[00:01] <dpwalsh> Having grub problems. Failed install left me with no grub file (that I can see) google search suggestions havn't worked. Can anyone help?
[00:04] <nin> Nabend! Neuling hat ein Problem mit der Wiedergabe von Streams - sitz schon 2 Tage/Nächte dran. HELP! :)
[00:04] <Tm_T> !de | nin
[00:05] <nin> kk
[00:07] <stnormal> i have a weird problem where ubuntu won't finish loading (it stalls when x should first start... the screen just goes blank, but x never loads) if I don't manually select Ubuntu at the grub prompt
[00:07] <stnormal> it loads fine if I hit enter, but it doesn't load if I let it load automatically
[00:07] <marius__> ppl
[00:08] <marius__> at last it worked, it reads the dvd
[00:08] <marius__> but k3b ain't able to write on it
[00:08] <marius__> gives error
[00:09] <flashkidd> what error it gives?
[00:09] <|aleph0|> hello. where is the best place to go to ask a question on iptables and NAT?
[00:10] <astromme-laptop> google?
[00:10] <marius__> it sais "write error". sometimes is sais "input/output error"
[00:10] <marius__> dvd's are fine
[00:10] <marius__> I tried with more than 2
[00:11] <astromme-laptop> marius__: That could be a drive issue.... if you have another os on the machine, can you write cds/dvds with it?
[00:11] <marius__> yep
[00:11] <marius__> vista
[00:11] <flashkidd> k3b uses wodim to work, u can try the command line
[00:11] <marius__> it writes them super well
[00:12] <ruffles_> how do connect to another channel?
[00:12] <marius__> i tiped wodim
[00:12] <marius__> and got  some responses
[00:13] <flashkidd> nice, what it gives?
[00:13] <marius__> wodim: No tracks specified. Need at least one.
[00:13] <marius__> Usage: wodim [options] track1...trackn
[00:13] <marius__> Use     wodim -help
[00:13] <marius__> to get a list of valid options.
[00:13] <marius__> Use     wodim blank=help
[00:13] <marius__> to get a list of valid blanking options.
[00:13] <marius__> Use     wodim dev=b,t,l driveropts=help -checkdrive
[00:13] <marius__> to get a list of drive specific options.
[00:13] <marius__> Use     wodim dev=help
[00:13] <marius__> to get a list of possible SCSI transport specifiers.
[00:14] <marius__> sorry
[00:14] <marius__> but that's it
[00:14] <flashkidd> try dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0
[00:14] <stnormal> is there a way to unload/reload a device? Apparently, my NIC only works sometimes in kubuntu, and if I could figure out some way to keep reloading the device instead of rebooting the system until it works, that'd save me a lot of time
[00:14] <flashkidd> it gives info aboute the media
[00:15] <marius__> yep
[00:15] <marius__> it does
[00:15] <marius__> but...quite many lines
[00:15] <flashkidd> no problem, than its reading ok
[00:16] <flashkidd> what u need to write, is a iso file?
[00:17] <marius__> yeah, now it's reading it, and dolphin also detects it. just won't write. nope, ain't .iso...just some .jpegs and some .doc
[00:17] <flashkidd> hummm
[00:18] <flashkidd> u can write dvds iso from command line just like from graphical interface
[00:18] <marius__> autoplay runs like a dream...if it would just write the disc ohhh...i'd go to sleep heheh
[00:19] <flashkidd> what message k3b gives to you?
[00:19] <marius__> k...but i'm trying to setup a user friendly desktop environment so that certain ppl can do basic tasks
[00:19] <marius__> well
[00:20] <marius__> it sais "write error". sometimes is sais "input/output error"
[00:21] <flashkidd> U can try create a image iso and burn in command line to check if the drive is working fine
[00:22] <flashkidd> the command to do so is...
[00:23] <flashkidd> /usr/bin/wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=4 driveropts=burnfree starwars1.iso
[00:23] <flashkidd> for example
[00:23] <flashkidd> u change the iso name with the name of the image
[00:24] <marius__> thanks for the assistance ;) but I give up till tomorrow...it's kinda' late now...2 am
[00:24] <marius__> I wrote the command
[00:24] <marius__> heh
[00:25] <marius__> tomorrow's a fresh new day for headaches
[00:25] <marius__> bye and thanks a lot
[00:25] <flashkidd> ok
[00:25] <flashkidd> c ya
[00:26] <flashkidd> ur welcome
[00:26] <IagoBR> i need to install JAVA on Wine to Run Runescape anybody can help me ?
[00:27] <Elloc>  i need to install JAVA on Wine to Run Runescape anybody can help me ?
[00:27] <astromme-laptop> Elloc: woah.... java on wine? why?
[00:27] <astromme-laptop> Why does runscape need wine? isn't it browser-driven?
[00:27] <maxbaldwin> runescape doesn't need wine...
[00:28] <maxbaldwin> it needs flash plugin for mozilla
[00:28] <maxbaldwin> *the flash plugin
[00:28] <jennifer> hey i was wondering how to use Konsole to open a deb file
[00:28] <jetlee> hey i need some help
[00:28] <astromme-laptop> jennifer: open a deb file? meaning install it?
[00:29] <flashkidd> U can ask jetlee
[00:29] <jetlee> jennifer sudo *.deb
[00:29] <jetlee> yeah i am using dual sound cards
[00:29] <astromme-laptop> jennifer: You should be able to click on it and have it install...
[00:29] <jetlee> how do i switch under kde
[00:29] <astromme-laptop> JediatNight: If not, install with gdebi-kde filename.deb
[00:29] <jennifer> i'm trying to install gimp 2.6.3
[00:29] <astromme-laptop> whoops, that was for jennifer
[00:30] <astromme-laptop> jennifer: if that doesn't work, then yes, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[00:30] <JediatNight> astromme-laptop: Np
[00:30] <jennifer> when i look for it in my adept manager, all i get is the old version of GIMP..2.4.5
[00:30] <astromme-laptop> jennifer: Fine. install it with "gdebi-kde gimpfilename.deb"
[00:31] <jetlee> yep go to the download page and add it from there
[00:31] <astromme-laptop> jetlee: Which version of kde?
[00:31] <jetlee> any one using dual sound cards under kubunutu
[00:31] <astromme-laptop> jetlee: In 8.10 you can use the systemsettings to select your primary output
[00:32] <astromme-laptop> jetlee: In 8.04 or before it's different. Do you have <=8.04 or do you have 8.10?
[00:32] <stnormal> how can I make grub not automatically load an OS?
[00:32] <jetlee> 8.10
[00:32] <stnormal> oh, I suppose I need to run some utility from inside kubuntu
[00:33] <astromme-laptop> stnormal: Check out the file /boot/grub/menu.lst . There is an entry for "auto start" or something like that
[00:33] <astromme-laptop> stnormal: You'll need root (sudo) to edit it
[00:33] <stnormal> k
[00:33] <stnormal> thanks
[00:33] <tomas__> Hello!!
[00:33] <jetlee> i always prefer the other sound card
[00:33] <astromme-laptop> jetlee: Go to System Settings -> search for sound -> you can choose output device
[00:33] <flashkidd> hello
[00:34] <jetlee> the sound cards keep changing on its own i dont know what to do
[00:34] <webbi> hello
[00:34] <tomas__> Somebody speak Spanish? My english is not very good
[00:34] <webbi> anybody that is currently using qtcreator?
[00:34] <webbi> tomas__: Yo
[00:34] <tomas__> I'm in Venezuela
[00:34] <astromme-laptop> !es | tomas__
[00:34] <flashkidd> I speak some
[00:34] <webbi> tomas__: nose si puedo ayudarte, pero al menos intentalo
[00:34] <astromme-laptop> I speak some as well
[00:35] <webbi> tomas__: yo soy de argentina
[00:35] <tomas__> Hi webbi, Hi flashkidd
[00:35] <flashkidd> yo soy de brasil
[00:35] <webbi> tomas__: hola!
[00:35] <tomas__> Muy bien! Trabajo con brasileños
[00:35] <jetlee> wait going to login under kde
[00:35] <tomas__> Me gusta el inglés pero aún no lo hablo muy bien
[00:35] <astromme-laptop> jetlee:  You don't have to, you can use alt+f2 and enter "systemsettings"
[00:36] <webbi> tomas__: con el tiempo ya te acostumbras
[00:36] <Makuseru> Hi, I've just installed Kubuntu 8.04, how would i go about removing KDE4 and installing KDE3?
[00:36] <tomas__> Si. Me imagino. Espero viajar para Estados Unidos y aprender bien el idioma. Tengo familiares en Canadá también
[00:37] <flashkidd> tomas__: legal
[00:37] <tomas__> Trabajo en la Construcción de la Central Hidroeléctrica Fabricio Ojeda. El Proyecto es Brasileño.
[00:37] <Makuseru> !kde3
[00:38] <torkiano> Makuseru: install intrepid and then KDE4.2 ;-)
[00:38] <Makuseru> torkiano: I tried that, it was horrible,
[00:38] <tomas__> La construye la empresa ALSTOM
[00:38] <astromme-laptop> Makuseru: You should be able to install "kubuntu-desktop" to get your kde3 desktop
[00:38] <torkiano> Do you try KDE 4.2?
[00:38] <astromme-laptop> Makuseru: As for removing your kde4.0 desktop? I dunno.
[00:39] <flashkidd> tive um amigo que trabalhava na alstom
[00:39] <Makuseru> astromme-laptop: as long as i can choose KDE3 when i log in it'll be fine.
[00:39] <flashkidd> soy engenheiro
[00:39] <tomas__> OK. Los brasileños son gente muy trabajadora
[00:39] <Makuseru> torkiano: No, 4.1.
[00:39] <tomas__> Yo también
[00:39] <tomas__> Ingeniero civil
[00:39] <astromme-laptop> Makuseru: You will be able to. "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" for the one-liner to install it
[00:40] <Makuseru> astromme-laptop: ive got that going now. thanks.
[00:40] <astromme-laptop> Makuseru: No problem
[00:40]  * fidji est de retour.
[00:40] <webbi> tomas__: bueno, yo trabajo con algunos brasile~nos tambien, pero todo por internet
[00:40] <tomas__> Instalé el UBUNTU en mi computador de trabajo
[00:40] <flashkidd> qual eres tu problema?
[00:41] <astromme-laptop> Makuseru: I will say, I'm working with Jaunty (9.04) alphas and kde 4.2 RC and wow, it's really smooth.
[00:41] <tomas__> Bien webbi. En que parte de argentina estás? Tengo amigos que han viajado para allá
[00:41] <jetlee> ummm
[00:41] <torkiano> Makuseru: 4.2 is very improved
[00:41] <tomas__> Conoces a una Doctora Ingeniero de nombre María Graciaela Fratelli?
[00:41] <tomas__> Graciela, perdón
[00:42] <tomas__> Es Argentina. Me dió clases en la universidad
[00:42] <jetlee> ok sound is not comming
[00:42] <Makuseru> astromme-laptop: I upgraded lastnight, because i remember trying KDE4 when 8.04 came out thiking "This will be sweet!" and I hated it, so i went back and just though "well, they will get it fixed by 8.10" so i tried it lastnight and it was just garbage. Not just KDE4, but Intreped. I had so many problems with it i just downgraded.
[00:43] <jetlee> kmix is so bogus
[00:43] <webbi> tomas__: mmm la verdad que no la conozco, yo estoy en Capital Federal
[00:43] <jetlee> how do i get a nice alsa frontend
[00:43] <tomas__> Una amiga fue de luna de miel para allá y en un hotel le robaron todo. Eso pasa en cualquier país.
[00:44] <astromme-laptop> Makuseru: I undesrtand, and that's unfortuante =/
[00:44] <webbi> tomas__: pasara en cualquier pais, pero aca la verdad es que ya es insoportable
[00:44] <flashkidd> jetlee: u can use alsamixer in command line
[00:44] <jetlee> yep but how do i set a sound card to default one
[00:45]  * PSiL0 gives Makuseru a lollipop
[00:45] <flashkidd> jetlee: sorry I only have a card working...
[00:45] <Makuseru> astromme-laptop: it might be due to my ancient hardware. I just kept getting Grub Errors and then No sound.
[00:45] <jetlee> this thing will make u crazy
[00:46] <Makuseru> PSiL0: I don't take candy from strangers in IRC rooms.=P
[00:46] <flashkidd> jetlee, u need the 2 cards working? why dont u try only one?
[00:46] <PSiL0> Makuseru: :)
[00:47] <Makuseru> Thanks for all the help guys.
[00:47] <tomas__> Es irresponsabilidad del hotel el no dar la cara para resolver el problema. No investigaron nada y sólo ofrecieron más días sin cancelarlos. Fueron de verdad muy cabezadura
[00:47] <jetlee> anyone usind dual sound card on kubuntu
[00:47] <tomas__> Entré al servidor en español
[00:48] <webbi> tomas__: lo imagino...
[00:48] <webbi> tomas__: Ok, suerte por alli
[00:49] <astromme-laptop> jetlee: What applications are you trying to use that use sound?
[00:49] <tomas__> Gracias, amigo...
[00:49] <astromme-laptop> jetlee: Are they gnome apps? kde3 apps? kde4 apps?
[00:49] <webbi> tomas__: de nada!
[00:49] <tomas__> o amiga...
[00:49] <login_> l
[00:56] <stnormal> any alsa experts here?
[00:57] <jetlee> whats your problem normal
[00:57] <stnormal> when I try to do a speaker-test, I get the error ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1429:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
[00:58] <stnormal> there's two audio adapters installed, my analog one and an HDMI adapter
[00:58] <jetlee> lol my problem is dual sound card
[00:58] <stnormal> and aplay finds them both
[00:58] <jetlee> i cant switch them etither
[01:07] <stodge> Weird, my xorg.conf is configured for the nvidia driver, but according to the log file it's using vesa
[01:10] <zetheroo> how do I get the plugins working in Gwenview?
[01:11] <stodge> I used the "hardware drivers" application to install the nvidia driver. Any ideas?
[01:14] <jetlee> ummm
[01:14] <jetlee> to do changes to xserver u have to be root
[01:14] <alipio> Hello.. I'm trying to use the widget RSSNOW.. but it does not work..  according to kde forum its a little problem with kdebase-workspace package....
[01:15] <alipio> Anyone know how to fix that?
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> anybody using kopete,gpg cryptography plugin on KDE4? Mine doesn't display recv'd messages, however it sends fine.
[01:17] <powertool08> Does anyone know of a program to create cd labels (for cd itself not case) specifically with the memorex template WL-OL5025
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> powertool08: glabels
[01:19] <zetheroo> ﻿how do I get the plugins working in Gwenview?
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> not positive, but it's the best hope.
[01:19] <powertool08> LeeJunFan: Does it have a template for the memorex label sheet or will it print in some random area of the page?
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> powertool08: I'm not sure, it has templates for tons of stuff.
[01:20] <powertool08> LeeJunFan: Ok, thanks
[01:23] <powertool08> LeeJunFan: Thanks again, I found the template I need :)
[01:33] <stodge> How do I change the default audio device?
[01:34] <stodge> I have three audio devices; onboard, pci and usb. I want the usb one to be used by default. The driver is loaded ok
[01:35] <powertool08> stodge: I have my onboard disabled in bios
[01:35] <stodge> I guess I could do that... I don't use it.
[01:43] <zetheroo> I installed Crossover Office but its nowhere in the menu ...
[01:43] <zetheroo> where can I find it?
[01:44] <powertool08> zetheroo: In a terminal, run whereis crossover and see if it finds it
[01:45] <alipio> zetheroo: how did u install that?
[01:45] <zetheroo> its a .deb file
[01:45] <zetheroo> in Ubuntu its automatically added to the menu
[01:46] <alipio> or type in terminal: which crossover
[01:46] <zetheroo> whereis crossover returns nothing
[01:46] <alipio> if its in the path.. it'll show you where it is
[01:47] <zetheroo> which crossover returns nothing as well
[01:47] <zetheroo> I know its installed properly be cause when I right-click on an EXE file it has the option to open it with Crossover
[01:49] <powertool08> zetheroo: try cross <tab> in a terminal and see if it autocompletes
[01:50] <zetheroo> nope
[01:50] <alipio> weird... try dpkg -S nameofthepackage to find where the files were installed in your system...
[01:52] <zetheroo> ok I have an idea
[01:52] <zetheroo> where is the preferences for the Kmenu?
[02:00] <zetheroo> well this is really frustrating
[02:07] <yao_ziyuan> i'm downloading the ppa.launchpad.net kubuntu updates
[02:07] <yao_ziyuan> very slow. hope this time the Oxygen/Ozone window decorations get fixed
[02:17] <stnormal> gah... I updated alsa and it made things worse, but now I can't get back to the original set-up
[02:18]  * dr_willis wakes up....
[02:30] <stnormal> if I reinstall kubuntu over an existing installation, will it automatically remove all of the old stuff?
[02:31] <TraceRoute> anyone know how to enable sidekick compiz effect on kde?
[02:31] <stnormal> or am I better off backing up what I'd like to save, and then wiping the partition completely?
[02:31] <powertool08> stnormal: If you tell it to format the partition on reinstall then yes it will overwrite everything
[02:32] <powertool08> !ccsm | TraceRoute  I'd guess somewhere in there?
[02:33]  * fidji probablement en train de jouer au Go
[02:34] <stnormal> what I meant was that I was wondering if i reinstalled from a disk, if it'd be like a fresh installation, or if all of the old conf files and drivers and everything would mess things up?
[02:35] <powertool08> stnormal: Like I said, if you tell it to format and overwrite everything then it will.
[02:35] <stnormal> so it won't if I don't?
[02:37] <powertool08> stnormal: If you keep your home partition and /etc/ folders then chances are it won't fix it.
[02:37] <stnormal> k
[02:54]  * fidji est de retour.
[02:57] <c_lusby> Hi - can we still see the media protocol in dolphin with kde 4?
[02:58] <c_lusby> i.e. to mount cdrom/hdd without using command line?
[03:00] <TraceRoute> I can't get any features with simple-ccsm to enable anyone have this problem?
[03:09] <jgarbers> am wondering if kubuntu will properly support a dual-head monitor installation with an ATI Radeon 9800 - it's working under GNOME with a regular Ubuntu install
[03:09] <jgarbers> but i'd prefer to try KDE
[03:11] <p_quarles> jgarbers: well, that's an Xorg question, ultimately; chances are, though, if the setup works with Compiz it will probably work with Kwin
[03:12] <jgarbers> p_quarles: compiz-check tells me the card doesn't have enough memory to run full effects on the dual-head setup, so i have desktop effects off
[03:12] <OxDeadC0de> :| k screensavers failed to upgrade
[03:13] <jgarbers> if i have "regular" ubuntu installed, but would like to try KDE, am i better off installing Kubuntu in a different partition, or trying to get KDE and Ubuntu to cohabitate?
[03:13] <jgarbers> excuse me - KDE and GNOME
[03:13] <OxDeadC0de> I have both
[03:13] <p_quarles> jgarbers: the components don't affect each other
[03:14] <p_quarles> jgarbers: the worst that will happen is that you have some unwanted programs in your menu
[03:14] <jgarbers> okay, so i can just install and run KDE on the same partition without conflict? that's cool
[03:14] <p_quarles> yes, it could be that it won't work, but then you'd just have to change back to the gnome session
[03:15] <p_quarles> but, ultimately, kwin allows for as much flexibility in turning off effects as compiz does, so there shouldn't be a problem
[03:16] <TraceRoute> anyone with my issue?
[03:16] <jgarbers> okay, i've googled for some instructions and will go give it a try. wish me luck
[03:17] <spjcr> good luck
[03:19] <TraceRoute> any of you get simple-ccsm to enable effects? it opens and everything but doesn't take effect
[03:22] <zac_> whats the GIF editor for kubuntu ????
[03:22] <DaSkreech> jgarbers: instructions are easy
[03:23] <DaSkreech> install kubuntu-desktop, logout, press alt+t, login
[03:30] <JoJoBobJoBob> whats the GIF editor for kubuntu ????
[03:31] <jgarbers> JoJoBobJoBob: gimp?
[03:31] <jgarbers> just a guess
[03:31] <Nomexous> krita is the KDE equivalent
[03:31] <Nomexous> I don't remember if KDE came with one installed.
[03:31] <Nomexous> An editor, I mean.
[03:32] <DaSkreech> tkpaint?
[03:32] <Nomexous> kolourpaint?
[03:36] <JoJoBobJoBob> NO
[03:36] <JoJoBobJoBob> i just downloaded gimp........DIDNT WORK....now i shall try krita
[03:37] <JoJoBobJoBob> i hope it works =D (y)
[03:37] <p_quarles> JoJoBobJoBob: what are you trying to do with it?
[03:38] <JoJoBobJoBob> make a .gif animation
[03:38] <DaSkreech> JoJoBobJoBob: Do you know how to make a gif?
[03:38] <p_quarles> well, GIMP can certainly do that
[03:39] <JoJoBobJoBob> holy
[03:39] <JoJoBobJoBob> calm down
[03:39] <JoJoBobJoBob> nerd
[03:39] <JoJoBobJoBob> THAT WAS MY FRIEND
[03:39] <JoJoBobJoBob> SORRY
[03:39] <OxDeadC0de> crap, I can't get ruby scripts to run in kde 4.2 rc 1 that worked in b2
[03:39] <OxDeadC0de> plasma scripts*
[03:41] <jgarbers> can anyone help troubleshoot my dual-monitor setup? both DVI-0 and VGA-0 are appearing in the Display - System Settings dialog, but although I make changes to arrange the displays and turn off cloning, clicking "Apply" doesn't have any effect
[03:41] <OxDeadC0de> http://pastebin.ca/1308759
[03:41] <DaSkreech> JoJoBobJoBob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-9_HwRcd1A
[03:41] <jgarbers> i have mirrored screens now - the larger monitor is stuck mirroring the smaller monitor's resolution
[03:42] <jgarbers> i've turned off desktop effects; on GNOME compiz-check said my card didn't have enough memory to do effects in dual-head mode
[03:42] <DaSkreech> JoJoBobJoBob: http://blogs.sun.com/rajkumar/entry/how_to_create_an_animated
[03:42] <JoJoBobJoBob> TY
[03:43] <nicholas_> hello
[03:43] <tacosarecool> hello
[03:43] <DaSkreech> hi umm tacos
[03:43] <tacosarecool> I've got a problem
[03:43] <tacosarecool> KDE side is acting weird
[03:43] <tacosarecool> And I think it's because of the ubuntu key ring
[03:44] <tacosarecool> it's getting confuzzled
[03:44] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: Unlikely but tell us what you are seeing
[03:45] <tacosarecool> I'm on wireless connection right now I broke my desktop by accident but I'm going to fix it but I'm on laptop
[03:46] <tacosarecool> And it lags in kubuntu when I'm in dolphin and there's photos
[03:46] <TraceRoute> any of you use simple-ccsm?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: turn off preview ?
[03:47] <tacosarecool> But it gets to laggy before  I get to do that
[03:47] <tacosarecool> in gnome its fine
[03:47] <tacosarecool> In kde it lags
[03:48] <Eutychus> hello. i used bittorrent to dl the dvd iso of kubuntu i386 which is taking up almost 4 gigs on my hd; but when i try to copy the iso to dvd it only burns 780 megs and tries to install ubuntu instead of kubuntu. i use nero 7. i would like the gigs worth of dvd and kubuntu to load. what am doing wrong?
[03:49] <dwidmann> Weird ... I just built kdenetwork (4.2rc) and launched kopete ... and the settings dialog is blank :S
[03:50] <dwidmann> Eutychus: first, check the md5sum of the image
[03:50] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: what version of KDE?
[03:50] <dwidmann> Eutychus: compare it to what it should be
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Eutychus:
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Stop burning it as a CD ISO ?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> hi coreymon77
[03:51] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: CD ISOs are only ~702MB though
[03:51] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: hey, whats up
[03:51] <Eutychus> nero doesnt give me an option. it automatically assumes the iso is a cd. even though i put a dvd in.
[03:51] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: aren't they?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: As I recall with Nero it had a button to switch between CD mode and DVD mode
[03:52] <DaSkreech> So he could be in ISO burn Setting but in CD mode so it only burns it like a CD
[03:52] <stnormal> wahoo! I got sound and wired networking to work!
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: Which Nero?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> stnormal: Whoooooooooooooooot
[03:52] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Too much I'm Camping tomorrow
[03:53] <stnormal> is there a good alternative to windows media center for linux?
[03:53] <Eutychus> nero7
[03:53] <DaSkreech> stnormal: What do you want from Media Center?
[03:53] <tacosarecool> daskreech I have 4.1
[03:53] <tacosarecool> latest
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: Look at the top to see if there is a drop down box for CD/DVD ?
[03:53] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: 4.1.4 ?
[03:53] <stnormal> well, the DVD player for now. I really like the fact that I can hit stop, close the player, and then open it up later and have it resume from where I left off
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Oh As I recall most players in KDE do that
[03:54] <stnormal> hah.
[03:54] <Eutychus> yes. even though i select dvd... it still only burns 780 megs of ubuntu. i am wasting blank dvds..
[03:54] <DaSkreech> I don't really watch DVds so I don't know if it's true :)
[03:54] <DaSkreech> But I remember it being mentioned
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: BUrn it to an ISO then
[03:54] <stnormal> i might have to give that a try. Does kubuntu come with one standard, or should I just get VLC?
[03:54] <dwidmann> vlc is pretty decent for watching DVDs, but it doesn't stop/resume like that
[03:55] <DaSkreech> see what size it burns it to then
[03:55] <DaSkreech> !iso
[03:55] <DaSkreech> !burn
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: ^^^^
[03:55] <dwidmann> stnormal: I'd just get VLC
[03:55] <PSiL0> so guys, how does amarok 2.0.1.1 handle compilations?
[03:55] <stnormal> oh
[03:55] <dwidmann> stnormal: you'll also need libdvdcss2 from medibuntu
[03:55] <dwidmann> !css
[03:55] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[03:56] <PSiL0> amarok 1.4.10 was okay, but I can't see Various (Artists) under Genre-> Artists -> Albums
[03:56] <tacosarecool> no
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[03:56] <stnormal> oh, uhm... also, WMC interacts well with the media buttons on my laptop
[03:57] <DaSkreech> !ops
[03:57] <Eutychus> i will need to dl the md5 program also. i am currently using a desktop computer with win2k to dl the iso, and them am trying to burn it to dvd so i can load it on a laptop with vista for a dual boot.
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: I'd get a simpler burning program myself there are too many free good ones to waste time with stuff like that
[03:58] <DaSkreech> thanks vorian
[03:58] <vorian> no problem
[03:58] <DaSkreech> vorian: can the bot do that on nicks ?
[03:58] <Eutychus> i am open to suggestions.
[03:58] <kernco> I'm trying to use the Amazon MP3 downloader, but it doesn't run giving the error "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::length_error',  what():  basic_string::_S_create
[03:58] <Eutychus> i hate nero
[03:59] <vorian> DaSkreech: which bot?
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Ashampoo is one
[03:59] <vorian> oh, yeah
[04:00] <DaSkreech> vorian: That "person" comes in from time to time This is the third time I've seen them do that. Nick is always some form of negro or nigger Can the Bot scan for stuff like that and trigger an alert?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Eutychus: deepburner is very simple and good
[04:01] <Eutychus> k. i will dl the md5 and the deepburner and try again... thank you, DaSkreech
[04:01] <stnormal> !medibuntu
[04:02] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: I bet it can, getting it to do that though, ask the owner of the bot?
[04:03]  * fidji probablement en train de jouer au Go
[04:05] <stnormal> doesn't medibuntu come with a flash player?
[04:07] <PSiL0> flash player?
[04:07] <PSiL0> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Adobe-Flash-Player-64-bit-on-Ubuntu-8-10-98076.shtml
[04:07] <PSiL0> or.. I use vlc to play downloaded flv files
[04:07] <PSiL0> !flash
[04:07] <stnormal> ahh, ty
[04:07] <PSiL0> np
[04:10] <PSiL0> anyone tried amarok 2.0.1.1?
[04:12] <White_Pelican> is skype available in the repositories?
[04:15] <PSiL0> !skype | White_Pelican
[04:16] <White_Pelican> ty
[04:17] <DaSkreech> fidji: Espanol ?
[04:18] <BluesKaj> PSiL0 , I tried amarok 2 and I din't like it much ...dumbed down so it's supposedly esdier to use, but in doing so it dumps some of my fav features , so i reinstalled amarok 1.4
[04:18] <BluesKaj> err easier
[04:18] <PSiL0> BluesKaj:  Hmm, that was my reaction when trying their beta 2 release
[04:19] <PSiL0> Once I heard 2.0 wasn't too different, I held off... 2.0.1.1 looks promising, but I'm hesitant from upgrading when I have 1.4.10, for the most part, working the way I want it to work
[04:19] <p_quarles> BluesKaj: the nightly builds are more like what you're used to; plus, they can be installed side by side
[04:20] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Eh?
[04:20] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: When was it dumbed down to be easier to use?
[04:21] <PSiL0> p_quaries:  Hmm, if that's the case, I might try it again...  I just want to see if amarok 2's feature set is enough to convince me to drop 1.4.10
[04:21] <PSiL0> or mature enough..
[04:21] <jack_> is digikam installable with kde4.2beta - still seems to want to rip out gwenview and some plasmoids as well as replace some libs with older versions
[04:21] <BluesKaj> p_quarles  , well i'll wait til they reinstitute the the bitrate that various net radio stns are using for example
[04:22] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: your estimation or you have an informant?
[04:23] <DaSkreech> jack_: Beta is gone now
[04:23] <jack_> sorry, meant rc
[04:24] <BluesKaj> no informants , but i'm sure they got compalaints
[04:26] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: I'm sure too but they didn't dumb down anything in an effort to make it easier to use
[04:26] <DaSkreech>  The rewroote and reimagined everythign from scratch
[04:26] <DaSkreech> So just like KDE 4.0 some things just haven't made the cut as yet
[04:27] <BluesKaj> well DaSkreech , it looked like that to me with that silly interface ...I wasn't impressed
[04:27] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: That was one of the things that kinda happened to be around when 2.0 shipped. they don't like it either
[04:27] <p_quarles> yeah, it's simplified because they haven't (yet) reimplemented all the features
[04:31] <compubomb> anyone in here use the new KDE ?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/852-Drive-by-Mockups.html
[04:32] <compubomb> 4.2 ?
[04:32] <DaSkreech> compubomb: tell us what you think the new KDE is and we will answer
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Ok :)
[04:32] <compubomb> i'm running ubuntu and was wondering if it's worth trying out.
[04:32] <DaSkreech> compubomb: technically 4.2 doesn't exist yet
[04:32] <compubomb> well kde 4.2 rc1
[04:32] <DaSkreech> compubomb: I think it's worth your time to look
[04:33] <compubomb> DaSkreech: last time i tried kde 4.x the audio didn't work and it just felt really unpolished.
[04:33] <DaSkreech> compubomb: I think it's worth your time to look
[04:33] <BluesKaj> getting late here ..sacktime for me ...g'nite
[04:33] <albuntu> DaSkreech: hi :)
[04:34] <DaSkreech> compubomb: 4.0 was really interesting but not worth a hard look for those not dedicated 4.1 was hard on both sides not enough to be sold just broken enough to be aggrvating
[04:35] <DaSkreech> 4.2 is sound enough to encourage hardened tech users to look at it and smooth enough to live in
[04:35] <DaSkreech> hi albuntu
[04:35] <albuntu> i managed somehow to resolve that crash problem
[04:36] <DaSkreech> albuntu: Great!
[04:37] <albuntu> thanks :) removed the sources from sources.list , updated , restarted and it was gone. than i reactivated the sources and its ok. it was strange. i didnt understood what was causing that but this solved the problem
[04:38] <DaSkreech> That would :)
[04:39] <albuntu> by the way any idea on how to add a desktop launcher from terminal ? i am playing with the live cd. i know i have to add them to /etc/skel but dont know how because i am in chroot
[04:41] <DaSkreech> I don't understand what you are trying to do
[04:41] <tweakedeh> No one in the windows channel will reply to me. Does any one know how to make a autorun file open a folder?
[04:41] <tweakedeh> Would I use 'action=' ?
[04:43] <tacosarecool> Daskreech should I update to 4.2?
[04:43] <tacosarecool> it is in release candidate now
[04:43] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: I don't know should you?
[04:43] <tacosarecool> I will
[04:43] <DaSkreech> There you go
[04:44] <tacosarecool> How do I get 4.2 enable unsupported updates?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: Read the topic
[04:49] <genii> albuntu: /etc/skel is a template which is used for when you add new users. Not really related to your Q of how to add a desktop launcher from a terminal
[04:50] <albuntu> genii: i am playing with an ubuntu live cd
[04:50] <albuntu> and i wanted to add to the live cd desktop some launchers
[04:50] <albuntu> so from what i read in google i have to put them in /etc/skel
[04:50] <albuntu> because thats the default desktop
[04:51] <albuntu> you know what i mean
[04:54] <DaSkreech> albuntu: We don't
[04:54] <genii>  /etc/skel is not some default desktop. It's a directory layout which is used when the system adds new users
[04:54] <DaSkreech> at least I don't
[04:55] <genii> When you do: adduser <username> it looks at /etc/skel for what should be in their /home/username
[04:56] <albuntu> genii: yes. but for the live cd it acts as a desktop. sorry if i am not saying the right thing and you are misunderstanding me but for the live cd it acts as the user desktop and thats what i want to do exactly. to put some launchers in there so after the ubuntu install they show in the desktop of the created user during the install
[04:57] <DaSkreech> albuntu: I'm not sure the live CD works like that
[04:58] <Makuseru> !resolution
[04:58] <albuntu> DaSkreech: if you check the Live CD /etc/skel it has the Examples inside
[04:59] <albuntu> and the examples launcher takes you to the examples folder
[04:59] <DaSkreech> albuntu: Not saying it doesn't just last time I tried it didn't work like that
[04:59] <genii> DaSkreech: Well, if you put something into /etc/skel of livecd before install, then whatevers in there is used as the template for the user which is created during install. But thats acting same as it usually does
[05:00] <DaSkreech> genii: huh didn't work when I tried it
[05:00] <DaSkreech> but that was like 7.04
[05:00] <albuntu> genii: exactly thats what i was saying
[05:00] <DaSkreech> albuntu: In any case you probably want a .desktop file
[05:00] <albuntu> it takes the desktop of the created user from /etc/skel
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Which is my contribution to the discussion
[05:00] <albuntu> DaSkreech: right i want a .desktop
[05:01] <genii> albuntu: Not the desktop. the entire contents of their home directory. The Desktop folder is only one folder in their home dir
[05:01] <albuntu> genii no. i meant that i want to add the .desktop files to the etc/skel. that would do the trick
[05:02] <albuntu> i have installed what i needed with chroot
[05:02] <albuntu> and now the only problem is to make the shortcuts that i want from the terminal
[05:02] <albuntu> from chroot
[05:13] <beachsurfin> i'm tired of this showing up: http://dpaste.com/109255/
[05:13] <beachsurfin> how to remove it?
[05:14] <beachsurfin> i did apt-get remove *some important lib* but used ctl-c to stop it when i saw that it was about to removed all these libraries. now i have this message each time i want to use apt
[05:14] <astromme-laptop> apt-get autoremove will remove them. /shrug
[05:17] <beachsurfin> not wanting to remove them, that's for sure
[05:17] <beachsurfin> my sys will be broken
[05:19] <DaSkreech> beachsurfin: Not with auto remove
[05:20] <beachsurfin> this had better not be a sick joke :P
[05:21] <DaSkreech> beachsurfin: Nothing there is critical to the system
[05:22] <DaSkreech> that can mostly be put back with a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <astromme-laptop> those are all development packages
[05:22] <astromme-laptop> so if you're compiling things... you might run into some problems, but you can get them back easily
[05:22] <DaSkreech> libjasper isn't :-)
[05:22] <astromme-laptop> O.O ok
[05:23] <DaSkreech> but it's really non essential
[05:23] <DaSkreech> nothing there is really important
[05:24] <beachsurfin> okay
[05:24] <beachsurfin> done
[05:25]  * beachsurfin sits and waits for potential catastrophy
[05:25] <beachsurfin> doom and gloom, the 'ol nutcracker
[05:26] <tacosarecool> ok
[05:26] <tacosarecool> kde 4.2 is epic!
[05:27] <tacosarecool> it's a little bit more laggy but more stable
[05:32] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:37] <nashk> hi
[05:37] <DaSkreech> !hi
[05:37] <nashk> I have 2.6.27-11 installed and want to downgrage to 2.6.27-10
[05:38] <nashk> how would I do that?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> apt-get install kernel-generic=2.6.27-10
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Or some such
[05:41] <genii> linux-kernel-2.6.27-XX-generic or -386 or such such be the packagename. If you deinstall the -11 the -10 will stil be there installed and in grub
[05:42] <genii> linux-image-    rather
[05:42] <genii> DaSkreech: I'm having caffeine deficiency :)
[05:42] <nashk> genil: Nope, I haven't done that.
[05:42] <DaSkreech> genii: I'm outta chocolate
[05:42] <genii> Damn
[05:42] <nashk> I installed -11 with adept
[05:43] <nashk> trying to find a way to do through it, but it only show -9
[05:43] <genii> nashk: -10 may not exist.
[05:44] <genii> !info linux-image-2.6.27-10-generic
[05:44] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:45] <genii> !info linux-image-2.6.27-10-generic hardy
[05:45] <genii> !info linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic
[05:45] <genii> nashk: There is no -10
[05:47] <nashk> genil: Yeah, but I'm trying to simply downgrade to whatever is lesse than -11
[05:47] <nashk> but I can't find -11 in adept
[05:47] <nashk> how can i list pachages with apt-get
[05:48] <Frederick> folks I cannot make Xserver work I have (EE)No devices detected. When the installer first set up it I had terrible flicker problems now it does not work after envyng
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Frederick: tried the X fix in recovery mode ?
[05:49] <Frederick> DaSkreech: yes
[05:49] <DaSkreech> What did it output?
[05:50] <TraceRoute> using the menu editor for the k menu, is there a way to edit the sub menus? like in my internet menu theres a submenu that says more applications but when I look through kde menu editor its not showing the sub and i can't edit them
[05:50] <genii> nashk: You can use like: sudo apt-get update             then: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.27                     which should return a list of all the 2.6.27 kernel images available to install
[05:50] <Frederick> DaSkreech: I have the error I mentioned No devices detected.
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Frederick: that's what is returned when you run xfix ?
[05:51] <Frederick> no
[05:51] <DaSkreech> What's the output of sudo lshw -C video
[05:51] <Frederick> DaSkreech: lemme run it again oki?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Can You login here from the command line?
[05:52] <Frederick> DaSkreech: im on irssi
[05:52] <Frederick> DaSkreech: oki I have 2 controlers listed one is my gpu the other is the onboard video card
[05:53] <Frederick> DaSkreech: ?
[05:55] <Frederick> DaSkreech: are you there?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Yes?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Frederick: try disable one in the BIOS
[05:58] <Frederick> DaSkreech: can I pvt youso I can post the output of the command?
[05:58] <DaSkreech>  do you use both?
[05:58] <Frederick> oh nice call!
[05:58] <Frederick> no
[05:58] <DaSkreech> !paste
[05:58] <Frederick> oki
[05:58] <Frederick> I will try the bios step oki?
[05:59] <Frederick> brb
[05:59] <Frederick> :q!
[06:05] <TraceRoute> does anyone know how to edit the more application submenus in kde menu editor
[06:06] <tacosarecool> how do  get rid of radio button?
[06:07] <tacosarecool> How do I get rid of thhe radio button?
[06:10] <tacosarecool> !how to get rid of radio butto
[06:10] <tacosarecool> !customize
[06:10] <DaSkreech> What radio button?
[06:10] <tacosarecool> you know that round thing on top
[06:11] <tacosarecool> you see the icon then you see another icon
[06:11] <Frederick> im back but theproblem remains
[06:12] <Frederick> now I have the crazy flicker again
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Wha video card?
[06:12] <kalorin> does anyone know much about the knetworkmanager vpnc plugin?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: top of where?
[06:12] <tacosarecool> any windows
[06:12] <tacosarecool> window
[06:12] <Frederick> DaSkreech: Geforce 8800 GTS I had it working perfectly with older kubuntu
[06:12] <kalorin> it works GREAT on my laptop running 8.04 but not on my desktop running 8.10
[06:12] <tacosarecool> the 0 will a period in
[06:12] <kalorin> just can't get it to connect, or for that matter even see that vpnc is a possible configuration
[06:13] <kalorin> new connection shows wireless and wired and that's it
[06:13] <Frederick> DaSkreech: I have an error when I try to run the nvidia program to configure the video
[06:13] <kalorin> wondering if I'm missing a package or something
[06:13] <tacosarecool> Oh if you have ubuntu and kubuntu log into ubuntu first then kubuntu?
[06:13] <tacosarecool> that's what I  have to do on laptp
[06:13] <tacosarecool> laptop
[06:13] <Frederick> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver line.
[06:14] <djsebson> Hi ;]
[06:14] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: Button with a Button?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Which error?
[06:15] <tacosarecool> Next to the tool tip
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Frederick: paste bin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:15] <DaSkreech> !hi | djsebson
[06:16] <Frederick> DaSkreech: http://pastey.net/106366
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Frederick: oooook
[06:18] <Frederick> DaSkreech: any idea about what is messed up?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Frederick: try switch Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv"
[06:20] <Frederick> DaSkreech: and re start X right?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Frederick: yes
[06:20] <Frederick> brb
[06:20] <djsebson> in kde 4.2 RC1 does not work desktop cube? : (
[06:23] <Frederick> DaSkreech: no chnge
[06:23] <Frederick> DaSkreech: I seem to be using a wierd frequency thou
[06:23] <tacosarecool> daskreetch I'm talking about the circle that has a period in it that's on top of any window
[06:24] <tacosarecool> for example you see the name firefox on the window but before that on left
[06:24] <tacosarecool> the radio button I think it's called
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Is your monitor correct?
[06:25] <DaSkreech> djsebson: It works Press Ctrl+F11
[06:26] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: oooh you mean the sticky button ?
[06:26] <Frederick> DaSkreech: how do I select it?
[06:26] <tacosarecool> yeah
[06:26] <tacosarecool> what's the point of it?
[06:27] <djdarkman> hello, can someone tell me how can I get usermake on hardy?
[06:27] <djdarkman> I can't seem to find a package for it
[06:27] <afd_> hi! I'm using kde 4.2 latest beta with ubuntu intrepid and I get this error when trying to compile a binary plasmoid (these plasmoids worked on the first beta, but they crash plasma under the new one) http://dpaste.com/109260/
[06:27] <tacosarecool> it's not a package it's a  command
[06:27] <afd_> any ideas on what I can do?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: It pins a window to all the desktop so if you switch desktops you still see the window
[06:27] <djdarkman> tacosarecool: yes but which package contains it?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Frederick: It's in the xorg.conf are those settings right?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> djdarkman: usermake ?
[06:28] <tacosarecool> Oh it's useless
[06:28] <djdarkman> DaSkreech: yep
[06:28] <tacosarecool> to me
[06:28] <tacosarecool> Cause I don't use multi desktops
[06:28] <DaSkreech> afd_: being looked at now you should have a new set of packages soon that will work
[06:28] <nahy> is there anything like system restore in linux?
[06:29] <afd_> DaSkreech: thanks! :)
[06:29] <tacosarecool> you mean sudomake?
[06:29] <Frederick> DaSkreech: SYNC AND REFRESG?
[06:29] <Frederick> ops
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Right are those out of line for your monitor?
[06:30] <lovre> does anyone here know Matlab? i need some help. sorry for offtopic...
[06:30] <lovre> does anyone here know Matlab? i need some help. sorry for offtopic...
[06:30] <lovre> oops and sorry for spam :(
[06:30] <tacosarecool> !lovre offtopic
[06:30] <Frederick> DaSkreech: seemed to be wrong I fied it will reboot X oki?
[06:31] <tacosarecool> !lovre #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:31] <Frederick> brb
[06:31] <lovre> :D
[06:31] <tacosarecool> !lovre social
[06:31] <tacosarecool> !stickbutto
[06:32] <lovre> tacosarecool: what are you trying to tell me :D
[06:33] <tacosarecool> go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:34] <tacosarecool> How do  I get rid of sticky button?
[06:35] <lovre> wash it?
[06:35] <tacosarecool> lol
[06:35] <kalorin> so, does anyone know how to get knetwork-manager-vpnc to actually allow you to configure a vpnc connection?
[06:35] <Frederick> DaSkreech: seems tha same
[06:36] <kalorin> all i can get it to do is show wired and wireless as connections
[06:36] <Frederick> DaSkreech: seems better now
[06:36] <tacosarecool> kalorin>
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Make up your mind :)
[06:36] <kalorin> ?
[06:36] <tacosarecool> Do yo have gnome also like me?
[06:36] <tacosarecool> I use kde mostly
[06:37] <kalorin> I installed the network-manager-gnome package as well
[06:37] <kalorin> and it does the same thing
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !vpn
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:37] <kalorin> I see the VPN tab, but it's grayed out like I can't use it
[06:37] <tacosarecool> kalorin get rid of gnome package
[06:37] <kalorin> yeah i did
[06:37] <kalorin> after i saw it also wouldn't work
[06:37] <kalorin> it's like it doesn't know that vpnc is installed
[06:38] <kalorin> or the kernel doesn't have a module or something
[06:38] <kalorin> just weird
[06:38] <tacosarecool> I use kde mostly
[06:38] <kalorin> wondering if I should force a reinstall of all these packages
[06:38] <kalorin> it works great on my laptop that's running 8.04
[06:38] <kalorin> but this desktop running 8.10 just no go
[06:38] <tacosarecool> Hmm reinstall knetwork
[06:38] <kalorin> really strange
[06:39] <Frederick> DaSkreech: can you give me the adress of that website that explains how to install flash and java/
[06:39] <DaSkreech> !flash
[06:39] <tacosarecool> flash you get from synaptic
[06:39] <DaSkreech> !java
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Frederick: kubuntu-restricted-extras installs that plus MP3 support etc
[06:41] <Frederick> thanks a lort
[06:41] <Frederick> it is so good to be back to linux
[06:42] <tacosarecool> Chrome should be released by june for linux and mac
[06:42] <kalorin_> mkay
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Chrome is a windows Application
[06:43] <Frederick> KDE4 seems to rock
[06:43] <kalorin_> ok removed network-manager network-manager-kde network-manager-gnome network-manager-vpnc
[06:43] <kalorin_> reinstalled
[06:43] <kalorin_> reboot
[06:44] <kalorin_> still no VPN option in knetworkmanager
[06:44] <kalorin_> any other ideas/
[06:44] <kalorin_> it's like it's missing a package or something
[06:46] <DaSkreech> k I have to head to bed now
[06:46] <tacosarecool> wait
[06:46] <DaSkreech>  I have to get up at 4:30 to go to a conference
[06:46] <DaSkreech> It's 2:00 now
[06:46] <tacosarecool> How do I get rid of sticky button
[06:46] <Frederick> DaSkreech: thanks a lot for all
[06:46] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: Try a different style or a different window manager
[06:47] <DaSkreech> alt+F3 and play around in there
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Frederick: Sure
[06:50] <tacosarecool> I hope th
[06:51] <tacosarecool> is doesn't happen lol http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_11416203
[06:51] <kalorin_> so I can go ahead and run kvpnc
[06:51] <kalorin_> and configure it and it connects fine
[06:51] <kalorin_> but knetwork manager gives me no options
[06:51] <kalorin_> go figure
[06:51] <kalorin_> like not even an option to create a vpnc connection there
[06:51] <kalorin_> just flat out isn't there
[06:51] <kalorin_> I mean go figure
[06:52] <lgk> any suggestions on tracking down / installing my onboard gpu drivers?
[06:52] <kalorin_> yeah install envyng
[06:53] <lgk> envyng, is this package i can get through adept?
[06:53] <kalorin_> yeah
[06:53] <lgk> ty :D
[06:53] <kalorin_> sudo apt-get install envy<tab><tab>
[06:53] <kalorin_> it's really nice for getting that stuff
[06:53] <kalorin_> way better than the old pull, unzip, build, install
[06:54] <kalorin_> oh and pray
[06:54] <kalorin_> :)
[06:54] <lgk> im assuming it's a kind of auto-detector?
[06:54] <lgk> pray :(
[06:54] <kalorin_> yeah it does a bang up job
[06:54] <kalorin_> just give it a try
[06:54] <kalorin_> can't miss
[06:55] <lgk> mind me asking why the two tab's after envy ?
[06:55] <lgk> ohh
[06:55] <lgk> i see
[06:55] <lgk> :D
[06:56] <kalorin_> auto-completion is your friend, that's why :)
[06:57] <lgk> sorry i've got no exp with linux ;d
[06:57] <lgk> when i tab tab it's basically ls in a directory.. what am i doing :D
[06:58] <lgk> sudo apt-get install envyng-core ?
[06:58] <lgk> or qt
[06:58] <kalorin_> qt I believe
[06:58] <kalorin_> yeah qt
[06:58] <nahy> is there anything like system restore in linux?
[06:59] <lgk> ty tons kalorin :D
[07:00] <kalorin_> n/p
[07:00] <kalorin_> i was sure happy to find it ;)
[07:00]  * kalorin_ backs up his system
[07:01] <kalorin_> <---- dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1
[07:01]  * kalorin_ hsrugs
[07:01] <lgk> oh man
[07:01]  * kalorin_ shrugs
[07:01] <kalorin_> igk, nice huh?
[07:01] <lgk> how do i access it? :D
[07:01] <lgk> LoL
[07:01] <lgk>  ./envyng \ fail
[07:01] <lgk> :D
[07:01] <kalorin_> it failed?
[07:01] <kalorin_> wow
[07:01] <kalorin_> maybe it's just for ati or nvidia
[07:01] <kalorin_> not sure
[07:01] <kalorin_> time for bed though
[07:01] <lgk> install went fine
[07:02] <lgk> bash: ./envyng: No such file or directory
[07:02] <kalorin_> oh no
[07:02] <lgk> ah, oh well thanks :D
[07:02] <kalorin_> just envy
[07:02] <lgk> haha
[07:02] <kalorin_> or rather go to the kicker menu
[07:02] <kalorin_> utilities
[07:02] <kalorin_> there's an icon
[07:02] <lgk> ty :D goodnite
[07:02] <kalorin_> or jsut type envyng
[07:02] <kalorin_> or in your case, envyng -k
[07:02] <kalorin_> for kde
[07:03] <lgk> that worked
[07:03] <lgk> out of everything
[07:03] <kalorin_> if -t for text
[07:03] <kalorin_> out of everything?
[07:03] <lgk> whoa
[07:03] <lgk> yah it's not in utilities
[07:03] <lgk> and ./envy didn't work
[07:03] <lgk> but envyng -k did
[07:03] <kalorin_> no not ./envy
[07:04] <kalorin_> just type it, it's not in your directory where you are, that's with the ./ is for
[07:04] <kalorin_> :)
[07:04] <kalorin_> it's in the command path
[07:04] <lgk> but, it's giving me a list of 6 gpu's, 1 being nvidia, 5 being ati, and they are ALL recommended lol
[07:04] <kalorin_> thus no need to put the ./ in front
[07:04] <lgk> gotcha, ./ = immediate directory
[07:04] <kalorin_> do you know what's in the machine?
[07:04] <kalorin_> nvidia or ati?
[07:04] <lgk> it's some onboard crap
[07:04] <lgk> lol
[07:04] <kalorin_> ah
[07:04] <lgk> emachines older thing
[07:04] <lgk> no clue if it's nvidia or ati haha :D
[07:04] <kalorin_> it might not detect onboardcrap so well, I've never tried it with that
[07:05] <lgk> o
[07:05] <kalorin_> might be able to tell from the dmesg
[07:05] <kalorin_> get out of there and type dmesg | more
[07:05] <kalorin_> and read to see if it gives a hint
[07:05] <kalorin_> otherwise it's open the machine for you sadly
[07:05] <lgk> :D
[07:05] <kalorin_> or pull emachines site and put the model in adn see if it says there
[07:05] <kalorin_> ok laters
[07:05] <kalorin_> nighty
[07:05] <lgk> it's already open to lazy to bootdown and check it out haha
[07:05] <lgk> thank you :D nite
[07:05] <kalorin_> n/p
[07:06] <nahy> i tried to install tor but adept faced an error and since then all of my installations return an error
[07:07] <lgk> nahy
[07:07] <lgk> are you getting fatal errors
[07:07] <lgk> alot
[07:07] <lgk> ?
[07:07] <nahy> not a lot
[07:07] <lgk> that ish happend to be on the previous kubuntu install, but it did it for almost everything i opened :D
[07:07] <nahy> but the first app i tried was gimp and so on
[07:08] <nahy> it says that it is installed but i cant use it
[07:09] <lgk> :/
[07:09] <lgk> im still having troubles getting flash to work in konq lol
[07:09] <lgk> or even FF
[07:09] <nahy> i see
[07:10] <nico_> :(
[07:10] <hushard> its quite straight forward instaklling the plugins isnt it
[07:10] <nico_> my laptop still does not have sounds..
[07:10] <nico_> i am almost giving up
[07:11] <nico_> been battling this for a week now..
[07:11] <nico_> i need help ((
[07:21] <Jzege> Hi I tried to activate the desktop effects for kubuntu 8.1, but then my screen went black and white. Is there any way to off the effects?
[07:41] <teeps> i have an issue with an ethernet connection not working.  This is a fresh install of kubuntu on an older dell lappy
[07:42] <teeps> "failed to activate" "connection was not provided by any settings service"
[07:43] <teeps> bueller... bueller... anyone... anyone?
[07:45] <xp-killer> how do i know witch programes are using what port?
[07:47] <xp-killer> teeps: so if u dont have internet conection how are u in here?
[07:48] <teeps> diff computer
[07:48] <xp-killer> teeps: u try pluging in the othe pc direct to the box?
[07:48] <xp-killer> router*
[07:49] <teeps> yeah... i'm using a connection that I know works because I used it on another puter about a 1/2 hr ago
[07:49] <teeps> and this isn't a wireless issue... this is hardwire
[07:51] <xp-killer> teeps: if your router have internet?is the cables plug in good?u check see if its not the fir wall blockin your pc?can u conect to the router from the pc by doing something like 192.168.1.1?
[07:59] <MinusSeven> is Kubuntu female friendly?
[08:00] <tictric> MinusSeven: certainly
[08:04] <p_quarles> MinusSeven: what does that mean?
[08:10] <cupidtoo> I have a Kubuntu question.  I recently installed it via the Wubi installer.  When I first installed it, it defaulted to 1600x??? screen resolution but had about a one and a half inch black border around the entire screen.  I normally use 1024/768 so I figured the display would fill the screen fully but it still has that same black border.  I use Windows XP a lot so I don't want to have...
[08:10] <cupidtoo> to keep stretching and shortening the width and height of my screen each time I change OSs... any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:15] <cupidtoo> anyone home??
[08:16] <teeps> some are home.... just waitin by the phone
[08:16] <teeps> just _waiting_ for that call
[08:16] <cupidtoo> Anyone home that could possibly answer my question?  ;)
[08:22] <edgy> Hi, when I reply to a message the old one is not quoted! The standard template looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/1308989 what's wrong please?
[08:25] <toki> hey anyone able to help me with a ubuntu resolution problem
[08:27] <edgy> toki: what's your problem?
[08:28] <toki> ok im pretty sure my drivers are running ok  i think my problem is with my machine not reconizing my monitor its a 32" hd lcd with vga inputs
[08:33] <edgy> toki: again what's the problem?
[08:33] <edgy> toki: you  cannot change the resolution?
[08:35] <toki> edgy: its not reconizing my monitor im using my 32" hd lcd
[08:36] <edgy> toki: what do you mean by not recognizing? you want to set a higher resolution and it doesn't change it?
[08:38] <toki> it doesnt give me the option for a higher resolution 640*480 is the highest i can get
[08:43] <nahy> i tried to install tor but adept faced an error and since then all of my installations return an error
[08:45] <nahy> is there anything like system restor in linux that i can use to correct my adept?
[08:46] <edgy> toki: what's you vga card?
[08:46] <toki> nvidia fx 5200
[08:46] <edgy> nahy: launch synaptic and remove it
[08:47] <edgy> nahy: you will find a section called broken
[08:47] <edgy> toki: and you are sure the drivers of nvidia is installed properly?
[08:49] <toki> edgy: yeah i can change everything for the card just not the resolution it gives me one option for monitors crt-0 and the highest resolution it gives me is 640*480
[08:49] <dwidmann> nahy, try running "sudo apt-get -f install", or "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[08:50] <nahy> thank you
[08:50] <dwidmann> Depending on the error, it may be too soon for thanks
[08:51] <edgy> toki: in system settings -> display you cannot see but 640*480?
[08:51] <nahy> ok
[08:52] <nahy> i paste what it returned
[08:52] <toki> edgy: correct
[08:53] <nahy> ldconfig deffered processing now taking place
[08:53] <nahy> is that ok?
[08:54] <edgy> toki: then try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually and sepcify the resolution
[08:54] <toki> edgy: ok how do i do that
[08:55] <toki> ed
[08:55] <toki> edgy: i have the xorg open but im a noob sorry
[08:56] <nahy> for apt-get -f it returned dpkg was interrupted
[08:56] <nahy> i tried --configure -a
[08:57] <nahy> it returned: ldconfig deffered processing now taking place
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> !fixapt
[08:57] <edgy> toki: see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[08:57] <edgy> nahy: try sudo apt-get -f remove
[08:58] <edgy> nahy: or dpkg -r your_broken_package
[08:59] <nahy> Reading package lists... Error!
[08:59] <nahy> E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device)
[08:59] <nahy> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[09:00] <dwidmann> no space left on device says something nahy
[09:00] <nahy> should i delete some of my files and try again?
[09:01] <nahy> dwidmann: ?
[09:01] <toki> edgy: hey thanx for the help and the link its to late for me to start something this in depth tonight
[09:02] <edgy> toki: np and it's better to ask on #nvidia they may give you easier solutions
[09:02] <nahy> dwidmann: should i delete and try again?
[09:02] <edgy> nahy: yes
[09:03] <dwidmann> nahy: delete some stuff and try again sounds like a good plan
[09:03] <dwidmann> nahy: df -h will let you know which device is full
[09:03] <dwidmann> should also serve as assurance to prove that the device in question actually is full
[09:05] <rdylina> anyone alive
[09:05] <dwidmann> nope, stone cold dead
[09:06] <nahy> my root folder is full but im afraid and dont know which one should i del
[09:07] <dwidmann> nahy: clear out /var/cache/apt/archives first
[09:07] <dwidmann> nahy: next do /var/log
[09:08] <Alan_Lockwood> Hi
[09:08] <Alan_Lockwood> Is there any aplication like "nvidia-settings" for ATI ?
[09:08] <nahy> you mean delete something in those folders?
[09:09] <nahy> OK?
[09:09] <dwidmann> nahy: you can probably get away with deleting everything in /var/cache/apt/archives, as per /var/log, you can delete any of the archived files
[09:09] <dwidmann> (*.gz, *.bz2)
[09:09] <MinusSeven> i went back to Ubuntu
[09:09] <MinusSeven> When I installed Kubuntu, and installed the 4.2 beta kde, sound only worked for one program at a time
[09:10] <Alan_Lockwood> Any ATI user here?
[09:11] <stdin> Alan_Lockwood: I think fglrx-amdcccle is what you're looking for
[09:12] <Alan_Lockwood> ty
[09:13] <nahy> dwidmann: something strange: in context menu, move to trash is not active
[09:13] <dwidmann> nahy: you'll need root privileges to do it
[09:13] <dwidmann> nahy: and moving to trash isn't a valid option for 2 reasons
[09:13] <dwidmann> nahy: a), seeing as the partitionis full, so then is the trash can
[09:13] <nahy> i can go root just in bash
[09:14] <dwidmann> nahy: sudo -s
[09:14] <dwidmann> nahy: or you could opt for something like kdesudo dolphin
[09:15] <nahy> when root is full cant i send something to trash?
[09:16] <dwidmann> nahy: sending to trash moves something to the same partitions trash can, if the partition is full then the trash can is full too
[09:17] <dwidmann> nahy: you'll have to delete the stuff for real, and seeing as the files I pointed you at are non-critical (logs and a cache) you won't miss them anyway
[09:18] <nahy> i see but i cant still delete them because i cant go root sorry
[09:19] <dwidmann> nahy: why can't you?
[09:19] <nahy> i said that in dolphin i dont know what to do to be root
[09:20] <dwidmann> nahy: you have to launch it with the command kdesudo dolphin for it to have root privileges, I've mentioned that before haven't I?
[09:20] <nahy> im so sorry, i know that it's crazy
[09:21] <nahy> i found it
[09:22] <nahy> does shift+delete remove them forever?
[09:23] <dwidmann> nahy: should
[09:27] <nahy> now i have 13% of my root free can i free up further more?
[09:30] <nahy> and is it necessary that i run apt-get -f remove?
[09:30] <nahy> dwidmann: and is it necessary that i run apt-get -f remove?
[09:32] <nahy> dwidmann: now i have 13% of my root free can i free up further more?
[09:34] <nahy> dwidmann: now i have 13% of my root free can i free up further more?
[09:35] <dwidmann> nahy: well, that might be difficult
[09:35] <dwidmann> nahy: you've cleaned out the expendable stuff already
[09:35] <nahy> ok thank you a lot my friend
[09:43] <fjellrev1> I know this may be far fetched but here goes: Anyone have any experience when it comes to laptop fans?mine is running at full speed all the time,not so elegant in the study hall :)
[09:45] <nahy> dwidmann: yesterday i installed gimp after all i wanted to run it but i can't see it in my graphic apps but i find it in adept installed
[09:47] <dwidmann> try to run it manually then, to see if it's really installed
[09:48] <nahy> how to run it manually?
[09:48] <nahy> yes yes it's running
[09:49] <nahy> i typed gimp and it ran
[09:50] <nahy> thank you again
[09:50] <dwidmann> nahy: , maybe logging out then logging back in will add it to the menu
[09:50] <nahy> OK
[09:51] <fjellrev1> nahy: or you could make your own shortcut if that fails,think the correct path would /usr/bin/gimp
[09:53] <nahy> thank you too
[09:53] <zenum> hey, i'm having a bit of a problem with krdc 4.1.3 where the main screen doesn't have a window border or title bar, thus preventing me from moving/resizing the app
[09:53] <zenum> does anyone know of any way I can somehow restore the functionality?
[09:55] <cuznt> zenum try system settings>window behavior
[09:56] <zenum> cuznt: i'm using gnome, but I do have kde installed, if I get it to come up right in kde would it remember the settings in gnome?
[09:57] <cuznt> i think so
[10:08] <Salze_> fjellrev1: I've got an ThinkPad X40 and there is a script for (this) ThinkPad that regulates the fan speed.
[10:09] <easyfit_> hey, I'm trying to get my wired network working on my laptop, and I can get it to work if I do stuff manually in a terminal, but the "helpful" knetworkmanager doesn't do the job... it's like it's not even updating the system with the config I type in... any idea what's going on here?
[10:10] <easyfit_> for example the IP i type in doesn't get set to eth0 when I check it out with ifconfig
[10:11] <easyfit_> it does work fine for the wireless though
[10:12] <Salze_> easyfit: AFAIK NM doesn't work for static IPs.
[10:13] <easyfit_> oh... so basically I'm just out of luck then
[10:13] <fjellrev1> Salze_: I have a fujitsu-siemens amilo not sure if I want to experiment with others :) if you dont vouch
[10:13] <Salze_> Can't you use dhcp?
[10:14] <easyfit_> another strange and annoying this is that even if I configure it manually so I can for example ping google and use konqueror to browse the web, firefox can't find a connection
[10:14] <easyfit_> Salze_, afraid not
[10:15] <Salze_> easyfit: That might be due to ff "thinking" that you don't have a connection. I think you can tell him not to try to be smart - but I don't know how.
[10:15] <ActionParsnip1> easyfit_: sometimes firefox loads up in offline mode
[10:15] <easyfit_> hmm I see...
[10:15] <ActionParsnip1> easyfit_: let me get you the fix
[10:15] <easyfit_> ActionParsnip1, that would be great
[10:17] <ActionParsnip1> easyfit_: to get it online for the session: file -> work offline (or similar)
[10:17] <ActionParsnip1> easyfit_: here's the fix for all sessions: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+question/31925
[10:18] <easyfit_> I'll try that... I might lose the IRC connection when I kill the wireless now, but thanks for the help!
[10:18] <ActionParsnip1> easyfit_: np man
[10:23] <ActionParsnip1> lord only knows why firefox is crippled like that
[10:23] <easyfit__> it actually seems to be working now... wireless disabled and I can browse with firefox, thanks :)
[10:24] <ActionParsnip1> i'd recommend opera :)
[10:25] <easyfit__> opera seems to be a good browser, but I work a lot with web development so it's better for me to use a 'bigger' browser
[10:31] <ActionParsnip1> easyfit__: good to test with all browsers
[10:33] <easyfit__> yepp, but still, there's some good reasons for using firefox for daily usage if that's what the people you're building for is using... not saying that I don't care about making it work in other browsers as well...
[10:34] <easyfit__> besides, I'm happy with ff, work well for me, has some useful plugins as well
[10:36] <PSiL0> !alsa
[10:36] <PSiL0> !amixer
[10:36] <PSiL0> !thanks
[10:36] <PSiL0> !nothanks
[10:37] <PSiL0> !thanks Psil0
[10:37] <PSiL0> !thanks | Psil0
[10:37] <PSiL0> bah...
[10:37]  * PSiL0 kicks stupid bot
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> ubottu ftw
[10:43] <sniper435> afternoon - can anyone help me with an issue with kde 4.2 rc?
[10:43] <ActionParsnip1> !anyone | sniper435
[10:45] <sniper435> I've just installed kde 4.2 rc from the kubuntu-experimental repos (i was running 4..2 beta 2 from the same place), since the upgrade kde is very unstable, specifically kwin is constantly crashing.. pretty much as soon as its re-run itself after a crash it goes again
[10:45] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: thats one reason i dont use kwin
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: is there anything in logs / dmesg?
[10:46] <sniper435> 1 sec..
[10:47] <sniper435> nothing obviously related to kwin or the crashes in dmesg logs
[10:47] <modman24> hey
[10:47] <modman24> got a quicky question
[10:47] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: try all the system logs
[10:47] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | modman24
[10:47] <sniper435> what do you run if not kwin i've never had a problem with it before
[10:48] <sniper435> oki, i'll brb...
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: ive always run fluxbox but i use kde apps
[10:48] <modman24> just loaded up kubuntu, i plugged in my external hd that i have all my stuff on, im trying to copy stuff off... its a usb 2.0 port and a usb 2.0 drive. but im only getting transfer speeds of 900kb
[10:49] <modman24> anyone know whats wrong... ive googled around and not found anything of use
[10:49] <sniper435> nope, nothing in the logs
[10:50] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: what does dmesg say  about the device, you'll find it at the bottom if you unplug it and plug it back in
[10:51] <modman24> how do i run that... im not used to kubuntu... i switched from pclinuxos
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: its a terminal command
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: well, konsole in kde
[10:54] <modman24> sb-storage: device scan complete
[10:54] <modman24> [   21.973036] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access     WD       5000AAV External 1.65 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4
[10:54] <modman24> [   21.983275] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors (500108 MB)
[10:54] <modman24> [   21.996256] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
[10:54] <modman24> [   21.996261] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 21 00 00 00
[10:54] <modman24> [   21.996264] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[10:54] <modman24> [   22.010255] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors (500108 MB)
[10:54] <modman24> [   22.022251] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off
[10:54] <modman24> [   22.022258] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 21 00 00 00
[10:54] <modman24> [   22.022261] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[10:55] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: please use pastebin in future
[10:55] <modman24> sorry.
[10:55] <ActionParsnip1> np
[10:55] <modman24> any ideas?
[10:56] <modman24> i have like 48gb of music to transfer.
[10:56] <modman24> and at 900k... thats gonna take days
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> is both reading and writing slow, or is it only one direction thats slow
[10:57] <modman24> i dont have anything large i can copy to it to test.
[10:57] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: you could create a file using dd
[10:57] <ActionParsnip1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432119
[10:58] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?showtopic=163229
[10:59] <modman24> 6.4 k write speeds
[11:01] <modman24> so what are your thoughts?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: read those link i pasted
[11:06] <sniper435> Well i'm still stumped on whats wrong with kwin, as yet i've not seen any reports of anyone with a similar problem with the kubuntu-experimental packages either
[11:07] <modman24> it says to turn off "synchrous" but i dont know where that option is.
[11:08] <sniper435> hhmm...
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: me neither, i dont use usb drives, too slow
[11:09] <ghostcube> anyone knows about buggy 64 bit 4.1.4 update ?
[11:09] <ghostcube> :)
[11:09] <ActionParsnip1> modman24: have a websearch round, see where you can set it
[11:11] <sniper435> i think thats a mount option, you can either mount sync or async
[11:11] <sniper435> i dont know how you change how kubuntu auto mounts it, maybe fstab?
[11:12] <ActionParsnip1> man mount ?
[11:13] <BattleStarJesus> I'm not sure why but my dbus server is not starting?  I found out because I can't delete my trash.  How can I begin to resolve this issue?
[11:14] <ActionParsnip1> !trash | BattleStarJesus
[11:14] <ActionParsnip1> BattleStarJesus: try manually emptying trash manually
[11:19] <BattleStarJesus> It is empty.
[11:19] <BattleStarJesus> But the data is still on my drive nothing has been deleted?
[11:20] <ghostcube> hmmm its definetly that update to 4.1.4 has broken my 64 bit system anyone knows if this will be fixed or anything is known
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: what's broken and how is it broken?
[11:22] <ghostcube> good question it starts with an strange crash handler report direct after starting kde 4.1.4 then the sound settings in systemsettings are broken i cant open them and amarok isnt starting anymore
[11:23] <ghostcube> yesterday this seemed to be cause not all packages was build
[11:23] <ghostcube> but today i have all packages as it seems
[11:23] <ghostcube> and all windows from system hasent got window decorations of compiz
[11:23] <sniper435> compiz or kwin?
[11:23] <ghostcube> compiz
[11:24] <sniper435> fair enough, only wondered as my upgrade to 4.2 rc has broken kwin
[11:25] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: you using an nvidia gfx card?
[11:25] <ghostcube> yep gt 8600
[11:25] <ghostcube> it worked like charm till 4.1.4
[11:25] <ghostcube> ^^
[11:25] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: you need some xorg.conf options in screen
[11:25] <ghostcube> eh ?
[11:26] <modman24> i cant get it to work still.
[11:26] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, to get systemsettings workjing and amarok ?
[11:27] <ghostcube> ok for the decos maybe but i wouldnt lknow which settings
[11:27] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: add these lines to your screen section to get the windows decorations back:
[11:27] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[11:27] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, oO iam compiz support i have all lines inside xorg.conf
[11:27] <ghostcube> but thx
[11:28] <ghostcube> btw iam on nvidia-glx-180
[11:28] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-392734.html
[11:28] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: i thought you said you were missing windows decorations
[11:29] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, only from the system windowws
[11:29] <ghostcube> all others working
[11:29] <ghostcube> dolüphin is missing
[11:29] <ghostcube> systemsettings is missing
[11:29] <ghostcube> and so on
[11:29] <ghostcube> firefox works
[11:29] <ghostcube> xchat works
[11:29] <sniper435> i'd say your missing packages
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: you'll need the xorg.conf extra bits then as far as I can tell
[11:29] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, wanna see my xorg.conf :D
[11:30] <ghostcube> no thats not what i need
[11:30] <ghostcube> its definetly an bug
[11:30] <ActionParsnip1> sure
[11:30] <ActionParsnip1> !paste
[11:31] <tony_93> hello
[11:31] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/361362
[11:31] <ghostcube> no trigger sneeded inside ActionParsnip1
[11:31] <ghostcube> sniper435, yeah yeasterday i was missing packages but whhich ones arent build does this anyone know
[11:32] <ghostcube> 32 bit all online is there any 64 bit still missing
[11:32] <ghostcube> if not its just broken
[11:32] <ghostcube> main problem isnt the window deco
[11:32] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: is metacity running?
[11:32] <ghostcube> kde
[11:32] <marius__> hello world
[11:32] <ghostcube> i have no metacity
[11:33] <marius__> bakc with my dvd issssssue
[11:33] <ActionParsnip1> ok
[11:33] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, but kwin works fine
[11:33] <modman24> still no luck getting it to work.
[11:33] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, the bigger problem is systemsettings and amarok2
[11:34] <wim> question: Where can I upgrade my 8.04 to 8.10?
[11:34] <ghostcube> seems the phonon pavckages are broken
[11:34] <wim> can't find it
[11:34] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: try: Option XAANoOffscreenPixmaps "true"
[11:34] <ActionParsnip1> !upgrade | wim
[11:35] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, not on nvidia
[11:35] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: then ive no idea, could try in #compiz later
[11:35] <ghostcube> iam in compiz as iam supporter there lol
[11:35] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: personally i hate compiz as it pretty much breaks everything imho, fluxbox ftw
[11:35] <ghostcube> but the main prob is the settings
[11:35] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, heh
[11:36] <ghostcube> it worked fine till yesterday
[11:36] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: could try installing emerald and using that
[11:36] <marius__> help me out pls. kubuntu sees a burnt dvd as blank, and when I click it it sais "could not start process,unable to create io-slave:Klauncher said: Unknown". And of course...k3b isn't able to write anything. help please
[11:36] <ghostcube> all worked very well till 4.1.4
[11:36] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: well what changed since
[11:36] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, iam using emerald
[11:36] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, only 4.1.4
[11:36] <ghostcube> i just updated
[11:36] <ghostcube> all is  broken :(
[11:37] <ghostcube> and this is not my fault in no way its just anything damaged or not ready insiode 64 bit kubuntu update from 4.1.3 to 4.1.4
[11:37] <ActionParsnip1> try removing the files holding the emerald and compiz configs and rebooting
[11:37] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, git compiled version
[11:37] <ghostcube> no packages
[11:38] <ghostcube> my problem is not compiz
[11:38] <ghostcube> can we step to themain problem
[11:38] <marius__> any idea for me?
[11:38] <ghostcube> systemsettings ios broken
[11:38] <ghostcube> and amarok2 is broken
[11:38] <ghostcube> after updating to 4.1.4
[11:39] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: run it from terminal and you will get intelligent output
[11:39] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: amarokapp
[11:40] <ghostcube> i know
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: when it crashes, read the konsole
[11:40] <ghostcube> :D it crashes at start lol
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: i assume nothing in here
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: what does the konsole say
[11:41] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/361363
[11:41] <ghostcube> seems dbus not starting here
[11:41] <ghostcube> and this is maybe the systemcrash at startup too
[11:42] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: try just amarok instead of amarokapp
[11:42] <ghostcube> its amarok
[11:42] <ghostcube> there is no amarokapp for 2
[11:43] <ghostcube> all i can say is pls no one should update to 4.1.4 64 bit it will brake system
[11:44] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: http://paste.ubuntu.com/105112/
[11:44] <ghostcube> but thx for the help ActionParsnip1 but i think the problem is any of the packages
[11:44] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, you running amarok 1.4
[11:44] <ghostcube> iam 2
[11:44] <ghostcube> ;)
[11:44] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: isnt 2 beta software?
[11:45] <ActionParsnip1> !neon
[11:45] <ghostcube> nope
[11:45] <rocky_> ciao
[11:45] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip1, but you understand my problem or ? my system worked like charm till the 4.1.4 update yesterday
[11:46] <ghostcube> so its not my fault
[11:46] <ghostcube> i want to know how to fix this
[11:46] <ghostcube> and i dont wanna do a piing
[11:46] <ghostcube> is there any package still not ready or not build anyone knowing this ?
[11:47] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: i'd log a bug
[11:47] <ghostcube> but which  one there are too many ones lol :)
[11:49] <ActionParsnip1> for your amarok crashes
[11:49] <ghostcube> i think this results cause the systemsettings crashing too
[11:49] <ghostcube> there is any thing wrong inside the update
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> you could try renaming ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok
[11:50] <ghostcube> tis isnt the problem
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> it may help, its worth a try isnt it, can can always rename back if you gain nothing
[11:51] <ghostcube> i did itr
[11:51] <ghostcube> no changes
[11:51] <ActionParsnip1> it takes 3 seconds to try and you won't even do it?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip1> oic good
[11:51] <ghostcube> :D
[11:51] <ActionParsnip1> i cant read minds
[11:51] <ghostcube> np man
[11:51] <ghostcube> i dont wanna diss u
[11:51] <ghostcube> :)
[11:51] <ActionParsnip1> its cool man
[11:52] <ghostcube> iam glad anyone tralks to me
[11:52] <ghostcube> even we dont get nearer lol
[11:52] <ActionParsnip1> could run it with some form of debug options
[11:52] <ghostcube> hmm i need to install 809 mb debuug package
[11:52] <ghostcube> :|
[11:53] <ghostcube> and only to get the thing its not amaroks fault cause its a systm error amarok uses phonon backend and dbus for controlling and both isnt working for update reason
[11:53] <ghostcube> so
[11:53] <ghostcube> as it seems
[11:54] <ghostcube> i hate it if a update kills youre system lol
[11:54] <ActionParsnip1> ghostcube: true but the OS comes with no garuntees
[11:55] <ghostcube> i now but it worked so nice with 4.1.3 and now ;(
[11:55] <ghostcube> i hate 4.x
[11:55] <ghostcube> :C
[11:55] <ghostcube> :D
[11:56] <ActionParsnip1> then grab the older one after uninstalling the newest one
[11:58] <ghostcube> this couldnt be the way
[11:58] <ghostcube> :|
[11:58] <ghostcube> i dont do a pining
[11:59] <ghostcube> before this i change tio xfce or gnome
[12:00] <ActionParsnip1> fluxbox here, its sweet
[12:00]  * Tm_T <3<3 KDE4
[12:00] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: not kwin4 though
[12:00] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: for me it is
[12:00] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: works perfectly
[12:01] <ghostcube> Tm_T, version of kde ? and bit range
[12:01] <ActionParsnip1> its too concerned with gloss, i want fast and snappy
[12:01] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: it is fast and snappy here
[12:01] <Tm_T> ghostcube: 4.2.60
[12:01] <ghostcube> ah ok svn
[12:02] <ghostcube> 32 bit ?
[12:02] <Tm_T> aye
[12:02] <ghostcube> :| damn
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> but with all the rubbish in the way, just gimme a simple task bar at the bottom and menu and im done
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> kde apps rock but kwin is horrendous
[12:02] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: I don't have rubbish in my way
[12:03] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png  <- yes, that panel you see is autohiding, I don't really use it
[12:04] <ghostcube> Tm_T, i began to hate 4.x
[12:04] <ghostcube> ^^
[12:04] <ghostcube> *i
[12:04] <apronax> selam :)
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/andrew_woodhead666/desktop.jpg?t=1232021063
[12:05] <apronax> Ubuntu'da DNS adresini nasıl değiştire bilirim :)
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: notice the lack of fluff
[12:05] <ghostcube> !tu | apronax
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> Tm_T: compared to yours
[12:05] <ghostcube> !tr | apronax
[12:05] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip1: I know
[12:06] <ghostcube> ahh
[12:06] <apronax> sağol :D
[12:08] <ActionParsnip1> I only have wallpaper on when people are coming over
[12:14] <zer0o> does anyone play NEXUIZ? (i've aske on the -offtopic but no replies, if anyone does play it or knows it please come on -offtopic ivegot some questions thanks)
[12:16] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: i used to a while back. I dont game much now
[12:16] <zer0o> ActionParsnip1: how do i SAVE the game and how do i LOAD etc... where can i find this info?
[12:18] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: you said you use fluxbox - how o you pull up a run dialogue?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip1> zer0o: isnt it in key options, fps usually use f5 to save and f6 to load in my experience
[12:19] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: never had, just launch apps from the right click menu, or konsole / yakuake
[12:20] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: i tried that but most aren't there.. is there something i need to do to get them into the menu? all i
[12:20] <zer0o> ActionParsnip1: in the key options u mean in the actual game? i havent found any, indeed while i was playing at some point i wanted to quit and there was no window or command mentioning "quit" or save or load so i tried them all and finally f8 got me out
[12:20] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: all i
[12:20] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: all i've done so far is apt install fluxbox
[12:21] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: log off, change session to fluxbox and log back in
[12:21] <ActionParsnip1> your autostart stuff is managed in ~/.fluxbox/startup
[12:21] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: ok, all i've done is apt installed and logged off and into it (sorry)
[12:21] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: there are a few programs in the menu but none of the kde ones
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: should be, you can add them by editting ~/.fluxbox/menu
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: flux does take a bit of config at first but eventually it gets nice
[12:23] <ghostcube> hmm in develchannelö they told me maybe still not all 63 bit packages available
[12:23] <ghostcube> 64
[12:23] <ghostcube> :D
[12:23] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: thanks, i'll look into that, figured it was a very small one i could have as a backup for when kwin breaks (am on an eee 901 so space is at a premium)
[12:23] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: totally
[12:24] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: i personally copied the menu file that ~/.fluxbox/menu refers to, to the file so that I can control the menu personally
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: if you run: dpkg -l | grep xserver | less
[12:25] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: you will see you have drivers for other vdeo cards which you do not have installed in your system, you can remove these
[12:26] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: ta
[12:26] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: and if your latest kernel is serving you well, you can remove the old ones
[12:27] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: am on top of that one already :D
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: you could also try: dpkg -l | less
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: read whats installed and uninstall what you dont need
[12:29] <sniper435> ActionParsnip1: thats likely to be a long list, will get round to it though once i'm done getting fluxbox all happy - as familiar as i am in console not having a UI environment is irritating
[12:32] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: its lighter in ram than kde + kwin
[12:32] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: but you can run kde apps as you have kde libs
[12:32] <estan> anyone know where i can stuff a script to be executed when my ext monitor is plugged in? i'd like to run some xrandr command when i plug it..
[12:33] <estan> or if xorg can be configured to activate my ext monitor and deactivate the internal one and vice versa, that would work too.
[12:33] <ActionParsnip1> estan: i dont know about automatically but you can definately have a script you run yourself
[12:33] <estan> ActionParsnip1: i know that, but i'd like it automatically when the monitor is plugged/unplugged.
[12:33] <ActionParsnip1> estan: is this a laptop?
[12:33] <estan> ActionParsnip1: yea.
[12:33] <estan> intel graphics.
[12:34] <ActionParsnip1> estan: theres a lil button to switch outputs, usually fn + f7
[12:34] <estan> i know that, it's not working and never has.. but nonetheless, i'd like it to occur automatically without me having to press anything or manually running a script.
[12:35] <estan> at the moment i use krandrtray to activate the external and deactivate the internal.. but i don't want to do that everytime it's plugged in.
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> estan: well its clear what you desire now, maybe someone can chime in
[12:35] <estan> yea ;)
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> personally i have no idea
[12:35] <bazyl> hello everybody;)
[12:35] <estan> i'm thinking if there's an ACPI event or something for the monitor plug-in action, then i could maybe configure it that way.
[12:36] <ActionParsnip1> estan: could check logs for monitor attatchment events, then write a script to check it regularly
[12:37] <sniper435> well you can find out if theres an acpi event by using acpi_listen
[12:37] <estan> hm yes.. but that's kind of a hack.. i'll investigate some more.
[12:37] <dr_willis> Life is a hack.
[12:37] <dr_willis> :)
[12:37] <bazyl> anybody know how to setup windows to auto-maximize (f.e. starting firefox browser) in kde?
[12:37] <estan> another thing i'd like to get working of course is that Fn+F3 combo i have on the keyboard.. at the moment it's not giving any X event at all (checked with xev).
[12:37] <sniper435> if so you should be able to put something in /etc/acpi/events to run our script
[12:38] <estan> sniper435: ah, i was just looking around in /etc/acpi, i'll try acpi_listen. thx.
[12:38] <sniper435> estan: what is the fn+f3 combo on your laptop? or even whats your laptop
[12:39] <estan> sniper435: sorry, fn+f3 is the keyboard combo meant to change between int/ext monitor on this laptop (fujitsu-siemens amilo si1520).
[12:40] <estan> but it has never worked under linux that i know of.
[12:40] <estan> acpi_listen showed no events during monitor plugging :(
[12:41] <estan> i mean, xorg does detect the monitor being present (as xrandr shows).. i'm just not sure there's a way to execute a script when it happens :/
[12:42] <estan> there's a thing called X input hotplugging i've heard about.. but i guess that's just for input (mouse, kbd et.c).
[12:42] <estan> what i want is X _output_ hotplugging ;)
[12:42] <sniper435> could be
[12:42] <sniper435> if theres no acpi event i'm not sure what to suggest
[12:42] <ActionParsnip1> sniper435: if you want you can bind a shortcut to fbrun which will allow you to launch any app like krunner
[12:42] <estan> hm. maybe i should look at HAL.
[12:43] <estan> ActionParsnip1: hm. what's fbrun?
[12:44] <estan> and i need to get Xorg to even recognize the fn+f3 as a pressed key first.. even "xev" isn't showing anything when i press it.
[12:44] <ActionParsnip1> estan: its a fluxbox app that will bring up a box you can type a program name in and it runs
[12:44] <estan> but this auto-thing is what i want working first of all. because i can always use krandrtray for switching manually instead of the key combo.
[12:44] <estan> ActionParsnip1: okay.
[12:45] <sniper435> estan: again is there an acpi event in acpi_listen when you press the key combo?
[12:46] <estan> sniper435: no.
[12:46] <estan> and not when i plug/unplug the ext monitor either.
[12:47] <estan> i'm trying to find out if HAL may be using Xorg events somehow, because i mean the Xorg server recognizes the monitor being plugged/unplugged (as can be seen with the xrandr command).
[12:47] <sniper435> estan: no, i got that.. any hotkey i've come across generates an acpi event when pressed (if the correct module is loaded in kernal anyway) was setting up similar things on my eee recently
[12:48] <estan> yea, i'm thinking something more fundamental is wrong with that key combo thing.
[12:48] <estan> but i can live without that, but i'd really like the ext monitor to be activated automatically when plugged in, and deactivated when removed.
[12:49] <atno> good evening
[12:50] <estan> bleh, lshal --monitor shows no events during monitor plug/unplug either :/
[12:52] <drdozer> hi
[12:52]  * estan asks in #xorg instead.
[12:52] <atno> is there a way to have exactly the same /home/username at work and at home?
[12:52] <atno> is there an easy synchronisation option?
[12:52] <drdozer> xrandr crashes my kde session sometimes
[12:53] <drdozer> I think my gfx driver doesn't like my gfx card
[12:53] <drdozer> I'm using the latest kubuntu, with all updates
[12:54] <drdozer> any ideas?
[12:55] <atno> drdozer: do u have an ATI or NVIDIA gfx? are you using custom drivers or the ones coming with ubuntu?
[12:56] <drdozer> my tablet has an intel gfx card, and I'm using the bundled driver
[12:57] <atno> drdozer: can u copy/paste the last 15 lines of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log using this site http://www.pastebin.com ?
[12:59] <drdozer> http://pastebin.com/m14759790
[12:59] <Orbjinzo> im curious
[13:00] <Orbjinzo> are you getting any x errors
[13:00] <Orbjinzo> with the battery?
[13:00] <atno> drdozer: paste the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log nothing usefull at the last 15 lines
[13:00] <drdozer> :)
[13:01] <Orbjinzo> cause its a known issue atm if thats the case.
[13:02] <drdozer> atno: http://pastebin.com/m547f40ae
[13:02] <drdozer> it trunchated it part way down
[13:04] <_lumm> how come plasma and x are eating that much cpu and ram
[13:04] <_lumm> after 5+ days uptime is there any known bug or workaround?
[13:31] <BlueEagle> _lumm: Sounds like a small memory leak if it is something that manifests itself after a couple of days.
[13:33] <pablo_> ku ku
[13:33] <vbgunz> anyone know how KDE 4.2 RC1 broke Yakuakes splitting?
[13:43]  * fidji probablement en train de jouer au Go
[13:43] <BluesKaj> g'morning
[13:45] <BluesKaj> !fr | fidji
[13:54] <xp-killer> where can i find  Azureus.config file?
[13:55] <xp-killer> or even better how can i put  Azureus to default?
[13:56] <xp-killer> i cant download
[13:56] <compilerwriter> Anybody here a kmail guru?
[13:57] <Tm_T> compilerwriter: please don't ask to ask, just ask (:)
[13:57] <BluesKaj> not a guru , but I've used it in the past
[13:57] <luke_> anyone help with a 64 bit install
[13:58] <BluesKaj> xp-killer, use ktorrent ... more stable and doesn't hog the cpu cycles
[13:59] <luke_> have just built new system with sata dvd + harddrive .... but the cd for 8.10 spins then go for install and get io error please rebbot ???
[13:59] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: ktorent even worst it dont download
[13:59] <compilerwriter> Well here it is BluesKaj the wifes XP box got infected with a trojan.  I downloaded her email to my computer to keep her box emptied out whilst we got rid of the trojan.  I put it all in one folder for her via a filter as it came in.  Is there a quick and dirty way to forward the whole morass 500 plus emails back to her now that her machine is clean again and she can get her own email?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> you have to set up your ports properly with any torrent client , xp-killer
[14:01] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, the only way i know how is to route it thru gmail, but I'm sure there is a better way ...using avast antivirus on her pc ?
[14:02] <BlueEagle> compilerwriter: That depends on the email client she was using.
[14:02] <compilerwriter> It was avg that missed the trojan.
[14:03] <compilerwriter> The email client that has the email now is kmail.  I just need to find a good way to forward it all in one feld swoop if at all possible BlueEagle
[14:04] <compilerwriter> I just want to forward it back to her account so that she can download it to her machine.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter , do you have a gmail acct ?
[14:05] <compilerwriter> no I don't BluesKaj
[14:05] <doktoreas> are you planning to release a livecd with 4.2 once it come out?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> and compilerwriter , avg is not effective anymore , try avast , it's free and very effective
[14:07] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: does it makes a difference wa speed conection u have by downloading by p2p?i had a 512 dsl from one company switch to another and take a 8 mega but p2p downloading slower
[14:08] <BluesKaj>  azureus is java heavy and slow
[14:08] <BlueEagle> xp-killer: The speed you get obviously depends on how many people seed the resource you are downloading.
[14:09] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: yea but ktorent up loading at more than 60kb and downloads is at 20k
[14:11] <BluesKaj> you have to forward the right ports on ktorrent ...anything above 50,000 should work due to the ISP throttling of ports below that number
[14:17] <Anubis> i tried wi-fi radar to see if there is some wireless networks near me but i wasnt able to start that application
[14:19] <lab> hi. I'm trying to download new plasmoids from KDE-Look.org. I don't understand why the built in plasmoids installer shows me only some of the available plasmoids... any suggestion ?
[14:29] <wesley> hello i have a osx install dvd, and i want to convert it to a iso to make a backup, how can i do that ?
[14:30] <derjens> hello everyone
[14:31] <derjens> i have an ogg music collection in amarok which i want to burn to mp3 cd's for my car radio
[14:31] <derjens> how to achieve that most comfortably?
[14:32] <JohnFlux> derjens: step 1, buy a car radio that support ogg :-D
[14:33] <JohnFlux> derjens: I think Amarok comes with a way to convert to mp3
[14:34] <derjens> JohnFlux, 2 problems: most car radios dont support ogg or the packaging doesnt memtion it + no extra money for a new car radio:)
[14:34] <JohnFlux> derjens: hmm, google suggests installing 'soundkonvertor' using synaptic
[14:34] <JohnFlux> then restarting amarok
[14:35] <JohnFlux> derjens: apparently you get a Tools->script->convert option in amarok or something
[14:35] <JohnFlux> derjens: oh, actually it might not be converted to kde4 yet
[14:36] <derjens> it doesnt need to be an amarok way. some console magic is okay
[14:37] <derjens> i have just looked into scripts and there is a transcoding section but the list of scripts is badly labeled. if i wanna use some script i need to ask in amarok channel
[14:37] <derjens> any other ideas?
[14:37] <derjens> i will ask in #amarok at parallel
[14:38] <Anubis> how can i see wireless networks near me ?
[14:39] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[14:39] <JohnFlux> Anubis: click on K then type knet  - you should get an option for knetworkmanager
[14:39] <JohnFlux> Anubis: if not, install it
[14:39] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: how do i make ktorent download 2 torent at the same time?
[14:40] <JohnFlux> xp-killer: just open 2 torrents...
[14:40] <xp-killer> JohnFlux: i did but the other torent is on stalled
[14:40] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: then no one is seeding it
[14:41] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: or you have all the available chunks for that file
[14:41] <BluesKaj> select another torrent to download , some will stall but it has to do with the source not the app
[14:41] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: click the torrent then click chunks or files, i forget which it is
[14:41] <BluesKaj> or even peers
[14:42] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1:  BluesKaj there are more than 10000 people seeding the the file
[14:42] <xp-killer> its the app
[14:42] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: doesnt mean they have 100$ of the file
[14:42] <xp-killer> yea but even if the dont have 100% even 50% it sopose to start downloading cause on azureus it was downloading
[14:43] <BluesKaj> xp-killer sure there are ...how many are actually connected ?
[14:43] <xp-killer> but i play with the option so azureus went crazy and stop downloading
[14:43] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: if you create a torrent and only allow 99% of it out and then vanish (meaning only you have 100% of the data), everyone else will download off the person who downloaded the 99%, but as no one has the last 1% and never will, te download never completes
[14:43] <BluesKaj> look at the peers section and see how many are actually seeding
[14:44] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: and until the person with this missing 1% reconnects to give everyone else the 1% thats missing it will never get completed
[14:44] <BluesKaj> and how many have 100% of the app
[14:44] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: i aint created the torent if i did i wouldnt want to download the file i have allready
[14:45] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: im not sayinig you id, someone else made the torrent you are downloading but may not have uploaded 100%
[14:45] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1:  BluesKaj anyway i fix it its good to go
[14:45] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: so the file gets stalled
[14:46] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: ive got a few files on 98% and i have all available chunks at the moment. I just need someone to seed the other 3% otherwise its never gonna complete
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ppl don't realize that some ISP's are throttling all ports nowadays
[14:47] <xp-killer> i know about that. ActionParsnip1 what speed conection u have? does ktorent download at a good speed for u?cause i have 8 mega and its downloading at max 25 to 50 kb
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: i have 2mb link, the downloads via torrents depends entirely on who is uploading
[14:48] <xp-killer> ppl dont realize sometimes its not the isp's but the app that sucks
[14:48] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: via http I can get 250k/s on a good server
[14:48] <bazyl> peace !
[14:48] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: the data can only come down as fast as folks upload it to you, the client is intranscient
[14:48] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: wow u have a 2meg i have 8 i never touch 80kb in my life
[14:48] <BluesKaj> xp-killer . it doesn't matter what your ISP speed capability is ..it's the sources speeds and client setups that determine your DL speed
[14:49] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: what contention ratio do you have?
[14:49] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: im going to change internet company allready there router sucks
[14:49] <BluesKaj> that won't make any diff
[14:49] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: if your connection is hugely contended like 200:1 your link will suck during peak times
[14:50] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: if i set the app to upload 1 kb /s u dont tink it makes a diff?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: regular consumers don't look into that then get sucky service
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: none at all, the channels for up / down traffic are seperate
[14:50] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: i only touch 800kb by ddl's
[14:51] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: try downloading the iso from kubuntu official torrents, see how fast it will fly
[14:51] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: download a torent "ktorent " is at 0 D,0 U put U at 1 and u will see your D drop also
[14:52] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: im going to try it
[14:52] <brmassa> Guys, why KDE4.1.4 for Ibex removed the "Hibernate" and "Suspend" from the Menu?
[14:52] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: give me the link i didnt save the link to the torent
[14:53] <somekool> hi, my kubuntu system does not see my 2GB of RAM. I have HIGHMEM enabled in my kernel. what else could be wrong? I search the forum and everywhere without success. it seems everything is configured properly.
[14:54] <Tm_T> somekool: how much it does see and how much there should be?
[14:54] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: 32bit or 64bit?
[14:55] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: anyone its just to try the speed
[14:55] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/intrepid/desktop/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[14:56] <BluesKaj> somekool , what makes you think it's not seeing your 2G Ram ?
[14:56] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: if you are using ktorrent, enable the web interface for it too, youo'll need to tinstall php-cli package ;)
[14:56] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: then you can connect to it via http://<servername>:8080
[14:56] <xp-killer> i open that port already
[14:56] <xp-killer> i have to open it on upn port also?
[14:57] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: ive opened no ports on my router and it works fine
[14:58] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: u have maybe a good router mines sucky
[14:58] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: the link u game bugging out the pc
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: thats the official torrent for the 64bit intrepid desktop iso
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: ask a buddy if you can borow a router and see if it improves the situation
[15:00] <somekool> BluesKaj: ls -l /proc/kcore
[15:00] <derjens> how to get mp3 encoding support in sox??
[15:00] <derjens> i have just installed sox and it says it was compiled without mp3 enc support
[15:00] <somekool> Tm_T: 897M / 2G
[15:00] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: the oompany tells me i cant use no other router it wont work and the phone must plug to the router
[15:01] <Tm_T> somekool: nice, sounds more of an bios/hardware issue than linux fault
[15:01] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: weird
[15:01] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: i know
[15:01] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: not heard of that, what company is it?
[15:01] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: but i havent try any other router yet so i never know if there lying or something
[15:01] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: you may want to hunt around
[15:01] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: u dont know of them i live out of the states
[15:02] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: i hunt around and they was a better price
[15:02] <BluesKaj> somekool , try htop ..it lists the available mem and swap etc right at the top as well as what's using cpu and mem
[15:04] <somekool> BluesKaj: htop shows 2G
[15:04] <somekool> kcore ain't relevant anymore ?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> somekool , dunno , never used it
[15:06] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: wow i just touch a 200kb download and it still going up
[15:07] <somekool> thanks
[15:08] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: .... it stick to limit 230kb for the iso if u reach 200kb with your 2meg conection and i only hit 230 with 8 meg conection that means my conection is crapy
[15:09] <lordnoid> hi, my slim glow theme (and many more themes) suddenly disappeared in KDE 4.2 Beta :/
[15:09] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: wheres ActionParsnip1?
[15:10]  * BluesKaj wonders why xp-killer doesn't understand that the source determines his DL speed
[15:10] <Tm_T> xp-killer: you cannot get data faster than the other end sends
[15:11] <ActionParsnip1> sup?
[15:11] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: sounds like it, i'd check you SLAs in your contract
[15:11] <xp-killer> i understand that but i have 8 mega and ActionParsnip1 2 mega i only reach 230kb download and ActionParsnip1 200kb
[15:11] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: as I said, if your connection is hugely contended it makes it cheap but also makes it suck
[15:12] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: my connection is contended 30:1 so its quite swift
[15:12] <Thor> how can disable the wireless card?
[15:12] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip1: how do i know what is mines?
[15:12]  * BluesKaj gives up
[15:12] <xp-killer> lol
[15:12] <ActionParsnip1> xp-killer: you can contact customer services or it may be in your contract
[15:13]  * BluesKaj directs his attn elsewhere
[15:13] <Maf_> que
[15:13] <Thor> is that enough to disable the wireless card from knetworkmanager ?
[15:13] <ActionParsnip1> paece out kids, im off for a sleep
[15:14] <RurouniJones> xp-killer: You have used speedtest.net haven't you?
[15:14] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: i install compiz but now want to upgrade if i do will my comfiguration stay?i have a lot of stuff i dont want to loose is the new update more stable than the one im on?
[15:15] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: RurouniJones yes i use speed test but the answer wasnt clair u have a good site for speed test?
[15:15] <RurouniJones> speedtest.net
[15:15] <BluesKaj> compiz is just a desktop effects thing..i have it turned off most of the time
[15:15] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: will i have to reinstall my graphic card drivers?
[15:16] <ondrg> Thor: right click on icon > deactivate connections > turn off wireless
[15:16] <xp-killer> BluesKaj: well i use compiz to atract more xp users to linux
[15:16] <Thor> ondrg: thanks
[15:17] <Thor> it's my first time when i use wireless on the linux :D ...
[15:17] <xp-killer> I HAVE TO GO N WASH DISHES MY MOM MAKING NOISE ILL BE BACK
[15:18] <Tm_T> !caps > xp-killer
[15:18] <Thor> so i'm trying to be cautious
[15:18] <xp-killer> Tm_T: SORRY
[15:18] <doktoreas> hello everybody how can I avoid this error with kopete: This is most likely because the QCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system.
[15:18] <xp-killer> sorry
[15:18] <RurouniJones> xp-killer: speedtest.net - The result is in Bbit. Divide that by 1024 and you know how fast your real line speed is in Mbit
[15:19] <RurouniJones> It will probably be a hell of a lot less than the advertised 8Mbit
[15:19] <mefisto__> I'm having trouble watching video at: http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/10483/tcid/1  it slows everything way down in firefox and konqueror. could someone try that page and tell me if it's working?
[15:19] <xp-killer> RurouniJones: ok
[15:20] <khakane> mefisto__: working fine here
[15:20] <mefisto__> khakane: and the video plays normally?
[15:20] <khakane> actually no
[15:20] <khakane> its skipping really badly
[15:20] <khakane> but system is fine
[15:21] <BluesKaj> mefisto__ , it's slow
[15:21] <mefisto__> khakane: ok thanks. at least it's not me
[15:21] <BluesKaj> it's not your pc , it's the quality of the video..poorly encoded
[15:22] <xp-killer> RurouniJones: it says 6249 down n i have an 8 meg :(
[15:22] <khakane> i do have a quick question, im using hddtemp, but i have to be root to get temps of drives or i get permission denied accessing drive, what can i do to make it so regular user can view hddtemp?
[15:23] <RurouniJones> xp-killer: That is pretty good to be honest
[15:23] <RurouniJones> Most 8MBit lines are around 5-6.5'ish in my experience
[15:24] <xp-killer> RurouniJones: not it sopose to reach about 7500 to be good for me
[15:24] <RurouniJones> ...
[15:24] <ron__> hello people
[15:24] <Barackuse> quick question
[15:24] <RurouniJones> I don't think I have ever seen a consumer 8Mbit connection running at 7.5Mbit
[15:24] <RurouniJones> I think the highest was 7.2'ish
[15:24] <Barackuse> How does one creat icons for applications on your desktop so they run with root access
[15:24] <RurouniJones> The lowest was around 3.something
[15:25] <xp-killer> RurouniJones: if the company says they gives 8 meg they should at least give me very close to that cause if they say i have tp pay 60$ for 8M and i giva them 45$ they will be mad
[15:25] <khakane> xp-killer: im sure their AUP says UP TO 8mbit
[15:26] <khakane> nothing you can do
[15:26] <RurouniJones> xp-killer: Re-read the contract
[15:26] <Barackuse> think I figured it out allready
[15:26] <RurouniJones> I am sure khakane said is true
[15:26] <RurouniJones> ALL ISPs user the "Up to X Mbit"
[15:26] <khakane> xp-killer: if you want to know why, try going and pricing a 10mbit direct pipe to your house
[15:26] <khakane> and i bet its more than 65$/mo
[15:27] <khakane> but, you will surely get all of your 10mbit
[15:27] <RurouniJones> Where x is the theoretical limit
[15:27] <xp-killer> khakane: RurouniJones i will just change company thats it the other company i had 512 was even better just cost more money plus i had a phone bill to pay
[15:28] <RurouniJones> er
[15:28] <RurouniJones> 512KBitI am sure
[15:28] <RurouniJones> Muppet
[15:29] <RurouniJones> And he is a Linux user that tries to switch XP users to Linux...
[15:31] <Zehava> I'm being told by Amarok that it cannot save the configuration file due to /home/name/.kde/share/config/amarokrc is not writable
[15:32] <Zehava> how can I fix this?
[15:33] <new> opa
[15:34] <new> op
[15:36] <Zehava> what's the apt command for updating all available packages?
[15:37] <emil_> can some one tell me how i enter quakenet? XD
[15:37] <mefisto__> Zehava: sudo apt-get update
[15:38] <Zehava> okay, thank you
[15:38] <mefisto__> Zehava: chmod +w ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[15:40] <Zehava> thanks, that fixed the config error
[15:40] <emil_> is it possible to connect to quakenet? anyone have to server name and port?
[15:42] <emil_> nvm i fixed it :)
[15:42] <BluesKaj> emil_ ,http://www.quakenet.org/
[15:42] <mefisto__> just curious, can anyone tell me what the "rc" stands for in config files eg, amarokrc, kaffeinerc ?
[15:42] <emil_> thanks anyway :)
[15:43] <Pici> mefisto__: run control or run command
[15:43] <BluesKaj> emil_ , this is a kubuntu help channel , any more questions about quakenet should be in their help chat
[15:44] <emil_> oh sorry, just installed ubuntu and this was the only channel i could enter
[15:45] <PeperJohnny> hiho guys. so im trying to install jaunty alpha2 right now and it tells me to type a name of a mirrorserver..do you have a name for me?
[15:46] <khakane> ubuntu.. so easy my 3 year old uses it.
[15:47] <dominique> hi there, does anyone know what "NET: Registered protocol family 10" in bootlog means? My boot process hangs there..
[15:47] <blip-> hi all,  whenever i close Dolphin fm under KDE3 i get this message from KDE http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap2um1.jpg   ... any ideas what may be causing this ?   (my hdd is plenty empty)
[15:47] <blip-> kubuntu 8.04 ^^^
[15:49] <dominique> !de
[15:49] <khakane> blip-: make sure you own that file
[15:49] <khakane> and have permissions to modify it
[15:51] <blip-> khakane: that fixed it.  somehow i ignored the error message as i didn't expect not to have perm to my own home dir.   thanks
[15:52] <khakane> blip-: no problem bro
[15:55] <Riddell> ** Alpha candidate CD images need tested, volunteers welcome
[15:56] <khakane> hey im runnin kde 4.2 beta, and i noticed (and forgive me here i dunno the proper packagename) that it doesnt tell me there are updates available down in the taskmgr
[15:56] <khakane> i went to apt-get upgrade and there were 100+ packages ready for update
[15:57] <khakane> when i was on 4.1 nearly every morning it told me there were updates
[15:58] <Riddell> khakane: check if update-notifier-kde is running
[15:58] <khakane> sec
[15:58] <khakane> Riddell: i have update-notifier-common installed, no -kde
[15:59] <khakane> installing now
[16:12] <BluesKaj> bbl
[16:12] <jojohan> hello, has the kuake package been removed from kubuntu 8.10? i used to install it from the repositories, but i cannot find it now
[16:14] <vorian> !find yakuake
[16:15] <jojohan> excellent, thanks!\
[16:26] <Frederick> folks howdo I re-install and reconfigure kde on kubuntu?
[16:29] <JohnFlux> Frederick: move your $HOME/.kde  to $HOME/.kde.bak       to get a clean user configuration.  Note that this folder contains kmail emails as well though
[16:34] <gekkoo> how can i disable the knetworkmanager so it doesnt autostart after login?
[16:36] <kienerii> http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/index.php is not available!
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> gekkoo: remove knetworkmanager.desktop from /etc/xdg/autostart
[16:41] <gekkoo> JontheEchidna: great thx, was just thinking about if its actually beeing used or if its a left-over
[16:54] <gp_> hi
[16:55] <gp2you> hi
[16:55] <gp2you> anybody here
[16:55] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[16:56] <MetaMorfoziS> Does grub need any ext3 partition, or /boot or etc to be able to boot windows?
[16:56] <MetaMorfoziS> Just windows, no ubuntu from now...
[16:56] <gp2you> how can i remove kde4
[16:56] <gp2you> its pure torture to use
[16:56] <MetaMorfoziS> my friend removed her kubuntu, and want to be able to boot windows again
[16:57] <gp2you> MetaMorfoziS: edit grub
[16:57] <MetaMorfoziS> and the easiest way is if she be able to restore grub with a livecd
[16:57] <MetaMorfoziS> what you mean?
[16:57] <MetaMorfoziS> how*
[17:07] <LazersK> Hey, how can I see how mcuh free sapce is eflt on a disk in dolphin?
[17:09] <bastid_raZor> LazersK; in a terminal you could type df -h .. in dolphin i don't know
[17:11] <LazersK> Hm.
[17:11] <TheZ> LasersK: hover your mouse at the bottom status bar...
[17:12] <LazersK> i'm running uot of sapce on my fourgig. Dx
[17:12] <TheZ> don't fill / :)
[17:12] <ashwin> LazersK; Dolphin shows the free space on the lower right side of the window
[17:12] <LazersK> It doesn't..
[17:12] <TheZ> Does on mine... :|
[17:13] <TheZ> check to see if you have hosed your settings by looking for it.. see ifyou can rest them back to standard... ?
[17:13] <LazersK> I'll look.
[17:13] <LazersK> also, can i install aplications to non-kubuntu drives?
[17:13] <LazersK> Say, windows on C:, Kubuntu on D: can i install programs to C: ?
[17:15] <hallowname> LazersK: with much skill im sure you haven't attained yet if you mention C: and D: on linux... under linux your C: exists as /media/nameofdrive...
[17:15] <hallowname> LazersK: but no, not easily...
[17:15] <LazersK> Well, yes.
[17:16] <LazersK> But typing C: is quicker.
[17:16] <wesley> How can convert my osx install dvd to a iso image? ( meant as backup )
[17:18] <hallowname> wesley: acetoneiso
[17:18] <LazersK> Huh. so you can't install programs on different drives?
[17:18] <LazersK> ..goddamn.
[17:18] <wesley> hallowname thanks ( and that will be safe ? )
[17:18] <hallowname> LazersK: o, well in the case of wine apps, you can use wineconfig to point to /media/disk/wine instead of ~/.wine
[17:19] <bukharin> hello...
[17:19] <wesley> shit konqueror doesnt work
[17:19] <hallowname> LazersK: as far as dpkg with .debs, no, but you can use apt-get source, and compile the binaries, then store them on /media/disk
[17:19] <hallowname> wesley: yup
[17:19] <bukharin> i recently got into backports... until now i was content with normal updates.
[17:19] <LazersK> Well, i'm out of space then.
[17:19] <bukharin> and following kubuntu.org, i added a pps...
[17:19] <bukharin> ppa*
[17:19] <bukharin> but was wondering now...
[17:20] <bukharin> is there any way to explore the contents of the ppa, to determine if there are newer versions of some other program?
[17:20] <bukharin> for example, the newer amarok was in a different package... how can i know wath other newer versions are there with diferent packages names, since of coruse apt would not offer them for update?
[17:21] <bvalek2> bukharin: sometimes there are virtual packages
[17:22] <bukharin> bvalek2: how so?
[17:22] <bvalek2> like linux-2.6 will always refer to the newest kernel
[17:22] <bukharin> oh, eys, i understand.
[17:22] <bukharin> but for example...
[17:22] <bukharin> amarok 2 was packaged as amarok-kde4
[17:22] <bukharin> and from what i saw, there other packages with -kde4 names...
[17:22] <LazersK> Huh, the panel locked up
[17:23] <LazersK> Can i restart it?
[17:23] <bukharin> so... what i want to know, i suppose... is if i can assume that the -kde4 packages in intrepid are packages in preparation for jaunty that i can isntall as prerelease, or if not...
[17:23] <kalorin_> wow 8.10 VPN is a mes
[17:23] <kalorin_> mess
[17:23] <bukharin> if there's any way to "browse" or get a list of the available packages in the ppa...
[17:23] <kalorin_> 8.04 worked ok but that seems to have been broken recently as well
[17:24] <kalorin_> yikes
[17:24] <kalorin_> does anyone QA this stuff?
[17:24] <bukharin> kalorin_: install rkward under 8.10 and get a taste of QA if you want messes :S
[17:24] <bvalek2> bucharin: if you want consistent packages, use Debian stable :)
[17:25] <bukharin> bvalek2; yeah, kinda thinking about that a lot lately...
[17:25] <kalorin_> I guess I jsut don't get why no one does plain old functionality testing, can you still get a vpn connection to work in networkmanager ? yes/no
[17:25] <wesley> !acetoneiso
[17:25] <kalorin_> does it connect?
[17:25] <kalorin_> does it disconnect cleanly
[17:25] <kalorin_> ?
[17:25] <kalorin_> y/n
[17:25] <bastid_raZor> there is a #kubuntu channel for those of you using Kubuntu/KDE
[17:25] <kalorin_> that sor tof stuff
[17:25] <kalorin_> so eacy
[17:25] <bukharin> bvalek2: but for now, i intend to remain with kubuntu, so i wanted t know how to get the best out of the kubuntu-members ppa.
[17:25] <wesley> hallowname how does it name in apt ?
[17:25] <bastid_raZor> heh, i am in the #kubuntu channel.. my mistake
[17:26] <bukharin> bastid_raZor: was about to (unpolitely) point that out for ya :)
[17:27] <bukharin> ok. rephrasing question: could someone explain to me wath is supposed to be in kubuntumembers ppa, and how to use it best?
[17:28] <SingAlong> Hi
[17:28] <SingAlong> How can I switch from ubuntu desktop to kubuntu?
[17:28] <bukharin> SingAlong: sudo apt get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:29] <bukharin> but that wil leave a lot of gtk apps lying around, and install only the desktop, not the splash. you will still be able to log into gnome
[17:29] <f_aichele> SingAlong: And then cross your fingers and pray.
[17:29] <kalorin_> wack
[17:29] <bukharin> SingAlong... yeah
[17:29] <kalorin_> man 7.10 was solid on this stuff
[17:30] <kalorin_> how do you break that to "improve pretty"?
[17:30] <kalorin_> >< close to going back
[17:30] <SingAlong> f_aichele: Anyway to keep both Gnome and KDE?
[17:30] <bukharin> kalorin_ i guess we've been through that one a lot recently...
[17:30] <f_aichele> I remember having both on Debian.
[17:30] <kalorin_> I mean I just don't get why non-graphical packages would be affected by a new GUI?
[17:30] <kalorin_> vpnc and resolv.conf
[17:31] <f_aichele> Using either kdm or gdm as default display manager, and being able to select either kde or gnome sessions.
[17:31] <kalorin_> I get on the vpn, and it doesn't pick up the dhcp DNS servers and such, so i ahve to go manually put htem in the resolv.conf file
[17:31] <bukharin> ok. does anyone here know a little bit more than me about the kubuntu-members ppa? please?
[17:31] <kalorin_> just stupid simple stuff that things have been doing right for years
[17:31] <kalorin_> now all the sudden p00f?
[17:31] <f_aichele> But if that will work with Kubuntu, I've never tried myself.
[17:32] <bukharin> i remembr trying to switch once, and it was not easy. mainly because over-desktop tings like splash, the login manager and networkmanager and stuf...
[17:32] <BluesKaj> SingAlong, usually one can open either KDE or Gnome at the login page , if both gnome and kubuntu-desktop are installed
[17:32] <bukharin> you can get a kde instal working on ubuntu, fairly easily, though.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> oops, too late
[17:33] <bukharin> SingAlong sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install KDE and leave you with both enabled.
[17:33] <f_aichele> OK, so that still applies: GNOME + KDE can co-exist under Debian still.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> he left, bukharin
[17:33] <bukharin> oh.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> no patience
[17:35] <bukharin> BluesKaj: do you know if theres anyone here associated in any way to kubuntu.org?
[17:35] <bukharin> im trying to use their ppa...
[17:35] <BluesKaj> nope , i don't
[17:35] <bukharin> :(
[17:35] <bukharin> guess i will have to go to the (sloooow) forums.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> are you looking at kde4.2
[17:36] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:36] <bukharin> BluesKaj: not yet...
[17:36] <bukharin> BluesKaj: i just wanted to know if there's more pre-realese packages that could be of interest, like amarok-kde4
[17:36] <BluesKaj> well, just apt-get update after you copy the ppas into your sources list
[17:37] <bukharin> BluesKaj: actually, kde4.2 is in another pa... kubuntu-experimental or something.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> amarok 2 ?
[17:37] <bukharin> BluesKaj: well, there's the trick: at least amarok was in another package.
[17:37] <bukharin> BluesKaj, so apt wouldn offer it as update.
[17:37] <bukharin> yes, amarok2
[17:37] <bukharin> i had to install it on its own, and that package takes over amarok and replaces it
[17:38] <BluesKaj> if you have the updated ppa ..I already tried amarok 2 using that deb
[17:38] <BluesKaj> source
[17:38] <bukharin> BulesKaj: lost ya there. i only followed the instructions on the release notes "add ppa, instal amarok-kde4"
[17:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, but if you decide to revert to amarok 1.4 , all your settings will be saved if you remove amarok2 , then delete it's ppa in your sources.list and apt-get update and install amarok 1.4 again
[17:40] <BluesKaj> not many ppl are impressed with amarok 2
[17:42] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: amarok2 will get there soon I'm sure ... it's like a flower that hasn't blossomed yet
[17:43] <stnormal> is there a way to probe my hardware to figure out exactly what kind of NIC I have installed?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> bukharin http://www.kubuntu.org/amarok2-beta2
[17:44] <stdin> stnormal: KMenu -> System -> KInfoCenter or "lspci" from the command line
[17:44] <dwidmann> stnormal: what does lspci | grep Ethernet say
[17:46] <stnormal> ahh, that's perfect
[17:46] <stnormal> thanks guys
[17:47] <bukharin> BluesKaj: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0.1.1
[17:48] <bukharin> BluesKaj: since the 2.0 release, amarok-kde conflicts with amarok.
[17:48] <bukharin> amarok-kde4*
[17:48] <BluesKaj> it worked ok bukharin , but it lacked some features that I liked on the old version , so I dumped it
[17:49] <Lokiase> hello all, i want to install kubuntu and it says: ACPI: BIOS age (1999) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI
[17:52] <mefisto__> Lokiase: and you want to try enabling ACPI?
[17:53] <Lokiase> I don't know, i want to install kubuntu to that pc, either how
[17:54] <mefisto__> Lokiase: what it means is that that machine is old, and kubuntu is assuming that ACPI won't work correctly, so it will be disabled after install
[17:55] <mefisto__> Lokiase: so power management features won't work. eg, if you do a shutdown, the system will go down, but not turn off the pc
[17:55] <Lokiase> so how can I install it? it now gives errors
[17:55] <Lokiase> why? that did work under windows
[17:56] <thorns> Will 4.2 be in the repos soon?
[17:56] <mefisto__> Lokiase: to enable it, you need that "acpi=force" in the kernel line after install
[17:57] <thorns> Will 4.2 replace 4.1?
[18:01] <thorns> .
[18:05] <gabriele> salve
[18:05] <wesley> wesley__ can i have your grub
[18:05] <legodude> how do I get changelogs for packages?
[18:05] <wesley__> ofcourse you can i will copy paste it
[18:06] <gabriele> qualche italiano che mi venga in aiuto? prima volta su irc
[18:06] <wesley__> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/105256/  here you have it wesley
[18:06] <wesley> thank you
[18:07] <legodude> !it | gabriele
[18:07] <gabriele> grazie ubottu
[18:08] <wesley> isnt that funny i talk to myself
[18:10] <kienerii> könnt ihr mir einen torrentclient empfehlen?
[18:10] <legodude> rtorrent macht spass
[18:10] <legodude> auch
[18:10] <legodude> !de
[18:11] <kienerii> legodude: gtk wenn möglich
[18:11] <legodude> hrm, ich kenne nichts, nur rtorrent
[18:13] <stnormal> what is the name of the network manager that loads by default?
[18:13] <legodude> "ich kenne keine"
[18:13] <legodude> stnormal: knetworkmanager
[18:13] <stnormal> thanks
[18:18] <ubuntu> Hi
[18:26] <hyper_ch> huhu
[18:26] <bobesponja> how can I get the akanodi server to stop crashing everytime I start kmail or kopete?
[18:27] <hyper_ch> bobesponja: what version of kde?
[18:27] <Adola> How do I find out what version of libmsn I have?
[18:27] <bobesponja> hyper_ch: 4.1.96
[18:28] <hyper_ch> bobesponja: don't restart the computer ;)
[18:28] <bobesponja> hyper_ch: thanks for the useful advice :p
[18:28] <hyper_ch> bobesponja: you're welcome :)
[18:28] <da> Using Wifi, in my desktop copmuter,can I get the net from a neighbor accross the street?
[18:29] <BluesKaj> !legal
[18:30] <BluesKaj> !illegal
[18:30] <da> is it legal?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> nope
[18:30] <Adola> Yeah, it's called stealing!
[18:30] <Adola> Like stealing cable.
[18:30] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: how do you know it's not legal?
[18:30] <mefisto__> da: do you mean without the neighbour's permission and cooperation?
[18:30] <da> yes
[18:30] <bobesponja> BluesKaj: yes it is technically legal to use a non protected Wifi network cause technically the network is accepting your connection, at least in the US it's legal
[18:31] <Adola> oh, that's cool.  I thought it was illegal.
[18:31] <Tm_T> bobesponja: we are not in the US
[18:31] <Adola> (Go America!)
[18:31] <mefisto__> da: they probably have software designed to stop you doing that
[18:31] <Adola> So, libmsn version?
[18:31] <Adola> (I've got to reply to a question in a bugreport)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> not here in Canada, illegal use of someone elses paid service
[18:32] <bobesponja> Tm_T: well technically, the router is giving you Ack so you're not breaking into anything
[18:32] <Tm_T> bobesponja: doesn't matter
[18:32] <bobesponja> Tm_T: a judge would have a hard time proving you're doing something illegal
[18:32] <hyper_ch> there are about 200 different legislations out there
[18:32] <Tm_T> bobesponja: doesn't matter
[18:32] <bobesponja> Tm_T: well, yes it does
[18:32] <bobesponja> duh
[18:32] <Tm_T> Adola: apt-cache show <yourpackage>
[18:32] <Tm_T> bobesponja: it doesn't matter in here
[18:33] <BluesKaj> it's wrong anyway ,whether or not it's legal in the states makes no difference , IMO at least
[18:33] <Tm_T> as in, this channel
[18:33] <bobesponja> whatever
[18:33] <bobesponja> you said it was illegal, I was correcting, you should have said it was illegal in this channel :p
[18:33] <BluesKaj> yes it is illegal in this chat cuz it's wrong
[18:34] <Tm_T> bobesponja: it's also illegal in many countries
[18:34] <bobesponja> I don't think it's wrong
[18:34] <BluesKaj> too bad :)
[18:34] <BluesKaj> it is here
[18:34] <Tm_T> bobesponja: what you think is irrelevant too (;)
[18:34] <Pici> Regardless of its legality, its also offtopic for (K)Ubuntu channels.
[18:34] <bobesponja> Tm_T: so is what you think :p
[18:35] <mefisto__> Pici makes a good point
[18:35] <Tm_T> bobesponja: actually my thinking matters, shame though
[18:35] <bobesponja> doesnt matter to me though
[18:35] <Tm_T> very irrelevant in this discussion, so, lets move on, shall we (:
[18:36] <da> If a city has free Wifi, that's legal
[18:36] <Adola> Ok, libmsn isn't the name of the package..
[18:36] <Adola> Does anyone know what it is?
[18:36] <hyper_ch> Adola: what program do you need to know the version?
[18:37] <Adola> I need to know libmsn for Kopete
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Adola: apt-cache policy libmsn
[18:37] <Adola> I guess it's msnlib
[18:37] <bobesponja> da: who care if it's legal, just do what'ver feels right to you, that's what we all do anyway, even our leaders, actually our leaders are the worth in that respect =)
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> oh
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> Adola: apt-cache policy libmsn0.1
[18:38] <da> okay,thank you all...
[18:38] <Adola> JontheEchidna: That didn't work.
[18:39] <hyper_ch> huhu JontheEchidna :)
[18:39] <Adola> Basically, all I'm saying is that I need the latest version of msnlib
[18:39] <Tm_T> Adola: latest release is not packaged yet
[18:39] <Adola> Um, I guess the latest I can get then?
[18:47] <byteme_> hey guys
[18:47] <byteme_> question
[18:48] <byteme_> can one use a router if it is connected to the web, but not a computer?
[18:48] <byteme_> using the web as a pure wireless connection
[18:48] <byteme_> is that possible?
[18:49] <byteme_> hello?
[18:50] <BluesKaj> what device , byteme_  ?
[18:50] <robert__> :S
[18:50] <robert__> ups, wrong window xD
[18:50] <byteme_> I ahve 3 machines... 2 laps and 1 desktop
[18:51] <BluesKaj> all wifi , yes
[18:51] <techbw> hi, could comeone help in setting up compiz, I have installed all the required packages, but when running compiz  --replace nothing happens
[18:51] <byteme_> and I was wondering if I could use all the PC in the office wirelessly
[18:51] <eray> hello
[18:51] <robert__> You mean like, if they are connected to the router?
[18:52] <eray> a problem of we exists
[18:52] <BluesKaj> techbw look for compiz on the kmenu/applications/system
[18:52] <eray> we know a few english
[18:53] <byteme_> we are moving the office arround and the layout that works best is nowhere near a internet jack
[18:53] <techbw> if you meaning advanced desktop effects, I have enabled that, I have also installed the kde-compiz-configuration
[18:53] <BluesKaj> yes as lomg as the machines are configured with diff IP addresses which any router can assign
[18:53] <byteme_> we are trying to avoid putting another jack in the place
[18:53] <techbw> and I select the things that I want enabled but nothing works
[18:53] <eray> how to install nvidia fx5500 driver on kubuntu intrepid
[18:53] <eray> ??*
[18:54] <BluesKaj> eray look in adept , it should be listed in the properties of one the drivers that comes up in the list
[18:54] <byteme_> so I can just have the router connected to the web (with no PC connected to the router) and get to the web
[18:55] <BluesKaj> as long as the roiuter has wireless capability , byteme_
[18:55] <byteme_> ?
[18:55] <byteme_> obviously, yeah
[18:55] <byteme_> sweet
[18:55] <BluesKaj> not all do
[18:55] <byteme_> I understand
[18:56] <byteme_> ours do cause we use laptops in the office
[18:56] <BluesKaj> your router is hardwired to a DSL or Cable line ?
[18:56] <byteme_> DSL
[18:56] <BluesKaj> ok then you should have no probs
[18:57] <techbw> does anyone have a good site that has step by setup to setup compiz, I was working from one the other day on my desktop pc, and it works.
[18:57] <eray> BluesKaj: i dont understand
[18:57] <byteme_> great, the phone co. is giving us the run around
[18:58] <BluesKaj> eray , open adept , put your nvidia card name in the search bar
[18:58] <byteme_> so this is great
[18:58] <byteme_> thank you very much
[18:58] <eray> BluesKaj: thanks i trying
[18:58] <eray> im*
[19:00] <eray> BluesKaj: found 4 package
[19:00]  * ibrar_away is away: Gone away for now
[19:00] <eray> 5*
[19:00] <MetaMorfoziS> http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/kubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[19:00] <MetaMorfoziS> sorry, wrong window
[19:01] <Adola> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180843
[19:01] <Adola> Could someone tell me how to "Check with my distrobution"
[19:01] <eray> nvidia-glx-97, nvidia-glx-173, nvidia-glx-71, nvidia-glx-177, nvidia-glx-180
[19:01] <eray> BluesKaj:
[19:02] <eray> which package ?
[19:03] <ulysses__> Adola: lsb_release -a
[19:04] <Adola> Yes, but, How do I get the latest version of libmsn?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> eray click on each one of the drivers in the list and click on properties..look for your card model number in the list , when you find it , install that driver
[19:05] <bukharin> Adola: that's very weird, i'm on msn with kopete right now
[19:05] <Adola> Yes, but, I'm getting timeout errors.
[19:05] <robert__> what was the command to run a installation as root?...Nvidia-drivers :P
[19:05] <Adola> Actually, I don't get any errors.
[19:06] <robert__> :P
[19:06] <Adola> But, I've been fighting this in #kopete for 2 days now.
[19:06] <Adola> That's what we've came to
[19:06] <bukharin> what kubuntu are you on? hardy?
[19:06] <Adola> Intrepid
[19:06] <eray> BluesKaj: i saw
[19:06] <bukharin> bah
[19:06] <eray> BluesKaj: 173 supports and installed
[19:07] <bukharin> Adola: i might be wrong, but if you are on intrepid, then you shuld have the very same kopete and libmsn packages as me. and it works...
[19:07] <bukharin> Adola: so it is either a different thing, or you have other version
[19:07] <eray> and nvidia-xconfig configured but x dont work
[19:08] <eray> BluesKaj: what we do in this instance ?
[19:08] <Adola> Did you read that link?
[19:08] <Adola> The guy said I have an old version.  Does anyone know how to get the most recent version?
[19:08] <bukharin> Adola: i read it
[19:09] <eray> BluesKaj: ?
[19:09] <eray> help please
[19:11] <SteBoo> hi! I use my dell XPS M1303 with an external LCD panel connected via HDMI. Since KDE 4.2 RC1 the KDE session crashes when I try to turn off the notebook's internal LCD with krandrtray. Can anyone help me with this problem?
[19:12] <bukharin> Adola: i don't have libmsn installed, and i am on msn
[19:12] <bukharin> Adola: unless the package has other name...
[19:13] <bukharin> Adola: how did you find out the version number?
[19:14] <SteBoo> SteBoo: With KDE 4.2 Beta 2 this worked well.
[19:14] <Adola> bukharin: From Synaptic.  It said "Installed version blahblabhlbah"
[19:14] <bukharin> Adola: what is the pacakge's name? i don't see it in the repos, or in my apt
[19:15] <eray> BluesKaj:
[19:15] <Adola> libmns
[19:15] <Adola> libmsn
[19:16] <bukharin> Adola: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libmsn
[19:16] <bukharin> Adola: this is weird.
[19:17] <Adola> bukharin: I'm not sure it's a problem with my version.
[19:17] <Adola> (I've got a developer from #kopete and a bug report out helping me)
[19:17] <Adola> The developer says It's noto my version
[19:18] <bukharin> Adola: i'm not saying it isnt... i'm just trying to see if there's a newer version packaged... but i AM on msn, i dont have libmsn as a package on its own, and i have not installed any version of kopete or libmsn outside the repos...
[19:18] <bukharin> Adola: guess i, at least, can help you much. sorry for your time.
[19:18] <bukharin> cant*
[19:18] <Adola> It's ok...I'm forced to use Pidgin for now....
[19:18]  * Adola shudders
[19:20] <ummels> Adola: what versions of kopete and libmsn do u have installed?
[19:20] <Adola> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180843
[19:21] <davide> hello, I'm italian and you?
[19:21] <Adola> Kopete
[19:21] <Adola> Version 0.60.81
[19:21] <raidenovich> how can i start amarok in default mode with default settings?
[19:22] <ummels> Adola: i have version 0.60.82; do u have upgraded to KDE 4.2 RC1?
[19:22] <MetaMorfoziS> raidenovich > you want to remove your settings? (eg you have messed up sg)
[19:22] <Adola> Using KDE 4.1.85 (KDE 4.1.85 (KDE 4.2 Beta2))
[19:22] <raidenovich> exactly :o
[19:22] <Adola> And upgrading right now isn't really an option.
[19:23] <ummels> Adola: right... maybe ubgrading to RC1 helps
[19:23] <Adola> I'm on dial-up, I will have to wait to go to a friends house
[19:23] <ummels> Adola: why not?
[19:23] <raidenovich> i tried to enable surround sound... well it didnt work and now i cant start it
[19:23] <ummels> Adola: right...
[19:23] <MetaMorfoziS> raidenovich > mv .kde/share/apps/amarok/ .kde/share/apps/amarok_old/
[19:24] <MetaMorfoziS> raidenovich > and  mv .kde/share/config/amarokrc .kde/share/config/amarokrc_old
[19:26] <raidenovich> very weird MetaMorfoziS i dont have /home/nick/.kde on my usb stick kubuntu, but on my laptop i have that folder
[19:27] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, weird
[19:27] <MetaMorfoziS> are you using amarok 2?
[19:27] <MetaMorfoziS> not matters...
[19:27] <raidenovich> i think im just going to boot, then i reset all data
[19:27] <raidenovich> thanks anyway :)
[19:27] <MetaMorfoziS> .kde is the folder of both kde4 and kde3 apps (idiotism at high level)
[19:28] <BluesKaj> weird, adept has changed ... we used to be able to get prperties with a right click on the tile in the app list... no longer works for me
[19:28] <BluesKaj> tile=title
[19:28] <Neremor> hello!
[19:28] <Neremor> i've a very big problem
[19:28] <Neremor> i had a similar problem once and i remember that it was hard to fix it
[19:29] <Neremor> i have some stupid dependencies
[19:29] <Neremor> one package needs another package, otherwise i get the "wrong dependencies"-error.
[19:30] <Neremor> but i can't install this package because it stands in conflict with an other package, that i can't remove because that would mean to remove kde
[19:30] <Neremor> i think you see this circle ;)
[19:31] <ummels> Neremor: what packages?
[19:31] <Neremor> i have to install "kde-icons-mono" because i would get the wrong dependencies error. if i try to do this i get the following error:
[19:32] <Neremor> there's a conflict with this file "/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/kmouth.svgz" that means with the package "kmouth"
[19:32] <Neremor> but i can't install kmouth
[19:32] <Neremor> because it's a dependencie of kde
[19:32] <Neremor> sorry
[19:32] <Neremor> remove
[19:32] <Neremor> bo wait
[19:33] <Neremor> kmouth is a dependencie of kdeaccessibility which is a dependencie of kde
[19:33] <Neremor> it's a bit dificult
[19:33] <ummels> Neremor: yes, kdeaccessibility and kde are only metapackages
[19:33] <ummels> Neremor: you could deinstall kmouth or force an install of kde-icons-mono by some option
[19:34] <Neremor> hm
[19:34] <Neremor> does not work
[19:34] <ummels> Neremor: what does not work?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Neremor , try synaptic/edit/fix broken packages, if the "apply "check mark is green, click on it ...it might resolve some probs
[19:34] <p_quarles> kdeaccessibility is not a dependency of kubuntu-desktop or kde-core
[19:35] <ummels> p_quarles: true
[19:35] <p_quarles> the metapackage "kde" includes everything and the kitchen sink, which is why youl shouldn't usually use it
[19:35] <Neremor> apt-get does not have a force command
[19:36] <ummels> Neremor: but dpkg has ;-)
[19:36] <Neremor> if i try to remove kdeaccessibility i get an error that it is a dependency of kde
[19:36] <Neremor> hm
[19:36] <p_quarles> yes it does, but you don't need to use it
[19:36]  * BluesKaj backs off...too many cooks
[19:36] <ummels> Neremor: if you don't need kmouth, I guess it's best to remvoe kmouth
[19:36] <p_quarles> Neremor: again, you *don't* need the package called kde
[19:37] <Neremor> but that would mean that i would have to save the packages first and afterwards try to install them with dpkg?
[19:37] <Neremor> sureß
[19:37] <p_quarles> Neremor: install kubuntu-desktop
[19:37] <Neremor> hm
[19:37] <Neremor> that means i could remove kde?
[19:37] <ummels> Neremor: yes, it's just a metapackage
[19:37] <Neremor> why is kde in the packges if it is the same as kubuntu-desktop?!
[19:37] <p_quarles> that will give you everything you're likely to need and more, and will allow you to remove the kde metapackage without losing anything (except kmouth)
[19:37] <Neremor> ok :)
[19:37] <Neremor> thanks
[19:37] <ummels> Neremor: it has only dependencies on other packages
[19:37] <p_quarles> it's *not* the same
[19:37] <martijn81> is the newest k3b compatible with bluray? because k3b has destroyed my dvd-burner and i have to buy a new one
[19:37] <Neremor> that will make things easier
[19:38] <mefisto__> martijn81: how did k3b destroy your dvd burner?
[19:39] <Neremor> thank you VERY much that worked for me :)
[19:39] <ummels> Neremor: no problem
[19:39] <martijn81> mefisto__: it was going to burn in UDF mode (for larger files) but it did not succeed... after this point i quitted k3b but the drive kept burning the dvd all night long, very weird...
[19:40] <vabgeo> hi all
[19:40] <martijn81> it's a Benq DW 1640 iirc
[19:41] <martijn81> 1620
[19:42] <martijn81> but is it?
[19:42] <raidenovich> someone tried to install kubuntu 8.10 on the asus eee 1000h?
[19:42] <martijn81> because otherwise i would not buy an bluray burner
[19:42] <yao_ziyuan> is there a gui program that checks the file system on the fly?
[19:42] <yao_ziyuan> gtk+ or kde
[19:42] <vabgeo> Is the release date of Jaunty fixed? i see it as April 09? wanted to know before i download the daily build....
[19:43] <p_quarles> vabgeo: Dapper was the only release to be delayed significantly, so far; it can happen, but it usually doesn't
[19:44] <vabgeo> p_quarles: thanks so I can download the Jaunty daily without fear of capping my b/w limit..
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:52] <mick_> Hi is this the right place for Kubuntu support?
[19:52] <mick_> Hello?
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> yes it is
[19:53] <hyper_ch> mick_: ask you you'll be helped - maybe
[19:54] <mick_> I just installed Kubuntu on VirtualBox, and I noticed that it won't give me a display size of more than 600x800
[19:54] <martijn81> nevermind, just ordered a lite on
[19:55] <p_quarles> mick_: that's entirely a virtualbox issue, not kubuntu; you need to install the guest additions
[19:56] <mick_> I Googled the issue, and apparently it affects people who use it as a host operating system.  Any suggestions?
[19:56] <p_quarles> again, you need to install the guest additions
[19:56] <mick_> I don't understand
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> mick_: websearch for virtualbox guest additions
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> mick_: and you will
[19:58] <mefisto__> mick_: or you could try your question in #vbox
[19:58] <p_quarles> it's not terribly complex: you just need to grab the guest-additions cd image from Sun's web site and install it in the guest machine
[19:59] <mick_> Thanks
[19:59] <mick_> #vbox
[20:00] <p_quarles> where they will tell you what I've already just got through saying . . .
[20:00] <hyper_ch> p_quarles: he didn't join #vbox yet
[20:01]  * hyper_ch give p_quarles a cookie
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> !cookie | p_quarles
[20:08] <tweak> anyone around to help?
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> !ask | tweak
[20:10] <tweak> i have ubuntu 8.10 installed. not sure why but firefox has lost my bookmarks, and does not open to my homepage despite the settings, does not allow back, forward or reload. I tried reinstalling it through synaptic but still same thing
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> tweak: if you run ls -a do you see a .mozilla folder?
[20:11] <tweak> yes
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> tweak: thats yuor firefox profile, jump into ~/.mozilla/firefox there and see if there are multiple profiles. They will be named random letters
[20:13] <tweak> so cd~/.mozilla/firefix and get an ls?
[20:15] <tweak> tweak@tweak-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls
[20:15] <tweak> 3izal57c.default  Crash Reports  profiles.ini
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> ok then the 3iz... folder is your firefox profile
[20:17] <tweak> rm -r?
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> if you run firefox -p you can make sure your profile points to that folder
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> tweak: that will remove the profile folder which i dont think you wanna do
[20:19] <tweak> for the love of linux thank you!
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> all better?
[20:19] <tweak> yup :)
[20:19]  * fidji est de retour.
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> tweak: if the profile is vastly important, BACK IT UP
[20:20] <p_quarles> !away | fidji
[20:20] <mefisto__> tweak: what did you do? firefox -p ? or did you delete the profle folder?
[20:20] <megatron> hola aguien me dice un servidor en español
[20:20]  * fidji probablement en train de jouer au Go
[20:20]  * fidji ne joue plus au Go
[20:20] <tweak> I did firefox -p and deleted the default user profile, then created a new one.
[20:21] <p_quarles> !es | megatron
[20:21] <tweak> when i did firefox -p from xterm it brought up a window for the firefox profiles
[20:21] <arussel> how can I insert 'special characters' in application ? (I have a us keyboard)
[20:22] <tweak> applications/accessories/character map
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> arussel: define special characters please
[20:23] <eagles0513875> hi ActionParsnip
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> hi eagles0513875
[20:24] <eagles0513875> how r you
[20:24] <eagles0513875> *are
[20:24] <arussel> ActionParsnip: é
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> arussel: i'd use charmap, i think in some apps if you put e' it changes to that
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> and other such
[20:25] <mick_> How do I join #vbox?
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> like e^ should change, i think its abstracted but im unsure
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> mick_: /j #vbox
[20:25] <tweak>  /join #vbox
[20:25] <mick_> Okay, I think I just figured it out.  Sorry about that.
[20:26] <tweak> when i tried to run google earth it sais it could not run because my graphics driver is not installed properly. how can i fix/update my graphics driver?
[20:27]  * arussel wonders how many people did join vbox trying to shoz how to do  it ...
[20:27] <tweak> hehe
[20:28] <arussel> ActionParsnip: isn't charmap an application ? I need something at the window manager level .
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> !charmap
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> arussel: i think tweak said it best: tweak: applications/accessories/character map
[20:30] <eagles0513875> !info charmp
[20:30] <tweak> when i tried to run google earth it sais it could not run because my graphics driver is not installed properly. how can i fix/update my graphics driver?
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> tweak: do you have video drivers installed?
[20:31] <tweak> i have no idea?
[20:31] <tweak> just installed from dvd so whatever is default?
[20:32] <eagles0513875> run jockey that finds all restricted drivers
[20:32] <peepsalot> i am thinking about trying Kubuntu, just curious if you guys could tell me why you prefer it over ubuntu?
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> tweak: then you dont have 3d accelleration, what video card do you have (lspci | grep -i vga will tell you)
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> peepsalot: i like kde apps
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> peepsalot: if you have ubuntu you can sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it will injstall
[20:34] <tweak> i used to use kde in Gentoox on XBOX
[20:34] <peepsalot> ActionParsnip, which apps?  why do you like them better?
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> peepsalot: habit of a long long time
[20:35] <tweak> tweak@tweak-desktop:~$ lspci | grep -i vga
[20:35] <tweak> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[20:35] <arussel> ActionParsnip, tweak: I don't have a accessories section in applications
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> tweak: ok, yuo need to find out how to configure that card, right now you will be using vesa drivers which wil not give 3d accelleation
[20:36] <tweak> I have the CD for it, but i'm sure it's for windows
[20:36] <tweak> and i hate windows
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> tweak: yes it will be, there are drivers in the reos, you just gotta fnid which one
[20:37] <tweak> reos?
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> *repos
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> tweak: and what config it wil need to get the driver working well
[20:37] <tweak> how do i go about that?
[20:38] <ActionParsnip> tweak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/146284
[20:38] <J-Dii> Anyone else having HUGE trouble with kubuntu 8.10? I have been using Kubuntu since 6.04, was very satisfied. But 8.10 is a catastrophe!
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> tweak: i used: ubuntu intel 82865G
[20:39] <J-Dii> Is it me or is it kubuntu?
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: are you fully updated
[20:40] <J-Dii> I get crashes all over the place. Apps don't start (even after killing them), Kmail forgets my accounts etc...
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: exactly what is the issue, and which version of kde are yuo running?
[20:40] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: I think I am
[20:40] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: KDE 4.x
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: 4.1 is ok, 4.2 is a bit hit and miss, 4.x isnt much info in this situation
[20:41] <tweak> i'm totally lost lol
[20:41] <tweak> i went to the page you suggested
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> tweak: yuo have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:42] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: the apt-update thing didn't do much - I was only missing the latest acpi-support...
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> tweak: it dictates keyboard, mouse, display of yur x server (the pretty graphical thing you are looking at)
[20:42]  * ibrar_away is away: Gone away for now
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: might help some (maybe)
[20:42] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: where do I check kde version?
[20:42]  * ibrar_ is back.
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: help -> about kde in any kde app
[20:42] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: :-)
[20:42] <tweak> yes i am aware of that, i'm just not sure how to add the 3d acceleration you were talking about
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> tweak: you specify the video driver and the resolutions in that file too, if you copy some of the lines from that link to your own xorg.conf yu will get full 3d accelleration
[20:43] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: Konversation's about says 3.5.10, Dolphin says 4.1.3
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> tweak: you need to do some websearching dude, its too massive for me to sit and pontificate on irc about it
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: then you have 4.1
[20:43] <J-Dii> yep
[20:44] <techbw> hi all, can someone let me know if compiz will work on laptop integrated SiS661 graphics
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: do you have full write / read access to ~/.kde and ~/.kde4
[20:44] <J-Dii> I had been upgrading since 6.10. Could this be a source of error?
[20:44] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: there is no ~/.kde4...
[20:45] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: only ~/.kde
[20:45] <tweak> Section "Device"
[20:45] <tweak> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[20:45] <tweak> EndSection
[20:45] <tweak> Section "Monitor"
[20:45] <tweak> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[20:45] <tweak> EndSection
[20:45] <tweak> Section "Screen"
[20:45] <tweak> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[20:45] <tweak> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[20:45] <tweak> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[20:45] <tweak> EndSection
[20:45] <arussel> is anyone using skim ? I am having trouble to use/install it.
[20:45] <tweak> that's the contents of the file
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> tweak: dont flood
[20:45] <tweak> sorry
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> tweak: imagine if all 338 of us did that
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> tweak: ok well you can see how bare your xorg.conf is cmopared to the one in the link
[20:46] <tweak> yes
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> tweak: you need to populate
[20:46] <mefisto__> tweak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for that kind of thing
[20:46] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: so, should there be a .kde4 directory?
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: if there isnt one and you log in the system would have made you one?
[20:47] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: I just logged in a few minutes ago...
[20:47] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: try sudo chown -R yourusername:yourusername ~/.kde; sudo chmod 755 ~/.kde
[20:48] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: (and not for the first time)
[20:48] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: I did have full access to .kde already.
[20:48] <tweak> ActionParsnip: Should i cut the complete contents off of the page and paste it at the bottom of that file?
[20:48] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: but .kde4 is completely missing.
[20:49] <mefisto__> I thought intrepid uses only .kde and not .kde4
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: its not needed then, if it was neded and missing you would get a stock .kde4 from the system
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: i was covering all bases :)
[20:50] <J-Dii> So kubuntu works for all of you?
[20:50] <J-Dii> (8.10 that is)
[20:50] <tweak> <--- is using Ubuntu
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: if you rename ~/.kde and rebot yuo willl get a fresh one which you can reset up as if you'd never logged in
[20:50] <J-Dii> Should I try to reinstall it from scratch?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> J-Dii: yeah, s'fine
[20:51] <J-Dii> ActionParsnip: moving .kde was the first thing I did after the upgrade :-)
[20:51] <tweak> ActionParsnip: Should i cut the complete contents off of the page and paste it at the bottom of that file?
[20:51] <J-Dii> I am also getting ugly artifacts in the task bar. How do I get rid of that?
[20:52] <J-Dii> This one looks like my Kmail error: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169166#
[20:52] <J-Dii> has that one been fixed yet?
[20:53] <mick_> I noticed that unlike Windows, where the icons appear directly on the desktop, the seems to be a small area titled "Desktop".
[20:53] <mick_> What is the rest of the space used for?
[20:53] <mefisto__> tweak: replace what you have with what's on that page. you can leave the info section at the beginning with lines starting with a #
[20:54] <mick_> How do I get the desktop icons to reappear?
[20:54] <J-Dii> bb
[20:54] <tweak> can that screw everything up?
[20:55] <mick_> Bueller...Bueller?
[20:56] <mefisto__> tweak: it could not work. that is, X won't start and you won't get a graphical login
[20:56] <mick_> mefisto: How do I get the desktop icons to reappear?
[20:57] <tweak> and if that happens what should i do?
[20:57] <mefisto__> tweak: you can back up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (rename it to xorg.conf.bare or something) so you can easily restore it if you need to
[20:57] <tweak> i just ommited the previous settings with #
[20:57] <mick_> Hello?
[20:57] <mefisto__> mick_: I'm not the best person to ask about kde4 issues. I've hardly used it at all
[20:57] <TraceRoute> can any of you help me with this error. http://pastebin.com/m54ad0743
[20:58] <Adola> I can't copy files from a CD of mine.  I'm using konqueror and KDE 4.2 beta.  the file will only end up being like 4-5 mB even though i's a 400 MB file
[20:58] <mick_> Okay.  I wasn't sure if people could see my posts.
[20:58] <mick_> I'm inexperienced with IRC
[20:58] <tweak> i do not have the permission necessary to save the file?
[20:59] <mick_> #kde4
[21:00] <mefisto__> tweak: you need root privileges to do things outside your home directory
[21:00] <TraceRoute> nevermind, just needed to run makeinstall as sudo
[21:00] <TraceRoute> sorry
[21:01] <mefisto__> tweak: so you could do: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[21:02] <NmLinuz> Please Help! I have installed KDE 4.2 RC Packages on my laptop, but i use an external monitor (22") and now i can't see the panel down! :(
[21:03] <NmLinuz> my laptop screen is 1280x800 and my external monitor 1680x1050
[21:03] <yao_ziyuan> some basic questions:
[21:03] <tweak> ok i have done it
[21:03] <tweak> am going to reboot
[21:03] <tweak> hope this works!
[21:03] <yao_ziyuan> how to clean apt-get package cache?
[21:03] <tweak> or am screwed
[21:03] <yao_ziyuan> what is autoremove? what is autoclean? what is clean?
[21:04] <Adola> I need someone to help me with a problem with File transfers
[21:04] <ing42> Anyone else with sound problems in KDE 4.2 RC ? Seems there is a problem with phonon-backend-xine. Amarok won't even start...
[21:05] <dr_willis> !apt | yao_ziyuan
[21:06] <yao_ziyuan> thanks
[21:06] <laurielegit> Does anyone know the name of the plasma debbugging symbols package in synaptic/adept/apt? I can't seem to find them by browsing or searching
[21:07] <Adola> I can't copy files from a CD of mine.
[21:07] <Adola> The files won't finish coping.
[21:07] <hyper_ch> what kind of cd?
[21:08] <Adola> hyper_ch: It's actually a DVD.  it's got files on it.  (Alot of .7z's)
[21:08] <hyper_ch> Adola: should be no problem to copy
[21:09] <ummels> ing42: do u have a non-english locale? there is bug with xine on non-english locales
[21:09] <Adola> hyper_ch: It is.  When I try to copy a file.  That little...Box pops up in the lower left hand corner and says "moving" and I only get about 3-4 MB's worth of data..Then it stops copying.
[21:09] <hyper_ch> Adola: are you sure it stops copying or is it just minimizing?
[21:09] <ing42> ummels: yes I do. Interesting.. should I uninstall the german locale then ?
[21:10] <mefisto__> laurielegit: should be the package name, with -dbg or -dbgsym added to the end
[21:10] <Adola> hyper_ch: It stops.  Beacuse, I can go back and check the file.  And it's still at 3 MB.  or whatever it gets (It varies)
[21:11] <hyper_ch> Adola: are the files larger?
[21:11] <Adola> Yes, 400+ MB
[21:11] <tweak> well it worked, sort of
[21:11] <tweak> i am booted up and everything
[21:11] <Adola> hyper_ch: Ok...Very odd.
[21:11] <Adola> It's working now....
[21:12] <Adola> o.O  Thanks!
[21:12] <tweak> now googleearth give me a different error lol
[21:12] <pucko-> Hello. How do I know what my dvd device is called in the filessystem? is there a sane way to find out automatically?
[21:12] <Adola> Ok, now I've got another question.
[21:12] <Adola> can ARK read 7z's?  Because when I open it it says "Error reading file"
[21:13] <tweak> Adola: You need to install 7zip
[21:13] <hyper_ch> pucko-: what do you mean?
[21:13] <hyper_ch> Adola: no, not by default
[21:13] <Adola> Ok, so sudo apt-get install 7zip
[21:13] <pucko-> hyper_ch: I don't know if it is /dev/sdb or something else?
[21:13] <Adola> Is that right?
[21:13] <tweak> it's in add/remove programs i believe
[21:14] <mefisto__> pucko-: it should be /dev/scd0 and scd1 if you have two, etc
[21:14] <ummels> ing42: u just need to set the default locale to german, i guess
[21:14] <ummels> ing42: english
[21:15] <pucko-> mefisto__: oh.. so my other question then, how am I supposed to know that? is there some way I can find out for any given system (in a script for instance)?
[21:15] <NmLinuz> How can i set my default monitor and my resolution to Xorg? PLS help
[21:15] <ing42> ummels: indeed. export LANG="en_GB" and now amarok starts fine
[21:16] <mefisto__> pucko-: /dev/cdrom should also symlink to /dev/scd0
[21:16] <ummels> ing42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/290768
[21:16] <ummels> ing42: good
[21:16] <pucko-> mefisto__: it wasn't so on my system..
[21:17] <tweak> i cannot get googleearth to work. i know this computer is capable, it runs uner xp
[21:17] <pucko-> mefisto__: anyway, thanks..
[21:17] <eagles0513875> night all
[21:18] <ing42> ummels: thanks for the link and the hint!
[21:18] <ummels> ing42: no problem
[21:23] <tweak> i apt-get install'd an app and it doesn't work... .so how do i remove it?
[21:23] <martijn81> tweak
[21:23] <mefisto__> tweak: apt-get remove <package>
[21:23] <tweak> thanks!!
[21:23] <martijn81> tweak: sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[21:23] <martijn81> oops
[21:24] <martijn81> hehe
[21:24] <martijn81> bye!
[21:24] <martijn81> good night all
[21:29] <tweak> my hard drive is in two partitions, one for xp and one for linux. I chose to have linux only use 50 gigs of space on the partition instead of the whole thing, but it turns out i want to use the whole partition. how can I accomplish that?
[21:30] <mefisto__> tweak: you want to delete the windows partition?
[21:31] <tweak> no
[21:32] <tweak> just use the full partition for ubuntu
[21:32] <tweak> i'm not sure i'm making any sense
[21:32] <mefisto__> tweak: so you have 2 partitions, and some unallocated space?
[21:32] <NmLinuz> for the default settings i have to install kubuntu-desktop package??
[21:33] <tweak> yes because i chose for linux to only use 50 gigs on it's partition instead of the full 100 gigs on it's partition
[21:34] <mick_> I just opened up firefox-3.0.5.tar.bz2 in Ark, and now I'm not sure what to do.
[21:35] <mick_> What do I do?
[21:35] <p_quarles> mick_: unless you're using an old version of Ubuntu, 3.0.5 is the default Firefox in the repos; no need to get the tarball
[21:36] <mick_> p_quarles: I don't follow.
[21:36] <mefisto__> tweak: I'm not following. do you have qtparted installed? that makes it easy to see graphically what partitions you have, and whether you have any unallocated space to either grow existing partitions or create new ones with the unallocated space
[21:37] <p_quarles> mick_: you can install Firefox via the package manager; you don't need to download the one that Mozilla packages
[21:38] <tweak> i have 44.75 gigs unacounted for. how do i change my linux partition size
[21:38] <mick_> p_quarles: Just so I know, how do I do this in Ark?  (I'm used to Windows, where everything is installed via installation wizard.)
[21:39] <tweak> GParted i have installed
[21:39] <p_quarles> mick_: the package manager is an installation wizard; use that
[21:40] <cplusplus2> i am using an old kubuntu;)
[21:40] <cplusplus2>  can i update my system without installing any new livecd?
[21:40] <marius__> hello ppl
[21:41] <Adola> Anyone know abut epsxe?
[21:41] <tweak> mephisto_: how do i resize my ext/2 filesystem
[21:41] <mick_> p_quarles: In Windows, software is installed by directly downloading and running an installation wizard, which then executes most of the process automatically.  Does Linux work that way?
[21:41] <mick_> I should mention that I am very new to Linux.
[21:42] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Nope, you use what's called a package manager
[21:42] <mick_> What is Ark?
[21:42] <astromme-laptop> mick_: The package manager knows what software is prepared for linux and allows you to install (which does the download, unpack, install, setup)
[21:42] <cplusplus2> i am using an old kubuntu;)  can i update my system without installing any new livecd?
[21:42] <p_quarles> mick_: it varies tremendously by distribution; in Kubuntu (which is the only distro this channel is meant for) you use the package management system
[21:42] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Ark is for extracting archives. it is not (normally) for installing software
[21:43] <tweak> mephisto_: how do i resize my ext/2 filesystem
[21:43] <astromme-laptop> mick_: What are you trying to install? Or are you just curious in general?
[21:43] <astromme-laptop> tweak: resize2fs
[21:43] <astromme-laptop> tweak: man resize2fs for help
[21:43] <tweak> k will try that.
[21:43] <tweak> can an ext/2 filesystem be converted to an ext3?
[21:44] <astromme-laptop> tweak: However, you need to know how to increase the size of your partition first if you want to resize your filesystem
[21:44] <astromme-laptop> tweak: I would suggest using a gui such as gparted or qtparted. Use your package manager (adept) to install either
[21:45] <mick_> Just so I understand, if software is installed via package manager, what is the purpose of the tar.bz2 files?
[21:45] <tweak> i have gparted running right now
[21:45] <astromme-laptop> tweak: You can mount an ext2 fs as ext3 just by changing your /etc/fstab. To add a journal.... there is a command, I don't remember off the top of my head
[21:45] <tweak> what do I do?
[21:45] <marius__> I am having problems with the sound. it seems the sound only works with external speakers. I am using a toshiba satelite laptop. and yep...sound card = hda
[21:45] <marius__> any idea?
[21:45] <mefisto__> tweak: yes it can. to do any of this, the partition cannot be mounted. you can boot with a livecd to do it
[21:45] <marius__> help pls
[21:45] <astromme-laptop> mick_: tar.bz2 and tar.gz usually contain archives. compressed files
[21:45] <tweak> ah boot with my live cd ok
[21:46] <astromme-laptop> marius__: What version of KDE/Kubuntu and what apps are you using sound with?
[21:46] <p_quarles> mick_: there are many uses for them, including distributing binary software; the only thing they have in common is that they contain compressed archives
[21:46] <tweak> but if I boot from my live cd i won't have gparted?
[21:46] <mick_> astromme-laptop: Kind of like .zip files in Windows?
[21:46] <p_quarles> mick_: some will have executable binaries, like the one you have, and others will have installation scripts
[21:46] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Exactly
[21:47] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Which can contain anything
[21:47] <p_quarles> mick_: but Firefox 3.0.5 is already packaged and much easier to install on Kubuntu via Adept/Synaptic/apt-get
[21:47] <marius__> well...the problem is with linux itself...sound won't work in either in mandriva or ubuntu. but anyway...it's a 8.04 kde 3.5
[21:47] <tweak> mefisto_: but if I boot from my live cd i won't have gparted?
[21:48] <astromme-laptop> marius__: there is a way to set your default alsa card... alsa-set-default? something like that. try googling
[21:48] <astromme-laptop> tweak: If you have an Ubuntu live cd you will
[21:48] <mick_> So what you're saying is that software can be installed from compressed files, but it's easier to use a package manager?
[21:48] <marius__> thanks a lot...I'm on it hahahah
[21:48] <astromme-laptop> tweak: If you have a Kubuntu live cd you can install qtparted/gparted with the package manager
[21:49] <astromme-laptop> tweak: They will just install to ram and disappear when you reboot
[21:49] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Yep, more or less
[21:49] <tweak> ok. anyone know how to mount my ext2 as ext3?
[21:49] <mefisto__> tweak: if it's not already on the livecd, you can install it just like on an installed kubuntu
[21:50] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Pretty much.. if something is packaged (which more or less everything you want will is) it is better to use a package manager. It takes care of dependencies (other software that is used by the software you want to install), etc...
[21:50] <astromme-laptop> tweak: Change the "ext2" entry to "ext3" for your fs in /etc/fstab
[21:51] <mick_> In case I have to install software that isn't part of a package, what file should I look for when I open it up in ark?
[21:51] <astromme-laptop> mick_: There's really no standard for that... there is usually a README or INSTALL file that tells you the specific info
[21:52] <astromme-laptop> mick_: But like I said... nearly everything you would want is packaged.... even a lot of bleeding edge stuff is packaged (see kubuntu intrepid 4.2 RC packages...)
[21:53] <astromme-laptop> mick_: For example.... I have 26000 packages that I could install. I have installed around 1000 (most of that was installed when I installed kubuntu)
[21:54] <mefisto__> tweak: ext3 is just ext2 with journalling. to create a journal: tune2fs -j /dev/sda1 (you need to do that when the partition is not mounted, so livecd usually) and make the changes to /etc/fstab mentioned above
[21:54] <mick_> You had me at "you can install Firefox via the package manager".
[21:54] <sidney> has anyone used a program called paragon ntfs to enable windows and linux to work together
[21:55] <mick_> How do I do that?
[21:55] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu? (Or other)
[21:55] <mick_> Kubuntu
[21:55] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Open up adept from the menus. It's probably in system tools or similar
[21:55] <mefisto__> mick_: start adept and search for firefox, or in konsole, type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:56] <astromme-laptop> It might be called "Package Manager" or "Adept Package Management" or something like that. I don't remember off the top of my head
[21:56] <mick_> I'm in Konsole.
[21:56] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Once you have Adept open, search for firefox.
[21:56] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Or use what mefisto__said
[21:56] <astromme-laptop> mick_: in konsole, "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[21:56] <astromme-laptop> put in your password when it asks
[21:58] <mick_> btw is it possible to change the password so that it's blank?  I'm the only one who uses this computer, and I find the password thing annoying.
[21:59] <astromme-laptop> mick_: There is a way (I don't remember offhand, google might tell you) but I don't suggest it
[21:59] <mick_> Why don't you reccomend it?
[22:00] <sidney> it's more helpful not to have a password when learning
[22:00] <p_quarles> mick_: because it enables an otherwise minor potential security hole to turn into someone owning your computer; and (I could be wrong) but I believe it's against channel policy here
[22:01] <mick_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xulrunner-1.9/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[22:01] <mick_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox-3.0/firefox-3.0-branding_3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[22:01] <mick_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox-3.0/firefox-3.0_3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[22:01] <mick_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox-3.0/firefox_3.0.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_all.deb  404 Not Found
[22:01] <mick_> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[22:02] <p_quarles> !paste > mick_
[22:02] <FrauHansen> hi guys. following problem: fresh install of 8.10 kde4 using wubi. the network doesnt work, static IP is configured in /etc/networking/interfaces. even LAN doesnt work. ifconfig shows eth0 with right config though
[22:03] <mick_> Sorry about that, I'll use pastebin in the future.
[22:03] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Are you on the internet with the computer you're trying to install firefox on?
[22:03] <FrauHansen> cant even ping neighbours pc in lan. host not found :( what did i miss?
[22:03] <sidney> I'm looking for a way for linux and windows to talk
[22:04] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Is your netmask correct? Can you piing via ip?
[22:04] <mefisto__> mick_: passwordless sudo is like leaving your car keys in the ignition
[22:04] <astromme-laptop> sidney: samba
[22:04] <ummels> mick_: Run "sudo apt-get update" first
[22:04] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Also, what's you're routing information? "route"
[22:04] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, netmask is OK, copied the config from working kubuntu and only changed the IP
[22:04] <sidney> samba is for networking right
[22:04] <astromme-laptop> ummels: ohh... he doesn't have an up to date list... and the old packages aren't in the archive. nice
[22:05] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Routing might be bad.... ?
[22:05] <astromme-laptop> sidney: Yeah? Oh, do you mean in a dual boot machine?
[22:05] <sidney> yes
[22:05] <ummels> astromme-laptop: that's what i'm suspecting, yes
[22:05] <mick_> mefisto_: Good analogy :)
[22:05] <sidney> i have a fat partition but
[22:05] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, route says link-local, 172.20.0.0 and default, which is 172.20.254.254
[22:06] <cplusplus2> i locate and find not working? -> http://rafb.net/p/JPuw1h94.html
[22:06] <astromme-laptop> sidney: You can read to/from your windows drive from linux. If it's NTFS you might need ntfs-3g (packge install with adept or apt-get)
[22:06] <mick_> astromme-laptop: yes
[22:06] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Is it working now? After you "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get install firefox"?
[22:06] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, on the working machine 172.20.254.254 (default gw) is resolved to a hostname, but not on the trouble pc
[22:06] <sidney> ok
[22:07] <sidney> thanks
[22:07] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: is your /etc/netmask correct?
[22:07] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, there rout hangs for a while (timeout i guess) and then displays the IP of the default gw
[22:08] <mick_> I should continue?
[22:08] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, file doesn't exist (neither on the working pc)
[22:08] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: err... /etc/resolv.conf
[22:08] <mick_> Let me rephrase: Should I continue?
[22:08] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Continue with what? what have you done?
[22:09] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, we copied this one from the working pc, too...should be OK then
[22:09] <mick_> sudo apt-get install firefox; "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[22:09] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Yep
[22:09] <mick_> "
[22:09] <mick_> Okay.
[22:10] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: ok... so you have a correct ip and netmask and route namserver but you can't ping? not even by ip?
[22:10] <sidney> sudo apt-get install NTFS-3G ?
[22:10] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Does nslookup domain.com (e.g. nslookup google.com) work?
[22:10] <mefisto__> mick_: by the way, that uppercase Y means it is the default choice, so hitting the enter key means "yes"
[22:10] <astromme-laptop> sidney: Lowercase, but yes
[22:11] <mick_> Good to know
[22:11] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Also, "sudo apt-get update" refereshes the list of packages that can be installed... which is also a good idea to do before installing anything.
[22:11] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, cant ping by IP, nslookup is also not working...it's like the cable is loose, but it's not, we checked 4 times
[22:12] <sidney> god that was easy
[22:12] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Lights are on with the port? interface is up? you have the right interface? (eth0/eth1/eth2...e tc?)
[22:12] <sidney> the first easy i'll tried to do on this computer
[22:12] <FrauHansen> well we didn't try to name it eth1 yet
[22:13] <astromme-laptop> sidney: Good to hear =)
[22:13] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Eh?
[22:13] <sidney> astromme-laptop: thanks
[22:13] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: what interfaces do you have? "sudo ifconfig -a"
[22:13] <SudoKing> How can I reset Xine settings or restore it to a different date? I tried to change the deinterlacing method b/ the setting stays the same and the music is accentuated, sound doesn't work in some apps.
[22:13] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, eth0 and lo
[22:13] <astromme-laptop> SudoKing: Move/remove "~/.xine" I think
[22:13] <tweak> does anyone know how to wipe free space?
[22:14] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Hmm, then you should be fine...... I have no idea, sorry.
[22:14] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, what happens when you "rename" the config for eth0 to eth1?
[22:14] <SudoKing> k
[22:14] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: you know how you have eth0 and lo? I have 2 network cards on my computer (on my mobo and a second in a pci slot) so I have eth0 and eth1
[22:14] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, like change only all "eth0" to "eth1" in the configs?
[22:14] <mefisto__> sidney: you might want to install ntfs-config too. it automatically sets up your fstab so that your windows partition will be mounted automatically on boot. or you could edit /etc/fstab yourself
[22:14] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Things would break unless you had a second card that was eth1
[22:15] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: And my wifi on my laptop is wlan0, etc...
[22:15] <tweak> does anyone know how to wipe free space?
[22:15] <david_edmundson> tweak: what?
[22:15] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, its an old laptop doesnt even have wireless onboard, i doubt that is has 2 network cards
[22:15] <astromme-laptop> mefisto__, sidney: also.. kde4 will auto-mount it (iirc) when you click on it in dolphin.
[22:15] <tweak> or 0 write free space?
[22:15] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, it has a modem but is that important?
[22:15] <david_edmundson> what do you gain from doing that?
[22:16] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Shouldn't be
[22:16] <sidney> now i'm lost
[22:16] <tweak> space
[22:16] <mick_> It's working!  Thank you.
[22:16] <david_edmundson> if it's free - that won't gain you any more space
[22:16] <astromme-laptop> FrauHansen: Honestly I have no idea, sorry. I don't know what could be wrong
[22:16] <sidney> ked you mean the desktop as opposed to gnome
[22:16] <sidney> kde
[22:16] <FrauHansen> astromme-laptop, i' m out of ideas, too :(
[22:17] <astromme-laptop> mick_: No problem, enjoy. If you want to search for a package you can use "apt-cache search" or use adept from your menus.
[22:17] <astromme-laptop> sidney: Yeah. Kubuntu is KDE
[22:17] <sidney> i'm gnome
[22:17] <mefisto__> tweak: type "man shred"
[22:18] <sidney> so the first option sounds best
[22:18] <tweak> just curious.. in windows you need serrious software like norton and all that crap..... like spoyware sweepers and defragmenters and disk cleaners.... is any of that applicable in ubuntu?
[22:18] <astromme-laptop> sidney: You have gnome from ubuntu, not kde from Kubuntu? There is a #ubuntu support channel that is usually better suited to gnome questions
[22:19] <sidney> ubuntu
[22:19] <sidney> ok thanks you did well
[22:19] <sidney> thanks
[22:19] <astromme-laptop> tweak: For the moment? Nah, I don't use any of it. As linux gains popularity I'm sure some sort of protection would be needed.
[22:19] <david_edmundson> tweak: turns out there's a program called "zerofree" that does it
[22:19] <astromme-laptop> sidney: Again, no problem.
[22:20] <tweak> apt-get install?
[22:20] <astromme-laptop> tweak: But you probably have a number of years before that's a real problem
[22:20] <tweak> what about defragmentation?
[22:20] <mefisto__> tweak: I wouldn't say you NEED any of that on a linux system generally. Unless you're worried about passing on viruses through emails to others
[22:21] <astromme-laptop> tweak: ext3 (the filesystem) manages itself in a smart way. You don't need to defrag it.
[22:21] <Makuseru> !k3b
[22:21] <david_edmundson> yeah - but the only reason you'd want to do it is if you're trying to compress a virtual disk
[22:21] <tweak> not worried about passing on viruses to others
[22:22] <astromme-laptop> tweak: You can install clam antivirus on linux (I think it even has a package) but I wouldn't worry about it.
[22:22] <david_edmundson> clamAV is mostly for putting on your email/firewall server (if you're an IT admin) to check for windows viruses
[22:23] <david_edmundson> but it's not needed for a user level
[22:23] <tweak> i just know windows piles the crap everywhere as soon as you open explorer and hides your cache so even if you use cleanup some cache still remains.. looking to get rid of said cache if it exists i suppose
[22:23] <david_edmundson> your main cache "/tmp" gets emptied on boot
[22:24] <tweak> i love linux
[22:25] <tweak> the app zerofree i can't run unless booting live
[22:25] <tweak> live from cd
[22:26] <tweak> can't figure out how to use shed despite man
[22:27] <tweak> shred*
[22:27] <p_quarles> tweak: it's really simple: shred /path/to/file
[22:28] <tweak> i want to shred free space
[22:28] <palo> ahojte
[22:29] <palo> ako sa mate?
[22:29] <p_quarles> tweak: is the partition empty?
[22:29] <tweak> no
[22:29] <p_quarles> tweak: then shredding it will get rid of your data
[22:30] <astromme-laptop> tweak, I don't think there's an easy way when the filesystem is mounted.
[22:30] <tweak> anyone used the app zerofree?
[22:30] <tweak> so i need to boot from a live cd then do it?
[22:30] <D_Ed> tweak read "apt-cache show zerofree"
[22:30] <D_Ed> that tells you what the package does
[22:31] <D_Ed> you probably don't want to use it.
[22:31] <tweak> hm.
[22:31] <tweak> I know i used norton to do this to an ntfs filesystem..
[22:32] <p_quarles> "Zerofree has been written to be run from GNU/Linux systems installed as guest OSes inside a virtual machine. If this is not your case, you almost certainly don't need this package."
[22:32] <tweak> hm...
[22:33] <p_quarles> tweak: as the page for that app indicates, you can use dd to create an zeroed file in the empty space on the partition; this would need to be done via a live disk, and is risky enough that you shouldn't think about doing so without backing everything up
[22:33] <qcjn> hi, what is keyring. A pass word manager ? But mostly, where can i configure keyboard shortcut to my own taste ?
[22:34] <tweak> is ubuntu portage?
[22:36] <tweak> when I shift-delete files or use rm -r are they truly removed or are they recoverable?
[22:37] <mick_> What is a tarball?
[22:37] <p_quarles> that just de-links them; yes, they are recoverable
[22:37] <p_quarles> mick_: just a slang term for a tar archive
[22:37] <tweak> ok. how do I make them unrecoverable?
[22:38] <mick_> what is a tar archive?
[22:38] <tweak> a tarball is what smokers caugh up lol
[22:38] <mick_> p_quarles: What is a tar archive?
[22:38] <p_quarles> mick_: you're repeating yourself
[22:39] <tweak> how do I make my already deleted files unrecoverable?
[22:39] <mick_> No, I'm not.
[22:39] <tweak> it's just like a zip or a rar only it's a tar
[22:39] <p_quarles> mick_: you asked the same question twice; it's rude
[22:39] <mick_> I should have phrased that differently.  I was seeking clarification.
[22:39] <cplusplus> how could a add the path of a .so file during starting of a program?
[22:40] <p_quarles> tweak: the things we've already discussed are your options; there is no safe way to do that without backing up the data you want to keep
[22:41] <tweak> ok
[22:41] <dr_willis> cplusplus,  i think theres a command line way of doing that.. ive seen some games do it.. but i cant rember how/syntax
[22:41] <cplusplus> ok
[22:42] <dr_willis> cplusplus,  it may be somthing to do with LDPRELOAD (but im guessing from memory)
[22:42] <cplusplus> LD_LIBRARY_PATH better?
[22:43] <dr_willis> that would alter the LD path.  which may also do what you want.
[22:43] <tictactatic> hi guys, i've upgraded to kde 4.2 rc1, I apparently messed up some rc file migration. I've fixed plasma (deleted plasmarc files, rebooted kde)
[22:43] <tweak> does anyone know how to mount a fatx hard drive?
[22:43] <tictactatic> but I still have a problem with keyboard shortcuts
[22:44] <dr_willis> tweak fatx? you mean a normal 'fat/fat32' drive? if so its documented all over the place.  :) either use a fstab entry, or mount it manually, or perhaps isntall/run that ntfs-config too. to allow users to mount/read/write them on the fly
[22:45] <tweak> yup fatx.... it's the filesystem a regular xbox uses on it's hard drive.
[22:45] <dr_willis> brb
[22:45] <tictactatic> e.g. ctrl+esc, or alt+f2 or anything else, doesn't work and furthermore disables keyboard input in any open application window
[22:45] <tictactatic> has anybody had similar experiences?
[22:45] <dr_willis> tweak ya better google for that then.. I barely recall that.. and I dont  recall the details.
[22:45] <sadf> #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr
[22:46] <tweak> ok
[22:47] <SudoKing> astromme-laptop: I removed the .xine folder, however the sound is still the same =\
[22:48] <cplusplus> how could i print LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[22:48] <mick_> Should I install Javascript or Flash first?
[22:48] <SudoKing> you shouldn't need to install javascript oo
[22:48] <mefisto__> mick_: do you mean java?
[22:49] <mick_> Oh yeah, I forgot.
[22:49] <mick_> mefisto__: I meant Java
[22:49] <mefisto__> mick_: doesn't really matter which you install first
[22:50] <SudoKing> My sound system is bothering me, the sound is very accentuated, voice doesn't appear or its crackly in some cases and doesn't show up at all in some apps. I'd just like to reconfigure it or rebuild the sound system, but removing the xine folder didn't help :|
[22:50] <LeeJunFan> konsole problem under kde 4.2 rc1 - when hitting tab to complete first time after opening - I get a long 20sec or so hang. Anyone else?
[22:51] <mick_> On a different note, which file type is best for installations: .tar.gz, .rpm, YUM, or .deb
[22:52] <dr_willis> mick_,  i find that the type dosent matter... its whaat your disrto uses.. tha tyou should be using
[22:52] <mefisto__> mick_: .deb is what you need for k/ubuntu. .tar.gz is just an archive (like .zip or .rar)
[22:52] <dr_willis> if its a deb based disrto.. stick with debs. :)
[22:52] <dr_willis> next would be using source if you cant find a deb.
[22:52] <SudoKing> or be simple and use the repository ._.
[22:53] <dr_willis> Then if all else fails theres those somewhat neat. but problamitic autopackage/klic archives that some times work
[22:53] <p_quarles> the K/Ubuntu repositories contain .deb files
[22:53] <SudoKing> if you use an apt interface, better than using dpkg to install from deb
[22:55] <dr_willis> package management/software installing - is such an 'interesting' topic.
[22:55] <mick_> a program called KdeSudo is asking me for my password before I install something.
[22:56] <mick_> Is that a legit request, or is it phishing?
[22:56] <LeeJunFan> mick_: it's legit
[22:56] <mefisto__> mick kdesudo is just the graphical version of sudo (the program you're starting needs "root access" to work properly)
[22:56] <LeeJunFan> it needs to have your permission to install software outside your user home directory.
[22:56] <LeeJunFan> !sudo
[22:57] <mick_> Is that what that minor security hole is that can be exploited on a passwordless system?
[22:58] <LeeJunFan> well, a truly passwordless system is a major security hole.
[22:58] <Zorix> is there some reason the kubuntu team has missed its alpha 3 deadline
[22:58] <astromme-laptop> mick_: That's one way of getting root privs yes.
[22:58] <ytoox> quick question, I have a atheros 802.11 wireless card on my laptop and for some reason the wireless drops randomly and it says that the strength is 80%
[22:58] <ytoox> how can I fix this?
[22:58] <ytoox> please
[22:58] <astromme-laptop> Zorix: They were writing release notes yesterday, are you sure they missed it?
[22:58] <TheZ> sudo is the _opposite_ of an insecure system...
[22:58] <Zorix> astromme-laptop, not on cdimage.ubuntu.org
[22:59] <ytoox> anyone can help me?
[22:59] <astromme-laptop> There were some game-breaking bugs yesterday with regards to plasmoids. You didn't have a plasma desktop with the packages because it crashed. Perhaps they waited until the fixed packages were built and uploaded
[22:59] <TheZ> sudo allows the control of which apps can be used by non-root, logs it, and is certainly better than the windows alternative-"all or nothing".
[22:59] <astromme-laptop> Zorix:  /are waiting
[23:00] <dr_willis> sudo has a LOT of features that people rarely notice. :)
[23:00] <Zorix> astromme-laptop, that explained why i updated my alpha 2 vm and the desktop got hosed
[23:00] <astromme-laptop> Zorix: Yep. You had a black screen after the loading screen?
[23:00] <TheZ> your sw is asking for the password so that a malicious program can't do anything seriously dangerous on its own...
[23:00] <Zorix> actually it was white screen, astromme-laptop
[23:01] <astromme-laptop> Zorix: Ok, still probably the same.
[23:01] <Zorix> thought so
[23:02] <ytoox> hello?
[23:02] <Zorix> ytoox, sorry i cant help
[23:02] <Zorix> ytoox, probably releated to the driver
[23:03] <Zorix> i just have a broadcom wireless card
[23:03] <TheZ> ytoox: look at logs, run from command line, enable debugging, Google, etc... Your problem may be general (see logs), or it may be specific to either your card or the hw.. who knows?
[23:03] <ytoox> quick question, I have a atheros 802.11 wireless card on my laptop and for some reason the wireless drops randomly and it says that the strength is 80%
[23:04] <Zorix> might want to submit a bug report?
[23:04] <ytoox> what would I be looking for on the logs
[23:04] <ytoox> I don't know what they're about
[23:04] <TheZ> on boot: dmesg | less
[23:04] <ytoox> ok
[23:04] <ytoox> hold on
[23:05] <Zorix> does it work on the kubuntu live cd
[23:05] <fannen_hp> salut
[23:05] <ytoox> I am already on my laptop and dont have the live cd
[23:05] <fannen_hp> j ai quelque question svp
[23:05] <mick_> exit
[23:05] <TheZ> also /var/log/*.log
[23:05] <Zorix> ytoox, do you dual boot windows or anything
[23:05] <ytoox> nop
[23:06] <ytoox> only linux
[23:06] <TheZ> if you plan on troubleshooting your system, you may need to become pretty sharp on the command line.
[23:06] <Zorix> ytoox, has it worked at all before?
[23:06] <ytoox> yeah, it works but it looses the signal pretty easy
[23:06] <Zorix> but has it always done this?
[23:06] <ytoox> every other computer around me works fine
[23:06] <ytoox> but mine connects and disconnects
[23:06] <Zorix> those computers with the same wireless chip?
[23:07] <TheZ> same band?
[23:07] <ytoox> no, but at least it tells me that the network is up and running
[23:07] <ytoox> yeah
[23:07] <Zorix> ytoox, well you need to figure out if its a defective chip, a buggy driver, or some bad config/package
[23:08] <ytoox> well, I am not a computer savy
[23:08] <ytoox> you expect me to do that?
[23:08] <ytoox> is there anyone in charge?
[23:08] <Zorix> what is the exact chip model
[23:09] <fannen_hp> how want to  help me please  i have quetions
[23:09] <dr_willis> 'please state the nature of the linux emrgancy'
[23:09] <Zorix> fannen_hp, you need to ask in english to get a response
[23:09] <TheZ> well.. _I'm_ certainly not in charge! :)
[23:09] <ytoox> Zorix: how do I find that out
[23:09] <ytoox> ?
[23:10] <Zorix> ytoox, run dmesg in a shell and scroll up look for something that says wireless
[23:10] <ytoox> ok
[23:10] <Zorix> or lspci might work
[23:10] <BluesKaj> !wifi | ytoox
[23:11] <ytoox> don't see what you told me
[23:11] <dr_willis> wireless can be such a pain.. but  i must say.. its gotten MUCH better then it was like  a year ago
[23:11] <Zorix> ytoox, we cant help you unless we know what chip model
[23:11] <Zorix> its in there somewhere
[23:12] <Zorix> check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[23:12] <ytoox> this is what hardware database says
[23:12] <ytoox> Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)
[23:12] <ytoox> Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[23:12] <Zorix> ok
[23:13] <ytoox> is that the model?
[23:14] <Zorix> yes
[23:14] <ytoox> ok
[23:14] <Zorix> i did some research
[23:14] <ytoox> :D
[23:14] <ytoox> ok
[23:14] <Zorix> apparently it has been an issue for others as well
[23:14] <Zorix> check this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5535562&postcount=3
[23:15] <ytoox> checking
[23:15] <mick_> How do I install WINE?
[23:15] <Zorix> ytoox, found that by this forum entry: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=894177
[23:15] <Zorix> mick_: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[23:16] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Take a guess. it has to do with "sudo apt-get install"
[23:16] <astromme-laptop> Or... Zorix might have a newer package as well... dunno
[23:16] <Zorix> the wine in the official repo is outdated
[23:16] <Zorix> winehq repo is newer
[23:17] <peanutbutterninj> anyone want to deal with a complete linux noob for a couple of minutes
[23:17] <Zorix> mick_: scroll down to the alternate install method for kubuntu at the bottom
[23:17] <peanutbutterninj> ive got a really stupid question
[23:17] <Zorix> what is the question
[23:17] <ytoox> this is driving me crazy
[23:17] <maxbaldwin> !ask | peanutbutterninj
[23:17] <astromme-laptop> peanutbutterninj: just ask it, we don't need a backstory. And no question is too newb
[23:17] <peanutbutterninj> ive got two 250 GB harddrives on my computer and theyre ntfs
[23:18] <sidney> astromme-laptop: that worked great, truely amazing what this thing can do if ubuntu cant help i'll be back
[23:18] <peanutbutterninj> and i heard partitioning a single drive for multiboot was kind of dangerous
[23:18] <Zorix> ytoox, your chip isnt well supported yet it seems, it will take some work to get working
[23:18] <peanutbutterninj> does it matter if im putting kubuntu on its own drive and leaving the windows one alone
[23:18] <astromme-laptop> sidney: What was this about? automounting ntfs?
[23:19] <sidney> the ntfs is read from ubuntu
[23:19] <derjens> hey, i want to use lame to encode audio to mp3. which program to use to decode ogg?
[23:19] <mick_> How do I check which version of Kubuntu I'm running?
[23:19] <astromme-laptop> sidney: Great =). I'm using it as well
[23:19] <derjens> i want to pipe an ogg file to lame in order to get an mp3 file...
[23:19] <astromme-laptop> mick_: "lsb_release -a"
[23:19] <peanutbutterninj> i know that, but i remember that trying to partition a single drive to multiboot windows and something else was dangerous if the drive was originally ntfs
[23:19] <mick_> thanx
[23:20] <Zorix> peanutbutterninj, i dont think either way is that dangerous, as always when making partition changes, make backups just in case
[23:20] <peanutbutterninj> would that be a problem if i have 2 drives and i just want to completely format the one that doesnt have windows
[23:20] <peanutbutterninj> alright
[23:20] <Zorix> you can
[23:20] <Zorix> it doesnt care
[23:21] <TheZ> PBJ: what kind of problem were you thinking it would have? Reading it?
[23:21] <peanutbutterninj> a few years ago i partitioned an ntfs drive to boot windows and ubuntu and the computer wouldnt boot and i was told partitioning ntfs with linux was a bad idea
[23:21] <mick_> I scrolled to the bottom of the page and pasted sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/intrepid.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list into the Konsole
[23:21] <peanutbutterninj> i dont know i was just wondering if it was going to completely kill my computer again
[23:21] <Zorix> peanutbutterninj, ntfs and partition resizing has gotten better in recent times
[23:21] <mick_> It seems to have finished rather quickly.  Is there another step?
[23:21] <astromme-laptop> peanutbutterninj: formatting ntfs under linux isn't always great. However, it's really really improved in the last 2-3 years
[23:22] <TheZ> PBJ: Partitions can be anything, and only relate to booting if pointed to by your boot loader (either windows or linux (a la grub, etc.))
[23:22] <Zorix> mick_: type sudo apt-get install wine
[23:22] <sidney> does Linux have to be defragmented?
[23:22] <peanutbutterninj> im just going to be formatting a second internal drive that doesnt have anything crucial to booting windows on it, is it for sure going to be able to handle that
[23:22] <Zorix> mick_, the previous command loaded the winehq download server into apt-get's sources so you can install from it
[23:22] <astromme-laptop> mick_: What that first step did was install what is called a "repository" to your system. Your computer now knows to go to a separate place to get the wine packages
[23:23] <peanutbutterninj> and installing kubuntu on the one i format
[23:23]  * astromme-laptop lols as he gave the same info as Zorix
[23:23] <astromme-laptop> sidney: no
[23:23] <Zorix> at least we agree
[23:24] <astromme-laptop> True, which can't always be said of an irc chat
[23:24] <alonea> how do you set your trash can folder to essentially go nowhere? Like, when I delete something, it does not move the files to a real place. basically I dont want a trashcan function
[23:24] <Zorix> alonea, i usually just hold shift when deleting and it bypasses the trash
[23:24] <TheZ> alonea: try /dev/null
[23:25] <TheZ> be careful, though! A soft link should work... You can also have a cron task simply delete it periodically...
[23:25] <alonea> Zorix: I know I can do that, but I was told once you can make your trash a sort of blackhole and thats what I am aiming for.
[23:25] <TheZ> That makes more sense.. you know, like hoursly.. this way you still have a l;ast chance to grab stuff! :)
[23:25] <Zorix> alonea, you can sym link it to /dev/null like TheZ stated
[23:25] <alonea> Zorix: thanks
[23:25] <mick_> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[23:25] <mick_> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[23:25] <mick_> mick@mick-laptop:~$
[23:25] <TheZ>  /dev/null ah.. the black hole of Linux.. I like it!
[23:25] <mick_> Did it finish?
[23:25] <Zorix> but if i were you i would set up a cron to delete at certain times like TheZ stated as well
[23:26] <Zorix> mick_, yes, you should be able to launch an exe by typing: wine something.exe
[23:26] <genii> mick_: Yes it finished
[23:26] <alonea> TheZ: indeed.
[23:27] <astromme-laptop> mick_: in general if you get back to the promt ( the $ ) you have a successful command that finished
[23:27] <astromme-laptop> mick_: it will tell you if it errored
[23:27] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Also, you should be able to click on a windows .exe and have it autoload with wine
[23:27] <mick_> If I want to install WeatherBug for Windows, do I just download the Windows installation wizard and go through the process as though I were using Windows
[23:27] <mick_> ?
[23:27] <\Kira> yes
[23:28] <mick_> Thanks \Kira
[23:28] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Did you say you're using Kubuntu 8.10/Intrepid?
[23:28] <\Kira> No problem
[23:28] <Zorix> mick_, keep in mind, not everything works with wine
[23:28] <mick_> Yes
[23:28] <astromme-laptop> mick_: You can install a weather plasmoid that gives you temps
[23:28] <cplusplus> how could i print LD_LIBRARY_PATH_
[23:28] <astromme-laptop> mick_: I'm not sure what you need the weatherbug for but it'll do temps.
[23:28] <mefisto__> mick_: wine is far from perfect though, and doesn't necessarily work with everything
[23:28] <astromme-laptop> cplusplus: 'echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH'
[23:29] <Zorix> cplusplus, type: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[23:29] <mick_> I know.  It lacks some of the features on the Windows version.
[23:29] <astromme-laptop> mick_: Ok, just checking
[23:29] <cplusplus> is a  echo LD_LIBRARY_PATH usually empty?
[23:30] <cplusplus> is a LD_LIBRARY_PATH usually empty?
[23:30] <Zorix> yea
[23:30] <cplusplus> ok
[23:30] <Zorix> its used to override defaults
[23:31] <cplusplus> why
[23:31] <estan> hrm hrm, i've started running KDE from trunk and it's quite okay, however knetworkmanager (kde3) keeps popping up. even though i quit it, it's there when i log back in again.. anyone know how to get rid of this? (i'm using knetworkmanager from KDE playground instead).
[23:32] <Zorix> cplusplus, if you have libraries in a non-standard directory not in the path, then it allows the program to check another directory
[23:33] <Zorix> estan, check /home/username/.kde/Autostart
[23:33] <blight_> hi, is it possible to install 8.10 with KDE3.5 instead of KDE4? i don't like KDE4 at all :(
[23:34] <Zorix> 8.04 was last to use kde 3.5, but i dont know if the 8.10 repo has kde 3.5
[23:34] <mefisto__> it doesn't
[23:35] <Zorix> blight_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[23:35] <mefisto__> you'd have to compile from source and figure everything out for yourself, or find a 3rd party repo and cross your fingers
[23:35] <blight_> i found some forum thread which says that it's beeing worked on
[23:35] <estan> Zorix: yea, it's empty (my KDEHOME for this KDE is ~/.kde-trunk).
[23:35] <blight_> Zorix: yeah this one
[23:35] <alonea> from source isn't too bad unless things don't go right.
[23:36] <blight_> "19-11-2008, Important!, The KDE3 repositories are offline now. Madscientist159 and Kubuntu Team are working to provide official KDE3 packages/repo for Kubuntu Intrepid."
[23:36] <blight_> <3 KDE3.5
[23:36] <alonea> blight_: out of curiosity, what do you dislike about kde4?
[23:36] <mefisto__> blight_: it's easier to just stick to 8.04 and enable backports etc
[23:37] <Zorix> estan, check /usr/share/autostart/
[23:37] <Zorix> im still on 8.04 waitinf until 4.x is usable enough
[23:38] <estan> Zorix: nothing networkmanager-related in there :/
[23:38] <blight_> alonea: it's slow atm, has some crashes, and shows "random" (uninitialized) pixmaps sometimes, and i dont like the new concepts
[23:38] <blight_> alonea: i.e. the "scrolling startmenu" is one of the worst menus i have ever used
[23:38] <blight_> or the way how panels are configured
[23:38] <Zorix> estan, try searching your disk for knetworkmanager maybe its somewhere else.. do a find / -name *knetworkmanager*
[23:38] <estan> i'm thinking maybe plasma is confused because i have been using both knetworkmanager from kde3 and the one from KDE SVN trunk at the same time.. and it launces both.
[23:38] <Zorix> blight_, the start menu can be configured for classic mode too
[23:39] <blight_> alonea: and the taskbar - it's just a single row even if you have 20 items in it with each beeing only 30px wide but 80 heigh
[23:39] <alonea> blight_: to each his own, but on the pixmaps are you talking about how the icons don't show up right a lot
[23:39] <blight_> Zorix: where?? please tell me
[23:39] <Zorix> kde 4.2 can have multi row, blight_
[23:39] <estan> i think it's in plasmarc, but i can only find stuff related to the knetworkmanager that i _want_ running there.. i think.. a bit hard to tell it apart.
[23:39] <Zorix> blight_, right click on the K menu and its an option there
[23:39] <estan> anyway, thx for the suggestions Zorix.
[23:39] <blight_> alonea: no, i.e. the taskbar tooltips are shown before they are drawn and will show "old/uninitailzed/random/memory pixels"
[23:39] <blight_> Zorix: <3 thanks
[23:40] <blight_> finally!!!
[23:40] <blight_> lol how could i have missed this option
[23:40] <Zorix> i found it by accident one day
[23:41] <blight_> alonea: or if i press "ctrl+alt+del" the whole background is uninitialized
[23:41] <alonea> blight_: hmmm... not sure if I have that problem. As for the scrolling menu I don't use it much since there is only about 5-6 progs I use and I put them on the favorites
[23:41] <alonea> blight_: but I can understand your dislike for it.
[23:41] <blight_> i'm on a dualcore athlon64, using the 64bit version
[23:41] <Zorix> i think there's a better way to do that as well
[23:42] <blight_> KDE4 is just not ready for productive use
[23:42] <blight_> and i use(d) KDE and the tools heavily ;)
[23:42] <noaXess> nt now.. but it will.. end of january.. if 4.2 is available
[23:42] <Zorix> 4.2 will be usable i think
[23:42] <blight_> end of jan? ok thats not too far away
[23:42] <noaXess> jep
[23:42] <alonea> blight_: not having that issue, but then I have the pre-release turned on in my repos.
[23:43] <Zorix> im waiting for details on 4.3 too
[23:43] <blight_> alonea: i see
[23:43]  * estan is on trunk and it's quite okay..
[23:43] <astromme-laptop> blight_: You can revert to the old-style menu by right clicking it and selecting "Switch to classic menu style"
[23:43] <blight_> 4.3... q4/2009? ;)
[23:43] <Zorix> somewhere around there
[23:43] <blight_> astromme-laptop: yeah i was already told that, thanks
[23:43] <alonea> blight_: and 32 bit version. also, are you using the beta kde (4.2 I think) or 4.1?
[23:43] <astromme-laptop> blight_: Oh lol, wasn't scrolled down totally. whoops
[23:43] <Zorix> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules
[23:44] <SteBoo> hi! the comic plasmoid from KDE 4.2 RC1 crashes all the time when I hover with the mouse over it. is there a workaround?
[23:44] <blight_> alonea: 4.1.3
[23:44] <estan> but i think people should stop asking the question; "when will it be ready for being productive with?".. it's not a fixed point in time when that will happen. for some it's been OK to work with for a long time, for others it's not yet.
[23:44] <estan> it happens gradually.
[23:44] <SteBoo> actually the whole plasma crashes
[23:45] <alonea> blight_: ah ok. same then. yeah, I haven't had too many problems. just icon issues in taskbar. as for crashes, none here.
[23:45] <astromme-laptop> True, gradually... for example I was working with kde4 since last year at this time.... however I would certainly say it's better now than back then. /shudders
[23:45]  * estan can bet his ass that with 4.2 released, some people will say "nope, not ready yet".. and then some people will take the bait and start going "it will be ready by 4.3"..
[23:45] <estan> and the cycle starts again, it's useless.
[23:45] <alonea> blight_: but some issues might definitely dissapear with the pre-release packages.
[23:46] <Zorix> its been usable since its release of 4.0, just not feature complete as 3.5 yet
[23:46] <blight_> alonea: klipper and such stuff sometimes crash
[23:46] <blight_> and krunner
[23:47] <alonea> blight_: ah, I have never liked that app and wish it dead sometimes. ^_^. I have had a few random crashes from apps. I do have tons of crashes from kate now that I think of it.
[23:47] <astromme-laptop> Now... it does show something that I keep jumping on the developmental releases instead of the stable branches
[23:47] <blight_> i dont have any problems with kate hehe really strange
[23:47] <astromme-laptop> I think that means that a) development moves at a very fast pace and the devs blog about it... so I end up wanting the shinyness
[23:48] <astromme-laptop> and b) up until now I was still yearning for some missing functuality that I had a hard time living without (or had to use kde3 packages for)
[23:48] <alonea> blight_: well, nothing bad really happens unless I open a file from dolphin that loads into it. and the program still works, I just get an error popup
[23:48] <blight_> i really don't like that krunner thing which you get when pressing alt+f2 - it's seriously bugged! if you have the "applications" enabled it will look for apps, and if you type i.e. "konvers" and press "return" very quick then krunner has just parsed "kon", then reacts to "return" too early and runs i.e. konsole
[23:48] <blight_> instead of konversation
[23:48] <astromme-laptop> blight_: I've seen that as well
[23:48] <blight_> yeah its really a bad bug
[23:49] <alonea> blight_: yeah, it gets a bit crazy on me sometimes when I use it.
[23:49] <astromme-laptop> although, with that said, I can't seem to get it to happen with KDE 4.2 RC. Maybe I'm not fast enough
[23:49] <blight_> but i better stop complaining - i could fix it myself if i like but i am too lazy so i shutup   ---   <3 KDE (3.5)  ;-)
[23:50] <dr_willis> I must admit - i normally use GNOME now a days
[23:50] <blight_> thanks for the info, help and tips :)
[23:50] <blight_> dr_willis: there's no "gdevelop" ;)
[23:50] <astromme-laptop> blight_: I'm not saying that you shouldn't =P
[23:50] <alonea> blight_: your welcome.
[23:50] <blight_> gregexpeditor
[23:50] <blight_> gate
[23:50] <blight_> gwrite
[23:50] <blight_> ghexedit
[23:50] <blight_> gcalc
[23:50] <astromme-laptop> blight_: It was and still is a great environment
[23:50] <blight_> oops sorry
[23:50] <blight_> alonea: :)
[23:50] <astromme-laptop> blight_: /agreed
[23:51] <astromme-laptop> I would say I have a few core reasons why I use kde....
[23:51] <blight_> \woot/
[23:51] <Zorix> any news on konversation's kde4 progress?
[23:51] <astromme-laptop> A: kio-slaves. B: Amarok (1.4 and 2.0). C: Dolphin. D: the possibility of linux/win/mac kde E: Qt
[23:51] <faydriss> (if using a single drive, note that Windows 7 requires minimum 16GB). I
[23:52] <faydriss> thats unrea;
[23:52] <astromme-laptop> Speaking of windows 7...
[23:52] <blight_> wow thats two or three times what vista needs isnt it?
[23:52] <Zorix> id like to see them stick windows 7 on a netbook without killing it
[23:52] <astromme-laptop> I tried it on an old laptop of mine. And lo and behold it has the check marks on each file in the file browser... that lets you add/remove from your selection. Sound familiar?
[23:52] <alonea> for some reason, I dislike dolphin...
[23:53] <dr_willis> astromme-laptop,  vista has that feature also. if you enable it.
[23:53] <astromme-laptop> It's exactly what happens in kde4.... so interesting how things change
[23:53] <faydriss> im not a big dolphin phan either
[23:53] <astromme-laptop> dr_willis: Interesting, I did not know. It's now enabled by default, at least on dev builds.
[23:53] <dr_willis> its a 'tablet-pc' feature.
[23:53] <astromme-laptop> I find dolphin clean and usable and free of "cruft"
[23:54] <dr_willis> astromme-laptop,  vista --> tools -> folder options -> enable check box for selection
[23:54] <astromme-laptop> dr_willis: Cool, thanks.
[23:54] <faydriss> how much hard drive does kde use?
[23:54] <astromme-laptop> Windows 7 is really emphasizing the tablet and touch market. That is (imho) a good thing
[23:54] <alonea> but I do say, I am still frustrated from all the missing things from right clicking certain things...like extracting archives and installing debs
[23:55] <astromme-laptop> faydriss: A clean install of Kubuntu takes like 3-4 gigs iirc
[23:55] <alonea> I reallllly want my right click extract all back. badly.
[23:55] <dr_willis>  tablet and touch market - then you realize how FILTHY your hands are... :)
[23:55] <dr_willis> and the screen is constantly  nasty.
[23:55] <astromme-laptop> alonea: I have it... maybe it's new to 4.2?
[23:55] <faydriss> hands are not as gross as money
[23:55] <dr_willis> wife took back her 'touch screen' phone.
[23:56] <dr_willis> she keep hitting the wrong buttons due to her fat phingers. :)
[23:56] <alonea> dr_willis: well, I got a touch pda and its not dirty looking if I use a screen protector
[23:56] <astromme-laptop> dr_willis: Sure, but whatever.. I'll take it for the interface ideas that can be introduced
[23:56] <astromme-laptop> dr_willis: I have a touch + digitizer laptop. The screen does get bad but I just wipe it off with my shirt every day and I'm good to go. I really only notice it in direct sunlight type usage times.
[23:57] <dr_willis> i really really HATE how all these games for my GB-dualScren have these touch pad features..  instead of using  (or using with) the normal analog controlls..
[23:57] <alonea> dr_willis: heh. big fingers can be a problem, though with the newer windows 6.1 updates they got options to make all the buttons bigger. or if you wanna install a custom os...
[23:57] <alonea> astromme-laptop: possibly...I am kinda spazzing without it
[23:58] <astromme-laptop> alonea: I know the feeling
[23:59] <alonea> astromme-laptop: and my touchpad is still kinda insane in intrepid. its gotten slightly better than before, but if I sit in the right way I am constantly having my cursor moved 7-8 spaces from where I was just typing in mid sentence