[00:50] <nubae> LaserJock: I just installed Quanta... 202mb of dependencies!
[00:50] <LaserJock> yeah, sounds about right, KDE 3 stuff
[01:04] <Ahmuck> http://www.tatteredmoons.org/hugin_svn.html
[01:04] <Ahmuck> :)
[01:05]  * Ahmuck needs to edit the wiki a bit more L/
[01:05] <Ahmuck> :/
[02:18] <LaserJock> dgroos: heah!
[02:18] <dgroos> LaserJock: Howdy do!
[02:19] <LaserJock> dgroos: I wrote a blog post about our discussion: http://laserjock.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/why-we-need-edubuntu-to-succeed/
[02:19] <dgroos> I took your advise about posting to the list (as you obviously know) and got some good answers.
[02:20] <dgroos> Yesss!  I've had an RSS feed to your blog since I found it a few days back so I read it while I was at school today.  Thanks and i second and third your thoughts...
[02:23] <dgroos> Also, thanks for your plug.  It's quite heartening to hear from so many people--I got about 40 hits from your reference :-)
[02:24] <LaserJock> dgroos: good, I was hoping we could send some stuff your way
[02:25] <dgroos> gets me psyched to do better about updating progress on the blog but there is only so much time BUT communication is important...
[02:26] <LaserJock> yeah, I'll be really interested to see how the project progresses
[02:31] <dgroos> I just went back to your site and saw there were now 9 comments!--just 4 the last time I saw.  I'm reading them and will post a comment, then get back here to try to understand the diverse ideas people came up with.
[03:32] <dgroos> OK, so I've got a few new questions now...
[03:34] <dgroos> LaserJock: What are the implications of the 3 methods suggested on your blog?  I do believe in low impact.
[03:36] <dgroos> Also, there were some nice responses to my post to the user-list, but I wasn't able to figure out how to post a response to them--probably a web page but I could only find the archive--help anyone?
[03:40] <dgroos> Finally, I've got a printer issue where I can't add a network printer--very frustrating!  I've got a bunch of screen shots of various configuration screens and error messages but it doesn't seem like they fit on irc.  How is this sharing of info done?  Is there anyone who could help me on this?
[03:40] <LaserJock> dgroos: are you subscribed to the edubuntu-users mailing list then?
[03:41] <dgroos> Yes--by digest
[03:41] <LaserJock> hmm, digests are kinda annoying that way
[03:41] <LaserJock> if you just get the individual messages you can just reply tot he list
[03:42] <dgroos> I see-so I need to change my subscription--got it.  Thanks.
[03:42] <LaserJock> dgroos: I would, it makes it much easier
[03:43] <LaserJock> dgroos: as far as the methods for locking down apps
[03:43] <LaserJock> having some sort of app that would manage the group permissions of the apps could possibly work
[03:44] <LaserJock> it would be a blacklist system where most of the apps would be available
[03:45] <LaserJock> I don't want to be modifying everything, it's kinda of unpredictable what will happen
[03:46] <LaserJock> I think anytime the applications are updated the permissions will be reset as well
[03:47] <dgroos> changed subscription away from digest.
[03:50] <dgroos> So, are you saying that Would could change the group permissions of Firefox to say, "level2" so than only people who were in that group would have permission to access it?
[03:50] <dgroos> Bad typo there...
[03:50] <LaserJock> well, since multiple levels probably need access
[03:50] <LaserJock> I would make a firefox group
[03:51] <dgroos> "Are you saying that one could change..."
[03:51] <LaserJock> and add people from the levels that are allowed to use Firefox to that group
[03:52] <LaserJock> the PATH is a list of directories in which the computer looks for applications
[03:52] <LaserJock> so if I type "firefox" in a terminal it goes looking for it in the PATH directories
[03:53] <dgroos> for example /home/dgroos/Desktop?
[03:53] <LaserJock> but I agree with Frank that it's using a flathead for a phillips screw
[03:54] <LaserJock> yeah, in Linux most applications are found in /usr/bin/
[03:54] <LaserJock> the problem with PATH is that we'd have to figure out a way to do it selectively
[03:54] <LaserJock> and I don't think it'd be that easy
[03:56] <dgroos> Hmmm, thinking minimalisticly,  the key application is Firefox. really, that would get me 80% of the way if there were some way to control who can access Firefox and who can't.
[04:03] <LaserJock> yeah, I think a simple blacklist might be minimally invasive
[04:06] <dgroos> is it simple (read: could I set it up?)?
[04:06] <LaserJock> well, we'd probably want to write a program/script to do it
[04:07] <LaserJock> but if you say wanted to do it just for Firefox it wouldn't be all that hard to do, it's just manual labor right now to arrange something like that
[04:07] <dgroos> What would be involved?  what manual labor?
[04:10] <LaserJock> first you need to change the permissions of Firefox, something like sudo chmod 750 /usr/bin/firefox
[04:11] <dgroos> I could do that...
[04:11] <dgroos> disallowing 'everyone' access, that make sense
[04:12] <LaserJock> then you'd want to create a group, say firefox-perm: sudo groupadd firefox-perm
[04:12] <dgroos> 'k
[04:12] <LaserJock> now you make the group ownership of firefox be firefox-perm: sudo chown root:firefox-perm /usr/bin/firefox
[04:13] <LaserJock> so that means that the root user and anybody in the firefox-perm group can execute firefox
[04:14] <LaserJock> then you could then go to System->Administration->Users and Groups and go to the Groups tab, find firefox-perm, and then you can add/remove people from the group
[04:14] <dgroos> That easy?
[04:14] <LaserJock> that's the "off the top of my head" version
[04:15] <dgroos> As a work around, I could do this for firefox and a limited number of apps--yes labor intensive but I'm kinda desperate to get things up and running.
[04:18] <dgroos> And, I liked MRathburn and Jordan E. idea about trying to get the Sabayon project back on track as a longer term goal...
[04:18] <LaserJock> dgroos: right, sbalneav and I are going to have a brainstorming/bug squashing session tonight to see if we can't get it working
[04:19] <dgroos> :-)
[04:19] <LaserJock> although sabayon doesn't specifically let you prohibit apps I don't think
[04:19] <LaserJock> it'll certainly handle menu changes, etc. but I think we'd still need to implement some sort of permission-tweaking to actually prevent execution
[04:21] <dgroos> thanks LaserJock andsbalneav, I wish I could provide at least moral support tonight but the hour when i turn into a pumpkin is arriving.
[04:21] <LaserJock> heh
[04:24] <dgroos> Maybe I'll hold off on the firefox chown stuff for a couple of days--there are still a couple of other issues, both physical and network before going live for all students and see how your reviving of sabayon is going--let me know if I can help!!!
[04:24] <dgroos> Have a good eve all!
[04:24] <dgroos> and
[04:25] <dgroos> Thanks, LaserJock.
[04:25] <LaserJock> no problemo
[09:46] <Baby> hi there :)
[09:47] <LaserJock> heah
[09:47] <LaserJock> Debian Jr. is a Debian Pure Blend, correct?
[09:47] <Baby> yup, exactly
[09:47] <LaserJock> so do you create an installable CD/DVD?
[09:48] <Baby> I adopted it a couple of months ago, because SynrG is quite busy with Debian Live and Debian eee
[09:48] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:48] <Baby> I plan to create installable media, yes
[09:48] <Baby> I'm gonna rename it to Debian Kids, though
[09:48] <Baby> I don't like how "Debian Jr" sounds :)
[09:48] <LaserJock> for Edubuntu we've  dropped installation media
[09:48] <LaserJock> we have an "addon' CD
[09:48] <Baby> yup, I read it :)
[09:49] <LaserJock> and we're working on sets of "application bundles" which are just metapackages
[09:49] <Baby> I mean, I'm giving a talk next month on both Debian and Ubuntu and it's usage for NGOs and international cooperation
[09:49] <Baby> and I'm talking about edubuntu among other things :)
[09:49] <LaserJock> so we have two primary desktop metapackages, edubuntu-desktop (gnome-based) and edubuntu-desktop-kde (KDE4 based)
[09:49] <LaserJock> awesome!
[09:50] <Baby> yup, it's gonna be the 1st talk I give promoting BOTH Debian and Ubuntu in the same talk :)
[09:50] <LaserJock> from the KDE 4 side I'm interested in how far we can push things like plasmoids and containers for education
[09:50] <Baby> my plan is to develop 3 types of desktop: 6-8 yo, 8-10 yo, 10-14 yo
[09:50] <Baby> aha
[09:51] <LaserJock> we have 4, preschool, primary, secondary, tertiary
[09:51] <Baby> I plan to develop the whole desktop in KDE
[09:51] <LaserJock> right, we're trying to stay fairly neutral
[09:51] <LaserJock> in the sense of focusing on the educational bit rather than the entire OS
[09:51] <Baby> both Linex and Lliurex (Debian derivatives) have a lot of experience designing desktopts for kids, they're educational distributions, and I wanted to get ideas both from them and from the sugar project
[09:51] <Baby> yup I understand
[09:52] <LaserJock> yeah, we're trying to get Sugar going here
[09:52] <Baby> I'm not targeting educational contents, that's the task of Debian Edu/Skolelinux :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> sure
[09:52] <Baby> even though I'm personally interested in educational contents too, btw, but not in the Debian Kids project
[09:52] <LaserJock> but there is some overlap on the lower end of "Education" and "Kids" :-)
[09:53] <Baby> there definitely is, and some overlap with the Games Team too
[09:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:53] <Baby> and with my OpenRating project
[09:53] <LaserJock> that's something we haven't tapped into much yet
[09:53] <Baby> :)
[09:54]  * Baby is founder and one of the admins of the Debian/Ubuntu Games Team
[09:54] <LaserJock> there's some "disagreement" in the education community I think on how far to take games
[09:54] <LaserJock> ah, cool
[09:54] <Baby> what kind of disagreement?
[09:54] <Baby> as to which ones can be used for educational purposes?
[09:54] <LaserJock> kind of yeah
[09:55] <Baby> you might want to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/OpenRating , btw
[09:55] <LaserJock> like if it's not strictly educational it shouldn't be installed at school, etc.
[09:55] <Baby> yup, I understand
[09:55] <Baby> but real teachers do use games in the classroom
[09:55] <LaserJock> oh heah, that's an awesome idea! re: openrating
[09:55] <Baby> I have a huge demand of some games both for Linex and Lliurex
[09:56] <Baby> I have the taxonomy almost finished
[09:56] <Baby> been working for a lot of months on it
[09:56] <Baby> http://www.miriamruiz.es/slides/debian_open_rating_system_2008.pdf
[09:57] <Baby> It's partly in Spanish, but you might get the idea
[09:58] <Baby> nop, sorry, it's almost totally in Spanish
[09:58] <Baby> http://www.miriamruiz.es/openrating/tags.php
[09:58] <Baby> this one os better :)
[09:59] <Baby> it uses DebTags as technological basis, and I plan to embed its usage in the game selection tool GoPlay!
[09:59] <LaserJock> that is pretty thorough, wow
[09:59] <Baby> http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=101   -> quite old blog entry but there is a screenshot
[10:00] <Baby> http://www.miriamruiz.es/img/goplay-1.0_screenshot.png
[10:00] <Baby> I'm working in the next generation, GoFind! , not restricted to games
[10:00] <Baby> and, well, I plan to get rid of FLTK as a widget toolkit in the newer one :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> heh
[10:02] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to sort of get Debian Jr./Debian Edu/Ubuntu sort of more together on some standards type things like that
[10:03] <LaserJock> there's a lot of common interest and even quite a bit of common technology
[10:03] <Baby> yup, I know
[10:04] <Baby> I'll be really willing to move it to a more group-wise development, it would lead to much better results :)
[10:04] <Baby> currently it's in the DebTags SVN repository
[10:05] <LaserJock> are you subscribed to either edubuntu-devel or edubuntu-users?
[10:05] <Baby> both, yup
[10:05] <Baby> I've been there for a lot of time :)
[10:06] <LaserJock> would you mind sending an email to either/both about the openrating stuff and GoPlay! ?
[10:06] <Baby> I think I'm onlu in -users, how strange
[10:06] <Baby> yup of course! :)
[10:06] <LaserJock> and also if you feel like it an email intro of Debian Kids ;-)
[10:07] <Baby> I will, it'll be nice to start cooperating in this too :)))
[10:07] <LaserJock> and what you're looking at doing in the future
[10:08] <Baby> quite a long intro :)
[10:08] <LaserJock> certainly working together with KDE would be excellent
[10:08] <Baby> yup, aaron said he was willing to cooperate and interested :)
[10:08] <Baby> and regarding games, we have veen able to start an inter-distro project for cooperating
[10:09] <Baby> including Fedora, SuSE, BSDs, some upstreams,....
[10:09] <LaserJock> oh good
[10:09] <Baby> it's already working, we're using freedesktop servers
[10:10] <LaserJock> it would be interesting to do more with education on freedesktop
[10:10] <Baby> I think it would be better to send different mails instead of a single big one :P
[10:10] <Baby> for replies :)
[10:10] <Baby> yup, it could be done for education too
[10:11] <LaserJock> things like user management, lockdown, etc. are big issues and  I think it would be helpful to get some broad discussion and perhaps standards
[10:11] <Baby> we're trying to do that for games :)
[10:11] <LaserJock> one could imagine for instance a Education or Younger User user interface guide
[10:12] <LaserJock> sort of like the Gnome HIG but more centered around younger users
[10:13] <Baby> I want to get the knowhow from Linex and Lliurex, as well as as much feedback as I can from kids
[10:13] <Baby> yup
[10:13] <Baby> that would be awesome
[10:22] <LaserJock> Baby: ok, I've sent a post to edubuntu about aseigo's post
[10:22] <LaserJock> and now I need to go to bed (2:30am almost here)
[10:23] <Baby> goodnight!!!
[10:23] <LaserJock> Baby: I'd be interested in how the freedesktop thing works for you
[10:23] <Baby> I'll try to write some mails to the list later :)
[10:23] <Baby> 11:30am here (Spain) :)
[10:23] <Baby> yup :)
[10:23] <Baby> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/games
[10:24] <LaserJock> ah, Spain, I really liked it there
[10:24] <Baby> :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> I've only been once for the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Sevilla
[10:25] <Baby> yup, I know which one :)
[10:25] <Baby> I was really about to go, but finally didn't
[10:26] <LaserJock> it was the best one I've been to
[10:26] <LaserJock> in terms of location
[10:26] <Baby> yup, Sevilla is a nice city :)
[12:06] <morgs> LaserJock: nubae: ejabberd was the only XMPP server that worked at least to some extent with a shared roster, which is what we have been using in Sugar for collaboration. This means you see everyone on the server, which works for small numbers of users, but doesn't scale beyond +-100 users. For Sugar 0.84 we have a better system for managing the people you can see on the server, and I think ejabberd is still the only supported server but it should be
[12:06] <morgs> come possible to use other servers too.
[12:08] <morgs> Collabora doesn't directly support ejabberd, but they have some minimal erlang and have patched it a bit.
[12:08] <morgs> The OLPC patches are in debian and intrepid's ejabberd package, but you need to enable the shared roster in the ejabberd.cfg to use it right now for Sugar.
[16:06] <Ahmuck> gooood morning
[19:01] <Lns> good day all!
[19:01] <LaserJock> hi Lns
[19:02] <Lns> LaserJock: maybe we should modify the topic here to reflect our new initiatives? :)
[19:02] <Lns> hey =)
[19:03] <Lns> Also, just an idea, I think edubuntu and LTSP projects should be involved with GreenPeace to promote green TC computing in schools - they are a huge org and might be able to help us out.
[19:04] <Lns> Im a "member" with GP and they sent me this - if interested, something to look at and ponder how we might be able to collaborate.. http://usactions.greenpeace.org/action/start/230/?session_action=reset
[19:09] <sbalneav> Afternoon all
[19:09]  * Lns waves to sbalneav 
[19:10] <Lns> it's 11:09 here, you're jumping the gun ;)
[19:11] <LaserJock> sbalneav!
[19:11] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[19:11] <sbalneav> Sorry, by the time I got back from Music last night, and kicked off a jaunty install, I was bagged.
[19:12] <LaserJock> np
[19:12] <sbalneav> I'm going to start poking at Sabayon this afternoon
[19:12] <sbalneav> Reading through the source.
[19:14] <Lns> sbalneav: you are AWESOME!
[19:14] <Lns> I'm here to test if necessary
[19:16] <sbalneav> Dude, it'll be at LEAST a couple of days before I even begin issuing patches.  Sabayons... non-trivial :)
[19:20] <LaserJock> to say the least
[19:20] <LaserJock> they really put a lot of work into the thing
[19:21] <LaserJock> I really hate to see it DOA in Ubuntu
[19:21] <Lns> sbalneav: oh yeah, im just saying. Im not expecting any timeframe here, lol
[19:23] <LaserJock> man I'm glad I'm hosting my blog on wordpress.com
[19:23] <LaserJock> it's not a total slashdot effect but my last blog post is on linuxtoday, planet KDE, and digg
[19:23] <LaserJock> I think maybe we struck a cord
[19:30] <LaserJock> sbalneav, stgraber: you guys might be interested in bdmurray's announcement of per/package bug reporting guidelines
[19:32] <sbalneav> Where?
[19:37] <LaserJock> on ubuntu-devel
[19:38] <LaserJock> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027206.html
[19:43] <Lns> LaserJock: Congrats on the exposure!! That is so awesome. We need this momentum. =)
[19:51] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so are you working on sabayon in hardy, intrepid, or jaunty?
[19:56] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Jaunty, I suppose, for the moment, then we'll backport.
[19:58] <Ahmuck> morning LaserJock
[19:59] <LaserJock> hi Ahmuck
[19:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: have you tried running it on Jaunty?
[21:46] <Ahmuck> is there a good linux primer?  i need a one for a student who is helping inthe lab
[21:49] <Lns> Ahmuck: what's the current knowledge of linux by the student? how old is he/she?
[21:50] <Ahmuck> Junior, no knowledge at all
[21:50] <Ahmuck> 15
[21:54] <Lns> hmm.. maybe try the ubuntu tutorials, but if he's helping you out with admin stuff, maybe not
[21:55] <Ahmuck> adding users, passwd reset, etc.
[21:55] <Ahmuck> clearing lp0
[21:57] <Lns> Ahmuck: im sure googling will give you lots of options, might want to see for yourself what would be the best fit..
[22:07] <Ahmuck> i'm doing that.  i recall someone suggested something, i have it in a bookmark somewhere ... *sigh*
[22:10] <calimer-> LaserJock how hard do you think it would be for me, a total newb, to package sandbox?
[22:11] <calimer-> and would I be able to do it on my mandrake distro?
[22:11] <calimer-> I don't mind putting work into it, just an estimation of the time requirement involved
[22:11] <LaserJock> calimer-: for Jaunty, pretty tough I think, and from mandrake it will be particularly difficult
[22:11] <calimer-> I finished teaching my evening class for a bit
[22:12] <calimer-> jaunty is the new edubuntu release right?
[22:12] <LaserJock> you've got a fairly non-standard build system so it might take some tweaking
[22:12] <LaserJock> and then there's all the copyright considerations
[22:12] <calimer-> well the debian free version should be pretty well set on that I would hope
[22:12] <LaserJock> yes, Jaunty is the codename for 9.04 (released in April)
[22:13] <LaserJock> well, but you need to document everything, which can take a little time
[22:13] <LaserJock> not a lot though
[22:13] <calimer-> okay, hopefully I can get it done
[22:13] <LaserJock> a basic package might not take too long
[22:13] <calimer-> getting it in edubuntu is a dream come true, not to sound corny
[22:14] <LaserJock> getting one that'll make it into the archives is what will take more time
[22:14] <calimer-> but I mean the whole goal is to get it to kids and educational facilities
[22:14] <calimer-> what does that mean exactly?
[22:14] <calimer-> and I should really update my  nix drive to ubuntu, haha
[22:14] <LaserJock> well, hacking together something that'll get it installed would be fairly fast
[22:15] <LaserJock> but one that will pass inspection for inclusion into the archives can take some time
[22:16] <LaserJock> you'll want to convert the .zip to a .tar.gz
[22:16] <LaserJock> and rip out all the .exe and .dll files
[22:18] <LaserJock> getting rid of the bin folders would probably be a good idea
[22:24] <calimer-> okay
[22:24] <calimer-> that should be pretty easy actually
[22:24] <calimer-> all the windows related stuff is in one place
[22:25] <calimer-> well, in their own places I should say
[22:25] <calimer-> rip out mac related stuff too?
[22:26] <calimer-> sorry for the delay I was responding to question
[22:27] <LaserJock> the important thing is to take out all the binaries
[22:28] <LaserJock> the os x stuff isn't particularly important as long as it isn't taking up a lot of  space
[22:28] <LaserJock> calimer-: what is needed to build this thing? fromdos I know
[22:28] <calimer-> makefile is what builds the binary
[22:29] <calimer-> oh as far as libraries?
[22:29] <calimer-> sdl I think
[22:29] <LaserJock> glut?
[22:29] <calimer-> going to check, I'm on windows actually :\
[22:30] <calimer-> bad me  I know but I had to install a windows partition for my doom 3 project a while back
[22:30] <calimer-> unfortunately d3radiant didn't work on nix
[22:31] <calimer-> SDL and SDL_Image and SDL_Mixer development libraries
[22:31] <calimer-> I think that is it
[22:31] <calimer-> it would be great if I could fit in updating the codebase and getting those new textures in
[22:31] <calimer-> but maybe I should do that after I have the version already in place ready to go
[22:42] <LaserJock> calimer-: alright, here goes the first build attempt :-)
[22:42] <calimer-> btw I'm going to be changing up the "main" versions license as well to be a bit more friendly
[22:42] <calimer-> probably almost exactly like the license for Lite
[22:43] <calimer-> it is super old anyway, just never had a chance to play with it for a bit
[22:44] <LaserJock> is this normal? fromdos: File read/write error while converting src/enet/docs.
[22:45] <calimer-> probably, I think it might need permissions
[22:45] <calimer-> btw http://kids.platinumarts.net/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_the_source_code
[22:48] <LaserJock> round 2
[22:49] <LaserJock> wahoo, we're building this time
[22:52] <calimer-> :d
[22:52] <calimer-> er :D
[22:56]  * Lns has reverted to offering pizzas to those who can fix bugs he is affected by - such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/19033
[23:01] <alkisg> Lns, do you ship overseas? :P
[23:02] <Lns> alkisg: I will order a pizza in your vicinity and have it delivered.
[23:02] <Lns> Im SO serious about this.
[23:02] <alkisg> Heh... I might give it a try this weekend, then! :)
[23:02] <Lns> cool!
[23:03]  * Lns declares pizza the official currency of open source software
[23:03]  * alkisg is going to see if he can find anything in the fridge...
[23:03] <Lns> damn i need some lunch too.
[23:04] <LaserJock> calimer: where does make install send stuff?
[23:04] <LaserJock> Lns: dude, that's awesome! ;-)
[23:04] <Lns> LaserJock: ?
[23:05] <calimer> it should be in the main folder
[23:05] <LaserJock> Lns: the pizza currency
[23:05] <Lns> oh, hehe
[23:05] <calimer> the top folder I mean
[23:05] <Lns> hey, if it works...
[23:05] <LaserJock> calimer: oh
[23:06] <calimer> wait no in /bin I'm sorry
[23:06] <calimer> /bin/sandbox_client_i686
[23:10] <LaserJock> so we only need sandbox_client and sandbox_server?
[23:11] <calimer> I believe so
[23:11] <calimer> if you mean from the /bin folder
[23:11] <LaserJock> I've got:
[23:11] <LaserJock> cp sauer_client ../bin_unix/native_client
[23:11] <LaserJock> cp sauer_server ../bin_unix/native_server
[23:11] <LaserJock> when I run make install
[23:11] <LaserJock> those are what I want
[23:11] <LaserJock> ?
[23:12] <calimer> yeah
[23:12] <calimer> I'm surprised they didn't go in bin
[23:12] <calimer> maybe hirato just forgot to update the makefile
[23:13] <calimer> you used the makefile in the /src directory right?
[23:13] <calimer> not in the mod/
[23:15] <LaserJock> yeah
[23:15] <calimer> sandbox 2.3 or is it the Lite version?
[23:15] <calimer> ah it is the lite version probably
[23:15] <calimer> okay now it makes sense to me
[23:16] <LaserJock> lite
[23:16] <calimer> yeah that is how it is setup in there
[23:16] <calimer> so we can just toast /bin all together
[23:20] <calimer> I still need to e-mail those motu people as you suggested
[23:42] <LaserJock> calimer: I think I finally got it
[23:42] <calimer> awesome, so what does that mean?
[23:42] <calimer> as in for the packaging part
[23:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[23:52] <LaserJock> wb Baby
[23:52] <Baby> hi! :)
[23:52] <calimer> yey!
[23:52] <calimer> LaserJock she is also interested in helping package sandbox
[23:52] <Baby> I've just discovered PPA :)
[23:53] <calimer> what is ppa?
[23:53] <Baby> it has kept me entertained half the afternoon :P
[23:53] <LaserJock> Baby: heh
[23:53] <LaserJock> calimer: it's a part of Launchpad that allows you to upload package into a person Ubuntu repository
[23:54] <Baby> PPA is the personal packages archive in launchpad
[23:54] <calimer> this is my current thinking
[23:54] <calimer> make sure we can get this version in edubuntu at the very least
[23:54] <Baby> https://launchpad.net/~miry/+archive :)
[23:54] <calimer> and if we have enough time I'd love to update the codebase and the textures
[23:54] <Baby> I think we can :)
[23:55] <calimer> there is this great site I found called openfootage.net
[23:55] <calimer> that has "debian free" textures
[23:55] <calimer> and also the "non debian free" version in would be good but might be more complicated since it has more content
[23:56] <calimer> btw Baby I'm thinking about using the Lite license with the "non debian free" version as well
[23:56] <Baby> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Games/Resources
[23:56] <calimer> wow that is good stuff
[23:56] <calimer> check out openfootage.net sometime too if you're interested
[23:56] <calimer> some great textures on there
[23:57] <calimer> bookmarked :)
[23:57] <Baby> the freedesktop games team is a cross-distro team we made
[23:57] <LaserJock> calimer: ok, so I've got the thing to install
[23:57] <Baby> there's people from almost all Linux and BSD distros
[23:57] <LaserJock> calimer: but it wants texture files
[23:57] <Baby> http://users.alioth.debian.org/~miriam/sandbox/
[23:57] <Baby> I had this started but it was quite long ago
[23:58] <calimer> LaserJock it is typically executed from a script from the main folder
[23:58] <calimer> the top folder
[23:58] <calimer> sandbox_unix
[23:58] <calimer> :D
[23:59] <calimer> so Baby what does that mean is left?
[23:59] <calimer> and anything I can help with?
[23:59] <LaserJock> calimer: hmm, this thing needs more work
[23:59] <LaserJock> your builds system is totally different than how we do things