[00:03] <nixternal> alternate CD is broken... d-i loses keyboard and you can't do a darn thing
[00:06] <Riddell> when?
[00:07] <nixternal> right after I click Install Kubuntu
[00:07] <nixternal> when it goes to the first d-i window
[00:07] <nixternal> you can see the keyboard LEDs flash a couple of times and then go boom
[00:43] <seele> Tonio_: there are some search-related updates to kpackagekit in their dev trunk, when you get time can you update?
[01:26] <vorian> Riddell: sorry, my wife pulled me away
[01:27] <vorian> looks like it's too late to report anyway
[01:34]  * claydoh looks up, sees lycoris mentioned and has fond memories of that 'new-user' distro
[02:09] <Tonio_> hi there
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you read this, just to let you know I still try knetworkmanager kde4 regularly and I'm now getting very good results with it ;)
[02:10] <seele> Tonio_: wow youre up late :)
[02:10] <Tonio_> still a build issue with the openvpn plugin, but I may provide packages soon
[02:10] <Tonio_> seele: yeah, 3 am here....
[02:10] <Tonio_> seele: I'll bed soon, especially since I have a long day tomorrow :)
[02:10] <Tonio_> seele: you may be happy to know that networkmanager now seems to work decently
[02:11] <seele> Tonio_: that's always good to hear :)
[02:11] <Tonio_> yup :)
[02:12] <Tonio_> k3b too on my side.... we'll end up with something good for the release I guess
[02:17] <freeflying_> Tonio_: knetworkmanager kde4? is the plasmoids?
[02:20] <Tonio_> freeflying_: yup
[02:21] <Tonio_> freeflying_: I have a working deb here if you wanna test ;)
[02:21] <freeflying_> Tonio_: no problem, I can test it for u :)
[02:25] <Tonio_> freeflying_, seele: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm
[02:25] <Tonio_> for tests :)
[02:25] <seele> Tonio_: set perms.. 403 forbidden
[02:27] <Tonio_> seele: I just fixed the directory listing on the webserver :)
[02:27] <Tonio_> works now
[02:27] <Tonio_> vpn plgins are missing btw, still they break the build
[02:28]  * Tonio_ goes for one last cigarette and then beds....
[02:28]  * seele waves
[02:28] <seele> have a good night
[02:28] <Tonio_> seele: thanks :)
[02:29] <freeflying_> Tonio_: got it, will test it later :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> freeflying_: super, thanks ;)
[02:29] <freeflying_> Tonio_: welcome
[02:29] <Tonio_> the only thing that annoys me with those applets is that they take a lot of space in the bar....
[02:30] <Tonio_> the battery one, the networkmanager, the trash etc...
[02:30] <Tonio_> I'd like to have them in the systray, I suspect this is possible somehow, but I don't know how...
[02:30] <freeflying_> Tonio_: we can add another panel :)
[02:30] <Tonio_> we'll eventually have to patch them....
[02:30] <Tonio_> freeflying_: damn no !!!
[02:31] <Tonio_> freeflying_: the file copy one is an applet and is in the tray so that's possible.... we may have to patch a bit for that to happen :)
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> lmao: http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html
[02:51]  * JontheEchidna grabs mineral water and fruit juice
[04:41]  * ScottK returns to see that no one has sponsored kde4libs.
[04:41]  * ScottK does
[05:25]  * ScottK gives nixternal a nudge to make an Alpha 3 release announcent on kubuntu-devel.
[05:25]  * ScottK did the last one and is very tired right now.
[06:33] <ScottK> NCommander: I've run out of steam.  I'm going to bed.  Your kde4libs change is test building.
[06:33] <ScottK> If it's not uploaded by someone else tomorrow, I'll upload it.
[09:09]  * Riddell spots why his kde4libs upload didn't take, fixes and uploads
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've been testing networkmanager plasma applet hardly since yesterday
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: we may consider replacing the kde3 one soon :) it works like a charm (except from the vpn plugins...)
[09:55] <smarter> Tonio_: cool! what encryption do you use on your network?
[09:55] <smarter> (hi!)
[09:56] <jussi01> Tonio_: cool. are you using the svn or is there a package somewhere?
[09:57] <jussi01> also, could someone explain to me why the acpi update replaced all the conf files?
[09:57] <jussi01> ie. http://paste.ubuntu.com/105835/
[09:59] <smarter> JontheEchidna: hmm, why did you backported kdeaccessibility 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2 to 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3~intrepid1~ppa1?
[09:59] <smarter> JontheEchidna: or is the changelog missing the ubuntu3 entry?
[10:05] <Tonio_> smarter: wpa+psk
[10:06] <Tonio_> jussi01 you can find a quick and dirty package on http://planetemu.net/temp/nm
[10:06] <jussi01> Tonio_: Ive got the svn installed :)
[10:07] <smarter> Tonio_: okay
[10:07] <Tonio_> jussi01 did the vpn plugins build for you ?
[10:07]  * smarter svn co the applet
[10:07] <Tonio_> jussi01 I had to patch not to build the openvpn plugin
[10:08] <jussi01> Tonio_: they did, and seem to work, though ive not tried to connect to a vpn
[10:08] <Tonio_> smarter: hum... what revison are you using ?
[10:08] <Tonio_> smarter: hard to figure out that my build issue works for you :)
[10:09] <smarter> Tonio_: just got 912313
[10:09] <Tonio_> smarter: it's caused by an outdated ui file...
[10:09] <Tonio_> smarter: weird........
[10:09] <Tonio_> local or chroot pbuilder build ?
[10:09] <smarter> what?
[10:09] <smarter> huh, I didn't build it yet
[10:09] <jussi01> Tonio_: Im on the RC1 now, but I built it originally on the beta
[10:09] <Tonio_> k
[10:09] <Tonio_> jussi01 well i'l give it another try...
[10:10] <jussi01> Tonio_: good luck :=)
[10:10] <Tonio_> jussi01 it's a matter of 5 minutes :)
[10:10] <jussi01> so anyone know the answer to my acpi question?
[10:10] <Tonio_> k3b also works pretty decently for me =)
[10:10] <smarter> from svn?
[10:11] <Tonio_> smarter: yup
[10:11] <smarter> cool
[10:11]  * smarter should give it another try
[10:11] <jussi01> ooh, theres a new k3b?
[10:11] <smarter> jussi01: it's been WIP since more than a year I think
[10:12] <jussi01> :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> jussi01 what networkmanager applet revision are you using ?
[10:12] <Tonio_> cause there was a hudge update 2 days ago on the svn
[10:13] <jussi01> Tonio_: dunno how to check, but I updated and built around an hour ago
[10:13] <Tonio_> hum so you're up to date....
[10:13] <Tonio_> jussi01 maybe you can try to build my source package in a pbuilder chroot, so that you can see my issue...
[10:13] <Tonio_> I couldn't fix it yesterday
[10:15] <jussi01> Tonio_: just if you are curious, heres a screenshot of mine: http://imagebin.ca/view/DV_uhS.html
[10:16] <Tonio_> damn... it really works :)
[10:16]  * Tonio_ goes jalous !
[10:17] <jussi01> Tonio_: :D
[10:17] <Tonio_> maybe local build works and pbuilder fails....
[10:17] <Tonio_> that can happen sometimes
[10:17] <jussi01> could be a pbuilder fail
[10:17] <jussi01> or could be some package you are missing?
[10:18] <Tonio_> jussi01 I don't think so
[10:18] <jussi01> Tonio_: I ve  no chroot setup here, maybe a quick pastebin of your errors?
[10:18] <Tonio_> it complains something misses in a UI file.... lemme show you
[10:19] <Tonio_> the build goes on
[10:20]  * jussi01 tries to remember the cmake options he used
[10:21] <jussi01> hrm, wasnt any except prefixing to usr: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ../
[10:23] <Tonio_> jussi01 should be the same in my case ;)
[10:23] <jussi01> Tonio_: yeah. btw, im at rev 912317
[10:24] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/105841/
[10:24] <Tonio_> jussi01 same with me
[10:25] <jussi01> Tonio_: curious...
[10:25] <Tonio_> I know :)
[10:26] <jussi01> I still think youre missing a package somewhere :D (really no idea) :P
[10:27] <Tonio_> jussi01 don't think so....
[10:27] <Tonio_> jussi01 especially looking at the code.... it doesn't make sense...
[10:27] <Tonio_>         m_ui.x509PassPassword->setText( password );
[10:27] <Tonio_> this line fails...
[10:28] <Tonio_>         m_ui.x509PassCert->setPath( dataMap[NM_OPENVPN_KEY_CERT] );
[10:28] <Tonio_>         m_ui.x509PassKey->setPath( dataMap[NM_OPENVPN_KEY_KEY] );
[10:28] <Tonio_> those work.... same class called..... doesn't make sense
[10:28] <jussi01> Tonio_: out of curiousity, what version are you using? the RC1 from experimental repos?
[10:28] <Tonio_> jussi01 jaunty up to date
[10:29] <jussi01> Tonio_: yeah, maybe theres some change from intrepid -> jaunty
[10:31] <Tonio_> possibly, indeed
[10:33] <Tonio_> jussi01 trying to build localy, we'll see
[10:34] <Tonio_> once we get network-manager and k3b in the only kde3 apps we'll have to replace is konversation.....
[10:34] <freeflying__> Tonio_: seems works well here
[10:34] <Tonio_> freeflying__: :'(
[10:35] <Tonio_> what the hell happens in my build ?
[10:35] <freeflying__> Tonio_: I think remove show plasma dashboard
[10:35] <freeflying__> Tonio_: I think we can remove show plasma dashboard
[10:35] <Tonio_> freeflying__: what are you talking about ?
[10:36] <Tonio_> ho the button.... why not
[10:36] <freeflying__> Tonio_: you said we'd patch nm plasmoids
[10:37] <Tonio_> that's a proposal, nothing else :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> jussi01 got it to build.... I probably corrupted a file while playing in the code.... fresh svn snapshot works :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> jussi01 I'll try to make a nice package toonight, so that we can consider replacing it in jaunty
[10:39]  * Tonio_ goes for a couple of hours...
[10:40] <Tonio_> jussi01 good point is that we're using openvpn at my company so I can test it deeply ;)
[10:45] <mrvanes> Can anybody tell why this patch (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171065) didn't make it into RC1 (amd64)? It's quite old?
[10:52] <jussi01> Tonio_: excellent
[10:53] <jussi01> Tonio_: and the konversation replacement is quassel! :D
[10:54]  * jussi01 was just putting lunch on
[11:14] <smarter> Tonio_: we're already working at replacing konversation with quassel
[11:26] <jussi01> smarter: whao is responsible for the final decision on whether it makes it in btw? (quassel)
[11:27] <smarter> nobody I guess
[11:27] <jussi01> hehe, so who makes the decision?
[11:28] <smarter> if it gets to the point where it has enough feature to replace Konversation and is usable enough, there's no reason for not dropping konv'
[11:28] <jussi01> smarter: but what I mean is who decides that it has enough features and is usable enough?
[11:30] <smarter> jussi01: I guess that seele will see if it's usable enough ;)
[11:30] <Nightrose> does one of you know how i can make dolphin and others not start with the documents folder as default?
[11:31] <Nightrose> it is annoying me big time
[11:31] <Nightrose> happens since i first tried 4.2
[11:31] <mrvanes> It's a setting "About me"
[11:31] <mrvanes> but it's not stored over sessions (bug)
[11:31] <Nightrose> argh
[11:32] <Nightrose> thx mrvanes
[11:32] <mrvanes> yw, have been hitting my head against the keyboard over it for long time
[11:32] <Nightrose> :/ yea
[11:40] <Nightrose> ok i was told this might be a kubuntu patch
[11:40] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: apachelogger: *poke*
[11:52] <mrvanes> The patch did make it into 4.1.96, it was just wrongly explained in the solution,
[11:53] <smarter> Nightrose: I don't see any of your patch that could do that
[11:53] <mrvanes> I was referring to an old question I had myself (kio_audiocd ripping noise instead of mp3)
[11:55] <Nightrose> smarter: meh - ok - afair the neon packages don't have this problem
[11:55] <Nightrose> so it is not unlikely to be a patch
[11:55] <Nightrose> i am on intrepid btw
[11:55] <smarter> same, and I see that "bug"
[11:56] <Nightrose> hmmm alright
[11:56] <Nightrose> someone said he is also seing it on suse
[11:56] <Nightrose> very wierd
[11:59] <Nightrose> [12:58:05] <gkiagia> ah, I remember now why dolphin ignores its settings
[11:59] <Nightrose> [12:58:22] <gkiagia> the starting directory is specified in the .desktop file...
[11:59] <Nightrose> [12:58:42] <gkiagia> that is a dolphin bug
[11:59] <smarter> :]
[12:00] <Nightrose> [12:59:29] <gkiagia> now for other apps/dialogs, they seem to use KGlobalSettings::documentPath() to get the starting directory
[12:00] <Nightrose> [13:00:00] <gkiagia> which is patched by kubuntu to return QDesktopServices::storageLocation( QDesktopServices::DocumentsLocation );
[12:01] <Nightrose> if anyone can make sense of all this please have a look ;-)
[12:02] <smarter> instead of hardcoding the Desktop to $HOME/Desktop and the Documents dir to $HOME/Documents, we use a class provided by Qt to get the standard xdg location (locale friendly)
[12:03] <smarter> (and configurable)
[12:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: currently one obstacle in kbluetooth4, doesn't do cmake install dirs properly yet
[12:05] <smarter> Nightrose: so that shouldn't cause any problem :)
[12:05] <smarter> since KDE by default would use ~/Documents too
[12:05] <Nightrose> alright
[12:05] <Tm_T> hardcoding is bad
[12:05] <Tm_T> really bad
[12:06] <Tm_T> before I did some complaints, Plasma had Dolphin hardcoded as filemanager in many places
[12:06] <smarter> hehe
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> smarter: yeah, I mashed together the backport and the ubuntu3 changes into one changelog
[13:09] <smarter> kay
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> If nobody complains after that I'll ask apachelogger or somebody to upload ubuntu3 to jaunty
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> I probably should ping the bug to retest
[13:51]  * apachelogger needs to establish some policy about staying up all night -.-
[13:51] <apachelogger> ~order coffee
[13:51]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[13:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: huh? Nightrose: huh?
[13:52] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dolphin always opens with the documents folder here even though my home folder is set in the dolphin preferences - i changed it now in systemsettings -> about me and it works ok
[13:53] <Nightrose> but i was told it doesn't save this
[13:53] <Nightrose> so next reboot it will be b0rked again
[13:53] <Nightrose> same for file save and open dialogs
[13:54] <apachelogger> all that fuzz about that? Oo
[13:54] <Nightrose> very annoying as i have only a few things in documents
[13:54]  * apachelogger sips his coffee
[13:54] <Nightrose> and it is _never_ the folder i need
[13:54] <Nightrose> i always have to go up one level and then navigate to the folder i actually need
[13:55] <apachelogger> well, I am pretty sure we don't patch dolphin that way, so the assumption is that dolphin's setting is broken anyway
[13:55] <vorian> morning
[13:56] <Nightrose> well yea that too but defaulting to documents is narf
[13:56] <Nightrose> morning vorian
[13:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just because it is for you, doesn't mean it is narf in general
[13:56] <apachelogger> anyway
[13:57] <apachelogger> how do I trigger that?
[13:57] <Nightrose> open dolphin in 4.2
[13:57] <apachelogger> home
[13:57] <Nightrose> hmmmmmm ok then please check in systemsettings ->about me -> paths
[13:57] <Nightrose> what is your documents path set to?
[13:58] <vorian> are you talking about dolphin always opening in ~/Documents?
[13:58] <apachelogger> me
[13:58] <Nightrose> vorian: jep
[13:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger: that was set to documents for me
[13:58] <vorian> hmm, that is quite annoying
[13:59] <Nightrose> vorian: it is super annoying
[13:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, either KDE does this by default, which I find unlikely, or something changed that setting
[13:59] <vorian> i can confirm that bug
[13:59] <apachelogger> Kubuntu certainly uses $HOME by default
[13:59] <vorian> i think it is a bug, suryly it's no default
[13:59] <apachelogger> so whatever caused the problem, it's not us
[14:00] <vorian> surely*
[14:00] <mrvanes> The document path is reset to $HOME/Documents after login
[14:00] <Nightrose> ok let me log out and in again and see if the setting stays here
[14:00] <Nightrose> back in a few
[14:01] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/105900/
[14:01] <apachelogger> this is our XDG patch
[14:02] <apachelogger> line 110 might be what is causing the setting to be unchangeable
[14:02] <vorian> nod
[14:03] <vorian> ++ on define KDE_DEFAULT_SMOOTHSCROLL true
[14:03] <vorian> :)
[14:04] <apachelogger> what does the smoothscroll stuff in there anyway
[14:07] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ping
[14:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yup ?
[14:09] <Tonio_> I'm half away, but still listening a bit :)
[14:10] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you made the xdg_use_dirs patch for kdelibs?
[14:10] <Tonio_> for kde3 ? yes, I got it from svn
[14:10] <cbr> so there's a new libmsn now.. does kopete need to be rebuilt or smth?
[14:10] <apachelogger> Tonio_: for KDE 4
[14:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ah... no then it's not me I think...
[14:11] <Tonio_> or maybe....
[14:11] <apachelogger> hm
[14:11]  * apachelogger checks changelog
[14:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it can be me, but that patch was from svn anyway, so shouldn't be there for 4.2
[14:11] <apachelogger> was you alright
[14:11] <apachelogger> but the patch does not seem to be in 4.2
[14:12] <apachelogger> or maybe it changed from the revision you based it on, to current 4.2 so much that the patch doesn't conflict
[14:12]  * apachelogger greps
[14:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's possible indeed
[14:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I have to go, sorry
[14:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: is the patch causing issues ?
[14:13] <apachelogger> don't know yet
[14:13] <apachelogger> I'll look into it :)
[14:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki ;)
[14:14] <Tonio_> I hope to have policykit, kpackagekit, k3b and networkmanager-kde ready for monday on my side
[14:14] <apachelogger> Tonio_: networkmanager?
[14:14] <apachelogger> suse's KDE 4 port?
[14:15] <apachelogger> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose, vorian: we don't even apply that patch anymore
[14:15]  * apachelogger wonders whom to blame for bad patch house keeping
[14:15] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the plasma applet
[14:15] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, it's of no use anyway, is it? ;-)
[14:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it works like a charm since major update 2 days ago !!
[14:16] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[14:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you can test from http://planetemu.nt/temp/nm
[14:16] <apachelogger> *svn up* :)
[14:16] <apachelogger> even better
[14:16] <cbr> that address doesnt work
[14:16] <Tonio_> quick and dirty package btw, but working :)
[14:17] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://planetemu.nt/temp/nm
[14:17] <Tonio_> e
[14:17] <Tonio_> net
[14:17] <Tonio_> sorry
[14:17] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm
[14:17] <apachelogger> yeah, I figured, thanks :)
[14:17] <cbr> it's the plasma applet?
[14:17] <Tonio_> cbr yes
[14:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you'll miss the vpn plugins with that one, but they'll be back with the next packages
[14:18] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I have to test the vpn part tomorrow
[14:19] <Tonio_> today I'm away, btw....
[14:19] <Tonio_> new appartment, lot of work in there....
[14:20] <apachelogger> :)
[14:20] <cbr> that looks pretty nice
[14:20] <Tonio_> I'm surprised k3b works decently here...
[14:20] <Tonio_> it's not annouced, even in beta..
[14:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: whatever it is, it is not even partially caused by us because that patch came from upstream and now is in upstream (4.2)
[14:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it appears to me that they didn't rewrite that directory kcm for XDG paths, so that could be the cause it doesn't remember the settings between reboots
[14:21] <apachelogger> while /Documents ended up there in the first place is unclear though
[14:21]  * apachelogger uses the force to find out
[14:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I recommend you talk to peter and dfaure
[14:24]  * apachelogger notes that jr is to blame for not removing the xdg patch completely, because he and NCommander were the only ones to touch kdelibs before it was imported into bzr :P 
[14:25] <Nightrose> argh!!!! quassel didn't let me log in again for the last 15 mins
[14:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ok will do
[14:26] <mrvanes> Nightrose: reported the bug some time ago here http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177474
[14:26] <mrvanes> hehe...
[14:26] <Nightrose> mrvanes: thx
[14:27] <mrvanes> Nightrose: Can you reproduce it?
[14:27] <Nightrose> yes - i'll leave a comment
[14:27] <Nightrose> after logging in again it is back
[14:27] <mrvanes> Good to know I'm not mad ;)
[14:27] <Nightrose> hehe
[14:31] <apachelogger> mrvanes: please change the bug report to reflect the actual problem ... KDE 4.2 doesn't use the kind of hardcoding approach but queries Qt for the appropriate XDG paths, also it now exposes all XDG user dirs (which are clearily more than the 3 currently supported by the kcm) ;-)
[14:31] <apachelogger> ultimately the KCM would be rewritten to fit the new surrounding
[14:32] <apachelogger> i.e. it would have to edit the XDG config and not it's internal one and it woudl have to list all XDG user dirs with appropriate value
[14:32] <mrvanes> Ouch... that a bit above my head, but I'll copy your remark. Wouldn't it be better if you commented that?
[14:32] <apachelogger> meh
[14:32] <apachelogger> *searching password*
[14:32] <mrvanes> Hehe...
[14:33] <mrvanes> keepasx...
[14:33] <mrvanes> ;)
[14:34] <cbr> obtw
[14:34] <cbr> that networkmanager plasmoid
[14:34] <cbr> fails for wifi
[14:34] <cbr> works for wired
[14:34] <cbr> with wifi it just claims that "it's connecting" but nothing happens
[14:37] <cbr> maybe because it's wpa2?
[14:37] <cbr> worked with nm-applet though
[14:46] <cbr> yeah, dont use it when you need wireless connections
[14:48] <Tonio_> cbr works for me on wifi
[14:48] <Tonio_> I'm doing wpa-psk
[14:48] <Tonio_> cbr: did you kill the old network-manager-kde ?
[14:48] <cbr> i have wpa-psk too
[14:48] <cbr> i didnt have a old one
[14:49] <Tonio_> hum.......
[14:49] <cbr> i removed nm-applet and rebooted
[14:49] <Tonio_> did you kill the nm-applet ?
[14:49] <Tonio_> ah.....
[14:49] <Tonio_> well then I must say I don't know what happens.... I don't know the app well enough right now to help you
[14:49] <Tonio_> cbr : go in konsole and kill plasma
[14:49] <Tonio_> then restart it from the console
[14:49] <Tonio_> you'll see the debug messages from the applet
[14:50] <Tm_T> hrrr
[14:50] <Tonio_> hey Tm_T
[14:50] <Tm_T> hi
[14:50] <Tm_T> I hate this
[14:50] <Tm_T> so much to do, so little time
[14:51] <Tonio_> cbr: just tested again to be sure, disconnected and reconnected, no pb on my side
[14:51] <cbr> plasma(4342) InterfaceGroup::updateNetworks:
[14:51] <cbr> plasma(4342) InterfaceGroup::networksToShow: m_conn empty? false m_userSettings true
[14:51] <cbr> QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver
[14:51] <Tonio_> cbr: using jaunty or intrepid ?
[14:51] <cbr> jaunty
[14:51] <Tonio_> hum...
[14:51] <Tonio_> cbr: go in your connection list and drop them all, then retry
[14:51] <Tonio_> could be a cache issue, somehow...
[14:52] <Tonio_> I really have to go.... I may not help a lot this time, sorry
[14:52] <cbr> i did drop them
[14:52] <Tonio_> cbr: anyway, that's svn software.... not bugless :)
[14:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll spend today with bluetooth and look qt 4.5 packaging tomorrow if I have time
[14:52] <cbr> but there is two of them in the list that the applet shows
[14:52] <cbr> the ones i'm trying to connect to
[14:59] <cbr> yeah, wireless doesnt work
[15:38] <samppa> Lure: i couldnt find the new digikam intrepid build from your ppa
[15:42] <jussi01> samppa: its in the digikam ppa
[15:42] <Tm_T> hi samppa
[15:42] <samppa> hi
[15:43] <samppa> jussi01: ah, ok
[15:43] <jussi01> samppa: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:43] <Tm_T> samppa: you're our new packager ninja?
[15:43] <samppa> Tm_T: no, i am not
[15:44] <apachelogger> samppa: that should be fixed then
[15:44] <Tm_T> samppa: but you could be (;)
[15:45] <samppa> heh, right
[15:45] <apachelogger> smarter: btw, suggestions for the launchpad data theft?
[15:45] <samppa> jussi01: actually that's the ppa what i was referring to
[15:45] <smarter> data theft?
[15:45] <apachelogger> smarter: well, the data raping we are planing to do :P
[15:46] <vorian> haha
[15:46] <apachelogger> oh dear .. someone please shoot the autotools devs
[15:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: go on, son
[15:46] <apachelogger> I can't even manipulate the dir mysql installs it's data to
[15:47] <apachelogger> can only change $main data path
[15:47] <Tm_T> apachelogger: err, nice
[15:47] <apachelogger> and then aclocal ends up in a different path as well
[15:52] <apachelogger> Guillaume Martres (gmartres) is now following your updates on Twitter.
[15:52] <apachelogger> who is that?
[15:53] <Tm_T> no idea
[15:53] <smarter> that's me :]
[15:53] <Tm_T> smarter: no you're not, you're smarter
[15:54] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[15:54] <apachelogger> smarter: I must agree with Tm_T
[15:54] <apachelogger> some dude tried to start a thread on the chormium linux dev list about Qt 4.5 being LGPL and thus the better choice :D
[15:55] <Tm_T> apachelogger: and?
[15:55] <apachelogger> nothing
[15:55] <apachelogger> though
[15:55] <apachelogger> it is likely that I filter the mails form that list
[15:55] <apachelogger> so I wonder how that got even through
[15:55] <Tm_T> heh
[15:55]  * apachelogger didn't see a mail form that list in his inbox for months
[15:55] <apachelogger> might also be a dead list
[16:06] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:07] <apachelogger> why does flashplugin-nonfree suggest firefox* if I already have konqueror installed
[16:07] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:07] <Tm_T> apachelogger: because, err, Ubuntu developers are so fond to Firefox?
[16:09] <seaLne> apachelogger: do you listen to much ska?  i some times do just wondering if you had found any decent ska streams (assuming you do)
[16:10] <apachelogger> seaLne: no good streams out there, but I am also not listening to a whole lot of streams in general
[16:10] <apachelogger> + ska is best live anyway ;-)
[16:11] <seaLne> only been to see a ska band once, ex bf's sister was in a band
[16:13] <jussi01> what the heck is ska?
[16:14] <apachelogger> ~wp ska music
[16:14] <kubotu> no results found for music
[16:14] <apachelogger> ~wp ska
[16:14] <kubotu> Results for ska: 1. Ska: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska | 2. Ska punk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska_punk | 3. Ska - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska
[16:14] <kubotu> [1] This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (June 2007)
[16:15] <apachelogger> seaLne: ska bands usually make their gigs unique experiences
[16:19] <claydoh> ska= white college boy reggae-like tunes, sort of :)
[16:19] <apachelogger> well
[16:19] <apachelogger> ska can be many things
[16:19] <claydoh> exactly
[16:21] <apachelogger> nixternal: why is JontheEchidna still no motu? :P
[16:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Because only having enough votes to get accepted isn't enough.  MC can't make a decision without hearing from everyone.
[16:28]  * ScottK wonders who is waited on.
[16:29] <apachelogger> the problem is they are not saying anything
[16:29] <apachelogger> like not anything at all
[16:30] <Lure> samppa: did you found new digikam?
[16:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: It waits soren and geser to vote.
[16:35] <ScottK> Sput: You around?
[16:52] <samppa> Lure: no, i saw only jaunty package there
[16:56] <jjesse-dell9> afternoon
[17:31] <Lure> samppa: uf, my mistake - did not change release name in upload...
[17:32]  * Lure needs intrepid machine for testings
[17:39] <Lure> samppa: packages being built now. sorry for this
[17:42] <samppa> Lure: no problem, good that the fix is coming :)
[17:58] <smarter> apachelogger/ScottK: I think I found a bug with quassel's packaging
[17:58] <apachelogger> don't be silly :P
[17:59] <smarter> it uses /var/log/quassel/ for logging
[17:59] <smarter> except /var/log/quassel doesn't exist.
[18:03] <smarter> apachelogger: ^ :]
[18:03] <apachelogger> hm
[18:03] <apachelogger> happens
[18:04] <apachelogger> smarter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/105987/
[18:04] <apachelogger> that dir should exist
[18:06] <smarter> what's the dpkg-configure --lt stuff for?
[18:06] <smarter> *--compare-version
[18:06] <apachelogger> lower than
[18:06] <smarter> if i understand correctly, the whole stuff is only run if version is lower than 0.2?
[18:06] <smarter> yup
[18:07] <apachelogger> smarter: nil should be lower 0.2
[18:07] <apachelogger> and $2 is nil for initial install
[18:09] <apachelogger> smarter: These treat an empty version as earlier than any version: lt le eq ne ge gt. These treat an empty version as later than any version: lt-nl le-nl ge-nl gt-nl.
[18:09] <LaserJock> that's kind of an interesting way of doing that
[18:11] <LaserJock> I don't remember exactly but I'd have thought you could have done that via $1 = install vs upgrade cases
[18:13] <smarter> apachelogger: except I already had quassel installed
[18:13] <apachelogger> hmmm
[18:13] <apachelogger> ha!
[18:14] <apachelogger> smarter: good point
[18:14] <smarter> apachelogger: you can't expect everyone to have stayed with 0.2
[18:14] <apachelogger> well, logs were introduced later
[18:14] <smarter> you should probably do it the way LaserJock suggested
[18:15] <smarter> apachelogger: the 0.3.0 in intrepid doesn't have logs afaik
[18:15] <apachelogger> the used approach seems to be more common
[18:15] <apachelogger> but it's flawed
[18:15] <apachelogger> smarter: yeah
[18:15] <LaserJock> more common? I've never seen it that way
[18:15] <apachelogger> LaserJock: take a look at gdm and kdm then :P
[18:15] <jpds> Can't one just put var/log/quassel in debian/dirs?
[18:16]  * LaserJock thinks gdm and kdm aren't great standards to go by ;-)
[18:16] <apachelogger> oh well, they are the most used X11 apps anyway :P
[18:16]  * smarter +1 with jpds
[18:16] <smarter> jpds: hi!
[18:16] <apachelogger> anyway, the problem is that logs were introduced later than the dirs and that version check was only introduced recently
[18:17] <jpds> smarter: Hey there.
[18:17] <smarter> apachelogger: also, is a whole group and user for quassel really needed?
[18:17] <smarter> seem a bit overkill to me
[18:17] <apachelogger> smarter: so you'd rather have it run as root?
[18:19] <apachelogger> jpds: that wouldn't remove the dir
[18:20] <smarter> huh, maybe not ^^"
[18:22] <jpds> apachelogger: I thought you were trying to create on.
[18:22] <jpds> -e*
[18:22] <apachelogger> jpds: we are creating one, just not in all cases that it would be necessary ;-)
[18:36] <ScottK> Whoever fixes it, I mad a boobo on debian/changelog in the last upload.  It's fixed in bzr, so please use that.
[18:37] <ScottK> (meaning quassel)
[18:39] <samppa> Lure: digikam working again with the new build :)
[18:52] <mok0> That plasmoid-adjustableclock I uploaded has been a huge embarrassment
[18:54] <NCommander> hey apachelogger
[18:55] <Tm_T> mok0: er?
[18:55] <mok0> It FTBFS on every platform except my own (amd64) and hppa :-/
[18:56] <Tm_T> lovely
[18:59]  * jussi01 kicks Tm_T, BACK TO WORK, I want qt 4.5! :D
[19:00] <Tm_T> jussi01: I'm not paid developer, so no need to kick me
[19:09] <Tm_T> jussi01: or, was that offer to finance me? (;)
[19:10] <jussi01> nope.... :P
[19:10] <Tm_T> bah
[19:10] <Tm_T> then let's see if I won lottery then
[19:10] <jussi01> Tm_T: though I hear nokia are hiring...
[19:11] <Tm_T> jussi01: I know they are
[19:11] <Tm_T> I afraid they won't hire me though
[19:11] <Tm_T> I don't have enough experience I'd say
[19:11] <Tm_T> but I do have my information in their system
[19:11] <jussi01> Tm_T: thats cause you are unwilling to move...
[19:12] <Tm_T> jussi01: well that shouldn't be a problem =)
[19:14] <smarter> what's preventing a build of qt4.5?
[19:14] <Tm_T> smarter: my skills in packaging
[19:14] <smarter> :P
[19:15] <smarter> should only be a matter of dch -i no?
[19:15] <Tm_T> smarter: no, patches patches patches
[19:15] <Tm_T> smarter: except, now debian has it packaged, so that part of it is actually done
[19:15] <smarter> orly?
[19:15] <smarter> where?
[19:16] <Tm_T> in their svn, let me get the url for you
[19:18] <smarter> thanks
[19:20] <Tm_T> smarter: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/qt4-x11
[19:21]  * smarter svn co that
[19:21] <Tm_T> smarter: I think there's packaging info for qt 4.5 too, if not, slap me
[19:21] <smarter> what kind of infos?
[19:22] <Tm_T> smarter: well, debian dir mostly should be there
[19:22] <Tm_T> if anything is missing, I'll try to help
[19:22] <smarter> hmm, qt4-x11 (4.4.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
[19:23] <Tm_T> hmh, so they haven't updated that
[19:23] <smarter> first line of the changelog
[19:23] <Tm_T> let me relook
[19:24] <smarter> wow, they're already at revision 13418 O_o
[19:24] <Tm_T> er
[19:24] <smarter> ubottu: lulz
[19:25] <Tm_T> smarter: yeah, whole svn, not only that package
[19:25] <smarter> oh :p
[19:26] <Tm_T> smarter: bah, cannot find
[19:26] <Tm_T> smarter: anyway, basicly try to remove as much as possible patches
[19:27] <smarter> most of the patches come from qt-copy
[19:27] <smarter> which will soon be updated for 4.5
[19:27] <Tm_T> smarter: yes, and most of those patches are already in 4.5
[19:27] <smarter> that should make things easier (:
[19:27] <Tm_T> so they fail
[19:27] <smarter> "Please note that it is a violation of intergalactic law to use this parameter under false pretenses, so don't let us catch you at it." (http://docs.google.com:80/?action=unsupported_browser ) these Google guys really have nothing better to do :P
[19:28] <Tm_T> smarter: nah
[19:28] <Tm_T> smarter: even better "Huomaa, että on galaksienvälisen lain rikkomista käyttää tätä parametriä vääriin tarkoituksiin, joten älä jää kiinni itse teossa.
[19:28] <Tm_T> Ja se ei todellakaan toimi hyvin."
[19:28] <Tm_T> smarter: yes, it's localised
[19:29] <smarter> haha
[19:29] <smarter> not in French thought
[19:29] <Tm_T> aa but nobody speaks french
[19:31] <smarter> pff :p
[19:53] <ScottK> smarter: Did you fix quassel?
[19:53] <smarter> ScottK: nop
[19:53] <smarter> been doing homeworks
[19:54]  * ScottK considers to speak to smarter about priorities.
[19:54] <smarter> is it on bzr?
[19:54] <ScottK> Yes
[19:54] <smarter> :P
[19:55] <smarter> cool
[19:55] <smarter> ScottK: url?
[19:55] <ScottK> Just a second.
[19:56]  * ScottK hands smarter http://xkcd.com/519/ first
[19:56] <smarter> hehe, already read it
[19:56] <ScottK> Not that I particulalry recommend Perl, but youget the idea
[19:56] <smarter> I actually did some perls for the first time ever two weeks ago, customized and bug fixed a doxygen comment generator I found on the net
[19:58] <ScottK> smarter: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/quassel/ubuntu
[19:59] <smarter> thanks
[19:59] <ScottK> smarter: Use the debian/changelog in bzr, not in the package.  I slipped up on the last upload
[20:02] <LaserJock> is the new network manager plasmoid in Jaunty yet?
[20:02] <vorian> how the heck to you connect a device to the new amarok?
[20:05] <ScottK> LaserJock: It's not, but Tonio_ reported success with it and is (IIRC) working on a package.
[20:05] <LaserJock> ScottK: ok, just wondered if I was looking in the wrong place
[20:06] <ScottK> LaserJock: Tonio_ described http://planetemu.net/temp/nm as a quick and dirty, but working package.
[20:09] <nhandler> ScottK: DktrKranz thinks that my pbuilder issue might be fixed in debootstrap 1.0.10ubuntu2, but 1.0.10ubuntu1 is the version in intrepid backports. Should I request a backport for it?
[20:11] <ScottK> nhandler: Yes.  Please request it for Intrepid and Hardy both.
[20:11] <NCommander> ScottK, hola
[20:11] <nhandler> ScottK: Will do.
[20:11] <ScottK> Hola NCommander.
[20:11] <NCommander> ScottK, care to sponsor kde4libs?
[20:12] <nhandler> ScottK: Should I first verify that the new version really fixes the issue I am having, or should I just request the backport? My internet is going very slow right now, so I the less navigating of LP, the better
[20:13] <ScottK> nhandler: Yes
[20:13] <ScottK> NCommander: Again?  It built?
[20:13] <NCommander> ScottK, it did?
[20:13] <ScottK> Yep
[20:13] <NCommander> ScottK, its still showing 0ubuntu1/FTBFS on ARM
[20:14] <NCommander> oh
[20:14] <NCommander> the FTBFS page is lagging
[20:14] <NCommander> :-/
[20:14] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2/+build/840299
[20:14] <NCommander> yeah, I just checked it by hand
[20:14] <NCommander> did you retry all the failed builds?
[20:15] <ScottK> pimlibs will be done in about an hour
[20:15] <ScottK> I didn't look past that
[20:15]  * ScottK has been out.
[20:16] <NCommander> Oh good, so its not horribly broken like the inital beta port was :-)
[20:16] <ScottK> No idea.
[20:19]  * ScottK heads out for more errands ....
[20:28] <smarter> ScottK: don't have time to dive in debian doc about postinst nor to test it so this will have to wait unless somebody else does it
[20:30] <apachelogger> yo NCommander
[20:30] <NCommander> apachelogger, core dev app please :-)
[20:31] <apachelogger> bug 316256 do people really think 3000000000000 lines of (no debugging symbols found) is useful?
[20:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: sounds familiar ^
[20:31] <apachelogger> ?
[20:31] <apachelogger> NCommander: tell me what to write
[20:31] <NCommander> apachelogger, something positive :-P
[20:31] <NCommander> apachelogger, anyway, how are things for you?
[20:31] <apachelogger> nice guy, working hard
[20:32] <apachelogger> all I can say :P
[20:32] <NCommander> How about submitting patches upstream , doesn't break stuff, that sorta thing ;-)
[20:32] <NCommander> *shot*
[20:32] <apachelogger> well, you are being sponsored that implies not breaking things mostly ;-)
[20:33] <apachelogger> NCommander: drunk ... my bf decided we need to visit some friends because he was bored...
[20:33]  * apachelogger hates when he does that
[20:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea i had a few crashes there as well - not lately though and no idea if it is filed upstream - you'd need to ask Frederik
[20:33] <Nightrose> or dani_l
[20:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: so why is none of those 2 in here? :P
[20:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:39] <LaserJock> bah, why does amarok have to use mysql :(
[20:40] <LaserJock> I really dislike having to install postfix
[20:41] <NCommander> Riddell, when you around, I'd like to ask you a favor
[20:42] <nhandler> ScottK: Glad I tested. The debootstrap from Jaunty didn't solve my pbuilder problem :( I guess I'll keep searching for a solution
[20:43] <apachelogger> LaserJock: mysql-5.1's packaging needs to be changed
[20:44] <apachelogger> it really just depends on libmysqlclient and the /usr/share/mysql stuff
[20:44] <LaserJock> apachelogger: will that drop the MTA dependency?
[20:44] <apachelogger> mostly
[20:44] <apachelogger> currently it drags in the whole server
[20:45] <apachelogger> LaserJock: btw, if you know how to make autotools to use usr/share/mysql-5.1 for pkgdatadir instead of ../mysql I'd really appreciate some help :)
[20:46]  * apachelogger is not able to cope with autotools' way of having its own mind after using cmake for so long :)
[20:47] <nixternal> ~twitter sitting at the Chicago LUG event preparing to give a presentation for the Ubuntu Global Bug Jam
[20:47] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[20:47] <nixternal> bastard
[20:47] <nixternal> ~identify
[20:47] <LaserJock> apachelogger: well, I'm not sure but what source package do I need to pull to look?
[20:47] <smarter> apachelogger: care to fix the quassel postinst stuff? :]
[20:49] <apachelogger> LaserJock: mysql-dfsg-5.1
[20:49] <apachelogger> smarter: already have the file open, but being not sober makes that more difficult :P
[20:50] <smarter> apachelogger: I'm pretty sure debian docs make sense with the right amount of alcool in your blood
[20:53] <LaserJock> hmm, does the new mysql install for anybody?
[20:55] <apachelogger> LaserJock: there are "some" issues
[20:55]  * apachelogger had to wipe all of mysql to get any mysql installed again
[20:58] <owh> apachelogger: So, how do I answer your question?
[20:58] <apachelogger> answered myself ;-)
[20:58] <owh> Heh
[20:58] <apachelogger> owh: there is currently another problem really ... taskjuggler is still KDE 3 and thus it's documentation is using a different path than (KDE4's) khelpcenter searches in
[20:59] <apachelogger> + I think it would try to invoke the wrong khelpcenter anyway
[20:59] <owh> Wonderful :(
[21:00] <owh> We'll see shortly what it does :)
[21:01]  * owh crosses fingers.
[21:02] <owh> apachelogger: Hmm, "Could not launch the KDE Help Centre: Could not find service 'khelpcentre'."
[21:03] <apachelogger> yeah, trying to invoke the wrong KHC
[21:03] <owh> That would be a new bug :)
[21:03] <apachelogger> already reported somewhere
[21:03] <apachelogger> as is the bug that would appear if you start KHC manually and try to read the doc of a KDE 3 app :P
[21:03] <apachelogger> but one bug at a time
[21:04] <owh> So, meanwhile, back at the ranch, what do I do?
[21:07] <apachelogger> sudo cp -rf /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/taskjuggler /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/
[21:07] <owh> ln instead?
[21:07] <apachelogger> can try, I wouldn't bet on it though
[21:07] <apachelogger> that should copy it the right path... then when you start khelpcenter manually you should be able to read the docs without annoying first start dialog
[21:08] <apachelogger> smarter: they are more confusing than ever :P
[21:09] <apachelogger> LaserJock: btw, it appears to me only preinst gets called with upgrade as argument
[21:09] <owh> apachelogger: We have lift-off, symbolic link worked just fine. No index prompt.
[21:09] <LaserJock> apachelogger: ah, interesting
[21:10] <apachelogger> LaserJock: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-mscriptsinstact
[21:10] <owh> apachelogger: I'll add a comment to the bug report for others.
[21:10] <apachelogger> owh: k, thx
[21:14] <owh> apachelogger: Now that you made it possible to read the help without bombardment, how do we actually go about fixing it, or is this already under-way and I should pull my head in?
[21:14] <apachelogger> owh: someone needs to rewrite khelpcenter
[21:15] <owh> ROTFL, small task then :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> actually it is
[21:15] <apachelogger> KDE 4 provides file indexer and parser, one just needs to tweak them towards the needs of khelpcenter and redo the GUI
[21:15]  * owh gets ready for bad news.
[21:15] <apachelogger> that way one can provide indexing out of the box
[21:16] <apachelogger> and doesn't have to rely on all the perl that it uses currently in the backend
[21:16] <apachelogger> there is just none up to that task
[21:17] <owh> none, or no-one?
[21:17] <apachelogger> latter
[21:18] <owh> Hmm, just for fun, I launched the documentation URL in Firefox, seems usable :)
[21:18] <apachelogger> smarter: suggestions about that quassel fix? ... I was thinking about introducing a new if configure && version lower $blah
[21:19] <apachelogger> owh: in theory even the gnome helpcenter should be able to use it
[21:19] <apachelogger> there is just no spec to unify doc search paths
[21:19] <owh> apachelogger: Now that's an interesting idea.
[21:19] <apachelogger> I think nixternal is working on something like that
[21:20] <owh> apachelogger: No, but I suppose a sym-link might just be enough?
[21:20] <apachelogger> I am not sure how the gnome helpcenter searches for documentation ... KDE's is following a kde-specific path setting in the application's desktop file
[21:21] <apachelogger> but technically symlinking is enough to expose the documentation to the helpcenter's search path ... getting it listed is a different story ;-)
[21:21] <LaserJock> apachelogger: gnome does it quite a bit differently
[21:21] <owh> Enlighten us :)
[21:22] <smarter> apachelogger: you could check if /var/log/quassel exists (and maybe if the user and group exist too)
[21:22] <LaserJock> well, in gnome you register a doc with scrollkeeper/rarian and the system docs are usually dropped in /usr/share/gnome/help/
[21:22] <apachelogger> -(~:$)-> grep 'Doc' /usr/share/applications/kde/taskjuggler.desktop
[21:23] <LaserJock> I don't think it uses search paths or .desktop files
[21:23] <apachelogger> DocPath=taskjuggler/index.html
[21:23] <apachelogger> I find that approach more sane :P
[21:23] <LaserJock> and it doesn't use HTML either
[21:23] <LaserJock> so .. quite a bit different than KDE's system
[21:23] <apachelogger> no
[21:23] <apachelogger> KDE uses docbook
[21:23] <apachelogger> but it can handle HTML
[21:23] <LaserJock> does it now?
[21:23] <smarter> now, that's a minimalistic shell prompt
[21:23] <apachelogger> for quite some time
[21:24] <LaserJock> for KDE4? I was pretty sure KDE 3 couldn't
[21:24] <apachelogger> back in the days it didn't, which the reason KHC expects the docpath to be defined with /index.html
[21:24] <apachelogger> LaserJock: it could at least parse them I think
[21:24] <apachelogger> LaserJock: also, there were no improvements in KHC for KDE4 ;-)
[21:24] <LaserJock> Gnome's help system is similar, it does docbook but can do HTML as well I believe
[21:24] <LaserJock> too bad
[21:24] <apachelogger> in general KHC could be a pretty decent app
[21:24] <LaserJock> both Gnome and KDE doc systems could use some real help
[21:24] <apachelogger> it also hooks into scrollkepper, so you get gnome docs in KDE (in theory)
[21:25] <apachelogger> + it parses manpages and whatnot
[21:25] <apachelogger> LaserJock: dockit to the rescue ;-)
[21:26] <apachelogger> smarter: checking for their existance is pointless
[21:26] <LaserJock> apachelogger: well, there's supposed be this mythical "Project Mallard" that something like that
[21:26] <apachelogger> smarter: that is why the maintainer scripts get called with the version in the first place
[21:26] <LaserJock> but it's got some interesting features like a new format/language for writing docs
[21:27] <claydoh> are there any guide/docs for quassel?
[21:27] <apachelogger> LaserJock: what we need is a lib shared amongst all doc viewer apps, handling indexing and parsing and stuff
[21:27]  * claydoh needs to write soem sort of how-to once he learns how-to
[21:27] <LaserJock> apachelogger: yeah, I agree
[21:27] <apachelogger> LaserJock: the actually apps should just be guis parsing whatever data the lib spits out
[21:28] <LaserJock> apachelogger: it's such a common thing that it really could use a common system for the backend
[21:28] <apachelogger> claydoh: don't think so... well, other than the stuff on the website anyway
[21:28] <claydoh> apachelogger: heh not much there, if any :(
[21:28] <LaserJock> oh, I've got a question for you experienced KDE4'ers
[21:29] <apachelogger> LaserJock: yeah, KHC is actually just a couple of widgets surrinding a KHTML kpar to view the doc content ;-)
[21:29] <LaserJock> whenever I open Dolphin it doesn't go to ~/
[21:29] <owh> apachelogger, LaserJock, it's been fun. Thanks both for your time. It's time for bed.
[21:29] <apachelogger> everything else is done in the backend
[21:29] <apachelogger> owh: good night
[21:29] <apachelogger> LaserJock: does it go to /Documents?
[21:30] <LaserJock> kinda
[21:30] <apachelogger> we talked about that earlier ... Nightrose and vorian have that as well
[21:30] <apachelogger> no clue as to why though
[21:30] <apachelogger> never saw that issue
[21:30] <LaserJock> it does but my ~/Documents is actually a symlink somewhere else and it goes there
[21:30] <LaserJock> I've seen this both on Intrepid and Jaunty
[21:31] <apachelogger> hm
[21:31] <Nightrose> LaserJock: you can change it in systemsettings -> about me
[21:31] <apachelogger> all 3 of you must have temperated with some setting :P
[21:31] <Nightrose> but it doesn't stick
[21:31] <Nightrose> narf
[21:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i definitely have not ;-)
[21:31] <apachelogger> seriously, there must be something you did or installed to trigger that issue
[21:31] <Nightrose> any ideas what it could be?
[21:31] <apachelogger> not really
[21:31] <LaserJock> it says in the Dolphin preferences that it should go to my home folder
[21:31] <Nightrose> LaserJock: same here
[21:32] <apachelogger> LaserJock: that is broken I heared
[21:32] <apachelogger> weird as well though
[21:32] <LaserJock> Nightrose: do you have a bug report for it?
[21:33] <Nightrose> LaserJock: there is a kde bug for it yes
[21:33] <LaserJock> I'm also somewhat confused by "Root"
[21:33] <Nightrose> sec - i'll try to find the link
[21:33] <LaserJock> normally I would think of it going to /root
[21:33] <LaserJock> and it's a red icon like you would see for a root user
[21:33] <LaserJock> kinda confusing
[21:33] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:34] <Nightrose> LaserJock: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177474
[21:34] <Nightrose> LaserJock: what does root do for you?
[21:34] <apachelogger> aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:35] <apachelogger> I blame ubuntu :P
[21:35] <LaserJock> Nightrose: it takes me to /
[21:35] <apachelogger> LaserJock, Nightrose: please paste your .config/user-dirs.dirs
[21:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I wondered about that, I mess with user-dirs.dirs
[21:36] <LaserJock> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/106063/
[21:36]  * apachelogger giggles
[21:37] <Nightrose> http://pastebin.com/d4c68eb5b
[21:37] <LaserJock> but for the last 6 years of Linux usage when you say "root" with a big red icon that means /root/
[21:37] <apachelogger> my pension that it will work if you change the documetns path :P
[21:37] <LaserJock> well sure, but why the heck would i want to do that?
[21:38] <apachelogger> well
[21:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but won't that get overwritten on next start?
[21:38] <apachelogger> no
[21:38] <LaserJock> Nightrose: no
[21:38] <Nightrose> ok
[21:38]  * Nightrose tries
[21:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: xdg defines $USER overrides $SYSTEM
[21:38] <Nightrose> k
[21:38] <apachelogger> LaserJock: a) snapshot of that root problem
[21:39] <apachelogger> b) multiple options to the problem:
[21:39] <apachelogger> * something changed in ubuntu at some point confusing KDE
[21:39] <apachelogger> unlikely ;-)
[21:39] <apachelogger> * Qt is returning a wrong path when queried for $HOME
[21:39] <apachelogger> * KDE returns a wrong path when queried for $HOME
[21:40] <LaserJock> well, is Dolphin using XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR ?
[21:40] <apachelogger> * Dolphin is being smart and uses $DOCUMENTPATH for $HOME
[21:40] <LaserJock> I don't think it should
[21:40] <Nightrose> +1
[21:40] <LaserJock> I want it to use what I tell it
[21:40] <smarter> I think it does
[21:40] <LaserJock> and it says that it defaults to $HOME
[21:40] <Nightrose> right
[21:41] <apachelogger> hm
[21:41] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/106066/
[21:41] <LaserJock> XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR should certainly be in Places
[21:42]  * apachelogger is wondering why that stupid app uses Qt over KDE :P
[21:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:42] <apachelogger> hm
[21:43] <apachelogger> LaserJock, Nightrose: if you start dolphin from $terminal ... where does it go
[21:43] <apachelogger> make sure you have all other dolphin windows closed before
[21:43] <LaserJock> huh, it goes to $HOME
[21:43] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:43] <apachelogger> Exec=dolphin %i -caption "%c" "%u"
[21:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i already changed XDG_DIRS and it works fine now
[21:44] <apachelogger> how would that Exec line cause that it goes elsewhere
[21:44] <Nightrose> hope it is the same after a restart ;-)
[21:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: honey, don't question me!
[21:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *g* I never would honey :P
[21:44] <apachelogger> you just did :P
[21:44] <Nightrose> how could i question the mighty ninja
[21:45] <apachelogger> good question indeed
[21:45]  * apachelogger is wondering why his keyboard is blinking that stupid battery light so often
[21:45] <LaserJock> hmm, a lot of KDE apps don't seem to have man pages
[21:45] <apachelogger> draining my battery like that
[21:45] <apachelogger> LaserJock: most of them only accept KDE default options + maybe a URL anyway
[21:45] <apachelogger> besides --help
[21:49] <LaserJock> apachelogger: yeah, so if I edit the dolphin menu item to be just "dolphin" it works as it should
[21:49] <apachelogger> execve("/usr/bin/dolphin", ["dolphin", "-icon", "system-file-manager", "-caption", "Dolphin", "", "--nofork"], [/* 34 vars */]) = 0
[21:49] <apachelogger> straced
[21:50] <LaserJock> apachelogger: in fact, when I do that then the dolphin configuration setting works
[21:50] <apachelogger> most weird
[21:50] <apachelogger> how does it know what to use?
[21:50] <apachelogger> pathwise
[21:51] <apachelogger> that call from $menu doesn't seem to be any different
[21:52] <LaserJock> well, if I call just dolphin it uses .kde/share/config/dolphinrc
[21:53] <apachelogger> LaserJock: and when started from the menu it does not?
[21:54] <LaserJock> apachelogger: as long as the menu item is just "dolphin" it does
[21:55] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:56] <LaserJock> apachelogger: got it!
[21:56] <LaserJock> dolphin %i -caption "%c" "%u" doesn't work, but dolphin %i -caption "%c" %u does ;-)
[21:57]  * apachelogger reads the xdg spec :P
[21:58] <apachelogger> ah
[21:58] <apachelogger> LaserJock: got an strace of that?
[21:59] <apachelogger> the one I pasted contains an empty ""
[21:59] <apachelogger> execve("/usr/bin/dolphin", ["dolphin", "-icon", "system-file-manager", "-caption", "Dolphin", "--nofork"], [/* 34 vars */]) = 0
[22:00] <apachelogger> LaserJock: I think we have found ourselfs a bug ;-)
[22:02] <LaserJock> apachelogger: well, that's good at least :-)
[22:02] <apachelogger> it's flawed
[22:02] <apachelogger> the "" is unecessary
[22:02] <apachelogger> just tired with xdg-open, they get added automagically
[22:05] <apachelogger> also grepping the other KDE apps shows that they also use %u/%U without quotation marks
[22:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pling
[22:06] <LaserJock> apachelogger: so is it just a bug with the dolphin .desktop?
[22:06] <apachelogger> well, yes, and no
[22:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: plong
[22:06] <apachelogger> LaserJock: the question is really why dolphin goes to documentsdir if it is called with an empty URL
[22:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: didn't you say some other component was affected as well?
[22:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: file open and save was acting up as well iirc
[22:07] <Nightrose> and the file browser in kate
[22:07] <Nightrose> that one definitely also used documents as starting folder
[22:08] <LaserJock> apachelogger: well, if they're trying to be smart the fallback to XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR if it can't open the URL
[22:08] <LaserJock> apachelogger: is it an empty or a bad URL?
[22:08] <apachelogger> empty... see the first execve line I pasted
[22:08] <apachelogger> LaserJock: also, it makes sense for most documents, certainly not for dolphin
[22:09] <LaserJock> hmm
[22:09] <LaserJock> on the CLI if I do dolphin "" I get the right directory anyway :/
[22:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is peter on IRC?
[22:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: rarely
[22:10] <apachelogger> LaserJock: maybe it is the combination of those settings?
[22:11] <apachelogger> doesn't seem so
[22:13] <apachelogger> spec sezs:
[22:13] <apachelogger>  
[22:13] <apachelogger>  Implementations must take care not to expand field codes into multiple arguments unless explicitly instructed by this specification. This means that name fields, filenames and other replacements that can contain spaces must be passed as a single argument to the executable program after expansion.
[22:13] <apachelogger> means we must not care why dolphin falls back to documents since the desktop file is flawed anyway :P
[22:14] <apachelogger> I am wondering why all the KDE apps quote %c though
[22:15] <apachelogger> LaserJock: can you check if any GNOME apps do that?
[22:15] <LaserJock> apachelogger: do what specifically?
[22:16] <LaserJock> the fallback or handle quoting the same?
[22:16] <apachelogger> LaserJock: have -capation "%c" in their exec line
[22:16] <apachelogger> most of the KDE apps do that, even though the spec suggests it's unnecessary
[22:19] <LaserJock> apachelogger: heh, *no* apps other KDE4 ones do that on my Intrepid Ubuntu system
[22:20] <LaserJock> *other than
[22:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: I wonder if it got copied from old KDE3 packages and not corrected.
[22:21] <apachelogger> possibly
[22:21] <apachelogger> doesn't do any harm
[22:21] <apachelogger> either way worth sending a mail to kde-devel
[22:21] <apachelogger> anyone wanna do that?
[22:21]  * ScottK looks around for someone subscribed to kde-devel?
[22:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[22:22] <Nightrose> ScottK: yea
[22:22]  * ScottK goes to pick up $ELDEST_CHILD from work.
[22:22] <Nightrose> what do you need?
[22:22] <ScottK> Nightrose: Just read farther  back.
[22:23] <Nightrose> ah i can send it but no time to write it sorry
[22:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ScottK will write a mail you have to forward to kde-devel, since you are lazy and ScottKis not :P
[22:23] <Nightrose> haha
[22:23] <Nightrose> perfect
[22:23] <ScottK> No.  I'm leaving and my old tired brain will have forgotten by the time I get back.
[22:23]  * ScottK waves bye-bye.
[22:26] <apachelogger> haha
[22:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have time to lure  kevin_kofler in?
[22:36]  * apachelogger is wondering if that highlighted Lure :P
[22:37] <Nightrose> hmmm let me try
[22:38] <Nightrose> apachelogger: asked
[22:38] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: heya
[22:39] <Kevin_Kofler> Hi! So why did I get summoned here? :-)
[22:39] <Nightrose> *lol*
[22:39] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: first of all: I am working on a fix for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466266 ... secondly we are low on hackers right now and need to deploy a mail to kde-devel, and would know if you have time to write that mail ;-)
[22:40] <Kevin_Kofler> @first: Great! @second: Well, I'm fairly busy as well... What should the mail be about?
[22:41] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: we basically just want to inform everyone that the quotation -caption "%c"  in desktop files is not necessary according to spec and not common in gnomeland, so we should drop it
[22:41] <apachelogger> the dolphin issue is caused by quotating %u, so in general everyone should refrain from using quotes on the replacement codes
[22:41] <Kevin_Kofler> What should it use then? -caption %c? Or nothing at all?
[22:42] <apachelogger> -caption %c
[22:42] <apachelogger> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html#exec-variables
[22:42] <apachelogger> Implementations must take care not to expand field codes into multiple arguments unless explicitly instructed by this specification. This means that name fields, filenames and other replacements that can contain spaces must be passed as a single argument to the executable program after expansion.
[22:43] <LaserJock> apachelogger: Gnomeland doesn't use -caption period that I can see, I'm not sure whether they'd quote it or not
[22:44] <apachelogger> hm
[22:45] <apachelogger> hm
[22:45] <apachelogger> LaserJock: did you grep for %c or -caption?
[22:45]  * apachelogger thinks -caption is a Qt/KDE option really
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> How does the following sound? I mostly just used your information and brought it into a coherent form. (Sorry, long paste coming.)
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> Subject: Unnecessary quoting in .desktop files
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> We noticed that several KDE .desktop files are quoting their substitutions,
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> e.g.:
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> -caption "%c"
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> According to the desktop-entry-spec:
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html#exec-variables
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> this is not necessary:
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> > Implementations must take care not to expand field codes into multiple
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> > arguments unless explicitly instructed by this specification. This means that
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> > name fields, filenames and other replacements that can contain spaces must be
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> > passed as a single argument to the executable program after expansion.
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> Instead, the substitution should not be quoted:
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> -caption %c
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> In some cases, this actually causes bugs. For example, "%u" does not work,
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> causing https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466266
[22:48] <Kevin_Kofler> Also note that GNOME does not use this type of quoting in their .desktop files.
[22:49] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: sounds good to me :)
[22:50]  * apachelogger just noticed that dolphin doesn't even follow the caption argument
[22:50] <apachelogger> choqok does ... hooray for choqok :D
[22:51] <Kevin_Kofler> It's interesting that ubottu actually handles foreign bug trackers currently. The bot which runs in some Fedora channels (e.g. #fedora-meeting) always thinks every bug URL is from bugzilla.redhat.com, if we post about a KDE bug, it'll look up the unrelated RH one which happens to have the same number. :-/
[22:51] <Kevin_Kofler> s/currently/correctly/
[22:52] <LaserJock> apachelogger: I grepped for caption and I tried to grep for %c but I'm not sure if my grep foo was right
[22:52] <apachelogger> grep -r -i "%c" /usr/share/applications/
[22:53] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: all thanks to our very own stdin :)
[22:53] <LaserJock> apachelogger: yep, just KDE
[22:53] <apachelogger> filling up the bot with python love
[22:54] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: any clue what software your bot is running?
[22:55] <Kevin_Kofler> I think it's the same old bugbot software also running on some KDE chans, just tuned to use bugzilla.redhat.com instead of bugs.kde.org.
[23:00] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler: if you have some kind of bot maintainer I recommend poking stdin some time. ubottu got loads of fine features, e.g. a factoids feature, which proofs very useful in our support channels :)
[23:08] <apachelogger> hm
[23:10] <apachelogger> sebas: it just hit me ... we could make automatic commit parsing a lot easier if we establish a policy to just reference the original commit for a backport... then the script could grab the description from that commit and the whole message will make more sense in most cases
[23:10] <apachelogger> a max. message length would be useful I guess :)
[23:12] <apachelogger> Kevin_Kofler, Nightrose, vorian, LaserJock: dolphin's %u fix commited for 4.2 and 4.3
[23:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *hug*
[23:12]  * apachelogger is wondering if we even have an ubuntu bug for that
[23:14] <apachelogger> anyway .. back to NCommander's core dev app
[23:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: We fix the bugs before they can even become bugs ....
[23:14] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: the changes to bug triage must have been better than I thought ;-)
[23:15] <Kevin_Kofler> :-)
[23:16] <apachelogger> NCommander: mine was better integrated in the desktop btw :P
[23:16] <apachelogger> even had a desktop file ^_^
[23:18] <LaserJock> apachelogger ++
[23:18] <LaserJock> hmm, messed it up, was gonna give apachelogger some karma
[23:18]  * apachelogger can hack the database and give himself more karma anyway :P
[23:18] <LaserJock> ~karma apachelogger
[23:18] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 7
[23:19] <LaserJock> ~karma apachelogger ++
[23:19] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help karma'
[23:19] <apachelogger> wasn't that like at 4 at only some days ago?
[23:19] <NCommander> ~karma ncommander
[23:19] <kubotu> karma for ncommander: 2
[23:19] <apachelogger> ~karma JontheEchidna
[23:19] <NCommander> ;.;
[23:19] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 8
[23:19] <NCommander> ncommander++
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gaining :P
[23:19] <mcasadevall> NCommander++
[23:19] <mcasadevall> ...
[23:19] <apachelogger> lol
[23:19] <mcasadevall> :-/
[23:19] <LaserJock> apachelogger++
[23:19] <mcasadevall> ~karma help
[23:19] <kubotu> karma for help: -3
[23:19] <mcasadevall> -_-
[23:19] <apachelogger> LaserJock++
[23:19] <mcasadevall> ~karma NCommander
[23:19] <kubotu> karma for NCommander: 4
[23:19] <LaserJock> ~karma apachelogger
[23:19] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 9
[23:19] <mcasadevall> Oh wait
[23:20] <mcasadevall> its working!
[23:20] <mcasadevall> NCommander++
[23:20] <mcasadevall> NCommander++
[23:20] <mcasadevall> ~karma NCommander
[23:20] <kubotu> karma for NCommander: 6
[23:20] <mcasadevall> AHAHA!
[23:20] <LaserJock> geeze, somebodies really pleased with themselves ;-)
[23:21] <apachelogger> ~karma NCommander
[23:21] <kubotu> karma for NCommander: 6
[23:21] <NCommander> ~karma NCommander
[23:21] <kubotu> karma for NCommander: 6
[23:21] <NCommander> ...
[23:21] <NCommander> I *think* I broke the bot
[23:21]  * apachelogger can't haxx0r the dtabase anymore
[23:21] <NCommander> bah
[23:21] <apachelogger> omg
[23:21] <NCommander> PMing the bot doesn't work
[23:21] <NCommander> me++
[23:21] <apachelogger> NCommander: that would be lame anyway
[23:21] <apachelogger> ~karmastats
[23:21] <kubotu> 248 items. Best: C (77); Worst: > (-24)
[23:22] <NCommander> What? I'm just correcting my karma for the US inflation rate.
[23:22] <apachelogger> I still wonder what >-- is
[23:22] <NCommander> ~karmastats
[23:22] <kubotu> 248 items. Best: C (77); Worst: > (-25)
[23:22] <NCommander> lol
[23:22] <LaserJock> NCommander: heh
[23:22] <NCommander> ~karma Python
[23:22] <kubotu> karma for Python: 1
[23:22] <apachelogger> ~karmaa NCommander
[23:22] <NCommander> ~karma NCommander
[23:22] <LaserJock> ~karma Ruby
[23:22] <kubotu> Ruby has neutral karma
[23:22] <kubotu> NCommander has neutral karma
[23:22] <apachelogger> broken
[23:22] <apachelogger> ah
[23:22] <apachelogger> :D
[23:22] <NCommander> apachelogger, no, you can't spell
[23:23] <NCommander> apachelogger--
[23:23] <NCommander> :-)
[23:23] <NCommander> (this is abuse of the bot and I know it
[23:23] <NCommander> Oh
[23:23] <apachelogger> ah
[23:23] <apachelogger> that does it
[23:23] <NCommander> I know how C is getting so high
[23:23] <apachelogger> no core dev recommendation for you
[23:23] <NCommander> C++ is a fun programming language :-)
[23:23] <NCommander> ~karma NCommander
[23:23] <kubotu> NCommander has neutral karma
[23:23] <NCommander> er
[23:23] <NCommander> ~karma C
[23:23] <kubotu> karma for C: 78
[23:23] <NCommander> yup
[23:23] <NCommander> C++ has been said 79 times in this channel
[23:24] <apachelogger> well
[23:24] <apachelogger> I said C-- at least once
[23:24] <NCommander> apachelogger++ && apachelogger++
[23:24] <NCommander> there, your karma is fixed
[23:24]  * apachelogger adds that to the mail
[23:24] <NCommander> wait, what?!
[23:25]  * NCommander begs apachelogger to ++ my application
[23:25] <NCommander> hrm ...
[23:25] <NCommander> ~karma to
[23:25] <kubotu> karma for to: 1
[23:25] <NCommander> lol
[23:25]  * NCommander finds he can be amused by simple things
[23:27] <apachelogger> NCommander: if that karma would reflect your core dev application....
[23:27] <NCommander> wait, what?
[23:28] <apachelogger> NCommander: what I did sponsor?
[23:29] <apachelogger> did I sponsor?
[23:29] <NCommander> A bunch of KDE portability fixes
[23:29]  * apachelogger thinks he doesn't sponsor because NCommander usually pings when apachelogger is in bed cuddeling with the laptop
[23:29] <apachelogger> no, hold on
[23:29] <apachelogger> cuddeling in bed, with laptop
[23:29] <apachelogger> no, also weird
[23:29] <apachelogger> scratch that
[23:29] <apachelogger> :P
[23:30] <apachelogger> NCommander: more precise please :P
[23:31] <NCommander> apachelogger, how about "falling asleep with my laptop on my chest for heat.
[23:31] <NCommander> :-)
[23:31] <apachelogger> hm
[23:31] <apachelogger> that doesn't fit the situation, much more weird than that
[23:31] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:31] <apachelogger> what did I sponsor?
[23:32] <apachelogger> NCommander: I am not going to take that release packaging into account because that was quite flawed IIRC
[23:34] <apachelogger> hm
[23:34] <apachelogger> tell you what
[23:35] <apachelogger> NCommander: KDE 4.2.0 is soon going to be released soonish ... how would you like coordinating and doing the reviewing for that?
[23:36] <apachelogger> soon soonish
[23:36]  * apachelogger should go to bed
[23:36] <NCommander> I'll think about it
[23:36] <apachelogger> NCommander: if that goes well I will even throw everyone in a well who claims you are not ready :P
[23:38] <NCommander> Tempting
[23:39] <apachelogger> NCommander: just tell me if you want to do it, then I'll drop a mail about it ... otherwise I will send what I have now, which I think doesn't help too much as it is no hard evidence of your qualification
[23:39] <NCommander> apachelogger, let me sleep on it
[23:40]  * NCommander has to make sure he will have the time to do it
[23:40] <NCommander> I'm doing a Xfce release this weekend/week so it might be a bit before we get that far
[23:41] <apachelogger> vorian: btw, we should start working on our talk :P
[23:46] <apachelogger> The current issue in workspace vs bindings is mostly a runtime vs buildtime
[23:46] <apachelogger> issue though.
[23:46] <apachelogger> workspace needs bindings at runtime, but actually not at build time. CMake
[23:46] <apachelogger> checks at build time.
[23:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[23:46] <ScottK> FYI, kde4libs and pimlibs are built on armel.  -runtime should finish in a bit and bindings sometime before the heat death of the universe.
[23:46] <apachelogger> btw
[23:46] <apachelogger> what happened to rgreening?
[23:47] <ScottK> Busy w/ $WORK last I heard
[23:47] <apachelogger> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/branches/kde4.2/packages/kdebase-workspace/debian/patches/23_do_not_depend_on_bindings.diff?rev=13106
[23:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Since upstream dumped all the nepomuk bindings anyway, not sure it matters for right now.
[23:48] <apachelogger> they did?
[23:48] <apachelogger> poor nepomuk
[23:48] <ScottK> Look at the first post-rc svn commit for bindings
[23:49]  * ScottK saved a copy.
[23:49] <apachelogger> it would be interesting if they came to conclusion what to do with the plasma bindings though
[23:49] <apachelogger> there was a discussion about that dep conflict at the packager list
[23:50]  * apachelogger notes that the packager list is not often leading to results from what he noticed :P
[23:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: you have 4.1.4?
[23:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes
[23:52] <ScottK> So far so good here.
[23:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: can you please test http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179921
[23:52]  * ScottK looks
[23:52] <apachelogger> I am not sure if I exchanged the tarball
[23:53] <ScottK> IIRC that fix it patched in
[23:53] <ScottK> I can certainly paste
[23:55] <apachelogger> yeah, jr fixed it
[23:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: thx
[23:55] <ScottK> There was some kind of OMG you must add this patch message.
[23:55]  * ScottK brain dumped the details after seeing the patch was in our package
[23:57] <apachelogger> yeah, dfaure sent it to kde-packager very close to release day and I didn't exchange the tarball right away because I was @work
[23:57] <apachelogger> anyway, all good :)
[23:57]  * ScottK considers the post-release point updates are going pretty good and maybe we ought to get formal permission from the tech board.
[23:58]  * ScottK and kees just did one for clamav.
[23:59]  * ScottK dinners