=== You're now known as ubuntulog [18:46] pleia2, you here? [18:46] cprofitt: yep [18:46] cprofitt: you should send out a note about the class tomorrow! :) [18:47] I will -- we have an issue... [18:47] forestpixie needs a bit more time if it is available [18:47] pleia2, I am also going to setup my blog for future classes as well. [18:48] that's fine [18:48] hi [18:48] she can have as long as she needs :) [18:48] nothing else scheduled in here until monday [18:48] Sorry for not getting out the email earlier... [18:49] with my 20th anniversary being yesterday my mind was on that instead of Ubuntu [18:50] :) [18:51] I also got a LUGOR meeting organized and booked with a location in two days... [18:51] pleia2, where is the mailing list for classroom? [18:52] ubuntu-classroom [18:52] * pleia2 points to /topic [18:52] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom [18:52] you can subscribe, or I'll just approve your message when it comes in [18:53] k... at work... but doing it now [18:54] cprofitt: I know you're at work do you want me to talk about my issue? [18:56] no... you can talk with pleia2 [18:56] to make sure the time is set [18:57] ok will do :) [18:57] forestpixie: yours is the sudo & root? [18:58] pleia2, email sent. [18:58] no mine is on the 7th Feb - a partition one [18:58] this one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Events/02072009 [18:59] It's done for an hour but if I can have longer it would be good [18:59] oh, yes longer is fine [18:59] cprofitt: just let it through :) [19:00] forestpixie: it's not unusual for classes to run over their time, so no worries :) [19:00] thanks pleia2 [19:00] oh that's good :) so I don't have to worry too much then - personally I can't see it being less than 90 minutes [19:01] cprofitt: have you spoken to bodhi at all about our ideas? [19:01] forestpixie, no... I have not... [19:01] Would you want me too...? [19:02] I have just been handling things and then passing him the final stuff... [19:02] * cprofitt ponders if he has forgotten what the 'ideas' are [19:02] sorry - he and I have had an idea about my lesson and maybe easwar's - I can drop you a lineif you like = easier while you're at work [19:03] a shared virtual terminal for them to watch in real time [19:04] ah... yeah that would be nice... tonight we could talk -- past 8pm GMT-5 [19:04] pleia2: thanks for that - didn't want to have someone knocking on the door :) [19:04] welcome :) [19:05] cprofitt: well I can try and be awake as well - but that's 1AM here :) [19:05] you can send me an email at cprofitt@ubuntu.com too [19:06] ok I'll do that - then you'll have some idea of what he and spoke about before you see him :) [19:06] cprofitt: should set your email client up to use it :) [19:06] I can sleep then lol [19:07] forestpixie: If you want to do that, you should consider using screen ;) [19:07] nhandler: yea - we were I think - it's all abit new to me so I forget bits :) [19:08] the deal was bodh set up a vm with virtual disks for me to play with - then everyone ssh in as readonly - except me so I could do stuff and they watch [19:08] more or less :) [19:10] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/15/ubuntu_cant_access_net/ [19:11] that's like a rash - I've seen it everywhere... [19:12] That person should be given the Darwin award for stupidity [19:16] cprofitt: that is unkind, I would be upset and have trouble if someone sent me a computer with an OS I'd never seen, especially if I encountered problems that made it impossible for me to get my work done [19:17] I mean, some hacking at it and most of us would be fine, but she's a pretty normal kid [19:19] plus I think it's an important lesson for us when doing this advocacy stuff, this is the kind of gap we're looking to breach [19:30] pleia2, but Dell does not send you Ubuntu machines unless you order it [19:30] nor do they make it easy to find [19:31] so something doesn't line up IMHO [19:32] the fact that she is going to technical school doesn't 'feel' right either [19:33] pleia2, but I guess I should not be so quick to call it an Eye Dee Ten Tee error [19:33] Then again the sub-headline enraged me a bit... [19:33] "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream" [19:33] cprofitt: so you disagree with the premise of the story that Dell made a mistake, and believe anyone going to a technical school is stupid if they can't make their way around a different OS? [19:34] Dell does make mistakes, and there are a lot of reasons to go to a technical school [19:34] True... Dell does... [19:34] and there are lots of reasons to go to technical school. [19:35] So it is not Ubuntu that caused the issue... but Dell. [19:35] yes [19:35] and the original reporting of the story was great, that news outlet actually helped her out with ubuntu and it ended up being OK in the end [19:35] but it's the internet, so articles like the one you posted show up... [19:36] making everyone look stupid and helpless and linux evil [19:36] ah.... [19:36] well I stand corrected and redact my earlier statement [19:37] pleia2, it was not clear that Dell made a mistake... [19:38] cprofitt: you said yourself that the ubuntu option is hard to find, do you really think someone could order one by mistake? [19:38] pleia2, so as I read it she was going to an IT program (hence the need for the computer) at a technical college and ordered an Ubuntu machine on purpose [19:38] it's not like they are cheaper, and there are warnings when you're placing the order [19:39] pleia2, no... I do not think they would order one by mistake... [19:39] cprofitt: she said she'd never even heard of Ubuntu [19:39] but a person could order it not knowing that they had... [19:39] if they were directed too by a 'friend' or some such [19:39] I think Dell making a mistake is much more likely [19:40] pleia2, if I read it as Dell made a mistake then clearly she is not the issue... it was the slant I took on it... that caused my original reaction [19:40] ah :) [19:40] and to be honest, the hack job that the article did in explaining things [19:41] it really comes off as a made up story that is trying to stick it to Ubuntu and Shuttleworth [19:41] the second tag line about "Shuttleworth baby kills college dream" really sets a negative tone with the focus on Ubuntu [19:41] * pleia2 just dislikes the immediate knee-jerk reaction of so many Linux users to call someone "stupid" when they have problems with a new OS [19:41] if it had said "Dell error causes college delay" I would have taken it differently [19:42] the original story is called "27 News Troubleshooter: Woman blames Dell for missing online classes" [19:43] and they're doing a follow up story because of all the attention [19:43] "Ubuntu Users Send Hate E-Mail, Flood WKOWTV.COM Over Story" [19:43] makes me sad :( [19:43] The original title is the correct one... [19:44] and would have caused me to more accurately read the article [19:44] and not 'jump' to a conclusion [19:44] * cprofitt smiles [19:45] thanks for setting me strait [19:45] I dislike knee-jerk reactions as well... and actually use Windows so I would not bash people based on OS preference [19:45] I am not a zealot [19:45] The young woman also contacted 27 News to report she's being harassed on her Facebook account by Ubuntu users. [19:45] * pleia2 sighs [19:45] http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2 [19:46] it's really upsetting [19:47] That is bad -- Ubuntu users should not harass her