[00:00] jmedina: Do you understand what I mean, though? Right now my machine is c-68-82-187-97.hsd1.de.comcast.net. But I own server.com and have my domain pointing to my IP address. I want my machine to be machinename.server.com. [00:00] Zombie_Gaz, You need to speak to the owner of the netblock to get reverse DNS setup.. as they'll need to do it on their DNS servers.. in this case, comcast to see if they'll do it for you. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [00:01] Ah. So this isn't something I can do on my machine. It's via my ISP? [00:01] you can't set RR for your IP address, unless your ISP delegate it to you, which they do rarely [00:01] Zombie_Gaz, yes, the owners of the IP. [00:01] Got it. [00:01] Zombie_Gaz, and providing your own forward zone (domain.com -> Your IP) matches the reverse zone (Your IP -> domain.com), it'll show as domain.com on your IRC hostmask for example. [00:02] Zombie_Gaz, but really, you'll need to speak to comcast in the first instance to see if they can help. [00:02] 98.0.105.78.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer home.magicalforest.net. [00:02] :-) [00:02] :) [00:02] I was lucky in that my ISP will delegate reverse DNS to me, or, now.. (which is easier) they give me a web panel to change it myself.. :) [00:03] * jmedina hates in-addr.arpa [00:03] dazman: ha. nice. [00:05] Any familiar with comcast's feelings towards this? [00:05] erp (Anyone) [00:06] * Zombie_Gaz has a feeling it is not positive. [00:06] Zombie_Gaz: Do you have a business account or a residential one? [00:06] residential ;( [00:06] Comcase no haz reverse DNS for you. [00:06] hah [00:06] You're violating your terms of service running a server. [00:06] Yeah. [00:07] Boo. [00:07] For business accounts they have it no problem. [00:19] hey all, anyone running mysql with master -> slave replication [00:19] ? [00:23] nephish: yeah why [00:24] anyone got drbd0.7 to run under hardy? [00:24] well, i am wanting to set up master slave replication on our backup server. The trick is, we are going to move our backup computer to another location. [00:24] so whats your question [00:25] i am wondering if that is going to present a problem. [00:25] who is the master and who is the slave? [00:25] i would have to change the slaves host name on the main, etc. [00:25] master is our main server. [00:26] just that our database is almost 8 GIG, so it will be very difficult to move the copy over once we move the system [00:27] nephish: stop the server, note the binlog position [00:27] move the server [00:27] change the configuration on the master [00:27] I live in the heart of Tornado Alley, so we just cannot have our main and backup server in the same place [00:27] if you still need it you would have to double check [00:27] ok [00:27] then start replication server again [00:28] check if it automatically rolls all transactions from the master to the slave [00:28] is there some kind of option to load the slave computer from scratch? [00:28] i can't do a mysqldump because of how long it will lock up the database [00:28] otherwise tell the master from which last transaction (the number you noted down) the transaction log should be replicated [00:28] that should be it [00:29] ok [00:29] nephish: maybe you can do mysqlhotcopy [00:30] turn on binlog on the master [00:30] lock the master [00:30] write down the transaction number [00:30] do mysqlhotcopy [00:30] unlock the master [00:31] copy everything to the slave [00:31] get it up and running [00:31] tell the master from which numer on the transactions should be replicated [00:31] ok [00:31] and please make sure to read http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/replication.html [00:31] maybe my info is outdated because it has been a while [00:32] ok. [00:32] looks good [00:32] thanks for the link [00:32] nephish: google mysql replication -> first hit ;) [00:33] yeah, kinda bypassed it for some how-to and tutorial websites [00:34] nephish: it is always better to clearly understand what you are doing. Stay away from howto and tutorials if you have good documentation at hand. Which is the case with mysql [00:34] thanks [00:56] will scst be included in ubuntu ? [02:25] New bug: #316957 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.30-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: 子进程 post-installation script 返回了错误号 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316957 [03:51] New bug: #316974 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (universe) "Mysql dead after update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316974 [03:55] Hey guys How can i change the repositories from a local one to the main one. the local one is horribly slow [03:56] /etc/apt/sources.list [03:57] ok but where can i get the list of main servers [03:58] Everything is something.archive.ubuntu.com [03:58] something.archive.ubuntu.com [03:58] k thanx [03:59] Um, not literally. [03:59] oh [03:59] cause the canadian ones are brutally slow [03:59] If you're in Australia you would use au.archive.ubuntu.com [03:59] usa = us [04:10] <_Cid> evening peeps [04:12] can I run fsck command for NTFS partition ? [04:13] i means is it safe to run fsck command in NTFS partition, I am newbie. [04:13] How to i check & repair NTFS partition in Linux CLI ? [04:13] <_Cid> beats me :/ [04:15] what are the letters in the repositories for usa [04:16] http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates <-- thats canada whats the usa one? [04:16] <_Cid> us? [04:16] hey all, needed to setup a SOHO server for basica file/print sharing and authentication. it seems like samba + ldap is the solution, however apparently samba has limitations [04:17] i was trying to figure out what setup would work best. any help is much appreciated [04:17] <_Cid> pardon my ignorence ...SOHO? [04:17] small office/home office [04:17] <_Cid> !soho [04:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about soho [04:17] <_Cid> ahhh, ok [04:17] yup [04:17] anyone alive? [04:17] <_Cid> what limitations you looking at? [04:18] * ScottK finds a HP JetDirect box sitting on the network plenty for SOHO print serving. [04:18] <_Cid> I mean ...I run that setup, works fine [04:18] well, apparently it _has_ limitations. i was trying to figure out what exactly [04:18] For SOHO I doubt you will run into any [04:19] How big is this office, do you really need central authentication? [04:19] basically what i'm looking for is a file server to host the files used to run a couple windows-only apps (GoldMine & QuickBooks) [04:19] <_Cid> no limitations so far :P [04:20] and was hoping I could have it work like a domain controller for central auth [04:20] about 5 employees, however it can gro [04:20] w [04:20] <_Cid> I done a setup like that once for a 8 man company - worked fine with samba [04:20] i needed everything on the server (except that the apps could run locally -- esp since most clients will be windows) [04:21] _Cid: your experience would be greatly appreciated if shared :) [04:22] <_Cid> uzair: I dont know what to say really :) I spend an afternoon, started witht he samba.conf which is pretty well documented, and a few google hits ... and had it up and running in pretty much no time [04:22] i'm a relatively advanced user w/ windows and maybe intermediate (although that may be pushing it) on linux, but i'm quite new to system admin. i have a large understanding of various parts of it, but never setup a whole network like this before [04:23] <_Cid> uzair: I seem to recall having the most trouble with getting windows to detect it as a domain server ...oh..and some issue about home directory replication I accidently set up ..and couldnt figure out how to turn of (whenever you logged in to a enw machine, bunch of files got copied over, woops) [04:23] _Cid: did you use samba for central auth? were people logging onto a domain or were they just mapping drives? [04:23] <_Cid> uzair: you can do both with samba [04:24] <_Cid> uzair: a starting point would be /etc/samba/samba.conf - there are commented out examples in there that pretty much does it for you :-) [04:24] <_Cid> err smb.conf, sorry [04:24] what about the use of ldap? [04:25] tdb? [04:25] <_Cid> err..was on a fedora box...think it was called FDS [04:26] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/samba-ldap.html [04:27] <_Cid> and/or: http://www.majen.net/smbldap/ [04:27] thanks hads. i had found these two as well: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu-gutsy-samba-domaincontroller [04:27] and, http://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10 [04:27] <_Cid> uzair: Its not that I dont want to help btw, sorry if it comes across like that ..I just dont recall a lot of issues ...kinda..just..worked [04:28] np. people are often busy as well, etc. i was hoping if you had a guide or something you used, you could pass it along. if you just went at it raw, then i wouldn't really expect someone to teach me everything on the spot [04:28] <_Cid> in terms of limitations, I cannot think of any you will run into with 5 users :-) [04:28] what are some limitations that these people talk off [04:29] <_Cid> who are these people...windows people? [04:29] specifically in the intro of this article: http://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10 [04:29] "Please note that you do not have a fully comparable Windows domain controller at this time. Do not kid yourself, this guide only gets you a server with LDAP authentication." [04:29] <_Cid> yeah, well..its not a fully featured domain server [04:30] <_Cid> [04:30] <_Cid> dont think you can set up cross domain trust ..as an example (or at least, I dont know how to) [04:30] hmm. now ldap seems to be quite a bit of a hassle, i was considering just using tdb. would it be a pain to switch to ldap later on? [04:31] <_Cid> with 5 users, I would go as light as I could - LDAP does seem a bit like overkill, unless you have a need for it [04:31] well, there is potential for growth [04:31] <_Cid> you hiring? :D [04:31] i don't expect it to go beyond 20ish [04:31] lol, you don't wanna work for me just yet ;) [04:32] but seriously, as the business grows, we're going to need people [04:32] <_Cid> what you going to do? [04:33] business-wise or server-wise? [04:33] server-wise [04:33] <_Cid> well, since we are in ubuntu-server .... I was curious as to your business idea :) [04:33] i was hoping to basically have a file server for centralized storage of files as well as the data for a couple of windows-only apps [04:34] <_Cid> uzair: you will have that part up in minutes [04:34] lol, business idea doesn't really have much to do with ubuntu, or linux. besides, my dad takes runs that part -- i'm supposed to play the IT guy [04:34] right [04:35] <_Cid> uzair: take it in phases, get file share up and running first - again, check out smb.conf [04:35] now secondly, those special apps need to be run on win machines, so they'll be there local. however all their info will be on the server [04:36] <_Cid> assuming there is support for that in the windows client [04:36] there is, checked that part out [04:36] <_Cid> you good then [04:36] <_Cid> (cause I tried that with quicken once, and it did not, heh) [04:37] no huh? too bad... [04:37] <_Cid> just make the same share avaliable to all windows users ... so they all know ..oh, the data is on the I Drive...or whatever [04:38] <_Cid> iDrive has a nice ring to it ...very Mac'ish [04:38] lol [04:38] yeah, i'm sick of seeing the z drive everywhere :S [04:38] <_Cid> :) [04:39] alright. i guess i'll get to work on doing this one step at a time. [04:39] so just to get a final answer, you advise for/against ldap? [04:40] <_Cid> for 5 users? against - your call if you want to position yourself for growth [04:40] alright then. i'll ponder over that some more. thanks for your help [04:41] <_Cid> sure thing, good luck with it :) [04:41] you as well hads [04:41] thx [05:26] Can anyone help me with this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6545446#post6545446 [05:46] does anyone run sendmail with ssl on intrepid with outlook clients? [05:48] Pain all around. No. === antdedyet_ is now known as antdedyet [06:55] how can i set sshd to only allow a set amount of connections from any one ip? [06:58] /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? [06:59] Jeeves_, that would allow me to block a host, what i would like to do is limit a host's amount of connections [07:00] can sshd limit the max connections from an ip? [07:02] AnRkey: Not that I know of [07:03] Haven't heard [07:03] Maybe iptables can do it [07:03] Jeeves_, i have denyhosts running every minute to stop dictionary attacks but some of these kids have large amounts of bandwidth. I end up getting 6000+ attempts before denyhosts has a chance to block them [07:03] AnRkey: use iptables with limits [07:03] henkjan, could you push a little harder,almost there [07:03] AnRkey: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 [07:06] henkjan, thanks very much! that seems to be exactly what i was looking for but could not get in to words to google successfully [07:06] i looooove this os and it's team [07:07] AnRkey: I googled for "ssh connection limit" :) [07:09] fail2ban may also be interesting [07:12] i almost dont believe you :) [07:12] trying that [07:12] i tried max connections and so on [07:13] fail2ban has broken 3 times on me [07:13] the lists keep getting messed up for some reason [07:21] i remember why we wanted to use it, it can check more services than the other denyhosts script [08:03] henkjan: Jij googler! [08:16] Jeeves_: respect my google skills! [08:18] :) [08:44] moin [08:45] help [08:46] apache didn't shut down cleanly or something [08:46] and the address is still in use? [08:46] how can i fix this [08:46] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 [08:46] sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop [08:47] hads: still doesnt work [08:48] what gives? [08:50] I have no idea what gives. Sounds like you'll need to kill it yourself. [08:50] hads: how do i do that/ [08:53] killall -v apache2 -9 [08:54] http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+kill+process [08:54] Jeeves_: not pkill -v ? ;) [08:54] -9 is pretty rough to start out :) [08:55] Jeeves_: it says no process killed [08:56] i would love to fix this :/ [08:56] like soon [08:56] hah [08:56] there are no apache processes [08:56] but the socket is still there [08:56] or whatever [08:58] <\sh> stiv2k: find out the processes with : sudo fuser -n tcp 80 [08:58] \sh: no results, there is no processes of apache [08:58] henkjan: pff. You funny guy! [08:58] stiv2k: netstat -lnp | grep 80 [08:58] What does that say? [08:59] tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - [08:59] <\sh> then there is also a process [08:59] <\sh> the fuser stuff should give it to you... [08:59] wtf [09:00] the fuser command returns nothing... [09:00] add a sudo to that netstat [09:03] it still looks the same [09:06] wtf is going on [09:06] why is it doing this [09:10] stiv2k: If you run 'netstat -lnp' [09:10] as root [09:10] Than you see which process is using port 80 [09:10] Jeeves_: and? [09:11] oh [09:11] tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - [09:12] stiv2k: You're running that as root? [09:12] yes [09:12] Jeeves_: sudo [09:13] hmm [09:13] ps uax | grep .pl ? [09:14] Hmm [09:14] there is something open on my port 443 too [09:15] Jeeves_: nothing comes back from that [09:16] stiv2k: sudo apt-get install rkhunter chkrootkit [09:16] Run both [09:16] Jeeves_: what do those do [09:17] They check for rootkits and unwanted running software [09:17] apt-cache show rkhunter [09:18] hey btw [09:18] the damn init script for BOPM is broken [09:18] Jeeves_: i get this [09:18] /usr/sbin/unhide [ Warning ] [09:18] /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 [ Warning ] [09:18] everything else is for the most part [ OK ] [09:21] Jeeves_: no root kits here [09:24] telnet localhost 80 [10:35] I know this isn't really the right place, could someone help me out with regards to sbs2k8, IIS & Exchange2k7 ? [10:35] it would be nice to have some docs about a scst installation :) [10:36] or direct me to a channel with windows kiddies [10:36] nmzan: #windows-server [10:37] hax, didn't find that in the # list [10:37] thanks [10:52] I wonder why there is not that much infor about open-iscsi and scst [11:01] hi, hi would like to find a tool to monitor file system change rates, any idea? [11:02] inotify-tools may be of interest to you [11:04] Deeps: thx [12:16] mhh, there are really no good howto's about iscsi :S [12:36] hello, im having problem with mercurial on ubuntu [12:36] its webserver is launched on port 8000 and im not sure where to look how to disable or reconfigure it [12:43] what is the best filesystem for iscsi luns ? [13:08] MatBoy: Uh? [13:15] Jeeves_: ? [13:15] mhh [13:15] but I don't know what FS is best for that disk [13:15] I use iscsitarget to make luns using files on a disk [13:16] MatBoy: Why would an iscsidisk differ from a normal disk in terms of you choosing a filesystem? [13:18] Jeeves_: so ext3 should be fine ? [13:19] it seems it does [13:26] MatBoy: Yups, it is [13:29] Jeeves_: but what about lvm ? [13:30] how is that managed with iscsi ? [13:31] MatBoy: Never used lvm [13:32] k ! [13:34] not sure I understand why ubuntu server insists on installing apparmor [13:36] and it really bugs me canonical will not release their control panel thing a jig [13:38] apparmour provides application security, and is enabled by defaultl, but it easily disabled and/or removed [13:38] ya [13:38] control panel thing a jig? landscape? yeah. agreed. [13:38] I know [13:38] just comparing debian and ubuntu [13:39] I understand using ubuntu for the desktop as it takes care of all the piddly little desktop issues that you would battle with under debian [13:41] but the server release kinda bugs me. I ended up writing my own preseed to setup a custom firewall installation [13:42] i cant speak for the devs or even state with any kind of merit or backing that this is true, but it appears to me that the approach of "linux for humans" on the desktop (ie. linux desktops without needing to know much about linux) has been carried over to the server [13:42] and that ubuntu server is designed to try and make things as easy as possible for people with minimal command line experience [13:43] not sure how I see how it helps manage most services [13:43] Deeps, that may be the intent, I'm not sure its been a success though [13:43] I do like the ltsp integration though [13:43] whether it's a success or not, i'd personally think it's a bad idea [13:44] i tend to agree [13:44] I had to battle through that with debian [13:44] ya [13:44] I like the package manager they took from debian and the kernel patch set seems to be pretty clean [13:45] i like the up-to-date packages, it's great for non-critical multifunctional servers [13:46] the trouble I have is I am partnered with a windows guru who knows little about linux and insists on using crappy web front ends ie webmin etc [13:46] oh dear [13:46] ya [13:46] mean while I have compiled os's from scratch [13:46] well windows admins will have to learn command lines soon, i hear the windows server 2008 can be built command line only [13:46] LFS and gentoo [13:47] cor3: I don't know if your firewall preseeding is for ufw or not, but ufw will have basic preseeding support in jaunty [13:47] all the serious 'doze admins i've met use cli anyway [13:47] LOL ya its kinda like bash actually [13:47] LOL [13:47] cor3: also, the apparmor stuff isn't so much 'for human beings' as to keep important services as safe as possible [13:48] it's easy to update for one's needs, or to simply put in complain mode [13:48] ya I would prefer a full chroot and perhaps grsecurity patched kernel [13:48] with chroot restrictions [13:48] jdstrand, and drive sysadmins insane trying to work out why their ldap servers wont read the SSL certs ;) [13:48] Kamping_Kaiser: if apparmor is not working for you in a default installation, please file a bug [13:49] Kamping_Kaiser: or a common configuration [13:49] cor3: dont ask for much do you ;) [13:49] lol [13:49] no [13:49] haha [13:50] cor3: apparmor effectively chroots your application [13:50] kees: One thing your blog post about Sendmail/Outlook had me thinking about was that we dropped SSLv2 in Intrepid. Dunno if that was getting used before somehow. [13:50] jdstrand, no idea how common the setup was, but for the first time ever i had services unable to read /etc/ssl// because apparmour didnt consider the path legit :) [13:51] Kamping_Kaiser: this was in slapd? [13:52] jdstrand, the service in question? yes. I dont remember if Apache had the same hissy fit or if slapd was the only one. [13:52] Kamping_Kaiser: apache doesn't have an apparmor profile by default. I can fix slapd if you file a bug [13:52] anyone successfully integrate openldap, and spamassassin/amavisd-new? [13:52] (we can't fix these annoying problems if people don't report them) [13:53] I registered my own oid space for custom ltsp and snmp development work [13:53] oh, and made props for apparmor, the more i use it the more i like it [13:54] jdstrand, would it be considered bug worthy? While it seems a logical place to put the file for me, I dont know if its a standard path at all [13:54] :) [13:55] I want to build the equivilant to zimbra minus the ajax front end and other nasties [13:55] Kamping_Kaiser: it seems fairly reasonable to me to have SSL aware applications able to read file in /etc/ssl. if you file a bug, it can be discussed [13:55] jdstrand, ok, I'll do so. [13:56] Kamping_Kaiser: thanks! [13:56] Any one using the oem configuration support? [13:57] Not me [13:58] I found preseeding works well enough but the oem-config-server looks like it could be useful [13:59] one thing i found funny is the minimal debian installation is larger than the minimal ubuntu installation [13:59] if installed with the 'alternate' cd [14:00] netbase doesn't include inetd either which I like because I rarely use it for most installations [14:01] still have my reservations regarding canonical though [14:02] especially them refusing to release their support software for what is after all a free OS [14:03] the folks at debian would NEVER even consider doing that [14:03] jdstrand, its been a while since i worked on teh system in question, but heres a report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/317109 [14:03] Launchpad bug 317109 in apparmor "Apparmour doesnt support use of /etc/ssl/" [Undecided,New] [14:06] its one thing to provide commercial support but its a completely different thing to write software specifically for something completely open and not release it. Not to mention I doubt I would want a closed source support package installed cause who knows what they do with it. [14:06] Seems like something old billy would do [14:07] * ScottK <-- Does not work for Canonical [14:07] cor3: Then don't buy their support, just use it. [14:07] It shouldn't affect your decision whether or not to use the distro. [14:08] Kamping_Kaiser: thanks for the report :) [14:08] it just makes me question the relationship between the 2. [14:08] jdstrand, no worries. HIH. [14:08] canonical != ubuntu is what people tell me [14:09] cor3: That's absolutely true. [14:09] And ubuntu != canonical. [14:09] but they seem to scratch each others back [14:09] any who [14:09] no worries I will continue to use ubuntu server [14:10] I should get more involved with the distros I use [14:10] I came here from opensuse after experiencing too much "If you want it to work, buy SLES/D licenses" from Novell/SuSE. [14:10] ya [14:11] I started with RH7 then debian then gentoo then debian again and now a mix of debian/ubuntu [14:12] cor3: if the landscape bits bother you, I suggest you take it up on the mailing lists [14:12] its come up before iirc, but i'd be interested to se it come up again [14:12] red hat, debian, freebsd, ubuntu, debian+fbsd+ubuntu mix now [14:12] (even if it does come up while i'm afk :() [14:14] ubuntu server needs some better docs [14:15] still use gentoo docs for setting up a lot of stuff [14:15] cor3: If you're interested in getting more involved, that's an excellent way to do it. [14:15] New bug: #317109 in openldap2.3 (main) "Apparmour doesnt support use of /etc/ssl/" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317109 [14:15] cor3: sommer <-- Also doens't work for Canonical does the Ubuntu Server guide and is always looking for new inputs. [14:16] I have been thinking about it. One of the common servers I put together is a debian/ubuntu firewall/openvpn and spam filter [14:17] I'm sure I could put together some docs on that process but thats more of specific deployment type doc than anything else [14:17] What configuration do you use for spam filter? [14:18] speaking of spam... [14:18] ScottK: do you use greylisting with postfix, and if so, what software? [14:18] up until recently I have been using exim4 + spamassassin + clamav + razor + dcc + pyzor but I have been working on a postfix + amavisd + postgrey setup [14:19] jdstrand: No. I actually have my mx at a commercial host. They use Postfix with greylisting, but I don't know which one. [14:19] ScottK: or rather, what is the recommended greylisting package for integration with postfix on Ubuntu [14:19] k [14:19] I don't think we have one. [14:19] use postgrey [14:19] I hear good things about postgrey. [14:19] its simple and effective [14:19] I started using postgrey, and it was *super easy* to setup [14:19] jdstrand: None in Main IIRC. [14:19] ScottK: no, I checked [14:20] postgrey seems to work pretty well [14:20] cor3: Also if you have feedback about the default Ubuntu amavisd-new configuration, I'd like to hear that. [14:20] Obviously it has to be somewhat generic, but I want it to be useful. [14:21] I'll have to get back to on it. I am testing the solution before making use of it for my clients but so far it seems to perform better than my previous exim4 setup [14:23] Of course. It has postfix. [14:23] ya big time [14:23] I started using exim4 while working for a previous employer [14:23] they were a debian heavy shop and used exim4 exclusively [14:24] so you go with what you know but I wanted to slim out the install [14:24] spam filtration can be resource intensive [14:25] one of the LTSP devs lives in my city [14:25] we got together for lunch a few years back [14:25] he worked on the ubuntu ltsp integration [14:25] Scott Balneavs is his name if I recall [14:27] Looks like https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav [14:28] thats him [14:28] he was largely responsible for ltspfs too [14:28] * ScottK detatches to experiment with new IRC cilent builds. See you later. === _jmedina is now known as jmedina [16:14] hi! :) [16:14] if i install 8.04 server, where can i tell on what disk it should install grub? [16:14] just askign to make sure i dont miss it [16:15] Ward1983: iirc, you won't be offered that [16:15] ivoks, so can i do that anyway? [16:16] ivoks, else i need to open up my PC, unplug the harddisks except the one i want to install on, afterwards plug them back in and fix my menu.lst :s [16:16] a ton of work [16:16] hm [16:17] its going to install grub where you tell it to partition the fs [16:17] ivoks, i know its possible with ubuntu desktop [16:17] you can, of course, preesed all that [16:17] i think MianoSM is right [16:17] So when you go through the partition manager if you have sda and sdb, if you install on sdb, it should install grub on sdb [16:17] and vice versa [16:17] MianoSM, are you sure? ubuntu allways takes the first disk by default unless you tell it where to install to [16:17] i meant ubuntu desktop [16:17] Right, you are going to have to dictate the partitioning. [16:17] Ward1983: first disk in grub isn't the first disk on OS [16:18] You can change the listing in grub so far as disk order. [16:18] ivoks, i know i did not say that [16:18] ivoks, it allways takes the first disk of the system [16:18] ok thats chinese [16:19] Ward1983: i really haven't been thinking about this [16:19]