[18:46] <cprofitt> pleia2, you here?
[18:46] <pleia2> cprofitt: yep
[18:46] <pleia2> cprofitt: you should send out a note about the class tomorrow! :)
[18:47] <cprofitt> I will -- we have an issue...
[18:47] <cprofitt> forestpixie needs a bit more time if it is available
[18:47] <cprofitt> pleia2, I am also going to setup my blog for future classes as well.
[18:48] <pleia2> that's fine
[18:48] <forestpixie> hi
[18:48] <pleia2> she can have as long as she needs :)
[18:48] <pleia2> nothing else scheduled in here until monday
[18:48] <cprofitt> Sorry for not getting out the email earlier...
[18:49] <cprofitt> with my 20th anniversary being yesterday my mind was on that instead of Ubuntu
[18:50] <forestpixie> :)
[18:51] <cprofitt> I also got a LUGOR meeting organized and booked with a location in two days...
[18:51] <cprofitt> pleia2, where is the mailing list for classroom?
[18:52] <pleia2> ubuntu-classroom
[18:52]  * pleia2 points to /topic
[18:52] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom
[18:52] <pleia2> you can subscribe, or I'll just approve your message when it comes in
[18:53] <cprofitt> k... at work... but doing it now
[18:54] <forestpixie> cprofitt: I know you're at work do you want me to talk about my issue?
[18:56] <cprofitt> no... you can talk with pleia2
[18:56] <cprofitt> to make sure the time is set
[18:57] <forestpixie> ok will do :)
[18:57] <pleia2> forestpixie: yours is the sudo & root?
[18:58] <cprofitt> pleia2, email sent.
[18:58] <forestpixie> no mine is on the 7th Feb - a partition one
[18:58] <forestpixie> this one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Events/02072009
[18:59] <forestpixie> It's done for an hour but if I can have longer it would be good
[18:59] <pleia2> oh, yes longer is fine
[18:59] <pleia2> cprofitt: just let it through :)
[19:00] <pleia2> forestpixie: it's not unusual for classes to run over their time, so no worries :)
[19:00] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2
[19:00] <forestpixie> oh that's good :) so I don't have to worry too much then - personally I can't see it being less than 90 minutes
[19:01] <forestpixie> cprofitt: have you spoken to bodhi at all about our ideas?
[19:01] <cprofitt> forestpixie, no... I have not...
[19:01] <cprofitt> Would you want me too...?
[19:02] <cprofitt> I have just been handling things and then passing him the final stuff...
[19:02]  * cprofitt ponders if he has forgotten what the 'ideas' are
[19:02] <forestpixie> sorry - he and I have had an idea about my lesson and maybe easwar's - I can drop you a lineif you like = easier while you're at work
[19:03] <forestpixie> a shared virtual terminal for them to watch in real time
[19:04] <cprofitt> ah... yeah that would be nice... tonight we could talk -- past 8pm GMT-5
[19:04] <forestpixie> pleia2: thanks for that - didn't want to have someone knocking on the door :)
[19:04] <pleia2> welcome :)
[19:05] <forestpixie> cprofitt: well I can try and be awake as well - but that's 1AM here :)
[19:05] <cprofitt> you can send me an email at cprofitt@ubuntu.com too
[19:06] <forestpixie> ok I'll do that - then you'll have some idea of what he and spoke about before you see him :)
[19:06] <pleia2> cprofitt: should set your email client up to use it :)
[19:06] <forestpixie> I can sleep then lol
[19:07] <nhandler> forestpixie: If you want to do that, you should consider using screen ;)
[19:07] <forestpixie> nhandler: yea - we were I think - it's all abit new to me so I forget bits :)
[19:08] <forestpixie> the deal was bodh set up a vm with virtual disks for me to play with - then everyone ssh in as readonly - except me so I could do stuff and they watch
[19:08] <forestpixie> more or less :)
[19:10] <cprofitt> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/
[19:11] <forestpixie> that's like a rash - I've seen it everywhere...
[19:12] <cprofitt> That person should be given the Darwin award for stupidity
[19:16] <pleia2> cprofitt: that is unkind, I would be upset and have trouble if someone sent me a computer with an OS I'd never seen, especially if I encountered problems that made it impossible for me to get my work done
[19:17] <pleia2> I mean, some hacking at it and most of us would be fine, but she's a pretty normal kid
[19:19] <pleia2> plus I think it's an important lesson for us when doing this advocacy stuff, this is the kind of gap we're looking to breach
[19:30] <cprofitt> pleia2, but Dell does not send you Ubuntu machines unless you order it
[19:30] <cprofitt> nor do they make it easy to find
[19:31] <cprofitt> so something doesn't line up IMHO
[19:32] <cprofitt> the fact that she is going to technical school doesn't 'feel' right either
[19:33] <cprofitt> pleia2, but I guess I should not be so quick to call it an Eye Dee Ten Tee error
[19:33] <cprofitt> Then again the sub-headline enraged me a bit...
[19:33] <cprofitt> "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream"
[19:33] <pleia2> cprofitt: so you disagree with the premise of the story that Dell made a mistake, and believe anyone going to a technical school is stupid if they can't make their way around a different OS?
[19:34] <pleia2> Dell does make mistakes, and there are a lot of reasons to go to a technical school
[19:34] <cprofitt> True... Dell does...
[19:34] <cprofitt> and there are lots of reasons to go to technical school.
[19:35] <cprofitt> So it is not Ubuntu that caused the issue... but Dell.
[19:35] <pleia2> yes
[19:35] <pleia2> and the original reporting of the story was great, that news outlet actually helped her out with ubuntu and it ended up being OK in the end
[19:35] <pleia2> but it's the internet, so articles like the one you posted show up...
[19:36] <pleia2> making everyone look stupid and helpless and linux evil
[19:36] <cprofitt> ah....
[19:36] <cprofitt> well I stand corrected and redact my earlier statement
[19:37] <cprofitt> pleia2, it was not clear that Dell made a mistake...
[19:38] <pleia2> cprofitt: you said yourself that the ubuntu option is hard to find, do you really think someone could order one by mistake?
[19:38] <cprofitt> pleia2, so as I read it she was going to an IT program (hence the need for the computer) at a technical college and ordered an Ubuntu machine on purpose
[19:38] <pleia2> it's not like they are cheaper, and there are warnings when you're placing the order
[19:39] <cprofitt> pleia2, no... I do not think they would order one by mistake...
[19:39] <pleia2> cprofitt: she said she'd never even heard of Ubuntu
[19:39] <cprofitt> but a person could order it not knowing that they had...
[19:39] <cprofitt> if they were directed too by a 'friend' or some such
[19:39] <pleia2> I think Dell making a mistake is much more likely
[19:40] <cprofitt> pleia2, if I read it as Dell made a mistake then clearly she is not the issue... it was the slant I took on it... that caused my original reaction
[19:40] <pleia2> ah :)
[19:40] <cprofitt> and to be honest, the hack job that the article did in explaining things
[19:41] <cprofitt> it really comes off as a made up story that is trying to stick it to Ubuntu and Shuttleworth
[19:41] <cprofitt> the second tag line about "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream" really sets a negative tone with the focus on Ubuntu
[19:41]  * pleia2 just dislikes the immediate knee-jerk reaction of so many Linux users to call someone "stupid" when they have problems with a new OS
[19:41] <cprofitt> if it had said "Dell error causes college delay" I would have taken it differently
[19:42] <pleia2> the original story is called "27 News Troubleshooter: Woman blames Dell for missing online classes"
[19:43] <pleia2> and they're doing a follow up story because of all the attention
[19:43] <pleia2> "Ubuntu Users Send Hate E-Mail, Flood WKOWTV.COM Over Story"
[19:43] <pleia2> makes me sad :(
[19:43] <cprofitt> The original title is the correct one...
[19:44] <cprofitt> and would have caused me to more accurately read the article
[19:44] <cprofitt> and not 'jump' to a conclusion
[19:44]  * cprofitt smiles
[19:45] <cprofitt> thanks for setting me strait
[19:45] <cprofitt> I dislike knee-jerk reactions as well... and actually use Windows so I would not bash people based on OS preference
[19:45] <cprofitt> I am not a zealot
[19:45] <pleia2> The young woman also contacted 27 News to report she's being harassed on her Facebook account by Ubuntu users.
[19:45]  * pleia2 sighs
[19:45] <pleia2> http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2
[19:46] <pleia2> it's really upsetting
[19:47] <cprofitt> That is bad -- Ubuntu users should not harass her