[00:03] alternate CD is broken... d-i loses keyboard and you can't do a darn thing [00:06] when? [00:07] right after I click Install Kubuntu [00:07] when it goes to the first d-i window [00:07] you can see the keyboard LEDs flash a couple of times and then go boom === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [00:43] Tonio_: there are some search-related updates to kpackagekit in their dev trunk, when you get time can you update? [01:26] Riddell: sorry, my wife pulled me away [01:27] looks like it's too late to report anyway [01:34] * claydoh looks up, sees lycoris mentioned and has fond memories of that 'new-user' distro [02:09] hi there [02:09] Riddell: when you read this, just to let you know I still try knetworkmanager kde4 regularly and I'm now getting very good results with it ;) [02:10] Tonio_: wow youre up late :) [02:10] still a build issue with the openvpn plugin, but I may provide packages soon [02:10] seele: yeah, 3 am here.... [02:10] seele: I'll bed soon, especially since I have a long day tomorrow :) [02:10] seele: you may be happy to know that networkmanager now seems to work decently [02:11] Tonio_: that's always good to hear :) [02:11] yup :) [02:12] k3b too on my side.... we'll end up with something good for the release I guess [02:17] Tonio_: knetworkmanager kde4? is the plasmoids? [02:20] freeflying_: yup [02:21] freeflying_: I have a working deb here if you wanna test ;) [02:21] Tonio_: no problem, I can test it for u :) [02:25] freeflying_, seele: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm [02:25] for tests :) [02:25] Tonio_: set perms.. 403 forbidden [02:27] seele: I just fixed the directory listing on the webserver :) [02:27] works now [02:27] vpn plgins are missing btw, still they break the build [02:28] * Tonio_ goes for one last cigarette and then beds.... [02:28] * seele waves [02:28] have a good night [02:28] seele: thanks :) [02:29] Tonio_: got it, will test it later :) [02:29] freeflying_: super, thanks ;) [02:29] Tonio_: welcome [02:29] the only thing that annoys me with those applets is that they take a lot of space in the bar.... [02:30] the battery one, the networkmanager, the trash etc... [02:30] I'd like to have them in the systray, I suspect this is possible somehow, but I don't know how... [02:30] Tonio_: we can add another panel :) [02:30] we'll eventually have to patch them.... [02:30] freeflying_: damn no !!! [02:31] freeflying_: the file copy one is an applet and is in the tray so that's possible.... we may have to patch a bit for that to happen :) [02:51] lmao: http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html [02:51] * JontheEchidna grabs mineral water and fruit juice [04:41] * ScottK returns to see that no one has sponsored kde4libs. [04:41] * ScottK does === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Alpha-3 Released | Test Upgrading! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidKDE42Upgrades | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | Qt: now even more permissive [05:25] * ScottK gives nixternal a nudge to make an Alpha 3 release announcent on kubuntu-devel. [05:25] * ScottK did the last one and is very tired right now. [06:33] NCommander: I've run out of steam. I'm going to bed. Your kde4libs change is test building. [06:33] If it's not uploaded by someone else tomorrow, I'll upload it. [09:09] * Riddell spots why his kde4libs upload didn't take, fixes and uploads [09:50] Riddell: hi [09:50] Riddell: I've been testing networkmanager plasma applet hardly since yesterday [09:51] Riddell: we may consider replacing the kde3 one soon :) it works like a charm (except from the vpn plugins...) [09:55] Tonio_: cool! what encryption do you use on your network? [09:55] (hi!) [09:56] Tonio_: cool. are you using the svn or is there a package somewhere? [09:57] also, could someone explain to me why the acpi update replaced all the conf files? [09:57] ie. http://paste.ubuntu.com/105835/ [09:59] JontheEchidna: hmm, why did you backported kdeaccessibility 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2 to 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3~intrepid1~ppa1? [09:59] JontheEchidna: or is the changelog missing the ubuntu3 entry? [10:05] smarter: wpa+psk [10:06] jussi01 you can find a quick and dirty package on http://planetemu.net/temp/nm [10:06] Tonio_: Ive got the svn installed :) [10:07] Tonio_: okay [10:07] jussi01 did the vpn plugins build for you ? [10:07] * smarter svn co the applet [10:07] jussi01 I had to patch not to build the openvpn plugin [10:08] Tonio_: they did, and seem to work, though ive not tried to connect to a vpn [10:08] smarter: hum... what revison are you using ? [10:08] smarter: hard to figure out that my build issue works for you :) [10:09] Tonio_: just got 912313 [10:09] smarter: it's caused by an outdated ui file... [10:09] smarter: weird........ [10:09] local or chroot pbuilder build ? [10:09] what? [10:09] huh, I didn't build it yet [10:09] Tonio_: Im on the RC1 now, but I built it originally on the beta [10:09] k [10:09] jussi01 well i'l give it another try... [10:10] Tonio_: good luck :=) [10:10] jussi01 it's a matter of 5 minutes :) [10:10] so anyone know the answer to my acpi question? [10:10] k3b also works pretty decently for me =) [10:10] from svn? [10:11] smarter: yup [10:11] cool [10:11] * smarter should give it another try [10:11] ooh, theres a new k3b? [10:11] jussi01: it's been WIP since more than a year I think [10:12] :) [10:12] jussi01 what networkmanager applet revision are you using ? [10:12] cause there was a hudge update 2 days ago on the svn [10:13] Tonio_: dunno how to check, but I updated and built around an hour ago [10:13] hum so you're up to date.... [10:13] jussi01 maybe you can try to build my source package in a pbuilder chroot, so that you can see my issue... [10:13] I couldn't fix it yesterday [10:15] Tonio_: just if you are curious, heres a screenshot of mine: http://imagebin.ca/view/DV_uhS.html [10:16] damn... it really works :) [10:16] * Tonio_ goes jalous ! [10:17] Tonio_: :D [10:17] maybe local build works and pbuilder fails.... [10:17] that can happen sometimes [10:17] could be a pbuilder fail [10:17] or could be some package you are missing? [10:18] jussi01 I don't think so [10:18] Tonio_: I ve no chroot setup here, maybe a quick pastebin of your errors? [10:18] it complains something misses in a UI file.... lemme show you [10:19] the build goes on [10:20] * jussi01 tries to remember the cmake options he used [10:21] hrm, wasnt any except prefixing to usr: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ../ [10:23] jussi01 should be the same in my case ;) [10:23] Tonio_: yeah. btw, im at rev 912317 [10:23] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=912317&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 912317 | CCMAIL: Valter Mura [10:24] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/105841/ [10:24] jussi01 same with me [10:25] Tonio_: curious... [10:25] I know :) [10:26] I still think youre missing a package somewhere :D (really no idea) :P [10:27] jussi01 don't think so.... [10:27] jussi01 especially looking at the code.... it doesn't make sense... [10:27] m_ui.x509PassPassword->setText( password ); [10:27] this line fails... [10:28] m_ui.x509PassCert->setPath( dataMap[NM_OPENVPN_KEY_CERT] ); [10:28] m_ui.x509PassKey->setPath( dataMap[NM_OPENVPN_KEY_KEY] ); [10:28] those work.... same class called..... doesn't make sense [10:28] Tonio_: out of curiousity, what version are you using? the RC1 from experimental repos? [10:28] jussi01 jaunty up to date [10:29] Tonio_: yeah, maybe theres some change from intrepid -> jaunty [10:31] possibly, indeed [10:33] jussi01 trying to build localy, we'll see [10:34] once we get network-manager and k3b in the only kde3 apps we'll have to replace is konversation..... [10:34] Tonio_: seems works well here [10:34] freeflying__: :'( [10:35] what the hell happens in my build ? [10:35] Tonio_: I think remove show plasma dashboard [10:35] Tonio_: I think we can remove show plasma dashboard [10:35] freeflying__: what are you talking about ? [10:36] ho the button.... why not [10:36] Tonio_: you said we'd patch nm plasmoids [10:37] that's a proposal, nothing else :) [10:38] jussi01 got it to build.... I probably corrupted a file while playing in the code.... fresh svn snapshot works :) [10:38] jussi01 I'll try to make a nice package toonight, so that we can consider replacing it in jaunty [10:39] * Tonio_ goes for a couple of hours... [10:40] jussi01 good point is that we're using openvpn at my company so I can test it deeply ;) [10:45] Can anybody tell why this patch (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171065) didn't make it into RC1 (amd64)? It's quite old? [10:46] KDE bug 171065 in audiocd "audiocd protocol genrate unplayable files" [Normal,New] [10:52] Tonio_: excellent [10:53] Tonio_: and the konversation replacement is quassel! :D [10:54] * jussi01 was just putting lunch on [11:14] Tonio_: we're already working at replacing konversation with quassel [11:26] smarter: whao is responsible for the final decision on whether it makes it in btw? (quassel) [11:27] nobody I guess [11:27] hehe, so who makes the decision? [11:28] if it gets to the point where it has enough feature to replace Konversation and is usable enough, there's no reason for not dropping konv' [11:28] smarter: but what I mean is who decides that it has enough features and is usable enough? [11:30] jussi01: I guess that seele will see if it's usable enough ;) [11:30] does one of you know how i can make dolphin and others not start with the documents folder as default? [11:31] it is annoying me big time [11:31] happens since i first tried 4.2 [11:31] It's a setting "About me" [11:31] but it's not stored over sessions (bug) [11:31] argh [11:32] thx mrvanes [11:32] yw, have been hitting my head against the keyboard over it for long time [11:32] :/ yea === quassel231 is now known as mrvanes [11:40] ok i was told this might be a kubuntu patch [11:40] JontheEchidna: apachelogger: *poke* [11:52] The patch did make it into 4.1.96, it was just wrongly explained in the solution, [11:53] Nightrose: I don't see any of your patch that could do that [11:53] I was referring to an old question I had myself (kio_audiocd ripping noise instead of mp3) [11:55] smarter: meh - ok - afair the neon packages don't have this problem [11:55] so it is not unlikely to be a patch [11:55] i am on intrepid btw [11:55] same, and I see that "bug" [11:56] hmmm alright [11:56] someone said he is also seing it on suse [11:56] very wierd [11:59] [12:58:05] ah, I remember now why dolphin ignores its settings [11:59] [12:58:22] the starting directory is specified in the .desktop file... [11:59] [12:58:42] that is a dolphin bug [11:59] :] [12:00] [12:59:29] now for other apps/dialogs, they seem to use KGlobalSettings::documentPath() to get the starting directory [12:00] [13:00:00] which is patched by kubuntu to return QDesktopServices::storageLocation( QDesktopServices::DocumentsLocation ); [12:01] if anyone can make sense of all this please have a look ;-) [12:02] instead of hardcoding the Desktop to $HOME/Desktop and the Documents dir to $HOME/Documents, we use a class provided by Qt to get the standard xdg location (locale friendly) [12:03] (and configurable) [12:04] Riddell: currently one obstacle in kbluetooth4, doesn't do cmake install dirs properly yet [12:05] Nightrose: so that shouldn't cause any problem :) [12:05] since KDE by default would use ~/Documents too [12:05] alright [12:05] hardcoding is bad [12:05] really bad [12:06] before I did some complaints, Plasma had Dolphin hardcoded as filemanager in many places [12:06] hehe [13:09] smarter: yeah, I mashed together the backport and the ubuntu3 changes into one changelog [13:09] kay [13:10] If nobody complains after that I'll ask apachelogger or somebody to upload ubuntu3 to jaunty [13:10] I probably should ping the bug to retest [13:51] * apachelogger needs to establish some policy about staying up all night -.- [13:51] ~order coffee [13:51] * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger. [13:51] JontheEchidna: huh? Nightrose: huh? [13:52] apachelogger: dolphin always opens with the documents folder here even though my home folder is set in the dolphin preferences - i changed it now in systemsettings -> about me and it works ok [13:53] but i was told it doesn't save this [13:53] so next reboot it will be b0rked again [13:53] same for file save and open dialogs [13:54] all that fuzz about that? Oo [13:54] very annoying as i have only a few things in documents [13:54] * apachelogger sips his coffee [13:54] and it is _never_ the folder i need [13:54] i always have to go up one level and then navigate to the folder i actually need [13:55] well, I am pretty sure we don't patch dolphin that way, so the assumption is that dolphin's setting is broken anyway [13:55] morning [13:56] well yea that too but defaulting to documents is narf [13:56] morning vorian [13:56] Nightrose: just because it is for you, doesn't mean it is narf in general [13:56] anyway [13:57] how do I trigger that? [13:57] open dolphin in 4.2 [13:57] home [13:57] hmmmmmm ok then please check in systemsettings ->about me -> paths [13:57] what is your documents path set to? [13:58] are you talking about dolphin always opening in ~/Documents? [13:58] me [13:58] vorian: jep [13:58] apachelogger: that was set to documents for me [13:58] hmm, that is quite annoying [13:59] vorian: it is super annoying [13:59] Nightrose: well, either KDE does this by default, which I find unlikely, or something changed that setting [13:59] i can confirm that bug [13:59] Kubuntu certainly uses $HOME by default [13:59] i think it is a bug, suryly it's no default [13:59] so whatever caused the problem, it's not us [14:00] surely* [14:00] The document path is reset to $HOME/Documents after login [14:00] ok let me log out and in again and see if the setting stays here [14:00] back in a few [14:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/105900/ [14:01] this is our XDG patch [14:02] line 110 might be what is causing the setting to be unchangeable [14:02] nod [14:03] ++ on define KDE_DEFAULT_SMOOTHSCROLL true [14:03] :) [14:04] what does the smoothscroll stuff in there anyway [14:07] Tonio_: ping [14:09] apachelogger: yup ? [14:09] I'm half away, but still listening a bit :) [14:10] Tonio_: you made the xdg_use_dirs patch for kdelibs? [14:10] for kde3 ? yes, I got it from svn [14:10] so there's a new libmsn now.. does kopete need to be rebuilt or smth? [14:10] Tonio_: for KDE 4 [14:11] apachelogger: ah... no then it's not me I think... [14:11] or maybe.... [14:11] hm [14:11] * apachelogger checks changelog [14:11] apachelogger: it can be me, but that patch was from svn anyway, so shouldn't be there for 4.2 [14:11] was you alright [14:11] but the patch does not seem to be in 4.2 [14:12] or maybe it changed from the revision you based it on, to current 4.2 so much that the patch doesn't conflict [14:12] * apachelogger greps [14:12] apachelogger: that's possible indeed [14:13] apachelogger: I have to go, sorry [14:13] apachelogger: is the patch causing issues ? [14:13] don't know yet [14:13] I'll look into it :) [14:13] apachelogger: oki ;) [14:14] I hope to have policykit, kpackagekit, k3b and networkmanager-kde ready for monday on my side [14:14] Tonio_: networkmanager? [14:14] suse's KDE 4 port? [14:15] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [14:15] Nightrose, vorian: we don't even apply that patch anymore [14:15] * apachelogger wonders whom to blame for bad patch house keeping [14:15] apachelogger: the plasma applet [14:15] Tonio_: well, it's of no use anyway, is it? ;-) [14:16] apachelogger: it works like a charm since major update 2 days ago !! [14:16] ohhhh [14:16] apachelogger: you can test from http://planetemu.nt/temp/nm [14:16] *svn up* :) [14:16] even better [14:16] that address doesnt work [14:16] quick and dirty package btw, but working :) [14:17] apachelogger: http://planetemu.nt/temp/nm [14:17] e [14:17] net [14:17] sorry [14:17] apachelogger: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm [14:17] yeah, I figured, thanks :) [14:17] it's the plasma applet? [14:17] cbr yes [14:18] apachelogger: you'll miss the vpn plugins with that one, but they'll be back with the next packages [14:18] apachelogger: I have to test the vpn part tomorrow [14:19] today I'm away, btw.... [14:19] new appartment, lot of work in there.... [14:20] :) [14:20] that looks pretty nice [14:20] I'm surprised k3b works decently here... [14:20] it's not annouced, even in beta.. [14:20] Nightrose: whatever it is, it is not even partially caused by us because that patch came from upstream and now is in upstream (4.2) [14:21] Nightrose: it appears to me that they didn't rewrite that directory kcm for XDG paths, so that could be the cause it doesn't remember the settings between reboots [14:21] while /Documents ended up there in the first place is unclear though [14:21] * apachelogger uses the force to find out [14:23] Nightrose: I recommend you talk to peter and dfaure [14:24] * apachelogger notes that jr is to blame for not removing the xdg patch completely, because he and NCommander were the only ones to touch kdelibs before it was imported into bzr :P [14:25] argh!!!! quassel didn't let me log in again for the last 15 mins [14:25] apachelogger: ok will do [14:26] Nightrose: reported the bug some time ago here http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177474 [14:26] KDE bug 177474 in kcm_useraccount "Documents path in About me panel is not stored" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [14:26] hehe... [14:26] mrvanes: thx [14:27] Nightrose: Can you reproduce it? [14:27] yes - i'll leave a comment [14:27] after logging in again it is back [14:27] Good to know I'm not mad ;) [14:27] hehe [14:31] mrvanes: please change the bug report to reflect the actual problem ... KDE 4.2 doesn't use the kind of hardcoding approach but queries Qt for the appropriate XDG paths, also it now exposes all XDG user dirs (which are clearily more than the 3 currently supported by the kcm) ;-) [14:31] ultimately the KCM would be rewritten to fit the new surrounding [14:32] i.e. it would have to edit the XDG config and not it's internal one and it woudl have to list all XDG user dirs with appropriate value [14:32] Ouch... that a bit above my head, but I'll copy your remark. Wouldn't it be better if you commented that? [14:32] meh [14:32] *searching password* [14:32] Hehe... [14:33] keepasx... [14:33] ;) [14:34] obtw [14:34] that networkmanager plasmoid [14:34] fails for wifi [14:34] works for wired [14:34] with wifi it just claims that "it's connecting" but nothing happens [14:37] maybe because it's wpa2? [14:37] worked with nm-applet though [14:46] yeah, dont use it when you need wireless connections [14:48] cbr works for me on wifi [14:48] I'm doing wpa-psk [14:48] cbr: did you kill the old network-manager-kde ? [14:48] i have wpa-psk too [14:48] i didnt have a old one [14:49] hum....... [14:49] i removed nm-applet and rebooted [14:49] did you kill the nm-applet ? [14:49] ah..... [14:49] well then I must say I don't know what happens.... I don't know the app well enough right now to help you [14:49] cbr : go in konsole and kill plasma [14:49] then restart it from the console [14:49] you'll see the debug messages from the applet [14:50] hrrr [14:50] hey Tm_T [14:50] hi [14:50] I hate this [14:50] so much to do, so little time [14:51] cbr: just tested again to be sure, disconnected and reconnected, no pb on my side [14:51] plasma(4342) InterfaceGroup::updateNetworks: [14:51] plasma(4342) InterfaceGroup::networksToShow: m_conn empty? false m_userSettings true [14:51] QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver [14:51] cbr: using jaunty or intrepid ? [14:51] jaunty [14:51] hum... [14:51] cbr: go in your connection list and drop them all, then retry [14:51] could be a cache issue, somehow... [14:52] I really have to go.... I may not help a lot this time, sorry [14:52] i did drop them [14:52] cbr: anyway, that's svn software.... not bugless :) [14:52] Riddell: I'll spend today with bluetooth and look qt 4.5 packaging tomorrow if I have time [14:52] but there is two of them in the list that the applet shows [14:52] the ones i'm trying to connect to [14:59] yeah, wireless doesnt work [15:38] Lure: i couldnt find the new digikam intrepid build from your ppa [15:42] samppa: its in the digikam ppa [15:42] hi samppa [15:42] hi [15:43] jussi01: ah, ok [15:43] samppa: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main [15:43] samppa: you're our new packager ninja? [15:43] Tm_T: no, i am not [15:44] samppa: that should be fixed then [15:44] samppa: but you could be (;) [15:45] heh, right [15:45] smarter: btw, suggestions for the launchpad data theft? [15:45] jussi01: actually that's the ppa what i was referring to [15:45] data theft? [15:45] smarter: well, the data raping we are planing to do :P [15:46] haha [15:46] oh dear .. someone please shoot the autotools devs [15:46] apachelogger: go on, son [15:46] I can't even manipulate the dir mysql installs it's data to [15:47] can only change $main data path [15:47] apachelogger: err, nice [15:47] and then aclocal ends up in a different path as well [15:52] Guillaume Martres (gmartres) is now following your updates on Twitter. [15:52] who is that? [15:53] no idea [15:53] that's me :] [15:53] smarter: no you're not, you're smarter [15:54] ohhhhh [15:54] smarter: I must agree with Tm_T [15:54] some dude tried to start a thread on the chormium linux dev list about Qt 4.5 being LGPL and thus the better choice :D [15:55] apachelogger: and? [15:55] nothing [15:55] though [15:55] it is likely that I filter the mails form that list [15:55] so I wonder how that got even through [15:55] heh [15:55] * apachelogger didn't see a mail form that list in his inbox for months [15:55] might also be a dead list [16:06] Oo [16:07] why does flashplugin-nonfree suggest firefox* if I already have konqueror installed [16:07] -.- [16:07] apachelogger: because, err, Ubuntu developers are so fond to Firefox? [16:09] apachelogger: do you listen to much ska? i some times do just wondering if you had found any decent ska streams (assuming you do) [16:10] seaLne: no good streams out there, but I am also not listening to a whole lot of streams in general [16:10] + ska is best live anyway ;-) [16:11] only been to see a ska band once, ex bf's sister was in a band [16:13] what the heck is ska? [16:14] ~wp ska music [16:14] no results found for music [16:14] ~wp ska [16:14] Results for ska: 1. Ska: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska | 2. Ska punk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska_punk | 3. Ska - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska [16:14]