[00:00] <nhandler> Chris`: What part didn't work, they look pretty accurate
[00:00] <Chris`> Under method: sf.net/grdc doesn't exist
[00:00] <Chris`> It's a sf project however
[00:01] <nhandler> Where does it say sf.net/grdc?
[00:01] <nhandler> I see sf.net/mooedit
[00:01] <Chris`> My project is grdc
[00:02] <nhandler> Chris`: sf.net/grdc won't work in a browser. Did it work in the watch file?
[00:03] <Chris`> Nope
[00:03] <pochu> try "uscan --verbose" from debian/..
[00:03] <Chris`> http://pastebin.com/d6cdb14a
[00:03]  * directhex uses mirrorservice for sf projects, it's more reliable
[00:04] <pochu> Chris`: http://sourceforge.net/projects/grcd, invalid project
[00:04] <Chris`> http://sourceforge.net/projects/grdc <----- Works for me =\
[00:05] <pochu> ah, I typoed it
[00:05] <Chris`> Anyway I've fixed it but I don't find that guide too user friendly
[00:05] <pochu> feel free to improve it :)
[00:06] <nhandler> Chris`: Look at some of the irc logs from past Open Weeks and Developer Weeks. I think we had a few guides that covered watch files
[00:06] <Chris`> Now I'm tasked with a manpage, again, the wiki wasn't much help do you know for any other resources? =\ The wiki was far too confusing
[00:23] <Chris`> When writing manpages should I use American or British English?
[00:26] <jmarsden|work> Chris`: Either one, but avoid obvious Americanisms or Britishisms -- you are writing for an international audience.
[00:27] <Chris`> How can I use the word utilise?
[00:27] <jmarsden|work> Maybe use the word use instead? :)
[00:27] <Chris`> Too boring but OK
[00:28] <jmarsden|work> The simpler the language you use the easier you make translation into other languages, too.
[00:28] <Chris`> You can get French manpages?
[00:28] <jmarsden|work> Sure.
[00:29] <Chris`> Cool well I just authored a file called debian/manpage
[00:29] <Chris`> What should I save it as when using pod formatting?
[00:29] <jmarsden|work> I'm not sure... I've only ever used pod format within a Perl script...
[00:32] <jmarsden|work> Is there anything in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide about different documentation formats??
[00:32] <jmarsden|work> Might be worth a look, anyway.
[00:34] <Chris`> I think that I have finally finished that binary :D
[00:35] <nhandler> This is really annoying. For some reason, ever since I went back to intrepid, I can no longer create a jaunty pbuilder. I have tried several times, but it always complains about not being able to resolve archive.ubuntu.com. Anyone have any ideas?
[00:36] <Chris`> If anyone has the time could you please revu/review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc for me please? :)
[00:42] <directhex> Chris`, avoid cockney rhyming slang in man pages, that's good advice
[00:42] <Chris`> directhex: I used Cockney?
[00:43]  * Chris` double checks
[00:43] <directhex> nah, just following on from "<jmarsden|work> Chris`: Either one, but avoid obvious Americanisms or Britishisms -- you are writing for an international audience."
[00:43] <Chris`> Ah ok :p
[00:43] <directhex> in a faintly humerous mann... know what? never mind. it's late
[00:43] <Chris`> Faily humourous man...page :)?
[00:44] <Chris`> Ah damn, I forgot a little tiny thing
[00:44] <Chris`> Gotta reupload
[00:46] <Chris`> Upload finished if anyone wants to revu my package :)
[01:22] <Andre_Gondim> does any motu can resolve this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/316305
[03:30] <pwnguin> ive got a question about mono apps
[03:30] <RAOF> Shoot.
[03:30] <pwnguin> i assume they need to build in debian to be in the archive?
[03:31] <pwnguin> even though published builds are cross platform
[03:31] <RAOF> Ah, _that's_ what you mean.
[03:31] <RAOF> Yes, very much so.  Everything in the archive needs to build from source, barring multiverse.
[03:31] <pwnguin> do you know much about mono apps?
[03:32] <pwnguin> ie paint.net?
[03:32] <RAOF> A bit.
[03:32] <cody-somerville> RAOF, everything needs to be built from a source package, including multiverse
[03:32] <pwnguin> cody-somerville: then you'll remove pq?
[03:32] <RAOF> cody-somerville: Are you _sure_? A source package, yes, but that source package can just copy binaires in place, right?
[03:32] <cody-somerville> RAOF, Right
[03:33] <pwnguin> well duh
[03:33] <RAOF> pwnguin: Paint.net isn't _really_ a mono app; it p/invokes a bunch of windows stuff, IIRC.
[03:33] <pwnguin> RAOF: it seems we have a windows forms library
[03:33] <cody-somerville> However, by that definition, you would say barring multiverse and restricted
[03:33] <pwnguin> which i thought meant ms only
[03:33] <RAOF> No.
[03:33] <pwnguin> but apparently not
[03:34] <pwnguin> RAOF: does paint.net go above and beyond winForms then?
[03:34] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:34] <jorgenpt> I read that one guy ported Paint.net to *nix
[03:34] <pwnguin> heh
[03:34] <pwnguin> that one guy is probably the mono author
[03:34] <pwnguin> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-15-1.html
[03:34] <jorgenpt> Yes, possibly this one; http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-15-1.html
[03:34] <jorgenpt> But it wasn't public when I read about it. ^_^
[03:35] <RAOF> One of the awesome things about the .NET runtime is how tremendously easy it is to call C libraries; Paint.NET does it for some stuff - calling out to native win32 libs.
[03:35] <RAOF> That's p/invoke.
[03:35] <jorgenpt> Is Paint.Net opensource?
[03:35] <pwnguin> yea
[03:35] <RAOF> Yes, I believe so.
[03:35] <pwnguin> its like the only open source c# app ;)
[03:36] <pwnguin> anyways
[03:36] <pwnguin> keepass 2.x seems to work fine in jaunty
[03:37] <jorgenpt> Paint.Net was open source until version 3.2, but has been closed since then.
[03:37] <jorgenpt> Hm.
[03:37] <pwnguin> heh
[03:37] <RAOF> pwnguin: That was sarcasm, right?
[03:37] <pwnguin> RAOF: yes
[03:37] <pwnguin> well, keepass works
[03:37] <RAOF> Good.  Difficult to tell on IRC :)
[03:37] <pwnguin> but the c# part was sarcastic
[03:37] <pwnguin> hence the ;)
[03:39] <pwnguin> anyways, there's no keepass package yet. if i can figure out how to build from source
[03:39] <pwnguin> it'd be nifty to have that in jaunty as well
[03:39] <RAOF> What's keepass?
[03:40] <pwnguin> its a cross platform keyring, really
[03:40] <pwnguin> you can put passwords etc in it
[03:41] <pwnguin> the benefit is that unlike say gnome-keyring, i can put credentials in a database and share them with my coworkers
[03:41] <pwnguin> right now we have a stupid pgp encrypted file
[03:42] <pwnguin> that lists notes, account names and passwords
[03:42] <pwnguin> keepass basically formalizes this practice
[03:43] <jorgenpt> Õ.o
[03:43] <pwnguin> anyways, getting it into jaunty would probably help convince my team to adopt it
[03:45] <pwnguin> one of my problems is i have no idea how to build mono apps though =/
[03:45]  * pochu didn't get the difference between gnome-keyring and keepass
[03:45] <pwnguin> keepass runs on windows and osx
[03:46] <pochu> yeah, I mean the credentials and database you mentioned :)
[03:47] <RAOF> pwnguin: Generally pretty simple, depending on how friendly they are.
[03:47] <pochu> gnome-keyring is just a key manager, but you can encrypt/decrypt/sign/etc files from nautilus
[03:47] <pochu> it's well integrated
[03:47] <pwnguin> pochu: can i add notes?
[03:47] <nellery> isn't keepass already in Jaunty? http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/keepassx
[03:47] <pwnguin> keepassX is different
[03:47] <pochu> to gnome-keyring? no, it's a keyring manager, use tomboy for that ;)
[03:48] <nellery> ah
[03:48] <pwnguin> its something like a fork of the old, non .net code base
[03:48] <pochu> pwnguin: oh, I thought you were comparing them as if they were similar apps, and saying which one was better :)
[03:49] <pwnguin> pochu: gnome keyring does what it does well
[03:49] <pwnguin> it just lacks sync and cross plaformness
[03:49] <pochu> I see
[03:50] <pwnguin> i got a job as a system administrator recently, and we basically do everything
[03:50] <pwnguin> in parallel.
[03:50] <pwnguin> windows, osx, solaris, linux
[03:51] <pochu> with gnome-keyring you can synchronise keys with a keyserver, but I guess that's not what you want :)
[03:51] <pwnguin> we need more than rsa encryption keys
[03:53] <pwnguin> pochu: in jaunty, there's a gui, that has "passwords"
[03:53] <pwnguin> pochu: do you know a way to actually add such a password?
[03:53] <pochu> wait, I was confusing seahorse and gnome-keyring!
[03:54] <pwnguin> seahorse, the browser?
[03:54] <pochu> no, the key manager
[03:55] <pochu> actually, the old gnome-keyring has been integrated into seahorse
[03:55] <pochu> that's probably the gui you're talking about
[03:55] <pochu> which has a passwords tab
[03:55] <pwnguin> yes it does
[03:55] <pwnguin> the tab doesn't seem to work though
[03:57] <pochu> it does here
[03:57] <pochu> and I have a few passwords
[03:58] <pochu> the root password and mail account passwords for evolution
[04:00] <pwnguin> i cant add new ones though =/
[04:02] <pochu> yeah, I don't see how to add new ones from seahorse itself
[04:02] <pochu> you can from applications that use gnome-keyring though
[04:02] <pochu> e.g. if you create a mail account in Evolution, it will ask you if you want to store it in the keyring
[04:03] <pwnguin> pochu: right, but if i wanted to say store a login for a windows box
[04:03] <pochu> I see
[04:04] <pwnguin> someone would have to bother patching tsclient
[04:04] <pochu> so your use case is that you don't want gnome-keyring for access some applications that use it, but rather to store securily a set of passwords
[04:04] <pwnguin> indeed
[04:04] <pwnguin> its a popular use case
[04:04] <pochu> yeah
[04:05] <pwnguin> someone was saying keepass is in the top 10 sf projects
[04:05] <pwnguin> well, its in the top 50 right now
[04:06] <pwnguin> pochu: but my use case also involves sharing those secrets with a limited set of people, who might not be running linux / ubuntu
[04:07] <pwnguin> i don't think the guy in charge of admining the windows class servers is about to accept "run GNOME" as a solution
[04:07] <pochu> pwnguin: looks like there's an API to gnome-keyring to add passwords, so it would be a matter of extending Seahorse to allow that: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/StoringPasswords
[04:08] <pochu> yet, that wouldn't solve your other problem...
[04:08] <pwnguin> pochu: im sure. but unless it uses schnier's format underneath and didnt tell anyone
[04:08] <pwnguin> its yet another incompatible tool
[04:11] <pwnguin> there's another program called password safe, started by bruce schnieier, with a documented format. password gorilla uses it
[04:11] <pwnguin> but sync isn't handled
[04:12] <pochu> pwnguin: aha! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525832
[04:30] <trinitronx> I'm getting an issue with "debuild -S" where it trys to sign with the original package maintainer's gpg key.  This is even when I have specified mine with -k, and also DEBSIGN_KEYID, DEBEMAIL, & DEBFULLNAME in my ~/.bashrc.  I'm just making a quick source package for personal use, so I don't want to have to edit the debian/control or changelog files... is this possible?
[04:31] <RAOF__> You can just leave the package unsigned; pass -us -uc to debuild, and it won't try to sign the source, changes respectively.
[04:31] <pochu> nice netsplit :)
[04:31] <pochu> trinitronx: what did you pass as -k ?
[04:31] <trinitronx> my key id
[04:32] <pochu> as in "dpkg-buildpackage -k4A08B2FE" ?
[04:32] <trinitronx> s/dpkg-buildpackage/debuild/
[04:32] <trinitronx> does debuild pass -k through?
[04:33] <pochu> if you put it at the end of the call, it will pass everything to dpkg-buildpackage
[04:33] <pochu> SYNOPSIS debuild [debuild options] [dpkg-buildpackage options] [--lintian-opts lintian options]
[04:33] <trinitronx> hmm, maybe I should try at the end?
[04:33] <pochu> try it :)
[04:34] <pochu> and try it before -S too
[04:35] <pochu> I've seen dpkg-buildpackage fail sometimes if the arguments were in a certain order
[04:35] <pochu> e.g. dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -us -uc would sign things, while -us -uc -S -sa wouldn't
[04:35] <trinitronx> woohoo! it worked at the end :D
[04:35] <pochu> :)
[04:36] <trinitronx> I think I'll try changing my DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS to have that at the end too
[04:38] <pochu> btw as RAOF said, you can just pass -us -uc to not sign it at all
[04:38] <trinitronx> yeah, I like signing stuff though just for practice
[04:38] <trinitronx> and to make sure it works ok
[05:23] <pwnguin> RAOF: i see a lot of .csproj files in this thing. i assume this is visual studio?
[05:26] <RAOF__> pwnguin: yah.  But I think mdtool should be able to build it for you.
[05:40] <tritium> Hello.  It has been a while since I've built a package.  I used to use pbuilder, but it seems working/testing in a virtual machine, and building with a PPA is valid approach today.  Is that a fair assessment?
[05:41] <tritium> I'm hoping to package the new version of ngspice, as well as hdhomerun_config_gui prior to feature freeze.
[05:45] <pochu> tritium: PPA is fine, VM not so much
[05:45] <tritium> pochu: not so much for what?  building?  testing?
[05:45] <pochu> building
[05:45] <pochu> for testing it's perfectly fine
[05:46] <tritium> Fair enough.  I don't intend to use it for building.  Thanks!
[05:46] <pochu> welcome :)
[05:48] <tritium> pochu: well, alpha 3's kernel won't boot as a virtualbox guest, so perhaps I'll consider another approach.
[05:48] <pochu> tritium: try with alpha 2 ;)
[05:50] <tritium> I see the same caveat for alpha 2: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha2 (bug 243677)
[05:50] <tritium> Sorry, but 246067
[05:50] <tritium> s/but/bug
[05:50] <tritium> bug 246067
[05:51] <pochu> I have a jaunty VM, but I think I installed it from alpha1
[05:52] <pochu> or a daily image, rather
[05:52] <pochu> ~/.VirtualBox/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso
[05:52] <pochu> but it won't be available on cdimage.u.c anymore, as it's a bit old ;)
[05:54] <tritium> :)
[05:55] <tritium> Perhaps I'll not worry about the VM for now, and just worry about building the packages.
[05:55] <pochu> that's a good start :)
[05:55] <tritium> Thanks again!
[06:01] <pwnguin> RAOF__: is mdtool part of a package?
[06:01] <pwnguin> ah
[06:01] <pwnguin> monodevelop nvm
[06:25] <dholbach> good morning
[06:29] <fabrice_sp> morning dholbach !
[06:30] <iulian> Morning dholbach, fabrice_sp.
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> Hi iulian :-)
[06:30] <iulian> How's it going guys?
[06:31] <dholbach> hiya iulian, hi fabrice_sp
[06:31] <dholbach> iulian: very good, just waiting for the coffee to be ready :)
[06:32] <fabrice_sp> iulian, very good too: it's friday! :-) (and waiting for the chocolate :-) )
[06:33] <iulian> Heh, that's good.
[06:33]  * pochu waves good morning
[06:33] <iulian> Hiya pochu.
[06:33] <dholbach> hey pochu
[06:33] <fabrice_sp> Hi pochu ;-)
[06:33]  * iulian yawns
[06:33] <pochu> hey iulian, dholbach and fabrice_sp :)
[06:33] <tritium> Good morning, dholbach.
[06:34] <dholbach> hey tritium
[06:34]  * pochu just read his motu application again
[06:35] <pochu> nice memories :)
[06:35] <ScottK> Good morning dholbach
[06:35] <dholbach> hey scottK
[06:36] <pochu> hiya ScottK
[06:36] <pochu> iulian: BTW, congrats for your MOTU-ship! :-)
[06:36] <ScottK> heya pochu.
[06:40] <iulian> pochu: Thanks ;)
[07:03] <slytherin> any python gurus here?
[07:05] <liw> slytherin, perhaps
[07:06] <liw> slytherin, but us non-gurus might be able to help you too
[07:09] <slytherin> I want to write a simple python script which downloads files from a site based on certain parameters. Also the site uses http basic authentication. What modules should I look into?
[07:11] <trinitronx> i don't know python... but I do know curl should be able to do that.  Look for a python curl module?
[07:11] <liw> slytherin, from file:///usr/share/doc/python2.5/html/lib/index.html I would suggest urllib2 as a starting point
[07:12] <slytherin> ﻿liw: ok. looking into that.
[07:26] <lynxie> how do i cleartext sign the ucoc using a key different of the default one, gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.0.1.txt automatically uses the default
[07:27] <lynxie> am i overlooking it in the man page?
[07:31] <slytherin> lynxie: look for an option key-id
[07:35] <lynxie> slytherin, thanks, it turned out to be gpg --default-key id --etc.
[07:36] <didrocks> morning
[07:37] <didrocks> dholbach: happy birthday :)
[07:45] <quadrispro> thank you dholbach ;)
[07:50] <iulian> Hmm, birthday?
[07:50] <iulian> Yay!
[07:51] <iulian> Happy Birthday dholbach!
[07:51]  * iulian has just seen planet ubuntu.
[07:55] <stefanlsd> dholbach: apparantly, alles gute zum geburtstag!
[07:59] <pochu> dholbach: happy birthday :)
[08:00] <dholbach> didrocks, iulian, stefanlsd, pochu: THANKS A LOT GUYS
[08:00] <dholbach> stefanlsd: good german! :)
[08:00] <stefanlsd> dholbach: haha. i am taking german lessons.
[08:00]  * dholbach hugs y'all
[08:01] <dholbach> stefanlsd: how does it go? :)
[08:01]  * pochu is taking the TOEFL tomorrow
[08:01] <pochu> and my English sucks :(
[08:02] <dholbach> pochu: no it doesn't - I'm sure it'll work out well!
[08:02] <stefanlsd> dholbach: umm. brauchbar.  sprechen is leicther as schreiben. my grammer is terrible!
[08:02] <stefanlsd> ist / als
[08:02] <stefanlsd> heh
[08:02] <stefanlsd> and spelling for that matter
[08:02] <dholbach> stefanlsd: German grammar is a bitch :-/
[08:02] <pochu> I hope so :) at least I need to obtain more than 70 out of 120... the requirement could be worse :)
[08:03] <stefanlsd> dholbach: yeah. i always thought native german speakers are lucky that they just get it, but i was thinking bout learning english, and im not sure i would want to do that either.
[08:03] <stefanlsd> soo, whats the birthday plans??
[08:04] <dholbach> stefanlsd: whenever somebody says "hey, I'm learning German" I have to stifle a "you have my sympathies" :)
[08:04] <dholbach> stefanlsd: I think this will be the first time where I move my birthday party into summer - I really couldn't get myself to organise a party this time when it's freezing outside :)
[08:05] <dholbach> so in summer, I'd like to have a big party with barbecue-ing in one of Berlin's parks ... or something like that
[08:05] <dholbach> (that won't keep me from going out tonight though :-))
 stefanlsd: whenever somebody says "hey, I'm learning German" I have to stifle a "you have my sympathies" :) -> that's why, even after 6 years of German learning, my level is so bad :/
[08:06] <stefanlsd> didrocks: yeah, gotta practice..
[08:07] <didrocks> stefanlsd: thinks it's too late, 5 years without practicing...
[08:07] <stefanlsd> dholbach: mm. cool. u gotta let us all know. i wanna go visit germany sometime soon again
[08:07] <dholbach> didrocks: ask Seb - he learned it in school for like 23 years (I might be exaggerating), but he does not speak German very well :)
[08:07] <dholbach> stefanlsd: let me know when you make it to Berlin :)
[08:08]  * dholbach won't repeat the one sentence Seb liked saying a lot in here :)
[08:08] <stefanlsd> dholbach: was in nuremberg last time. was awesome. will def visit berlin thou.
[08:08] <dholbach> stefanlsd: nice... although both are very different :)
[08:08] <didrocks> dholbach: you have to repeat it. you told too much or not enough :)
[08:09] <dholbach> didrocks: ask him about his favorite german sentence
[08:09] <didrocks> dholbach: ok, I will ^^
[08:23] <dholbach> stefanlsd: do you know of any plans of the ZA loco participating in the Global Bug Jam?
[08:24] <stefanlsd> dholbach: no fixed plans atm, but i did bring it up in the channel yesterday about holding one in johannesburg.  i'll get something going
[08:25] <dholbach> stefanlsd: you ROCK
[08:25] <dholbach> that's awesome!
[08:26] <DktrKranz> dholbach: we had a "demo" one in december, just to see how to organize a wider one, we plan to have another one soon, probably we can partecipate in the global bug jam too
[08:27] <dholbach> DktrKranz: that's excellent!
[08:28] <dholbach> DktrKranz: where are you going to have it?
[08:28] <siretart> mr_pouit: fixed avidemux uploaded, current dep-waited on your x264 upload (which is in NEW)
[08:28] <siretart> hi dholbach!
[08:28] <dholbach> hi siretart
[08:28] <DktrKranz> dholbach: probably at University of Boulogne
[08:29] <DktrKranz> there are some DDs living there, they could lend a hand too
[08:29] <dholbach> nice
[08:29] <DktrKranz> so, we can squash some RCs too :)
[08:29] <dholbach> :)
[08:50] <slytherin> liw: any idea how can I download a certain file using urllib2? I could not find any method that talks about saving data form the url.
[08:50] <dholbach> slytherin: urllib.urlretrieve?
[08:51] <slytherin> dholbach: is that method present in urllib2 as well?
[08:51] <dholbach> oh, it's not
[08:52] <liw> slytherin, urlopen gives you a file-like object, so you can use its read method to read the entire contents of the page
[08:52] <liw> slytherin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/105464/
[08:53] <slytherin> liw: right, but then I will need another handler to save it to a local file.
[08:53] <liw> sure
[08:53] <liw> that's easy, though
[08:53] <dholbach> import urllib2; f = open("content", "w"); f.write(urllib2.urlopen("http://www.ubuntu.com").read()); f.close()
[08:54] <dholbach> or some such
[08:54] <slytherin> dholbach: hmm , let me try.
[08:55] <liw> that's one way of doing it, though I prefer to split stuff into simpler statements, so that _when_ there is a problem, it's clear what part causes it
[08:55] <liw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/105466/
[08:55] <dholbach> slytherin: listen to liw - he has clearly debugged more code than I did :)
[08:57] <directhex> dholbach, is there anywhere i should be telling people what they'll need for me & meebey's session next week?
[08:58] <dholbach> directhex: what do you mean? like preparation the audience needs to do?
[08:58] <dholbach> directhex: or a mail from me explaining what's going to be going on?
[08:58] <dholbach> (for the presenters)
[08:58] <directhex> dholbach, in terms of "have a jaunty chroot with mono-devel" so no time is wasted installing it
[09:00] <dholbach> directhex: if you could create a small page with instructions at UbuntuDeveloperWeek/MonoPreparation I'll link to it from various places and announce it
[09:02] <slytherin> liw: that worked for text file at least. Now I have to check if t works for binary files.
[09:05] <stefanlsd> dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu-za.org/GlobalBugJam   - i also posted to the list
[09:06] <dholbach> stefanlsd: nice
[09:06] <dholbach> now you just need to add yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam too :)
[09:07] <stefanlsd> kk :)
[09:12] <highvoltage> stefanlsd ftw
[09:17] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: heys! you gonna be around for the jam?
[09:17] <highvoltage> stefanlsd: I'm not sure. I'd like to be there, I'm in Cape Town for most of feb
[09:17] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: ooh. then we have a cape town one also :P
[09:17] <mok0> Today is REVU day!
[09:18] <mok0> We have > 100 packages waiting for review!
[09:18] <highvoltage> stefanlsd: not a bad idea... I'm not sure how to host one though
[09:18] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: there's a wiki page on it, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RunningBugJam
[09:19] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: also, check out the bugsquad pages. it doesnt need to be technical at all
[09:19] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: ordinary people reporting bugs, confirming bugs, traiging bugs, finding out more information bout bugs
[09:20] <highvoltage> stefanlsd: awesome. perhaps I can do it as part of a clug meeting. I'll see where I am at that stage and then we can do it close to the same time
[09:21] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: kk. is sometime between the 20-22 feb
[09:23] <highvoltage> stefanlsd: ok, that won't work for a clug talk, but I'll get them involved anyway. I think the saturday will work best there
[09:24] <stefanlsd> highvoltage: cool. see who u can grab, and maybe see if CT has any interest. can be as simple as meeting at a coffee shop and just hacking away
[09:24] <highvoltage> stefanlsd: ok, cool
[10:06] <Elbrus> Does anybody know a simple way of telling which files are loaded by an application? I think I am missing a dependency in my package winff (BTS 511505) but don't know how to find it. (winff is needs X11, I don't know how to use a chroot to test it) Any ideas?
[10:09] <persia> Elbrus, lsof can tell you which files a process has open, and strace can tell you which files are opened during a run.
[10:10] <Elbrus> persia: thanks
[10:10] <persia> Elbrus, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/566 describes how to run an X program in a schroot.
[10:11] <persia> Hrm.  xhost + doesn't seem best though :(
[10:32] <directhex> i resort to Xnest
[10:52]  * mok0 reviews bcv4
[11:06] <dholbach> sebner, apachelogger: do you know of any plans of the Austrian mafia to participate in the Global Bug Jam?
[11:08] <mok0> Is the mafia going to the bug jam?
[11:08] <mok0> *shudder*
[11:09] <dholbach> mok0: there's nothing about "making offers that you can not refuse" in the CoC ;-)
[11:09] <mok0> :-) hehe
[11:10] <mok0> "This bug.... it's business. Not personal"
[11:10] <dholbach> hehe, exactly
[11:11] <dholbach> not sure what our Italian friends in the channel think about it :)
[11:11] <mok0> They're busy skateboarding around the sewers...
[11:22]  * mok0 reviews ultrastardx
[11:44] <mib_dkvv32kr> hi
[11:46] <shankhs> I am new to all this developing stuff Can you please suggest me some tutorial or something to begin with...(i know c/c++)
[11:48] <liw> shankhs, have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu ?
[17:28] <james_w> urgh, using "locate" in configure to find the headers it needs
[17:32] <Chris`> When someone has the time, can you please review my first 2 packages to REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc-gnome & http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc
[17:52] <Chris`> Hello are there any MOTUs available for a review of my packages?
[17:54] <fabrice_sp> Hi Chris. I'm not a MOTU, but I can have a look at your package
[17:54] <fabrice_sp> Chris`,
[17:54] <Chris`> You are able to review or just give out pointers? :)
[17:54] <fabrice_sp> I'm able to review
[17:54] <Chris`> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc-gnome & http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc
[17:54] <fabrice_sp> just give me the url
[17:54] <fabrice_sp> ok
[17:55] <Chris`> One is reliant on the other one
[17:55] <fabrice_sp> which one is first?
[17:55] <fabrice_sp> grdc?
[17:55] <Chris`> grdc is the first
[17:55] <Chris`> Yeah
[17:55] <fabrice_sp> ok
[17:55] <fabrice_sp> I'll begin with this one
[17:56] <Chris`> goodluck :)
[17:56] <fabrice_sp> :-)
[17:57]  * Chris` knows when he is in the company of geeks, most of us insist on using the -'s :P
[18:17] <jreinhardt> Hi everybody. Can someone please review my package of pgfplots:
[18:17] <jreinhardt> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pgfplots
[18:17] <jreinhardt> I addressed all mentioned issues. But if someone could check whether I got the watch file and the tex stuff right, I would be thankful.
[18:18] <fabrice_sp_> Chris`, I've been able to have a look before I left (compiles fast! :-) ) to grdc: it looks very good!. I just put some comments
[18:19] <fabrice_sp_> Chris`, nice job! I'll have a look at the other one when back. CU
[18:19] <Chris`> fabrice_sp: Great thanks :)
[18:19] <Chris`> See ya
[18:51] <RainCT> bobbo: REVU has a ubiquity command (which is broken right now, but well :P). perhaps you want to add to the ubuntu/LP thing you say you're working on
[18:51] <bobbo> RainCT: have you got a link?
[18:52] <RainCT> bobbo: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/ubiquity-plugin.py
[18:52] <bobbo> RainCT: I'm yet to talk to Jorge about getting it properly "started", but something should be happening "properly" soonish
[18:54] <bobbo> RainCT: having a look now :)
[19:11] <albuntu> hello to all
[19:11] <albuntu> hello to all
[19:12] <albuntu> i wanted to ask if someone can help me on how to edit the gnome panel via terminal
[19:13] <Chris`> albuntu: I think you're more likely to get answers over in #ubuntu rather than #ubuntu-motu
[19:14] <albuntu> Chris`: ok sorry. i tried there but i got no response
[19:14] <albuntu> anyways thank you
[19:14] <Chris`> albuntu: What are you trying to alter anyway?
[19:15] <albuntu> the gnome-panel
[19:15] <Chris`> What part of it?
[19:15] <laga> i just said "rotfl" out loud. help
[19:15] <albuntu> i am looking i want to edit its position
[19:15] <albuntu> and some things inside
[19:16] <albuntu> like putting menus plasces and system in applications
[19:16] <quadrispro> RainCT: hi! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4516
[19:16] <quadrispro> going away, bye :)
[19:16] <Chris`> albuntu: I'm not sure about the terminal command however you could try System > Preferences > Main Menu
[19:17] <albuntu> i know that but i wanted to edit it from terminal. thank you anyways :)
[19:17] <ScottK> !because
[19:17] <ScottK> Anyone around who can teach the bot?
[19:20] <RainCT> ScottK: I guess you'll find someone in #ubuntu-ops
[19:21] <ScottK> Thanks.  Trying.
[19:21] <Chris`> Any reviewers out there? :)
[19:22]  * ScottK tosses RainCT in Chris`s direction.
[19:22] <Chris`> Diolch ScottK
[19:22]  * RainCT tells ScottK that mok0 is about to beat him in the Top Commenters :P
[19:23]  * ScottK is trying to get $WORK done.
[19:25] <Chris`> Well, when a reviewer is free, I've got two packages that I'd really like reviewed :) (My first ones)
[19:25] <RainCT> Chris`: if you point to them you may get someone interested (/me is also about to start getting some work done, btw :P)
[19:25] <ScottK> !because is <reply> Just because you can't get help in #ubuntu does not make this a help channel.
[19:25] <Chris`> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc && http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc-gnome
[19:26] <ScottK> !because
[19:26]  * RainCT watches ScottK fight with ubottu 
[19:27]  * ScottK needs to wait to get it approved.
[19:27] <RainCT> man that uck thing has a really ugly interface :P
[19:29]  * RainCT advocates it nevertheless, and now goes to do some coding
[19:59] <Chris`> Excuse me but can beta software be included in the repos?
[20:01] <RainCT> Chris`: yes, of course. but don't package something which crashes all the time :P
[20:01] <Chris`> Ok cool
[20:06] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Is there some reviewer to have a look at dvdstyler (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dvdstyler). It only miss another advocate :-)
[20:07] <Chris`> How do I label an archave called 1.0.0-BETA1b?
[20:07] <Chris`> *archive
[20:08] <maxb> messy, but I think acceptable as is
[20:08] <RainCT> nope
[20:08] <RainCT> 1.0.0~beta1 (or ~b1 or whatever)
[20:08] <Chris`> RainCT: Thanks ;)
[20:08] <RainCT> the "~" means "less than, before"
[20:08] <Chris`> Ah ok
[20:09] <RainCT> if you used "-" then the package wouldn't be updated once the final version is out
[20:09] <maxb> ugh, I was so busy about thinking... yes you can have an - in the version, release is split on the final - character, that I missed that
[20:09] <RainCT> hehe
[20:21] <Chris`> partitionmanager (1.0.0~beta1a-0ubuntu1) jaunty; urgency=low <---- Is that acceptable?
[21:07] <directhex> Chris`, looks good to me
[22:35] <Chris`> Any reviewers about that could review this for me please? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=grdc
[23:03] <binarymutant> Hi, if anyone has the time to review my updated packages, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=charm, I would be very grateful. Thanks
[23:03] <RainCT> woho, my python bindings for espeak are working \o/
[23:26] <binarymutant> how many advocations are needed before upload? 3? also does the advocation count restart for every different version?
[23:27] <jpds> binarymutant: 2. Yes.
[23:28]  * jpds => bed. Night all.
[23:28] <binarymutant> night thanks
[23:28] <RainCT> good night jpds
[23:28] <RainCT> binarymutant: yes, it is reset whenever you upload a new revision or you get a negative advocate
[23:30] <binarymutant> thanks for the info RainCT
[23:31] <RainCT> yw
[23:33] <Andre_Gondim>  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/316305
[23:53] <Chris`> mok0: Hello, how are you today?