAOFHm.  Where was that network-manager + WPA-enterprise bug...00:47
slangasekkees: you're on MIR team now?  Could you take on bug #315403?  looks like cup has been dep-wait on jflex since November00:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315403 in jflex "MIR for jflex" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31540300:48
keesslangasek: I am, but I'm totally underwater at the moment with security work00:48
slangaseklool: how about you?  Any cycles for MIR work? ^^00:49
* slangasek wonders if jflex should replace jlex as a dep of libxsltc-java00:49
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RAOFWoah.  That's got to be the longest bug with a reasonable signal/noise ration on launchpad.00:57
keesRiddell: thanks01:07
calcaren't programs that need to save supposed to stop shutdown from happening until you deal with them?01:16
calcistr this used to happen but now it doesn't for me anymore01:16
calci got a bug about OOo not stopping shutdown to save and tested on a vm and it doesn't work even for Gedit for me01:17
slangasekcalc: GNOME upstream broke the use of the standard session protcol01:17
slangasekcalc: so that really ought to be assigned to gnome-session; dunno if a bug is already open01:18
calcslangasek: ah ok01:18
slangasekcf. http://np237.livejournal.com/22014.html01:18
calcslangasek: thanks for the link01:19
* slangasek oohs, noticing that rss-glx is the only thing on the CD using libmagick10 and wondering if he can reclaim 2.4MB by rebuilding it against libmagickcore01:25
slangasekcalc: ooo/amd64 ftbfs?01:28
slangasekah, because of libmysqlclient still01:28
slangasekcalc: n/m01:28
* slangasek schedules a retry, since everything seems to be in order now01:29
slangasekhah, nice; libmagick10 has been split into 'libmagickcore1' and 'libmagickwand1', which... depend on each other.01:42
slangasekStevenK: dare I ask why?01:43
slangasekI knew they were split - why is there a circular dependency?01:43
StevenKslangasek: Because the Maintainer needs his crack pipe taken away ...01:43
slangasekwell, ok.  It's ImageMagick, so that's par for the course.01:44
slangaseksee also: epochs01:44
StevenKslangasek: I've been closing my eyes and saying "Lalala" about libmagick10 in NBS since it requires a bunch of source changes and there's a lovely argument going on in the BTS about it ...01:44
slangasekStevenK: right - I'm going to do rss-glx though, because libmagickcore1+libmagickwand1 is 2.1MB smaller than libmagick10 :)01:44
StevenKI've been hoping the mess resolves itself, but if it gets much later I'm going to JFDI01:45
slangasekthey must have built it without --enable-inline-fibonnaci-array01:45
slangasekis the argument in the BTS converging on sanity?01:45
TheMusowoops wrong tab01:45
StevenKIt wasn't, last I read.01:46
calcslangasek: yea i just rescheduled armel as well01:46
StevenKslangasek: I last read the bug in the BTS about a month ago, mind you01:46
slangasekStevenK: can you nudge it in that direction? :)01:47
StevenKslangasek: I was staying out of it :-P01:47
* StevenK points to his "Slightly innocent by-stander" hat01:47
* slangasek crosses out "by-stander" and writes in "downstream victim" :)01:48
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RAOFTheMuso: You know how the recent pulseaudio uploads fixed my stutter on HDAs-Intel?  It seems they've transferred them to my USB speakers :(03:39
TheMusoRAOF: That sucks.03:39
RAOFAt least now it correlates with CPU load.03:40
RAOFNot heavy CPU load, mind.  Just any cpu load.03:40
TheMusoRAOF: Try alsa-driver 1.0.18 final, if its gone, then its a driver fix we can probably pull to work it out.03:40
* TheMuso read an interesting tidbit this morning, USB2 is only half-duplex.03:40
RAOFWhat's the m-a package for alsa-driver?03:41
TheMusoRAOF: alsa-source afaik.03:41
RAOFMmmm, build-stutter.03:45
LaserJockcan you use sudo to restrict what people can run for stuff that's not for root?03:45
RAOFHm.  alsa-source fails to build somewhere.  That's going to be fun for someone not me.03:51
TheMusoRAOF: Ah ok, will chase that up.03:56
lifelessRAOF: how did you go with mono?03:59
RAOFlifeless: I am, as yet, unable to make it segfault when I'm looking at it.04:00
lifelessRAOF: ha!04:00
lifelessRAOF: running under gdb fixes it ?04:00
RAOFIt does indeed.  Well, running the mono commands that the postinst would run under gdb doesn't segfault, at least.04:01
lifelessRAOF: I will bet that running under valgrind would find it on your machine :P04:02
RAOFI suppose that if I wanted to be 100% thorough I'd upload a new mono that wraps all executions of mono in gdb, and then build-depend on that new version.04:02
* RAOF wonders if NCommander feels like some more mono pain, with added debug difficulty.04:03
RAOFBut this is one that I've only been able to reproduce on the PPA buildds, where we have no access!  What could be more fun than debugging that?04:04
* NCommander turns on the Soyuz light04:05
RAOFTheMuso: No joy on the alsa-driver 1.0.18 front.  If it's any better, it's not much better.04:14
RAOFHm.  What's the easiest way to get a Debian Experimental VM happening in virt-manager?04:18
TheMusoRAOF: Right, so its probably userspace... again.04:25
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superm1slangasek, i think someone abducted the mythbuntu builds from cdimages.ubuntu.com... there's no ISOs anymore for yesterday or the day before: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/06:27
slangasekanything interesting in livefs build logs?06:27
superm1well there were ISOs before for at least the 12th06:28
superm1well wait, no i had an 11th downloaded, so i dont know there was for the 12th06:28
superm1i'll look at livefs build logs06:29
slangasekit's not a livefs build problem, though there was a livefs build failure on amd6406:29
superm1(i would have expected that the old one was used anyhow though if later ones were failing)06:29
slangasekW: Failed to fetch file:/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp-universe/dists/jaunty/main/b06:29
slangasekinary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch06:29
slangasekit's that darn mirroring locking bug06:29
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superm1so likely would affect xubuntu and what not too06:38
slangasekyes, it's an intermittent thing06:39
dholbachgood morning06:39
* slangasek waves06:39
superm1why did the ISO from the 11th get purged tho if the ones on the 12th and 13th weren't actually made?06:40
slangasekthe script isn't so intelligent that it checks for successful builds before kicking off stale images06:40
slangaseksuperm1: there's a 14 now, though :)06:40
superm1slangasek, well it's unfortunately broke unless it included the xfce4-session build that just finished 7 minutes ago... same for xubuntu.  for some reason it looks like the build was scored really low and didn't build for 8 hours06:41
slangasekwell, I was just doing an ISO build anyway, to test that this would work - the livefs still needs rebuilt06:41
superm1slangasek, yeah i dont think it's even finished the publisher run yet: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/4.4.3-0ubuntu206:42
slangasekdid you happen to take a peek at the amd64 livefs build failure I alluded to?  Anything that needs doing there, or should that sort itself out?06:43
superm1let me take a look06:43
superm1hm, very bzr. "                     Depends: update-manager but it is not going to be installed" what would prevent "update-manager" of all things?06:44
superm1i suspect it should sort itself out, but if it doesnt i can prepare an amd64 chroot sometime tomorrow06:44
liwhrmph, unable to install hardy this morning, results in grub saying "Error 18"06:55
liwoh, hm, http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_1806:56
sladenliw: you needs a /boot somewhere "near" to the start of the disk (<2GB IIRC)06:59
sladenwell, 8GB, according to that URL07:00
liwsladen, yeah, but I keep being weirded out that a modern motherboard's bios needs that still07:01
sladenliw: using some low-level ext hackery it would be possible to force certain files below a magic threshold, but I (probably like you) thought it was "fixed" by now07:04
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RAOFAmaranth: bluesmoke?07:14
AmaranthRAOF: magic blue smoke07:14
AmaranthRAOF: Your computer makes it when you compile mono too many times07:15
* RAOF 's box made it without compiling mono _at all_.07:15
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ashvala[ 52.630275] SDA:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods HELP!07:55
ashvalaplease help07:55
slangasekcalc: the fortran stuff cleaned up nicely; the java stuff is still there even on i386 - is that because -l10n hasn't built yet?08:39
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vooxis it fairly safe to update from a fresh install with alpha 2?08:51
DktrKranzbryce: thanks for devscripts! I'll file a wishlist bug in Debian too later this evening. Regarding its merge, I could look at it in the next few days.08:53
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loolslangasek: Reviewed jflex; found a bunch of small issues which can easily be resolved, but I don't think we should block main promotion on them09:20
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liwwhat's the status of radeon support with free drivers? my RV630 does not seem to work in intrepid, but perhaps jaunty has new goodies?10:51
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savvasQt will use lgpl: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Nokia-to-Offer-Qt-Under-LGPL-Licensing/11:51
Keybukcjwatson: do we have anything that tries to populate /dev anymore?12:43
Keybuk(other than makedev itself)12:47
* ogra just wanted to note there are some postinsts that run makedev :)12:47
asacjames_w: i saw that you took over the firebug branch with what comes from debian at some point.12:47
Keybukyeah, they'll fail now ;)12:47
Keybuk(in Debian too)12:47
james_wasac: yeah12:47
ograi saw that (on arm though)12:47
asacjames_w: and changed the binary package name from firebug to iceweasel?12:48
james_wasac: nope12:48
Keybukogra: I'm wondering whether we should drop makedev12:48
ograhow is that supposed to work now ?12:48
ogracalling some udev specific command ?12:48
Keybukogra: the device will already exist ?12:49
ograor does it just rely on the kernel creating these devices12:49
asacjames_w: did you try to contact jared first? (who was the original maintainer)12:49
Keybukthere aren't any devices for which the kernel won't create it first12:49
james_wasac: it was a merge from Debian as the Ubuntu package was really out of date, modifications were made from Debian's package to make it work with firefox etc.12:49
james_wasac: no, I didn't. There was an old upgrade bug open on the package.12:49
ograwell, people will complain if they dont have makedev anymore ...12:50
asacjames_w: you could have pinged us ;)12:50
james_wasac: I didn't feel I needed to.12:50
Keybukogra: will they?12:50
ograbut thats the only drawback i see ... i.e. if you have scripts that use it to create any special devices12:50
Keybukmakedev is already a no-op with a warning if you try and run it12:50
cjwatsonKeybuk: I don't think so12:51
ograoh, and i was talking about mknod :) ignore me :)12:51
cjwatsonI was under the impression that postinsts that run makedev generally had conditionals12:51
asacjames_w: you know that an extension team existed ;)12:51
ograi saw a lot of makedev calls building the last arm rootfs tree12:52
ograbut they usually only warn12:52
james_wasac: yes, and I updated the branches from the debdiffs that were supplied.12:52
cjwatsonNCommander: bug 316841: don't we need to update finish-install too to set up an upstart job for the serial console?12:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 316841 in shadow "Freescale MX series needs new ports added to securetty.linux" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31684112:52
Keybukcjwatson: we end up with a fairly random set of stuff in the "real" /dev12:52
Keybukmany of which have the wrong names, permissions, etc.12:52
Keybukit would be nicer if that just had the most basic devices like console, null, etc. only12:53
asacjames_w: in general all is fine .. i just think that you changed the orig tarball layout to something that cannot be patched without patchsystem12:53
asacwhich is somewhat bad ;) ... but now its done, so whatever ;)12:53
cjwatsondebootstrap might populate it a bit, though I thought it had stopped doing that12:53
Keybukcjwatson: the makedev postinst itself populates it12:53
james_wasac: ah, ok, sorry about that.12:53
Keybukand there are packages that call makedev if they don't think udev is running12:54
Keybukwhich means it ends up partially populated when installing12:54
james_wasac: you should probably create a README.Source that you can reference from these packages that explains this stuff.12:54
asacjames_w: we will bring mozilla-devscripts to debian soon ... then firebug guy can use med-xpi-unpack and med-xpi-pack to do that12:54
asace.g. creating a good orig12:55
cjwatsonKeybuk: a udev /dev should be bind-mounted during installation though12:55
asacfirebug guy/debian guy/12:55
Keybukcjwatson: is it?12:55
cjwatsonwe do mount --bind /dev /target/dev12:55
asacjames_w: yeah true ... i just didnt expect someone to go and merge from debian to a previously independent branch ... my wrong12:56
cjwatsonI can't swear that that's present at all possible points but I certainly thought it ought to be12:56
Keybukdamn, I shall have to figure this bug out harder then ;)12:56
cjwatsonyou could add something to makedev.postinst to check for the udevdb12:56
Keybukthere's something in MAKEDEV itself that does that already12:56
asacjames_w: but lets move on ;)12:57
cjwatsonoh yes12:57
Keybukyou can't MAKEDEV over the top of udev12:57
cjwatsondo we need to install the makedev package by default any more?12:57
Keybukcjwatson: support for making devices other than in /dev ?12:57
Keybuk(it's a bit of a long stretch)12:57
Keybuka few things depend on it12:57
cjwatsonhmm, udev is probably not installed in buildd chroots12:57
cjwatsonhistorically that has been Painful12:57
asacjames_w: btw, the work you did is much appreciated ;) (in case it sounded different)12:58
Keybukwhy would something need to call makedev during package builds?12:58
Keybukthat's not even possible surely? :p12:58
cjwatsonit wouldn't, but the buildd chroots probably need at least a few devices present12:58
cjwatsonI don't know if they bind-mount /dev12:58
Keybukinteresting question12:58
james_wasac: no problem. I realise that you are trying to do something a bit different and I don't want to make it harder than it has to be for you.12:58
cjwatsonit's nice for debootstrapped chroots to have some useful devices out of the box too12:58
Keybukyeah, I was thinking of just going for a more minimal default /dev12:59
Keybukwithout some of the more exotic devices12:59
Keybukbryce: around?  (re: sane-backends)13:01
asacjames_w: in fact i dont try to do things different. just wasnt sure (and still nto 100% sure) what to do with debian merges for pre-existing branches13:01
cjwatsonKeybuk: debootstrap appears to do 'MAKEDEV std ptmx fd' and put the result in /dev13:10
cjwatsonwhich IIRC is not an entirely crazy set13:11
Keybukthat's a pretty reasonable core set13:11
* Keybuk tries to remember why he doesn't just call MAKEDEV to populate /lib/udev/devices13:12
cjwatsonso I think that means makedev may be unnecessary in the required seed13:12
cjwatsonit's explicitly seeded there right now13:12
Keybukenough base things depend on it that it'll stay in the seed13:13
Keybukbut we could probably unseed it and see how long it takes to go away13:13
cjwatsonyeah, that's what I meant13:15
* Keybuk likes discussing changing fundamental things in the middle of an alpha freeze <g>13:16
cjwatsongerminate seems to think that it should at least drop out to standard13:16
cjwatsonwhich would mean debootstrap would stop installing it13:16
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Keybukcjwatson: *nods*13:24
Keybuka few things seem to hold it in standard13:24
* Keybuk looks at ogra ;-)13:24
cjwatsonshould be easy to address13:24
ograhmm, havent touched it for a whil ... i'll look13:25
ograi think that comes from the odd debian postinst scrits we dont use ...13:25
ograogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/fuse-2.7.4$ grep makedev debian/*.post*13:26
ogradebian/fuse-utils.postinst:  # Call makedev and fix perms13:26
ograwell, that indeed justifies a dependency ... omg ! its mentioned in the comments !!!13:27
* ogra drops :)13:27
asacjames_w: any ideas how i could publish a failed bzr merge? just forcefully committing and requiring developers to uncommit to work on it?13:28
ograKeybuk, fix uploaded13:28
asacjames_w: will bzr resolve FILE forcefully resolve a conflict?13:29
james_wasac: can they not just the merge for themselves?13:29
asacjames_w: but how to publish the "work task" ?13:29
asacjames_w: that would require a separate channel like mailing list etc.13:29
james_wlaunchpad merge request?13:30
asacjames_w: yeah. that could be used, but is a bit of a launchpad specific problem to the general problem. but good enough i guess (just have to figure out the xml api i guess)13:31
asacs/specific problem/specific solution/ ;)13:31
james_wthe API doesn't quite allow you to create merge requests yet I believe13:32
asachmm ... that would be a blocker then ;)13:32
james_wI agree a way of storing a conflicted tree with pending merges might be quite useful13:32
james_wbut force committing it isn't the answer13:32
asacyeah. thats why i asked ;)13:32
asacjames_w: if i uncommit, i can still refer to that revision right?13:36
siretartwhy is there no linux-image-debug-2.6.27-9-generic on security.ubuntu.com? `apt-cache madison linux-image-debug-2.6.27-9-generic` claims it to be produced from the source package linux_2.6.27-9.19, but it does not seem to be published at all!13:36
james_wasac: yeah, by revid13:36
asacjames_w: but i guess that hidden revision isnt pushed?13:36
james_wasac: correct13:36
asaccouldnt a similar mechanism be used to publish such broken merge requests?13:37
asacjames_w: ?13:37
james_wwhat mechanism?13:37
asacjames_w: to have a revid that represents the broken merge13:37
james_wnot really, as a pending merge/conflicts are working tree things, not revisions13:38
asacjames_w: yes, but if uncommit a merge, isnt the merged tree still reachable through the "hidden" revid?13:39
asacbut well, i better stop talking about things i dont know any details ;)13:40
james_wyes, you are right13:40
asacjames_w: about the former or the latter ... or both?13:41
james_wbut it's equally as accessible, more visible, and easier to refer to in the place that you merged from13:41
james_wheh :-)13:41
james_wthe former13:41
cjwatsonogra: it wasn't just the comments, note that makedev's executable is in upper case :-P13:44
cjwatsonbut that code path is never executed if udev is active anyway13:45
cjwatsonI'm not sure what would happen if you installed fuse-utils in a buildd chroot, though13:45
cjwatsonwe could just make the postinst succeed anyway13:45
cjwatsonlamont`: ah, excellent timing. Do buildd chroots bind-mount /dev from the base (presumably udev)?13:46
ograjust an || true ?13:46
* ogra would rather comment that line out completely though13:46
lamont`cjwatson: buidld chroots have proc and dev/pts from the parent13:47
cjwatsoncan they have /dev?13:47
cjwatsonor is there a good reason not to?13:47
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asacjames_w: 31711114:08
superm1slangasek, it looks like the livefs for mythbuntu still have the old xfce4-session for today.  xubuntu's is good I believe ( cody-somerville can you confirm? ), could you poke it to do one more build?14:20
cody-somervillesuperm1, charlie-tca confirms livecd starts fine today14:23
cody-somervilleAs for mythbuntu, I don't have access to distro build infrastructure (I'm in OEM Services). slangasek, cjwatson, or evand should be able to help you get you your livefs rebuilt.14:24
cody-somervillesuperm1, Have you looked to see if maybe your livefs build failed?14:24
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: ping14:25
superm1cody-somerville, yeah the last one passed: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/jaunty/mythbuntu/20090114/ .  I think it was just an inconvenient time that it was cronned before things were published14:25
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: yesterday daily jaunty installer won't accept a swap + / ext414:25
BUGabundo_workplus gparted on the livecd doesn't support et414:26
cody-somervilleBUGabundo_work, are you running Windows at the moment?14:26
BUGabundo_workyes from another PC14:27
BUGabundo_worktook almorning backing up disk to external driver14:27
BUGabundo_workuses usbcreator to make a pendrive14:27
BUGabundo_workand now am stuck with the install!14:27
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: the gparted bug for ext4 is still open14:27
BUGabundo_workreporting both bugs on LP14:27
cjwatsondo not report that one again14:27
BUGabundo_workok I'll subs to it then14:27
BUGabundo_workabout the installer cjwatson?14:28
BUGabundo_work8GiBs swap + / ext4 is replaced by / ext3 + /Home ext314:28
BUGabundo_workvery strange14:28
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: do you mean that you did guided partitioning?14:28
BUGabundo_workdoes the guided handle ext4?14:28
BUGabundo_workthere you go14:29
cjwatsonso you must have created /home by hand. Do you mean that it did not recognise the existing ext4 partition as being ext4?14:29
BUGabundo_workold partitions were ext3. one / + one /home plus one swap14:29
BUGabundo_workI deleted them via installer (which means they are still intact)14:30
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: so I do not understand your bug. First you say that the old partition was ext4, now you say that it was ext314:30
BUGabundo_workand "tried" to create new ones14:30
cjwatsoncan you please be more precise?14:30
BUGabundo_workno no no14:30
BUGabundo_workold was ext314:30
BUGabundo_workand xfs14:30
BUGabundo_worknew schema with deleted old partitions is meant to be 8gibs /swap + / ext414:31
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: please file a bug stating precisely what you did, step by step14:31
BUGabundo_workbut the installer replaces that with 8g / ext3 and /home ext314:31
BUGabundo_workno swap, no ext414:31
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: concentrate on making it possible for me to follow the same steps and reproduce the problem14:31
cjwatsonthat's deeply improbable14:31
cjwatsonthe installer never creates /home by default14:31
BUGabundo_workdo you have the bug id for gparted?14:31
BUGabundo_workI know! its strange14:32
cjwatsonno, but it shouldn't take you long to look it up14:32
BUGabundo_workI can show you via webcam14:32
BUGabundo_workdo you want that ?14:32
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: is this the alternate installer or the desktop installer14:32
cjwatsonno, I would rather not have a video14:32
BUGabundo_workhumm tried first from the quick installer at livecd boot14:32
BUGabundo_workthen from Full desktop live14:32
cjwatsonso the desktop installer14:32
BUGabundo_workwill reboot, and report the bug, step by step14:33
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: please attach /var/log/syslog, /var/log/partman, and /var/log/installer/debug *after* reproducing the bug but *before* rebooting14:33
BUGabundo_workI don't know how you guys call the installer that doesn't boot into desktop14:33
cjwatsonit's the same installer14:33
BUGabundo_workgood to know14:34
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: I'm still making a webcam cast of the procedure14:37
BUGabundo_workin case you want to watch it later14:37
cjwatsonusually logs are actually more helpful to me, but thank you14:37
cjwatsononce in a blue moon I guess a video would be handy14:38
BUGabundo_workno prob14:38
BUGabundo_workok just reproduced it!14:40
BUGabundo_workgetting logs to a bug14:40
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: what package?14:41
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: ubiquity14:43
cjwatson(it's probably not really there but that's a good starting point)14:43
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: bug 31712414:46
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 317124 could not be found14:46
BUGabundo_workuploading logs now14:46
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: logs sent14:48
BUGabundo_workbug 31712414:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317124 in ubiquity "jaunty installer fails to accept manual ext4 schema" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31712414:48
BUGabundo_workping me for any extra test or info14:48
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: OK, I'm working on something else right now but will get to this next14:49
BUGabundo_workif it gets fixed today, maybe I can still test it again14:50
BUGabundo_workand get a fresh install14:50
BUGabundo_work10GiBs for / is full14:51
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: are you kamion on LP?14:53
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: yes14:58
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calcslangasek: yes that would be because of the ooo-l10n afaik15:09
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: ok, turns out it's nothing to do with ext4 and is a bug that's been fixed in a more recent version of ubiquity15:12
cjwatsonBUGabundo_work: I'd appreciate it if you didn't assign bugs to me in future15:13
cjwatsonmy manager gets to do that :)15:13
robbiewcjwatson: ;)15:16
cjwatsonI must backport that gparted patch though, a lot of people have been asking for it15:17
BUGabundo_workcjwatson: sorry15:18
Keybuknot for the first time I wish that dpkg had a command line option to tell you what deps were missing15:30
liwdpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install # this more or less works as a workaround (Keybuk surely knows this, but others might not have realized)15:31
ograKeybuk, ther is that apt thing :)15:31
mvo_gdebi is also a handy tool for this15:35
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Keybukliw: that's not quite what I meant15:38
Keybukapt attempts to fix it given the known archives15:38
Keybuk(dpkg --configure -a gives similar output, but also tries to fix things)15:38
Keybukall I want to know is what's wrong15:38
liwKeybuk, ok15:39
liwapt-get has --no-act, though15:39
mvo_Keybuk: is gdebi what you want then? it will also look at the known archive but will tell you about stuff it can not find15:40
Keybukit's more the versions15:40
KeybukI've installed a bunch of jaunty packages on intrepid15:40
Keybukwant to know what I need to upgrade15:40
ion_liw: dpkg --unpack foo; apt-get -f install rather.15:46
joaopintoKeybuk, the fix attempt from apt-get -f install will show you the problems ....15:49
joaopintobue like mvo explained, gdebi will do that on a preventive manner15:51
slangaseklool: jflex> cheers - do we need to look at getting jlex demoted as well?15:55
slangasekogra: hrm, was this fuse upload really warranted during a milestone freeze?15:56
ograslangasek, err, i thought we are suposed to upload to have it in the queue15:57
ograslangasek, its not urgently needed in the images15:57
slangaseksuperm1: yes, mythbuntu livefs respinning now15:57
superm1slangasek, great thanks15:57
slangasekogra: we haven't been using a queue for alpha milestones for 3 release cycles...15:57
ogrameh, sorry then15:57
ograit wont do any harm though15:58
mvo_slangasek: I have a pending update-manager upload that helps nvidia users, is it ok to still upload ?15:58
slangasekmvo_: bug #?15:58
mvo_slangasek: bug #30841015:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308410 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Latest Xorg removes nvidia driver ... conflicting xserver-xorg-video-4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30841015:59
mvo_slangasek: the "fix" for now is to auto transition the users from nvidia to nv in the xorg conf15:59
slangasekmvo_: I probably won't respin all the images for the fix (xubuntu/ubuntustudio are already built, and that's clearly an upgrade-only fix so not entirely relevant to milestone ISOs), but yeah, go ahead with uploading16:01
mvo_thanks slangasek, will do after the meeting (I want to review the debdiff again and run a test just to be sure that I don't do breakage)16:04
seb128slangasek: hi, could you accept the evolution-exchange intrepid sru? the evolution update broken for exchange users and that one should fix the issue16:08
slangasekseb128: yes, shortly - in a meeting now16:08
seb128slangasek: ok thanks16:08
* calc apologizes for interupting the meeting i didn't see what channel my name highlighted in due to irssi screen limitation issues16:19
cjwatsonogasawara: why does bug 34190 show up in the "other" section of http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/jaunty-buglist.html? It has the qa-jaunty-foundations tag and should go in the Foundations section16:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 34190 in debian-installer "live cd "boot methods" out of date" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3419016:19
ogasawaracjwatson: hrm, I'll investigate16:20
ogasawaracjwatson: you may also want to use http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/qa-jaunty-buglist.html instead.  Should be the same list, just has a LP look and feel with sortable columns16:21
cody-somervillemvo_, I'm having trouble with bug #310137. My merge FTBFS because it says the libc6 version is too high although in the newsfile for valgrind, apparently this version added specific support for 2.8. Is it safe to patch it to let it compile with 2.8 or do I have to regenerate the configure file stuff or something? :P16:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310137 in valgrind "Merge valgrind 3.3.1-3 from Debian unstable (main)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31013716:21
cjwatsonogasawara: thanks16:22
* lamont` finally gets annoyed enough at cups to file bug 31715316:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317153 in cups "state belongs in /var, not /etc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31715316:24
mvo_cody-somerville: if it works with 2.8 I would say patch it and forward the patch to upstream (might be a oversight or something by upstream)16:25
loolslangasek: I don't know anything about jlex; if you think it's not needed in main, then I trust you!16:26
cody-somervillemvo_, k16:26
slangaseklool: well, the description of jflex is "a reimplementation of jlex"16:26
slangaseklool: so I guess it would be nice to not have two of them in main16:26
cjwatsonogasawara: the intention is that simply tagging a bug gets it onto that list, isn't it?16:28
loolslangasek: Good point16:28
ogasawaracjwatson: yup16:28
* cjwatson has no problem with jlex being demoted (as the Debian maintainer, although the mists of time have swallowed up why I decided to maintain it)16:28
slangasekcjwatson: are you in a position to migrate libxsltc-java to jflex?  I haven't looked into what that entails, so far was just asking the question16:33
cjwatsonI'm not sure I could do a good job, but I suppose I can try16:35
cjwatsonI haven't looked at jlex non-trivially in years16:36
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cjwatsonslangasek: jflex can handle the .lex file there OK, but I wouldn't even know where to start with testing whether there are any regressions; the generated scanner looks completely different16:46
slangasekhmm, fun16:47
slangasekwell, we can try it out post-A3 then maybe16:47
cjwatsonI think somebody should ask upstream16:48
slangasekjflex upstream?16:48
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cjwatsonxalan upstream16:49
LaserJockcjwatson: do you know if the supported seed in edubuntu actually used?17:04
sahkohi, does anyone maybe know the result of the discussion regarding cdrtools inclusion in ubuntu as mentioned here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-August/000472.html ?17:05
sahkoi asked on the forum too but didnt get an answer so far. sorry if this is outside the purpose of this channel. didnt know where else to ask17:06
cjwatsonLaserJock: supported seeds are necessary for germinate to behave properly17:08
TheMusosahko: Afaik its still ongoing.17:08
cjwatsonLaserJock: it puts build-dependencies in their17:09
cjwatsonthere (argh!)17:09
cjwatsonsahko: was mentioned in the minutes of yesterday's TB meeting, posted to ubuntu-devel. As TheMuso says, still ongoing.17:09
sahkoTheMuso: so discussion has started. from a;; sodes17:09
sahkoall sides*17:09
sahkoschilling too..17:09
LaserJockcjwatson: ah, right. so is supported automatically generated at all? I'm looking at Edubuntu's and it doesn't seem right17:10
cjwatsonLaserJock: it's probably wrong, but is not very important17:10
cjwatsonlooks like an old copy of Ubuntu's with some bits added17:10
cjwatsonI wouldn't worry about it too much ...17:10
cjwatsonit used to be used for DVDs17:10
LaserJockbut will that prevent demotion?17:10
sahkocjwatson: thanks. good luck with this to whoever participates. hope cdrtools get included in future versions. the fork is unusable17:11
LaserJockcjwatson: ok, another quick question related to the DVD if you don't mind, how is the package list then determined?17:12
bryceKeybuk: yep?17:13
Keybukbryce: you appear to have not included the changes I made in my last upload17:13
Keybukjust the changelog entry17:13
brycehm, not by intention, let me doublecheck17:14
slangasekcalc: OOo-core still depends on librdf0?17:14
slangasekcalc: that's 2MB for librdf0, librasqal1, libraptor1, libmysqlclient15off, libpq5, mysql-common17:15
bryceKeybuk: weird.  ok I'll look into it17:16
Keybuknp :)17:16
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slangasekcalc: actually, adding in the rdf recommends, that costs us 7MB total... I guess I'll look at whether those recommends can be reasonably demoted17:20
cjwatsonLaserJock: we haven't built Edubuntu DVDs for some time, so "it isn't"17:20
cjwatsonLaserJock: for Ubuntu and Kubuntu, we use a separate "dvd" seed nowadays17:21
LaserJockcjwatson: right, but I thought you could install edubuntu-desktop for instance from the Ubuntu DVD17:21
bryceKeybuk: heh17:21
bryceKeybuk: looks like we both did our uploads at the same time17:21
LaserJockI haven't personally used the DVD so I don't know for sure17:21
cjwatsonLaserJock: that works by the stupid hack of explicitly seeding the 'edubuntu-desktop' metapackage in ubuntu.jaunty/dvd17:23
cjwatsonsee the comment above that seed entry17:23
cjwatsonand feel free to sync that up if necessary17:23
LaserJockyeah, I see it17:23
LaserJockand I need to sync that up since I'm dropping the edubuntu-addon bits17:24
LaserJockcjwatson: ok, thanks, that helped17:24
calcslangasek: yes and it actually Depends on lpsolve so it will probably break calc for alpha3 but i can see about getting suitesparse broken up into another package for alpha4 so calc won't be broken in it17:25
cjwatsonrickspencer3: do you know if anyone is going to look at bug 288494? it looks like it's missed alpha 3 now17:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 288494 in totem "the youtube code needs to be updated" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28849417:25
cjwatsonrickspencer3: err, sorry, not alpha 3, I meant to say Ubuntu 8.04.217:25
slangasekcalc: oh, correcting myself, the {redland,raptor}-utils recommends have only a minor impact on disk space.  librdf0 itself pulls in 6MB of deps.  What do we need that for?17:27
calcslangasek: redland (librdf) is used to support ODF 1.2 metadata17:32
calcit doesn't appear to be something that could easily be left out17:32
calcslangasek: rene seems to think reverting to internal would work well enough for now, but may need to switch back to external later (probably when we do split build for jaunty+1)17:35
calcslangasek: would you like me to reroll it with internal redland and reverting the java change and have you drop help from the cd?17:36
slangasekwhat do you mean, "reverting the java change"?17:36
slangasekoh, re-adding it to help17:36
calcslangasek: the issue you discussed with rene about help really needing java so help should just be dropped from the cd17:37
slangasekdropping help from the CD means either getting ArneGoetje to reroll language-support-translations-en, or dropping language-support-en from the CD17:38
calcah hmm17:38
calcArneGoetje: ping ? :)17:38
cjwatsondropping language-support-en from the CD will have installer consequences17:39
calcyea dropping it isn't really an option17:39
slangasekwhat sort of consequences?17:39
cjwatsonit will tell everyone that they have incomplete language suport17:39
cjwatsonand will prompt them during d-i installations to say that language-support packages are unavailable on the CD17:40
cjwatson_Description: Download language support?17:40
cjwatson The installation CD does not contain full support for your language. Do you17:40
cjwatson want to download the required packages from the Internet now? This includes17:40
cjwatson spell-checking, dictionaries, and translations for various applications.17:40
cjwatson .17:40
cjwatson If you do not want to download this now, you may start the Language17:40
cjwatson Selector after installation to install complete support for your language.17:40
slangasekhmm, right17:40
slangasekcjwatson: what do you think about rerolling language-support-translations-en to not install OOo-help-en-*?17:42
slangasekeach .deb is ~6MB, dunno how much that'll buy us on the liveCD17:42
cjwatsonit's a plausible option17:42
bryceKeybuk: uploaded.  Sorry bout that, looks like you put in your change right before I posted the merge.  Good timing.17:42
cjwatsonit could be rerolled by hand without the langpack-o-matic infrastructure if you're in a rush, as long as langpack-o-matic gets synced up afterwards17:43
slangasekso if we do drop those deps, what will be the right component to pull in the help later for users?17:45
calcdo we even have a mechanism to do that?17:45
slangasekthat's the question17:45
calcif there is adding all of OOo as an option to show the user would be extremely helpful ;-)17:46
cody-somervillemvo, I just noticed that jaunty now has glibc 6.917:46
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slangasekcalc: that's not the kind of mechanism I had in mind; I was more thinking of a way to have the localization pulled in *when* you install the OOo metapackage17:48
* calc thinks the other would be helpful also in other cases of abused Recommends demotion to fit stuff onto CD, etc :-\ Recommends used to mean more than just what we think you should have that also happens to fit on the CD17:50
slangasekif I make this change, English will be the *only* language for which users don't automatically get OOo help files; and if you reupload -l10n, users of all the other languages get to download the 90MB of java as part of the language support download17:51
* calc still isn't quite sure what the ooo split build will do wrt CD space issues, fun for Jaunty+1 I'm sure17:52
slangasek"split build" meaning what?17:53
calcfor one we will no longer have any internal libraries, at least afaict17:53
slangasekwell, so far using external libraries hasn't been an improvement17:53
calcslangasek: splitting the monolithic source into the relevant modules and building without any internal copies of 3rd party libraries, etc17:53
slangaseksince librdf0 for some reason has to pull in libmysqlclient and libpq5 :P17:54
calcso there will be a writer source, ure source, etc17:54
cjwatsoni.e. "modular OOo" (to go with modular X)17:54
calci'm targeting 3.1/3.2 for the switch depending on how the meeting goes at Sun next month17:55
slangasekand how modular will it really be, given things like "your documents will be corrupted if you don't have -math installed"?17:55
moh_banahello, is it true that there's a free ver. of the broadcom drivers?  i've been trying to install this crap for ages with no luck17:56
calcslangasek: once we get to that point I am hoping upstream will consider those type things to be real bugs17:56
calcslangasek: currently they expect OOo to be installed, and as its monolithic all of it to be17:56
slangaseksplitting mysql/postgres off of librdf0 would probably also take care of the problem17:58
slangasekthe current size problem, that is17:58
slangasekwe still have the help package problem17:59
calcwell help as it stands doesn't install java now but also means the search doesn't work17:59
calcwe could punt that decision to later i suppose17:59
slangasekI'm trying to decide whether I want to mangle redland on the fly here, or wait for another round of OOo build17:59
slangasekcalc: <sigh> I think we're better off with rebuilding OOo to use internal redland, for now18:02
calcslangasek: ok18:02
calci think that should be fine for this release cycle and then we'll have to see what OOo does in general when it becomes modular18:03
calci should have builds of that going by late march i think with 3.118:03
slangasekI'm going to file a bug with dajobe about wanting to be able to split off the mysql/postgres storage stuff18:03
calcslangasek: i'm going to eat lunch quick and then get the new upload done18:04
calcslangasek: so just the redland change for a3?18:04
slangasekyes, just the redland change please18:04
calcbbia 15m or so18:04
slangasek(also means that we don't have to wait for both OOo and OOo-l10n to build)18:04
cody-somervillemvo, Are you familiar with the Debian maintainers of valgrind? Do they plan to upload the new 3.4.0 version to enable support for glibc 2.9?18:15
SimoneBis there a channel about app development in ubuntu? (or, to make it short, is there a genetic algorithm package in the ubuntu's repositories?)18:22
zorglu_q. what is the default --prefix for ./configure on ubuntu ?18:23
Pici!info python-genetic | SimoneB18:23
ubottupython-genetic (source: genetic): genetic algorithms in Python. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.1b-7 (intrepid), package size 21 kB, installed size 184 kB18:23
SimoneBahum, right. I hoped in a C version, but i'll take a look at that, thanks18:25
PiciSimoneB: I just searched for 'genetic' in the repos. apt-cache search genetic  spits out a whole bunch of matches18:26
SimoneBPici: why did it have just 2 results when i did it? python-genetic and cl-rsm-genetic-alg (a lisp version)18:26
PiciSimoneB: aptitude search, or apt-cache? aptitude only looks in package names by default18:28
SimoneBPici: ahhh! I did aptitude search, infacts. thanks.18:28
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calcback, working on ooo3 redland issue now18:37
* calc needs to run a test build to make sure disabling redland doesn't cause other build issues18:45
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BUGabundo1cjwatson: those the fix of bug 310083 fix the problem I reported today?19:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310083 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with KeyError in partman_edit_dialog()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31008319:08
BUGabundo1evand: ping19:08
evandBUGabundo1: pong19:09
evandBUGabundo1: can you rephrase your question, I do not understand what you're asking19:10
evandthe bug should be fixed in ubiquity 1.11.319:10
evandbe sure to check you're using the correct version by running ubiquity --version19:10
BUGabundo1evand: the bug that you marked as dupe of 31008319:11
BUGabundo1today I tried to use yesterday live cd19:12
evandthat wont have the fix19:12
BUGabundo1but ubiquity would change my partition schema19:12
evandonly today's CD does19:12
BUGabundo1but marked it as a dupe, and I don't see a fix or mention for it in the bug19:12
BUGabundo1I'll download tomorros (or tonight) daily build and test again!19:13
evandit's a different symptom, but it's the same bug19:13
BUGabundo1'cause I never saw any crash!19:13
mvocody-somerville: I'm not familiar with the debian mantainer, sorry19:13
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ScottKLaserJock: Do we have any other Jabber servers in Main?19:19
LaserJockScottK: we might but I think ejabberd is the preferred one19:20
LaserJockfrom what I've seen around the net it's one of the most common19:20
Nafallowritten in erlang ;-)19:21
LaserJocklooks like we have jabberd and ejabberd :-)19:22
ScottKLaserJock: I think that's the first question.  If we have another one and we should have ejabberd instead, then I suspect it's a relatively easy sell.19:22
* LaserJock suddenly thinks he knows what the "e" might be fore19:22
ScottKOK.  Well I guess then the question is can ejabberd replace jabberd ...19:22
LaserJockScottK: what do you mean?19:22
LaserJockwhy does it need to replace it?19:23
NafalloLaserJock: don't forget jabberd2 ;-)19:23
ScottKSo you aren't increasing the amount of stuff in Main.19:23
LaserJockScottK: there isn't a jabber server in Main19:23
affluxwhat's jabberd? Can find only jabber and jabberd2, both in universe19:23
ScottKOK.  I misunderstood then.19:23
BUGabundo1I use ejabberd19:24
BUGabundo1its quite good!19:24
hwildecan someone explain how ext4 achieves the promised performance increases?19:24
BUGabundo1much easier to setup then jabberd219:24
NafalloScottK: well, ejabberd would drag erlang along with it. not sure what kees have to say about that one ;-)19:24
affluxI hate erlang, so I use jabberd2 :P19:24
LaserJockafflux: jabberd is the daemon of jabber19:24
affluxLaserJock: ah, thought you were talking about pkgnames19:24
BUGabundo1afflux: I don't care what's under the wood. I just need it to work19:24
affluxBUGabundo1: mine didn't, so I tried debugging, and that somehow just didn't work out.19:25
BUGabundo1its working right now!19:25
BUGabundo1from hardy up to jaunty!19:25
Nafallosql-backends for ejabberd seems to require unpackaged modules at the moment :-P19:25
BUGabundo1I have one account f XMPP on my own laptop!19:25
NafalloI'm going to switch towards jabberd2 fwiw19:25
BUGabundo1afflux: I said it *is* easier. I didn't say it was easy! took me 2 days to get it running as I wanted19:26
LaserJockwell, I don't know that we *have* to have ejabberd, it's just sort of the defacto one I think19:26
ScottKLaserJock: It might be useful to discuss with Server Team.19:26
affluxyep, it's quite common afaik19:26
BUGabundo1there goes pidgin. but I'm back19:27
BUGabundo1what did I loose?19:27
LaserJockScottK: in particular I'm not sure about bringing grep-dctrl into Main and lksctp-tools seems interesting as well19:28
LaserJockso jabberd2 would pull in udns, gsasl, and libntlm19:34
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keesNafallo: I don't have time to learn erlang at the moment.  ;)19:49
LaserJockanybody up for some erlang?! :-)19:50
calcis there a way to search for private bugs on a package that you can see?19:52
* calc wants to make sure that all the ones that should be public are marked that way already19:52
Nafallokees: that's about what I hoped you'd say :-)19:53
keescalc: beg bdmurray to run magic queues for you?19:54
calckees: heh ok19:54
calci can just look through the list, i was talking about bugs that are marked private that I can see that shouldn't be marked that way19:55
calci didn't know if there was some way to search for them via launchpad search page19:55
superm1can someone with appropriate rights let through mdomsch's post to ubuntu-devel ML?20:00
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slytherindoes anyone know why has launchpad eaten squid-common in jaunty? squid is not upgradable (from intrepid version) in current state.20:23
Mithrandirsquid-common | 2.7.STABLE3-1ubuntu2 |        jaunty | all20:24
Mithrandirit should be there.20:24
Mithrandirhm, same version as intrepid.  Sure it's not just no longer built?20:24
Mithrandirslytherin: ah, it FTBFS on i38620:25
slytherinMithrandir: I am not using i386, I am on powerpc. If you see launchpad page there is no squid-common binary, only squid and squid-cgi. But the build log for powerpc shows all binaries were built.20:27
TheMusoslytherin: i386 builds arch all packages.20:27
Mithrandirslytherin: -common is built on i386, and it's arch: all20:27
slytherinahh, didn't pay attention to that. my fault.20:28
Mithrandirsearch for "Error 1" in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21134518/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.squid_2.7.STABLE3-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:28
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sconklinbryce: ping21:18
brycesconklin: yes?21:18
brycesconklin: in general, it is better to just ask your question rather than pinging, since then you get your response sooner (and it interrupts the pingee only one time)21:19
sconklinok right. I'll ask it here again then.21:19
bryceactually if it's X, come on in to #ubuntu-x21:20
brycethen if I don't know, maybe one of the other guys there can chime in21:20
sconklinI can't reproduce it now. It happened twice in a row, now won't fail21:22
sconklinsorry for the fire drill21:22
brycesometimes those can be intermittent issues, you'll probably see it again21:22
bryceI can give you a bit more advice if I at least know the driver and/or gfx chipset21:23
sconklinonce it's installed I'll get that and save it, and next time I'll just file a bug and save all the chatter21:23
bryceokay cool21:23
brycefwiw, for this class of problem there are registry dumping tools (at least, for -intel and -ati) which can be useful for troubleshooting21:24
brycealso, if you have a digital camera, these kind of issues do well to be photographed21:24
brycethe upstream guys can recognize different kinds of bugs based on the style of corruption seen on the screen sometimes21:25
bryceheya Rocket2DMn21:25
Rocket2DMnhey bryce21:25
brycesconklin: btw also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old after rebooting for errors, and/or look in /var/log/gdm/ if the file from the previous boot contains any errors.21:29
sconklinbryce: this was during an install from cd21:29
brycerunning ubuntu-bug will automatically capture most of this stuff21:29
bryceah yes rebooting from that won't help :-)21:30
sconklinI realized that (I think) both times it failed it had been powered down, but warm started the times it succeeded. I'll have more chances to test again during the next few days21:31
Rocket2DMnbryce, ive been pretty busy recently and will be for a bit, but im still keeping my eye out for X bugs21:31
bryceRocket2DMn: cool.  I got inspired a bit after our last chat and went through all the fully triaged segfaults, and fixed several of them :-)21:33
brycesconklin: ah that's a good observation.  It's not unusual for these corruption issues to be correlated to hibernate or suspend, so a correlation with warm-vs-cold boot wouldn't surprise me21:34
brycesconklin: DRI being enabled vs. disabled tends to also correlate to some of these21:35
bryceso that's worth testing too21:35
sconklinbryce: ok, thanks21:35
Rocket2DMnbryce, sweet, progress!21:36
calcok the build worked so i will be uploading new OOo now21:45
slangasekcalc: ok, thanks21:46
slangasekcalc: btw, for the help stuff (post-A3), what do you think of the possibility of using the bundled lucene, and then help searching is covered by the "for the full suite, you need openoffice.org metapackage and java" warning?21:49
cjwatsoncalc: private-ness is apparently not something you can search on (bug 66206) but you could do it, albeit more slowly, with the Launchpad API21:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 66206 in malone "No advanced search option to search by bug privacy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6620621:53
cjwatsonsuperm1: err, while I've approved it, it's totally inapplicable to Ubuntu - we don't use that man implementation21:56
cjwatsonI'll follow up on the list21:56
superm1cjwatson, okay, i didn't see the contents of it yet myself.  mdomsch wasn't on the list and just asked if i could ping someone about letting it through21:58
calccjwatson: ok thanks, if i notice any while going through my bugs i will just work on them as i see them22:06
calcslangasek: hmm yea that would probably work out ok, i can make that change before i upload if you want22:07
calcslangasek: i was cleaning the tree and was just about to upload now22:08
brycesuperm1: btw when you get a chance could you doublecheck what I've written for -nvidia status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Drivers ?22:09
slangasekcalc: no need to change that before this upload, I don't want to wait on OOo-l10n anyway22:10
calcok np22:10
RAOFHm.  nouveau is still a bit wrong there.22:11
RAOFnouveau should support everything the nvidia-glx-* supports, barring possibly really new cards.22:12
RAOFAlso, the kernel modules are still in NEW :)22:12
maxb"nvidia-glx-177 (180.22 - Needs IgnoreABI)" <-- copy/pasto22:14
* RAOF waits for bryce to finish updating that wiki.22:15
maxbAbout the vdpau stuff... what happens to the package naming when the next major version comes out?22:16
calcwho do i talk to about an 8.04.2 upload to fix my remaining targeted bugs?22:16
maxbPerhaps they need to be providing/conflicting a common metapackage?22:16
calcto verify its ok to do the upload ;-)22:16
bryceRAOF: ok done, go ahead and edit if you'd like, I can wait :-)22:18
brycemaxb: good catch, that should be 177.8222:19
brycemaxb: there is a separate libvdpau-glx-180 package; is that what you mean?22:20
maxbThe thing is, that the files contained by the libvdpau  / libvdpau-dev packages are not named in version specific (or even nvidia-specific) ways, so won't some conflicts be needed somewhere?22:21
brycemaxb: I don't think they conflict with anything at this point, but would imagine the packaging can be updated if/when that occurs22:22
brycemaxb: but perhaps I don't understand...  superm1 can speak more definitively on this since he set it up22:22
RAOFmaxb: You're thinking of incompatible ABI changes, right?  sonames and ABI and symbols, oh my!22:24
maxbNot specifically - I'm just thinking of how things can be arranged such that future versions don't have to list all the previous versions explicitly22:25
RAOFHm.  I should mention that nouveau will only be installable once nouveau-kernel-source gets out of NEW.22:25
RAOFWhy would they?  They'd just have a higher version string?22:25
maxbBut, the major number is embedded in the package name: nvidia-180-libvdpau22:26
maxbFor example, the nvidia-glx-NNN all provide and conflict nvidia-glx (though they then do explicitly list all the other versions in Replaces, so that doesn't completely allow them to be ignorant of what other versions are out there)22:27
RAOFOh, right.  Yeah.22:27
RAOFI see what you mean now.  I was set off track by the mention of libvdpau / libvdpau dev.22:28
maxbSorry, I was prematurely abbreviating :-)22:28
directhexyou know what they say about premature optimization22:39
calcslangasek: done uploading now :)22:57
m3gahi all, does anyone know anything about how the ocaml and haskell tools and libraries are snapshotted from debian to go into an ubuntu release?23:18
sorenHm... My Xorg is eating up all of the one core on my laptop. I imagein this is due to some application flooding it with updates or whatnot. How can I see which application  is causing this?23:19
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lapricein trying to build a package, all of the files named *.ex are ignored right?23:30
lapriceI just need to create the plain versions and that will23:30
lapricecause them to be built into the final package?23:31
ScottKm3ga: I know 'not usually in an order that leads them to work', but not much more than that.23:59

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