[00:00] not sure.. i thought tonio said he was packaging it. thats why i asked [00:23] This is really annoying. For some reason, ever since I went back to intrepid, I can no longer create a jaunty pbuilder. I have tried several times, but it always complains about not being able to resolve archive.ubuntu.com\ [01:06] it looks like akonadi depends on mysql-client-5.0 but amarok depends on mysql-client-5.1 on jaunty [01:09] yes, apparently you can't have both installed at the moment [01:11] ok, thanks, I hope it gets fixed soon =) [04:44] seele: I think it (kpackagekit) is still in the New queue. In any case it's not in Main yet, so can't be on the CD. [05:54] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha3/Kubuntu is where the Ubuntu release announement will point to for Kubuntu release notes. [05:54] * ScottK really hopes nixternal has put something there. [06:20] nixternal: Looks nice [06:23] thank you sir [06:24] * ScottK added a bit of bad news and took out the Kmail returns bit as it didn't, in the end, fit on the alternate CDs and I don't know if it is still on the Live or note. [06:24] hehe [06:24] nixternal: How'd the archive reorg call go? [06:24] note/not [06:24] painful [06:24] How was the result? [06:24] for 1 hour talk talk talk, then at the end, oh, we will just send out the email [06:25] in otherwards, they should have just started an email thread about it in the first place [06:25] Sounds typical. [06:25] results = NULL [06:25] What's email gonna say? [06:25] Go read the spec? [06:25] I hope not, because the spec is garbage [06:25] cjwatson has been editing it a lot today and yesterday. [06:26] the archive reorg has potential, they just need to clarify the hell out of it first, otherwise people are going to get scared [06:26] ya, because mark tasked him with everything [06:26] * ScottK is subscribed to the page and he's been spamming my inbox. [06:26] hehe [06:26] Well I think he's a good guy for the job. [06:26] hell ya, way to knowledgeable too [06:27] I also think he really gets what Ubuntu would want out of this and not just what Canonical would want. [06:28] Speaking of Mark, did you see the pasting I sent to ubuntu-devel yesterday about this whole Desktop Experience thing? [06:29] ya [06:29] and today on my gnome desktop, I saw the first round of annoying ass notifications [06:30] It'll be interesting to see how it works out. [06:30] at least now, all notifications have the option to shut them up forever [06:30] That's good. [06:31] the only notifications I want are: you've got mail, foo has crashed, and the one everyone hates "are you sure you want to quit?" [06:32] I hate the KDE4 logout now because it is so easy to accidentally shutdown when trying to reboot, or vice-versa [06:32] I like the quassel notifications when I get hilighted. [06:32] I did for a while, then I got tired of it...if I am not looking at my irc screen, I am probably working..and if I am working, I don't want to be bothered at that time [06:33] anywho, time for bed [06:33] g'nite [06:34] Good night. [07:33] moin [07:33] hum, was there a security bug in the kernel? [07:33] got another kernel image update [07:33] and I'm asked to reboot.. [07:33] the rebooting thing is getting really not nice :) [07:33] reminds me of vista [07:34] * markey kills the update notifier [07:35] * markey wants live-patching capability of the kernel :) [07:36] someone was working on that, I need to google it [07:49] markey: kexec [07:50] has been around for years, but for some reason, it's hardly used [07:51] Sput: ah yes [07:51] Sput: is the technology.. usable? [07:51] no idea [07:51] as if robust and safe? [07:51] yeah [07:52] me neither [07:52] but it's highly interesting, imho [07:52] especially for servers [07:56] meh [07:56] * Sput migrates to work [08:46] anyone know how to get -dev packages for NEON? [08:46] I'm having great trouble with building amarok against it [08:46] picks up KDE 4.1 [08:47] and fubars [08:47] building works, but runtime linking is hosed. amarok runs with KDElibs 4.1, and tries to use KIO-Slaves from 4.2 [08:47] which is.. wrong on so many levels [08:48] it craps out [09:34] kontact keeps on crashing when connect to gamil via imap, anyone encountered this? [10:31] markey: are you using neonmake? [10:31] jcastro: Congratulations! [10:33] Nightrose: ah, no. using normal cmake/make stuff [10:34] Nightrose: can you explain how to use neonmake? [10:35] markey: neonmake is a wrapper around cmake that sets all the stuff that is needed correctly for neon [10:35] great, thanks :) [10:35] will try [10:35] have a look at apachelogger's blog [10:35] ok [10:35] he wrote about it [11:15] is the akonadi dependancy on mysql-server-5.0 in jaunty a known problem at the moment? [11:16] Tonio_: are you going to reupload kpackagekit? [11:16] mrvanes: yes [11:16] there's a bit of a dependancy conflict between mysql-server-5.0 and 5.1 [11:17] we're working on it [11:17] Ok, thx! [11:18] Another question: I have libmsn, but still no msn in kopete, is that known? [11:19] it would need a recompile [11:19] but that has recently take place for 4.1.96, didn't it? [11:20] no [11:20] Ah... ok, clear [11:20] And last: I don't seem to have irc plugin in kopete, is that also known? [11:22] Nightrose: I don't seem to have NeonMake. do you know where it is? [11:22] mrvanes: there isn't one [11:23] has that been removed recently? [11:24] I'm quite sure kopete used to have irc support? [11:25] mrvanes: removed in KDE 4 port [11:25] Ok, that's all.... good luck on the Akonadi problem! [11:28] anyone know where to get neonmake? [11:28] markey: it is in one of the packages but no idea whichsorry [11:28] apachelogger has a way of writing blogs that I can't parse ;) [11:28] I read it like 3 times [11:28] build something probably [11:32] markey: amarok-nightly-tools: /usr/bin/neonmake [11:34] nota bene: I don't want to install amarok-nightly [11:34] I hope that won't pull it in [11:34] nop [11:35] just deps on ruby [11:35] ok cool [11:38] mark@Hyperion:~/kde/build/amarok$ neonmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/kde -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull $HOME/kde/src/amarok [11:38] You are not in the 'build' directory and there is no 'build' directory nor a 'CMakeLists.txt' file in this directory!!!!!!!!!! [11:38] hmm [11:38] how to use it correctly? [11:41] ah [11:42] it does make a few assumptions over your folder layout [11:43] building now [11:43] let's see [12:00] good lord, neonmake is slooooooooooooow [12:00] gotta make it use -j3 or so [12:14] hi markey [12:14] yo Tm_T [12:21] Hmmm... are the MD5SUMS on the daily images out of date? rsync claims that the images match, but md5sum clais they don't [12:22] s/clais/claims/g [12:23] hmm, with NEON, kde locks my desktop after 5 minutes non-usage, although I disabled all screen savers [12:23] bceb82f10a43975f1c212f09f0d0aa5f jaunty-alternate-i386.iso [12:23] ryanakca: ^^ === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [12:23] is that a bug, or just me being stupid? [12:23] ryanakca: was that the one you're after? [12:23] *nod* [12:23] Riddell: I'll rm it and try again [12:23] I got: 4e3fa4923fa7466227316d1264e69ff9 jaunty-alternate-i386.iso [12:24] ryanakca: rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso . [17:25] Anyone else have issues to consider for quassel? [17:26] apachelogger: What do you think about putting the SSL cert in /etc so it's a conffile and if there's a user generated cert, it doesn't automatically get over-written? [17:27] ScottK: useful because? [17:28] apachelogger: Because SSL along doesn't let you know you're truly talking to who you think you are. It protects again observation of an existing connection. [17:28] To be protected against a true MITM attack you've have to validate the cert against a CA. [17:29] So it the user created their own cert, we shouldn't just arbitrarily overwrite it. [17:29] Something like that. [17:34] ScottK: quassel doesn't do that anyway? [17:34] or does it by now? [17:35] No. [17:35] Your autogenerated cert isn't signed by a CA. [17:35] SSL is really designed to prevent post-connection snooping (which we now do). [17:36] The MITM protection afforded by signed certs was a bolt on. [17:36] ScottK: well, my point is quassel doesn't give a crap who signed the cert ;-) [17:36] well, the core yells at you :) [17:36] define yelling [17:36] and we might look into relaying that info to the client and display a different icon in that case [17:36] it spits out a warning on the shell [17:37] Which no one would ever see. [17:37] yep [17:37] righto [17:37] Since we just run the daemon. [17:37] changing the statusbar icon in the client could be feasible, but I need to check that with EgS [17:37] apachelogger: I don't think it's urgent, but I do think we (with upstream) need to get this sorted. [17:38] apachelogger: See my earlier rants about DNS cache poisoning. [17:38] first upstream then we, don't worry about problems that aren't our problems yet :P [17:38] what we probably can't do is asking the client for advice, i.e. displaying a messagebox asking if we should proceed - QSslSocket needs an immediate decision [17:38] Sput: The first thing I think is to give the user a warning if the cert is changed. [17:39] If it's changed, just don't connect [17:39] Kind of like SSH does if the fingerprint is changed. [17:39] *nod* [17:40] Which if they did, we wouldn't want to over-write an existing cert at all automatically. [17:40] Sput: we need a way to override $defaultcertpath ... maybe some start argument ... so our init script can check if $usercreatedcert is available and if not inovke core with a generic cert in /etc [17:41] mhm [17:41] that reminds me, I have some patches to apply in the ssl department [17:41] * Sput tries to rememember what they did [17:41] * apachelogger goes back to parsing lp [17:43] Sput: SSL is currently working in the sense that I can't sniff my password anymore. [17:43] Sput: Is there a way we can set the default to SSL for quassel-client connecting to quassel-core? [17:44] ah, that should be default anyway [17:44] * Sput wonders why it isn't [17:44] It may be just a carryover in my case. [17:45] no I think it's like that [17:45] but we don't handle gracefully if the core doesn't support ssl [17:45] so that might be a problem [17:45] * Sput opens a BR [17:46] Sput: Which of you is the person to talk to about buildiing with -DLINGUAS=.... [17:47] ScottK: probably me [17:47] OK. If I get stuck, I'll ping you. Thanks. [17:50] ScottK: by default, we build all available languages [17:50] -DLINGUAS is for restricting those [17:50] Ah [17:50] Well then I'm missing a build-dep or something. [17:50] oh? [17:51] hmmm, does cmake spit a warning related to lrelease? [17:51] No translations in any .deb [17:51] I'm bulding with logging enabled now and I'll check. [17:51] * ScottK forgot that the last time. [17:51] you'll need lrelease for generating the translations for now [17:52] we are looking into alternatives, either supporting pre-generated language files or switching to gettext rather than Qt linguist, but I'm not sure if that'll happen for 0.4 [17:52] we didn't get the gettext stuff to work yet :/ [17:55] It's generating them (I look at the last official build https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/0.4.0~git090113-0ubuntu1/+build/837388/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.quassel_0.4.0~git090113-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz) [17:55] They just don't seem to end up in either the .deb or list missing. [17:55] oh, they should be integrated in the binary [17:56] Sput: hey, feature request before I forget: when someone privmsgs you, his name should be the color you've chosen for highlights, not for standard messages :] [17:56] maybe you do have translations? [17:56] Oh [17:56] Maybe I do, but that kind of makes language packs tough. [17:56] you can check in F7 -> Appearance -> General [17:56] yes [17:56] Sure enough [17:56] I think at the very least we should support adding .qm files separately [17:57] Riddell: ^^^ Translations are there, just embedded in the binary [17:57] I'll put that in the tracker too [17:57] OK. [17:57] That may well end up on the 'must have' list. [17:57] Riddell: Can rosetta deal with .qm files? [17:58] ScottK: no (but I wouldn't have thought you'd consider that a bad thing :) [17:58] Riddell: I'm trying set my personal feelings aside and work with the system .... [17:59] Besides, if it's split out it makes it smaller on the CD [17:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/105638/ that is way too lame [17:59] Riddell, when you plan to upload kde4libs? [17:59] * apachelogger needs to find a better way to tear lp apart :S [18:00] Riddell, I assume after freeze, right? [18:00] seele: Thanks for the info. I've looked at the screenshots before, but I don't think they depict every step of the process. Let's hope Daniel will work with us [18:00] ScottK: lang packs are though anywy, since rosetta doesn't support qt translations [18:01] Sounds like unless they move to gettext embedded is fine. [18:01] ScottK: we tried to run them through gettext, which spit out qm files which should be usable for quassel, but for some reason that didn't work [18:01] * apachelogger didn't care because it's really a rosetta issue and not ours :P [18:01] Right [18:02] apachelogger: oh my [18:02] scary code [18:03] Considering the language pack crap we had at the last release, I have a hard time getting worked up over making life easy for Rosetta. [18:03] you know there's like tons of super cool html parsers in ruby? :] [18:03] smarter: that would help how? [18:03] * apachelogger could run a regexp among the whole thing and store matches in an array [18:03] wouldn't be any less hackish though [18:04] ScottK: the .qm files embedded in the binary are not very large (about 50K per language), but yeah I do see the reasoning [18:04] anyway, once I have a sane way to get the data from lp putting it into a status tracker is fairly easy [18:04] I will tackle the build system over the weekend [18:04] technically I just need to do a rails scaffold ;D [18:04] anyway [18:05] ScottK: I will also look for a way to simplify all the resource-related cmake options we have now, and probably offer a blanket -DEMBED_DATA or somesuch [18:05] * apachelogger needs to take a shower and join some friends for dinner [18:05] cya [18:05] bugs filed, assigned, targeted for 0.4 [18:05] Great. [18:07] Riddell, did you respond to my ping, or did I just loose my mind? [18:07] Hmmm. [18:07] * ScottK assigns a high probability to both events. [18:07] NCommander: He did respond to your ping or we've both lost it. [18:08] * NCommander whacks ScottK [18:08] I personally don't care if my patch or upstreams gets used [18:08] I just want kde4libs building on ARM :-) [18:13] * ScottK too [18:21] NCommander: probably not, I'm busy doing install testing [18:21] * NCommander shrugs [18:21] I'm not picky either or, I just need the archive to defrost :-) [18:22] * seele wonders when Jono is going to respond to the college student who got an Ubuntu laptop issue [18:25] seele: I'm sure he will be as proactive about such issues as he always is. [18:39] ScottK waves \o [18:39] hehe [18:39] Testing the new snapshot. [18:41] Sput: The right-click stuff 'feels' more solid. [18:42] * quassel88 notes that rickspencer3 and I have the same cel phone provider ;-) [18:45] Sput: I just checked and when I 'add' a new core the default is SSL not checked. We rather want the opposite. [18:46] ScottK: yeah, BR filed [18:46] OK. [19:02] * ScottK grumbles at apachelogger. [19:02] You're find the pid file and notice if quassel-core is already running doesn't appear to be working. [19:03] you're/your [19:03] * ScottK waves his hands \\o/ and declares it good anyway. [19:03] * ScottK uploads [19:04] * seele waits for the good word [19:04] That was for Jaunty. I'll toss one at my PPA too. [19:08] lool, ping [19:13] seele: It's uploaded to the PPA. Just give it a bit to build [19:14] ScottK: ok thanks [19:37] seele: It's built. No easy way to tell if the binary is published yet. [19:45] ScottK: i just downloaded the .deb from your PPA site, that seems to have worked ok [19:46] seele: OK. The right click stuff should be better now. [19:48] ScottK: cool, thanks [19:49] seele_q: ping [19:49] weird.. i only got my notification after the second one [19:49] seele_q: ping [19:50] oh, that's nice how the hole line lights up instead of just your nick name [19:57] ghostcube: pong [19:57] ghostcube: But I'm going afk [19:57] ghostcube: So it's cool if you can test the de langpack: revert to the broken xine-lib and try upgrading the langpack [19:58] lool, hi i just wanna say the problems with the deco of dolphin and konsole is away i fixed it by removing the rc files of both apps [19:58] ghostcube: If you can test kdelibs downgrade, that's even better [19:58] ghostcube: Was this problem related to xine? [19:59] nope seems to be wired kwin prob not creating the window in window normal mde it makes it fullscreen no idea why but after removing all worked fine again the only thing i have is the crash report at startup for kwin but this is libc6 related [19:59] the xine prob is fixed by the new packages from you and the proposed ones from today [20:00] this wasnent happening as i used the 4.1.3 runtimes that we testet before the xine-lib thing [20:01] the kwin crash [20:02] so everything seems to work like in 4.1.3 execpt this startup crash report and i cant tell u exactly whats causing this [20:03] but this seems not to be a hughe thing cause evrything is acting "normal" [20:03] ghostcube: Ok; I mostly care about this xine issue [20:03] I'm not tracking all KDE issues closely [20:04] :) np but for me the xine prob is fixed with the new packages all crashes i get before relating to xine are gone [20:05] syst3emsettings work fine again amarok2 works fine again dragonplayer works again all like it should [20:06] ghostcube: Ok; I'm interested in more info on the xine issue, but otherwise I'll leave it here [20:06] Thanks, and bye! [20:06] * lool & [20:06] ok bye [20:30] Are we still considering to want to support Hardy --> Jaunty upgrades from KDE3? [20:36] ScottK: I don't think we can, Ubuntu doesn't support it and we can't fix every single package in the archive so that it works for people having gnome installed or any other stuff that could break [20:39] OK. I played around in a chroot yesterday and there's only one KDE related package conflict. [20:39] It should be easy enough to work around. === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [21:01] Does anyone know if there is a replacement package for kooka in kde 4.2? [21:04] skanlite [21:05] ScottK: thank you for the quassel update, but I report that the minimize to tray function still not work [21:05] * smarter just noticed trolltech.com^Wqtsoftware.com is now available in 5 languages (: [21:13] * NCommander is still in shcok on the OMG Qt is LGPL [21:18] torkiano: yes, working on that [21:18] as in, there is something fishy going which we try to pinpoint [21:21] [18:56:03] Sput: hey, feature request before I forget: when someone privmsgs you, his name should be the color you've chosen for highlights, not for standard messages :] [21:22] uh, I didn't understand what you mean :) [21:23] in the list on the left(buffer view?), with chans and nicknames of people who pms you [21:26] the nicknames don't appear in the hl color when someone speak to you, imho it should since this person is directly speaking to you [21:26] Sput: is it clearer or is my English that bad after 10PM? :] [21:27] smarter: if you speak to me, the message is highlighted [21:27] pP [21:27] oO [21:27] or do you mean that queries should be colored differently in the buffer list? [21:28] yes, that's probably what I mean :D [21:32] Sput: verstehst du was ich sage jetzt? :] [21:32] vielleicht :) [21:32] * ScottK summons the spirit of ace KDE triager JontheEchidna. [21:32] bugs.quassel-irc.org -> else I will probably forget [21:33] oh hai there [21:33] JontheEchidna: Would you please have a look at bug #317983 [21:33] Launchpad bug 317983 in meta-kde "ksmserver crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317983 [21:33] 'kay [21:33] thx :) [21:33] My totally wild guess is they didn't get the rebuilt quickaccess [21:33] digikam 0.10.0-beta8 problems here (digikam starts but cant see any pics on albums), Lure around? [21:34] samppa: hi! intrepid or jaunty? [21:34] hmmmm [21:34] hi Lure, intrepid [21:34] Sput: actually, I might even try to provide you a patch since it shouldn't be too hard to patch (: [21:34] samppa: you use digikam-experimental ppa? [21:34] even better :) [21:35] Lure: yes [21:35] though I'm still not sure why one would want that [21:35] samppa: with 4.2rc (kubuntu-experimental)? [21:35] ScottK: probably a dupe of bug 317795 [21:35] Launchpad bug 317795 in kdebase-workspace "KDE-4.2-rc1 plasma instantly crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/317795 [21:35] Lure: yes [21:35] * Lure is not sure if rebuild would be needed due to rc changes... [21:36] samppa: can you start it from command line and paste terminal output somewhere? [21:37] Lure: yes, or i can paste the errors that appear in .xsession-errors [21:37] JontheEchidna: Ubuntu Release was concerned about it, so please triage 'em up. [21:37] sure thing [21:37] no clue why it would say ksmserver was crashing rather than plasma... [21:38] samppa: this sounds like rebuild is needed, will upload packages to force rebuild [21:38] ok, thanks in advance [21:38] Sput: well, I've got standard messages in green and highlights in red, if someone privmsg me, I might not see it since my eyes aren't attracted by the green [21:39] ok [21:39] well, we could just try it out and see how the users react :) [21:39] Sput: and this makes sense too since highlights are just a way to let know someone you're talking to him [21:40] Riddell: Thanks, that one worked :) [21:42] * smarter will take a look at quassel's code tomorrow [21:42] 'night everyone [21:53] samppa: digikam and kipi-plugins uploaded, should build in hour or so [21:54] samppa: same problem in jaunty - so thanks for finding it out [21:54] * Lure uploads digikam/jaunty [21:55] Lure: thanks for quick fix, i'll be glad to try new packages tomorrow [22:44] ScottK: have you tried the live CD? do you get the crash slangasek was having? [22:44] jings, the default colours for konsole now are crazy [22:49] Riddell: i just did a fresh install with the cd [22:50] live cd worked fine [22:51] Riddell: patch konsole to ship Linux colors by default :P [22:55] linux colors +1 [22:57] vorian: thanks please add to iso testing site if you havn't already [22:58] i prefer white/black over linux colours but either isbetter than light grey on not so light grey [23:00] white on black looks like it's glowing.. but probably looks better in well lit rooms [23:03] * JontheEchidna uses linux colors with the Inconsolata font [23:06] Riddell: I have not tried the liveCD, but I only have i386 here anyway. [23:07] * ScottK needs to get back to chopping tomatoes for bruschetta [23:07] We're having a party at the house tonight and my wife got delayed at work, so I get to play chef in the meantime ... [23:07] party! [23:08] As an added bonus it's all people from her work who I've met approximately twice. [23:09] vorian: did you test i386 or amd64? [23:10] ScottK: are you still bringing $MIDDLE_CHILD to the linux chix meeting on sunday? [23:10] seele: Yes. $YOUNGEST too if that's OK (got no baby sitter) [23:11] ScottK: i dont think it will be a problem, during normal business hours it's a family-oriented restaurant [23:11] Great. [23:12] you've got a 17 year old daughter. what do you mean you have no baby sitter? [23:12] seele: Do I know where it is? Is this the one at the Pirate place? [23:12] seele: She has a prior engagement elsewhere. [23:12] ScottK: yeah.. same place as the kde party in silver spring [23:12] OK. Great. $YOUNGEST will like pirates. [23:12] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=piratz+tavern,+silver+spring&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.910058,75.410156&ie=UTF8&ll=38.996024,-77.026927&spn=0.007154,0.018411&z=16&iwloc=A [23:13] ack [23:13] !tu [23:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about tu [23:13] hmm.. no tiny url.. what a useless bot [23:13] ~tiny [23:13] ~tu [23:13] !tiny [23:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about tiny [23:13] Got it. Thanks. [23:13] Time? [23:13] 6pm [23:13] OK. [23:14] BTW, we got a new factoid here today: [23:14] !support [23:14] #kubuntu-devel is the development channel for Kubuntu, please use #kubuntu for support questions and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks [23:14] Or at least new to me. [23:14] kubuntu-offtopic huh? [23:14] this channel would be dead a whole lot of the time if that was enforced [23:15] Well there are times when enforcing it is necessary. [23:15] (probably helps with traffic #kubuntu though) [23:15] did you add that? [23:15] I wanted one for #ubuntu-motu that said "Just because they can't answer your question in #ubuntu, doesn't make this a support channel" [23:16] hah [23:16] I got pointed at that one that already existed for #ubuntu-devel [23:16] So we got the Ubuntu version of that on for motu and that one for here. [23:16] on/one [23:16] OK. Back to the tomatoes. [23:16] chop chop [23:18] anyone tested the latest alternate? I have a new megastation in the office that I want to install Kubuntu on, and I want to do Jaunty [23:21] nixternal: please test and report on iso testing site [23:22] hehe, will do I guess [23:22] and what's a megastation? do you play sonic the hedgehog on it? [23:23] haha [23:23] no, dual quad-core, 16GB of ram, and 400+GB of SaS storage [23:23] seele: pirate place? with eye patches and english west country accents? [23:23] Riddell: oh yes.. it's great! [23:24] Riddell: www.piratztavern.com (warning, bad flash) [23:24] yarr [23:24] all the staff dress up and talk like piratz and they have a band that comes in and sings drinking songs on fridays [23:26] quoffing grogg [23:27] seele: I just reminded $YOUNGEST "We're going to a meeting with a bunch of women who are really into computers". Her excited response was, "I'm really into computers!". [23:27] So she's psyced for it. [23:27] She's 5, so into computers means something a little different to her, of course. [23:28]