[00:00] that doesn't sound good [00:00] nah, I've packaged much more difficult games :) [00:01] so with what is on your site, what else needs to be done? [00:02] no, I got it [00:02] I just edited a game!! ;-) [00:02] :D [00:02] you should see the kids on it, they go nuts [00:02] :)))))))) [00:03] if you want I have some pictures of stuff made by kids [00:03] we have to upload enet before, btw [00:04] I'll try to update the codebase and such this weekend [00:04] lets fix and upload enet [00:05] so enet is the last piece of the puzzle? [00:05] and thanks so much both of you :D [00:05] enet 1.2 is the stable [00:05] thanks to you :) [00:06] the idea that this could happen wants to make me jump around [00:06] I'm trying to find out if goneri finally packaged enet [00:06] imagine how many more kids would have access, it is crazzyy [00:07] I gotta relax [00:07] :))) [00:08] :D [00:09] calimer: I sent you an email [00:09] okay [00:10] but that's sort of all I'm going to be able to work on it [00:10] did you see Baby's link too? [00:10] http://users.alioth.debian.org/~miriam/sandbox/ [00:10] well, there you go, forget my email then ;-) [00:11] I'll try to update it [00:11] I'm trying to dinf out if enet 1.2 is in debian or not [00:11] but is it about set then LaserJock besides the enet stuff? [00:11] but my connection si crap today [00:11] I can try to search too [00:12] calimer: I dont' know, I'd have to look at Baby's package [00:12] http://patch-tracking.debian.net/patch/debianonly/view/enet/1.2-1 [00:12] my guess is whatever Baby says is right ;-) [00:12] that what you are looking for baby? [00:12] maybe this more specifically [00:12] http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/enet/1.2-1 [00:12] packages.debian.org [00:13] I need it ti be in proper debian :) [00:15] okay [00:16] I'm still trying to open that web page :( [00:16] finally!!! [00:16] it's in experimental [00:17] wow guess it is going slow [00:17] http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libenet-dev [00:17] hopefully that isn't too bad [00:17] calimer: if Baby (and whoever else) can get sandboxlite into Debian by Valentines Day we can get it into Jaunty [00:17] awesome [00:17] we might not even really need enet [00:17] there might be a problem for getting it into sid [00:17] that is for the networking [00:18] getting it into experimental could be enough? [00:18] if people want to coop edit and such they will need enet [00:18] which is quite cool, especially for a teacher with students [00:18] but then they could just dl 2.3 I guess [00:19] i seem to remember that enet 1.1 wasn't enough [00:19] Baby: yeah, I think experimental would be enough for us to get it into Ubuntu [00:19] but 1,2 won't get into sid until Lenny release [00:19] cool :) [00:22] is there a difference between the code in lite and sandbox? [00:22] not in the data, in the code [00:24] yes [00:24] hmm [00:24] lite is a much older codebase [00:24] pity [00:24] but I am going to try to update the lite codebase, and data this weekend, or maybe even tonight [00:24] cool [00:24] my plan would be [00:25] to have a single sandbox-bin package, and then two data packages, sandbox-lite and sandbox-data [00:26] okay [00:26] it should hopefully be a quick thing [00:26] did I already send you my patches, btw? [00:26] just what you had on your webpage I think [00:28] I'll have to add the descriptions, and all that stuff [00:29] the package still builds :) [00:30] WOOo [00:30] so how much work is left really? [00:30] I'm trying to understand it all [00:30] I can probably get the code stuff done tonight [00:30] Baby: would sandbox-data be in non-free? [00:30] and then perhaps the new textures, if they end up working out okay, over the weekend [00:31] yup LaserJock [00:31] the lite version of the data should be okay in free though right? [00:31] but at least sandbox-lite would be in main [00:31] :D [00:31] and sandbox itself too [00:31] Baby: would you separate the source package? [00:31] otherwise it would have to go into contrib [00:31] yup [00:31] ok [00:31] I was just trying to think of how it would work in Ubuntu [00:32] it cannot contain non free stuff in main [00:32] not even the source [00:32] if they're separate source packages we can easily drop -data in Multiverse and the rest in Universe [00:32] Baby: right ok that's consistent with how we do it, good [00:33] I plan to generate -bin and -lite from main, and have -data in a different package in non-free [00:33] perfect [00:33] and then either depend o -lite | -data or make -lite and -data provide some common name [00:35] oki, package works [00:35] you could do -lite and -data-nonfree and have them both provide -data [00:35] now all the polish [00:35] yup, something like that [00:35] or -full [00:35] -lite and -full [00:35] yeah, that sounds good [00:36] so it sounds like it has a real chance to make it in [00:37] I'll upload my patches somewhere [00:38] we can put all that stuff on my site if you want [00:39] whatever we need hosted I can put on the site [00:39] http://users.alioth.debian.org/~miriam/sandbox/patches/ [00:39] should I put the other files you have on your apache on there too? [00:39] have a look at them if you want in case that something can be included in your side :) [00:40] I'll upload a newer version in a moment [00:41] I want to update the descriptions [00:41] I wish I had a way to give you upload access to a folder [00:42] but I can only do it so it gives access to all my sites [00:42] which are you updating? [00:43] and want all sandbox stuff from the apache on the site? [00:44] might as well [00:45] just one sec [00:46] LaserJock: if I upload enet to my PPA and later sandbox depending on it, will it get enet from there? [00:46] yep [00:50] great [00:51] I'll upload it to PPA then XD [00:51] now that I've learnt ;) [00:52] Baby: you can even make one PPA dependent on another [00:53] that goes a bit beyond my knowledge right now ;) [00:53] although that makes it more complicated for users [00:53] I use jaunty as distro in changelog? [00:55] you can do any supported Ubuntu release [00:55] but the idea is including it in jaunty, isn't it? [00:55] yes [00:56] but it's harder to get testing for it [00:56] cool, then jaunty will be :) [00:56] I'm so glad you guys know what you are doing [00:56] :) [00:56] if you want to get packages for Ubuntu users to use you'd want to do intrepid [00:56] but for your own testing Jaunty will be good [00:57] calimer: that's why we get paid the big bucks ;-) [00:57] can I upload it to both in PPA? [00:57] hopefully it is more than I get paid :D [00:58] Baby: you need to use different versions [00:58] that can be done :) [00:58] Baby: I *think* you can upload to one and the copy in the UI [00:58] I'll add a ~intrepid1 to the one in intrepid [00:58] but I tend to just do it the old fashioned way [00:59] we would normally do -0~intrepid0~ppa1 perhaps [00:59] it's not a big deal [01:00] how long :) [01:00] I think they like people to use ~ppaX to signify it's from a ppa [01:00] you have no idea [01:00] I'm doing -0miry1 :) [01:00] we can usually double or triple the length of Debian versions [01:00] part of being a derivative [01:01] in maemo they do something like that [01:01] and one of the packages broke the synaptic-like program they use for a friend of mine [01:02] too long version name, so GUI went mad :P [01:03] Baby: this is a version of Flash we had: 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2 [01:04] wowwwwwww [01:04] and I even know what that means ;-) [01:04] 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2+reallyreally+iswearit1+true [01:04] XD [01:05] heh [01:05] btw I really like this article [01:05] http://www.gameculture.com/node/597 [01:05] Baby: here's a PPA version 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2 [01:06] Baby: so they do -0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppaX [01:06] quite crazy, isn't it? [01:07] well, it ensures that any official release will override it [01:07] whether it be the main archive or -updates, -security, -backports [01:07] calimer: :) [01:07] :D [01:07] I think I will brb and work on updating this codebase [01:08] I've used this description: [01:08] Description: cooperative 3D game design tool for kids - lite game data [01:08] Platinum Arts Sandbox is a game design tool based on the Cube 2 engine [01:08] that allows users to quickly and easily create and edit their own worlds [01:08] while playing the game, even cooperatively. [01:08] LaserJock: yup, I know the rationale behaind it :) [01:10] I have been using 3D game maker more recently [01:10] as in like the last few days [01:10] whatever gets it the most hits [01:11] :) [01:15] what do you think sounds better, game maker or game design tool? [01:16] and I'm working on updating this source right now :D [01:16] hmm [01:16] probably game maker sounds better [01:17] cooperative 3D Game Design Tool for kids and adults [01:17] game design tool sounds too abstract, like doing it on paper but never implementing it :) [01:17] btw I have an updated thing I lik emore [01:17] let me get it [01:17] design as in different than implementation [01:17] :) [01:18] Platinum Arts Sandbox is an open source easy to use standalone 3D Game Maker and 3D Game Design program currently being used in many schools throughout the world that allows kids and adults to create their own video games, worlds, levels, adventures and quests, even cooperatively! The goal is to make it accessible to kids but also powerful enough for full game projects. With a simple click and roll of a mouse wheel users can modif [01:18] y the world however they want. In the words of Margaret, a nine year old Sandbox whiz I babysit for, “Press Edit and go fulfill your dreams!”. Now features new game modes such as sidescroller, machinima, kartmode, RPG, and more! [01:18] wow, you write even longer sentences than I! [01:18] :) [01:18] that is my brief version :D [01:18] XD [01:20] Platinum Arts Sandbox is an open source tool to make 3D games in an easy way :) [01:21] s/to make/to design and make/ [01:21] whatever gets em coming :D [01:22] ;) [01:25] almost ready to test this code update [01:26] :) [01:26] my web doesn't work anymore [01:26] D: [01:26] maybe something with my ISP or the router [01:26] what is going on with it? [01:26] simply times out [01:27] every page [01:27] sometimes for me just turning off the power of my router and then on again helps [01:27] yup, I'll do that, but I'll go to sleep too then [01:27] can you tell me if in https://launchpad.net/~miry/+archiventhe enet package built properly? [01:28] it should have a green tick [01:28] or a moving circle if it's still compiling [01:28] it says error not found [01:28] oh [01:28] is the end of that link right? [01:28] sorre [01:29] https://launchpad.net/~miry/+archive [01:29] hmm I forgot I need to use 2.3 code [01:29] not what is in the svn [01:30] :) [01:30] as soon as enet is compilet I'll upload sandbox and go to sleep [01:32] :D [01:33] so when you wake up tomorrow I should have the source updated [01:33] I'll send you an e-mail with the new package [01:33] cool :) [01:34] I think I got everything, now gotta compile and test [01:35] there is only one thing I am hmm about [01:35] there is a new sidescroller mode where you can jump on an enemies head and make it fall over and disappear [01:35] though lite won't have the models to show the enemies or the player anyway [01:36] should I just keep it in anyway? [01:36] since it is part of the "non debian free" version [13:48] hi, all [13:54] updating my image so I can log in from my school's laptops [13:54] wish me luck! [14:10] OK, so suddenly a package has replaced my dhcpd.conf, so I found and replaced it with a backup that looks exactly like my original, and dhcp3-server still won't start [14:10] but I should have a better-working image now! :-P [14:34] is there a way to make a generic user -- one that's the same on any terminal, has few enough priv's, and can run firefox without it complaining the second time it's run? [14:36] hmm, I thought that was already fixed [14:37] what release u running? [14:54] Edubuntu Hardy Heron, 8.04 [14:55] actually, this is edubuntu installed on top of ubuntu [14:55] I mean, it was a desktop machine and then I wanted to use it as my server at my school [14:56] and using your fatclient script gives a GPG error for medibuntu [14:58] not sure why [14:59] but it seems to depend on packages on that server [14:59] or maybe I just have a list of crap servers in my sources.list [15:01] yeah because there is no gpg key add command in the script... u need to force it to use unsigned packages [15:01] ah [15:02] just with -f or --force? [15:02] got it [15:02] --allow-unauthenticated [15:02] thats the one [15:03] --accept-unsigned-packages [15:03] maybe allow-authenticated is the same [15:13] is that from the ltsp-build-client? [15:20] I think I got it [15:20] I edited your script [15:24] yeah [15:32] I am trying to install edubuntu on a netbook with the edubuntu iso file mounted. How do I launch the add-on? [15:34] hello? anyone available? [15:35] mib_dp49tl: Not sure. [15:36] ok, thanks! [15:39] I always just burn the cd and insert mrt [15:39] argh internet slowing down. [15:45] yeah, me too. I just don't have a cd on this little netbook. [15:45] add-on cd should just autostart [15:46] u can put it on a usb stick, or mount the iso [15:46] if you've just downloaded it [15:46] I have copied the contents to a usb drive, but it will not autostart. [15:47] I have launched the cdromupgrade script, but it only does the ubuntu upgrade [15:48] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html [15:49] I have mounted the iso using mount command, but it won't autostart the edubuntu install. I am downloading the iso again, just in case I have a corrupt copy. [15:53] strange, and u clicked on the mounted disk? [15:56] I am new to linux... but here is how I mounted it: mount edubuntu.iso /cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop [15:56] and u clicked on cdrom to see the contents and launch the autorun? [15:56] u probably shouldn't mount it at /cdrom [15:57] ok, I'll try to mount it at another point. [16:01] I mounted it at /iso. I am able to see the contents of the folder, but it does not autorun. I think that I may just get out my ide-usb adapter and hook up a cdrom drive. [16:05] highvoltage: yeah, I've been dugg all right. Right now #2 in linux/unix [16:05] if I would have known people were going to read it that much I would have been more careful about how I wrote it :( [16:05] LaserJock: awesome. glad to see that your site is handling it nicely too. [16:06] LaserJock: if you did, it probably wouldn't have gotten dugg [16:06] :-) [16:06] highvoltage: that's why I'm on wordpress.com [16:06] LaserJock: aaah [16:06] highvoltage: I got dugg once before, ~30k hits in one day [16:07] I changed hosting to a dedicated server when I got dugg, and then I never got dugg since :) [16:07] the interesting thing about digg is it gives you hits for a long time afterword [16:07] yeah [16:08] I still get quite a few from the original one like 1.5 years ago [16:08] I wish I was more careful though, after reading the digg comments [16:08] you can't, it's impossible [16:08] there's always someone who will show you something that you could've done better [16:08] well, another post I think might be in order [16:08] a good blog entry now is better than a better one tomorrow [16:09] because I want to talk about new devices and getting software to kids *before* school [16:09] a lot of people say "school doesn't matter they have Windows at home" [16:09] but I think we're also going to get those people via netbooks and newer devices like the classmate [16:10] LaserJock: have u looked at salasaga? [16:11] no, I haven't [16:11] there were some questions about a tool to create learning objects [16:11] rather than using edu apps [16:12] http://www.salasaga.org/ seems to be the answer [16:12] nubae: like plasmoids? [16:12] I looked at it briefly when you mentioned it before but I have tried it or anything [16:12] nto sure what plasmoids is/are [16:14] it's kinda hard to explain [16:14] but basically KDE widgets [16:15] ah right, yeah now I know what u mean [16:15] there's some really big potential there i think for educators [16:15] these are .swf files that are like edu tutorials with some interactive parts [16:15] and aseigo at least seems really eager to help [16:16] yeah I saw the last couple days, a lot of activity in here [16:17] the trick is to turn excitement into progress [16:17] well, we definitly have people wanting to contribute now [16:17] seems like the edubuntu community is growing again [16:18] I'll be at Fossdem in February, and I'll try promoting it a bit there too [16:18] i have a question. i know there is a progarm that will create flash type of presentations in linux. however recently i've been struggling with digging through hundreds of programs to find that one jewel. whereas as a windows user, i would simple go to adobe and get a flash creator and then do it htere. another example is screen recording, etc. [16:18] fossdem sounds like it's going to be awesome [16:18] will u be there? [16:18] nope [16:19] Ahmuck: salasaga [16:19] is there a set of packages that would allow gui tutorials without having to dig and dig to find the right one? [16:19] maybe I'll go next year. [16:19] yeah, its close to where I'm at... 59€ [16:19] ah, yes, that is the one i was thinking about ealier. does edubuntu list these? [16:19] Ahmuck: its being considered [16:19] but its still alpha software [16:19] is it possible that edubuntu could package catagories of the best / educator friendly software? [16:20] I don't know if it would even belong in universe app bundle [16:20] Ahmuck: are u on the edubuntu-devel list? [16:20] we had a discussion on there about that [16:34] nubae: nope [16:35] i tend to avoid devel lists [16:35] the edubuntu one is quite tame... [16:35] k, ill look at it [16:35] u have a link [16:35] Ahmuck: don't avoid us, we don't bite :-) [16:36] * Ahmuck looks at other dev scars and considers [16:36] k, i'm going to start making video tutorials [16:37] excellent [16:37] point me to a link to sign up and i'll sign up on the dev list on a wait and see option === Ahmuck is now known as Wassenburg === Wassenburg is now known as wass_clone [16:38] Ahmuck: the -devel list pretty much like the -users list except we talk about more stuff that we talk about in here === wass_clone is now known as Ahmuck [16:39] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [16:39] heh heh, i forget when you nick change it's across all channels [16:41] * Ahmuck picked batch mode [16:41] dont! [16:42] I really really wish I could get rid of that option :( [16:42] the digests are only good if you never ever ever plan on replying to a message [16:43] yeah [16:43] and since -devel has less traffic than -users it's not much of a benefit [16:49] I gotta run [16:50] but make sure to digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Why_we_need_Edubuntu_to_succeed [16:50] it even made Boycott Novell ;-) === You're now known as ubuntulog [18:25] http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 [18:33] I just think those kind of reports are totally misleading [18:33] If this girl doesn't take the time to go review or read up about ubuntu, especially considering she's never heard of it before, she shouldn't be using it [18:34] if she bought a new dvd recorder or oven or whatever, she'd have to look at the damn manual... [18:34] why does she think it should be different for an even more advanced piece of equipment [18:43] she didnt [18:44] she didnt notice she bought ubuntu, she just picked the cheapest offer ... when she had ubuntu on the laptop she bought, she called dell to get windows [18:44] dell told her she will be fine with ubuntu [18:44] I mean after she got the laptop [18:44] dell convinced her it was a good choice [18:44] right [18:45] which was wrong, they talked her into it [18:45] yeah, but thats sales and marketing... people also talk vista users into getting that piece of crap [18:45] when she figured it wasnt the case and called dell again they said they wouldnt give her windows [18:45] part of the game, even though its totally immoral and wrong :-) [18:45] which caused her to go to the press [18:46] but she chose to spend no time to get to know her system [18:46] she didnt want to [18:46] and thats the point [18:46] right, but she agreed with dell to keep ubuntu [18:47] but found out she doesnt get along with it [18:47] and got told off the second time [18:48] yeah that was wrong... but she should still taken at least an hour to get to know her system [18:48] she took several days before she called dell and asked for windows [18:48] I've installed ubuntu for many beginners, that never heard of it before... and when they took the time, they all saw that it was possible to open .docs, and that it was possible to get on the internet easily [18:48] i've found it's easier to introduce people to linux via linux only apps. those apps that are show stopers [18:49] hugin, evolution, etc [18:49] nubae, but she didnt have anyone showing it to her, was desperate and just wanted to get what she knows ... [18:49] yes, in several days she didn't see openoffice openned .docs... [18:50] My grandmother would figure that out in a couple hours [18:50] my mom does ... but she is open to it [18:50] right [18:50] this girl wasnt but dell forced her into it [18:50] and its her godgiven right to go to the press with that [18:51] yeah, I'm just annoyed at the reporter misleading [18:51] watch the show, the article puts it in a worse light than the show actually is [18:51] ogra: You know, Ubuntu could have a real public relations coup here [18:52] I think that whole thing is lame - people have to learn new interfaces all the time with M$ Office (ribbon bar?), Vista, etc...what's the diff here? [18:52] Lns: none, I agree with u [18:52] sbalneav, it already does ... sadly not the most positive one [18:52] Shuttleworth should phone her *personally*, and point her how to save her documents in Word [18:52] Imagine the press: [18:52]