[00:01] <hggdh> hah! kernel oops on mac80211...
[00:11] <DanaG> I've gone back to the previous kernel, where backlight control actually WORKS.
[00:15] <DanaG> grr.
[01:52] <shadowhywind> hay all, I am currently running intrepid, and want to move up to jaunty, any easy way to update from the console, or do i have to do it from the cd?
[02:10] <RAOF> shadowhywind: The release notes mention it.
[02:11] <RAOF> If you're running GNOME, you can run 'gksudo "update-manager -d"'
[02:11] <RAOF> If you're at a console, "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" will upgrade.
[02:12] <RAOF> There's probably an equivalent for KDE, if that floats your boat.
[02:16] <david__> how do i get firefox on jaunty?
[02:16] <RAOF> It's installed by default?
[02:16] <david__> RAOF: do not see it on here?
[02:16] <RAOF> You're using Ubuntu, not Kubuntu, right?
[02:17] <david__> yes
[02:17] <RAOF> It's not in Applications->Internet->Firefox Web Browser?
[02:17] <david__> all i see is konquerer
[02:17] <shadowhywind> RAOF: what about ext4, only way to update that would be from the cd correct?
[02:18] <RAOF> david__: So, you're using Kubuntu.
[02:18] <RAOF> Which _doesn't_ have firefox installed by default.
[02:18] <RAOF> shadowhywind: No; you can mount your existing ext3 partitons as ext4
[02:18] <david__> yeah i know im asking how to get it?
[02:18] <shadowhywind> ROAF oh nice
[02:19] <RAOF> david__: Right.  So, by going to the software installer app in Kubuntu (which is, I believe, called "adept"), searching for "firefox", and installing it.
[02:19] <RAOF> david__: Incidentally, these questions suggest that Jaunty is unlikely to be useful for you. It *will* break, several times, between here and release.
[02:20] <RAOF> shadowhywind: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4
[02:21] <david__> RAOF: yeah i know it will break im just putting it through its paces
[02:46] <tigerz> My audio card doesn't work after I upgrade to Jaunty, any one can help me?
[03:03] <AppleBoy> anyone know if the jaunty alpha2 supports mobo chipsets based on intel x58 ?
[03:03] <AppleBoy> I need a livecd that can boot on my system, so far others have failed :/
[03:12] <legodude> what's the consensus about jaunty stability?
[03:13] <burner> help!  I lost my sound playback!
[03:14] <burner> i don't get error messages, but I don't hear anything with my Intel 82801H onboard sound :\
[03:15] <x1250> burner, volume is not muted? :) try alsamixer -c 0
[03:15] <burner> all 100%
[03:16] <burner> snd_hda_intel and a lot of other snd_****  are listed in lsmod
[03:19] <burner> i don't know what other information may be relevant or what log files to check from here
[03:20] <x1250> burner, maybe you could try /var/log/daemon, $ dmesg, and /var/log/kern.log
[03:27] <burner> well... thanks x1250.  I hate to say I'm baffled.
[03:27]  * burner shrugs and chalks it up to alpha testing days
[05:56] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716
[06:41] <lucent> something regressed terribly
[06:41] <lucent> anyone else notice that X11 / mouse performance got "weird" lately?
[06:41] <lucent> X11 is hogging 40% CPU and the mouse is super jumpy
[06:44]  * DanaG has had a different regression: backlight control GONE.
[06:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716 -- the "fix" for this issue I did NOT have.... broke backlight control entirely!
[06:46] <lucent> it's an ACPI bug?
[06:47] <DanaG> Different issue than yours.
[06:47] <lucent> maybe, maybe not
[06:47] <lucent> my system starts freaking out when I change the brightness
[06:47] <lucent> it could be an ACPI bug
[06:47] <lucent> I also notice that the brightness applet shoes a ghostbusters when I'm booting up
[06:47] <lucent> (i.e. the NO in NO SMOKING sign)
[07:00] <x1250> lucent, try monitoring with top, maube there is some other process which is using your cpu?
[07:14] <lucent> x1250: nope :(
[07:14] <lucent> x1250: just X11 whoring everything
[07:14] <lucent> I "think" it goes away if I switch from VT to X11 and back again a few times
[07:14] <lucent> that's not exactly scientific of me
[07:15] <lucent> I'm having trouble to think of what the cause might be, or how to report it
[07:17] <x1250> lucent, does this happen with an empty Xorg session? no firefox running, etc, etc.
[07:18] <lucent> well, not empty
[07:18] <lucent> I have a lot of crap on my gnome panel
[07:18] <lucent> I'm going to boot Alpha 3 when it's released and see if there's a problem
[07:18] <lucent> if there's a problem then I'll follow up some more
[07:19] <DanaG> My brightness applet also shows the "cannot get laptop panel brightness"/
[07:19] <DanaG> So it is the same breakage-due-to-supposed-fix.
[07:19] <DanaG> lucent: what video driver?
[07:20] <lucent> DanaG: intel, let me check which one
[07:21] <lucent> ii  xserver-xorg-video-intel                  2:2.5.1-1ubuntu7
[07:24] <x1250> lucent, tried using Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" on Section Device?
[07:25] <x1250> lucent, could you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin?
[07:25] <lucent> x1250: okay, I will try that :)
[07:27] <lucent> "content too big (max 512KB)" from nopaste.com lol @ that
[07:28] <x1250> lucent, paste.ubuntu.com :P
[07:29] <lucent> there's no upload option
[07:29] <lucent> forget that
[07:29] <lucent> brb
[07:29] <x1250> lucent, ok
[07:30]  * DanaG hasn't used Intel video.
[07:30] <DanaG> I just remember that nouveau has been sucky and cpu-devouring each time I've tried it on an old NV17 card I have around here.
[07:36] <lucent> x1250: I have sussed it
[07:36] <lucent> the gnome brightness applet causes the stupid things to happen
[07:36] <lucent> when I remove the gnome brightness applet, then the bad behaviors disappear on next login
[07:36] <x1250> lucent, great :)
[08:18] <x1250> !dailty
[08:19] <x1250> !daily
[08:20] <uniscript> !upgrade
[10:27] <peterz> kde-4.2-rc1 (4.1.96-ubuntu2) doesn't work for me -- plasma instantly crashes
[11:22] <pisi> Hi. I upgraded my 8.10 to jaunty by dist-upgrade and converted the only partition I had to ext4. I was under the impression, that jaunty can now do ext4, including grub2 support. I installed grub2 but in chainload mode  and now I can't boot into ubuntu.
[11:23] <pisi> I have not yet succeeded with reinstalling grub2 with the live cd... any way around it? Or I need an ext3 boot partition _
[11:37] <Tekno> 13:37
[11:43] <pisi> So if there is a way/tutorial on how to install grub2 from live cd would be great. Chrooting into the disk partition from livecd and reinstalling grub-pc currently fails with "cannot find a device for /boot/grub"
[11:50] <histo> Any chat of chromium with the next release at all? They are getting close to 2.0 which will finally get rid of the winHTTP allowing linux compiling finally
[11:51] <histo> As an open source browser if their dev is quick enough I think it should definitely be pushed in ubuntu.
[13:47] <ubuntu> hay all, trying to install jaunty and have a quick question before i do. I was going to give ext4 a spin. But i can't select it from the installer, any ideas?
[13:47] <TheInfinity> ubuntu: you can get it via alternate installer
[13:48] <ubuntu> ah nice, I will switch over to the alternate installer and give that a try, thanks
[13:50] <avis> are we at a point with jaunty where 64 bit should be adoptable (not too problematic for things like flash and other things) with jaunty ?
[13:51] <ikonia> avis: I think so
[13:52] <ikonia> avis: the flashplugin-nonfree package is available
[13:52] <ikonia> avis: but thats still using the 32bit wrapper from what I can see
[13:52] <avis> would you suggest a switch to 64 bit at this point ?
[13:54] <ikonia> depends if it would benifit you, or you want it
[13:54] <fosco_> avis: i use 64bits since hardy with very few problems
[13:55] <avis> ok..  thank you
[13:56] <ikonia> fosco_: i think it's more relevant that this is an alpha release
[13:56] <ikonia> in terms of his question
[13:56] <fosco_> ou, thought he was asking for 32 vs 64 only :)
[13:56] <ikonia> he may have been, just not how I read it
[13:57] <avis> i'm further confused :)  but what the heck, i'll try 64 bit.  :)
[13:57] <ikonia> avis: out of interest how much ram do you have
[13:58] <avis> i have 4gb
[13:58] <ikonia> (not that that's the only factor)
[13:58] <ikonia> yeah, go for it 1
[13:58] <ikonia> !
[13:58] <avis> ok  thank you
[13:58] <ikonia> avis: you'll be fine, you'll find any breakage will most likley be because it's jaunty, not 64bit
[13:59] <avis> tks
[13:59] <ikonia> avis: if you do have any problems shout and we can work out if it's 64bit or jaunty though, but I'd put money on jaunty
[14:00] <fosco_> me too
[14:09] <clusty> hey
[14:10] <clusty> very excited when I heard the news that alpha 3 includes support for ext4
[14:10] <clusty> is it the case?
[14:10] <clusty> wanted to comfirm :D
[14:10] <avis> yes has ext4 support
[14:11] <Pici> But the install will not use it by default.
[14:11] <clusty> Pici, well i usually self pertition my disk
[14:11] <ahz> The package bleachbit has been added to apt over a week ago, but it doesn't show up in the Add/Remove Programs GUI?
[14:11] <clusty> so I can choose i guess?
[14:11] <Pici> clusty: I believe so.
[14:47] <fffaio> uhm, i heard someone mention that in jaunty ext4 support was only available in the alternate installer at this point, though, it didn't gave that option at all in the manual partitioner (for amd64).  any ideas?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> That should be in the alternate cd, not desktop cd
[14:48] <fffaio> thats what i installed from.  the alternate cd, for amd64, had no ext4 option
[14:48] <fffaio> actually i didn't install.  i wanted to ask first
[14:49] <TheInfinity> fffaio: its only in latest builds, afaik not in alpha4 - sorry forgot to say this ;)
[14:49] <fffaio> i'm pretty darned sure my eyes aren't failing me either.  i looked over that page pretty well
[14:49] <TheInfinity> *alpha2
[14:49] <TheInfinity> latest -> daily build
[14:49] <fffaio> ooh.  latest builds.  ok.  how do i get a hold of one of those ?
[14:49] <TheInfinity> !daily
[14:50] <fffaio> thank you
[15:21] <legodude> any comments on jaunty stability?
[15:21] <shadowhywind> Hi all, I am trying to install jaunty with ext4 , however during the install I can not select ext4 any ideas how to get ext4?
[15:22] <legodude> what version of jaunty are you using?
[15:22] <legodude> alpha1 or nightly?
[15:22] <shadowhywind> alpha 2
[15:23] <shadowhywind> from an iso
[15:23] <hggdh> I think ext4 is available on alpha3
[15:23] <CarlFK1> I am trying to use a jaunty kernel with ibex (mainly to see if it fixes https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317227
[15:23] <shadowhywind> is there a alpha 3 release yet?
[15:24] <CarlFK1> but now nvidia won't load, and the ibex nv driver dosn't support my card
[15:24] <CarlFK1> (WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0531 (GeForce 7150M) at 00@00:12:0
[15:24] <legodude> shadowhywind: does alpha2 kernel support ext4?
[15:25] <legodude> I also believe that you can later convert ext3 to ext4
[15:25] <shadowhywind> legodude: I have no idea
[15:25] <hggdh> shadowhywind, we are getting ready to put it out
[15:25] <CarlFK1> what's the name of the xorg package that contains the open nv drivr?
[15:25] <legodude> alpha2 is from 19th, ext4 is from 24th
[15:26] <hggdh> and there are already images available for alpha3, for tests: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[15:26] <legodude> CarlFK1: xserver-xorg-driver-nv
[15:27] <shadowhywind> I just found the alpha3 cd , for somereason it hasn't been posted on kubuntu's website
[15:27] <hggdh> it is not yet a final image, shadowhywind
[15:27] <shadowhywind> hggdh dang...
[15:27] <hggdh> heh
[15:28] <hggdh> but testers are welcome -- see the link I posted above
[15:28] <CarlFK1> legodude: thanks.
[15:28] <hggdh> of course, the usual disclaimer applies... this can break, and break bad
[15:28] <legodude> hggdh: how stable is current alpha?
[15:28] <shadowhywind> hggdh that i know.. amd64 user here as well.. hehe so i get double screwed
[15:28] <hggdh> well... I have been running jaunty since beginning. Lately it is pretty much stable
[15:29] <legodude> any major show stoppers?
[15:29] <legodude> I couldn't get nv/nvidia to work with jaunty on my nvidia machine, but this laptop is intel
[15:29] <hggdh> yes: if you use encrypted root, there is/was an open bug on that: grub would not work
[15:29] <legodude> not a problem for me
[15:30] <legodude> maybe I'll image this drive first then try and upgrade
[15:30] <hggdh> image it and boot from CD; install on a virtual machine
[15:30] <legodude> no CD, VM won't do anything for my hardware problems
[15:30] <hggdh> also, from yesterday on I am getting kernel oops on wireless
[15:31] <legodude> what wireless?
[15:31] <hggdh> b43
[15:31] <legodude> device drivers or general wireless?
[15:31] <legodude> ah
[15:31] <hggdh> in the mac80211 kernel module
[15:31] <legodude> my iwlagn is borked on 8.10
[15:31] <legodude> ugh
[15:31] <hggdh> so I am not sure it is related to b43 or not
[15:31] <legodude> I believe that is a common module
[15:31] <legodude> so I'm gonna wait for sure
[15:32] <legodude> don't want to trade wireless problems for bigger wireless problems
[15:32] <shadowhywind> arn't most wireless problems "big" problems.. hehe
[15:33] <hggdh> shadowhywind, I am also running on AMD64
[15:33] <legodude> shadowhywind: right now it kinda works
[15:33] <legodude> whereas before it would panic
[15:34] <hggdh> well, *I* am running it. And, as I said, have been since the beginning, but being extremely careful on updates, cherry-picking them a few at a time
[15:35] <hggdh> and maintaining .deb from previous versions, so that I could downgrade (which I did a few times)
[15:35] <legodude> yeah I don;t have time for such shenanigans
[15:47] <apokalyp1> hmm no support eh
[15:48] <apokalyp1> can i discuss something crapping out still? :>
[15:49] <apokalyp1> udev keeps renaming my ethernet devices from something sensible (eth0-2) to something retarded (eth3-5)
[15:51] <apokalyp1> does it read from /etc/udev/rules.d or /lib/udev/rules.d
[15:57] <Raffaele> ciao
[15:57] <apokalyp1> hello
[15:57] <Raffaele> hi
[15:57] <Raffaele> sorry
[15:57] <Raffaele> I'm italian
[15:58] <Raffaele> I wanted to ask when left alpha 3?
[16:00] <apokalyp1> i'm not sure when alpha3 is due to be released
[16:02] <Raffaele> ok thanks the same
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Raffaele: Probably be tomorrow now. It is in testing today
[16:05] <Raffaele> mmm ... ok thanks, maybe it's because of time zone because here in Italy had to leave today.
[16:09] <apokalyp1> is there any way to disable udev from generating ethernet names?
[16:09] <charlie-tca> It was due on 01-15-2009, but got moved to 01-16-2009
[16:09] <charlie-tca> apokalyp1: not that I know of, but I am not that familiar with it. Maybe someone else?
[16:10]  * apokalyp1 pokes #ubuntu+1 with a pointy stick
[16:10]  * hggdh jumps
[16:10] <hggdh> apokalyp1, I just noticed the same
[16:10] <hggdh> and no, I do not know what causes. I am guessing udev
[16:10] <apokalyp1> something keeps modifying my old /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[16:10] <hggdh> so probably the udev log would have something on it
[16:12] <apokalyp1> messages tells me its renaming interfaces ,but not why
[16:12] <hggdh> hum
[16:12] <hggdh> on my side, latest change on 70-... was on Jan 11
[16:12] <apokalyp1> udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth5
[16:12] <apokalyp1> (on boot obviously)
[16:13] <hggdh> and I got 5 identical entries there
[16:13] <CarlFK1> should an apt-get install (something) be allowed to drop my network connection?
[16:13] <CarlFK1> cuz I did that over ssh, and it looks like it dropped it:  * Restarting Hardware abstraction layer hald                            [ OK ]
[16:13] <apokalyp1> CarlFK1: i noticed that my ethernet dies when nvidia is updating
[16:14] <apokalyp1> hggdh: im gonna try renaming my 70-persistent-net to be greater than 75-persistent-net-generator
[16:14] <CarlFK1> i had just given up on nvidia...
[16:14] <apokalyp1> but i dont want to risk rebooting not being near my server, in case it gives out
[16:14] <hggdh> apokalyp1, heh. be careful. Be near the server ;-)
[16:14] <apokalyp1> yah
[16:15] <hggdh> right now I am building evolution trunk, and cannot test it
[16:15] <CarlFK1> i am at a prompt on the local box - how do tell apt to continue/redo what it was doing?
[16:15] <apokalyp1> i gotta find the right video resolution too, since the screen size is being cut off
[16:15] <Pici> CarlFK1: Whats it asking?
[16:15] <apokalyp1> dpkg --configure -a
[16:16] <apokalyp1> should restart it
[16:16] <apokalyp1> but you might wanna double check, heh
[16:16] <apokalyp1> my intrepid->jaunty died a couple times (upgrading over ssh) and i had to run that command
[16:17] <CarlFK1> dpkg --configure -a - just returned to a prompt
[16:17] <CarlFK1> Pici: the previous run stopped at: * Restarting Hardware abstraction layer hald
[16:17] <CarlFK1> ifconfig eth0 = no IP
[16:18] <apokalyp1> just run ifconfig, see if your devices were renamed heh
[16:18] <Pici> CarlFK1: If it dropped you to a shell prompt, I'd say that it was done.
[16:19] <CarlFK1> Pici: it didn't drop me to a shell, it dropped my ssh connection
[16:20] <CarlFK1> but it's possible that Restarting...hald was the last thing it needed to do
[16:20] <CarlFK1> ill reboot and see if everything is in place...
[16:20] <Pici> CarlFK1: if dpkg --configure -a   didn't do anything, then there probably wasn't anything left to do.
[16:22] <DanaG> I just removed my persuistent-net file.
[16:22] <DanaG> Or rather, edited it so the duplicates all number the same.
[16:22] <DanaG> Handy hint: run remote upgrades in "screen"/
[16:24] <Pici> s/upgrades//
[16:27] <apokalyp1> Local Headlines                     	                                      It's Cold
[16:28] <SuperLag> So, what do you guys think of Jaunty? anything noteworthy?
[16:28] <apokalyp1> i'll tell you if my onboard gforce 9400 and audio over hdmi work nicely :>
[16:28] <hggdh> interesting. My /etc/udev/rules.d is missing *most* of the default rules...
[16:29] <apokalyp1> hggdh: yeah, it looks like /lib/udev/rules.d is the new home
[16:31] <hggdh> darn... looked at the package file list, and did not notice the directories
[16:31] <hggdh> still.
[16:36] <apokalyp1> if you look at the 70-persistent-net.rules it will probably have duplicate entries
[16:36] <apokalyp1> but with different names
[16:48] <hggdh> I deleted them all, and restarted udev
[16:49] <apokalyp1> and?
[16:49] <apokalyp1> did it work?
[16:49] <hggdh> now my 70-persistent-net has 3 entries: wlan0, eth7 for the bcm4312, and eth8 for the asix
[16:49] <hggdh> no, it did not
[16:50] <apokalyp1> yeah, thats what it was doing..incrementing
[16:50] <miik> when is alpha3 come?
[16:50] <miik> its supposed be today
[16:50] <miik> i dont see it
[16:50] <SuperLag> *sigh* sloooooow.....
[16:50] <SuperLag> :)
[16:51] <hggdh> miik, probably tomorrow
[16:51] <apokalyp1> miik: tomorrow
[16:51] <miik> aff
[16:51] <hggdh> uff
[16:51] <miik> its jan15, i been eagerly waiting!!
[16:51] <apokalyp1> rah
[16:51] <SuperLag> At this rate, I'll have the .iso in.... 30 days? :)
[16:51] <apokalyp1> well now its jan 16
[16:51] <miik> its delayed always :(
[16:51] <miik> wow, you're in the future!!
[16:51] <miik> for me is jan15
[16:51] <SuperLag> the servers must be getting hammered
[16:51] <miik> yaeh, that would make them superlagged
[16:51] <SuperLag> 2K/s
[16:52] <apokalyp1> hggdh: http://www.shallowsky.com/blog/linux/gutsy-persistent-net.html
[16:52] <miik> wow, that sucks, 2k/s i downloaded that on my 28.8k, like 15 years ago
[16:52] <apokalyp1> could just delete it ;x
[16:52] <miik> i download porno today at 1,1 megabyte/s
[16:52] <miik> on my 100 mbit/s connection
[16:52] <hggdh> apokalyp1, thanks, will read it in a few -- gotta go out & buy lunch. BRB
[16:53] <apokalyp1> k
[16:53] <SuperLag> I thought about trying a torrent, but I think I'd get a not-so-nice visit from someone in the IT dept :)
[17:05] <apokalyp1> hggdh: i think i found it
[17:05] <apokalyp1> /lib/udev/write_net_rules compares ATTR{address} and /etc/udev/rules.d/70.... has ATTRS{address}
[17:06] <apokalyp1> if you can rename your ATTRS->ATTR in /etc/.. and test it that'd be super
[17:09] <hggdh> will look at it
[17:12] <apokalyp1> thx
[17:15] <apokalyp1> i should have inspected the newly generated entries before canning them :/
[17:17] <hggdh> will try now a reboot
[17:18] <hggdh> brb
[17:19]  * apokalyp1 crosses fingers
[17:22] <shadowhywind> and jaunty is now fully installed
[17:24] <apokalyp1> are your ethernet interfaces renaming themselves?
[17:24] <apokalyp1> works?
[17:24] <shadowhywind> at this moment in time they are the same name as in intrepid
[17:25] <shadowhywind> Quassel IRC program is very odd... i like konversation better
[17:27] <hggdh> apokalyp1, after renaming the interfaces on 70-persistent-net and rebooting, I am back to wlan0 and eth0
[17:27] <apokalyp1> awesome :)
[17:28] <apokalyp1> should that be submitted as a patch or something to rename those upon upgrading?
[17:29] <hggdh> I am not sure... I am guessing that deleting the 70-persistent-net.rules & rebooting should do the trick
[17:29] <hggdh> but a bug reporting it would be good
[17:30] <hggdh> without rebooting, even renaming them & 'sudo invoke-rc.d udev restart' did not do the trick
[17:32] <hggdh> I will test, later on, deleting 70-persistent.rules & rebooting
[17:35] <apokalyp1> are you registered on launchpad?
[17:39] <hggdh> yes I am
[17:42] <avis> i'm getting cannot resolve errors when trying to do a sudo apt-get update i've tried switching servers, even tried disabling ufw, can't figure  it out.  somehow, web traffic, works though.
[17:42] <apokalyp1> well depending on that other attempt feel free to file a fix ;D
[17:43] <Pici> avis: In Jaunty?
[17:43] <avis> surely others out there, can install pacakges though.  i cannot even install any packages.  or update my system
[17:44] <avis> yes in todays daily desktop build
[17:44] <avis> i really can't figure it out :(  i have web traffic just fine.
[17:45] <apokalyp1> can you pastebin it ?
[17:45] <avis> i tried to have it find the best server, and it seems to not be able to select any of them.
[17:45] <Pici> avis: Which mirror are you using?
[17:45] <avis> sure what would you like me to pastebin ?  what file ?
[17:45] <avis> the main ubuntu mirror for example Pici
[17:45] <avis> the default mirror
[17:47] <Pici> avis: Can you browse to it in a browser?
[17:47] <avis> i thought it might be a firewall setting, and couldn't find any obvious reference to such a thing.  its literally a fresh install.  wont allow a update on the default server, wont even allow to find the best update server either, its like the apt-get update functions just aren't working, though web traffic is.  pigdin wouldn't work either.  but firefox would.
[17:47] <avis> yes output of what file pici or you mean the sudo apt-get update error message ?
[17:48] <Pici> avis: I mean open http://archive.ubuntu.com in firefox, does it work?
[17:48] <avis> that sure does
[17:49] <Pici> avis: Please paste the output of apt-get update then
[17:49] <avis> yes.  the sudo apt-get update error messaage is failed to fetch http://  could not resoluve 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[17:50] <avis> i will pastebin the entire output one second
[17:54] <avis> http://pastebin.ca/1309322
[17:55] <Andre_Gondim> I can't send a bug cause there is a problem with apport
[17:55] <avis> pigdin's irc function isn't working either, oddly.
[17:56] <avis> you can report a bug manually at launchpad outside of apport, Andre_Gondim
[17:57] <Pici> avis: Does `dig security.ubuntu.com` return anything?
[17:58] <avis> it sure does, i however, do not understand it
[17:58] <apokalyp1> can you ping security.ubuntu.com
[17:58] <apokalyp1> or 'host security.ubuntu.com' does it say it has an ip address?
[17:58] <avis> id 13276 amd 103 msec ping time
[17:59] <avis> i can ping it.  its going to auckland.canonical.com
[17:59] <avis> let me try the host command
[18:00] <Pici> I'd normally ask you to look into your proxy settings, but those should be fine since its a fresh install.
[18:00] <avis> host indeed returns security.ubuntu.com's ip address
[18:00] <avis> yes its a fresh install alright.
[18:00] <avis> i could check the proxy settings anyway, in case of a misconfiguration in packaging
[18:01] <apokalyp1> try using a local mirror?
[18:01] <avis> proxy says direct internet connection
[18:02] <avis> oddly it wont allow any mirror at all, can't choose any, can't even let it find the best server either,  will return an error
[18:02] <avis> i dont have a repository here at home or anything i just tried it out today
[18:02] <apokalyp1> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:02] <apokalyp1> and do a replace/
[18:02] <apokalyp1> ?
[18:02] <avis> replace what for what ?
[18:02] <apokalyp1> sec
[18:05] <SuperLag> Is Torrent going any faster than a straight HTTP download from the mirrors? (for the Jaunty a2 image)
[18:06] <avis> this is the default /etc/apt/sources.list it gave me.  oddly, it looks very normal http://www.pastebin.ca/1309334
[18:06] <apokalyp1> you can replace archive.ubuntu.com with something located on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors that suits your area
[18:06] <apokalyp1> im not sure if you can replace security. though
[18:07] <avis> i will try that.  its worth a shot.
[18:07] <apokalyp1> yeah
[18:07] <apokalyp1> they should have jaunty-security
[18:07] <apokalyp1> at least this will tell you if your apt is broken or not
[18:11] <shadowhywind> hay all question, some of the menus on the taskbar open but do not display anything, any ideas?
[18:17] <legodude> how do I view the changes associated with a new version of a package?
[18:17] <legodude> I've tried aptitude, but it doesn't seem to honor my other repos?
[18:19] <Pici> legodude: I have apt-listchanges installed, this requires me to review the changelogs before I update any packages.
[18:19] <Pici> !info apt-listchanges
[18:20] <legodude> Pici: dumb question, how do you use it?
[18:20] <legodude> I tried it also and it just seemed to hang?
[18:21] <Pici> legodude: It automatically comes up after doing apt-get updats.  It may also come up for update-manager, but I don't use that tool.
[18:21] <Pici> s/updats/upgrades/
[18:21] <legodude> so you do a apt-get upgrade and it pops up?
[18:22] <Pici> Yes. After downloading the packages though.
[18:22] <legodude> ugh
[18:24] <legodude> I want something where I can put in a package name and check it out
[18:25] <Pici> legodude: You can use launchpad for that, i.e: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash
[18:27] <legodude> also grrr
[18:27] <Pici> It wouldn't be too hard to whip up a script to pull that info down.  I'm not sure if launchpadlib has support for getting that information yet though.
[18:28] <miik> plz alpha3 plz!!
[18:28] <miik> why no alpha3?? :(
[18:30] <Pici> miik: Because the isos actually need to be tested before they are released.
[18:42] <avis> what package contains the apt-get function ?  i'd like to try and revert to a older apt-get, since other people, have no trouble, my sources.list is actually just fine.  pinging the internet works.  firefox works.  not sure what to do.
[18:42] <apokalyp1> !info apt
[18:43] <avis> simply, apt.  got it.  thank you
[18:43] <toresbe> avis: FYI, you can search for package name based on content by using packages.ubuntu.com
[18:47] <avis> ooh ty
[18:47] <avis> am i the only one that seems to have this problem ?
[18:47] <apokalyp1> the irc logs aren't searchable are they?
[18:48] <avis> indeed they are.  i didn't think it would be a problem if i asked
[18:48] <apokalyp1> no, sorry that wasn't pointed at you
[18:49] <apokalyp1> this is the 4th hour i've been in here and i was looking for an easy way to search for my udev issue
[18:49] <apokalyp1> instead of viewing each page :/
[18:50] <avis> oh ?  i use xchat so the search function is easy for me, for the duration of he logged in irc session, else i have to go to a terminal and use grep
[18:50] <apokalyp1> was referring to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com :p
[18:51] <avis> was just trying to be helpful.  see you all later
[18:52] <apokalyp1> did you get apt working?
[18:53] <apokalyp1> did it resolve the mirror?
[19:15] <avis> nope it sure did not.  i'm actually jumping ship and trying out amd64.  that was my original intent, to switch with jaunty to 64 bit, but now that i'm having this issue, i'm triyng out the daily build of the alternatve cd of amd64, and with fingers crossed, hoping that'll update just fine.
[19:19] <avis> is intrepid's medibuntu repsostory acceptable for jaunty ?
[19:25] <astromme-laptop> avis: kde or gnome?
[19:26] <astromme-laptop> avis: With kde the most recent build might have some issues with plasmoids... the updates today should have cleared that all up. So, if you get no plasma.... alt-f2, start konsole, and uprade
[19:28] <avis-> i owe the channel an apology.  my problem with sudo apt-get update is related to my router not refreshing the fact that i dropped opendns dns servers, it needed a reboot for to drop opendns, which was keeping me from being able to update.  problem was actually my router, definitely not jaunty.  i'm sorry for putting ya'll through the trouble
[19:29] <Pici> avis-: Its good to know anyone if someone else runs into the problem.
[19:32] <avis-> thats just it.  it wasn't jaunty..  it was my router inability to drop opendns without a reboot :(  but i appologlze and thank you all for the help, just the same
[19:35] <apokalyp1> no worries
[20:43] <miik> when alpha3?
[20:43] <fosco_> comming soon
[20:44] <miik> it jan15, i dont see it
[20:44] <TheInfinity> its ready when its done.
[20:44] <charlie-tca> delayed at least 24 hours
[20:49] <miik> :(
[20:49] <miik> its always delayed
[20:50] <fosco_> well, join the develop team and speed up the process :-)
[20:50] <hggdh> better delayed than bad
[20:51] <TheInfinity> miik: if you just upgrade your alpha2 installation you already have an alpha 3
[20:52] <miik> but i wanna see news for whats in alpha3
[20:57] <scizzo-> miik: don't be in a hurry
[20:58] <scizzo-> miik: the changes will be up on website.....www.ubuntu.com/testing
[20:59] <miik> ya
[21:24] <shadowhywind> hay has anyone else ran into a problem of random hard-lockups
[21:24] <BUGabundo> shadowhywind: not yet
[21:25] <shadowhywind> interesting.. might have been what i was doing then...
[21:25] <BUGabundo> unless you count the NM-applet locks when it asks for keychain password and you deny it
[21:25] <BUGabundo> shadowhywind: can you reproduce it?
[21:26] <shadowhywind> will try again in a few, I just installed so i have been doing alot in synaptic (not sure if it was that or not)
[21:32] <shadowhywind> ok running into one other issue, i was in the middle of a install when it froze last time. now i can't get postfix installed, any idea?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> shadowhywind: how much disc free?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> run a df -h
[21:38] <shadowhywind> 6.7 gigs
[21:38] <scizzo-> why not say the error you get when trying to install it?
[21:39] <shadowhywind> sorry, i should have posted that. here is the error
[21:39] <shadowhywind> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error
[21:39] <shadowhywind> d
[21:39] <shadowhywind> *grumble* sorry, didn't mean for that to send 3 lines
[21:41] <shadowhywind> hehe nevermind i got it to install
[22:31] <Melik> when is release date for alpha 3?
[22:32] <RyeBrye> does the nvidia 180.22 driver work with alpha 2?
[22:32] <andersk> Yes, but you need to set Option "IgnoreABI" "True" in the ServerFlags section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[22:33] <RyeBrye> thanks
[22:33] <Melik> andersk,
[22:34] <Melik> if i dont have that option, should i go ahead and create it?
[22:34] <RyeBrye> I created that entire section and it just worked
[22:34] <andersk> Well, the nvidia driver would fail to load without it.
[22:34] <RyeBrye> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1020248.html just copy and paste the "Section ServerFlags" part into the xorg.conf
[22:35] <andersk> Oh.  Yes, create that section if you don't have it.
[22:37] <RAOF> andersk: That's not actually true.
[22:37] <RAOF> At least, not anymore.
[22:38] <RyeBrye> RAOF? the ignoreABI?
[22:38] <apokalyp1> you can startx -- -ignoreABI
[22:38] <RAOF> The version of the nvidia-glx-180 driver (180.22) that's currently in the archives officially supports our X server.  You can install it using the hardware drivers manager, or however else you would normally install drivers.
[22:38] <RyeBrye> RAOF- on mine it was the case. my system is updated to the latest jaunty packages and I had to edit that
[22:38] <RAOF> RyeBrye: Yes.
[22:38] <apokalyp1> i know i have 180.18 installed
[22:38] <apokalyp1> and it needs the ignoreABI
[22:39] <Melik> RAOF, i have the new 180.22 drivers
[22:39] <Melik> and a Nvidia GeForce 6100 nForce 405 card
[22:39] <Melik> but it cant read it
[22:39] <RAOF> By "can't read it", what do you mean?
[22:40] <Melik> ugh, i go to system > administration > hardware drivers
[22:40] <Melik> and it says "No propitiatory hardware drivers are in use in this system."
[22:40] <RAOF> Have you manually installed the drivers from nvidia.com or somesuch?
[22:41] <apokalyp1> Melik: run nvidia-xconfig
[22:41] <apokalyp1> and it'll edit your xorg.conf
[22:41] <apokalyp1> and then it magically works ;)
[22:41] <Melik> RAOF,  i have, but later removed it and installed through the repositories
[22:41] <Melik> apokalyp1,  i've run that
[22:41] <apokalyp1> i had the same problem with 180.xx not showing up
[22:41] <RyeBrye> anyone here know anythign about the rt2860 wireless card and the status of it in the latest jaunty alpha?
[22:41] <apokalyp1> even after using the module - you can check in Xorg log
[22:42] <RAOF> You'd need to have nvidia-glx-180-modaliases package installed, I believe, but that should be installed by default.
[22:42] <apokalyp1> actually come to think of it, i had to install that separately
[22:42] <Melik> ahhh
[22:42] <Melik> yeah i dont have that
[22:43] <RAOF> Then you don't have nvidia-common installed; install it, and Hardware Drivers should pick it up.
[22:43] <RAOF> (The modaliases data is what Hardware Drivers uses to map between the hardware ID of your card, and the drivers that can make it go)
[22:44] <Melik> okay i got all the modelaliases and nvidia-common
[22:44] <Melik> is a restart needed?
[22:44] <avis> both banshee and rhythmbox are not working at the moment in jaunty.  it wont let me file a bug report either.
[22:45] <RAOF> Melik: I don't think so, no.
[22:45] <Melik> still no propitiatory drivers found
[22:45] <Melik> :/
[22:46] <dtchen> avis: rhythmbox at least works fine here. what's the issue?
[22:47] <Melik> I'll brb
[22:48] <avis> i get this error Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[22:48] <avis> Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[22:48] <avis> Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[22:48] <avis> Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[22:48] <avis> Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[22:48] <avis> i'm so sorry
[22:48] <avis> i thought i only did that once
[22:48] <avis> that was a mistake.  i meant to only do that once
[22:48] <tritium> avis: careful, you've already been banned in #ubuntu for spamming
[22:49] <dtchen> avis: is it reproducible with a fresh user?
[22:49] <avis> spamming ?  what did i spam tritium ?  i'd like to know what i did that was wrong ?
[22:49] <RyeBrye> pastebin
[22:50] <tritium> avis: no, my bad, wrong nick
[22:52] <avis> anyone know of something i can use in jaunty that'll let me rip a cd and place it neatly in my ~/Music folder, something that fetches song tracks ?  rhythmbox gives me that error. and i have no idea how to approch fixing it outside of waiting for an updated package
[22:54] <dtchen> avis: sound-juicer already does.
[22:54] <avis> quite oddly, every single sound application seems to return that error for me :(
[22:54] <avis> sound juicer.  i'll try that :)  thanks
[22:54] <dtchen> avis: Applications> Sound & Video> Audio CD Ripper
[22:54] <dtchen> Audio CD Extractor*
[22:56] <avis> audio cd extractor is missing for me.  there was some fuss about jaunty wanting to remove some packages to satisfy dependencies.  i'll apt-cache search that though
[22:57] <dtchen> avis: that's the sound-juicer package
[22:57] <avis> yes i see it.  ty
[22:58] <avis> hmm. thats crashes as soon as i run it too :(  sending a bug report
[23:02] <RAOF> Sorry people, I was mistaken.  You _do_ still need IgnoreABI for nvidia-glx-180 to work.  I was confused by suspend/resume working so well!
[23:03] <dtchen> RAOF: heh, i was just going to say that it's still required
[23:04] <dtchen> particularly since i've pinned xserver-xorg{,-core,-input-{synaptics,evdev}} for that reason
[23:04] <dtchen> otherwise you get extremely erratic behaviour on certain window managers and, say, firefox-3.*
[23:05] <td123> just asking.. is alpha 3 postponed?
[23:05] <RAOF> dtchen: Yeah.  The IgnoreABI experience is hardly flawless :)
[23:06] <td123> ty
[23:15] <Melik> dpkg-divert: error checking `/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so': No such file or directory
[23:15] <Melik> dpkg: error processing nvidia-glx-96 (--remove):
[23:15] <Melik> what does this mean :/
[23:15] <Melik> i cant remove the glx-96 to install glx-180 :/
[23:19] <Melik> nvm i fixed it
[23:20] <raevol> is there a good place to get news/infos on jaunty development?
[23:22] <fosco_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope
[23:23] <raevol> cool thanks
[23:28] <melik> guys :/ i just lost my xorg, what are the names of the packages i need to run it?
[23:39] <Melik> RAOF,
[23:42] <brk3> hi, please can someone help.. ive just installed one or two jaunty packages and i think it upgraded some important packages like udev or libc in the process. now my X server wont respond to mouse keyboard input
[23:42] <brk3> is there a way i can downgrade to the way it was before?
[23:44] <brk3> !1
[23:46] <Melik> damn this sucks, ive installed nvidia-common, nvidia-glx-180, all the modelaliases.. and it still won't show up in hardware drivers
[23:49] <brk3> what is the line to add to apt to upgrade to jaunty..
[23:49] <tretle> update-manager -d
[23:49] <tretle> alt f2
[23:52] <brk3> ok, one last question.. what would be a good permission saving command to back up my home dir
[23:53] <fosco_> cp -aR