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| didrocks | hi everyone | 09:08 |
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| seb128 | lut didrocks | 09:08 |
| huats | hello seb128 | 09:09 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:09 |
| didrocks | hello seb128 (huats, déjà dit bonjour 3 fois sur d'autres chans, alors ça va ;)) | 09:09 |
| huats | :) | 09:10 |
| huats | same here ;) | 09:10 |
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| kwwii | Keybuk: hey, quick question...do you think there is any good reason to keep shipping a 640x480 usplash pic? | 11:27 |
| asac | seb128: why would gconf want to talk to orbit? | 13:41 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/105154/ | 13:41 |
| seb128 | asac: because it's using it for communication? | 13:42 |
| asac | seb128: ok. is there a way to make gconf not use that (for testing purpose)? | 13:43 |
| seb128 | not that I know no | 13:43 |
| asac | seb128: i have some issues with unit tests that use gconf ... and running them not in a desktop session | 13:44 |
| asac | does gnome have unit tests? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | not a lot | 13:44 |
| asac | e.g. make check | 13:44 |
| asac | ok | 13:44 |
| seb128 | some of the pygobject, pygtk, pygnome, etc have but that's about it | 13:45 |
| seb128 | and glib, gtk | 13:45 |
| asac | seb128: orbit seems not to be a daemon. is that provided by some other server? | 13:45 |
| asac | or is that P2P'ish ;)? .e.g. no central instance required | 13:45 |
| seb128 | asac: there is no daemon afaik, you get a /tmp/orbit-user directory and sockets there | 13:47 |
| asac | seb128: which process provides that? | 13:48 |
| asac | gdm? | 13:48 |
| asac | or is that just a mkdir ... and then if you have a corba server it puts its info in there? | 13:48 |
| seb128 | asac: I don't really know how it works, I think liborbit2 does the work | 13:49 |
| asac | seb128: yeah. so how is gconfd started? auto activation of orbit? | 13:49 |
| asac | or no clue ;)? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | gconfd is a dbus service | 13:50 |
| asac | then why does gconf need orbit? ;) | 13:50 |
| seb128 | it uses it as a communication bus | 13:50 |
| seb128 | to communicate between clients and the gconf server | 13:51 |
| asac | why doesnt it use dbus for that if its a dbus service? | 13:51 |
| seb128 | there is a dbus port for maemo but that didn't go to GNOME yet | 13:51 |
| seb128 | because doing dbus activation was easy | 13:51 |
| seb128 | but rewritting all the communication code is not | 13:51 |
| seb128 | so they didn't do that yet | 13:51 |
| asac | ok. so dbus only does activation. orbit does communication (legacy) | 13:51 |
| asac | understood | 13:51 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:52 |
| asac | lets see if that helps ;) | 13:52 |
| seb128 | your issue might just be that the gconfd server doesn't get started if you have no dbus session bus | 13:52 |
| seb128 | asac: bug #285937 | 13:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 285937 in gconf "gconftool-2 in Intrepid not working from cron" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285937 | 13:53 |
| seb128 | asac: that has a similar issue and a workaround described | 13:53 |
| seb128 | asac: try using dbus-launch to run your testsuite maybe and see if that makes a difference? | 13:54 |
| asac | seb128: funny thing is that gconftool-2 works | 13:54 |
| asac | though maybe its just that i dont have write permission | 13:54 |
| seb128 | if gconftool-2 works that means that the gconfd server is running and that client-server communication works | 13:55 |
| seb128 | could be that your environment is unset by the testsuite or something? | 13:55 |
| asac | yes. but it spits out the above error on setting a char | 13:55 |
| seb128 | ie DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS not being correctly set | 13:55 |
| asac | let me check something | 13:56 |
| asac | env | grep -E '(ORBIT|DBUS)' | 13:57 |
| asac | -> nothing | 13:57 |
| asac | but gconftool -R /system | 13:57 |
| asac | dumps content | 13:57 |
| asac | anyway thanks. | 13:58 |
| asac | will do something else for now | 13:58 |
| seb128 | the dbus session variable is only required when the server is not running to spawn it | 14:00 |
| seb128 | not sure about the orbit one | 14:00 |
| crevette | (I didn't read the backlog) I used to launch application requiring gconf like dbus-launcher $myapp | 14:07 |
| crevette | seb128, hey, you don't plan to ship the new gdm for jaunty I guess? did you test it again, I remember you found several showstoppers. | 14:17 |
| seb128 | crevette: no and no | 14:17 |
| seb128 | we will have it in universe as gdm-new or something | 14:17 |
| seb128 | but we don't plan to switch to it by default before getting mirco's browser ready which is not for this cycle | 14:18 |
| seb128 | crevette: why? | 14:18 |
| crevette | just to know | 14:18 |
| seb128 | it doesn't bring anything really useful and reduce the number of settings and option | 14:19 |
| seb128 | ie that's a no win for users | 14:19 |
| seb128 | and we already got too many of those "GNOME is dropping things user rely on for no good reason" | 14:19 |
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| crevette | asac, did you see the line I posted earlier ? | 14:24 |
| asac | crevette: let me check | 14:26 |
| asac | i dont know whats up with this. i think restarting dbus worked | 14:54 |
| asac | and helped without doing anything else | 14:54 |
| * Tm_T is starting to hate dbus | 14:54 | |
| pochu | asac: hi :) can you approve the intrepid task in bug 295490, so that the bug appears in the SRU team page? | 14:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 295490 in liferea "Liferea doesn't start with "Aborted" error." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/295490 | 14:57 |
| seb128 | pochu: you just need to subsribe ubuntu-sru for that no? | 14:59 |
| pochu | seb128: the status is fix released, so I don't think it will appear in their bug list right now | 15:01 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 15:01 |
| seb128 | mvo: could compiz stop switching workspace when clicking on a border? ;-) | 15:06 |
| seb128 | or viewport or whatever those are called | 15:06 |
| Nafallo | seb128: hmm... I have this totem/compiz bug again :-) | 15:07 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: which one? | 15:07 |
| Nafallo | seb128: trying to find it :-) | 15:08 |
| Nafallo | bug 283592 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283592 in totem "bacon_video_widget_set_fullscreen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283592 | 15:08 |
| Nafallo | seb128: should I do the workaround or would you like some debugging? :-) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | looking | 15:09 |
| Nafallo | ta :-) | 15:09 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: can you run | 15:12 |
| seb128 | gdb totem | 15:12 |
| seb128 | run --g-fatal-warnings | 15:12 |
| seb128 | thread apply all bt full | 15:12 |
| seb128 | and copy the stacktrace on the bug? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | bonus point if you have the corresponding debug versions installed ;-) | 15:12 |
| Nafallo | hehe. yea. didn't. are those somewhere easy to find those days? :-) | 15:13 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: seems similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563080 | 15:14 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 563080 in Movie player "Totem stuck in fullscreen mode" [Normal,Needinfo] | 15:14 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: sudo apt-get install totem-dbg libglib2.0-0-dbg libgtk2.0-0-dbg | 15:14 |
| asac | pochu: thats a dejavu bug? | 15:14 |
| asac | didnt we fix exact the same issue in hardy? | 15:14 |
| pochu | asac: jaunty, yes | 15:15 |
| pochu | IIRC | 15:15 |
| asac | no ... i mean hardy | 15:15 |
| asac | long time ago | 15:15 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: in fact the stacktrace is not required, looking at the upstream bug that's due to a wrong ini config | 15:15 |
| pochu | asac: like this? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/liferea/1.4.14-0ubuntu3 | 15:16 |
| Nafallo | seb128: that's state file seems to be using maximum resolution indeed. | 15:16 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: what would be useful is how you got that one created | 15:16 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: do you switch between screens or screen-resolution? | 15:16 |
| Nafallo | seb128: nope. laptop at 1280x800 | 15:16 |
| seb128 | always laptop screen? | 15:16 |
| Nafallo | seb128: 720p movies and DVDs are larger then the screen I suppose... :-P | 15:16 |
| Nafallo | seb128: yepp. always. | 15:17 |
| seb128 | you never plug it on a tv or a dock station or something? | 15:17 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:17 |
| Nafallo | seb128: nope. never :-) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | if you find a way to trigger the buggy config | 15:17 |
| seb128 | ie playing a dvd or something | 15:17 |
| Nafallo | hehe. I wish :-) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | that would be useful | 15:17 |
| seb128 | until then just remove the ini and enjoy | 15:17 |
| Nafallo | seb128: oki :-) | 15:17 |
| Nafallo | seb128: ha! edited the state file to a "less than screen size" value :-) | 15:18 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: that's working now? | 15:18 |
| Nafallo | seb128: yea. | 15:18 |
| Nafallo | and editing back to screensize breaks it! \o/ | 15:19 |
| seb128 | the upstream bug sort of suggested that | 15:19 |
| seb128 | now the trick is to figure how to trigger a buggy config ;-) | 15:19 |
| Nafallo | seb128: might be more useful to make it not break at max res. ;-) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: that's a good point but somewhat orthogonal | 15:24 |
| seb128 | if you have a bugzilla account feel free to add a comment on the bugzilla bug ;-) | 15:25 |
| Nafallo | I think I had back when I had an account on bugzilla.ubuntu.com ;-) | 15:25 |
| hggdh | seb128, a question: for the Outlook .pst importer on Evo 2.26... will we need a MIR for libpst? | 15:37 |
| hggdh | (and, of course, an upgrade to current) | 15:37 |
| seb128 | hggdh: yes, but once we have the required version I expect | 15:37 |
| hggdh | so we should start with a sync request? | 15:37 |
| * hggdh thinks the needed version is on deb experimental | 15:38 | |
| seb128 | if debian has it but I was under the impression that was not the case there | 15:39 |
| dljoyner | hi all | 15:41 |
| seb128 | hey dljoyner | 15:41 |
| hggdh | yes, ou are correct... so we do need a new/update package | 15:42 |
| dljoyner | hiseb128 | 15:42 |
| dljoyner | anyone having problems with synfig | 15:42 |
| seb128 | dljoyner: try #ubuntu, that channel is to discuss desktop work not user issues and dunno what synfig is but that's not something the desktop team work on | 15:46 |
| dljoyner | thank you | 15:47 |
| dljoyner | what does this team work on, info for future reference | 15:48 |
| Nafallo | package the desktop | 15:48 |
| seb128 | desktop applications you find on the standard Ubuntu CD | 15:49 |
| seb128 | ie, mostly the GNOME desktop | 15:49 |
| dljoyner | synfig is a 2d animation application pkg with ubuntu 8.10 | 15:50 |
| davmor2 | Guys is there meant to be 'system tools' with 'file browser' in it? | 15:56 |
| seb128 | there is a bug about the file browser thing already opened | 15:59 |
| davmor2 | seb128: cool thanks | 16:00 |
| seb128 | don't focus on such details for early alpha versions | 16:00 |
| seb128 | there is other priorities than to clean menu entries | 16:00 |
| mvo | seb128: compiz> how do you mean? what switches viewports for you? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: configure a desktop layout having several rows, open gedit, double click on the title bar, left click at the bottom of the screen | 16:05 |
| davmor2 | sbe128: I'm just generally looking through, rather than picking faults, it just looked out of place immediately so I thought I'd check if it was staying for future reference :) | 16:05 |
| seb128 | no need to bother the rt guys about such questions though | 16:05 |
| seb128 | mvo: it switch to the desktop bellow the current one in the grid there | 16:06 |
| mvo | seb128: hm, not for me it seems :/ | 16:07 |
| mvo | I have a 2x2 layout | 16:07 |
| seb128 | and you are on the first row? | 16:07 |
| seb128 | I've no gnome-panel at the bottom if that matters btw | 16:07 |
| mvo | yes | 16:07 |
| mvo | I have one, but only on half the screen | 16:07 |
| seb128 | dnd it on an another corner to try? | 16:08 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, now I can reproduce it | 16:08 |
| seb128 | ah ;-) | 16:09 |
| asac | pochu: yeah | 16:10 |
| mvo | hm, it looks like it thinks there is a drag-n-drop event going on | 16:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: I'm probably the only one to be annoyed about that so don't bother too much ;-) | 16:10 |
| mvo | how strange | 16:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: it sometimes moves the dialog on the other screen too | 16:10 |
| mvo | seb128: I'm a bit busy right now, but please remind me about it | 16:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: in fact it happens often because evolution displays errors in the statusbar which is at the bottom and add icons you can click to display or close the error | 16:11 |
| seb128 | mvo: so half of the time when I click on those it sends me to an another workspace too | 16:11 |
| davmor2 | mvo: you know the issue that was in intrepid where the tickboxes for the compiz options were empty well it's back | 16:36 |
| davmor2 | tseliot: ping | 16:46 |
| tseliot | davmor2: yes? | 16:46 |
| davmor2 | tseliot: are you working on Hardware drivers again? | 16:47 |
| tseliot | davmor2: yes, when I have the time | 16:48 |
| tseliot | davmor2: what's the problem? | 16:49 |
| davmor2 | I got today jaunty.5 image and hardward drivers isn't detecting my nvidia gfx card at all | 16:50 |
| tedg | seb128: A couple questions: Are we still shipping tracker by default? Do you think we'll ship pvanhoof's tracker EPlugin also? | 16:50 |
| davmor2 | s/hardward/hardware | 16:51 |
| seb128 | tedg: no it has been dropped for alpha3 and dunno about this one | 16:51 |
| tedg | seb128: Okay, the plugin uses tracker, so without it there isn't much of a point :) | 16:51 |
| tedg | They were, I guess, dependent questions. | 16:52 |
| seb128 | right | 16:52 |
| seb128 | we might reconsider installing it when it starts working correctly | 16:52 |
| seb128 | it seems some guys are working a lot on rewritting it for months but they didn't roll any tarball yet | 16:52 |
| tedg | Yeah, I was talking with him about it. Apparently Nokia wants to ship it with their ITs. So, it would have to be MUCH more efficient. | 16:53 |
| tedg | They're also adding an RDF store, so it could be a lot cooler at the same time :) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | right | 16:53 |
| seb128 | inotify is still an issue though | 16:54 |
| tedg | Yup. I'm waiting for you-notify ;) | 16:54 |
| seb128 | I'm not going to work on any notify thing ;-) | 16:55 |
| seb128 | ok, I've to go, | 16:56 |
| seb128 | bbl | 16:56 |
| johanbr | There's a discussion on the tracker mailing list of a release next week. | 16:59 |
| tseliot | davmor2: yes, that's because the drivers don't work in Jaunty and therefore pitti blacklisted them. This should be fixed soon | 16:59 |
| davmor2 | tseliot: okay cool thanks for the info | 17:00 |
| tseliot | np | 17:00 |
| calc | ugh seb128 disappeared already :\ | 17:10 |
| calc | rickspencer3: from talking to the redhat OOo guy it appears the weird samba issues, etc are probably caused by a bug in gnome gvfs | 17:11 |
| calc | rickspencer3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=479199 (read the last few comments if interested) | 17:11 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 479199 in gvfs "posix apis unreliable on files mounted over gvfs, e.g. truncate, open, causes OpenOffice.org to fail to save." [Medium,Assigned] | 17:11 |
| calc | rickspencer3: i need to verify on ubuntu but if thats the cause its good news in a way that it isn't a OOo bug but it is much more widespread in that case :-\ | 17:15 |
| calc | rickspencer3: gnome bugs are at least more likely to get fixed quicker than OOo bugs upstream | 17:15 |
| calc | ouch that bug does affect ubuntu also | 18:32 |
| calc | bug 317587 filed about the issue | 18:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 317587 in gvfs "posix apis unreliable on files mounted over gvfs, e.g. truncate, open, causes OpenOffice.org to fail to save" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317587 | 18:41 |
| Tm_T | calc: ah, good, gooood </Darth Sidious> | 18:46 |
| calc | i guess for most programs they don't really care that truncate is broken | 18:54 |
| calc | but it seems to confuse the hell out of OOo | 18:54 |
| Jazzva | hi, do I need e-mail addresses of all upstream authors, or will one or two be enough for debian/copyright? | 20:14 |
| Jazzva | oops, wrong channel. sorry | 20:19 |
| pochu | asac: but this fix is better than setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, isnt it? It's also the one we have in Jaunty | 20:59 |
| asac | pochu: looking at debdiff | 21:10 |
| asac | pochu: oh yeah. its a complete different issue now that i look at the bug | 21:12 |
| asac | pochu: the bug title made me believe that its a regression from the LD_LIBRARY_PATH thing ... but it isnt | 21:12 |
| asac | pochu: approved | 21:13 |
| asac | pochu: you want me to sponsor too? | 21:16 |
| pochu | asac: yes, please :) | 21:41 |
| asac | pochu: almost forgot. but now done | 22:00 |
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| pochu | asac: thanks :) | 22:32 |
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