[00:02] Lure: is libkdcraw included in kipi-plugins? [00:02] I'm having a crash starting plasma with the RC packages [00:02] Ramblurr: it is pard of kdegraphics, therefore in kubuntu-experimental [00:02] Ramblurr: kipi-plugins will pull it as dependancy [00:02] Is anyone else experiencing the same? [00:03] astromme-laptop: had that 4-6 hours ago, bot now it started to work - may be some recent update [00:04] Lure: Are you on a i386 or an amd64 jaunty? [00:04] astromme-laptop: amd64/jaunty [00:04] I just re-installed this system from scratch an hour ago >_> [00:05] astromme-laptop: do you update from archive.ubuntu.com or from mirrors (that may be behind)? [00:06] Lure: archive.ubuntu.com [00:06] then I do not know what it may fixed it for me [00:06] my kdebase-workspace-bin is Version: 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2 [00:06] astromme-laptop: same here [00:07] Lure: and libplasma3 is Version: 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1 [00:07] same [00:08] astromme-laptop: did you tried to start it from konsole to see what it writes on it? [00:08] yeah, I have a backtrace here: http://rafb.net/p/3uLKb758.html [00:09] no error on the console except for "application crashing" [00:09] Lure: What is your .kde/share/config/plasmarc (and other related files) [00:26] Lure: hah, digikam 0.10.0-beta doesn't show images [00:38] kmail's unusable here with the new 4.1.96 packages, goes down with a sigabrt whenever I try to send a message [00:38] /build/buildd/kdepim-4.1.96/kmail/kmmsgbase.cpp:1035: off_t KMMsgBase::getLongPart(KMMsgBase::MsgPartType) const: Assertion `sizeOfLong == len' failed. [00:45] tvakah: What architecture are you on? [00:45] amd64 [00:46] seems to have been a botched mail directory tho, I nuked ~/.kde/share/apps/mail and everythings fine now ( I'm an imap user so no pain in nuking local folders, the only thing lost was the unsent message in outbox ) [00:46] after nuking mail, I can send a test message, rewriting the original to see if there's something wonky again [00:46] amd64 only finished building recently. Depening on mirror lag and such you may not have all the 4.1.96 packages yet. [00:48] I'm intrepid pulling the ppa fwiw [00:48] I'd be on jaunty, but I need nvidia driver and all that noise [00:50] just rewrote and sent the message, went fine this time, can't reproduce it, oh well :-/ [00:50] tvakah: I'm using nvidia 180 on jaunty. I have to use the -ignoreABI option when starting X but it seems to be working fine. I'm using Kwin effects and wine 3d apps [00:51] astromme-laptop: oh nice, how'd you force the install, equivs or manually from nvidia? [00:52] tvakah: It's now in jaunty repos (180). [00:52] astromme-laptop: and doesn't provide the old conflicting package name? [00:52] tvakah: Doesn't seem to [00:52] nice, I think it's upgrade time then [00:52] I can't connect to my Gtalk account with kopete 4.2rc, someone else? [00:53] tvakah: Are you on amd64 or i386? [00:54] I'm having a crazy plasma crash issue on amd64 [00:54] astromme-laptop: amd64 [00:54] how crazy? [00:55] tvakah: Like plasma crashes before it starts... I'm trying to debug it now. Something in the corona (so core stuff.... gah!) doesn't happen with my i386 machine [00:55] astromme-laptop: when did you upgrade? there was a problem with python-kde4 that got fixed [00:55] Someone else was here having amd64 trouble earlier. [00:56] oh, amd64 [00:56] seele: Today, just an hour or two ago [00:56] * ScottK waves at LaserJock. [00:56] didnt LaserJock have that problem [00:56] yep [00:56] ScottK is on the ball [00:56] ScottK: Did he resolve it? [00:56] hoo wee this coffee is strong. even after cream and syrup [00:56] astromme-laptop: No. [00:58] I'm still not sure what's going on [00:58] I can't start X via X& [00:59] but I can start KDM ok [00:59] LaserJock meet astromme-laptop. astromme-laptop meet LaserJock. Maybe together you can figure it out ... [00:59] ;-) [00:59] I log in, it shows part of the splash, then goes black [00:59] * ScottK wonders if nixternal has bothered to upgrade. [00:59] He also has amd64 [00:59] I check if plasma is started but it's not [01:00] thankfully I don't really need plasma for anything but a wallpaper, so it's not even close to being a showstopper if it goes down in flames for me *upgrades with disregard* [01:00] ScottK: i think nixternal is worried about collecting enough newspapers to burn for warmth [01:00] well, I get nothing [01:01] but I'll let ya'll know just how many plasma pieces I have on the ground after I upgrade this amd64 box [01:01] yes, I get same thing.... [01:01] I have a backtrace [01:01] URL: http://rafb.net/p/3uLKb758.html [01:01] astromme-laptop: what kind of video card? [01:01] someone trying digikam from experimental PPA?. My digikam crash on startup: digikam: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libdigikamcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN6Marble12Ma [01:02] LaserJock: Intel [01:02] same here [01:03] say umm, is the "acpi" package no longer used in jaunty? [01:04] X3100 with -intel drivers? [01:06] I don't think I have an X3100 [01:06] lspci claims: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [01:06] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=0&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 0 [01:07] LaserJock: Same, they're the same card [01:07] k [01:07] so perhaps it's a driver issue then [01:08] LaserJock: Perhaps... crashing on c->initializeLayout(); [01:08] c is Corona [01:16] I guess no one fixored kdesdk? [01:21] LaserJock: So looking at the backtrace it seems to be crashing in http://rafb.net/p/v6StL482.html [01:23] I see [01:23] ScottK: i'll take a look at it [01:47] Ooh, a new kdebase-runtime-data.... maybe that'll fix the crash.... [02:01] ScottK: i have a fix for kdesdk if you are about [02:22] Digikam crash on startup: I follow thi http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/420#comment-18128 and I installed marble-data but nothing changes [02:54] nixternal: can you look at a fix for kdesdk? [02:54] I can look at it quickly [02:54] http://machine-crusade.net/fix_man.diff [02:55] working on a project that I have to get done soon :) [02:55] ah, nevermind then [02:55] have to build the packages before I can move forward, so I can look at the diff now [02:55] sweet [02:56] it's the smallest change i think i've ever made [02:56] now why did I have to look at that diff? [02:56] because i'm not a core-dev [02:57] sdk is FTBFS on all arch's except for amd64 [02:57] how did this get missed before the upload that is now FTBFS? [02:57] no idea [02:57] what's even weirder is it actually built on amd64 [03:02] vorian: that is because the amd64 package didn't build kdesdk-scripts or even attempt to build it [03:04] hmm, happend on my system too [03:10] nixternal: actually it did just build on my system [03:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/105037/ [03:10] give me a debdiff and I will upload for you [03:10] i just did [03:11] ahhh, silly tiling hid that from me [03:12] hold a sec [03:12] you found something else? [03:12] no [03:12] i was making a proper debdiff :) [03:12] no need to [03:12] evening :) [03:12] howdy jjesse [03:13] thanks nixternal [03:13] hi jjesse [03:13] vorian: give me the go ahead and I will press the little red dput button [03:13] hello vorian [03:13] nixternal: fire away [03:13] * vorian pushes revision [03:14] I love how I can just upload a 6MB file in 9 seconds [03:14] that is awesome [03:14] Successfully uploaded packages. [03:14] thanks [03:14] np, thanks for fixing that [03:14] time to start chopping off fingers for missing that kind of stuff :) [03:14] hehe [03:14] that's why I test build on both i386 and x86_64 [03:15] then again, I guess compared to a few, I would be considered quite anal, as I don't only test build on multiple platforms, but I also test installs, updates, and removals...and then do quick regression testing [03:16] I may spend an extra 30 minutes, but at least I know it won't kill a install [03:16] I always thought you were anal [03:16] shove it [03:16] see? :) [03:16] wow.. i skipped over a few key words and read that very wrong [03:17] seele: You too huh? [03:17] ha! [03:17] not the first time :) [03:17] thanks seele [03:17] the peanut gallery is on fire tonight [03:18] nope we are just paying more attention [03:18] maybe I will throw you all into my fireplace to keep me warm tonight ;) [03:18] muhahahahahaha [03:18] I love our weathermen this week [03:18] we were supposed to have a blizzard on monday...we got a light dusting at the most [03:18] I love mine :) [03:18] nixternal: i was laughing at the poor weather man for the weather channel that was standing next to lake michigan holding up a thermoter the camera was trying to focus on [03:18] Looks a lot like hot sun and no rain [03:19] now you know you havea crappy job [03:19] then last night they tell us we should only get another dusting to 2 inches of snow [03:19] we got 7 [03:19] now they are telling us -2f for a high tomorrow with -20 to -40f windchills (-40c for you silly folks) [03:19] and snow tonight...does it ever end? [03:19] It does in negril :) [03:19] in detroit this week, its slightly warmer [03:19] * DaSkreech taunts [03:19] Well, hopefully they are wrong about the temperature. I want warm weather [03:19] nhandler: I am with you [03:20] you are in BG right? [03:20] I can never remember [03:20] Yes nixternal [03:20] how was your snow today? [03:20] it snowed the entire day downtown [03:20] It wasn't too bad. But I did need to clean off the driveway (a few inches) [03:20] The worst part was the blowing wind [03:20] I looked out, saw the sun, and was like hell ya, lets go for a walk...by the time I got downstairs, it was snowing again [03:21] i measured the driveway before snowblowing tonight, just over 7" [03:21] thankfully it was a really light powder though, so it took me no time to clear the drive [03:23] We just got a new snow blower. It went right through the piles of snow without any problems [03:24] i pay someone to plow my driveway [03:24] so i don't worry about it [03:24] vorian: If you're still up and need sponsoring I can do kdesdk. [03:24] real men clean their own driveway [03:24] ScottK: to late :) [03:24] ScottK: nixternal got it for me [03:24] Excellent. That's one thing. [03:24] ass [03:24] nixternal: real men make enough money to pay others to do it for them [03:25] ScottK: also, amarok is done [03:25] jjesse: real men keep their money and buy beer with it [03:25] vorian: Good to hear. [03:25] it's been a fun day [03:25] no it hasn't! [03:25] haha [03:25] no it hasn't [03:26] no internet at the client site means i spend all night catching up on work email :09 [03:26] hahaha, today in our scrum meeting, my boss (Andy) was in it...this is my portion of the scrum: [03:26] I started the USB, then Andy interrupted me and had me work on some silly little thing, then I started USB, and then Andy interrupted me again....I did that about 10 times [03:27] and then it was Andy's turn, and I interrupted him and said "Bugged Rich and Dusty all day" :) [03:27] booyah, hope he got that through his little micro-management skull [03:27] * DaSkreech misses nixternal's Booyahs [03:28] d'oh! [03:29] I see I have written a fairly large chunk of badly broken code...was supposed to clean my db, well it took it from 5GB to just over 23GB :p [03:29] was wondering why it ran for so long, now I know [03:41] Any suggestions on what to kick off the CD if it's oversize again? [03:42] *gtk* :p [03:42] How much oversize? [03:43] Dunno yet. [03:43] why are we having such an oversize issue with jaunty? [03:43] nixternal: Cause Ubuntu sucks [03:43] well, Ubuntu seems to always be within the 1 CD limit [03:43] firefox [03:43] So do we [03:43] I already kicked PIM and Amarok off for Alpha 2. [03:43] I have noticed on a few daily images that it was mid 700's [03:43] Seemingly so [03:43] No Firefox on Kubuntu CD [03:43] kdelibs4 ? [03:44] lol [03:44] Not yet. [03:44] kdebase? [03:44] I thought that Firefox was on the CD? [03:44] just give people the kernel [03:44] Nope [03:44] the kernel? [03:44] Isn't it part of the Windows apps? [03:44] that is what I would remove [03:44] The OpenCd or FOSS CD or whatever? [03:44] kick the windows apps off then [03:44] wubi and whatever else [03:44] * ScottK considers. [03:44] anything packaged by nixternal? [03:44] how about the documentation? [03:44] though, that is part of the ISO QA [03:45] documentation souldn't be all that large since there are no translations in it [03:45] Do we really need plasma and kwin ? [03:46] ha ha [03:46] what needs mysql again? is that still on there? [03:46] nixternal: read the Ars write up on Qt Qiking it to GTK ? [03:46] Amarok [03:46] I think [03:46] Everything that needs mysql is punted. [03:47] Akonadi too which is why PIM is punted. [03:47] anything that needs mysql should never get put back on [03:47] It may come to that for space reasons. [03:47] kdelibs? :0 [03:47] if people don't know how to allow multiple db backends, then it isn't ready [03:47] It's a feature, not a bug. [03:48] * ScottK considers word processing the only office suite function that has to stay on the CD. [03:48] I'll probably trim OOo first. [03:49] ScottK: true, but who is doing word processing in an alpha release? [03:49] Oooh OO.o [03:49] we really need to be testing the base more so than the silly 3rd party apps right now [03:49] Yeah, well it's the chunk of it that sucks the least and gets used the most. [03:50] I would get rid of OO.o over KDEPIM [03:50] When Koffice ships perhaps [03:50] don't hold your breath [03:50] Except it wasn't just KDEPIM. It was PIM/Akonadi/Mysql. [03:50] though I have always preferred KOffice over everything else [03:51] is Akonadi ever going to get plugins for other db's? [03:51] Dunno. [03:51] * ScottK just buries his head in the sand and pretends it's not there. [03:51] * ScottK likes his Maildirs. [03:51] lol [03:52] aren't the maildirs still there even with akonadi? [03:52] I need something to eat...I am starving [03:52] brb [03:53] Dunno for sure. My understanding is it's all in a pretty database and I needn't worry my pretty little head about it because it will be perfect and never lose my data. [04:16] ScottK: just so you know, the dist-upgrade is better than it was last night...running it right now to see what I get [04:16] this is pretty much a default install I am doing it on as well [04:16] Great. [04:16] Except kdesdk amd64 is all built now. [04:16] Did LaserJock ever figure out what was up with his install? [04:17] I don't think so ScottK [04:17] there were no lasers installed [04:17] ScottK: looks like maybe a driver problem or maybe a bug in ... something, astromme_ was looking into it last I heard [04:17] OK. [04:17] launchpadlib is a pretty cool python library [04:18] or package rather [04:18] i just lost plasma [04:18] vorian: sudo apt-get install transfusion [04:18] * ScottK hands vorian the plasma bucket. [04:18] :/ [04:18] sounds like a disease to me, not a bug [04:18] it's both [04:19] kwin's still kick'n though with compositing and everything [04:22] Somone want to port debconf to use Perl QT4 bindings so libqt-perl can go to universe. [04:25] something crashed during the upgrade...and didn't tell me what it was [04:25] but like vorian....I don't have plasma :) [04:26] When I upgraded 4.1.3 to 4.1.4 I had about a bazillion crash on logout when I restarted after the upgrade. [04:26] Since then - fine. [04:26] * ScottK knocks wood. [04:27] ScottK: what's up with bluez? is it working in kde4 yet? if not, that might be something to look at for space [04:27] Nope. [04:27] Already punted. [04:27] It actually turns out we may have some free space. [04:27] alternate came in under. Still waiting for live. [04:28] i just re-booted, all is hunky dory [04:28] ya, rebooting now [04:28] I looked into it... still have no idea [04:28] bluetooth on a laptop is a waste :) [04:28] bluetooth is a waste to be honest [04:28] The furthest I got was... a backtrace that pointed to a function and no more [04:28] nixternal: I hope you're kidding.... [04:28] haha, I love when that happens [04:29] astromme-laptop: not kidding at all actually...I despise bluetooth [04:29] nixternal: I <3 my bluetooth. Laptop -> Nokia N78 -> AT&T 3G plan == goodness internet wherever [04:29] bluetooth as medium? terrible... but a local small wireless standard? great... [04:30] guess I can give you that [04:30] vorian: post reboot == !hunky dory [04:30] Ok, back to the crash... [04:31] http://rafb.net/p/3uLKb758.html is the backtrace. http://rafb.net/p/v6StL482.html is the function [04:31] sorry nixternal [04:32] Looks very computer sciency. Maybe nixternal will fathom it. [04:32] * nixternal removes ~/.kde and tries again [04:32] * ScottK suspects interference from his Windows 7 beta install. [04:33] nope, still dead [04:33] I don't even get a plasma crash [04:33] I just get the "black screen of death" and a mouse cursor [04:33] and krunner [04:34] nixternal: I get that as well. Open up konsole [04:34] That sounds like about what LaserJock was getting. [04:34] nixternal: Then try starting plasma [04:34] and astromme-laptop [04:34] it sounds exactly what I'm getting [04:34] you'll see the "it probably crashed" text [04:34] if you want to get a backtrace, run "gdb plasma" and then "run --nofork -nocrashhandler" [04:35] nixternal: Are you on amd64 or i386? [04:35] amd64 [04:35] ok, we're all on amd64 [04:35] Do you have an intel card? (mine is a 965/X3100) [04:36] yup [04:36] * vorian is on amd64 and has plasma [04:36] Hmm.... 2 bits of similarities [04:36] * vorian has intel [04:36] vorian: 4.2RC? [04:36] hrmm, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty [04:36] of course [04:36] :P [04:37] vorian: kdelibs5: Version: 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1 [04:37] ? [04:37] some of the kdebase-runtime packages just have been published [04:37] kdebase-runtime-data? I just got those... still crash [04:38] Oh, an even newer one... [04:38] * astromme-laptop scurries off to try [04:39] nope, still crash [04:39] might be helpful to remove mysql-server-5.1 until the next version of amarok rolls out [04:40] dpkg -l kde* | grep ^ii [04:40] everything is 4:4.1.96 [04:42] nixternal: it's the kdm [04:42] no [04:42] nevermind [04:43] nope, it is the intel driver [04:43] jaunty or intrepid? [04:43] astromme-laptop: cat /var/log/kdm.log [04:43] Jaunty [04:43] weird [04:44] nixternal: Yuck... [04:44] nixternal: Mail client ? [04:44] i havent updated my system until tonight [04:44] nixternal: Looks like the driver, yuck yuck yuck [04:44] lots of ../../../libdrm/intel/intel_bufmgr_gem.c:664: Error setting memory domains 901 (00000040 00000000): Interrupted system call . [04:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/105046 [04:44] astromme-laptop: yup [04:45] ok, so can I downgrade this driver for now? I'm unfamiliar with how to do that with apt [04:45] Anyone has IMAP in kmail ? [04:45] DaSkreech: Yes, I have DIMAP [04:45] astromme-laptop: i have those errors too [04:45] 5 mailboxes of it infact [04:45] It crashes for me in RC as soon as it starts to pull mail [04:45] vorian: And you have plasma? [04:45] hahaha...my damn kwin effects sill kind of work [04:45] DaSkreech: Haven't tried RC yet [04:45] went to the top left accidentally and everything scaled [04:45] astromme-laptop: yep [04:46] astromme-laptop: Ok expect crashes :) [04:46] nixternal: Mine all work perfectly. Just no desktop... [04:46] DaSkreech: Not good! I need my emails >_> [04:46] I'll know _not_ to upgrade my desktop when I get back to uni in a few days [04:47] wth is ORD camp? my CEO just left me a message and wanted to know if I was interested [04:48] http://machine-crusade.net/plasma_on_intel.png [04:48] xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.5.1-1ubuntu7? and uname -r 2.6.28-4-generic? [04:48] Be Prepared to Demo or Speak. The attendees at this conference are also the presenters. You've been selected because we think you have something interesting to say or show the other folks at the conference. [04:48] oh my, what has he gotten me into [04:48] vorian: What intel card do you have? [04:49] nixternal: Lol! [04:49] 965 [04:49] wth [04:49] http://machine-crusade.net/fun/kubuntu-devel.html [04:49] * astromme-laptop has the same.. X3100 [04:49] I have the G31 [04:49] whatever the hell that is [04:49] yeah, i have a t61 [04:49] it's a love machine [04:50] vorian: Please could the next KDE is really cool screenshot (and it is a great screenshot) not have FIrefox in it? [04:50] I have the X61tablet. Beautiful compact machine [04:50] astromme-laptop: so you think maybe downgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel might work? [04:50] ScottK: sure :) [04:50] ScottK: it was a spur of the moment thing [04:50] LaserJock: Dunno.... it seems that vorian has the same card as us though, and he has a working plasma [04:51] ScottK: but FF is the bestest ever!!!!1! [04:51] vorian: What's your kernel version and xorg video driver version? [04:51] umm [04:51] astromme-laptop: aptitude changelog xserver-xorg-video-intel [04:51] astromme-laptop: all the newest jaunty provided [04:51] is your version different than the one installed in the changelog? [04:51] i have ZERO update pending [04:51] lol [04:52] yes, we kept the good packaging for ourselves :P [04:52] LaserJock: FF is the most free of the non-FOSS browsers. [04:52] nixternal: Yes mine is ubuntu7 not ubuntu9 [04:52] right [04:52] wth is that all about? [04:53] ScottK: ok, I'll stick with konq for one week and see if i can switch [04:53] ScottK: or is it the most non-free of the FOSS browsers? [04:53] vorian: I still use both, but I find I use FF only a little. [04:53] FF is the bestest ever memory hog! [04:53] LaserJock: Perhaps. [04:53] nixternal: Dunno... earlier I had a similar thing... I could see the 4.1.96 package of kdebase-workspace-bin in the repo but I couldn't upgrade to it and apt said no upgrades.... [04:53] epiphany + webkit ftw! [04:53] Meh..... Konqueror + KHTML here [04:53] I can't stand konqi or epiphany :( [04:54] Mostly what I use too. [04:54]