[00:02] <Ramblurr> Lure:  is libkdcraw included in kipi-plugins?
[00:02] <astromme-laptop> I'm having a crash starting plasma with the RC packages
[00:02] <Lure> Ramblurr: it is pard of kdegraphics, therefore in kubuntu-experimental
[00:02] <Lure> Ramblurr: kipi-plugins will pull it as dependancy
[00:02] <astromme-laptop> Is anyone else experiencing the same?
[00:03] <Lure> astromme-laptop: had that 4-6 hours ago, bot now it started to work - may be some recent update
[00:04] <astromme-laptop> Lure: Are you on a i386 or an amd64 jaunty?
[00:04] <Lure> astromme-laptop: amd64/jaunty
[00:04] <astromme-laptop> I just re-installed this system from scratch an hour ago >_>
[00:05] <Lure> astromme-laptop: do you update from archive.ubuntu.com or from mirrors (that may be behind)?
[00:06] <astromme-laptop> Lure: archive.ubuntu.com
[00:06] <Lure> then I do not know what it may fixed it for me
[00:06] <astromme-laptop> my kdebase-workspace-bin is Version: 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2
[00:06] <Lure> astromme-laptop: same here
[00:07] <astromme-laptop> Lure: and libplasma3 is Version: 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1
[00:07] <Lure> same
[00:08] <Lure> astromme-laptop: did you tried to start it from konsole to see what it writes on it?
[00:08] <astromme-laptop> yeah, I have a backtrace here: http://rafb.net/p/3uLKb758.html
[00:09] <astromme-laptop> no error on the console except for "application crashing"
[00:09] <astromme-laptop> Lure: What is your .kde/share/config/plasmarc (and other related files)
[00:26] <Ramblurr> Lure: hah, digikam 0.10.0-beta doesn't show images
[00:38] <tvakah> kmail's unusable here with the new 4.1.96 packages, goes down with a sigabrt whenever I try to send a message
[00:38] <tvakah> /build/buildd/kdepim-4.1.96/kmail/kmmsgbase.cpp:1035: off_t KMMsgBase::getLongPart(KMMsgBase::MsgPartType) const: Assertion `sizeOfLong == len' failed.
[00:45] <ScottK> tvakah: What architecture are you on?
[00:45] <tvakah> amd64
[00:46] <tvakah> seems to have been a botched mail directory tho, I nuked ~/.kde/share/apps/mail and everythings fine now ( I'm an imap user so no pain in nuking local folders, the only thing lost was the unsent message in outbox )
[00:46] <tvakah> after nuking mail, I can send a test message, rewriting the original to see if there's something wonky again
[00:46] <ScottK> amd64 only finished building recently.  Depening on mirror lag and such you may not have all the 4.1.96 packages yet.
[00:48] <tvakah> I'm intrepid pulling the ppa fwiw
[00:48] <tvakah> I'd be on jaunty, but I need nvidia driver and all that noise
[00:50] <tvakah> just rewrote and sent the message, went fine this time, can't reproduce it, oh well :-/
[00:50] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: I'm using nvidia 180 on jaunty. I have to use the -ignoreABI option when starting X but it seems to be working fine. I'm using Kwin effects and wine 3d apps
[00:51] <tvakah> astromme-laptop: oh nice, how'd you force the install, equivs or manually from nvidia?
[00:52] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: It's now in jaunty repos (180).
[00:52] <tvakah> astromme-laptop: and doesn't provide the old conflicting package name?
[00:52] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: Doesn't seem to
[00:52] <tvakah> nice, I think it's upgrade time then
[00:52] <torkiano> I can't connect to my Gtalk account with kopete 4.2rc, someone else?
[00:53] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: Are you on amd64 or i386?
[00:54] <astromme-laptop> I'm having a crazy plasma crash issue on amd64
[00:54] <tvakah> astromme-laptop: amd64
[00:54] <tvakah> how crazy?
[00:55] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: Like plasma crashes before it starts... I'm trying to debug it now. Something in the corona (so core stuff.... gah!) doesn't happen with my i386 machine
[00:55] <seele> astromme-laptop: when did you upgrade?  there was a problem with python-kde4 that got fixed
[00:55] <ScottK> Someone else was here having amd64 trouble earlier.
[00:56] <seele> oh, amd64
[00:56] <astromme-laptop> seele: Today, just an hour or two ago
[00:56]  * ScottK waves at LaserJock.
[00:56] <seele> didnt LaserJock have that problem
[00:56] <ScottK> yep
[00:56] <seele> ScottK is on the ball
[00:56] <astromme-laptop> ScottK: Did he resolve it?
[00:56] <seele> hoo wee this coffee is strong.  even after cream and syrup
[00:56] <ScottK> astromme-laptop: No.
[00:58] <LaserJock> I'm still not sure what's going on
[00:58] <LaserJock> I can't start X via X&
[00:59] <LaserJock> but I can start KDM ok
[00:59] <ScottK> LaserJock meet astromme-laptop.   astromme-laptop meet LaserJock.  Maybe together you can figure it out ...
[00:59] <ScottK> ;-)
[00:59] <LaserJock> I log in, it shows part of the splash, then goes black
[00:59]  * ScottK wonders if nixternal has bothered to upgrade.
[00:59] <ScottK> He also has amd64
[00:59] <LaserJock> I check if plasma is started but it's not
[01:00] <tvakah> thankfully I don't really need plasma for anything but a wallpaper, so it's not even close to being a showstopper if it goes down in flames for me *upgrades with disregard*
[01:00] <seele> ScottK: i think nixternal is worried about collecting enough newspapers to burn for warmth
[01:00] <LaserJock> well, I get nothing
[01:01] <tvakah> but I'll let ya'll know just how many plasma pieces I have on the ground after I upgrade this amd64 box
[01:01] <astromme-laptop> yes, I get same thing....
[01:01] <astromme-laptop> I have a backtrace
[01:01] <astromme-laptop> URL: http://rafb.net/p/3uLKb758.html
[01:01] <LaserJock> astromme-laptop: what kind of video card?
[01:01] <torkiano> someone trying digikam from experimental PPA?. My digikam crash on startup: digikam: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libdigikamcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN6Marble12Ma
[01:02] <astromme-laptop> LaserJock: Intel
[01:02] <LaserJock> same here
[01:03] <tvakah> say umm, is the "acpi" package no longer used in jaunty?
[01:04] <astromme-laptop> X3100 with -intel drivers?
[01:06] <LaserJock> I don't think I have an X3100
[01:06] <LaserJock> lspci claims: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[01:07] <astromme-laptop> LaserJock: Same, they're the same card
[01:07] <LaserJock> k
[01:07] <LaserJock> so perhaps it's a driver issue then
[01:08] <astromme-laptop> LaserJock: Perhaps... crashing on c->initializeLayout();
[01:08] <astromme-laptop> c is Corona
[01:16] <ScottK> I guess no one fixored kdesdk?
[01:21] <astromme-laptop> LaserJock: So looking at the backtrace it seems to be crashing in http://rafb.net/p/v6StL482.html
[01:23] <LaserJock> I see
[01:23] <vorian> ScottK: i'll take a look at it
[01:47] <astromme-laptop> Ooh, a new kdebase-runtime-data.... maybe that'll fix the crash....
[02:01] <vorian> ScottK: i have a fix for kdesdk if you are about
[02:22] <torkiano> Digikam crash on startup: I follow thi http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/420#comment-18128 and I installed marble-data but nothing changes
[02:54] <vorian> nixternal: can you look at a fix for kdesdk?
[02:54] <nixternal> I can look at it quickly
[02:54] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/fix_man.diff
[02:55] <nixternal> working on a project that I have to get done soon :)
[02:55] <vorian> ah, nevermind then
[02:55] <nixternal> have to build the packages before I can move forward, so I can look at the diff now
[02:55] <vorian> sweet
[02:56] <vorian> it's the smallest change i think i've ever made
[02:56] <nixternal> now why did I have to look at that diff?
[02:56] <vorian> because i'm not a core-dev
[02:57] <vorian> sdk is FTBFS on all arch's except for amd64
[02:57] <nixternal> how did this get missed before the upload that is now FTBFS?
[02:57] <vorian> no idea
[02:57] <vorian> what's even weirder is it actually built on amd64
[03:02] <nixternal> vorian: that is because the amd64 package didn't build kdesdk-scripts or even attempt to build it
[03:04] <vorian> hmm, happend on my system too
[03:10] <vorian> nixternal: actually it did just build on my system
[03:10] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/105037/
[03:10] <nixternal> give me a debdiff and I will upload for you
[03:10] <vorian> i just did
[03:11] <nixternal> ahhh, silly tiling hid that from me
[03:12] <vorian> hold a sec
[03:12] <nixternal> you found something else?
[03:12] <vorian> no
[03:12] <vorian> i was making a proper debdiff :)
[03:12] <nixternal> no need to
[03:12] <jjesse> evening :)
[03:12] <nixternal> howdy jjesse
[03:13] <vorian> thanks nixternal
[03:13] <vorian> hi jjesse
[03:13] <nixternal> vorian: give me the go ahead and I will press the little red dput button
[03:13] <jjesse> hello vorian
[03:13] <vorian> nixternal: fire away
[03:13]  * vorian pushes revision
[03:14] <nixternal> I love how I can just upload a 6MB file in 9 seconds
[03:14] <vorian> that is awesome
[03:14] <nixternal> Successfully uploaded packages.
[03:14] <vorian> thanks
[03:14] <nixternal> np, thanks for fixing that
[03:14] <nixternal> time to start chopping off fingers for missing that kind of stuff :)
[03:14] <vorian> hehe
[03:14] <nixternal> that's why I test build on both i386 and x86_64
[03:15] <nixternal> then again, I guess compared to a few, I would be considered quite anal, as I don't only test build on multiple platforms, but I also test installs, updates, and removals...and then do quick regression testing
[03:16] <nixternal> I may spend an extra 30 minutes, but at least I know it won't kill a install
[03:16] <DaSkreech> I always thought you were anal
[03:16] <nixternal> shove it
[03:16] <DaSkreech> see? :)
[03:16] <seele> wow.. i skipped over a few key words and read that very wrong
[03:17] <DaSkreech> seele: You too huh?
[03:17] <vorian> ha!
[03:17] <jjesse> not the first time  :)
[03:17] <nixternal> thanks seele
[03:17] <nixternal> the peanut gallery is on fire tonight
[03:18] <jjesse> nope we are just paying more attention
[03:18] <nixternal> maybe I will throw you all into my fireplace to keep me warm tonight ;)
[03:18] <nixternal> muhahahahahaha
[03:18] <nixternal> I love our weathermen this week
[03:18] <nixternal> we were supposed to have a blizzard on monday...we got a light dusting at the most
[03:18] <DaSkreech> I love mine :)
[03:18] <jjesse> nixternal: i was laughing at the poor weather man for the weather channel that was standing next to lake michigan holding up a thermoter the camera was trying to focus on
[03:18] <DaSkreech> Looks a lot like hot sun and no rain
[03:19] <jjesse> now you know you havea crappy job
[03:19] <nixternal> then last night they tell us we should only get another dusting to 2 inches of snow
[03:19] <nixternal> we got 7
[03:19] <nixternal> now they are telling us -2f for a high tomorrow with -20 to -40f windchills (-40c for you silly folks)
[03:19] <nixternal> and snow tonight...does it ever end?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> It does in negril :)
[03:19] <jjesse> in detroit this week, its slightly warmer
[03:19]  * DaSkreech taunts
[03:19] <nhandler> Well, hopefully they are wrong about the temperature. I want warm weather
[03:19] <nixternal> nhandler: I am with you
[03:20] <nixternal> you are in BG right?
[03:20] <nixternal> I can never remember
[03:20] <nhandler> Yes nixternal
[03:20] <nixternal> how was your snow today?
[03:20] <nixternal> it snowed the entire day downtown
[03:20] <nhandler> It wasn't too bad. But I did need to clean off the driveway (a few inches)
[03:20] <nhandler> The worst part was the blowing wind
[03:20] <nixternal> I looked out, saw the sun, and was like hell ya, lets go for a walk...by the time I got downstairs, it was snowing again
[03:21] <nixternal> i measured the driveway before snowblowing tonight, just over 7"
[03:21] <nixternal> thankfully it was a really light powder though, so it took me no time to clear the drive
[03:23] <nhandler> We just got a new snow blower. It went right through the piles of snow without any problems
[03:24] <jjesse> i pay someone to plow my driveway
[03:24] <jjesse> so i don't worry about it
[03:24] <ScottK> vorian: If you're still up and need sponsoring I can do kdesdk.
[03:24] <nixternal> real men clean their own driveway
[03:24] <nixternal> ScottK: to late :)
[03:24] <vorian> ScottK: nixternal got it for me
[03:24] <ScottK> Excellent.  That's one thing.
[03:24] <nixternal> ass
[03:24] <jjesse> nixternal: real men make enough money to pay others to do it for them
[03:25] <vorian> ScottK: also, amarok is done
[03:25] <nixternal> jjesse: real men keep their money and buy beer with it
[03:25] <ScottK> vorian: Good to hear.
[03:25] <vorian> it's been a fun day
[03:25] <nixternal> no it hasn't!
[03:25] <vorian> haha
[03:25] <jjesse> no it hasn't
[03:26] <jjesse> no internet at the client site means i spend all night catching up on work email :09
[03:26] <nixternal> hahaha, today in our scrum meeting, my boss (Andy) was in it...this is my portion of the scrum:
[03:26] <nixternal> I started the USB, then Andy interrupted me and had me work on some silly little thing, then I started USB, and then Andy interrupted me again....I did that about 10 times
[03:27] <nixternal> and then it was Andy's turn, and I interrupted him and said "Bugged Rich and Dusty all day" :)
[03:27] <nixternal> booyah, hope he got that through his little micro-management skull
[03:27]  * DaSkreech misses nixternal's Booyahs
[03:28] <nixternal> d'oh!
[03:29] <nixternal> I see I have written a fairly large chunk of badly broken code...was supposed to clean my db, well it took it from 5GB to just over 23GB :p
[03:29] <nixternal> was wondering why it ran for so long, now I know
[03:41] <ScottK> Any suggestions on what to kick off the CD if it's oversize again?
[03:42] <nixternal> *gtk* :p
[03:42] <DaSkreech> How much oversize?
[03:43] <ScottK> Dunno yet.
[03:43] <nixternal> why are we having such an oversize issue with jaunty?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Cause Ubuntu sucks
[03:43] <nixternal> well, Ubuntu seems to always be within the 1 CD limit
[03:43] <jjesse> firefox
[03:43] <DaSkreech> So do we
[03:43] <ScottK> I already kicked PIM and Amarok off for Alpha 2.
[03:43] <nixternal> I have noticed on a few daily images that it was mid 700's
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Seemingly so
[03:43] <ScottK> No Firefox on Kubuntu CD
[03:43] <DaSkreech> kdelibs4 ?
[03:44] <nixternal> lol
[03:44] <ScottK> Not yet.
[03:44] <jjesse> kdebase?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> I thought that Firefox was on the CD?
[03:44] <nixternal> just give people the kernel
[03:44] <ScottK> Nope
[03:44] <jjesse> the kernel?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Isn't it part of the Windows apps?
[03:44] <nixternal> that is what I would remove
[03:44] <DaSkreech> The OpenCd or FOSS CD or whatever?
[03:44] <jjesse> kick the windows apps off then
[03:44] <nixternal> wubi and whatever else
[03:44]  * ScottK considers.
[03:44] <jjesse> anything packaged by nixternal?
[03:44] <jjesse> how about the documentation?
[03:44] <nixternal> though, that is part of the ISO QA
[03:45] <nixternal> documentation souldn't be all that large since there are no translations in it
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Do we really need plasma and kwin ?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[03:46] <nixternal> what needs mysql again? is that still on there?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal:  read the Ars write up on Qt Qiking it to GTK ?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Amarok
[03:46] <DaSkreech> I think
[03:46] <ScottK> Everything that needs mysql is punted.
[03:47] <ScottK> Akonadi too which is why PIM is punted.
[03:47] <nixternal> anything that needs mysql should never get put back on
[03:47] <ScottK> It may come to that for space reasons.
[03:47] <DaSkreech> kdelibs? :0
[03:47] <nixternal> if people don't know how to allow multiple db backends, then it isn't ready
[03:47] <ScottK> It's a feature, not a bug.
[03:48]  * ScottK considers word processing the only office suite function that has to stay on the CD.
[03:48] <ScottK> I'll probably trim OOo first.
[03:49] <nixternal> ScottK: true, but who is doing word processing in an alpha release?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Oooh OO.o
[03:49] <nixternal> we really need to be testing the base more so than the silly 3rd party apps right now
[03:49] <ScottK> Yeah, well it's the chunk of it that sucks the least and gets used the most.
[03:50] <nixternal> I would get rid of OO.o over KDEPIM
[03:50] <DaSkreech> When Koffice ships perhaps
[03:50] <nixternal> don't hold your breath
[03:50] <ScottK> Except it wasn't just KDEPIM.  It was PIM/Akonadi/Mysql.
[03:50] <nixternal> though I have always preferred KOffice over everything else
[03:51] <nixternal> is Akonadi ever going to get plugins for other db's?
[03:51] <ScottK> Dunno.
[03:51]  * ScottK just buries his head in the sand and pretends it's not there.
[03:51]  * ScottK likes his Maildirs.
[03:51] <nixternal> lol
[03:52] <nixternal> aren't the maildirs still there even with akonadi?
[03:52] <nixternal> I need something to eat...I am starving
[03:52] <nixternal> brb
[03:53] <ScottK> Dunno for sure.  My understanding is it's all in a pretty database and I needn't worry my pretty little head about it because it will be perfect and never lose my data.
[04:16] <nixternal> ScottK: just so you know, the dist-upgrade is better than it was last night...running it right now to see what I get
[04:16] <nixternal> this is pretty much a default install I am doing it on as well
[04:16] <ScottK> Great.
[04:16] <ScottK> Except kdesdk amd64 is all built now.
[04:16] <ScottK> Did LaserJock ever figure out what was up with his install?
[04:17] <nhandler> I don't think so ScottK
[04:17] <nixternal> there were no lasers installed
[04:17] <LaserJock> ScottK: looks like maybe a driver problem or maybe a bug in ... something, astromme_ was looking into it last I heard
[04:17] <ScottK> OK.
[04:17] <nixternal> launchpadlib is a pretty cool python library
[04:18] <nixternal> or package rather
[04:18] <vorian> i just lost plasma
[04:18] <nixternal> vorian: sudo apt-get install transfusion
[04:18]  * ScottK hands vorian the plasma bucket.
[04:18] <vorian> :/
[04:18] <nixternal> sounds like a disease to me, not a bug
[04:18] <vorian> it's both
[04:19] <vorian> kwin's still kick'n though with compositing and everything
[04:22] <ScottK> Somone want to port debconf to use Perl QT4 bindings so libqt-perl can go to universe.
[04:25] <nixternal> something crashed during the upgrade...and didn't tell me what it was
[04:25] <nixternal> but like vorian....I don't have plasma :)
[04:26] <ScottK> When I upgraded 4.1.3 to 4.1.4 I had about a bazillion crash on logout when I restarted after the upgrade.
[04:26] <ScottK> Since then - fine.
[04:26]  * ScottK knocks wood.
[04:27] <nixternal> ScottK: what's up with bluez? is it working in kde4 yet? if not, that might be something to look at for space
[04:27] <ScottK> Nope.
[04:27] <ScottK> Already punted.
[04:27] <ScottK> It actually turns out we may have some free space.
[04:27] <ScottK> alternate came in under.  Still waiting for live.
[04:28] <vorian> i just re-booted, all is hunky dory
[04:28] <nixternal> ya, rebooting now
[04:28] <astromme-laptop> I looked into it... still have no idea
[04:28] <nixternal> bluetooth on a laptop is a waste :)
[04:28] <nixternal> bluetooth is a waste to be honest
[04:28] <astromme-laptop> The furthest I got was... a backtrace that pointed to a function and no more
[04:28] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: I hope you're kidding....
[04:28] <nixternal> haha, I love when that happens
[04:29] <nixternal> astromme-laptop: not kidding at all actually...I despise bluetooth
[04:29] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: I <3 my bluetooth. Laptop -> Nokia N78 -> AT&T 3G plan == goodness internet wherever
[04:29] <astromme-laptop> bluetooth as medium? terrible... but a local small wireless standard? great...
[04:30] <nixternal> guess I can give you that
[04:30] <nixternal> vorian: post reboot == !hunky dory
[04:30] <astromme-laptop> Ok, back to the crash...
[04:31] <astromme-laptop> http://rafb.net/p/3uLKb758.html is the backtrace. http://rafb.net/p/v6StL482.html is the function
[04:31] <vorian> sorry nixternal
[04:32] <ScottK> Looks very computer sciency.  Maybe nixternal will fathom it.
[04:32]  * nixternal removes ~/.kde and tries again
[04:32]  * ScottK suspects interference from his Windows 7 beta install.
[04:33] <nixternal> nope, still dead
[04:33] <nixternal> I don't even get a plasma crash
[04:33] <nixternal> I just get the "black screen of death" and a mouse cursor
[04:33] <nixternal> and krunner
[04:34] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: I get that as well. Open up konsole
[04:34] <ScottK> That sounds like about what LaserJock was getting.
[04:34] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Then try starting plasma
[04:34] <ScottK> and astromme-laptop
[04:34] <astromme-laptop> it sounds exactly what I'm getting
[04:34] <astromme-laptop> you'll see the "it probably crashed" text
[04:34] <astromme-laptop> if you want to get a backtrace, run "gdb plasma" and then "run --nofork -nocrashhandler"
[04:35] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Are you on amd64 or i386?
[04:35] <nixternal> amd64
[04:35] <astromme-laptop> ok, we're all on amd64
[04:35] <astromme-laptop> Do you have an intel card? (mine is a 965/X3100)
[04:36] <nixternal> yup
[04:36]  * vorian is on amd64 and has plasma
[04:36] <astromme-laptop> Hmm.... 2 bits of similarities
[04:36]  * vorian has intel
[04:36] <astromme-laptop> vorian: 4.2RC?
[04:36] <nixternal> hrmm, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty
[04:36] <vorian> of course
[04:36] <vorian> :P
[04:37] <astromme-laptop> vorian: kdelibs5: Version: 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1
[04:37] <astromme-laptop> ?
[04:37] <vorian> some of the kdebase-runtime packages just have been published
[04:37] <astromme-laptop> kdebase-runtime-data? I just got those... still crash
[04:38] <astromme-laptop> Oh, an even newer one...
[04:38]  * astromme-laptop scurries off to try
[04:39] <astromme-laptop> nope, still crash
[04:39] <vorian> might be helpful to remove mysql-server-5.1 until the next version of amarok rolls out
[04:40] <nixternal> dpkg -l kde* | grep ^ii
[04:40] <nixternal> everything is 4:4.1.96
[04:42] <vorian> nixternal: it's the kdm
[04:42] <vorian> no
[04:42] <vorian> nevermind
[04:43] <nixternal> nope, it is the intel driver
[04:43] <vorian> jaunty or intrepid?
[04:43] <nixternal> astromme-laptop: cat /var/log/kdm.log
[04:43] <nixternal> Jaunty
[04:43] <vorian> weird
[04:44] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Yuck...
[04:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Mail client ?
[04:44] <vorian> i havent updated my system until tonight
[04:44] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Looks like the driver, yuck yuck yuck
[04:44] <astromme-laptop> lots of ../../../libdrm/intel/intel_bufmgr_gem.c:664: Error setting memory domains 901 (00000040 00000000): Interrupted system call .
[04:44] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/105046
[04:44] <nixternal> astromme-laptop: yup
[04:45] <astromme-laptop> ok, so can I downgrade this driver for now? I'm unfamiliar with how to do that with apt
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Anyone has IMAP in kmail ?
[04:45] <astromme-laptop> DaSkreech: Yes, I have DIMAP
[04:45] <vorian> astromme-laptop: i have those errors too
[04:45] <astromme-laptop> 5 mailboxes of it infact
[04:45] <DaSkreech> It crashes for me in RC as soon as it starts to pull mail
[04:45] <astromme-laptop> vorian: And you have plasma?
[04:45] <nixternal> hahaha...my damn kwin effects sill kind of work
[04:45] <astromme-laptop> DaSkreech: Haven't tried RC yet
[04:45] <nixternal> went to the top left accidentally and everything scaled
[04:45] <vorian> astromme-laptop: yep
[04:46] <DaSkreech> astromme-laptop: Ok expect crashes :)
[04:46] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Mine all work perfectly. Just no desktop...
[04:46] <astromme-laptop> DaSkreech: Not good! I need my emails >_>
[04:46] <astromme-laptop> I'll know _not_ to upgrade my desktop when I get back to uni in a few days
[04:47] <nixternal> wth is ORD camp? my CEO just left me a message and wanted to know if I was interested
[04:48] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/plasma_on_intel.png
[04:48] <astromme-laptop> xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.5.1-1ubuntu7?  and uname -r 2.6.28-4-generic?
[04:48] <nixternal> Be Prepared to Demo or Speak. The attendees at this conference are also the presenters.  You've been selected because we think you have something interesting to say or show the other folks at the conference.
[04:48] <nixternal> oh my, what has he gotten me into
[04:48] <astromme-laptop> vorian: What intel card do you have?
[04:49] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Lol!
[04:49] <vorian> 965
[04:49] <nixternal> wth
[04:49] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/fun/kubuntu-devel.html
[04:49]  * astromme-laptop has the same.. X3100
[04:49] <nixternal> I have the G31
[04:49] <nixternal> whatever the hell that is
[04:49] <vorian> yeah, i have a t61
[04:49] <vorian> it's a love machine
[04:50] <ScottK> vorian: Please could the next KDE is really cool screenshot (and it is a great screenshot) not have FIrefox in it?
[04:50] <astromme-laptop> I have the X61tablet. Beautiful compact machine
[04:50] <LaserJock> astromme-laptop: so you think maybe downgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel might work?
[04:50] <vorian> ScottK: sure :)
[04:50] <vorian> ScottK: it was a spur of the moment thing
[04:50] <astromme-laptop> LaserJock: Dunno.... it seems that vorian has the same card as us though, and he has a working plasma
[04:51] <LaserJock> ScottK: but FF is the bestest ever!!!!1!
[04:51] <astromme-laptop> vorian: What's your kernel version and xorg video driver version?
[04:51] <nixternal> umm
[04:51] <nixternal> astromme-laptop: aptitude changelog xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:51] <vorian> astromme-laptop: all the newest jaunty provided
[04:51] <nixternal> is your version different than the one installed in the changelog?
[04:51] <vorian> i have ZERO update pending
[04:51] <vorian> lol
[04:52] <vorian> yes, we kept the good packaging for ourselves :P
[04:52] <ScottK> LaserJock: FF is the most free of the non-FOSS browsers.
[04:52] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Yes mine is ubuntu7 not ubuntu9
[04:52] <nixternal> right
[04:52] <nixternal> wth is that all about?
[04:53] <vorian> ScottK: ok, I'll stick with konq for one week and see if i can switch
[04:53] <LaserJock> ScottK: or is it the most non-free of the FOSS browsers?
[04:53] <ScottK> vorian: I still use both, but I find I use FF only a little.
[04:53] <nixternal> FF is the bestest ever memory hog!
[04:53] <ScottK> LaserJock: Perhaps.
[04:53] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Dunno... earlier I had a similar thing... I could see the 4.1.96 package of kdebase-workspace-bin in the repo but I couldn't upgrade to it and apt said no upgrades....
[04:53] <nixternal> epiphany + webkit ftw!
[04:53] <astromme-laptop> Meh..... Konqueror + KHTML here
[04:53] <LaserJock> I can't stand konqi or epiphany :(
[04:54] <ScottK> Mostly what I use too.
[04:54] <astromme-laptop> vorian: Are you on the latest as shown in the changelog? ubuntu9?
[04:54] <ScottK> I am like FF3 better than 1.5 or 2.
[04:54] <vorian> lemme see
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Final Fantasy 3 was much better than 2
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I really disliked final fantasy 2
[04:55] <LaserJock> oh wow, I'm on linux today, nifty
[04:55]  * astromme-laptop is confuzzled
[04:55] <ScottK> nixternal: How big is the binary for kubuntu-docs?
[04:55] <nixternal> vorian: so set me straight here...you have jaunty, intel, amd64, and don't have the problems we are having right now?
[04:56] <nixternal> ScottK: should only be a couple of meg right now
[04:56] <vorian> astromme-laptop: xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.5.1-1ubuntu9) jaunty; urgency=low
[04:56] <vorian> nope
[04:56] <astromme-laptop> the plot thickens....
[04:56] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: X broked?
[04:56] <astromme-laptop> how do you have ubuntu9 when I can only seem to get ubuntu7?
[04:57] <vorian> astromme-laptop: you have broken dependancies
[04:57] <DaSkreech> He's in the 9er club
[04:57] <vorian> did you dist-upgrade?
[04:57] <astromme-laptop> Regardless... I don't think that should matter, as the changelog doesn't show anything pertaining to my setup
[04:57] <astromme-laptop> vorian: yes
[04:57] <vorian> hmm
[04:57] <astromme-laptop> "sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[04:58] <LaserJock> and we're all pulling from the same mirror?
[04:58] <vorian> i never use aptitude whilst running alpha stuff
[04:58] <vorian> i'm on the main archive, thanks to some advice from ScottK
[04:58] <astromme-laptop> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ is my mirror
[04:58] <astromme-laptop> is that the main archive?
[04:58] <LaserJock> k, so that's not it
[04:59] <astromme-laptop> vorian: Why not aptitude?
[04:59] <LaserJock> aptitude's too smart
[04:59] <astromme-laptop> O.O
[04:59] <LaserJock> it can really screw you over trying to help :-)
[04:59] <vorian> it pulls in things you may not want while in alpha
[05:00] <vorian> Linux vorian 2.6.24-21-virtual - Cpu0: AMD Opteron 2188MHz; /: 7.6G(f=4.0G); Up: 2d+1:42; Users: 1; Load: 0.01;
[05:00] <astromme-laptop> ok, with that aside, what's different between our systems.... I did a fresh install of ubuntu today. Minimal jaunty install and then "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:01] <astromme-laptop> You're on the 2.6.24 kernel? I'm on 2.6.28
[05:01] <vorian> astromme-laptop: nope, that's my server
[05:01] <astromme-laptop> vorian: ok, lol
[05:01] <vorian> i was silly thinking sysinfo would work :P
[05:01] <nixternal> hahaha, I do that all of the time
[05:03] <astromme-laptop> vorian: can you post your ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* files?
[05:03] <vorian> whoa, we just met
[05:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:03] <vorian> aren't you going to at least buy me dinner?
[05:04] <ScottK> OK.  I'll put docs back in first then.
[05:04] <vorian> ok
[05:04] <vorian> plasmarc
[05:04] <vorian> [PlasmaViews][1]
[05:04] <vorian> Alignment=132
[05:04] <vorian> Offset=0
[05:04] <vorian> panelMode=0
[05:05] <astromme-laptop> http://rafb.net/paste ?
[05:05] <astromme-laptop> do you have a plasma-appletsrc or similar?
[05:05] <vorian> astromme-laptop: yep, getting it now
[05:05] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/105048/
[05:07]  * astromme-laptop has plasma!
[05:07]  * astromme-laptop did not have plasma without those two files
[05:08] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Try those 2 files
[05:08] <DaSkreech> those to files should be auto created
[05:08] <astromme-laptop> DaSkreech: I agree
[05:08] <nixternal> DaSkreech: right, that is why I removed ~/.kde
[05:08] <astromme-laptop> But plasma is choking on something
[05:08] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Same, I removed mine
[05:09] <astromme-laptop> wow, the panel sure does look more and more beautiful with every release
[05:11] <nixternal> astromme-laptop: yes, I have plasma again
[05:11] <nixternal> that is...ummm....silly
[05:11] <astromme-laptop> yes, quite
[05:11] <nixternal> I have knetworkmangler icon in a small window in the top left too
[05:12] <astromme-laptop> Plasma seems to be choking on creating its corona (desktop view)
[05:12] <nixternal> heh, everything is crashing
[05:12] <nixternal> plasma, nepomuk, and something else that I couldn't see
[05:12] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: Lol.... I've switched to the plasmoid. Although its really really buggy, it's less so than knetworkmanager
[05:13] <nixternal> I have a desktop, I don't even need knetworkmangler
[05:13] <DaSkreech> oooh new Koffice
[05:13] <astromme-laptop> nixternal: oh, heh
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Dowe have packages?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> and do they screw up anything?
[05:14] <astromme-laptop> Yeah, koffice packages tended to screw things up for me before.....
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Pretty much but I love playing around with them
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Wait Koffice is on a monthly release cycle?
[05:17] <astromme-laptop> DaSkreech: monthly alpha/beta release cycle... they're just snapshots of progress
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Neat! So do we package them?
[05:19] <astromme-laptop> whoops... same thing as before:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-back.png', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen
[05:19] <astromme-laptop> that's in koffice-data-kde4
[05:22] <vorian> test
[05:23] <astromme-laptop> grrr....   amarok: Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.0.1.1-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[05:23] <astromme-laptop> amarok-common is 2.0.1.1-0ubuntu3
[05:23] <vorian> astromme-laptop: give it a bit longer
[05:23]  * seele yawns
[05:23] <astromme-laptop> vorian: Still building?
[05:24] <vorian> i just uploaded 2.0.1.1-0ubuntu4
[05:24] <astromme-laptop> Yikes!
[05:24] <vorian> yikes indeed
[05:25] <vorian> astromme-laptop: well, like 2 hours ago
[05:25] <astromme-laptop> E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/a/amarok/amarok_2.0.1.1-0ubuntu4/changelog
[05:25] <astromme-laptop> E: Couldn't find a changelog for amarok
[05:25] <astromme-laptop> ?
[05:25] <vorian> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok
[05:25] <ScottK> nixternal: You doing release notes?
[05:26] <nixternal> ooh damn, I forgot about that...when are we releasing?
[05:26] <vorian> tommorow!
[05:26] <nixternal> early or late though? what's the word?
[05:27] <ScottK> When it's ready.
[05:27] <vorian> heh
[05:27] <ScottK> It's the one time we're like Debian.
[05:27] <nixternal> lol
[05:27] <ScottK> nixternal: kubuntu-docs and kmail go back on the CD.
[05:27] <ScottK> kubuntu-docs still ancient though.
[05:27] <vorian> ScottK: kmail seem broken atm
[05:28] <ScottK> nixternal: We got KDE 4.2 RC1 and then in Universe (need testing) we'll want people to install and look at quassel and amarok 2.
[05:28] <vorian> (and chokoq)
[05:28] <vorian> err
[05:29] <vorian> choqoK
[05:29] <ScottK> vorian: We aren't aiming that at Main for this release.
[05:29] <astromme-laptop> releasing?
[05:29] <vorian> ah
[05:29] <ScottK> astromme-laptop: Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 3.
[05:29]  * astromme-laptop nods
[05:30] <astromme-laptop> interesting.. http://launchpad.net/+builds shows the amd64 build machines idle
[05:30] <vorian> oooh,
[05:30] <vorian> ScottK: just figured out why kmail is borked
[05:31] <ScottK> Why?
[05:31] <vorian> mysql-server 5.0
[05:31] <vorian> it would have built before the migration
[05:31] <ScottK> What about it?
[05:31] <ScottK> Actually that'd be Akonadi.
[05:32] <vorian> hmm
[05:33] <DaSkreech> !info choqok
[05:33] <DaSkreech> !info choqok jaunty
[05:34] <ScottK> Looks like Akonadi was built before 5.1 was in, so it should be OK.
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Oh neat
[05:34] <DaSkreech> vorian: Whats the point of that?
[05:35] <vorian> DaSkreech: it's for folks who like using twitter/identi.ca w/o using the web interface
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Doesn't KDE shipp with a plasmoid for that?
[05:35] <vorian> kind of
[05:36] <ScottK> vorian: You might try rebuilding akonadi locally and see if it's better.
[05:36] <LaserJock> astromme-laptop: so did we end up with a workaround?
[05:37] <vorian> ScottK: it actually had been booted somehow from my system
[05:37] <vorian> i was able to reinstall it fine
[05:37] <DaSkreech> vorian: What's the kind of
[05:37] <ScottK> Odd.
[05:38] <astromme-laptop> LaserJock: Yes, use somone elses plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc
[05:38] <vorian> the plasmoid is a plasmoid, this is a free floating do-hicky
[05:38] <astromme-laptop> vorian, nixternal: aseigo says that the backtrace screams of a plasmoid compiled for an earlier libplasma
[05:39] <vorian> astromme-laptop: ScottK apachelogger and i rebuild every plasmoid yesterday
[05:39] <ScottK> Well we rebuilt them all against the new release.
[05:39] <astromme-laptop> vorian: Where is the default applets loaded stored?
[05:39] <astromme-laptop> is there a conf file somewhere?
[05:40] <astromme-laptop> with the kubuntu customizations?
[05:40] <LaserJock> ScottK: even on amd64?
[05:40] <vorian> we ship them straigh up, for the most part
[05:40] <ScottK> LaserJock: Good point.
[05:41] <LaserJock> because we had to rebuild some
[05:41] <LaserJock> s/some/kdebase-workspace, etc./
[05:41] <ScottK> But I'm pretty sure kde4libs was built and that's where plasma lives.
[05:42] <astromme-laptop> ScottK: Not for the desktop plasmoids
[05:42] <LaserJock> plasma was in kdebase-workspace on my machine
[05:42]  * astromme-laptop nods at LaserJock
[05:42] <LaserJock> at least I didn't have it until I installed it
[05:42] <ScottK> astromme-laptop: Right, but the point is the libplasma we built against was the new one.
[05:42]  * ScottK looks at vorian.
[05:43] <vorian> i don't understand
[05:43] <vorian> oh no
[05:43] <ScottK> nixternal: Since you have amd64 and you're an hour west of vorian and I, could you take over looking into this?
[05:43] <aseigo> hello people with the crashing plasmas
[05:43] <ScottK> aseigo: Hello.
[05:43] <vorian> hi aseigo
[05:43] <astromme-laptop> hello
[05:43] <aseigo> if you're all getting that same backtrace, i can make the hunting and searchig much easier for you:
[05:43] <ScottK> We did rebuild all our plasmoids yesterday.
[05:43] <ScottK> OK.
[05:44] <aseigo> flushPendingConstraints does not call sceneEventFilter
[05:44] <ScottK> We just may have some architecture skew.
[05:44] <nixternal> ScottK: not tonight...need to finish up these release notes and hit the sack
[05:44] <ScottK> Argh.
[05:44] <vorian> ScottK: i can stay up for a bit
[05:44] <ScottK> Ah.  Great.
[05:44] <aseigo> in fact, it so happens that when you see that it means that a widget was built against a different libplasma than the one installed
[05:45] <aseigo> in particular the last BIC change to libplasma (just prior to the rc iirc) ... the installed libplasma will have that change, and the widget will have been built against the earlier version of it
[05:45] <DaSkreech> hi aseigo
[05:45] <nixternal> oh no, you guys brought aseigo in here
[05:45] <aseigo> i can guarantee you that with 100% confidence =)
[05:45] <ScottK> OK.  So we rebuild them again.
[05:45] <vorian> nod
[05:45] <aseigo> so .. make sure that *all* widgets are built against the *current* libplasma
[05:45] <aseigo> and your problems will go away
[05:45]  * astromme-laptop chuckles at nixternal
[05:45] <DaSkreech> aseigo: While on the subject
[05:45] <ScottK> aseigo: Thanks.  We thought we'd done that, clearly not.
[05:46] <aseigo> sorry for the inconvenience of that last BIC change, but it was the cleanest way to fix a particular sort of bug and after 4.2.0 we can not make such changes anymore
[05:46] <DaSkreech> aseigo: My friend on Slack builds trunk and since Monday he's been getting plasma crash right after it starts a qstardict engine ?
[05:46] <aseigo> ScottK: remember that there are widgets in kdebase/apps, kdebase/workspace, kdeplasma-addons and then a few in kdeedu and elsewhere. though if it's hitting the default set up, it's most likely folderview that didn't get a rebuild.
[05:46] <ScottK> OK.
[05:47] <astromme-laptop> I will add that I have folderview up atm
[05:47] <aseigo> DaSkreech: he needs to generate a backtrace and then file a report on bugs.kde.org =)
[05:47] <astromme-laptop> not crashed
[05:47] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Any thing in that ring a bell?
[05:47] <aseigo> ScottK: oh, and is kubuntu shipping that .. quicklauncher or whatever..?
[05:47] <astromme-laptop> I'm guessing it's the quick folder access plasmoid
[05:47] <DaSkreech> aseigo: I think he did but I have no clue what calls qstar-dict
[05:47] <ScottK> quicklauncher
[05:47] <astromme-laptop> aseigo: Yeah, that's what I was thinking
[05:47] <aseigo> quick access! right
[05:47] <aseigo> yes, that's not in kde's packages, so yes.. i just remember you guys ship that in the defaults
[05:47] <aseigo> astromme-laptop: try adding that to your current layout?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Quick access is great
[05:48] <astromme-laptop> bam crash
[05:48] <astromme-laptop> aseigo:  nail on the head
[05:48] <DaSkreech> it's a really nice showcase for KDE :)
[05:48] <ScottK> plasmoid-quickaccess - just checked the CD seeds
[05:48] <aseigo> ta-dah!
[05:48] <vorian> is anyone here running anything other than amd64, perchance?
[05:48] <aseigo> ok, rebuild that package and life will be rosy again
[05:48] <astromme-laptop> aseigo: thanks
[05:48] <nixternal> vorian: I run them all
[05:48] <ScottK> vorian: Aren't you?
[05:48] <aseigo> that is all. *hugs*
[05:48] <ScottK> Thank you
[05:49] <vorian> ScottK: i run amd64
[05:49] <ScottK> Oh.
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Who was that masked coder?
[05:49] <vorian> and i am not having these problems
[05:49] <astromme-laptop> DaSkreech: lol
[05:49] <astromme-laptop> vorian: Add the quickaccess plasmoid
[05:49] <vorian> i am using it
[05:49] <astromme-laptop> do you get a crash?
[05:49] <ScottK> All the people that had trouble have been on amd64, so I'm going to assume i386 is fine.
[05:49] <astromme-laptop> interesting...
[05:49] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/plasma_on_intel.png
[05:50]  * nixternal is starting to think he is not the best person to be doing release notes...as he is just sitting here looking at the sections wondering wth to write
[05:50] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you at least sponsor the main rebuilds?
[05:50] <vorian> look next to the kicker
[05:50] <nixternal> I can sponsor them first thing in the morning...I have to be up at 4am for an archive re-org conference call :(
[05:50] <astromme-laptop> vorian: I don't see it
[05:51] <nixternal> they are getting me up before I get up for work dangit
[05:51] <vorian> ok, hold on
[05:51] <astromme-laptop> vorian: not quicklaunch, quick access
[05:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Too late.  Need them done now.
[05:51] <nixternal> gimme the debdiffs and ensure they aren't crack
[05:51]  * seele rubs her eyes
[05:51] <nixternal> don't have time to build, just upload
[05:51] <seele> aseigo was in #kubuntu-devel?
[05:51] <ScottK> vorian: Please be making debdiffs.
[05:51] <ScottK> seele: he was
[05:52] <vorian> ScottK: sure thing
[05:52]  * ScottK passes the Kubuntu RM hat to Vorian.
[05:52] <ScottK> vorian: You need to talk to slangasek in #ubuntu-release about the status and when they are all uploaded.
[05:52] <vorian> ScottK: ok
[05:53] <vorian> astromme-laptop: http://machine-crusade.net/quick.png
[05:53]  * astromme-laptop wonders if this is the morning for seele
[05:53] <ScottK> vorian: slangasek said he can sponsor some too nixternal gets too tired.
[05:53] <vorian> ok
[05:54] <astromme-laptop> vorian: Sounds like you're busy so don't worry about it now... but that's the quicklaunch plasmoid. The quickaccess lets you click and have a folder
[05:54] <tvakah> so the network manager plasmoid makes things asplode, but other than that jaunty's treated me well so far
[05:55] <tvakah> oh and, I had to disable the bootup splash or I got a bunch of grpahic garbage during boot
[05:55] <ScottK> Good night all.  Good luck.
[05:55] <astromme-laptop> Anyways, I'm heading out for the night as well. Thank you for persisting and helping to figure out what the problem was
[05:55] <vorian> nn
[05:57]  * LaserJock hugs #kubuntu-devel
[05:57] <vorian> ok
[05:58] <vorian> where to start
[05:58] <astromme-laptop> ?
[06:01] <tvakah> is the network manager plasmoid working for anyone?
[06:03] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: Yeah, it was for me
[06:03] <tvakah> astromme-laptop: hmm
[06:03] <astromme-laptop> You have to configure it and then reload the plasmoid (remove and re add it)
[06:03] <tvakah> astromme-laptop: it seems to make things break into many pieces here
[06:03] <astromme-laptop> are you working from a svn build of it or is there a package?
[06:03] <tvakah> nope latest jaunty
[06:03] <astromme-laptop> there's a package?
[06:04] <tvakah> dunno, all I know is I had it after aptitude had doen its magic ;)
[06:04] <tvakah> I have kubuntu-experimental ppa enabled too so that may be it ;)
[06:05] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I can't write them this time I'm camping all tomorrow
[06:05] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: You might be running into the same problem as us.... where it was built against an older version of plasma. Does it crash your plasma? (black desktop for a moment)?
[06:05] <nixternal> i am writing them now
[06:05] <tvakah> network-manager-kde=1:0.7svn887517~2.19-0ubuntu1~ppa2
[06:05] <tvakah> yeah that sounds about right
[06:05] <tvakah> at least I was able to get my interface up by adding an automatic config through the kcm for it
[06:05] <tvakah> since I have to stop the kded module to beable to run gnome's nm-applet otherwise
[06:06] <astromme-laptop> oh wait
[06:06] <astromme-laptop> are you using something that sits in your system tray or a plasmoid?
[06:06] <tvakah> the backend part of it works fine, just not the plasma interface
[06:06] <tvakah> there is a "Networks" plasmoid
[06:07] <astromme-laptop> Yeah... that was buggy for me. It's not even close to ready, and it's sure not supposed to be released with 4.2
[06:07] <tvakah> aforementioned ppa package has /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-networkmanager.desktop
[06:07] <tvakah> right, time to downgrade to jaunty's version then hehe
[06:08] <tvakah> which is still the old kde3 version D:
[06:09] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha3/Kubuntu
[06:10] <tvakah> amarok2 eh? did the -common package finally make it up? ;)
[06:12] <tvakah> ( amarok-common is unavailable at least here on amd64 )
[06:14] <astromme-laptop> tvakah: Same... give it some time.
[06:14] <vorian> nixternal: quickaccess http://paste.ubuntu.com/105059/
[06:22] <nixternal> if that wiki page needs updates, it is now up to you :) I am going to help vorian, and get 2 more commits in for work, and then make sure my presentations for Saturday and ORD Camp are ready and backed up
[06:25] <astromme-laptop> ok, for reals now... night all
[09:47] <doc__> hi there
[11:45] <Riddell> live CD seems to be working
[12:20] <ghostcube> hi coders :) is there anything known about faulty 64 bit 4.1.4 update packages or not all bnuilded till now i have probs with the update
[12:20] <Riddell> they may not all have compiled yet
[12:20] <Riddell> they hadn't yesterday
[12:21] <ghostcube> hmmm ok that may explain it i have big bugs after installing the ones available tillnow
[12:22] <ghostcube> thx Riddell
[12:26] <NCommander> so kde4libs is fixed
[12:26] <NCommander> Why is it KDE breaks just around the time of freeze
[12:26] <NCommander> :-/
[12:32] <jussi01> NCommander: theres this guy called Murphy, and he has a law....
[12:32]  * NCommander beats jussi01 
[12:32] <jussi01> :P
[12:32] <ghostcube> isnt he a robot :O
[12:32] <ghostcube> heh
[12:35] <ghostcube> bye guys and girls
[12:35] <ghostcube> :D
[12:49] <Lure> why installing amarok wants to remove akonadi?
[12:49]  * Lure wants kmail and amarok at the same time
[12:51] <Riddell> presumably some clash in mysql 5.0 and 5.1
[12:57] <Lure> Riddell: looks like, not sure how to get around...
[12:57] <Lure> anybody using amarok at all?
[12:59] <Riddell> we need to jiggle around the mysql packages until they work for us
[12:59] <Riddell> once this alpha is out of the way that's what I'll be looking at
[13:09] <ghostcube> hmm ok ScottK told me the 64 bit packages are all done as it seems is there anything known then about bugs inside the 4.1.4 64 bit packages from proposed
[13:10] <ghostcube> cause they didnt work as expected here
[13:10] <Riddell> ghostcube: what's the problem?
[13:10] <ScottK> Lure: Because you can't co-install mysql 5.0/5.1.  vorian has details.
[13:11] <Lure> ScottK: thanks, will ask vorian when around
[13:11] <ghostcube> Riddell, hmm ok lets start first i get an crash report at start of kde and i cant tell umore cause kde crash handler cant tell me anything about
[13:11] <vorian> Lure: its a long sad twisted story
[13:11] <ghostcube> then the systemsettings >> sound  isnt working anymore just not opening
[13:11] <ghostcube> amarok2 isnt opening
[13:11] <Lure> vorian: isn't it always? ;-)
[13:12] <ghostcube> and the system windows of kde like settings or dolphin doesnthave any deco if i enable compiz
[13:12] <vorian> kmail uses akonadi and mysql-server 5.0
[13:12]  * Lure is not sure if he wants to bother and rather wait with amarok ;-)
[13:12] <vorian> amarok uses mysql-server 5.1
[13:12] <Lure> vorian: but embedded, right?
[13:12] <vorian> the two versions are not co-installable
[13:13] <Lure> vorian: oh, that is the root cause - I thought it is co-installable in limited way
[13:13] <vorian> Lure: yes, but for now it also depends on mysql-server-5.`
[13:13] <vorian> 5.!
[13:13] <Lure> 5.1, got it ;-)
[13:13] <vorian> bleh
[13:13] <ghostcube> Riddell, worked all fine till 4.1.3 and yesterday i updated :D
[13:13] <ghostcube> then boom
[13:13] <ghostcube> :|
[13:14] <ghostcube> may i can provide an gdb for systemsettings moment
[13:15] <ghostcube> Riddell, crash handler for systemsettings >> sound
[13:15] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/361429
[13:16] <apachelogger> aye
[13:16] <apachelogger> ghostcube: install libxine1-dbg
[13:16] <apachelogger> kdebase-runtime-dbg
[13:16] <apachelogger> kdebase-workspace-dbg
[13:16] <apachelogger> and kdelibs5-dbg if it doesn't get pulled in
[13:16] <apachelogger> then get a new backtrace
[13:16] <ghostcube> ok
[13:17] <ghostcube> 700 mb uffz
[13:17] <ghostcube> ok
[13:18] <ghostcube> i will tell when iam finioshed lol takes a bit
[13:19] <Riddell> just installed 4.1.4 on my amd64, no crashes, system settings sound works fine
[13:19] <ghostcube> hmmm
[13:19] <Riddell> doesn't mean I don't believe you :)
[13:20] <ghostcube> lol
[13:20] <ghostcube> no prob it just strange
[13:20] <ghostcube> have u installed gstremer backend ?
[13:20] <Riddell> nope
[13:20] <ghostcube> hmmm
[13:20] <ghostcube> i have
[13:21] <ghostcube> all damn plugins too for gstreamer could this be an prob oo
[13:21] <apachelogger> what is a live usb creator?
[13:21] <ghostcube> ??
[13:21] <Riddell> could be
[13:21] <apachelogger> does it pop out usb sticks?
[13:21] <ghostcube> no idea m,aybe the boot up tool
[13:21] <ghostcube> for making livecds on sticks
[13:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you must know, you triaged the bug :P
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: creates custom images of ubuntu for USB sticks
[13:21] <ghostcube> heh
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that a windows app?
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> yay, it's that xine translation bug
[13:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't think so but I've never looked into it, just heard it discussed at UDS (they want to expand it to non-USB images too)
[13:22] <apachelogger> hm
[13:23] <apachelogger> if it was not available for $notubuntu it would be rather pointless IMHO
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube: bug 290768
[13:23] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna, outch
[13:23] <apachelogger> I mean, it certainly has it's use cases, but not very many of them without being available outside ubuntuland
[13:29] <Tm_T> who will package newest libmsn?
[13:29] <Tm_T> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=106043
[13:29] <Tm_T> beta3 released
[13:29] <apachelogger> bug 317298
[13:29] <apachelogger> won't fix?
[13:29] <Tm_T> I would do it but I'm very busy with school next 2 weeks
[13:30] <apachelogger> quoting wikipedia:
[13:30] <apachelogger> While floppy disk drives still have some limited uses, especially with legacy industrial computer equipment[1], they have now been largely superseded by USB flash drives, CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs.
[13:30] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you could find some new minion
[13:30] <apachelogger> we are running low on them, everyone is become motu nowadays
[13:30] <Tm_T> apachelogger: IMO it's not needed these days, KFloppy that is
[13:30] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ouch
[13:30] <apachelogger> +1
[13:31] <ScottK> The only argument I'd have against wontfix is that sometimes your system is borked, you need the floppy to fix it.
[13:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: when your system is borked kfloppy isn't of much use either ;-)
[13:31] <Tm_T> ScottK: and KFloppy installed by default will help how?
[13:32] <ScottK> Depends on the borkage.
[13:32] <apachelogger> besides, prefered way for repairs is alternate CD anyway
[13:32] <apachelogger> or live as well nowadays
[13:32] <Tm_T> ScottK: many, I mean, MANY new computers doesn't even have floppy drive
[13:32] <ScottK> Agreed.
[13:32] <ScottK> Most of the reasons you might need it are a lower level than KDE, so nevermind.
[13:33]  * apachelogger removed the last floppy drive in 2002
[13:33] <apachelogger> was making silly noise when truning on the PC :)
[13:33]  * ScottK still has them in all his boxen, but can't recall the last time he actually used it.
[13:33] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I still have floppy on every pc around here
[13:34]  * ScottK high fives Tm_T.
[13:34] <Tm_T> my own laptop has only floppy, no cdrom
[13:34] <ghostcube> me too
[13:34] <ghostcube> its easier to flash bisos with an old dos floppy
[13:34] <ghostcube> :D
[13:34] <Tm_T> I have never have flashed bios
[13:36]  * apachelogger never flashed bios with floppy
[13:36] <apachelogger> I think one couldn't do that with modern boards anyway.
[13:36] <Tm_T> all devices I have flashed, doesn't have bios
[13:36] <apachelogger> USB or CD sounds more like it
[13:36] <apachelogger> or a special storage reserved for flash-upon-reboot
[13:36] <ghostcube> apachelogger, sure my asusu p5q-pro has floppy
[13:36] <ghostcube> :D
[13:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Did you get inspired on release notes?  I have something to add, so please point me at the draft.
[13:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Also I totally get what you mean about being sick of snow.  It snowed here last night.  I think we got an entire quarter inch.
[13:39] <apachelogger> that said
[13:39]  * apachelogger has more ninja documentation
[13:39]  * apachelogger couldn't sleep due to too much coffee
[13:40] <ghostcube> heh i pased my exam today 2 times 3,3 lol
[13:40] <apachelogger> markey: also got your guide for packaging almost ready
[13:40] <ghostcube> yeah only two to go
[13:42] <markey> apachelogger: oi, that's nice :)
[13:42] <markey> apachelogger++
[13:42] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:42] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pling
[13:42] <ghostcube> apachelogger, http://pastie.org/361443
[13:42] <ghostcube> have fun
[13:42] <Nightrose> apachelogger: plong
[13:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: got time to check a blog post for boringness?
[13:44]  * apachelogger wrote some pretty weird stuff yesterday ^_^
[13:44] <Nightrose> need to head out to spanish lesson in a few but 5 mins should be doable
[13:44] <Nightrose> send it over
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: if you're an openoffice expert now, fancy porting the Qt/KDE native widgets to Qt/KDE 4? :)
[13:46] <apachelogger> ghostcube: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175407
[13:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: I would need 30 years of openoffice hacking to become an expert ;-) ... I don't think I'll have time to do the porting though
[13:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/blog.txt
[13:48] <Nightrose> looking
[13:49] <Nightrose> s/new hot stuff/hot new stuff ;-)
[13:50] <Nightrose> s/prbably/probably
[13:50] <Nightrose> s/or leave a comment/leave a comment
[13:50] <Nightrose> rest looks good to me :)
[13:50] <apachelogger> is it interesting
[13:51] <Nightrose> as interesting as it can get imho
[13:51] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:51] <apachelogger> well
[13:51] <apachelogger> I need a buzzword title
[13:51]  * ScottK almost never ever sees his wallpaper.
[13:51]  * apachelogger neither
[13:51] <Tm_T> I do oftentimes
[13:51]  * Nightrose just turned on automatic wallpaper switching in plasma
[13:51] <apachelogger> I get annoyed by it anyways
[13:51] <ScottK> Of course with wotm, then it'd be a suprise every time.
[13:51] <Nightrose> aka slideshow
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that would mean you have to get the wallpapers first
[13:52] <ghostcube> apachelogger, also wirklich ein übersetzungsfehler ?
[13:52] <Nightrose> i have a huge dir with wallpapers
[13:52] <ghostcube> also mi den locales
[13:52] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:52] <apachelogger> ghostcube: jo ... hab ja gesagt xine is schuld :P
[13:52]  * apachelogger is always right
[13:52] <ghostcube> son scheiss
[13:52] <ghostcube> soory
[13:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well then :P
[13:52] <Nightrose> anyway... gotta get ready for class
[13:52] <Nightrose> spanish \o/
[13:53] <apachelogger> maybe we can publish a wotm collection with every release
[13:53] <apachelogger> last 12 wotm's
[13:53] <apachelogger> or maybe 2 packages, each 6
[13:57] <ScottK> So how much have we updated Hardy?  Just doing a test here and when I install kubuntu-desktop on top of a minimal system only 6 of 187 packages don't come from hardy-updates.
[13:58] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:58] <apachelogger> poor hardy users
[14:03] <ghostcube> apachelogger, but this xine bug will get fixed or oO
[14:04]  * ScottK notices asiego blogged and is glad it's not a "How I fixed Kubuntu" blog.
[14:04] <Tm_T> ScottK: who is asiego?
[14:04] <ScottK> Aaron Siego.  Big time KDE dev
[14:04] <apachelogger> ghostcube: if you report it I would say so
[14:04] <ScottK> http://aseigo.blogspot.com
[14:04] <Tm_T> ScottK: aah, Aaron Seigo (:
[14:05] <Tm_T> ScottK: ie ei, you fooled me there
[14:05] <ScottK> ie/ei, ...
[14:05] <ScottK> Sorry
[14:05] <ghostcube> apachelogger, i dont have an launchpad signin
[14:05] <ghostcube> :|
[14:05] <Tm_T> sorry too, bit tired so...
[14:05] <ghostcube> cananyone file it for me
[14:05] <vorian> ghostcube: it's easy to sign up
[14:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: I would have done a "How I fixed half of Kubuntu before Aaron knew it was broken" blog :P
[14:05] <ghostcube> not another bug login :| vorian i have bugzilla and trac and ..
[14:06] <ghostcube> ;(
[14:06] <apachelogger> stop whining
[14:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: you wouldn't
[14:06] <ghostcube> damn why are there so many bug trackers
[14:06] <ghostcube> :D
[14:06]  * apachelogger has 36 BTS accounts
[14:06] <vorian> i always think people should file their own bugs
[14:06] <ScottK> ghostcube: Launchpad will rule the world, so you may as well join in.
[14:06] <Tm_T> exactly, there's so many bug trackers because others don't use launchpad yet
[14:06] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I sure would
[14:07] <ScottK> Well it's help if it was FOSS.
[14:07] <vorian> soon enough ScottK
[14:07] <ScottK> vorian: Not all.
[14:07] <vorian> meh, for got the 'not'
[14:08] <vorian> we are going opensource!!!! (in 63 months)
[14:08] <apachelogger> we are, the product is not :P
[14:08] <apachelogger> they are fooling us
[14:08] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[14:08] <apachelogger> go
[14:08] <apachelogger> read
[14:08] <apachelogger> learn
[14:08] <apachelogger> enhance
[14:08] <ScottK> Well they are comitted to open the bug tracker and other stuff, but the non-web U/I parts of Soyuz are excluded.
[14:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I cannot, I'm blind
[14:09] <apachelogger> omg
[14:09] <apachelogger> bad vodka?
[14:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've learned not to read things I get over the interwebs that promise enhancement.
[14:09] <Tm_T> no
[14:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: just not enough sleep
[14:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: haha :D
[14:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: that was more meant like "you go enhance it becuase apachelogger doesn't care" ;-)
[14:10] <ScottK> Right, but it was funnier my way.
[14:11] <ghostcube> wait where should i file the bug
[14:11] <ghostcube> on bugs.kde.org ?
[14:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: you always say that :P
[14:11] <vorian> what is the link to the release notes?
[14:11] <ScottK> Gotta get a new line I guess
[14:11] <apachelogger> ghostcube: launchpad
[14:12] <apachelogger> or maybe lunchpad
[14:12] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+filebug
[14:12] <apachelogger> from now on I shall only call it lunchpad
[14:12] <ScottK> Just to be uber helpful.
[14:12]  * ScottK doesn't know how to make an umlaut on his en_US keyboard.
[14:13] <apachelogger> ü
[14:13] <apachelogger> copy that in a text document and save it as umlauts.txt
[14:13] <Tm_T> haha
[14:14] <apachelogger> you'll get the other ones on demand
[14:14] <Tm_T> ÅÄÖåäöøæœ
[14:14] <ScottK> Is Bug #290768 the same one?
[14:14] <ghostcube> should i say that systemsettings sound crashes for me and then attach the kde crash handler ? or any other wishes for sdesribing
[14:14] <ghostcube> lol
[14:14] <ghostcube> bad typos
[14:15] <ghostcube> ScottK, i dont know apachelogger sayd yes
[14:15] <ghostcube> so i dont know why to file another one maybe to say still not fixed in 4.1.4 ?
[14:15] <apachelogger> ghostcube: OI sent you a bug report
[14:16] <apachelogger> did you read it?
[14:16] <ScottK> ghostcube: Because it's not part of KDE, so 4.1.4 is irrelevant.
[14:16] <apachelogger> Vir describes quite precisely what the problem is
[14:16] <apachelogger> considering it is a trivial one anyway
[14:16] <ghostcube> ScottK, but this startet with update last night
[14:16] <ghostcube> the error i mean
[14:16]  * ScottK waits for apachelogger's SRU.
[14:16] <ghostcube> it worked fine in 4.1.3
[14:16] <ScottK> Dunno.
[14:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: the cause is trivial the fix is not
[14:16] <ghostcube> iam a bit confused
[14:17] <ghostcube> :D
[14:17] <ScottK> OK.  Me too.
[14:17]  * ScottK needs coffee and to do some $WORK
[14:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, same bug
[14:17] <ghostcube> so apachelogger this thing i get since the update is related to the bug you showed me ?
[14:17] <apachelogger> yes
[14:17] <ghostcube> but why does it start first with the update
[14:18] <ghostcube> that is what confuses me
[14:18] <apachelogger> dunno, don't care
[14:18] <apachelogger> not worth investigating
[14:18] <apachelogger> backtraces do not lie
[14:18] <ghostcube> heh ok
[14:19] <ghostcube> so i will file it as another bug report for 4.1.4 ?
[14:19] <apachelogger> why?
[14:19] <ghostcube> ok then i dont need to create login lol
[14:19] <ghostcube> :D
[14:19] <apachelogger> export LANG=C.UTF-8 && amarok
[14:19] <apachelogger> if you run that amarok should start properly and play tha music
[14:20] <ghostcube> uffz
[14:20] <ghostcube> :D
[14:20] <ghostcube> working lol
[14:20] <ghostcube> _O_
[14:21] <apachelogger> bug 316388
[14:21] <ghostcube> is this the same for systemsettings
[14:21] <apachelogger> :D
[14:21] <apachelogger> ghostcube: yes
[14:21] <apachelogger> ghostcube: I recommend you change your system language to en_US and just make your desktop speak german
[14:22] <ghostcube> cann i add this lang c export to the environment
[14:22] <apachelogger> ghostcube: you can change your lang in environment
[14:22] <apachelogger> which would have the same effect anyway
[14:26] <ghostcube> wow apachelogger this is effecting something else too
[14:26] <ghostcube> :O
[14:26] <ghostcube> if i start this  LANG=C.UTF-8 && dolphin
[14:26] <ghostcube> dolphin gets decos from compiz
[14:26] <ghostcube> this problem is deeper
[14:29] <nixternal> Riddell: did Canonical pick up a KDE dev or did they drop the job?
[14:29] <Riddell> nixternal: still in process
[14:29] <nixternal> groovy
[14:42] <lool> Folks, I have a translation update causing crashes in libxine1 apps
[14:42] <lool> In intrepid
[14:42] <lool> It might italian only, but I'm not sure
[14:42] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/temp1.png
[14:42] <lool> Is this a SRU regression?
[14:42] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/temp2.png
[14:43] <ghostcube> lool, hmm no not only italian if its the same as i have
[14:43] <ghostcube> :D
[14:43] <lool> Hmm not only italian
[14:43] <lool> ghostcube: Since when?
[14:43] <nixternal> i hate my damn server
[14:43] <ghostcube> 4.1.4 update intepid
[14:43] <lool> ghostcube: Update of?
[14:43] <ghostcube> 4.1.3
[14:43] <lool> KDE?
[14:43] <ghostcube> yes
[14:44] <ghostcube> it affects some kde apps too in strange ways the locales german causing them to crash
[14:44] <ghostcube> apachelogger, gave me a fix for this in terminal may try it
[14:44] <lool> ghostcube: Can you confirm that downgrading phonon-backend-xine to an older version than 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 helps?
[14:45] <ghostcube> lool, i have still 4.1.4 and not working i havent downgraded
[14:45] <ghostcube> lool, what app is crashing ?
[14:45] <lool> ghostcube: Could you downgrade to 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu6?
[14:46] <lool> ghostcube: Err sorry I'm lost
[14:46] <lool> ghostcube: Is it crashing for you right now?
[14:46] <ghostcube> yes
[14:46] <lool> ghostcube: What version of phonon-backend-xine do you have?
[14:46] <lool> dpkg -l phonon-backend-xine
[14:46] <lool> dpkg -l phonon-backend-xine | cat
[14:46] <ghostcube> 4:4.1.4-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[14:46] <lool> That's from -proposed
[14:47] <ghostcube> yope
[14:47] <lool> Did it crash with 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 from -updates?
[14:47] <ghostcube> nope
[14:47] <lool> Can you confirm by downgrading to this version that the crash goes away?
[14:47] <ghostcube> hmm it worked fine till yesterday on 4.1.3 so i dont know if it will work again
[14:48] <lool> sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-xine=4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[14:48] <ghostcube> wouldnt this remove the 4.1.4 ones ?
[14:48] <Tm_T> nope
[14:48] <lool> It will tell you, I hope not
[14:48] <Tm_T> wouldn't
[14:48] <Tm_T> shouldn't I mean
[14:49] <ghostcube> ok iam downgrading to test
[14:50] <ghostcube> no changes still apps not starting
[14:50] <ghostcube> but iam not sure if its the same problem we talking about
[14:50] <lool> ghostcube: Perhaps you need to log off and back in?
[14:51] <ghostcube> ah could be lol
[14:51] <lool> ghostcube: Check whether running "LC_ALL=C amarok" from a terminal works
[14:51] <ghostcube> export LANG=C.UTF-8 && amarok works
[14:52] <lool> ghostcube: And if you don't export it still crashes?
[14:52] <ghostcube> in the 4.1.4 will bebaack
[14:52] <ghostcube> havent relogged
[14:52] <ghostcube> moment
[14:52] <lool> Ok
[14:58] <ghostcube> no way
[14:58] <ghostcube> not starting this is not only phonon-backend for me that seems to be doing an lc error
[14:58] <ghostcube> dolphin too and systemsettings
[14:59] <ghostcube> the export command works fine so far for all apps crashing
[15:00] <ghostcube> as i sayd startet for me with 4.1.4 lool
[15:00] <ghostcube> and seems not to go away by downgrade
[15:00] <ghostcube> :|
[15:00] <lool> ghostcube: Did you upgrade any langpack recently?
[15:00] <ghostcube> thats a good question
[15:03] <ghostcube> but now that i see this here i remember a friend of mine has the 4.2 rc1 on an german localed system there are the same errors with dolphin and systemsettings not getting compiz decos if u dont set the export path
[15:03] <ghostcube> i havent testet amarok2 there
[15:08] <lool> So it seems it's not a regression of the langpacks
[15:08] <ghostcube> no
[15:08] <lool> I checked the langpacks, it's actually a but in intrepid which we released with
[15:08] <lool> But it's exposed by an update
[15:08]  * vorian wonders if it's compizconfig-backend-kconfig
[15:08] <ghostcube> and i havent had it before thats the starnge thing i had a fresh intrepid install then pushed it to 4.1.3 all on german locale worked fine
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> we've been getting reports of this starting nearish to the end of the intrepid cycle
[15:09] <ghostcube> update to 4.1.4 brought anything with it
[15:09] <ghostcube> :D
[15:09] <ghostcube> like a flue
[15:09] <ghostcube> vorian, nah i have git compiled version and only flatfile compiled into it
[15:09] <ghostcube> :)
[15:10] <ghostcube> it worked yesterday with 4.1.3
[15:10] <ghostcube> so it cant be the prob
[15:10] <ghostcube> the prob is all i report just startet 4 hours ago
[15:10] <ghostcube> after the last package arrived
[15:10] <ghostcube> nah 8 hours
[15:10] <ghostcube> sorry
[15:11] <lool> ghostcube: I'd love to find out which exact update cause this regression
[15:11] <lool> ghostcube: That would be the best way
[15:11] <lool> ghostcube: Could you check your dpkg.log and find out which package upgrades could have caused the regression?
[15:11] <ghostcube> it has been the first one from german proposed repositories
[15:11] <ghostcube> after this all begans
[15:11] <ghostcube> wait a moment
[15:14] <apachelogger> lool: it's always a pleasure to see how launchpad constantly manages to break our product
[15:14] <apachelogger> like, from one break to another
[15:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am getting seriously upset again
[15:16] <lool> apachelogger: I've raised this to Arne who grabbed rosetta folks to scan the database of strings for such issues now
[15:16] <apachelogger> lool++
[15:16] <lool> apachelogger: Would you have any idea of which package exposed this issue?  note that the string is broken in intrepid already
[15:16] <lool> (well the translations)
[15:17] <lool> apachelogger: My only guess was phonon-libxine, but ghostcube downgraded to no luck
[15:17] <lool> apachelogger: I expect something like XINE_DEBUG=1 turned on in some update
[15:17] <ghostcube> i can post my dpkg.log from yesterday lol
[15:17] <lool> ghostcube: That would help
[15:17] <apachelogger> lool: the issue is in libxine (or whatever ships libxine's translations) from what I know
[15:18] <apachelogger> phonon just happens to expose it pretty nicely
[15:18] <Riddell> how can a translation cause a crash?
[15:18] <lool> apachelogger: As I was saying, this issue was already present in the intrepid release
[15:18] <lool> apachelogger: But a recent update started causing the crashes
[15:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: libxine doesn't like wrong translations it seems
[15:19] <lool> apachelogger: We will fix the translations, but I'd also like to revert the recent update change to unbreak systems as quickly as possible
[15:19] <lool> Fixing the translations is going to take some time because a) of actual work to fix them and b) we don't have a process to fix a SRU via a SRU of another package (langpack)
[15:20] <lool> Riddell: When the translation is in a format string
[15:21] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/361499  have fun
[15:21] <ghostcube> kdelibs5.data
[15:21] <ghostcube> maybe ?
[15:21] <apachelogger> That's a bug in the german (and italian) translations of libxine. It translates
[15:21] <apachelogger> "load_plugins: static plugin found\n" as "load_plugins: Plugin %s gefunden\n".
[15:21] <apachelogger> The "%s" makes it expect another argument which isn't there which makes it
[15:21] <apachelogger> crash.
[15:22] <apachelogger> ghostcube: no
[15:22] <ScottK> lool: Since it appears the problem is just with the packages still in -proposed, I think we just need to leave them -proposed until this is resolved.
[15:22] <ghostcube> ScottK, thx :P
[15:22] <lool> ScottK: I hope this is the case, but we need to confirm this
[15:22] <ghostcube> lol
[15:22] <ghostcube> apachelogger, ok :(
[15:22] <ScottK> lool: I agree.
[15:22] <ghostcube> nach was suchen wir eigentlich genau
[15:23] <ghostcube> also paketmässig damit ich nich nur dummes zeug von mir gebe
[15:23] <apachelogger> dem verursacher, weil der fehler schon in intrepid vorhanden war
[15:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we still think https://launchpad.net/bugs/290768 is the same issue?
[15:23] <ScottK> That goes back to release (but it's using later/unreleased at that time) KDE
[15:24]  * apachelogger thinks so
[15:24]  * Sput has just tested last week's k3b on gentoo, and still can't seem to get it to burn
[15:24] <ScottK> So it perhaps supports the existing xine bug exposed by new KDE theory.
[15:24] <apachelogger> especial since using non-translated apps fixes the behaviour
[15:24] <Sput> so maybe k3b is still b0rked
[15:25] <ScottK> Sput: KDE4 version?
[15:25] <Sput> ScottK: 4.2.60 here
[15:25] <Sput> so that's trunk as of last week
[15:25] <ScottK> OK.
[15:25] <Sput> might perfectly well work for kubuntu though
[15:25] <ScottK> Not the last time someone checked.
[15:25] <Sput> just thought I'd mention my experience :)
[15:25] <apachelogger> nah
[15:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:25] <apachelogger> lure tested it the other day
[15:25] <apachelogger> also didn't get it to burn
[15:26] <Sput> k
[15:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175407
[15:26] <Sput> all looks fine, then it claims to start burning and nothing happens anymore
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger needs to find a big pile of KDE coding ninjas to decend on k3b and get them working.
[15:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: if that initial report is the same, the issue was exposed in 4.1.2 already
[15:26] <EgS> Sput: that's only because you wanted to burn a disc of windows 7!
[15:26] <apachelogger> always me -.-
[15:27] <ghostcube> :D
[15:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: Although the only 4.1.2 mention in there is Debian.
[15:28] <ScottK> But I like the idea that makes it not an SRU regression.
[15:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: the main idea of wotm is that you have some kind of moderation + only free wallpapers
[15:28] <apachelogger> IMHO kde needs a squad for that, then internet slideshowing would make sense
[15:29] <Sput> EgS: I call that "sacrifice in the name of science and for the greater good"
[15:29] <ScottK> Every time I see kappfinder I see an R in the word that isn't there.
[15:29] <EgS> Sput: I call that k3b trying to keep you from permanent brain damage
[15:30] <ghostcube> ScottK, :D
[15:30] <apachelogger> oi vei
[15:30] <Sput> ah, M$ did a good job itself trying to do that, by sending me a confirmation mail that didn't even make it out of my mailserver's quarantine folder since it was so broken
[15:30] <Sput> and listed in DCC :D
[15:30] <Sput> this company is so full of fail,,,
[15:30] <Sput> :)
[15:31] <ScottK> Well the dinosaur is dead, just the brain doesn't know it yet.
[15:31] <ghostcube> nah the company is fine the pople working there are a bit on crack
[15:31] <ghostcube> :D
[15:31] <ScottK> Unfortunately they can flail and do a lot of damage on the way down.
[15:32] <Sput> yeah
[15:32] <Sput> they have reached the stage where they try and copy FOSS
[15:32] <ScottK> Just not very well.
[15:32] <ghostcube> btw if iam here already is there any fix for this annoying damn redraw error with kde4 and compiz loose-bining enabledon nvidia drivers
[15:32] <ghostcube> :|
[15:33] <ghostcube> this drive me nuts
[15:33] <apachelogger> don't use compiz
[15:33] <Sput> ScottK: right. but I fear they'll learn before they're dead
[15:33] <ghostcube> another idea :D
[15:33]  * ScottK considers to suggest dump the compiz
[15:33] <apachelogger> don'T use compiz
[15:33] <ghostcube> lol
[15:33] <apachelogger> seriuosly
[15:33] <ScottK> ghostcube: We aren't kidding.  kwin effects are what you should be using.
[15:33] <ghostcube> i love my compiz and i support it its nice if u have it from git master
[15:34] <ghostcube> ;(
[15:34] <apachelogger> now that both kwin and metacity support effects compizs should die an awful death
[15:34] <Sput> ghostcube: I wouldn't use compiz
[15:34] <apachelogger> compiz only does effects
[15:34] <apachelogger> kwin and metacity also do window managing
[15:34] <Sput> it's not even a window manager
[15:34] <ghostcube> apachelogger, there ma will be again a fork
[15:34] <ghostcube> cause they are a bit stressed about c++
[15:34] <ghostcube> :D
[15:34] <Sput> metacity has its own effects nowadays?
[15:34] <ghostcube> Sput, yeah
[15:34] <Sput> interesting
[15:34] <Sput> so why is compiz still alive then?
[15:35]  * ScottK likes kwin effects and finds some of them actually useful and not just pretty.
[15:35] <ghostcube> cause kde cant group and tab
[15:35] <ghostcube> :D
[15:35] <apachelogger> why is windows still alive? ;-)
[15:35] <ghostcube> apachelogger, lol
[15:35] <ghostcube> why is macosx so loved by the people
[15:35] <ghostcube> linux in chains
[15:35] <ghostcube> bah
[15:35] <ScottK> Dunno about that one.  I'm not a fan.
[15:36] <apachelogger> ghostcube: don't talk bad about linux
[15:36] <ghostcube> eh ?
[15:36] <ScottK> Although it's better since I learned two-finger-drag-on-touchpad-and-click gives you right click.
[15:36] <ghostcube> bsd in chains sorry
[15:37] <ghostcube> apachelogger, i talked bad about macosx not linux ^^
[15:37] <ghostcube> heh
[15:37] <apachelogger> oh well, lets not get started on the bsd discussion again
[15:37] <ghostcube> never :D
[15:41] <lool> So actually this particular issue could have been prevented if we would have used msgfmt --check-format when building langpacks, which is a fix I'm pushing right now
[15:42] <ghostcube> oO
[15:42] <ScottK> \o/ - Ubuntu translations to the rescue again.
[15:42] <ghostcube> cool
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm
[15:42] <apachelogger> generally speaking
[15:43] <apachelogger> shouldn't LP do that kind of QA at export?
[15:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't think they have that concept
[15:43] <apachelogger> oh, true, QA... :P
[15:45] <ghostcube> i seen kde can do sphere now too hmm
[15:45] <ghostcube> this is an not needed option group and tab would be cooler MHO
[15:45] <ghostcube> *I
[15:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna knows about spheres and cubes and stuff.
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> I do? lol
[15:46] <ghostcube> sphere is for playing only  but group and tab is a cool compiz plugin
[15:46] <ghostcube> :D
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> spheres and cylinders don't work with my graphics card
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> too old :-(
[15:47] <ghostcube> intel or ati ?
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> Nvidia Geforce 4 MX 440
[15:47] <ghostcube> oh you need the 9631 drivers
[15:47] <ghostcube> :¦
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> no, I have the dirvers
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> *drivers
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> but the MX 440 is the model right before they offered pixel shaders
[15:48] <ghostcube> yeah i know but sphere isnt working on that one afaik
[15:48] <ghostcube> yeah
[15:48] <ghostcube> :)
[15:48] <ghostcube> anyone needs an old gf 4 ti 4600 :D
[15:49] <lool> apachelogger: LP does this QA, but we're looking into why it didn't here
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> and I am too cheap to get a new video card, because I might as well get a new computer althogether
[15:49] <lool> It has the C format checks which msgfmt has
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> Ti has the shaders I think
[15:50] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna, i have one laying arround :) not needed anymore but i dont now if it would work with shaders its an agp  abit siluro heh
[15:51]  * JontheEchidna doesn't have agp, only pci
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Sysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.26-5-generic running KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.1.96 (KDE 4.2 RC1)), CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz at 2500 MHz (5006 bogomips), HD: 116/146GB, RAM: 608/620MB, 132 proc's, 1.14d up
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> I'm running an old kernel because this is the last kernel that doesn't cause my computer to crash while starting up
[15:52] <ghostcube> ah ok
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> unless I use my integrated intel card
[15:52] <ghostcube> but fast enough :)
[15:52] <ghostcube> my old one was not so good
[15:55] <Riddell> ** Alpha candidate CD images need tested
[15:57] <vorian> Riddell: ok
[15:57] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[15:58]  * vorian grabs one
[16:02] <tvakah> so amarok doesn't play well with akonadi, they have different mysql wants, I'm guessing this won't change until akonadi is updated to use mysql embedded available in 5.1?
[16:05] <ScottK> tvakah: It's a known problem.
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Need to make sure that's in the Alpha 3 known issues for release notes.
[16:05] <tvakah> ScottK: righto, I'll be patient :)
[16:16] <blizzz> Riddell: physical install or is virtual good enough?
[16:17] <blizzz> in a virtual machine i mean
[16:19] <Riddell> blizzz: either is useful
[16:26] <lool> ghostcube: Do you mind attaching you dpkg.log snippet to the bug report?
[16:26] <lool> ghostcube: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/290768
[16:26] <ghostcube> no problem
[16:27] <ghostcube> lool, just the one i postet to you ?
[16:27] <nixternal> apachelogger: I under wotm, but a lot of the "Free Wallpapers" are typically...ummm...not good if you catch my drift
[16:27] <nixternal> s/under/understand/
[16:27] <lool> ghostcube: Yes
[16:27] <lool> ghostcube: I wont be able to investigate it, but would like others to be able to do so
[16:28] <ghostcube> lool, i must get an launchpad acount then i will do for sure
[16:28] <lool> ghostcube: Thanks
[16:28] <seele> ScottK: did you say whois was broken for you too? last night i couldnt find anyone else with the same problem
[16:28]  * JontheEchidna does universey work for a change
[16:32] <ghostcube> lool, sould i attach an txt with the lines or post it diorectly better attach the file eh ?
[16:33] <ghostcube> *should
[16:34] <lool> ghostcube: Simply attach dpkg.log if that's ok with you and mention the period of time concerned in a comment
[16:34] <lool> ("Regression appeared between 2009/01/xyz 12:30 and 2009/01/foobar 21:45"
[16:39] <glade88> hola! I read somewhere that systray would be replaced by something better to get rid of the RGB visual problems. What would possibly replace it?
[16:44] <ghostcube> lool, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/290768
[16:44] <lool> ghostcube: thanks!
[16:44] <ghostcube> np
[16:51] <apachelogger> nixternal: there are plenty of good ones, you just don't see em ;-)
[16:51] <apachelogger> which is pretty much the problem I want to work around
[16:52] <lool> ghostcube: I'm pushing xine-lib 1.1.15-0ubuntu3intrepid1~dooz1 to my PPA; would you mind trying that out for me when it's built?
[16:52] <nixternal> apachelogger: I see them all, because multiple times each day, I go through kde-look.org, deviant art, and interfacelift
[16:52] <nixternal> on a good day, I will find 1 good submission on kde-look.org
[16:53] <nixternal> and remember, what is good for you may not be good for me and others...that's why allow the user to choose is best, not us
[16:53] <nixternal> or anyone else for that matter
[16:53] <ghostcube> lool, hmm ok if it will not kill more i will do :D
[16:54] <lool> ghostcube: It shouldn't ,)
[16:54] <lool> ;-)
[16:54] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, there is a common sense of good, and I don't really target users but JontheEchidna :P
[16:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: also, wouldn't it make more sense to triage bugs instead of browsing the intartubes for wallpapers???? :P
[16:55] <ghostcube> lool, heh
[16:55] <lool> ghostcube: https://launchpad.net/~lool/+archive (intrepid obviously)
[16:55] <nixternal> apachelogger: nope, that is what makes rss awesome...i get them in google reader all day long :)
[16:56] <nixternal> plus I look at them from work, though I don't think that is any better :0
[16:56] <blizzz> Riddell: there is neither amarok nor quassel on the cd, is that correct?
[16:56] <ghostcube> lool, can i just dpkg -i it
[16:56] <ghostcube> :)
[16:56] <apachelogger> nixternal: shouldn't you triage bugs instead of google reading :P
[16:56] <lool> ghostcube: Sure, when it's built
[16:56] <ghostcube> nice that this is shown at the page
[16:56] <ghostcube> :O
[16:56] <nixternal> apachelogger: I triage on average 100 bugs a day, so don't go there :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: our bugs that is
[16:57] <nixternal> those bugs are also wishlist, adding new functionality to code, and so forth
[16:57] <lool> ghostcube: I think you will want libxine1_1.1.15-0ubuntu3intrepid1~dooz1_i386.deb or _amd64.deb
[16:57] <nixternal> just wait until I put the Cleversafe packages in Ubuntu...my upstream karma will kill the planet :)
[16:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: shouldn't you implement these features then?
[16:58]  * apachelogger says by to mailody and hello to mr kcrash
[16:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: something I have looked at in the past, and was told they were going to get implemented...havent' check if anyone has started the work or not, but seeing as they just recently oopened trunk to 4.3, I would have to say it hasn't been worked on yet :)
[16:58] <ghostcube> lool, 64 bit i tell u when i have installed and tested
[16:58] <nixternal> file a wishlist bug, assign it to me, then I will work on it :p
[16:58] <lool> ghostcube: Thanks; the sooner I get the confirmation, the faster I'll push it to intrepid-proposed
[16:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: before or after you look at pictures of dogs in your google reader?
[16:58] <ghostcube> lool, no prob i need it so i will help
[16:58] <ghostcube> :D
[16:59] <apachelogger> ah well
[16:59] <apachelogger> mailody makes me wanna cry right now
[16:59] <apachelogger> *uninstall*
[17:00] <Riddell> blizzz: yes that's right
[17:00]  * apachelogger starts singing ... all the mail clients for KDE 4 are b0rked, all the mail clients for KDE 4 are b0rked, oh my good I can't read mails, nevar shall I be able to read mails, all the darn mail clients for KDE 4 ar b0rked
[17:00] <Sput> what's wrong with kmail?
[17:00] <apachelogger> never worked with imap
[17:00] <Sput> oO
[17:00] <nixternal> apachelogger: all day long!
[17:00] <apachelogger> the whole approach to imap is wrong
[17:00] <Sput> worked fine for me and imap for years
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> pop3 ftw
[17:00] <Sput> maybe the approach is wrong, but it works :p
[17:00] <ghostcube> apachelogger, thunder ?
[17:01] <ghostcube> imap ftw
[17:01] <apachelogger> Sput: well, it got better towards end of 3.5
[17:01] <davmor2> apachelogger: pine
[17:01] <Sput> it had some hickups around 4.1
[17:01] <apachelogger> Sput: got worse towards end of it as well
[17:01] <apachelogger> Sput: 4.2 is currently ugly
[17:01] <Sput> hmm, stable for me
[17:01] <apachelogger> also, it appears to me if a akonadi datasource goes down all of kontact goes along with it
[17:01] <apachelogger> or it is the other way round
[17:01]  * apachelogger considers mutt-ng
[17:01] <apachelogger> which is an austrian product anyway IIRC :P
[17:02] <ghostcube> bist du etwa en ösi :O
[17:02] <ghostcube> ich brauch mozartkugeln :D
[17:02] <ghostcube> yam yam
[17:03]  * apachelogger ist apachelogger
[17:03] <ghostcube> :|
[17:03] <ghostcube> wieder nix mit mozartkugeln
[17:03] <ghostcube> damn
[17:04] <apachelogger> ghostcube: way too expensive anyway
[17:04] <ghostcube> yeah but there is one brand i like them i hate this kind of candy normally it contains marzipan bah :|
[17:05] <ghostcube> :D
[17:22] <lool> ghostcube: Do you have xine-plugin installed?
[17:23] <ghostcube> libxine1-plugins ?
[17:23] <lool> No, xine-plugin
[17:23] <ghostcube> ehm no dpkg nor listing this
[17:23] <apachelogger> Sput: pling
[17:23] <lool> Ok; thanks
[17:24] <ghostcube> ahh the mozilla plugin no i use vlc :)
[17:24] <ghostcube> so not installed
[17:25] <blizzz> auto-resize takes ages
[17:26] <lool> ghostcube: Sorry to bother you again; could you try downgrading kdebase-runtime?
[17:27] <lool> ghostcube: Either to 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 or to 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu6
[17:27] <ghostcube> hmm ok one moment pls
[17:28] <lool> ghostcube: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-runtime/kdebase-runtime_4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1_amd64.deb
[17:30] <ghostcube> hmm if i try to apt-get it i cant install should i dpkg it i need to downgrade more than this
[17:31] <ghostcube> kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[17:31] <ghostcube> is needed then too in 4.1.3
[17:31] <lool> ghostcube: It's best if you apt-get install it
[17:31] <lool> and downgrade what needs be downgraded
[17:31] <lool> apt-get install kdebase-runtime=4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[17:33] <ghostcube> its done i will be back
[17:33] <ghostcube> :D
[17:36] <ghostcube> hmm this fixed the strange error i get at kde start
[17:36] <ghostcube> but not the apps problem
[17:37] <lool> ghostcube: Was the strange error related to xine?
[17:37] <ghostcube> that was ot possible to see cause krashhandler told me no info
[17:37] <ghostcube> sorry
[17:37] <lool> ghostcube: So you're getting a crash on login with the new kdebase-runtime, but not the old one from -updates?
[17:37] <lool> Riddell: AroundN?
[17:38] <ghostcube> yes
[17:38] <lool> Riddell: Can you pick up that other part of the bug?
[17:38] <lool> Riddell: kdebase-runtime intrepid-proposed version causes a regression for ghostcube (crash dialog on login)
[17:38] <lool> ghostcube: Ok; xine-lib built on amd64 in ppa, just waiting for a publish
[17:38] <ghostcube> ok
[17:39] <ghostcube> i will add youre repo to my list
[17:39]  * ScottK returns and read the scrollback.
[17:41] <ghostcube> lol kernel update in proposed
[17:41] <ghostcube> lool if i grab the updates it will update kdebase-runtime too should i doo and see what happens if i pull youre packages
[17:41] <ghostcube> and maybe then again downgrade
[17:41] <lool> ghostcube: You can upgrade again if you like
[17:42] <ghostcube> hmm the problem is expanding with the decos now my konsole lost it too oO
[17:42] <ghostcube> strange
[17:42] <ghostcube> but this was before the downgrade too
[17:43] <apachelogger> ghostcube: we need to know where the crash dialog comes from :P
[17:43] <apachelogger> the window title of the kcrash window ought to tell you the name of the thing that crashed
[17:44] <ghostcube> i changed from compiz to kwin and now it told me phonon xine
[17:44] <ghostcube> i get a crash handler
[17:44] <lool> ghostcube: With which apps do you get the problem?
[17:44] <lool> ghostcube: (the xine one)
[17:44] <ScottK> seele: I think the whois thing is related to a general focus confusion problem that EgS and I were discussing last night.
[17:44] <ghostcube> only with system apps like dolphin systemsettings konsole and so on getting no deko the export lang fixes this too
[17:46] <lool> ghostcube: http://ppa.launchpad.net/lool/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xine-lib/libxine1_1.1.15-0ubuntu3intrepid1~dooz1_lpia.deb
[17:46] <lool> ghostcube: This should fix your issue
[17:46] <ghostcube> iam updateing
[17:46] <ghostcube> right now
[17:46] <ghostcube> :D
[17:46] <ghostcube> its running
[17:47] <ghostcube> kernel update too :) i will reboot after this
[17:50] <Riddell> daily CDs seem to work, we should be good for alpha 3
[17:50] <ghostcube> ok brb guys
[17:51] <Riddell> lool: is ghostcube's issue in libxine or kdebase-runtime, or does he have two issues?
[17:51] <cbr> the glxgears performance i had yesterday has now magically decreased two-fold..
[17:51] <cbr> strange things are happening
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is possible that knotify crashes due to the underlying phonon crash
[17:52] <apachelogger> can't tell without more information
[17:53] <ghostcube> fixed
[17:53] <ghostcube> very cool
[17:53] <ghostcube> thx lool
[17:54] <ghostcube> and i know thwe crash handler at startup
[17:54] <Tm_T> ok
[17:54] <ghostcube> its kwin
[17:54] <lool> Riddell: The issue is triggerred by an intrepid-proposed update
[17:54] <lool> Riddell: We don't know which package, I tried isolating
[17:54] <ghostcube> sound works again
[17:54] <ghostcube> amarok starts
[17:54] <lool> Riddell: But it's actually exposing an issue which was in xine-lib since the intrepid release and even earlier
[17:55] <lool> Riddell: If you know which package could have exposed this regression, I'd love to know; only some locales are affected
[17:55] <lool> Riddell: For instance it could be a package enabling xine's debugging
[17:56] <lool> ghostcube: Would you still be up for some testing?
[17:56] <ghostcube> yes
[17:56] <ghostcube> i think im here till 9 pm
[17:56] <lool> ghostcube: So could you remove the libxine1 from my PPA, disable my PPA
[17:57] <ghostcube> german time
[17:57] <lool> ghostcube: And try downgrading kde4libs
[17:57] <ScottK> LaserJock: Did the rebuilds help your trouble any?
[17:57] <ghostcube> lool, deinstall the libxine i just ionstalled ?
[17:57] <lool> ghostcube: Yes, otherwise we wont see the bug anymore
[17:58] <ghostcube> ok
[17:58] <lool> ghostcube: I mean downgrade to intrepid version of libxine1
[17:58] <ghostcube> yeah
[17:58] <lool> ghostcube: apt-get install libxine1=1.1.15-0ubuntu3
[17:58] <lool> then disable my ppa
[17:58] <LaserJock> ScottK: don't know yet for sure, I gotta find a ethernet plug to be able to dist-upgrade. I have no idea how to do wifi CLI
[17:59] <ScottK> Yuck.  I understand.  I'd be in the same boat.
[17:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/317525
[18:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you really thikg bug 272399 is SRUworthy? libqt is no small package all the more reason to consider SRUs carefully IMHO
[18:01] <ghostcube> lool, running the changes now
[18:01] <ghostcube> moment pls
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes, it is a highly reproducable/easily-triggered bug
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> plus it breaks the comic plasmoid in 4.2 D:
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> and the weather applet
[18:02] <lool> ghostcube: Then you need to downgrade kdelibs; apt-get install kdelibs4c2a=4:3.5.10-0ubuntu6 kdelibs-data=4:3.5.10-0ubuntu6 kdelibs=4:3.5.10-0ubuntu6
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> and the twitter applet
[18:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: only 4.2?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> yes, for the comic strip only in 4.2
[18:02] <nhandler> apachelogger: I just saw your BuildEnvironment wiki page. Any chance of you attaching your multiple pbuilderrc files to it?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> but twitter and file watcher are broken in 4.1
[18:02] <apachelogger> hm
[18:03] <ghostcube> lool, i have the 3.5.10 of 4c2a
[18:03] <apachelogger> nhandler: in a minute or two
[18:03] <ghostcube> and of kdelibs-data
[18:03] <lool> ghostcube: Argh sorry wrong packages
[18:03] <ghostcube> no prob
[18:03] <nhandler> Thanks apachelogger
[18:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do they take plasma along with them? do we install twitter by default?
[18:04] <ghostcube> dont hurry
[18:04] <ghostcube> :D
[18:04] <ghostcube> why is everyonewanting this twitter sing ?
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes, the crash brings down all of plasma, and we do install both by default
[18:04] <ghostcube> thing
[18:04] <lool> ghostcube: apt-get install kdelibs5=4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid4 kdelibs5-data=4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid4 kdelibs-bin=4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid4 libplasma3=4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid4
[18:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am not sure if it qualifies
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ....Bugs which represent severe regressions from the previous release of Ubuntu. This includes packages which are totally unusable, like being uninstallable or crashing on startup.... latter applies
[18:05] <ghostcube> libplasma2
[18:05] <ghostcube> :)
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ...Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages (like X.org or the kernel).... probably doesn't need to be considered as it says, but also it says the package ought not to be a cirtiical infrastructure package
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> why wouldn't we want to fix the crash?
[18:05] <apachelogger> I think Qt is one of the latter
[18:06] <apachelogger> lol, akonadi just shutdown ... no cue why
[18:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: potential of causing more issues, forcing a pretty big update upon _all_ users
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> it's set to be included in QT 4.4.4, it's quite safe
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> *Qt
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> stoopid shift key
[18:07] <ghostcube> lool, i need some more wait a moment
[18:07] <lool> Sure
[18:08] <wesley__> I believe kde4.2 rc still doesnt work in 9.04 ( and they marked as fixed )
[18:08] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 272399 for SRU? I think the fact that we install the affected plasmoids by default and that they take down plasma along with them.
[18:09] <ScottK> +1 but with lots of testing.
[18:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: we never get lots of testing :(
[18:09] <ScottK> Well hurry and get it published before I give up on 4.1
[18:09] <apachelogger> ahhh
[18:09]  * apachelogger accepts nomination
[18:10] <wesley__> is there something to do in Londen around 26 feb ?
[18:11] <wesley__> ScottK I already dropped 4.1, kde4.2 seems in a stable state ( not speaking about the garbage bug )
[18:12] <ghostcube> lool, this removes half of my kde if i do it
[18:12] <ghostcube> oO
[18:12] <wesley__> what are we testing ?
[18:12] <ghostcube> want to clean 438 mb
[18:13] <ghostcube> :|
[18:13] <ghostcube> any other way to check this
[18:13] <ScottK> wesley__: We're testing Intrepid SRUs (with 4.1) and Jaunty Alpha 3.
[18:13] <wesley__> alpha 3 ?
[18:13] <apachelogger> ah
[18:14] <apachelogger> amarok vs. akonadi
[18:14] <wesley__> have i missed something
[18:14] <apachelogger> now seriously, my approach to getting mysqle into amarok was so much superior than what we have right now :P
[18:14] <wesley__> akanadi isnt that for mails ?
[18:14] <ghostcube> lool, if i remove the libs or downgrade we cant test anything more cause kde will be gione lol
[18:14]  * apachelogger kicks dpkg 
[18:15] <apachelogger> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[18:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: So start uploading.
[18:15] <apachelogger> now... why would I want the whole freaking install to break
[18:16] <ScottK> Because it's just for those annoying Kubuntu people you're bothering with this and you don't want to waste much time on the package?
[18:16] <wesley__> kde-nighly works to on 9.04 ( oh shit need to reboot )
[18:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: seems so ... but that also raises the question why dh doesn't have some sanity checking for pre*/post*
[18:17] <ScottK> ghostcube: As long as you don't reboot/shutdown/logout your current KDE will still run even if uninstalled.
[18:17] <apachelogger> well, you might see a crash a two ;-)
[18:17] <ScottK> So it's not unstafe to uninstall/reinstall in multiple steps
[18:17] <ghostcube> i need to relogin after downgrade
[18:18] <ScottK> Yeah and restart KDM
[18:18] <wesley__> I get tired off getting mails off bugs and not from girls
[18:18] <ScottK> http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.photobasement.com/alka_seltzer_cat.jpg
[18:18] <ghostcube> ScottK, if i uninstall all packages and relogin its boom
[18:18] <ghostcube> oO
[18:18] <ScottK> ghostcube: No, uninstall, install the correct ones, then relogin
[18:19] <ScottK> If that doesn't work you can still put the ones back you just uniinstalled and you're no worse off
[18:19] <ghostcube> it removes my kde packages 400 mb of it how to get it back lol
[18:19] <wesley__> so why are we testing amarok ? whats missing ( i have nightly running )
[18:20] <ScottK> Because we just got it packaged into Kubuntu.
[18:20] <ScottK> We want the packaged version tested, not the nightly.
[18:20] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: what is the plan for mysql? strip mysql 5.1 into packages so it becomes useful for amarok and has sensible chance of getting into main?
[18:20] <wesley__> great, and now we need to test and install it ?
[18:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[18:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd descrbed that as a goal.  I don't know enough work has been done to figure the details to merit calling it an actual plan.
[18:20] <wesley__> i dont mind and give it a run and install it
[18:21]  * apachelogger looks at clock
[18:21] <apachelogger> oh well
[18:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Also make it co-installable with 5.0 so we don't have to migrate akonadi to 5.1.
[18:21] <ScottK> it being the bits we need.
[18:21] <apachelogger> we only need the share data for amarok at runtime, so we just need to change hte install path there
[18:22] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: I'll probably have something ready by tomorrow afternoon UTC
[18:22] <wesley__> !aptfix
[18:22] <apachelogger> my bf scheduled shopping all afternoon -.-
[18:22] <apachelogger> incredibly unproducitve
[18:22] <ScottK> bf?
[18:22] <wesley__> bf ? boyfriend ?
[18:23] <apachelogger> exactly that
[18:23] <Tm_T> better father (;)
[18:23] <wesley__> though you was a guy ?
[18:23] <ghostcube> he is
[18:23] <ghostcube> :D
[18:23] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I have a dad???? you never told me!!!! oh my god!!!!!!
[18:23] <apachelogger> anyway
[18:24] <wesley__> so he's gay? i dont blame him womans make me crazy to
[18:24] <apachelogger> *preparing SRU upload*
[18:24] <ghostcube> i dont know him ask him :| but if hes from cologne i would bet
[18:24] <ghostcube> but back to work
[18:24] <ghostcube> :D
[18:25] <ghostcube> lool, what to do to not getting rid of all packages
[18:25] <ghostcube> oO
[18:25] <wesley__> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/105257/
[18:26] <ghostcube> oi holländisch
[18:26] <ghostcube> :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> oh dear, deleting my old qt build took > 2 minutes
[18:27] <wesley__> Nee Nederlands
[18:27] <apachelogger> wesley__: getting the same issue here
[18:27] <ghostcube> :)
[18:27] <wesley__> Holland is not a country
[18:27] <ghostcube> i know
[18:27] <wesley__> apachelogger, my talks dutch
[18:27] <ghostcube> we germans callit this way :D as you should know rofl
[18:27] <apachelogger> wesley__: mine talks japanese
[18:28]  * apachelogger is wondering why console apps get translated anyway
[18:28] <wesley__> Yeah thats the place where you dig holes holland
[18:28] <wesley__> yep kind of stupid translated consoles
[18:28] <apachelogger> yesterday I noticed that diff even spits out that "no final new line" warning in translated manner
[18:29] <apachelogger> traiging bugs if you don't understand them is fun though :D
[18:29] <apachelogger> *triaging even
[18:29] <wesley__> i gladly report them , but dont find them that much, i have lately the urge to stay behind osx
[18:29] <ghostcube> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiih
[18:29] <ghostcube> :D
[18:29] <ghostcube> sorry
[18:29] <ghostcube> :|
[18:30] <apachelogger> we are back with the bsd discussion again :P
[18:30] <ghostcube> nah
[18:30] <ghostcube> :D
[18:30] <wesley__> lol, no better not
[18:30] <wesley__> dont read my grub will ya :P
[18:31] <apachelogger> nah there is more useful stuff to do
[18:31] <wesley__> lucky
[18:31]  * apachelogger tries switching his console to klingon
[18:31] <wesley__> like patching dvds
[18:31] <lool> ghostcube: Ok; you could try downgrading everything to intrepid-updates; it's a bit hard to guide you on IRC though
[18:32] <lool> ghostcube: One thing which you could try it apt-get -t intrepid-updates upgrade; this will downgrade your whole system to intrepid-updates though
[18:32] <wesley__> just pick the live cd, ive done about everday a new install of 8.10 tis week
[18:32] <lool> Or I could build a special kdelibs package reverting the changes for you
[18:32] <lool> But it's a bit hard
[18:32] <apachelogger> wesley__: I suppose you shouldn't break it that often?
[18:33] <wesley__> i was messing with some dont speak about stuff in linux channels
[18:33] <ghostcube> lool, no no need for me i can live with the errors if i can use my sound it will be ok  but so i cant help you
[18:34] <wesley__> so i was trying to get my athereos 5007eg to work in the dont speak stuff in linux channel
[18:34] <ghostcube> i have to leave soon too :( will be back tomorrow
[18:35] <wesley__> those guys where wondering if they could ask madwifi for help, on there stuff thats a forbidden topic in linux
[18:35] <wesley__> they are always refering to Linux
[18:36] <wesley__> Seems Linux helps more then only Linux
[18:38] <ghostcube> lool, can i install youre xine-lib again
[18:39] <ghostcube> or do you pushed it to proposed
[18:39] <ghostcube> *-d
[18:39] <wesley__> i go patching in Osx
[18:39] <wesley__> goodbye
[18:39] <nhandler> Bye wesley__
[18:40] <ghostcube> cu
[18:41] <Sput> apachelogger: plong, if you're quick
[18:42] <apachelogger> Sput: I found the cause for the notifyrc not going to correct directory on kubuntu issue
[18:42] <Sput> apachelogger: ah? something we should fix?
[18:42] <apachelogger> yes
[18:42] <Sput> shoot :)
[18:42] <apachelogger> Sput: it appears KDE4Internal doesn't actually write the values to the cmakecache, so they _never_ override the ones you set
[18:43] <apachelogger> for none of the vars
[18:43] <Sput> oh
[18:43] <apachelogger> I recommend you define the vars after you include KDE if HAVE_KDE
[18:43] <Sput> so we should set them after including the KDE stuff, and only if they're not already set?
[18:43] <apachelogger> Sput: KDE will always set them if they are not set in the cmakecache
[18:43] <apachelogger> so you must actually not set them at all if KDE is included
[18:44] <Sput> makes sense
[18:57] <ScottK> \sh: Last time I had to do some charting in Python I used pylab from matplotlib
[19:00] <lool> ghostcube: Sure
[19:00] <lool> ghostcube: I'm afraid we can't debug this further; thanks for your efforts
[19:00] <ghostcube> lool, sorry i would help maybe i can grab another maschine tomorrow with an similiar intrepid install
[19:00] <astromme-laptop> Hmm... why would akonadi depend on mysql server 5.0 but it can't accept 5.1?
[19:00] <ghostcube> iam thanking you for doing this release
[19:01] <ghostcube> lool, it fixyes nearly 90% of my bugs :D
[19:01] <ghostcube> i think this is a good job so far
[19:02] <ghostcube> :)
[19:02] <ghostcube> thx very much
[19:07] <lool> ghostcube: cheers
[19:07] <ghostcube> :)
[19:07] <ghostcube> and this will fix the probs outside with xine apps
[19:07] <ghostcube> thats cool
[19:07] <ghostcube> :D
[19:07] <ghostcube> after my first diplom i  may study info
[19:07] <ghostcube> :D
[19:08] <ghostcube> i want to code hehe
[19:09] <ghostcube> wow lool this fixes this strange dragonplayer bug too no one could say anything about
[19:09] <ghostcube> :D
[19:09] <ghostcube> it starts again
[19:16] <ghostcube> ok i got my dolphin decos back
[19:16] <ghostcube> deleting the dolphinrc braught them back
[19:16] <ghostcube> seems to have hazled anything
[19:16] <ghostcube> so i can say 95% working now again
[19:16] <ghostcube> :D
[19:16] <ghostcube> lool, i think this has fixed all probs so far
[19:16] <jussi01> !enter | ghostcube
[19:16] <ghostcube> jussi01, sorry bad behaviour
[19:17] <ghostcube> iam used to type this way inside of skype and its hard to get rid of it :)
[19:19] <ghostcube> guys i have to go thx again for youre work and i appreciated it :) bye
[19:25] <jussi01> hrm, might of found a lancelot bug. anyone got lancelot running the RC1 intrepid packages to confirm?
[19:25] <jussi01> the bug is the blue border while hovering over an icon is only partial.
[19:25] <jussi01> its as if it goes behind the menu icon
[19:48] <blizzz> Riddell: after full install, i wanted to try out auto_resize-install, but curiously the partition-page looks like this: http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=partitioningax0.png
[20:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:11] <apachelogger> that looks broken alright
[20:12] <apachelogger> blizzz: I noticed that a couple of days in the GTK interface as well ... did you already look for bugs?
[20:13] <apachelogger> *days ago
[20:15] <ScottK> blizzz: Was the hard drive already partitioned?
[20:18]  * ScottK wonders if https://launchpad.net/bugs/317618 is related
[20:27] <blizzz> apachelogger: no, it catched my eyes, because i have never seen that.
[20:27] <blizzz> ScottK: yes, from the prvious installation
[20:28] <mok0> You have to do a manual partioning to delete them
[20:29] <astromme-laptop> akonadi-server depends on mysql-server-5.0 . Is this intentional? does 5.1 not work?
[20:29] <blizzz> no no, this is the selection wether to split the hd, partition it manual or take the whole
[20:29] <ScottK> astromme-laptop: 5.1 just got in the archive last eek.
[20:29] <ScottK> No one actually knows yet if akonadi will work with it.
[20:30] <astromme-laptop> oh, I see. Why does amarok depend on 5.1? is 5.0 not good?
[20:31] <blizzz> amarok makes use of mysql 5.1 features
[20:31] <apachelogger> the features were partially also in 5.0
[20:32] <astromme-laptop> hmm... is there a way to force akonadi-server to work with mysql 5.1? to see if it breaks? (other than recompiling with a different deps list)?
[20:32] <apachelogger> no
[20:35]  * JontheEchidna wonders whether bug 106772 was actually ever fixed
[20:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: don't think so
[20:37] <apachelogger> I poked the dude who added the wrong thingies
[20:37] <apachelogger> he is actually string reviewier
[20:37] <apachelogger> just for funs
[20:37] <apachelogger> and I poked a rosetta dude to accept my suggesitons and possibly run a query on the break pattern
[20:37] <apachelogger> both not very successful it seems
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> it's a bit irritating, especially when you've taken the initiative to fix it
[20:39] <seele> RC 1 kicks you to the login screen when you choose to shutdown or restart.  is that a policykit issue?
[20:40] <apachelogger> didn't do that last time I tried to shutdown
[20:40] <apachelogger> but I noticed that as well
[20:56] <seele> arg.. is akanodi crashing for everyone?
[20:56] <seele> it seems to be inconsistent though
[21:05] <ScottK> seele: Did you install amarok?
[21:06] <ScottK> Because currently amarok and akonadi can't coexist?
[21:06] <ScottK> ?/.
[21:07] <Riddell> I've had akonadi use up excessive amounts of CPU
[21:11] <seele> ScottK: not unless amarok is installed automatically with rc1
[21:11] <ScottK> No.  It's not.
[21:16] <seele> then i dont.  although i do have it installed via neon.. but i though the installations are separate
[21:17] <astromme-laptop> man I just had a hell of a time upgrading to mysql-5.1... ugh
[21:18] <astromme-laptop> ended up having to recreate the db manually and then finishing the upgrade. It complained that a table was wrong.. but mysqld wasn't started so I couldn't actually fix it. Downgrading failed becase apt refused to...
[21:25] <LaserJock> ScottK: I'm feelin' the Jaunty love now baby! ;-)
[21:25] <ScottK> LaserJock: Excellent.
[21:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ I can't say exactly which package or why, but I do think  the rebuilds were needed ^^^
[21:26]  * astromme-laptop is still sour about not being able to have Amarok and Kontact installed at the same time
[21:26] <LaserJock> ScottK: it was quickaccess
[21:26] <ScottK> LaserJock: OK.  Thaks.
[21:26] <vorian> congrats LaserJock
[21:26] <astromme-laptop> which isn't kubuntu's fault necessairly... </disclaimer>
[21:26] <ScottK> astromme-laptop: We'll get that fixed.
[21:26] <vorian> we are in alpha afterall :)
[21:27] <ScottK> Step 1 was get Amarok 2 into the archive.
[21:27] <vorian> ✓
[21:28] <astromme-laptop> This is true =P.
[21:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is someone doing amarok security updates (I'm just reading DSA 1706-1)?
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: iirc there was a security fix that was included in 2.0.1.1
[21:59] <Riddell> ScottK: we did that ages ago
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, that too
[22:30] <Nightrose> if that is the audible stuff it was fixed in 2.0.1.1
[22:30] <Nightrose> fixes for 1.4.x are in svn
[22:30] <Nightrose> ScottK: ^
[23:55] <seele> does the jaunty CD have kpackagekit on it?
[23:55]  * seele wonders when colomar will be around
[23:57] <astromme-laptop> seele: I don't think so...
[23:57] <astromme-laptop> is it even in the repos?