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| cprofitt | pleia2, you here? | 18:46 |
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| pleia2 | cprofitt: yep | 18:46 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: you should send out a note about the class tomorrow! :) | 18:46 |
| cprofitt | I will -- we have an issue... | 18:47 |
| cprofitt | forestpixie needs a bit more time if it is available | 18:47 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, I am also going to setup my blog for future classes as well. | 18:47 |
| pleia2 | that's fine | 18:48 |
| forestpixie | hi | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | she can have as long as she needs :) | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | nothing else scheduled in here until monday | 18:48 |
| cprofitt | Sorry for not getting out the email earlier... | 18:48 |
| cprofitt | with my 20th anniversary being yesterday my mind was on that instead of Ubuntu | 18:49 |
| forestpixie | :) | 18:50 |
| cprofitt | I also got a LUGOR meeting organized and booked with a location in two days... | 18:51 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, where is the mailing list for classroom? | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu-classroom | 18:52 |
| * pleia2 points to /topic | 18:52 | |
| pleia2 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | you can subscribe, or I'll just approve your message when it comes in | 18:52 |
| cprofitt | k... at work... but doing it now | 18:53 |
| forestpixie | cprofitt: I know you're at work do you want me to talk about my issue? | 18:54 |
| cprofitt | no... you can talk with pleia2 | 18:56 |
| cprofitt | to make sure the time is set | 18:56 |
| forestpixie | ok will do :) | 18:57 |
| pleia2 | forestpixie: yours is the sudo & root? | 18:57 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, email sent. | 18:58 |
| forestpixie | no mine is on the 7th Feb - a partition one | 18:58 |
| forestpixie | this one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Events/02072009 | 18:58 |
| forestpixie | It's done for an hour but if I can have longer it would be good | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | oh, yes longer is fine | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: just let it through :) | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | forestpixie: it's not unusual for classes to run over their time, so no worries :) | 19:00 |
| cprofitt | thanks pleia2 | 19:00 |
| forestpixie | oh that's good :) so I don't have to worry too much then - personally I can't see it being less than 90 minutes | 19:00 |
| forestpixie | cprofitt: have you spoken to bodhi at all about our ideas? | 19:01 |
| cprofitt | forestpixie, no... I have not... | 19:01 |
| cprofitt | Would you want me too...? | 19:01 |
| cprofitt | I have just been handling things and then passing him the final stuff... | 19:02 |
| * cprofitt ponders if he has forgotten what the 'ideas' are | 19:02 | |
| forestpixie | sorry - he and I have had an idea about my lesson and maybe easwar's - I can drop you a lineif you like = easier while you're at work | 19:02 |
| forestpixie | a shared virtual terminal for them to watch in real time | 19:03 |
| cprofitt | ah... yeah that would be nice... tonight we could talk -- past 8pm GMT-5 | 19:04 |
| forestpixie | pleia2: thanks for that - didn't want to have someone knocking on the door :) | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | welcome :) | 19:04 |
| forestpixie | cprofitt: well I can try and be awake as well - but that's 1AM here :) | 19:05 |
| cprofitt | you can send me an email at cprofitt@ubuntu.com too | 19:05 |
| forestpixie | ok I'll do that - then you'll have some idea of what he and spoke about before you see him :) | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: should set your email client up to use it :) | 19:06 |
| forestpixie | I can sleep then lol | 19:06 |
| nhandler | forestpixie: If you want to do that, you should consider using screen ;) | 19:07 |
| forestpixie | nhandler: yea - we were I think - it's all abit new to me so I forget bits :) | 19:07 |
| forestpixie | the deal was bodh set up a vm with virtual disks for me to play with - then everyone ssh in as readonly - except me so I could do stuff and they watch | 19:08 |
| forestpixie | more or less :) | 19:08 |
| cprofitt | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/ | 19:10 |
| forestpixie | that's like a rash - I've seen it everywhere... | 19:11 |
| cprofitt | That person should be given the Darwin award for stupidity | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: that is unkind, I would be upset and have trouble if someone sent me a computer with an OS I'd never seen, especially if I encountered problems that made it impossible for me to get my work done | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | I mean, some hacking at it and most of us would be fine, but she's a pretty normal kid | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | plus I think it's an important lesson for us when doing this advocacy stuff, this is the kind of gap we're looking to breach | 19:19 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, but Dell does not send you Ubuntu machines unless you order it | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | nor do they make it easy to find | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | so something doesn't line up IMHO | 19:31 |
| cprofitt | the fact that she is going to technical school doesn't 'feel' right either | 19:32 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, but I guess I should not be so quick to call it an Eye Dee Ten Tee error | 19:33 |
| cprofitt | Then again the sub-headline enraged me a bit... | 19:33 |
| cprofitt | "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream" | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: so you disagree with the premise of the story that Dell made a mistake, and believe anyone going to a technical school is stupid if they can't make their way around a different OS? | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | Dell does make mistakes, and there are a lot of reasons to go to a technical school | 19:34 |
| cprofitt | True... Dell does... | 19:34 |
| cprofitt | and there are lots of reasons to go to technical school. | 19:34 |
| cprofitt | So it is not Ubuntu that caused the issue... but Dell. | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | yes | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | and the original reporting of the story was great, that news outlet actually helped her out with ubuntu and it ended up being OK in the end | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | but it's the internet, so articles like the one you posted show up... | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | making everyone look stupid and helpless and linux evil | 19:36 |
| cprofitt | ah.... | 19:36 |
| cprofitt | well I stand corrected and redact my earlier statement | 19:36 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, it was not clear that Dell made a mistake... | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: you said yourself that the ubuntu option is hard to find, do you really think someone could order one by mistake? | 19:38 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, so as I read it she was going to an IT program (hence the need for the computer) at a technical college and ordered an Ubuntu machine on purpose | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | it's not like they are cheaper, and there are warnings when you're placing the order | 19:38 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, no... I do not think they would order one by mistake... | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: she said she'd never even heard of Ubuntu | 19:39 |
| cprofitt | but a person could order it not knowing that they had... | 19:39 |
| cprofitt | if they were directed too by a 'friend' or some such | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | I think Dell making a mistake is much more likely | 19:39 |
| cprofitt | pleia2, if I read it as Dell made a mistake then clearly she is not the issue... it was the slant I took on it... that caused my original reaction | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | ah :) | 19:40 |
| cprofitt | and to be honest, the hack job that the article did in explaining things | 19:40 |
| cprofitt | it really comes off as a made up story that is trying to stick it to Ubuntu and Shuttleworth | 19:41 |
| cprofitt | the second tag line about "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream" really sets a negative tone with the focus on Ubuntu | 19:41 |
| * pleia2 just dislikes the immediate knee-jerk reaction of so many Linux users to call someone "stupid" when they have problems with a new OS | 19:41 | |
| cprofitt | if it had said "Dell error causes college delay" I would have taken it differently | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | the original story is called "27 News Troubleshooter: Woman blames Dell for missing online classes" | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | and they're doing a follow up story because of all the attention | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | "Ubuntu Users Send Hate E-Mail, Flood WKOWTV.COM Over Story" | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | makes me sad :( | 19:43 |
| cprofitt | The original title is the correct one... | 19:43 |
| cprofitt | and would have caused me to more accurately read the article | 19:44 |
| cprofitt | and not 'jump' to a conclusion | 19:44 |
| * cprofitt smiles | 19:44 | |
| cprofitt | thanks for setting me strait | 19:45 |
| cprofitt | I dislike knee-jerk reactions as well... and actually use Windows so I would not bash people based on OS preference | 19:45 |
| cprofitt | I am not a zealot | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | The young woman also contacted 27 News to report she's being harassed on her Facebook account by Ubuntu users. | 19:45 |
| * pleia2 sighs | 19:45 | |
| pleia2 | http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2 | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | it's really upsetting | 19:46 |
| cprofitt | That is bad -- Ubuntu users should not harass her | 19:47 |
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