[00:01] some parts of IBM are 200% pro-linux/unix, other parts don't know it exists... [00:02] It's certainly something we need to start looking at though.. in terms of getting things to a point where these sort of solutions are very plug in, install and work.. and manageable for most people moving forwards. [02:27] Remote clients (who granted remote dial-in) can easily create VPN connection to server and the logon info (user ID & password) can be saved. so this create security problem if more users create VPN connection from unsafe (or home PC) to our server, how can I prevent this? what are the cheap-way of secondary authentication? Please advise. [02:51] New bug: #315427 in samba (main) "winbind is not started before samba, but should" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315427 [05:41] New bug: #317355 in tomcat6 (main) "jaunty alpha3 - tomcat6 install doesn't listen on port 8009 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317355 [07:12] Mogge! [07:24] hello [07:24] i have openssl installed but a script is unable to locate it on my system [07:25] whereis openssl [07:25] which openssl [07:25] /usr/bin/openssl [07:26] adjust script here [07:34] oh [07:34] i was missing libssl-dev [07:34] oh boy, missing make [07:35] Ah, so not actually openssl [07:46] kirkland: seems to have an issue for screen-profile with putty [07:47] (F2,F3,F4) is binded in (/, *, -). Other keys are corrects [07:47] did you also removed shift+tab? [07:52] jdstrand: you didn't answered my last IRC question so that I can test ufw. Do I have to take the test on hardy? [08:20] Would this guide apply for intrepid as well? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror [08:30] att the keyring section [08:40] hello i'm interrested in incorporatin a tomcat multi instance launcher. anyone working on something similar? [08:50] New bug: #317401 in openldap2.3 (main) "Wrong documentation for TLSCipherSuite" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317401 [09:00] Hey, any idea why couriertls is eating all the CPU? [09:00] root 9069 98.5 0.0 16316 1752 ? R Jan07 11337:19 couriertls -localfd=5 -tcpd -server [09:01] <_ruben> tls is cpu intensive, so not *that* surprising [09:02] <_ruben> probably working on a lot of data .. or its messing around [09:02] well yea, but there is no way to reduce that? [09:03] <_ruben> could try to 'nice' the process, but still it'd use any avail cpu cycles .. or perhaps courier has some throttling built-in [09:03] hmm, remapped ctrl-a -> ctrl-g in screen-profiles is annoying [09:04] So it is. [09:05] vim /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/common :) [10:14] why would ubuntu have xen if it is not working because its missing tons of crap :@ [10:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-tools/+bug/205450 [10:14] Launchpad bug 205450 in xen-3.2 "xend fails to connect guest to dom0 block device or loopback file" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:16] by that i mean ubuntu 8.04 server [10:16] There's loads of stuff in universe [10:16] hads, universe isenabled :s [10:30] so nobody in ehre runs xen? haha [10:40] <_ruben> hmm .. nl.archive.ubuntu.com points to the uk mirror [10:43] _ruben: jeeves must be playing with his toys :) [10:43] Hmm? [10:44] One of the filers failed me yesterday night [10:44] so I had to ask Canonical to switch to them [10:44] Now, they're failing me by not respoding to my request to switch back :) [10:45] <_ruben> ouch :P [10:45] pf [10:46] nobody runs xen here? nobody has had this problem? [10:46] its on 8.04 btw, when xen was not dropped yet [10:46] well... kindof not dropped [10:47] <_ruben> perhaps it being broken was the reason for it getting dropped [10:47] because its done so crappy that it looks liek they draopped t back then [10:47] _ruben, maybe but other distros do not seem to have trouble with it [10:47] so i gonna have to instlal anotehr distro :( [10:47] Use them? [10:48] Ward1983: you can ttry to ask zul [10:48] hads, i did not say that to mock ubuntu [10:48] henkjan, letś see if zul responds then thanx :) [10:48] Ward1983: kvm rules [10:48] * hads likes kvm [10:49] * _ruben likes esxi [10:49] * Jeeves_ too [10:49] _ruben: bah! [10:49] * Jeeves_ too's hads [10:49] not _ruben [10:49] heh [10:49] vmware bah! [10:49] 'the internet is for porn' [10:49] lalalalala [10:49] Jeeves_, i heard of it once but i prefer xen now (just learning, not production environment) [10:49] <_ruben> heard only once of porn ? [10:50] no kvm [10:50] If you want supported virtualisation on Ubuntu then KVM is the way. [10:52] hads, lol i cannot even find a good ubuntu link on kvm [10:52] <_ruben> Jeeves_: for windows guests the vmware products are the best imo, and most our stuff is windows, which i, luckily, have not much to do with :) [10:52] so much for support [10:52] im just depressed now [10:52] gtg for a smoke [10:52] might aswell give up [10:52] *yawn* [10:52] this is the third distro :( [10:52] Ward1983: Skip Xen [10:52] only ubuntu 8.10 worked and i had to compile the kernel mytself [10:52] Xen will die, slowly [10:53] Jeeves_, well i compiled the xen kernel on 8.10 and it sorked perfectly [10:53] Jeeves_, how come? [10:53] Ward1983: Linux has adopted kvm [10:53] (Linus, that is) [10:53] Redhat switched from Xen to kvm [10:53] Linus is a a**hole [10:53] really [10:53] dont even like him one little bit [10:54] Ward1983: So what? [10:54] <_ruben> joy .. dns is updated :) [10:54] Jeeves_, he intends to give linux to the community to do with it what they want but he keeps all kinds of cool stuff out of linux ,therefore it is not to be considered free imho [10:54] * _ruben hits the sync button [10:56] Jeeves_, what would be better on kvm btw? im considering it but i just learned all kinds of xen stuff for nothing then :( [10:56] <_ruben> bit.nl.archive.ubuntu.com became NXDOMAIN though .. not that it really matters [10:57] btw the info it just plain wrong, xen can use extensions just aswell [10:58] whatever makes people go for kvm i guess [10:58] For hardware without virtualization extensions Xen and Qemu are popular solutions. ¨ [10:58] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/virtualization.html [11:02] _ruben: That's not the right hostname [11:03] <_ruben> Jeeves_: not sure where i found it, but i ran into it when i was looking for info on the mirror [11:05] <_ruben> perhaps a temporary fluke in the matrix [11:06] _ruben: That's the hostname in launchpad [11:32] <_ruben> ah [11:39] how do we handle merges? [11:44] Hello there [11:44] Can you guys tell me what is the command line to upgrade and ubuntu server from the CD? [11:52] I don't have the graphical interface installed [11:52] I have tryed the command gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade", but it didn't work [11:53] there's no gksu [11:53] there's sudo [11:53] gksu is grpahical tool [11:53] i'm not sure cdromupgrade is CLI script [11:56] [ivoks]: I was just following the instructions of ubuntu's website (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading), but like you said, the instructions are for those who have graphical interface. [12:00] so i decided to try kvm [12:00] but i read it needs a modified qemu, is that taken care of allready if i install it in 8.04 64bit ? [12:00] i dont read anything about it here so: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kvm [12:06] Ward1983: kvm is modified qemu [12:06] everything you need for kvm is in ubuntu already [12:07] kvm (userspace) is modified qemu, while kvm (kernel) is a kernel module [12:08] ivoks, ok so i just follow the steps on the URL i gave? [12:08] just to make sure [12:08] (just had a bad experience with xen + 8.04 64bit) [12:09] Ward1983: what do you want to achive? [12:09] install another ubuntu in vm? [12:09] or some other os? [12:09] ivoks, lol no [12:09] cause, if you want ubuntu, ubuntu-vm-builder would speed things up a lot [12:09] ivoks, i wanted to learn xen first but since xen dosnt work and i did do some domUs before i might aswell learn kvm (people here suggested it since its supported and xen is not) [12:10] ivoks, ubuntu-vm-builder is for building virtual ubuntuś ? [12:10] yes [12:10] ivoks, is it similar to xen-toolsś debootstrap installations? [12:10] that wiould be nice :) [12:10] yes, it debootstraps ubuntu and/or debian [12:11] ivoks, sorry i thought you were gonna suggest virtualbox etc :) because you asked what i wanted to achieve [12:11] oh very nice i liked that about xen :) [12:11] thanx for the tip [12:11] https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ubuntu-vm-builder.html [12:12] ivoks, any idea on the speed compared to xen? [12:12] roughly [12:13] i don't know any exact numbers, but i don't see how faster from kvm it could be [12:13] :) === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [12:13] ivoks, well xen was insanely performanet here lol, i was really amased [12:13] hopefully equally amased by kvm then [12:15] i use kvm [12:18] is it popular with companies? [12:18] i know xen is === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [12:24] How do I limit my mail server to only send mails for clients when using login? [12:38] Ward1983: xen is dying [12:38] Ward1983: even those who pushed it, now move to kvm (redhat) [12:39] ubuntu decided in boston (2007.) to go with kvm [12:41] why do I miss /usr/bin/qemu-kvm on my Intrepid install? is there a package that contains this binary? [12:44] ivoks, is there any advantage for 8.10 isntead of 8.04 for kvm bt? [12:44] btw [12:46] newer version? :) [12:46] Ward1983: newer kvm version i suppose. Hardy has kvm 62. Intrepid has v72 [12:46] ivoks, newer kvm version aswell? [12:47] ah ok :s [12:47] i would think they would make updates for 8.04 [12:47] since its LTS [12:47] is it also in desktop 8.10? [12:48] have that one on my external HD :p installs pretty fast [12:48] desktop and server are the same repo's. Only a different default install [12:48] ah nice thats what i hoped [12:48] i didnt fiddle with server much yet [12:48] apt-file reports no /usr/bin/qemu-kvm for me [12:49] lol i was trying the same henkjan [12:49] apt-file owns [12:49] Ward1983: server install is a basic ubuntu install without a graphical interface [12:49] henkjan, and alternate install? [12:50] alternate install is for eg small memory systems [12:50] also minial install no? [12:50] well basic install [12:50] hmm, seems that /usr/bin/qemu-kvm is the same as /usr/bin/kvm [12:51] well going to reinstall 8.10 lol [12:51] if only i knew xen didnt work beforehand i would have kept it... lol [13:20] I need a cron job to repat a certain shell command every 30 minutes as root [13:20] how do I do it? [13:20] I'm totally ignorant on cron and need this done quickly [13:20] some help... please? :) [13:21] crontab -e [13:21] Then a quick google for the syntax for cron [13:21] or "man cron", go to the end and loot for a valid example [13:23] thx [13:24] Make sure you do "crontab -e" as the correct user that is about to run the cron job. [13:25] New bug: #317465 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "libmysqlclient15-dev_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu1_i386.deb error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317465 [13:25] There's also /etc/crontab if you want it system-wide.. so not specific to one user. [13:45] What is the main method to administer user rights on a server as part of securing a server? sudoers? [13:46] If I would like a user to be able to mount/unmount devices, etc... how whould I do that the "debian/ubuntu" way ? [13:46] specify 'user' as an option in the fstab entry for your mountpoint, and users can mount/unmount it [13:47] Ok, that would be "a" way, but I'm sure its not the main metod... I'm not specifically interested in devices, but security in general.... [13:47] sudo for example [13:48] ... I'm comparing it to the desktop "gnome-authorizations"... where you can like change stuff like that in a GUI. [13:48] ... do you understand what I'm after ? [13:49] not entirely, but if you're after the ability to allow users to run a limited subset of commands wiht elevated privledges, sudo is probably the way to go [13:51] Yeah... What I'm after is if you run a large server park, you need a very flexible way of centrally manage "rights" in your server park. Like having a central "sudoers" file is one example. Some people have the sudoers-file in an LDAP... I'm curious how Ubuntu has thought about that. Its needed in large environments. [13:52] # m h dom mon dow user command [13:52] 42 6 * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily [13:52] what is the 42 ? [13:52] runs at 06:42 [13:52] number of cron process? how do I know the number? [13:52] ok [13:53] erik78se: i dunno, sorry [13:53] thx people [13:53] you rock! [13:53] huayra_: minute, hour, day of the month, month, day of the week [13:54] huayra_: if you want something running every 30mins as root, you could do 0,30 * * * * root /path/to/command [13:54] and it'd run /path/to/command as root every hour on the hour and on the half hour [13:54] one hour is ok [13:55] is just the command for refresh of a planetplanet install [13:55] likeiwse, if you replaced 0,30 with 3,33; it would run 3 mins past and 33 mins past [13:55] does anyone know if Canonical will every sell Landscape for local installs rather than a service over the internt? [13:55] alternateively, if you wanted something more frequent (e.g. every 5 mins), you could do */5 [13:56] gcleric: I'm hoping for that too... [13:56] ... or I would have to write my own ;) [13:56] erik78se: would be nice. =) [13:59] I can run sh /path/to/file right? [14:00] or just /path/to/file.sh [14:01] you can do however you want [14:01] You need the exact name of the file [14:01] if you do sh /path/to/file, you wanna probably do /bin/sh instead of sh [14:01] since $PATH may not be set appropriately within your cron [14:02] if you do /path/to/file.sh, you need to make sure /path/to/file.sh is executable (chmod +x /path/to/file.sh) [14:04] done [14:04] thx [14:04] now I gotta go [14:04] gcleric: Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_configuration_management_software [15:10] New bug: #308548 in ec2-ami-tools "ec2-ami-tools patch for excluding persistent network files" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308548 [15:19] anyone running VMWare Server 2.0 on 8.10? [15:21] didrocks: is "(F2,F3,F4) is binded in (/, *, -)" in putty your customizations, or putty's defaults? [15:27] zul: ping [15:28] ivoks: hi [15:28] hi [15:28] what's up? [15:28] not much how are you? [15:28] great... i've merged bacula [15:28] a sec... phone [15:28] sweet...gimme :) [15:30] How do I limit my mail server to only send mails for clients when using login? [15:32] hi all. iss it possible to tell ufw to allow everything from eth1? [15:32] RoyK: not yet [15:33] can I use custom iptables rules with ufw in a clean way? [15:33] RoyK: sure-- just look in /etc/ufw/*.rules [15:33] those won't be overwritten with ufw? [15:34] RoyK: look at the pathname :) [15:34] RoyK: ufw allows configuration in /etc/ufw/before*.rules and /etc/ufw/after*.rules [15:34] ok [15:35] before and after ufw rules? [15:35] RoyK: see the NOTES section of the manpage [15:35] ok [15:35] thanks [15:56] hey ppl [15:58] i'm having a problem with my date configuration, apparently Ubuntu 8.04 is getting wrong values for UTC time, consecuently i cannot ntpdate synch to the Active Directory at the office (because of kerberos), anyone could give me a hand, or has a clue about this? [15:59] !ntp [15:59] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [15:59] change 7.10 to 8.04 though, heh [16:01] Deeps: thx, i'm checking it. (this looks like a weirder issue to me tho) [16:04] kirkland: putty's default, unfortunately :/ [16:05] didrocks: can i reproduce it on putty on Linux? or just windows? [16:06] "(F2,F3,F4) is binded in (/, *, -)" in putty? [16:06] kirkland: do not have the choice at work (windows XP only)… So, didn't tried in Linux [16:06] Deeps: for screen-profiles, I had this behavior [16:07] didrocks: so in putty, when you hit F2, what happens? [16:07] kirkland: it prints B [16:07] C, & D for F3, F4 [16:07] wierd [16:07] when i hitf2/f3/f4, i get: ~~~ [16:08] * Deeps grabs screen profiles now though anyway [16:08] yes, if you can confirm Deeps, it should be great :) [16:08] urr, heh, how? i'm looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles and i cant find anything on what PPA to add [16:09] kirkland: remember that it was on my server that I had some strange issues and have to use termcap xterm* instead of xterm [16:09] Deeps: add kirkland's ppa [16:09] Deeps: didrocks: not necessary ... [16:10] ? [16:10] which/what/how/where? lol [16:10] http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/screen-profiles/ [16:10] just install the deb [16:10] oki [16:10] http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/screen-profiles/screen-profiles_1.8-0ubuntu1_all.deb [16:10] worth updating the screen-profiles with some info on how to get it [16:10] urr, screen-profiles page on launchpad [16:11] Deeps: doing now ... [16:11] is there a dpkg option to automatically grab and install dependancies? [16:11] the menu on screen profiles doesn't like some terminals.. but I need to get round to filing a bug report. I presume thats going to be more of a terminal issue possibly [16:11] which is why I've not submitted a report yet whilst I test it a bit further. [16:12] e.g just now i got dependancy issue (missing python-newt), and i've manually apt-getted it, [16:12] Deeps: oh, well, dependency resolution is what you'd get from apt-get and my PPA :-) [16:12] lol [16:12] that's a no then [16:12] Deeps: apt-get -f install will fix that.. (I had to do it too for screen-profiles) [16:12] Deeps: dpkg is just a single package tool. It does not handle automatic dependencies resoution [16:12] lol, less /usr/share/doc/screen-profiles/README: see launchpad/screen-profiles! [16:13] didrocks: yeah thats what i figured, but there's always a chance there's been upgrades to it ;) [16:13] (that i'm unaware of!) [16:13] :) === dendrobates- is now known as dendrobates [16:15] ok, i guess i'm still needing to do something more as i start a screen and it all looks normal [16:15] and f2-f9 dont do anything [16:15] Deeps: run select-screen-profile [16:15] didrocks: okay, so here's what I can suggest .... [16:16] didrocks: the keybindings are defined in /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/common [16:16] hmm, [16:16] oh, wow that just took an age to load [16:16] Deeps: will do the first time, calculating updates available; next load should be instantaneous [16:17] didrocks: perhaps you can come up with some keybindings that work for putty [16:17] switched to ^G instead of ^A? brave [16:17] didrocks: if you do, we can check them in and store them in /usr/share/screen-profiles/keybindings/putty [16:17] didrocks: and add an option to the configuration screen to switch your keybinding profile [16:17] Deeps: yeah, i'm on the fence about that one .... [16:17] kirkland: ok, I will try to have a look tomorrow if I can find some useful keybindings [16:18] Deeps: ctrl-a breaks emacs and go-to-the-beginning-of-the-line [16:18] didrocks: thanks. feel free to open a bug in Launchpad to track this [16:18] i see [16:18] f2-f4 dont do anything on my putty either btw, i just get ~~~ output to the terminal [16:18] putty 0.60/winxp [16:18] Deeps: what about F9? [16:18] Deeps: and F8? [16:19] f5-f9 work as expected [16:19] kirkland: for sure. I will. I had some discussion with nijaba on what can be implemented (I have lots of ideas) and will try to have some time to enhance this. [16:19] Deeps: didrocks: oooh, interesting .... f5-f9 work [16:19] Deeps: didrocks: perhaps the putty profile would just adjust to those [16:19] kirkland: as for me. I only spoke about F{2..4} :) [16:19] okay, good [16:20] so i fully expect keybindings to be "hard" to solve everywhere [16:20] hard=impossible [16:20] which is why i created the keybindings/* dir [16:20] we [16:20] we'll need separate keybinding profiles, per terminal [16:20] yep [16:20] i've only been testing gnome-terminal and the tty console [16:20] yes, and have to switch between them? [16:21] out of interest, the red 18! i see to the left of my loadavg, thats how many packages i have that need upgrading? [16:21] didrocks: right, we'll add an option to the menu, to let you select your preferred profile [16:21] Deeps: yup [16:21] Deeps: that's what made the initial startup take ~5 seconds or whatever [16:22] kirkland: it's wrong then. i did an apt-get update just now, apt-get upgrade confirms 38 packages need updating, the number didnt changee. killed screen, started a new one, it still says 18! [16:22] Deeps: hmm, interesting, okay, test something for me ... [16:22] Deeps: btw, what version of Ubuntu are you running? [16:23] good question [16:23] hardy! [16:23] should tell you in the bottom left of the screen [16:23] okay ... [16:24] oh lol, yeah, i didnt see that [16:24] \o/ Ubuntu 8.04.1 [16:24] cute, i like the colours too [16:24] looks very ubuntu [16:24] Deeps: run, /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available [16:24] deeps@router:~$ /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available [16:24] 18! [16:24] kirkland: you got around to fixing ppas for that product? :-) [16:25] Deeps: okay, rm /var/tmp/updates-available-$USER [16:25] yeah i was just looking, my cache is < 60mins old [16:25] Nafallo: ? [16:25] Deeps: right [16:25] so it makes sense that it hasn't updated [16:25] Deeps: did you run the apt-get update *after* starting screen? [16:26] yep [16:26] Deeps: yeah, that'll do it ... [16:26] kirkland: remember we spoke about not having those packages in your private ppa since that would install a bunch of other things? :-) [16:26] Deeps: it'll pick up the update in <60 minutes [16:26] deeps@router:~$ /usr/share/screen-profiles/bin/updates-available [16:26] E: Failed to write temporary StateFile /var/lib/apt/extended_states.tmp [16:26] 39! [16:26] Deeps: but, you've reminded me about something interesting ... [16:26] Nafallo: ah, right! [16:26] Nafallo: well, it's in universe now :-) [16:26] kirkland: i tend to do everything in screen, force of habbit from when i was stuck with only a gprs connection [16:27] kirkland: unreliable connection, dont need stuff dying just cuz my terminal dropped off [16:27] Deeps: cool, i think you've got it [16:27] Deeps: nice [16:27] kirkland: hehe. only jaunty then :-). I'll wait for it then :-) [16:27] kirkland: 18! still showing in my screen though, it hasn't updated that still [16:27] Deeps: glad you like it then, please feed any instructions [16:27] Nafallo: well, you can install the Jaunty binary anywhere; it's version agnostic [16:28] kirkland: had to restart screen for it to show the updated count [16:28] kirkland: hehe. fair enough. [16:28] Nafallo: just wget that binary, and dpkg -i it [16:28] kirkland: dpkg :-O [16:28] Deeps: right so there's two ways we can solve that .... [16:28] kirkland: gdebi -i damnit ;-) [16:28] Deeps: we can bind a key to refresh your screen [16:28] Nafallo: :-P [16:29] kirkland: thats excellent though, i thought my machine and connection was being a bit sluggish, wouldn't have thought twice about it but saw in the bottom corner that system load was around 0.8, and promptly investigated and killed the rogue process [16:29] Deeps: hmm, what rogue process? [16:29] kirkland: scripted automated thing from elsewhere, problem in my code, nothing else [16:29] Deeps: ah, gotcha. glad you like ;-) [16:30] is very cool [16:30] Deeps: i think more about how to get your updates better [16:30] Deeps: fwiw, this is handled much more cleanly in Jaunty [16:30] cool [16:30] Deeps: see that conditional code in my updates-available script [16:30] Deeps: basically, jaunty maintains this information in /var/run/updates-available [16:30] aah, nice [16:31] Deeps: so my updates-available script doesn't have to do any hard work, just read that file [16:31] shame that wont get backported to hardy [16:31] Deeps: which i can do every 60 seconds or something [16:31] yep, that sounds like a plan [16:31] Deeps: cheers, thanks for testing [16:31] thank you! this is niice [16:31] Deeps: didrocks: I'll be interested to see what you blokes come up with for putty keybindings :-) [16:33] kirkland: I am at home now, so, no windows ATM. But I will give you that tomorrow :) [16:33] didrocks: sure, no rush [16:33] http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fscreen-users%40gnu.org%2Fmsg01525.html&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a [16:33] (me doesn't really care, as he no longer has to use putty!) [16:33] sheds some light [16:34] Deeps: ooooh, good one [16:34] * kirkland files a bug to track this [16:34] and infact, changing putty keybinds to xterm r6 resolves [16:34] kirkland: we searched with nijaba about getting more interactivity with screen (like, retrieving the list of currently opened windows in screen like :windows does. But it seems complicated) [16:34] Deeps: you have maybe to document that somewhere [16:35] good point [16:35] * Deeps files as a bug? [16:36] oh kirk's doing that already [16:36] yep :) [16:36] Deeps: i'm doing it [16:36] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen-profiles/+bug/317550 [16:36] Launchpad bug 317550 in screen-profiles "f1, f2, f3, f4 not working in putty" [Undecided,New] [16:36] subscribe if you like [16:36]