[00:08] <Ahmuck> so i've been looking at this wii remote whiteboard.  i notice there is windows source code, but no linux source code
[00:09] <Ahmuck> anyone try this with wine?
[00:09] <Ahmuck> we have a projecter i can set up this evening and try it with
[00:10] <Ahmuck> well, except i don't have the wii remote
[00:10] <Ahmuck> :(
[01:04] <Ahmuck> http://code.google.com/p/infrael/
[01:04] <Ahmuck> found the whiteboard software
[01:04] <Ahmuck> for linux
[01:58] <Ahmuck> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa9xn-xYQQk - any linux software like this?
[02:00] <Ahmuck> ah, nm
[02:00] <Ahmuck> phun, and there is a linux version
[02:00] <Ahmuck> http://www.phunland.com/wiki/Download
[04:46] <SDuensin> Anybody alive tonight?
[04:48] <HedgeMage> SDuensin: for some value thereof
[04:48] <SDuensin> hehe
[04:49] <SDuensin> I'm trying to install iTALC on an LTSP client.  Seems ica-launcher is never run.
[04:50] <SDuensin> Do I just need to add ica-launcher to my chroot's rc.local?
[04:50] <HedgeMage> sorry, I haven't run LTSP in ages... I'm not very good with it
[04:51] <SDuensin> NP.
[04:51] <SDuensin> Gonna try the rc thing.  Can't get any more broken.  :-)
[04:52] <HedgeMage> heh
[05:04] <SDuensin> Nope.  Nuts.
[05:04] <HedgeMage> :(
[05:04] <HedgeMage> Sorry I can't help :(
[05:04] <HedgeMage> Feel free to get me a small LTSP lab and I will get up to speed ;)
[05:04] <SDuensin> hehe
[05:30] <HedgeMage> hi, LaserJock
[05:30] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage
[05:32] <SDuensin> LaserJock, tell me you're an iTALC expert.  :-)
[05:34] <LaserJock> SDuensin: sorry, no. I haven't used it yet
[05:36]  * SDuensin thinks the default package for Ubuntu LTSP is borked.
[05:36] <SDuensin> Then again, nobody says it has to be used with LTSP.
[05:36] <LaserJock> SDuensin: what?
[05:36] <SDuensin> The thinclient side of the thing doesn't start.
[05:36] <SDuensin> Got another idea now.
[05:36] <LaserJock> it should
[05:37] <SDuensin> I just added this to my image:
[05:37] <SDuensin> ln -s /usr/bin/ica-launcher /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98ica-launcher
[05:46]  * SDuensin thinks ica-launcher is ica-broken
[05:46] <SDuensin> Oh well.  More arguing tomorrow.
[06:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: around?
[11:42] <faustino333> Hi
[11:43] <faustino333> Houston i have a problem
[12:57] <faustino333> i've upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 and now my thin clients can't login
[12:58] <faustino333> in the logs i get the following messages
[13:01] <faustino333> Jan 15 09:43:24 ubuntu-servidor sshd[7888]: Failed password for root from 192.16
[13:01] <faustino333> 8.0.250 port 38048 ssh2
[13:01] <faustino333> Jan 15 09:43:24 ubuntu-servidor last message repeated 2 times
[13:01] <faustino333> Jan 15 09:43:57 ubuntu-servidor sshd[7890]: Invalid user exp from 192.168.0.250
[13:01] <faustino333> Jan 15 09:43:57 ubuntu-servidor sshd[7890]: Failed none for invalid user exp fro
[13:01] <faustino333> m 192.168.0.250 port 38049 ssh2
[13:01] <faustino333> Jan 15 09:43:57 ubuntu-servidor sshd[7890]: Failed password for invalid user exp from 192.168.0.250 port 38049 ssh2
[13:01] <faustino333> Jan 15 09:43:57 ubuntu-servidor last message repeated 2 times
[13:02] <faustino333> is it a problem from edubuntu or from ltsp?
[14:36] <nubae> faustino333: try ltsp-update-sshkeys
[14:36] <nubae> and rebuild image
[16:12] <pem725> struggling with openchrome for my clients on ubuntu 8.04.1 and was wondering if anyone could lend a quick hand.
[16:17] <faustino333> nubae: i've done ltsp-update-sshkeys, ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernel
[16:19] <faustino333> i've even installed everything again
[16:19] <nubae> hmmm, from scratch?
[16:24] <faustino333> no just ltsp
[16:25] <faustino333> i removed even config files
[16:29] <nubae> yeah but this is an ssh issue... the user exp exists?
[16:30] <faustino333> yes
[16:30] <faustino333> i've created to test if i needed to do anything else
[16:31] <faustino333> that wasn't made by the update-manager
[16:31] <faustino333> when i've upgraded from 8.04.1
[16:31] <faustino333> should i've removed ssh and installed again
[16:32] <faustino333> ?
[16:33] <nubae> where are u getting the ssh failed messages?
[16:35] <nubae> the fact that it says invalid user makes me thing the user wasn't created correctly... try creating anotehr user and login with that
[16:35] <nubae> but I'm not sure if u are getting that on ldm login, or ssh login or what
[16:38] <faustino333> it's in the log of the server
[16:39] <faustino333> i don't know the exact file
[16:39] <nubae> upon doing what though
[16:39] <faustino333> i think it was in auth
[16:39] <nubae> are u trying to login with user exp via ssh?
[16:39] <faustino333> if i try to login in the thin clients
[16:39] <faustino333> with any user
[16:40] <faustino333> it says checking password and after maybe 2 or 3 minutes
[16:40] <faustino333> i get the error in log
[16:40] <nubae> ok, that does sound like the ssh-update-keys issue... but lets try something else
[16:40] <nubae> try setting the permissions for /tmp to 775
[16:41] <nubae> and for /home too
[16:41] <faustino333> now i'm not in the server but when i get there i will try that
[16:41] <faustino333> any other options?
[16:42] <nubae> ok, sometimes wrong permissions stop u being able to login
[16:42] <faustino333> but what is strange is that i can login in the server
[16:42] <faustino333> and not in the TC
[16:42] <nubae> yeah, thats normal
[16:43] <nubae> u can also check the .xsession-errors file for a particular user
[16:43] <nubae> and see if anything shows up there
[16:43] <faustino333> nobody can login from the TC
[16:46] <nubae> I know
[16:47] <nubae> check /home/someuser/.xsession-errors
[16:47] <nubae> it will tell u what is going on when someone tries to login
[16:48] <faustino333> ok
[16:48] <faustino333> i will try that
[17:41] <LaserJock> morning all
[17:53] <LaserJock> hi nubae
[18:41] <nubae> hey there Las
[18:42] <nubae> ah hes gone
[18:52] <Ahmuck> *yawn*
[19:45] <timmytutu> hello
[19:46] <timmytutu> anybody about?
[19:47] <sbalneav> hello
[19:48] <timmytutu> hi there
[19:49] <timmytutu> I have a few "infrastructure" type questions for moving a school district to more open source tech,,, is this the right place to ask?
[19:50] <sbalneav> Sure, go ahead
[19:52] <timmytutu> I'm taking over a school district shortly,,, they (we) have about a dozen schools, all have previously been run independently, as in each school has its own network, purchasing policies, WAN link, etc
[19:53] <timmytutu> Most have DSL links, two have fiber E10's
[19:53] <timmytutu> all the desktops are running windows xp
[19:54] <timmytutu> all the back end kit is open source,,, mostly ubuntu server LTS, different apps like moodle, postfix as email, a radius server for some sort of psuedo centralized user management
[19:55] <timmytutu> I come from an active directory background, with windows clients, and am used to pervasive desktop control and centralized everything
[19:55] <timmytutu> In the last few years open source has made inroads into my data centers,,, web site, mssql box, spam filtering, firewall and threat management, etc, but not core services
[19:56] <timmytutu> I can't seem to find a open source equivalent to active directory for pushing out GPO's to secure desktops,,, is there such a non-microsoft platform?
[19:56] <Ahmuck> i'm here
[19:57] <timmytutu> With the understanding that Microsoft won't dissapear overnight on the desktop, but probably we will get one school migrating as a project to edubuntu
[19:57] <timmytutu> thoughts?
[19:58] <Ahmuck> LDAP
[19:58] <sbalneav> Sabayon's available, and LDAP.
[19:58] <timmytutu> oh yeah, I also want to build our own consolidated network, and get rid of each site link
[19:58] <Ahmuck> there is intergration with AD available
[19:58] <timmytutu> we don't have AD
[19:58] <sbalneav> Sabayon's got some bugs, but we're hopefully going to be working on upstream to fix those.
[19:59] <timmytutu> I'm just googling that now,,, give me a sec to ask some intelligent questions
[19:59] <timmytutu> any chance anyone is here from BC in Canada?
[19:59] <Ahmuck> LDAP is ur answer AD
[19:59] <sbalneav> Not from BC, but Manitoba.
[20:01] <sbalneav> Most stuff on a gnome desktop can be enforced by global, mandatory gconf entries.
[20:01] <timmytutu> a quick look and I come to the conclusion Sabayon is just another distro in its infancy (no insult intended at all)
[20:02] <sbalneav> Nope
[20:02] <sbalneav> You're looking at the wrong page.
[20:02] <LaserJock> oh, you got the wrong thing
[20:02] <timmytutu> sbalnaev> are you involved with a school district or ministry of education
[20:02] <timmytutu> can you point me in the right direction?
[20:02] <sbalneav> Nope, Legal Aid Manitoba.  We run Linux and thin clients there exclusively
[20:03] <timmytutu> ahh, ok
[20:03]  * LaserJock dislikes that somebody had to go create a distro with the same name as a Gnome tool :(
[20:03] <timmytutu> similar background
[20:03] <sbalneav> http://projects.gnome.org/sabayon/
[20:03] <timmytutu> thx, looking now
[20:04] <timmytutu> whats the traffic like on the mailing list?
[20:05] <LaserJock> timmytutu: on which mailing list?
[20:05] <timmytutu> sabayon
[20:05] <LaserJock> well, not a lot presently
[20:05] <LaserJock> I think the last email was in September or something
[20:06] <LaserJock> it's in a bit of a lull, but we're hoping to pick things up
[20:07] <timmytutu> please forgive my open source ignorance,,, but is seems like sabayon is trying to accomplish exactly what the system managability is capable of with GPO's in active directory,,,, does this capability not already exist in major distro's?
[20:08] <LaserJock> timmytutu: forgive my ignorance but what's a GPO?
[20:08] <sbalneav> Not knowing what GPO's are, I'm not sure
[20:09] <timmytutu> group policy object,,, a system setting in active directory to be able, for example, to enforce a wallpaper, or restrict access to a control panel in a microsoft operating system
[20:09] <timmytutu> it can be assigned to users, groups, or computers
[20:09] <sbalneav> That's equivalent to gconf settings in Gnome.
[20:10] <sbalneav> Where you can enforce themes, wallpapers, proxy settings, etc.
[20:10] <timmytutu> can gconf be administered centrally?
[20:10] <sbalneav> Per server, yes.
[20:10] <timmytutu> what about "per domain" (not sure what the linux equivalent naming would be)
[20:10] <sbalneav> Gconf does not currently support a centralized server model, say with LDAP
[20:11] <timmytutu> ahh, ok, that answeres that
[20:11] <sbalneav> So it would be per machine.  So, if you had 15 LTSP servers, each handling 30 users, you'd only have to administer 15 sets of settings.
[20:11] <sbalneav> With sabayon, you could create the profiles on a central machine, then simply distribute them to the 15.
[20:12] <timmytutu> I guess then, are there LDAP environments with system management capabilities that would span multiple servers, in a similar fashion to gconf?
[20:12] <Ahmuck> set up a script that would replicate the settings?
[20:12] <Ahmuck> load balancing doesn't keep servers in sync?
[20:13] <sbalneav> timmytutu: No, there are not.
[20:13] <timmytutu> The staff I am inheriting is not comfortable at the command line at all, and I would consider myself a novice
[20:13] <timmytutu> so scripting is not an immediate solution
[20:13] <sbalneav> Although, sabayon DOES has an LDAP interface, currently it's not packaged with Ubuntu's sabayon.
[20:14] <sbalneav> So you'd need to do some work to get it set up.
[20:14] <timmytutu> sbalnaev> in your LTSP deployments, how many thin clients can be supported by on decent server (say several 2+ghz cores, 4gb ram, a handful of disks in raid 5), for clients running more or less a full edubuntu environment?
[20:15] <sbalneav> I'll give you a representative server.
[20:15] <timmytutu> going to try to shorten my nick...
[20:15] <timd> I'm now timd
[20:15] <sbalneav> 2 dual core Xenon 2.5 ghz, with 8 gig of ram, comfortably supports 40 users.
[20:15] <sbalneav> Full desktop.
[20:16] <timd> hmmm, not bad
[20:16] <timd> can ltsp "publish" a single application in a similar fashion to citrix?
[20:16] <sbalneav> Any application you install on the server is simply available to all users.
[20:17] <sbalneav> LTSP and citrix are two different technologies.
[20:17] <timd> and then you would control access to the UI using gconf?
[20:17] <sbalneav> LTSP is much closer to the idea of the idea of X terminals.
[20:18] <timd> what kind of disk subsystem on that 40 users terminal server?
[20:19] <sbalneav> 2 scsi disks, mirrored.  Home directories are NFS mounted from a central server.
[20:20] <timd> where does no machine (NX) fit into this? I use NX on my home ubuntu box to essentially remote in it over the internet,,, is there a preference over NX or LTSP?
[20:21] <sbalneav> You wouldn't use NX on a local LTSP setup, usually.  NX conserves network bandwidth, at the expnse of increased CPU usage.
[20:22] <sbalneav> On a local network, bandwidth with regular X usually isn't a problem.
[20:22] <timd> ok
[20:22] <sbalneav> I support 40+ users on simply 2 cheap dlink switches daisy-chained, and it works fine.
[20:23] <timd> in your org, was there any "vision" to push to open source, or was there some other driver?
[20:25] <sbalneav> We realized that Microsoft was an unsustainable model for our organization after 1998, and began working on linux desktops shortly after.  We've been running Linux LTSP thin clients since year 2000.
[20:26] <sbalneav> I have a total of 6 locations around the province, and support 185 users.
[20:26] <sbalneav> All Ubuntu GNU/Linux and LTSP.
[20:28] <sbalneav> I have to go shortly.  Any other questions before I go?
[20:31] <sbalneav> I'll be gone for 1/2 hour or so while I drop my son off at swimming.  I'll be back in a bit.
[20:41] <timd> thanks very much sbalneav,,, I'm convinced I need to trade in my Microsoft and VMWare tshirts for Penguins and Zen,,,, I just need more time to do research on how to get there :)
[20:41] <timd> Cheers,
[20:42] <LaserJock> timd: the edubuntu-users mailing can be lots of help if you're not already subscribed
[21:01] <sbalneav> Back
[21:10] <LaserJock> heah sbalneav
[22:25] <Ahmuck> LaserJock: is it ok to create a ppa on my personal site and call it that?
[22:25] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: what do you mean?
[22:25] <Ahmuck> well, i'm building debs for a number of software we use, and the software works well, svn.  so i thought i would create a web page called Ahmucks Personal Package Archive
[22:26] <Ahmuck> ubuntu compatible
[22:26] <LaserJock> well, I guess you could, but it might be kind of confusing for us
[22:27] <LaserJock> I expect a PPA to be on Launchpad :-)
[22:27] <LaserJock> but there's no reason why you can't put that on your webpage
[22:27] <Ahmuck> heh, i guess.  i hate wading through tons of red tape just to get good packages out
[22:27] <LaserJock> just try to remember when you're talking to me to be clear on where it is
[22:28] <LaserJock> there isn't a lot of red tape on good packages