[00:01] <JanC> some parts of IBM are 200% pro-linux/unix, other parts don't know it exists...
[00:02] <dazman> It's certainly something we need to start looking at though.. in terms of getting things to a point where these sort of solutions are very plug in, install and work.. and manageable for most people moving forwards.
[02:27] <nomingzi> Remote clients (who granted remote dial-in) can easily create VPN connection to server and the logon info (user ID & password) can be saved. so this create security problem if more users create VPN connection from unsafe (or home PC) to our server, how can I prevent this? what are the cheap-way of secondary authentication? Please advise.
[02:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #315427 in samba (main) "winbind is not started before samba, but should" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315427
[05:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #317355 in tomcat6 (main) "jaunty alpha3 - tomcat6 install doesn't listen on port 8009 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317355
[07:12] <Jeeves_> Mogge!
[07:24] <stiv2k> hello
[07:24] <stiv2k> i have openssl installed but a script is unable to locate it on my system
[07:25] <lukehasnoname> whereis openssl
[07:25] <hads> which openssl
[07:25] <lukehasnoname>  /usr/bin/openssl
[07:26] <hads> adjust script here
[07:34] <stiv2k> oh
[07:34] <stiv2k> i was missing libssl-dev
[07:34] <stiv2k> oh boy, missing make
[07:35] <hads> Ah, so not actually openssl
[07:46] <didrocks> kirkland: seems to have an issue for screen-profile with putty
[07:47] <didrocks> (F2,F3,F4) is binded in (/, *, -). Other keys are corrects
[07:47] <didrocks> did you also removed shift+tab?
[07:52] <didrocks> jdstrand: you didn't answered my last IRC question so that I can test ufw. Do I have to take the test on hardy?
[08:20] <Scix> Would this guide apply for intrepid as well? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror
[08:30] <Scix> att the keyring section
[08:40] <jahor> hello i'm interrested in incorporatin a tomcat multi instance launcher. anyone working on something similar?
[08:50] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #317401 in openldap2.3 (main) "Wrong documentation for TLSCipherSuite" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317401
[09:00] <incidence> Hey, any idea why couriertls is eating all the CPU?
[09:00] <incidence> root      9069 98.5  0.0  16316  1752 ?        R    Jan07 11337:19 couriertls -localfd=5 -tcpd -server
[09:01] <_ruben> tls is cpu intensive, so not *that* surprising
[09:02] <_ruben> probably working on a lot of data .. or its messing around
[09:02] <incidence> well yea, but there is no way to reduce that?
[09:03] <_ruben> could try to 'nice' the process, but still it'd use any avail cpu cycles .. or perhaps courier has some throttling built-in
[09:03] <henkjan> hmm, remapped ctrl-a -> ctrl-g in screen-profiles is annoying
[09:04] <hads> So it is.
[09:05] <henkjan> vim /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/common :)
[10:14] <Ward1983> why would ubuntu have xen if it is not working because its missing tons of crap :@
[10:14] <Ward1983> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-tools/+bug/205450
[10:14] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 205450 in xen-3.2 "xend fails to connect guest to dom0 block device or loopback file" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:16] <Ward1983> by that i mean ubuntu 8.04 server
[10:16] <hads> There's loads of stuff in universe
[10:16] <Ward1983> hads, universe isenabled :s
[10:30] <Ward1983> so nobody in ehre runs xen? haha
[10:40] <_ruben> hmm .. nl.archive.ubuntu.com points to the uk mirror
[10:43] <henkjan> _ruben: jeeves must be playing with his toys :)
[10:43] <Jeeves_> Hmm?
[10:44] <Jeeves_> One of the filers failed me yesterday night
[10:44] <Jeeves_> so I had to ask Canonical to switch to them
[10:44] <Jeeves_> Now, they're failing me by not respoding to my request to switch back :)
[10:45] <_ruben> ouch :P
[10:45] <Ward1983> pf
[10:46] <Ward1983> nobody runs xen here? nobody has had this problem?
[10:46] <Ward1983> its on 8.04 btw, when xen was not dropped yet
[10:46] <Ward1983> well... kindof not dropped
[10:47] <_ruben> perhaps it being broken was the reason for it getting dropped
[10:47] <Ward1983> because its done so crappy that it looks liek they draopped t back then
[10:47] <Ward1983> _ruben, maybe but other distros do not seem to have trouble with it
[10:47] <Ward1983> so i gonna have to instlal anotehr distro :(
[10:47] <hads> Use them?
[10:48] <henkjan> Ward1983: you can ttry to ask zul
[10:48] <Ward1983> hads, i did not say that to mock ubuntu
[10:48] <Ward1983> henkjan, letś see if zul responds then thanx :)
[10:48] <Jeeves_> Ward1983: kvm rules
[10:48]  * hads likes kvm
[10:49]  * _ruben likes esxi
[10:49]  * Jeeves_ too
[10:49] <Jeeves_> _ruben: bah!
[10:49]  * Jeeves_ too's hads 
[10:49] <Jeeves_> not _ruben
[10:49] <hads> heh
[10:49] <Jeeves_> vmware bah!
[10:49] <Jeeves_> 'the internet is for porn'
[10:49] <Jeeves_> lalalalala
[10:49] <Ward1983> Jeeves_, i heard of it once but i prefer xen now (just learning, not production environment)
[10:49] <_ruben> heard only once of porn ?
[10:50] <Ward1983> no kvm
[10:50] <hads> If you want supported virtualisation on Ubuntu then KVM is the way.
[10:52] <Ward1983> hads, lol i cannot even find a good ubuntu link on kvm
[10:52] <_ruben> Jeeves_: for windows guests the vmware products are the best imo, and most our stuff is windows, which i, luckily, have not much to do with :)
[10:52] <Ward1983> so much for support
[10:52] <Ward1983> im just depressed now
[10:52] <Ward1983> gtg for a smoke
[10:52] <Ward1983> might aswell give up
[10:52] <hads> *yawn*
[10:52] <Ward1983> this is the third distro :(
[10:52] <Jeeves_> Ward1983: Skip Xen
[10:52] <Ward1983> only ubuntu 8.10 worked and i had to compile the kernel mytself
[10:52] <Jeeves_> Xen will die, slowly
[10:53] <Ward1983> Jeeves_, well i compiled the xen kernel on 8.10 and it sorked perfectly
[10:53] <Ward1983> Jeeves_, how come?
[10:53] <Jeeves_> Ward1983: Linux has adopted kvm
[10:53] <Jeeves_> (Linus, that is)
[10:53] <Jeeves_> Redhat switched from Xen to kvm
[10:53] <Ward1983> Linus is a a**hole
[10:53] <Ward1983> really
[10:53] <Ward1983> dont even like him one little bit
[10:54] <Jeeves_> Ward1983: So what?
[10:54] <_ruben> joy .. dns is updated :)
[10:54] <Ward1983> Jeeves_, he intends to give linux to the community to do with it what they want but he keeps all kinds of cool stuff out of linux ,therefore it is not to be considered free imho
[10:54]  * _ruben hits the sync button
[10:56] <Ward1983> Jeeves_, what would be better on kvm btw? im considering it but i just learned all kinds of xen stuff for nothing then :(
[10:56] <_ruben> bit.nl.archive.ubuntu.com became NXDOMAIN though .. not that it really matters
[10:57] <Ward1983> btw the info it just plain wrong, xen can use extensions just aswell
[10:58] <Ward1983> whatever makes people go for kvm i guess
[10:58] <Ward1983> For hardware without virtualization extensions Xen and Qemu are popular solutions. ¨
[10:58] <Ward1983> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/virtualization.html
[11:02] <Jeeves_> _ruben: That's not the right hostname
[11:03] <_ruben> Jeeves_: not sure where i found it, but i ran into it when i was looking for info on the mirror
[11:05] <_ruben> perhaps a temporary fluke in the matrix
[11:06] <Jeeves_> _ruben: That's the hostname in launchpad
[11:32] <_ruben> ah
[11:39] <ivoks> how do we handle merges?
[11:44] <henriquelm> Hello there
[11:44] <henriquelm> Can you guys tell me what is the command line to upgrade and ubuntu server from the CD?
[11:52] <henriquelm> I don't have the graphical interface installed
[11:52] <henriquelm> I have tryed the command gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade", but it didn't work
[11:53] <ivoks> there's no gksu
[11:53] <ivoks> there's sudo
[11:53] <ivoks> gksu is grpahical tool
[11:53] <ivoks> i'm not sure cdromupgrade is CLI script
[11:56] <henriquelm> [ivoks]: I was just following the instructions of ubuntu's website (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading), but like you said, the instructions are for those who have graphical interface.
[12:00] <Ward1983> so i decided to try kvm
[12:00] <Ward1983> but i read it needs a modified qemu, is that taken care of allready if i install it in 8.04 64bit ?
[12:00] <Ward1983> i dont read anything about it here so: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kvm
[12:06] <ivoks> Ward1983: kvm is modified qemu
[12:06] <ivoks> everything you need for kvm is in ubuntu already
[12:07] <ivoks> kvm (userspace) is modified qemu, while kvm (kernel) is a kernel module
[12:08] <Ward1983> ivoks, ok so i just follow the steps on the URL i gave?
[12:08] <Ward1983> just to make sure
[12:08] <Ward1983> (just had a bad experience with xen + 8.04 64bit)
[12:09] <ivoks> Ward1983: what do you want to achive?
[12:09] <ivoks> install another ubuntu in vm?
[12:09] <ivoks> or some other os?
[12:09] <Ward1983> ivoks, lol no
[12:09] <ivoks> cause, if you want ubuntu, ubuntu-vm-builder would speed things up a lot
[12:09] <Ward1983> ivoks, i wanted to learn xen first but since xen dosnt work and i did do some domUs before i might aswell learn kvm (people here suggested it since its supported and xen is not)
[12:10] <Ward1983> ivoks, ubuntu-vm-builder is for building virtual ubuntuś ?
[12:10] <ivoks> yes
[12:10] <Ward1983> ivoks, is it similar to xen-toolsś debootstrap installations?
[12:10] <Ward1983> that wiould be nice :)
[12:10] <ivoks> yes, it debootstraps ubuntu and/or debian
[12:11] <Ward1983> ivoks, sorry i thought you were gonna suggest virtualbox etc :) because you asked what i wanted to achieve
[12:11] <Ward1983> oh very nice i liked that about xen :)
[12:11] <Ward1983> thanx for the tip
[12:11] <ivoks> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ubuntu-vm-builder.html
[12:12] <Ward1983> ivoks, any idea on the speed compared to xen?
[12:12] <Ward1983> roughly
[12:13] <ivoks> i don't know any exact numbers, but i don't see how faster from kvm it could be
[12:13] <ivoks> :)
[12:13] <Ward1983> ivoks, well xen was insanely performanet here lol, i was really amased
[12:13] <Ward1983> hopefully equally amased by kvm then
[12:15] <ivoks> i use kvm
[12:18] <Ward1983> is it popular with companies?
[12:18] <Ward1983> i know xen is
[12:24] <john_doe1> How do I limit my mail server to only send mails for clients when using login?
[12:38] <ivoks> Ward1983: xen is dying
[12:38] <ivoks> Ward1983: even those who pushed it, now move to kvm (redhat)
[12:39] <ivoks> ubuntu decided in boston (2007.) to go with kvm
[12:41] <frippz> why do I miss /usr/bin/qemu-kvm on my Intrepid install? is there a package that contains this binary?
[12:44] <Ward1983> ivoks, is there any advantage for 8.10 isntead of 8.04 for kvm bt?
[12:44] <Ward1983> btw
[12:46] <ivoks> newer version? :)
[12:46] <henkjan> Ward1983: newer kvm version i suppose. Hardy has kvm 62. Intrepid has v72
[12:46] <Ward1983> ivoks, newer kvm version aswell?
[12:47] <Ward1983> ah ok :s
[12:47] <Ward1983> i would think they would make updates for 8.04
[12:47] <Ward1983> since its LTS
[12:47] <Ward1983> is it also in desktop 8.10?
[12:48] <Ward1983> have that one on my external HD :p installs pretty fast
[12:48] <henkjan> desktop and server are the same repo's. Only a different default install
[12:48] <Ward1983> ah nice thats what i hoped
[12:48] <Ward1983> i didnt fiddle with server much yet
[12:48] <henkjan> apt-file reports no /usr/bin/qemu-kvm for me
[12:49] <Ward1983> lol i was trying the same henkjan
[12:49] <Ward1983> apt-file owns
[12:49] <henkjan> Ward1983: server install is a basic ubuntu install without a graphical interface
[12:49] <Ward1983> henkjan, and alternate install?
[12:50] <henkjan> alternate install is for eg small memory systems
[12:50] <Ward1983> also minial install no?
[12:50] <Ward1983> well basic install
[12:50] <frippz> hmm, seems that /usr/bin/qemu-kvm is the same as /usr/bin/kvm
[12:51] <Ward1983> well going to reinstall 8.10 lol
[12:51] <Ward1983> if only i knew xen didnt work beforehand i would have kept it... lol
[13:20] <huayra_> I need a cron job to repat a certain shell command every 30 minutes as root
[13:20] <huayra_> how do I do it?
[13:20] <huayra_> I'm totally ignorant on cron and need this done quickly
[13:20] <huayra_> some help... please? :)
[13:21] <erik78se> crontab -e
[13:21] <erik78se> Then a quick google for the syntax for cron
[13:21] <erik78se> or "man cron", go to the end and loot for a valid example
[13:23] <huayra_> thx
[13:24] <erik78se> Make sure you do "crontab -e" as the correct user that is about to run the cron job.
[13:25] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #317465 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "libmysqlclient15-dev_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu1_i386.deb error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317465
[13:25] <dazman> There's also /etc/crontab if you want it system-wide.. so not specific to one user.
[13:45] <erik78se> What is the main method to administer user rights on a server as part of securing a server? sudoers?
[13:46] <erik78se> If I would like a user to be able to mount/unmount devices, etc... how whould I do that the "debian/ubuntu" way ?
[13:46] <Deeps> specify 'user' as an option in the fstab entry for your mountpoint, and users can mount/unmount it
[13:47] <erik78se> Ok, that would be "a" way, but I'm sure its not the main metod... I'm not specifically interested in devices, but security in general....
[13:47] <erik78se> sudo for example
[13:48] <erik78se> ... I'm comparing it to the desktop "gnome-authorizations"... where you can like change stuff like that in a GUI.
[13:48] <erik78se> ... do you understand what I'm after ?
[13:49] <Deeps> not entirely, but if you're after the ability to allow users to run a limited subset of commands wiht elevated privledges, sudo is probably the way to go
[13:51] <erik78se> Yeah... What I'm after is if you run a large server park, you need a very flexible way of centrally manage "rights" in your server park. Like having a central "sudoers" file is one example. Some people have the sudoers-file in an LDAP... I'm curious how Ubuntu has thought about that. Its needed in large environments.
[13:52] <huayra_>       # m h dom mon dow user	 command
[13:52] <huayra_>        42 6 * * *	 root	 run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[13:52] <huayra_> what is the 42 ?
[13:52] <Deeps> runs at 06:42
[13:52] <huayra_> number of cron process? how do I know the number?
[13:52] <huayra_> ok
[13:53] <Deeps> erik78se: i dunno, sorry
[13:53] <huayra_> thx people
[13:53] <huayra_> you rock!
[13:53] <Deeps> huayra_: minute, hour, day of the month, month, day of the week
[13:54] <Deeps> huayra_: if you want something running every 30mins as root, you could do 0,30 * * * * root /path/to/command
[13:54] <Deeps> and it'd run /path/to/command as root every hour on the hour and on the half hour
[13:54] <huayra_> one hour is ok
[13:55] <huayra_> is just the command for refresh of a planetplanet install
[13:55] <Deeps> likeiwse, if you replaced 0,30 with 3,33; it would run 3 mins past and 33 mins past
[13:55] <gcleric> does anyone know if Canonical will every sell Landscape for local installs rather than a service over the internt?
[13:55] <Deeps> alternateively, if you wanted something more frequent (e.g. every 5 mins), you could do */5
[13:56] <erik78se> gcleric: I'm hoping for that too...
[13:56] <erik78se> ... or I would have to write my own ;)
[13:56] <gcleric> erik78se: would be nice. =)
[13:59] <huayra_> I can run sh /path/to/file right?
[14:00] <huayra_> or just /path/to/file.sh
[14:01] <Deeps> you can do however you want
[14:01] <erik78se> You need the exact name of the file
[14:01] <Deeps> if you do sh /path/to/file, you wanna probably do /bin/sh instead of sh
[14:01] <Deeps> since $PATH may not be set appropriately within your cron
[14:02] <Deeps> if you do /path/to/file.sh, you need to make sure /path/to/file.sh is executable (chmod +x /path/to/file.sh)
[14:04] <huayra_> done
[14:04] <huayra_> thx
[14:04] <huayra_> now I gotta go
[14:04] <erik78se> gcleric: Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_configuration_management_software
[15:10] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #308548 in ec2-ami-tools "ec2-ami-tools patch for excluding persistent network files" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308548
[15:19] <cowmix> anyone running VMWare Server 2.0 on 8.10?
[15:21] <kirkland> didrocks: is "(F2,F3,F4) is binded in (/, *, -)" in putty your customizations, or putty's defaults?
[15:27] <ivoks> zul: ping
[15:28] <zul> ivoks: hi
[15:28] <ivoks> hi
[15:28] <ivoks> what's up?
[15:28] <zul> not much how are you?
[15:28] <ivoks> great... i've merged bacula
[15:28] <ivoks> a sec... phone
[15:28] <zul> sweet...gimme :)
[15:30] <john_doe1> How do I limit my mail server to only send mails for clients when using login?
[15:32] <RoyK> hi all. iss it possible to tell ufw to allow everything from eth1?
[15:32] <jdstrand> RoyK: not yet
[15:33] <RoyK> can I use custom iptables rules with ufw in a clean way?
[15:33] <jdstrand> RoyK: sure-- just look in /etc/ufw/*.rules
[15:33] <RoyK> those won't be overwritten with ufw?
[15:34] <jdstrand> RoyK: look at the pathname :)
[15:34] <jdstrand> RoyK: ufw allows configuration in /etc/ufw/before*.rules and /etc/ufw/after*.rules
[15:34] <RoyK> ok
[15:35] <RoyK> before and after ufw rules?
[15:35] <jdstrand> RoyK: see the NOTES section of the manpage
[15:35] <RoyK> ok
[15:35] <RoyK> thanks
[15:56] <Juaco> hey ppl
[15:58] <Juaco> i'm having a problem with my date configuration, apparently Ubuntu 8.04 is getting wrong values for UTC time, consecuently i cannot ntpdate synch to the Active Directory at the office (because of kerberos), anyone could give me a hand, or has a clue about this?
[15:59] <Deeps> !ntp
[15:59] <Deeps> change 7.10 to 8.04 though, heh
[16:01] <Juaco> Deeps: thx, i'm checking it. (this looks like a weirder issue to me tho)
[16:04] <didrocks> kirkland: putty's default, unfortunately :/
[16:05] <kirkland> didrocks: can i reproduce it on putty on Linux?  or just windows?
[16:06] <Deeps> "(F2,F3,F4) is binded in (/, *, -)" in putty?
[16:06] <didrocks> kirkland: do not have the choice at work (windows XP only)… So, didn't tried in Linux
[16:06] <didrocks> Deeps: for screen-profiles, I had this behavior
[16:07] <kirkland> didrocks: so in putty, when you hit F2, what happens?
[16:07] <didrocks> kirkland: it prints B
[16:07] <didrocks> C, & D for F3, F4
[16:07] <kirkland> wierd
[16:07] <Deeps> when i hitf2/f3/f4, i get: ~~~
[16:08]  * Deeps grabs screen profiles now though anyway
[16:08] <didrocks> yes, if you can confirm Deeps, it should be great :)
[16:08] <Deeps> urr, heh, how? i'm looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles and i cant find anything on what PPA to add
[16:09] <didrocks> kirkland: remember that it was on my server that I had some strange issues and have to use termcap xterm* instead of xterm
[16:09] <didrocks> Deeps: add kirkland's ppa
[16:09] <kirkland> Deeps: didrocks: not necessary ...
[16:10] <didrocks> ?
[16:10] <Deeps> which/what/how/where? lol
[16:10] <kirkland> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/screen-profiles/
[16:10] <kirkland> just install the deb
[16:10] <Deeps> oki
[16:10] <kirkland> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/screen-profiles/screen-profiles_1.8-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[16:10] <Deeps> worth updating the screen-profiles with some info on how to get it
[16:10] <Deeps> urr, screen-profiles page on launchpad
[16:11] <kirkland> Deeps: doing now ...
[16:11] <Deeps> is there a dpkg option to automatically grab and install dependancies?
[16:11] <dazman> the menu on screen profiles doesn't like some terminals.. but I need to get round to filing a bug report.  I presume thats going to be more of a terminal issue possibly
[16:11] <dazman> which is why I've not submitted a report yet whilst I test it a bit further.
[16:12] <Deeps> e.g just now i got dependancy issue (missing python-newt), and i've manually apt-getted it,
[16:12] <kirkland> Deeps: oh, well, dependency resolution is what you'd get from apt-get and my PPA :-)
[16:12] <Deeps> lol
[16:12] <Deeps> that's a no then
[16:12] <dazman> Deeps: apt-get -f install will fix that.. (I had to do it too for screen-profiles)
[16:12] <didrocks> Deeps: dpkg is just a single package tool. It does not handle automatic dependencies resoution
[16:12] <Deeps> lol, less /usr/share/doc/screen-profiles/README: see launchpad/screen-profiles!
[16:13] <Deeps> didrocks: yeah thats what i figured, but there's always a chance there's been upgrades to it ;)
[16:13] <Deeps> (that i'm unaware of!)
[16:13] <didrocks> :)
[16:15] <Deeps> ok, i guess i'm still needing to do something more as i start a screen and it all looks normal
[16:15] <Deeps> and f2-f9 dont do anything
[16:15] <kirkland> Deeps: run select-screen-profile
[16:15] <kirkland> didrocks: okay, so here's what I can suggest ....
[16:16] <kirkland> didrocks: the keybindings are defined in /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/common
[16:16] <Deeps> hmm,
[16:16] <Deeps> oh, wow that just took an age to load
[16:16] <kirkland> Deeps: will do the first time, calculating updates available;  next load should be instantaneous
[16:17] <kirkland> didrocks: perhaps you can come up with some keybindings that work for putty
[16:17] <Deeps> switched to ^G instead of ^A? brave
[16:17] <kirkland> didrocks: if you do, we can check them in and store them in /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/putty
[16:17] <kirkland> didrocks: and add an option to the configuration screen to switch your keybinding profile
[16:17] <kirkland> Deeps: yeah, i'm on the fence about that one ....
[16:17] <didrocks> kirkland: ok, I will try to have a look tomorrow if I can find some useful keybindings
[16:18] <kirkland> Deeps: ctrl-a breaks emacs and go-to-the-beginning-of-the-line
[16:18] <kirkland> didrocks: thanks.  feel free to open a bug in Launchpad to track this
[16:18] <Deeps> i see
[16:18] <Deeps> f2-f4 dont do anything on my putty either btw, i just get ~~~ output to the terminal
[16:18] <Deeps> putty 0.60/winxp
[16:18] <kirkland> Deeps: what about F9?
[16:18] <kirkland> Deeps: and F8?
[16:19] <Deeps> f5-f9 work as expected
[16:19] <didrocks> kirkland: for sure. I will. I had some discussion with nijaba on what can be implemented (I have lots of ideas) and will try to have some time to enhance this.
[16:19] <kirkland> Deeps: didrocks: oooh, interesting .... f5-f9 work
[16:19] <kirkland> Deeps: didrocks: perhaps the putty profile would just adjust to those
[16:19] <didrocks> kirkland: as for me. I only spoke about F{2..4} :)
[16:19] <kirkland> okay, good
[16:20] <kirkland> so i fully expect keybindings to be "hard" to solve everywhere
[16:20] <kirkland> hard=impossible
[16:20] <kirkland> which is why i created the keybindings/* dir
[16:20] <kirkland> we
[16:20] <kirkland> we'll need separate keybinding profiles, per terminal
[16:20] <Deeps> yep
[16:20] <kirkland> i've only been testing gnome-terminal and the tty console
[16:20] <didrocks> yes, and have to switch between them?
[16:21] <Deeps> out of interest, the red 18! i see to the left of my loadavg, thats how many packages i have that need upgrading?
[16:21] <kirkland> didrocks: right, we'll add an option to the menu, to let you select your preferred profile
[16:21] <kirkland> Deeps: yup
[16:21] <kirkland> Deeps: that's what made the initial startup take ~5 seconds or whatever
[16:22] <Deeps> kirkland: it's wrong then. i did an apt-get update just now, apt-get upgrade confirms 38 packages need updating, the number didnt changee. killed screen, started a new one, it still says 18!
[16:22] <kirkland> Deeps: hmm, interesting, okay, test something for me ...
[16:22] <kirkland> Deeps: btw, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[16:23] <Deeps> good question
[16:23] <Deeps> hardy!
[16:23] <kirkland> should tell you in the bottom left of the screen
[16:23] <kirkland> okay ...
[16:24] <Deeps> oh lol, yeah, i didnt see that
[16:24] <Deeps> \o/ Ubuntu 8.04.1
[16:24] <Deeps> cute, i like the colours too
[16:24] <Deeps> looks very ubuntu
[16:24] <kirkland> Deeps: run, /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available
[16:24] <Deeps> deeps@router:~$ /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available
[16:24] <Deeps> 18!
[16:24] <Nafallo> kirkland: you got around to fixing ppas for that product? :-)
[16:25] <kirkland> Deeps: okay, rm /var/tmp/updates-available-$USER
[16:25] <Deeps> yeah i was just looking, my cache is < 60mins old
[16:25] <kirkland> Nafallo: ?
[16:25] <kirkland> Deeps: right
[16:25] <Deeps> so it makes sense that it hasn't updated
[16:25] <kirkland> Deeps: did you run the apt-get update *after* starting screen?
[16:26] <Deeps> yep
[16:26] <kirkland> Deeps: yeah, that'll do it ...
[16:26] <Nafallo> kirkland: remember we spoke about not having those packages in your private ppa since that would install a bunch of other things? :-)
[16:26] <kirkland> Deeps: it'll pick up the update in <60 minutes
[16:26] <Deeps> deeps@router:~$ /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available
[16:26] <Deeps> E: Failed to write temporary StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states.tmp
[16:26] <Deeps> 39!
[16:26] <kirkland> Deeps: but, you've reminded me about something interesting ...
[16:26] <kirkland> Nafallo: ah, right!
[16:26] <kirkland> Nafallo: well, it's in universe now :-)
[16:26] <Deeps> kirkland: i tend to do everything in screen, force of habbit from when i was stuck with only a gprs connection
[16:27] <Deeps> kirkland: unreliable connection, dont need stuff dying just cuz my terminal dropped off
[16:27] <kirkland> Deeps: cool, i think you've got it
[16:27] <kirkland> Deeps: nice
[16:27] <Nafallo> kirkland: hehe. only jaunty then :-). I'll wait for it then :-)
[16:27] <Deeps> kirkland: 18! still showing in my screen though, it hasn't updated that still
[16:27] <kirkland> Deeps: glad you like it then, please feed any instructions
[16:27] <kirkland> Nafallo: well, you can install the Jaunty binary anywhere;  it's version agnostic
[16:28] <Deeps> kirkland: had to restart screen for it to show the updated count
[16:28] <Nafallo> kirkland: hehe. fair enough.
[16:28] <kirkland> Nafallo: just wget that binary, and dpkg -i it
[16:28] <Nafallo> kirkland: dpkg :-O
[16:28] <kirkland> Deeps: right so there's two ways we can solve that ....
[16:28] <Nafallo> kirkland: gdebi -i damnit ;-)
[16:28] <kirkland> Deeps: we can bind a key to refresh your screen
[16:28] <kirkland> Nafallo: :-P
[16:29] <Deeps> kirkland: thats excellent though, i thought my machine and connection was being a bit sluggish, wouldn't have thought twice about it but saw in the bottom corner that system load was around 0.8, and promptly investigated and killed the rogue process
[16:29] <kirkland> Deeps: hmm, what rogue process?
[16:29] <Deeps> kirkland: scripted automated thing from elsewhere, problem in my code, nothing else
[16:29] <kirkland> Deeps: ah, gotcha.  glad you like ;-)
[16:30] <Deeps> is very cool
[16:30] <kirkland> Deeps: i think more about how to get your updates better
[16:30] <kirkland> Deeps: fwiw, this is handled much more cleanly in Jaunty
[16:30] <Deeps> cool
[16:30] <kirkland> Deeps: see that conditional code in my updates-available script
[16:30] <kirkland> Deeps: basically, jaunty maintains this information in /var/run/updates-available
[16:30] <Deeps> aah, nice
[16:31] <kirkland> Deeps: so my updates-available script doesn't have to do any hard work, just read that file
[16:31] <Deeps> shame that wont get backported to hardy
[16:31] <kirkland> Deeps: which i can do every 60 seconds or something
[16:31] <Deeps> yep, that sounds like a plan
[16:31] <kirkland> Deeps: cheers, thanks for testing
[16:31] <Deeps> thank you! this is niice
[16:31] <kirkland> Deeps: didrocks: I'll be interested to see what you blokes come up with for putty keybindings :-)
[16:33] <didrocks> kirkland: I am at home now, so, no windows ATM. But I will give you that tomorrow :)
[16:33] <kirkland> didrocks: sure, no rush
[16:33] <Deeps> http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fscreen-users%40gnu.org%2Fmsg01525.html&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
[16:33] <kirkland> (me doesn't really care, as he no longer has to use putty!)
[16:33] <Deeps> sheds some light
[16:34] <kirkland> Deeps: ooooh, good one
[16:34]  * kirkland files a bug to track this
[16:34] <Deeps> and infact, changing putty keybinds to xterm r6 resolves
[16:34] <didrocks> kirkland: we searched with nijaba about getting more interactivity with screen (like, retrieving the list of currently opened windows in screen like :windows does. But it seems complicated)
[16:34] <didrocks> Deeps: you have maybe to document that somewhere
[16:35] <Deeps> good point
[16:35]  * Deeps files as a bug?
[16:36] <Deeps> oh kirk's doing that already
[16:36] <didrocks> yep :)
[16:36] <kirkland> Deeps: i'm doing it
[16:36] <kirkland> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-profiles/+bug/317550
[16:36] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 317550 in screen-profiles "f1, f2, f3, f4 not working in putty" [Undecided,New]
[16:36] <kirkland> subscribe if you like
[16:36] <didrocks> I will and confirm it.
[16:36] <kirkland> didrocks: ah, i just took the liberty to mark it confirmed, since 2 of you are seeing it ;-)
[16:37] <kirkland> Deeps: would you add that url you found?
[16:37] <didrocks> kirkland: ok. I opened and saw it as "New" in the meantime :)
[16:39] <Deeps> kirkland: just did
[16:39] <Deeps> woo, my first contribution to ubuntu
[16:42] <kirkland> Deeps: cheers ;-)
[16:42] <didrocks> kirkland: do you know a good way to retrieve screen's current opened windows? I can't get them in, let's say, variable with "screen -X windows"
[16:43] <Deeps> hmm, another potential bug
[16:43] <kirkland> didrocks: hmm, i'm not sure ... http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man1/screen.1.html
[16:43] <kirkland> didrocks: that manpage is like 200 pages long :-)
[16:43] <Deeps> when creating a new window, it starts a new terminal, and there's a space on the command line already
[16:43] <kirkland> Deeps: jdstrand reported that one ...
[16:43] <kirkland> Deeps: well, he mentioned it, didn't open a bug
[16:43] <didrocks> kirkland: yes, and I tried to see every options in CUSTOMIZATION but didn't find useful stuff :/
[16:44] <kirkland> Deeps: you're welcome to open a bug ... i have no idea what's doing that
[16:44] <palt> I have a problem with an ubuntu server when downloading files to it. When I download big files say a dvdiso the file get corrupt somehow (The md5sum doesn't match). This doesn't happen for "small" files say 200M. Any idea what the problem could be? I would guess its the discs running in RAID 1
[16:44] <Deeps> kirkland: ok, will do, gotta pop out now will do it when i get back though as it'll irritate the hell out of me when it happens ;)
[16:44] <palt> fsck says that the file system is okay :)
[16:44] <Ivanhoe> palt: Your RAID1, what kind of controller / discs?
[16:44] <kirkland> Deeps: cheers
[16:45] <palt> software RAID with mdadm.
[16:45] <Ivanhoe> Palt: Have you run an extensive memtest86 memory check?
[16:46] <Ivanhoe> Can anyone tell me how to change the textmode of the console on server 8.10 taxtmode only
[16:46] <Ivanhoe> ^^textmode
[16:46] <uvirtbot`> Ivanhoe: Error: "^textmode" is not a valid command.
[16:46] <palt> Ivanhoe: No, perhaps I should try that. Is there any way to do so with remote access?
[16:47] <Ivanhoe> Not really, to do a proper memory test, you need physical access t the machine, and depending on how much memory you have installed it can be a very time consuming process.
[16:47] <Ivanhoe> Does your server use ECC?
[16:47] <kirkland> Deeps: jdstrand: fixed the extra-whitespace-on-new-window problem :-)
[16:48] <jdstrand> kirkland: \o/
[16:48] <jdstrand> kirkland: what was it?
[16:48] <kirkland> -register n "^g^c ^gA"   # Goes with the F2 definition
[16:48] <kirkland> +register n "^g^c^gA"   # Goes with the F2 definition
[16:48] <jdstrand> nice
[16:48] <Ivanhoe> If you are suing softwraid and getting md5sum mismatches, it is most likley flakey RAM. Do you have any non-raid volume on which to test?
[16:48] <jdstrand> good to know it was something teeny
[16:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: very
[16:49] <Ivanhoe> So anyone know how to change the textmode of the console?
[16:49] <Ivanhoe> eg dos mode con: cols=132 lines = 50 ?
[16:50] <Deeps> kirkland: lol, i just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-profiles/+bug/317558
[16:50] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 317558 in screen-profiles "new windows start with a leading space on the command line" [Undecided,New]
[16:50]  * Deeps out
[16:50] <kirkland> Deeps: excellent, i'll close it with my patch
[16:50] <palt> Ivanhoe: No, the server only contains 2 discs in the RAID. But I'll test the RAM tomorrow :)
[16:52] <Ivanhoe> Good luck palt.
[16:55] <J_P> hi all, I have a server with feisty (7.04), but somes packages don't works more.. Err http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main smartmontools 5.36-8ubuntu2
[16:55] <J_P>   404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.40 80]
[16:56] <J_P> So, Are there a place with all packages of feisty ? for me download smartools.deb and install manucally with dpkg ?
[16:56] <Nafallo> J_P: feisty is End Of Life and removed from the archive servers.
[16:56] <J_P> ahh :-(
[16:56] <Nafallo> J_P: the repository is still available from old-releases.ubuntu.com IIRC
[16:56] <J_P> ahh ok
[16:56] <J_P> that is fine :-)
[16:57] <Nafallo> I strongly suggest you upgrade however.
[16:57] <Nafallo> ...cause you won't receive handy things like say... SECURITY UPDATES on feisty ;-)
[16:58] <J_P> Nafallo: yes, I know.. Do you that are there a problem upgrade directaly to 8.0.4 ?
[16:58] <J_P> or 8.10
[16:58] <Nafallo> J_P: you can't skip versions with non-LTSes.
[16:59] <Nafallo> I'm not sure how difficult it would be considering the archive have moved.
[16:59] <J_P> Nafallo: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/ don't have any binary
[17:00] <Nafallo> J_P: that's not how the archive works dude...
[17:00] <palt> Ivanhoe: Thx :)
[17:01] <Nafallo> J_P: deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main <-- will work
[17:02] <J_P> Nafallo:  ahh in the poold dir works :-)
[17:05] <J_P> Nafallo: don't have smartools in http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/  :-(
[17:06] <Nafallo> J_P: you are running feisty now yea?
[17:06] <J_P> Nafallo: yes
[17:06] <Nafallo> J_P: why don't you replace your sources.list with the new location of things, apt-get update and then use the package manager as you usually do?
[17:07] <J_P> Nafallo: what new location ?
[17:07] <Nafallo> J_P: old-releases
[17:08] <J_P> Nafallo: ahh ok :-)
[17:08] <Nafallo> J_P: does that make sense?
[17:09] <J_P> Nafallo: yes
[17:09] <J_P> :-)
[17:09] <J_P> I forgot that.. uaehuae
[17:10] <J_P> Nafallo: but I can upgrade one LTS to another with ?
[17:10] <J_P> for example a 7.0.4 to 9.0.4 ?
[17:11] <Nafallo> J_P: the built-in tools for upgrading probably doesn't work for this anymore, but you really want to go 7.04 -> 7.10 -> 8.04.2
[17:11] <Nafallo> J_P: LTS would be 6.06 -> 8.04
[17:11] <J_P> Nafallo: ok..
[17:11] <J_P> now other example..
[17:11] <Nafallo> J_P: since you are not on an LTS that will however not work :-)
[17:11] <J_P> if I have the 5.0.4 ?
[17:12] <Nafallo> 5.04 -> 5.10 -> 6.06 -> 8.04
[17:12] <J_P> the old-releases can be used to upgrade until get the oficial like as 7.10 ?
[17:12] <J_P> Nafallo: but are there sources list for all old releases ?
[17:12] <J_P> to upgrade.. ?
[17:13] <Nafallo> I would hope so. but as I said, I'm not convinced about the status for do-release-upgrade for those EOL'd versions.
[17:13] <Nafallo> J_P: looks like it.
[17:13] <J_P> ok
[17:28] <Slown> hello
[17:28] <Slown> I have problem with my proxy
[17:29] <Slown> I use squid with squidGuard module
[17:30] <Slown> I have installed a filter
[17:30] <Slown> but it doesn't work
[17:30] <Slown> any one can help me ?
[17:32] <jmedina> Slown: have you seen in the squid or squidguard logs?
[17:32] <Slown> yes
[17:32] <Slown> no problem
[17:32] <jmedina> and?
[17:32] <jmedina> coulod you paste bin your squidguard config?
[17:32] <Slown> yes one minute
[17:32] <jmedina> and, are you sure squid is loading squidguard childrends?
[17:33] <Slown> I don't use squidguard children
[17:33] <Slown> I use a blacklist
[17:34] <jmedina> I mean, squid redirects requests to a squidguard process and squidguard a few childrends
[17:34] <jmedina> you can see that in /var/log/squid/cache.log
[17:35] <Slown> http://pastebin.com/m28ba2236
[17:40] <Slown> you're here ?
[17:44] <jmedina> Slown: try to add the         log             blocked.log option to you dests
[17:44] <Slown> what's blcoked.log ?
[17:46] <jmedina> a file in the "logdir" directory
[17:47] <jmedina> I dont remember if you need to create it by hand or squidguar automatically will create it
[18:06] <Ward1983> KVM == supported???
[18:06] <Ward1983> virt-manager is a year old....
[18:06] <Ward1983> cannot even install debian from hhtp......
[18:07] <Ward1983> it seems both xen an  KVM are supported for about 50%
[18:07] <Ward1983> bah
[18:11]  * jmedina uses xen and kvm by hand
[18:11]  * jmedina preferes xen-tools
[18:24] <ivoks> virt-manager != kvm
[18:37] <Ward1983> yeah nobody that uses kvm will use virt-manager
[18:37] <Ward1983> :s
[18:37] <Ward1983> sarcasm alert
[18:51] <ivoks> well, i don't use it
[18:59] <sommer> virsh rules :-)
[18:59] <ivoks> virsh?
[19:00] <ivoks> cli :)
[19:00] <ivoks> nice
[19:00] <sommer> part of libvirt-bin
[19:01] <sommer> useful when dealing with multiple vms... I've found
[19:20] <stiv2k> hello
[19:20] <stiv2k> i am having issues with this cron script not executing
[19:21] <stiv2k> 0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * *   ircd   /home/ircd/Unreal3.2.7/ircdcron/ircdchk >/dev/null 2>&1
[19:22] <ivoks> */10 * * * * would be easier :)
[19:22] <stiv2k> hmm ok
[19:22] <stiv2k> but its not executing regardless, my irc server isnt coming up
[19:22] <ivoks> check /var/log/syslog
[19:22] <ivoks> you should see if it's executing or not
[19:23] <stiv2k> Jan 15 14:20:01 rickb /USR/SBIN/CRON[8087]: (ircd) CMD (  /home/ircd/Unreal3.2.7/ircdcron/ircdchk >/dev/null 2>&1)
[19:23] <ivoks> so, it's executing
[19:24] <ivoks> try running the program
[19:24] <ivoks> sudo -i <- become a root
[19:24] <ivoks> su - ircd <- become ircd user
[19:24] <ivoks>  /home/ircd/Unreal3.2.7/ircdcron/ircdchk
[19:24] <stiv2k> it doesnt let me do that
[19:25] <stiv2k> i say su - ircd and im still root
[19:25] <stiv2k> root@rickb:/etc/apache2# su - ircd
[19:25] <stiv2k> root@rickb:/etc/apache2#
[19:25] <ivoks> su ircd
[19:25] <stiv2k> same
[19:25] <ivoks> what chell does ircd have?
[19:25] <stiv2k> no shell
[19:25] <stiv2k> /bin/false
[19:26] <ivoks> then su -s /bin/bash ircd
[19:26] <stiv2k> cool
[19:27] <ivoks> and, does it work?
[19:27] <stiv2k> bash: /home/ircd/Unreal3.2.7/ircdchk: No such file or directory
[19:27] <stiv2k> oops
[19:27] <stiv2k> wrong dir
[19:27] <stiv2k> /home/ircd/Unreal3.2.7/ircdcron/ircdchk: line 47: /home/ircd/irc.rickb.net/src/ircd: Permission denied
[19:27] <stiv2k> hmmm
[19:28] <ivoks> there you go
[19:28] <stiv2k> ah
[19:28] <stiv2k> the ircd binary is owned by root (wtf)
[19:56] <Nafallo> kirkland: would /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available make sense to run every 10-15 minutes rather than each hour? :-)
[19:56] <Nafallo> maybe even 5-10 minutes ;-)
[19:58] <kevinbrewster> Question: I have a server with apache2+ssl requiring a RCA pass phrase on start up. When I restart server, it hangs waiting for me to enter passphrase. Once I ssh to the server is there a way to bring that process to the "foreground" (so to speak) so I can enter in the passphrase?
[19:58] <Nafallo> kirkland: especially if reboot-required is that often :-)
[20:04] <ivoks> kevinbrewster: openssl rsa < key > new_key
[20:05] <ivoks> kevinbrewster: (that's: don't ask password at all)
[20:06] <ivoks> take care... battery low
[20:06] <kevinbrewster> Yes, I'd rather not disable the password though. Just want a way to enter it in on restart through ssh
[20:12] <hads> Only thing I can think of is some sort of hack to start it in screen
[20:15] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #317542 in openvpn (universe) "Error in sysv script (dup-of: 271777)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317542
[20:22] <Nafallo> kirkland: how about using Malone to translate screen-profiles? ;-)
[20:23] <MatBoy> starnge question maybe, but is ubuntu better on iscsi than debian ?
[20:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #315507 in php-suhosin (universe) "Unable to remove Suhosin patch" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315507
[20:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #316441 in php5 (main) "PHP session garbage collection" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316441
[20:46] <kirkland> Nafallo: right, I agree on making updates-available more frequent, now that it's using caching
[20:46] <kirkland> Nafallo: before, it would run the whole calculation every time
[20:46] <Nafallo> kirkland: haha. nice :-)
[20:46] <kirkland> Nafallo: that's an expensive operation, and i didn't want to run it more than every how
[20:47] <kirkland> Nafallo: but now, with the caching, i'll make it happen more frequently
[20:47] <Nafallo> awesome :-)
[20:47] <Nafallo> kirkland: will we have translations somewhere in Malone as well? I wouldn't mind making it Swedish even though I don't use the language myself anymore ;-)
[20:49] <kirkland> Nafallo: sure...  do you know how to set that up?
[20:49]  * kirkland doesn't
[20:49] <kirkland> but i'm happy to have it translated
[20:49] <Nafallo> kirkland: hmm. never done it myself :-)
[20:50] <kirkland> Nafallo: well, if you can help me figure that out, i'd love to get it using LP translations ;-)
[20:50] <kirkland> Nafallo: i've checked the box in LP :-)
[20:50] <kirkland> Nafallo: so there's a tab at https://edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles
[20:51] <Nafallo> kirkland: awesome :-)
[20:51] <kirkland> Nafallo: hmm, i have checked the box, but it doesn't think so ....
[20:51] <kirkland> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles
[20:55] <kirkland> Nafallo: okay, cache changes commited, pushed
[20:56]  * Nafallo updates trunk locally :-)
[20:57] <kirkland> Nafallo: okay, i uploaded the .pot and .po files
[20:57] <kirkland> Nafallo: now, we're waiting on LP human review
[20:57] <Nafallo> hmm. bzr says I'm up to date. probably will have to wait a bit ;-)
[20:59] <kirkland> Nafallo: you need revision 59
[20:59] <Nafallo> yea. bzr update is probably not the same as bzr pull ;-)
[20:59] <Nafallo> worked now
[21:00] <Deeps> kirkland: on screen -r, does it refresh the updates count if the cache is > 60mins old?
[21:00] <kirkland> Deeps: not sure ... test it out and let me know
[21:00] <Deeps> lol
[21:01] <Deeps> kirkland: i think it does, last time i tried to reattach to my screen it was painfully slow
[21:01] <Deeps> 5-7 seconds to get the session back, on a 750mhz p3
[21:01] <kirkland> Deeps: i'm surprised by that ....
[21:02] <Deeps> we're well past 10  seconds now
[21:02] <Deeps> and it's back
[21:02] <kirkland> Deeps: that doesn't seem right
[21:02] <Deeps> admittedly, the 15min load avg is 1.76
[21:02] <Deeps> due to the abismal cifs stack
[21:03] <Deeps> i should look for and/or file a bug about that
[21:14] <GreenCult> hi all
[21:14] <GreenCult> someone here have to install ubuntu on raid sata server?
[21:24] <stiv2k> hey
[21:24] <stiv2k> is this supposed to happen?
[21:24] <stiv2k> /dev/sdb3 on /root/test type ext3 (rw)
[21:24] <stiv2k> /dev/sda3 on /root/test type ext3 (rw)
[21:24] <stiv2k> i can't unmount this now
[21:25] <oly562> hello
[21:26] <oly562> I believe Im slowly but surely killing my server here. can someone take a look at my pastebin, its the synaptic errors listed using the gui. trying to fix up deps and errors, seem to be making it worse. thanks!  http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/919/
[21:27] <oly562> brb going for a smoke
[21:29] <MatBoy> I can't ping or traceroute any host with good settings, hard set, but using dhcp everything works :S
[21:30] <MatBoy> I had this twice already
[21:32] <maw_> MatBoy: when you use a static IP are you sure your gateway is the correct IP?
[21:32] <MatBoy> maw_: 200% sure
[21:32] <maw_> can you  1) ping your loopback address 2) ping your adapter address 3) ping your gateway?
[21:32] <MatBoy> btw, what weird is when I try to use another gateway, one subnet lower, eth0 can't be started
[21:32] <maw_> and finally 4) ping something outside the gateway
[21:33] <MatBoy> maw_: can't ping my gatway :S
[21:33] <MatBoy> but everything localhost I can
[21:33] <maw_> what is your IP and subnet?
[21:33] <MatBoy> 192.168.11.x and 255.255.255.0
[21:33] <maw_> is the gateway 192.168.11.1/24 ?
[21:34] <maw_>  /24 = 255.255.255.0
[21:34] <MatBoy> maw_: nope, 11.254
[21:34] <maw_> that should be fine as .254 is the upper limit address in /24
[21:35] <maw_> run netstat -rn and show us the output
[21:35] <MatBoy> yep, I use it onother hosts too
[21:36] <Gargoyle> What's a good program for monitoring server cpu and mem usage over time, so I could get a weekly or monthly summary?
[21:36] <maw_> cacti
[21:37] <Gargoyle> sweet.
[21:37]  * Gargoyle give maw_ a cookie
[21:37] <_Cid> thats RDD based, right?
[21:37] <maw_> yes
[21:37] <maw_> RRD
[21:37] <maw_> round robin database
[21:37] <_Cid> oh, just looked it up cacti is a web interface to RDD ...thats nifty that is
[21:38] <maw_> MatBoy: what is the output of "netstat -rn"
[21:38] <Ward1983> thanx for suggesting kvm earlyer
[21:38] <Ward1983> its total crap
[21:38] <MatBoy> maw_: routes are OK as on other hosts
[21:38] <maw_> yes cacti is great, but make sure you don't expose it to the internet. It is known for having security vulnerabilities
[21:38] <_Cid> guess not a priority :)
[21:38] <maw_> ya
[21:38] <maw_> but it captures data well
[21:39] <maw_> and you can write your own scripts to capture data as well
[21:39] <maw_> it is very robust
[21:39] <Deeps> munin's another useful tool in this situation
[21:39] <maw_> MatBoy: can I please see the output?
[21:39] <maw_> there are a lot of snmp based monitoring/performance capture programs out there
[21:39] <maw_> I just like Cacti as it doesn't require an agent on every machine
[21:40] <MatBoy> maw_: itś OK, I have checked it
[21:40] <MatBoy> a have a default route for 0.0.0.0 and 192.168.11.0 uses *
[21:40] <MatBoy> and 0.0.0.0 uses my gateway
[21:41] <maw_> wait... if it says 0.0.0.0 and 192.168.11.0 then that is wrong
[21:42] <maw_> it should be 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.254
[21:42] <maw_> but even so... apparently your gateway is on the same subnet so it should respond to ping
[21:42] <maw_> you need to dump your ifconfig and routing details for more help
[21:42] <MatBoy> yes it says that
[21:43] <MatBoy> and 192.168.11.0 uses gateway 0.0.0.0
[21:43] <MatBoy> that is normal
[21:45] <MatBoy> really weird
[21:45] <MatBoy> ah I think I already know
[21:52]  * Gargoyle loves linux tools... cacti up and running already!
[21:54] <MatBoy> maw_: stays weird
[21:58] <MatBoy> aaah !!!!
[22:12] <Jeeves_> cacti is nice, for small and easy setups
[22:21] <Gargoyle> doesn't seem to want to show me a network graph... I'll read the docs tomorrow
[22:22] <MatBoy> weird this, I can't ping my gateway but can ping other hosts that can ping the gateway :S
[22:24] <Gargoyle> MatBoy: You messed up your subnet?
[22:25] <MatBoy> Gargoyle: nope, I can ping other hosts in the subnet
[22:26] <MatBoy> I have the idea that it's a ubuntu-server issue with static ip's
[22:26] <usta> i did a big wrong, now using ubuntu server 8.04 but i changed my chmod settings. i did chmod -R 644 / and my system now not starting, can anyone help me pls. Thanks a lot
[22:27] <Gargoyle> MatBoy: I have run ubuntu servers on static IP's for years
[22:28] <Gargoyle> usta: You would probably have to re-install the system!
[22:29] <Gargoyle> usta: I mean, you could probably reset the permissions by hand, I don't know if there is an automated method?
[22:30] <Gargoyle> MatBoy: Your gateway should be like any other host. If you can ping other hosts, then you should be able to ping the gateway.
[22:32] <MatBoy> Gargoyle: yes, but I have updated my box now using dhcp, itś rebooting now
[22:32] <MatBoy> with static IP again
[22:32] <MatBoy> there was an issue in iproute I thought
[22:32] <MatBoy> I have had this before 2 days ago with a new install
[22:32] <usta> Gargoyle, i have a lot of domain on my system
[22:32] <MatBoy> damn
[22:34] <simplexio> i have static ip configured and work like it should be
[22:34] <MatBoy> Gargoyle: just can't ping my gateway :S
[22:35] <Gargoyle> MatBoy: Pastebin the ip settings if your node and the gateway. (I assume they are all in the same switch?)
[22:35] <MatBoy> Gargoyle: aha, that IP can't ping the gatway
[22:35] <MatBoy> weird !
[22:35] <MatBoy> set another IP and everyting is fine
[22:35] <MatBoy> but I want that IP :P
[22:35] <simplexio> my best quess is user error :) i have done it many times, looking fifth time into subnet mask and then notice that it's actually wrong
[22:35] <simplexio> MatBoy: ip mask and gateway ip ?
[22:35] <Gargoyle> MatBoy: Which two IP's and subnet?
[22:36] <MatBoy> I used 192.168.11.250
[22:36] <MatBoy> it worked before
[22:36] <MatBoy> nowhere used
[22:37] <simplexio> mask /24 ? and gateway ip ?
[22:37] <MatBoy> rebooting my esxi machine to see if it was still in that switch maybe
[22:37] <MatBoy> simplexio: yep and gatway ip .254
[22:37] <MatBoy> I use it in a lot of places like that
[22:37] <simplexio> well it should work..
[22:37] <MatBoy> indeed
[22:38] <simplexio> and i think there should be something in dmesg if there is another machine with same ip
[22:38] <MatBoy> I have the idea that ESXi hold it somewhere in the lun
[22:39] <MatBoy> the iscsi_mod was loading weird too
[22:42] <usta> i did a big wrong, now using ubuntu server 8.04 but i changed my chmod settings. i did chmod -R 644 / and my system now not starting, can anyone help me pls. Thanks a lot
[22:42] <simplexio> usta: reinstall, its fastest that way
[22:43] <jmedina> really bad :S
[22:44] <MatBoy> mhh
[22:44] <MatBoy> maybe the router is messed up
[22:44] <usta> simplexio, i have data and working webserver
[22:45] <maw_> usta: have you tried to boot into fail safe mode?
[22:45] <simplexio> usta: well.. backup data, and reinstall. you can boot into into in signle user mode
[22:45] <usta> i tried maw_
[22:46] <simplexio> usta: aka add single into bootline in grub
[22:46] <MatBoy> ok, router had a issue with the IP :D
[22:46] <simplexio> usta: if singe user mode dosnät work then use livecd to rescue data
[22:47] <usta> simplexio, thanks i will try now
[22:50] <maw_> usta: this is a good example why partitioning using FHS is quite benficial ... you could probably just reinstall without losing any data
[22:52] <simplexio> FHS ?
[22:52] <Deeps> filesystem hierarchy standard
[22:54] <maw_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[22:54] <simplexio> indeed..
[22:54] <simplexio> allready open
[22:54] <maw_> heh
[22:54] <simplexio> google is fast :)
[22:56] <maw_> /etc /home /var /usr /tmp ...are the important ones. If you standardise your deployments then you can add a new partition to every system that will always include your data... maybe a /data *shrug*.
[22:56] <simplexio> ability to easily move home directory own harddisk was one main reason why i use linux in my main desktop nowdays
[22:56] <maw_> irc truncated my first / :|
[22:56] <usta> how can i start ubuntu server safe mod?
[22:56] <maw_> if you have grub, I think it is F2
[22:57] <maw_> spam it when the server is starting... right after POST
[22:57] <simplexio> on my computer i just press anykey until i can choose kernel and boot options
[22:58] <simplexio> has anyone come with good disk layout for postgresql server. i mean disk layout for laxy ppl so i can use normal tablespaces ?
[23:00] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #317667 in apache2 (main) "Please sync apache2 2.2.11-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317667
[23:15] <Furabolos> Anyone alive?
[23:17] <usta> yep
[23:18]  * genii makes a fresh batch of coffee
[23:20] <Furabolos> I suppose no one is using vmbuilder with a FS different from ext3, right?
[23:24] <Furabolos> Gawd, this channel needs some heavy caffeine injection
[23:27]  * genii hands Furabolos a large coffee in a shiny new Ubuntu mug
[23:27] <Furabolos> Hey, thanks
[23:27] <Furabolos> May I ask a bit of milk?
[23:36]  * genii pours a bit of milk in the coffee
[23:43]  * owh notes that most coffee roasts these days expect a little sugar - to be used like a condiment - think: adding pepper or salt.
[23:44] <oly562> k im back
[23:45] <oly562> I believe Im slowly but surely killing my server here. can someone take a look at my pastebin, its the synaptic errors listed using the gui. trying to fix up deps and errors, seem to be making it worse. thanks!  http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/919/
[23:46] <oly562> any takers. im pretty nix savoy, i could really use some help on this, i made the switch to ubuntu a month ago
[23:48] <owh> oly562: The real question is "What did you do before these errors?"
[23:48] <hads> You will get more help with CLI tools in this channel.
[23:49] <oly562> its really hard to say
[23:49] <oly562> i been adding software, with apt-get install
[23:50] <oly562> thats about it
[23:50] <oly562> im a cli kinda guy
[23:50] <oly562> fire away... what do you need to know, so forth. i can follow well
[23:50] <oly562> looks like a lot of deps
[23:50] <owh> oly562: There are logs in /var/log/apt*, you'll also have cli logs if you execute `history`
[23:51] <Deeps> what was the last thing you tried to install before it all went pear shaped?
[23:51] <oly562> so my first quesiton is, by doing apt-get -f install whatever  seems to not be fixing the missing lol
[23:51] <oly562> Deeps: ok, well i was installing xaos
[23:52] <hads> Bug 316013
[23:52] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 316013 in util-linux "apt-get dist-upgrade failed - architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.15.7) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.24-14-server)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316013
[23:52] <oly562> i just signed up for a launchpad account, since M4 popped us as a Crash incident.
[23:53] <xp_prg> hi all, I need help configuring apache2 to allow my perl and python cgi's to play together, anyone good at that?  http://pastebin.com/d4751a09d
[23:53] <oly562> i was trying to also install alien but these errors existed prior, this just reminded me i had an issue
[23:54] <oly562> i was trying to make and rpm into a .dep. well i started too, then i saw all the errors again from previous synaptic installs
[23:54] <oly562> i cant even remove programs now
[23:55] <oly562> nor add them with out these errors coming up. i will seperate pastebin them, they are the core progs with issues, like gettext, po-something, and um debhelper
[23:55] <oly562> yadd
[23:55] <oly562> yadda, brb
[23:55] <oly562> im a vi guy, and i tried installing emacs to see what it would do, same thing, just added to the list of progs with errors
[23:56] <oly562> http://www.internetworkpro.org/pastebin/923/
[23:56] <owh> oly562: Did you see the work-arounds in that bug report?
[23:56] <oly562> oh not yet, let me check that out, thanks
[23:56] <oly562> i wasnt doing a dist-upgrade so i past that one lol
[23:57] <oly562> im not using kernel-server
[23:57] <oly562> by the way
[23:57] <oly562> Linux pluto 2.6.24-19-generic #1
[23:58] <oly562> i think the question i was also going to ask was... when it says..... Package whatever is not configured yet
[23:58] <oly562> what that means
[23:58] <oly562> and dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[23:59] <oly562> all over that pastebin prior
[23:59] <oly562> i tried reinstalling things, so forth, same errors
[23:59] <oly562> i see that apt-get is like yum is like rpm, they all have issues with deps when trying to remove/add