[00:02] <charlie-tca> yay! alpha3 is out...
[00:04] <Hagg1> charlie-tca: that's good :)
[00:06] <Hagg1> milos_: I've tried them on my GF6800GT, they worked but was buggy (lots of artifacts on te screen)
[00:06] <Hagg1> *the
[00:08] <Hagg1> I didn't filed a bug or investigated it, because I'm gonna switch to ATi any time soon anyway, thier OSS-drivers are almost stable now, I've heard .)
[00:09] <Hagg1> :)
[00:12] <milos_> Hagg1: I can't do almost anything
[00:12] <milos_> Hagg1: and I have a laptop
[00:13] <milos_> Hagg1: http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snimak1uw8.png
[00:14] <Hagg1> milos_: what happens if you try to refresh the window, or minimize and restore it?
[00:16] <Hagg1> milos_: my artifacts dissapeard by doing so, but the came back after a fiew seconds again
[00:16] <milos_> Hagg1: I can't start any application, because K menu is empty and refresh isn't helping
[00:17] <milos_> Hagg1: I start konsole with ALT+F2 and then launch every app from there
[00:19] <Hagg1> milos_: a good start might be the nvidia-linux-forum: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s&forumid=14
[00:19] <milos_> Hagg1: thnx
[00:19] <Melik> hey hggdh, what did you mean by
 Melik, pktcdvd seems to be a kernel module
 hum. the module is not present anymore on 2.6.28-4
[00:28] <shadowhywind> hay all, i was wondering if anyone else got the Incomplete language support after installing jaunty?
[00:42] <Hagg1> Alpa3 (LiveCD, amd64) hangs during boot for me :(
[00:42] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: right after you select an option?
[00:43] <milos_> Hagg1: this fixed the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/308410/comments/8
[00:44] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: no, I get the boot-menu (select english) and hit enter, then the progressbar goes for and back for some seconds and therefter it freeze
[00:44] <Hagg1> milos_: ok, that's good :)
[00:45] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: i had a simmiler problem, i would get the select english, and then when i hit enter on the menu to either test/install/test for defects it would freeze,
[00:45] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: it freeze before the progressbar show a normal loading (increasing value)
[00:45] <shadowhywind> by anychance are you using a cd-rw?
[00:46] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: yes, I am
[00:47] <shadowhywind> just for curoisty, is it a sony? also do you have a normal cd you could write to?
[00:47] <Hagg1> ﻿shadowhywind: I can run the "Check CD for defects" and it is working until it is finished  and does not find any errors either
[00:47] <shadowhywind> because i used a sony cd-rw with my issue, when i burned it to a regular cd i had no issues
[00:48] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: oh
[00:49] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: no, I boycott sony :) My CD-rw is a "Octron 700MB"
[00:50] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: have you tried a acpi=off command ?
[00:51] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: no, I'm trying that now
[00:52] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: there are times where that sometimes works on my laptop amd64 as well
[00:53] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: Ubuntu 8.10 is working just fine with acpi enabled on this hardware
[00:54] <Hagg1> so 9.04 should work with acpi enabled as well, if there isn't any new bugs
[00:54] <shadowhywind> ah, well if that doesn't work I would say try reburning onto a regular cd and see if that works. Maybe the iso doesn't like cd-rw (which would be really werid and odd)
[00:54] <Hagg1> acpi=off didn't work.. Alfa3 still hangs (and my keyboard-leds starts flashing)
[00:56] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: yes, that would be really odd, 8.10 is installed on the failing hardware with the exact same cd-rw disc
[00:59] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: hehe same here, after like the 10th install cd, i finally switched to cd-rw's and it worked for intrepid but not for jaunty
[01:02] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: hehe, yes, installing OSes is the only thig I use cd's for :) And it's muchh cheaper to use cd-rw for that purpouse
[01:03] <Hagg1> I will try Alpa3 in a VM now, to see if it works better
[01:03] <shadowhywind> hehe nice
[01:13] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: no luch there either :(  Alpa3 hangs in KVM-62
[01:18] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: here is a screendump: http://hagge.intercorner.net/dump/ubuntu-9.04-alpa3_in_kvm-62.png
[01:19] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: so it actraully looks like it loads
[01:21] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: I don't really know... It shouldn't be a prompt like that during boot, not what I can remember at least
[01:22] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: the onlything that i can think/say would be if you have an extra cd-r give that a try and see whats happen, worst case one less cd-r on the spindle
[01:24] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: I have no cd-r, only cd-rw (2 pcs)
[01:25] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: oh...
[01:49] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: on my other KVM-host I got jaunty to boot :D  (KVM-72)
[01:49] <Hagg1> and it goes damn fast on a RAM-drive :P
[01:49] <shadowhywind> Hagg1: nice!
[01:50] <shadowhywind> jaunty is very nice, and quick. my boot time has been cut in half
[01:52] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: I have nothing to compare to, because I only run the LiveCD in a VM, where the ISO is located on a tmpfs-partition
[01:53] <Hagg1> and there is not much hardware that can compare to ttmpfs
[01:53] <Hagg1> *tmpfs
[01:53] <shadowhywind> true
[01:57] <Hagg1> shadowhywind: it is very handy to have a virtualmachine when testing livecds :)
[01:59] <shadowhywind> after my first install attempt i wish i did (just glad i made backups of my partitions first)
[02:00] <Hagg1> hehe, ok
[02:01] <Hagg1> backups are good
[02:44] <Andre_Gondim> my pidgin in jaunty just close when I am using
[02:48] <johnjohn101> what kernel will ubuntu 9.04 be on when it's released?
[02:48] <JediMaster> Hey guys, as expected, after a fairly painless upgrade to jaunty, the binary nvidia drivers aren't installed. The instructions said to use the nv drivers for now. Stupid question... how do I actually install them now, it's been so long since I've had to change it lol
[02:49] <JediMaster> johnjohn101: at least 2.6.28
[02:49]  * JediMaster seriously considers converting all his ext3 partitions over to ext4 now..
[02:49] <toresbe> JediMaster: It *is* possible, albeit painful, to continue using the nVidia drivers
[02:50] <JediMaster> I was considering installing 60GB of X-plane to play on my media center machine with it's 37" screen =) so nvidia binaries would work better
[02:51] <JediMaster> toresbe: for now, how do I go about changing it from the generic setup to nv drivers?
[02:51] <JediMaster> I don't think I can look at 800x600 on a widescreen 37" screen for much longer ;-)
[02:51] <toresbe> JediMaster: Just change the "Driver" entry from "nvidia" to "nv" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:52] <toresbe> (do you know how to do that?)
[02:52] <JediMaster> well that's what I thought first of all, but it's overwritten the xorg.conf with generic config
[02:52] <x1250> "nv" is not the default driver for nvidia guys?
[02:53] <JediMaster> toresbe: you'd never guess but I used to configure and compile my own kernels years ago, ubuntu just made my lazy with it's uberness
[02:53] <JediMaster> x1250: would it automatically detect it?
[02:54] <x1250> JediMaster, it should. At least it works automagically with ati, so I guess it should too with nvidia.
[02:54] <JediMaster> it won't let me change the screen above 800x600 on a 37" widescreen
[02:55] <JediMaster> I actually can't remember what it should be lol, but it's a lot more than that
[02:55] <JediMaster> 1280x768 maybe?
[02:56] <JediMaster> there's no driver section at all in xorg.conf now
[02:56] <x1250> JediMaster, try checking out /var/log/Xorg.0.log for problems. It should be obvious in there what driver is using Xorg, also.
[02:57] <JediMaster> ta
[02:58] <JediMaster> vesa I believe
[02:59] <JediMaster> (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[03:00] <JediMaster> shall I just try the nvidia-glx-180 package?
[03:00] <x1250> JediMaster, add a line that reads: Driver "nv", in section Device (Device, not Screen), just under "Configured Video Device"
[03:01] <JediMaster> oh yeah, what's the xorg.conf line to re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace?>
[03:01] <JediMaster> got it, dontzap
[03:01] <x1250> JediMaster, yep, in Section "ServerFlags"
[03:02] <JediMaster> yeah, no serverflags section lol
[03:03] <x1250> JediMaster, if driver "nv" does not work, I would guess Xorg has problems detecting your monitor Horizsync and VertRefresh values. Try googling that if you continue to have problems.
[03:03] <JediMaster> didn't work with the nv driver
[03:04] <x1250> does not work, means?
[03:04] <JediMaster> sorry, sec
[03:04] <JediMaster> "No devices detected"
[03:05] <JediMaster> I'm not in a very good error reporting mood - that's my day job and it's 3am lol
[03:05] <x1250> JediMaster, http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#head-93b1e0b56f76546d61364f789045e9c745b6cfd4
[03:05] <JediMaster> going to try the nvidia binary package quickly
[03:07] <x1250> JediMaster, I recall reading that it won't work unless you use IgnoreABI option, or something like that.
[03:07] <x1250> I could be wrong though, ati guy here :P
[03:09] <JediMaster> ta, will look it up
[03:09] <JediMaster> yes, it just popped up with that solution =)
[03:09] <JediMaster> use the -ignoreABI option to ignore this check
[03:11] <JediMaster> sweet, that's it, and it's the correct resolution too =)
[03:11] <JediMaster> with the nvidia-glx-180 driver
[03:11] <x1250> ok, great to know.
[03:12] <JediMaster> thanks for the help
[03:13] <x1250> np
[03:14] <JediMaster> hmmf, no /dev/dsp device now
[03:14] <JediMaster> audio definately works though, just jumped out of my skin as the speakers were on full when I logged in lol
[03:15] <x1250> lol
[03:15] <JediMaster> any idea why /dev/dsp doesn't exist?
[03:18] <ethana2> mp3 playback Just Works in Jaunty alpha 3
[03:18] <ethana2> is that legal?
[03:19] <ethana2> have the patents expired?
[03:19] <ethana2> ..or is it just for the alpha builds, 'cause no one will sue over an alpha?
[03:19] <ethana2> aac playback doesn't work though, and it doesn't let me install support
[03:19] <ethana2> just said 'internal data flow error'
[03:21]  * JediMaster prefers to use vlc or mplayer which generally Just Works
[03:22] <x1250> JediMaster, no idea, I upgraded from intrepid, and I did install the codecs while in intrepid.
[03:22] <JediMaster> x1250: wrong person?
[03:22] <ethana2> I'm on the alpha 3 LiveCD
[03:22] <x1250> JediMaster, yes! sorry
[03:23] <JediMaster> =) np
[03:23] <JediMaster> anyone tried to upgrade from ext3 to ext4 yet?
[03:23] <ethana2> ..and that video file I have just segfaults it
[03:23] <JediMaster> with all the features like extends etc
[03:24] <x1250> JediMaster, hehe, there are some (un)lucky guys on ubuntuforums.org with data loss
[03:24] <ethana2> I've got my hands full just confirming on jaunty all the bugs still in LTS and 8.10..
[03:24] <x1250> JediMaster, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1040199
[03:25] <JediMaster> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oss-compat/+bug/302202
[03:25] <JediMaster> yup, that's the one ubottu ;-)
[03:27] <JediMaster> x1250: ta, I guess it's not time yet to entrust my 1TB of data to ext4
[03:32] <CarlFK1> I have GeForce 7150M - but jaunty hardware gizmo isn't giving me a nvida choice
[03:32] <CarlFK1> and nv dosn't work with my card either
[03:33] <DBO> where is the best place to get the latest iso?  I just need to test software I am developing
[03:33] <CarlFK1> is there any hope of getting and nvidia to work?
[03:34] <Killeroid> DBO: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[03:34] <CarlFK1> DBO:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-i386.iso
[03:35] <DBO> thank you guys =)
[03:35] <CarlFK1> i wonder what the diff is
[03:35] <JediMaster> CarlFK1: I just installed nvidia-glx-180 and added: 'Option "ignoreABI" "True"' to the serverflags section of xorg.conf and all works fine now
[03:35] <DBO> thats a great help
[03:36] <CarlFK1> JediMaster: thanks.  was hoping there was something like that
[03:36] <JediMaster> all appears to be working fine, the generic xorg config loads vesa *shudder*
[03:37] <CarlFK1> when I try to use nv I get EE card not supported
[03:37] <JediMaster> the nvidia-glx-180 driver correctly found the 37" tv's res at 1360x768
[03:37] <JediMaster> yeah, I got that too
[03:38] <JediMaster> I think I have the same graphics chipset
[03:38] <JediMaster> onboard card on the motherboard?
[03:38] <CarlFK1> hp 6700 laptop
[03:38] <JediMaster> similar then
[03:38] <JediMaster> yeah, 7100 here
[03:38] <JediMaster> and the nv driver didn't find it either
[03:41] <JediMaster> lmao, only upgraded about 2 hours ago and there's already 37MB of updates, including a new kernel
[03:42] <JediMaster> argh, and just noticed more issues with static network interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:42] <JediMaster> it hasn't started up with eth0 up
[03:43] <JediMaster> yet I can ifup eth0 and it works
[03:55] <temppy> !schedule
[04:02] <Melik> JediMaster,
[04:05] <CarlFK1> JediMaster: thanks - i got nvid again.
[04:05] <JediMaster> np, thank x1250 too, he helped
[04:05] <JediMaster> =)
[04:06] <Melik> JediMaster, how do i add the ignore ABI thing to my xorg
[04:07] <JediMaster> Melik: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/308410 it's about 1/3 of the way down the page
[04:07] <Melik> thanks =)
[04:07] <JediMaster> np
[04:08] <JediMaster> hmm, why is eth0 in networkmanager read only?
[04:08] <JediMaster> I can't change it at all, and I've wiped /etc/network/interfaces now so networkmanager can take over
[04:09] <Melik> Section "ServerFlags"
[04:09] <Melik>     Option "ignoreABI" "True"
[04:09] <Melik> EndSection
[04:09] <Melik> thats what i copy paste in
[04:09] <Melik> ./etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:09] <Melik> ?
[04:09] <JediMaster> yup, or just add the Option line if you already have the ServerFlags section
[04:09] <Melik> then what do i do after
[04:10] <JediMaster> that should be it if you've installed the nvidia binary driver already
[04:10] <Melik> the thing is
[04:10] <Melik> i have this really weird situation
[04:11] <Melik> erm.. i have nvidia 180.22 drivers
[04:11] <Melik> but when i go to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[04:11] <Melik> it only shows the Nvidia 96 drivers
[04:11] <Melik> and the thing is i dont even have nvidia-glx-96
[04:12] <Melik> i have a GeForce 6100 nForce 405, and its supported by the 180.22 :/
[04:13] <JediMaster> heh, the hardware drivers doesn't even bring up the nvidia-glx-180 for me, says there's no proprietary drivers in use lol
[04:13] <JediMaster> check the xorg log file to see what's running
[04:13] <JediMaster> ok must run, it's 4am
[04:21] <CarlFK> raw1394 used to be in the 'disk' group.  now it is in the root group?  crw-rw---- 1 root root 171, 0 2009-01-16 20:09 /dev/raw1394
[04:29] <Melik> yayyyyyyyy FINALLY, my nvidia drivers work :D
[04:30] <CarlFK> nvida for all!
[04:31] <fnf1> Is there a way to install Amarok 1.4 on Jaunty?. I haven't seen it in the repo.
[04:32] <fnf1> They shouldn't have dropped it as Amarok 2 in its current state is way worse than 1.4
[04:33] <x1250> fnf1, take it from an old distro repo, it should work
[04:34] <fnf1> x1250: I'll give it a shot, hope it doesn't have a bunch of older dependencies
[04:36] <x1250> fnf1, aah, yes, it probably has. I don't know if it will work, but try.
[04:37] <x1250> if dependencies names haven't changed their names, it should probably work. I guess :)
[04:37] <fnf1> x1250: I'm not sure if this is the right place to look for, but I couldn't find amarok any where here http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/amarok/
[04:38] <fnf1> the 1.4 version I mean
[04:39] <fnf1> it might be in one of the kde* meta packages
[04:40] <mikhmv> hggdh: I have installed ubuntu 64 Alternative without any problem. Should I fill anything?
[04:41] <hggdh> mikhmv, just look at the QA site, and add in anything you may have found
[04:41] <hggdh> otherwise, thank you very much
[04:41] <hggdh> this is a help we need every time we go for a release point
[04:41] <hggdh> (alpha, beta, and final)
[04:42] <mikhmv> hggdh: thanks
[04:42] <hggdh> mikhmv, thank YOU. We really appreciate the help
[04:43] <x1250> fnf1, its kind of tricky to get to the binary (deb) packages, but they are there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok. Navigating is kind of confusing.
[04:46] <x1250> fnf1, better follow this link: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/amarok
[04:47] <x1250> then click on "i386" for the binary package, and in the next page, click on the "version" link, you'll find the deb package after the last click
[04:49] <fnf1> thanks, I'm downloading all packages
[04:54] <fnf1> x1250: it's working, thanks a lot :-)
[04:54] <x1250> really? great! :D
[04:57] <fnf1> x1250: I needed to install amarok, amarok-common and amarok-engines at the least to get it working.
[04:58] <fnf1> but what remains is how to specify apt not to upgrade amarok, I haven't figured out how to do it with apt though, although aptitude can sustain a package from upgrading easily
[04:58] <fnf1> hope Amarok 1.4 it will be added sooner rather than later :)
[04:59] <x1250> fnf1, take a look at section 3.10: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[05:05] <Volkodav> how do I format a partition in ext4 for a fresh install ?
[05:05] <ari_stress> hi
[05:06] <ari_stress> is true jj will use ext4?
[05:06] <ari_stress> how is it?
[05:06] <x1250> Volkodav, don't: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1040199
[05:08] <Volkodav> hmm
[05:08] <Volkodav> ext4 is really ext3
[05:08] <fnf1> x1250: the manual doesn't really help, I tried dselect but it doesn't provide a way to change a package's state (such as not to upgrade). That's not very important though, I'll wait till amarok 1.4 comes along.
[05:08] <Volkodav> ext3 is really just journalised ext2
[05:09] <fnf1> Volkodav: odd, ext4's been declared stable for a while. I have no problem using it.
[05:09] <Volkodav> I'll give it a shot though - I heard good things about performance
[05:09] <Volkodav> I will give it a shot too
[05:09] <fnf1> I've been using ext4 since Intrepid, just upgraded to Jaunty this morning and I used ext4 for / as well
[05:09] <Volkodav> how did you format it ?
[05:10] <ari_stress> fnf1: what is good about ext4?
[05:10] <Volkodav> ari_stress nothing bad I assume neither
[05:10] <fnf> Volkodav: mkfs.ext4
[05:10] <ari_stress> does it have any defragmenter tool?
[05:11] <fnf> usual parameters apply of course
[05:11] <Volkodav> ok
[05:11] <fnf> ari_stress: it was designed to be online-degramentable, but I haven't seen a tool to do it.
[05:12] <fnf> ari_stress: although you wouldn't have to concern about it unless the device has less than 5% free space
[05:12] <ari_stress> fnf: i know ext3 claims that it's fragmented proof, but i run torrent a lot, so it must be fragmented somehow, right?
[05:13] <fnf> ari_stress: no, if you tell the torrent client to allocate whole block since since the first packets, not a lot of them do it though
[05:13] <ari_stress> yeah
[05:13] <ari_stress> hmm
[05:13] <fnf> ari_stress: ext4 has some feature named lazy allocation that can help with fragmentation
[05:14] <ari_stress> can i do online upgrade from ext3 to ext4?
[05:14] <fnf> ari_stress: you can
[05:14] <fnf> wait a sec, I'll get the link for you
[05:14] <ari_stress> thanks fnf
[05:15] <ari_stress> i'll backup my /home first tonite and do the upgrade
[05:15] <fnf> ari_stress: http://buranen.info/?p=345&cpage=1
[05:15] <fnf> ari_stress: having done the steps in that blog, you won't be able to read the new data using the ext3 driver
[05:15] <ari_stress> hmm seems like i need kernel 2.6.28
[05:16] <ari_stress> really?
[05:16] <fnf> ari_stress: I don't remember exactly, but ext4 was declared stable in 2.6.27.8 or something
[05:16] <fnf> ari_stress: prior to that version, it was named ext4dev
[05:17] <fnf> you wouldn't want to upgrade to ext4 with kernels earlier than 2.6.28 though, the driver might not be very stable
[05:18] <ari_stress> rite. i guess i should wait a little longer, just to be safe
[05:19] <fnf> ext4 is compatible with ext3, but if one uses the new features of ext4, the files created using these features won't be readable using the ext3 driver, that's why it's not recommended to mount an ext4 partition using ext3
[05:22] <fnf> ari_stress: don't worry about upgrading to ext4 though, there weren't any change in the driver for a long while, so it's quite safe to use ext4 in Intrepid's default kernel
[05:22] <fnf> make your choice ;^)
[05:23] <ari_stress> i'll do the upgrade tonite, better yet, i'll reformat /home with ext4 :)
[05:23] <ari_stress> thanks fnf
[05:23] <ari_stress> i'll run bonnie++ first for performance comparison
[05:24] <x1250> well, there are cases of some people getting 0 bytes files after crashes in EXT4. There is a bug report about that in here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781
[05:24] <ari_stress> ups
[05:27] <ari_stress> not tonite then :)
[05:27] <ari_stress> many thanks x12
[05:27] <ari_stress> many thanks x1250
[05:27] <fnf> ;) guess I was just having dumb luck
[05:28] <x1250> ari_stress, np, I saved your music collection :)
[05:28] <CarlFK> i wanted to try nouveau, but get "Package linux-nouveau-modules is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[05:29] <CarlFK> that anything easy to work around?
[05:29] <x1250> CarlFK, maybe the "another package" ?
[05:29] <Volkodav> will my existing grub boot new ext4 or I will need the newer grub that comes with jaunty ?
[05:30] <CarlFK> x1250: its a dep of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -
[05:30] <x1250> oh
[05:31] <fnf> CarlFK: please report back if you're to try it, the package says I need to install some DRM kernel modules, but I'm not sure if it works with custom kernels.
[05:32] <fnf> Volkodav: Jaunty's GRUB was patched with the new ext4 patches, it wouldn't work with older GRUBs
[05:33] <Volkodav> that's fine - I will override the existing then - it will boot my other stuff too
[05:33] <CarlFK> fnf: report what where? (currently figured I would wait for it to appear in the repo)
[05:33] <x1250> maybe this is why alpha3 is delayed? :O Speculation time!
[05:35] <fnf> CarlFK: as yes, it is not installable, sorry
[05:36] <fnf> CarlFK: module-assistant auto-install drm failed with my custom kernel
[05:36] <fnf> drm, what is drm? :^)
[05:42] <Volkodav> anybody tried to use 2 grubs in MBRs on sda and sdb ?
[05:42] <fnf> Volkodav: yep
[05:43] <CarlFK> fnf: thanks - I won't dig into this for a few days
[05:43] <Volkodav> how do you toggle between the 2 ?
[05:43] <Volkodav> chainload ?
[05:43] <fnf> CarlFK: I'm going to test nouveau for myself
[05:44] <fnf> Volkodav: why do you need one? are you trying to boot Windows?
[05:44] <Volkodav> no
[05:44] <fnf> so what's the situation?
[05:45] <Volkodav> I have my existing grub on sda booting 5 OS's and I am about to install jaunty on sdb so I figured I may as well install it to sdb's MBR
[05:46] <Volkodav> just to play safe - and then I can either use both or get rid of the one I do not need and have all in ome
[05:46] <Volkodav> makes sense ?
[05:46] <fnf> Volkodav: it may be better to copy the entries in older GRUB then make your computer boot to /dev/sdb directly
[05:47] <Volkodav> yeah but I intend to use ext4 and it will need the jaunty's patched grub
[05:47] <Volkodav> you mean "from old grub"
[05:48] <Volkodav> I was thinking of just overwriting with the new and then copy all from old
[05:49] <Volkodav> and then though what if I install another one instead ?
[05:49] <fnf> that'll work, the GRUB used by Jaunty isn't much different except the ext4 patches
[05:49] <Volkodav> is it still ugly plain console ?
[05:50] <fnf> Volkodav: yeah, it's GRUB 1
[05:51] <Volkodav> so if I choose to install it to MBR on sdb I will need to change the sequence in BIOS ?
[05:51] <Volkodav> is't it about time to do some splash screen for it ?
[05:54] <fnf> Volkodav: no idea, you may experiment with grub2 in the repo, but I wasn't able to make a config file that runs
[05:54] <Volkodav> what failed ?
[05:54] <fnf> Volkodav: yeah, it should boot from the 2nd HDD instead
[05:54] <Volkodav> well - I'd rather have 2 grubs then
[05:55] <Volkodav> for the heck of it
[05:55] <fnf> Volkodav: try the Windows chainloader if you want
[05:55] <fnf> title           Windbloze X-P
[05:55] <fnf> rootnoverify    (hd0,0)
[05:55] <fnf> makeactive
[05:55] <fnf> chainloader     +1
[05:56] <Volkodav> I may as well get into bios at boot and get a choice what to boot
[05:56] <Volkodav> chainloader will work too
[05:57] <Volkodav> well - I am about to hit the sack - will do install and all tomorrow - see ya all guys laterrz
[05:57] <fnf> Volkodav: see ya
[07:00] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716
[07:00] <DanaG> hmm, the "fix" for that... entirely REMOVED my ability to change brightness.
[07:00] <DanaG> Lovely.
[07:00] <DanaG> Should I file a separate bug on that?
[07:01] <lucent> this, again?
[07:01] <DanaG> It's the same issue I've mentioned before, yes.
[07:02] <lucent> bug in your hardware potentially
[07:02] <lucent> I suggest filing a bug but not insisting it's the  userspace
[07:03] <lucent> might be hardware issue that needs a kernel space quirk
[07:04] <DanaG> Was fine before the fix for that bug.
[07:04] <DanaG> Now there's nothing at all in  /sys/class/backlight.
[07:04] <DanaG> Before, there was an acpi_video0 that worked just fine.
[07:05] <DanaG> Here's how I interpret the changelog: "this method is buggy on some systems... so don't use it."
[07:05] <DanaG> Okay... then what about the systems where it's NOT buggy?
[07:05] <DanaG> =P
[07:06] <DanaG> And now /proc/acpi/video/DGFX/LCD/brightness returns <not supported>
[07:07] <DanaG> Hold on while I boot to Ubuntu, so I can see what it was in the older kernel, which I rolled back to.
[07:13] <DanaG> Old kernel gives
[07:14] <DanaG> levels:  100 51 30 37 44 51 58 65 72 79 86 93 100
[07:14] <DanaG> current: 100
[07:14] <DanaG> Sure beats <not supported>!
[07:21] <lucent> DanaG: anyways, it's not an Ubuntu bug
[07:21] <lucent> it's a kernel thing
[07:29] <DanaG> hmm.
[07:30] <DanaG> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-January/004033.html
[07:30] <DanaG> Looks like it IS an ubuntu thing.
[07:31] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps I really should file a bug report on it, then.
[07:43] <DanaG> "Risks: as we are supressing ACPI brightness support we may suppress it where it is required" -- damn straight!
[07:45] <DanaG> I commented that this did break my system... and nobody seemed to notice my comment.
[07:46] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716
[07:52] <lucent> hm... one of the websites I frequently download videos from has moved to RTMP streaming
[07:52] <lucent> no more easy saved flv files from cache
[07:53] <DanaG> Is it better to comment in that bug report about the breakage... or to file a new bug?
[07:54] <lucent> new bug, it clearly says that breakage will occur for broken hardware
[07:54] <lucent> your hardware is broken, or kernel does not support it
[07:54] <lucent> that is the bug
[07:54] <lucent> userland software is corrected
[07:55] <lucent> http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtmpdump wheeeeee
[07:55] <lucent> :P
[07:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/313231 --- marked a duplicate... of the bug whose fix BROKE it?  wtf?
[07:58] <DanaG> er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/314119
[07:58] <lucent> DanaG: I tell you again and again, it's a problem with your hardware and that kernel
[07:59] <lucent> report it as such.
[07:59] <DanaG> Lemme try it on another laptop, then.
[07:59] <DanaG> If it's also broken there, where it's worked in all other versions, then it IS a regression.
[07:59] <DanaG> I read the fix as this: "Don't use this method to control backlights, because it can be buggy."
[07:59] <DanaG> Fix should be: don't use it where it's buggy.
[07:59] <DanaG> What it seems to do now: NEVER use it.
[08:00] <DanaG> But I will file a new bug on it, then.
[08:00] <lucent> be nice, people are trying to help
[08:00] <DanaG> Most of those seem to be about Intrepid-Proposed.
[08:00] <lucent> bug #313231 has instructions to be followed and report back with more info
[08:01]  * DanaG does not have a thinkpad, though.
[08:02] <DanaG> What he said in that post: "                      @Sebastian -- I think this is very likely duplicate of bug #314119, which was fixed by (and now duplicate of) bug#311716.  Could you test the kernels at the URL below:"
[08:02] <DanaG> ... but for me, the "fixed by" is what broke it!
[08:03] <DanaG> I guess my case is different enough to warrant a new bug report, then.
[08:06] <DanaG> Yeah.  anyway, I'll do that tomorrow.
[08:06] <DanaG> Bedtime for me right now, though.
[08:06] <DanaG> Sat Jan 17 00:06:15 PST 2009
[08:10] <DanaG> Ah, a more relevant bug.
[08:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922
[08:11] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I was going to go to bed.  Right.
[08:11] <DanaG> Anyway, now I know where I'll comment.
[09:23] <schmidtm> Any chanches that kernel 2.6.29 will make it into Jaunty
[09:26] <RAOF> It's possible, but why?
[09:28] <RAOF> I'm not aware of any active discussion about it, but it's not yet FF, and maybe there'll be a lot of difficult-to-backport fixes in .29.
[09:29] <schmidtm> thx
[10:36] <RabbitG> hello
[12:36] <shirish> hi guys, can anybody tell me under which package should I file for sound is not working.
[13:18] <Volkodav> anybody installed skype on 64 bit box? is it any different from ibex ?
[13:34] <JediMaster> hey guys, I'm still having issues with NetworkManager, similar to the ones I reported back in intrepid beta =(
[13:34] <JediMaster> little different now, I can't edit auto eth0, it's telling me it's read-only
[13:35] <JediMaster> I used to have /etc/network/interfaces setup for a static ip, and after upgrading to jaunty alpha 3, eth0 doesn't start on boot (oddly eth3 does, which isn't even plugged in)
[13:35] <JediMaster> so, I've wiped the interfaces file and tried to edit it through networkmanager, and it won't let me change it
[13:36] <JediMaster> I can however enable eth0, but it then goes on dhcp, and unfortunately I can't assign the correct IP to it via a mac address on the dhcp server (my adsl router)
[13:37] <JediMaster> so, how the heck do you a) enable eth0 to start on boot b) set a static ip?
[13:37] <JediMaster> also, I tried with networkmanager --purge remove'd and eth0 didn't start either
[13:37] <JediMaster> ifup eth0 however works
[13:37] <JediMaster> so I have a feeling this issue is grater than just networkmanager
[13:51] <lucent> holy crap, I just got bit by a bug in ext4
[13:52] <lucent> massive data loss :(
[13:53] <JediMaster> yes, I had heard about it yesterday
[13:53] <JediMaster> 0 byte files etc
[13:53] <JediMaster> =(
[13:54] <ikonia> not good
[13:54] <JediMaster> I decided not to convert my 1.5TB of drives over yet!
[13:54] <ikonia> I won't be touching ext4 for a while as it's only just made it into the kernel
[13:54] <JediMaster> report it ASAP
[13:54] <ikonia> I personally don't think it should be in 9.04 yet
[13:55] <JediMaster> not until it's stable
[13:55] <lucent> I don
[13:55] <lucent> I don't have anything to report
[13:55] <JediMaster> just report what happened
[13:55] <lucent> it bit, and it's too late to get an idea of what happened
[13:55] <lucent> I don't even know
[13:55] <JediMaster> say what errors you got, how files are corrupted etc.
[13:55] <JediMaster> and what you did
[13:55] <lucent> JediMaster: look, I just don't know
[13:56] <JediMaster> is this an upgrade or a new partition?
[13:57] <lucent> it was a fresh install from jaunty alpha2, non-standard install
[13:57] <lucent> root-on-ext4-on-lvm
[13:57] <JediMaster> did the machine crash, or loose power?
[13:57] <lucent> I don't think so
[13:57] <lucent> I can't be sure
[13:58] <lucent> it's on all the time
[13:58] <JediMaster> weirdness, what makes you think you've got data corruption?
[13:58] <lucent> apt-get segmentation faults as of this last boot, and I ran memtest86, no errors
[13:58] <lucent> ran e2fsck and it basically comes up with hundreds of errors
[13:59] <lucent> "missing ."  "missing .."
[13:59] <JediMaster> ah ok, that's what you want to report then =)
[13:59] <lucent> hm, maybe I'll just run ext2 again
[14:00] <JediMaster> just explain, fresh install of jaunty alpha 2, using ext4 lvm on the root, working ok to start with then after a reboot apt-get segfaults and e2fsck says "missing ." etc...
[14:00] <lucent> oh that's useless though
[14:00] <lucent> who would want that
[14:00] <JediMaster> even if it's not more detailed than that, they need to know that there's an issue
[14:00] <lucent> it doesn't say anything about why it happened though
[14:00] <lucent> hm
[14:00] <lucent> I appreciate you trying to help here
[14:01] <JediMaster> I'm a developer (PHP) myself, and even something like that is helpful to at least know there's a major issue there
[14:01] <lucent> it's just annoying because I really don't have a clue what triggered this or how to reproduce the circumstances
[14:01] <JediMaster> that in itself doesn't matter too much
[14:01] <lucent> at the moment I can't run firefox or anything either
[14:01] <JediMaster> in the bug report they may ask you to run commands to debug things and give more info
[14:02] <JediMaster> ugh, nasty, definately worth reporting then
[14:02] <lucent> what's the URL for a deb of apt-get ?
[14:02] <JediMaster> no chance it's a hardware error though?
[14:02] <JediMaster> like a failed hdd
[14:02] <lucent> hdd is fine
[14:02] <JediMaster> let me look it up
[14:03] <lucent> I think dpkg kind of works, it's worth a try to get apt-get rolling again
[14:05] <JediMaster> try: wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.19ubuntu1_i386.deb; dpkg -i apt_0.7.19ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:05] <JediMaster> that's the jaunty one
[14:05] <lucent> thanks, will try
[14:07] <JediMaster> don't suppose you could show me the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces please? I'm having some upgrade issues and a fresh copy would be good to see =)
[14:08] <Volkodav> where did the shared folders go from jaunty ?
[14:08]  * JediMaster sighs as 3 cockateils fly on his head/shoulders
[14:09] <lucent> interfaces? there's nothing supposed to be there
[14:09] <JediMaster> I know, just want to see what is in it
[14:09] <JediMaster> does it even exist?
[14:09] <Volkodav> no nvidia yet ?
[14:09] <JediMaster> yes, I got nvidia working
[14:09] <lucent> eshattow@zontar:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
[14:09] <lucent> auto lo
[14:09] <lucent> iface lo inet loopback
[14:09] <lucent> that's it.
[14:09] <JediMaster> no iface for eth0?
[14:10] <JediMaster> ta
[14:10] <Volkodav> JediMaster how ? I do not see it hardware drivers - did you install manually ?
[14:10] <JediMaster> yes
[14:10] <Volkodav> which ones ?
[14:10] <JediMaster> apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[14:10]  * lucent swears shortly
[14:10] <lucent> JediMaster: the dpkg worked, apt does not
[14:10] <lucent> apt goes boom
[14:10] <lucent> core dumped
[14:11] <JediMaster> then restart X and you'll probably get a message about adding an option to the drivers
[14:11] <JediMaster> let me look it up
[14:11] <JediMaster> lucent: bugger, probably a library corrupt somewhere
[14:11] <Volkodav>  anybody installed skype on 64 bit box? is it any different from ibex ?
[14:11] <lucent> JediMaster: thanks again for the help and advice
[14:11] <lucent> JediMaster: I'm getting some sleep, this @$#@%%@ thing can wait
[14:12] <JediMaster> lol
[14:12] <JediMaster> tell me about it
[14:12] <JediMaster> I was up until 4:30am this morning
[14:12] <JediMaster> (it's 14:12 now)
[14:12] <JediMaster> only got up an hour ago lol
[14:13] <Tekno> is there how to for ext3->ext4?
[14:14] <Tekno> for existing installation
[14:15] <JediMaster> lucent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1040199
[14:15] <JediMaster> oh and for that matter, Tekno: look at that too
[14:15] <JediMaster> there's been a lot of data corruption issues
[14:16] <JediMaster> lucent's fresh install has just blown up with ext4 corruption problems and without any unclean shutdowns/power failiures
[14:17] <JediMaster> by all means, try it, but expect issues
[14:17] <JediMaster> in other words, back up everything before moving over to ext4 =)
[14:17] <AkariChan> nice, jackalope is out
[14:17]  * AkariChan proceeds to download and try
[14:18] <JediMaster> suprisingly I've had less issues with jaunty alpha than I had with intrepid beta heh
[14:18] <AkariChan> really?
[14:18] <AkariChan> I’ll try it on sun vm first
[14:19] <Tekno> "perhaps ext4 decides that a zeroed file is more "consistent"."
[14:20] <JediMaster> lmao
[14:20] <Tekno> btw
[14:21] <Tekno> after intrepid->jaunty upgrade
[14:21] <Tekno> i have this text during boot process: init: unable to execute /usr/sbin/kernel-helper for last-good-boot
[14:21] <Tekno> what does it mean?
[14:22] <JediMaster> I think that's the program that says that the last boot loaded and shutdown ok without issues, like windows' last known good configuration
[14:23] <Tekno> I want to disable it
[14:23] <AkariChan> edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:24] <AkariChan> and disable that option.
[14:24] <Tekno> there is no such option
[14:24] <Tekno> and neither anything in /boot/last-good-boot
[14:25] <ryanakca> While installing Jaunty, I get errors that some .debs are corrupt, and that it fails to download them. Is it trying to ``download'' them from the CD? If so, can I have it download the corrupt ones from the web, since I have the network setup?
[14:25] <JediMaster> anyone else having this read-only issue with network manager?
[14:40] <volkodav> hmm - it tells me nvidia drivers installed but nvidia-settings does not see them
[14:40] <volkodav> glxinfo crashes too ?
[14:40] <volkodav> is this a diff version of nvidia-settings maybe
[14:42] <volkodav> well it looks like it installed 180 but nvidia-settings is 177.78
[14:45] <JediMaster> have you rebooted?
[14:46] <volkodav> yeah
[14:46]  * JediMaster gives up with network-manager and --purge remove's it
[14:46] <volkodav> I even tried my conf from ibex
[14:46] <volkodav> still no go
[14:46] <volkodav> I'll try another reboot though
[14:47] <JediMaster> pfft, I've had major issues with getting network-manager to set a static ip address ever since intrepid beta, and it still doesn't work. So, back to /etc/network/interfaces it is
[14:47] <JediMaster> my bug report from august has nearly 100 comments on it, and it's still not sorted
[14:49] <volkodav> still same shit
[14:49] <volkodav> gnome will not remember session
[14:49] <JediMaster> bug reports =)
[14:49] <volkodav> nvidia-setting does not see the drivers asks to nvidia-xconfig
[14:50] <volkodav> yeah
[14:50] <volkodav> will post a couple
[14:50] <JediMaster> good good =)
[14:50] <volkodav> think will get more thyen that by the end of the day
[14:51] <volkodav> compiz won't kick in- it has all to do with nvidia I think
[14:51] <JediMaster> I've had no issues after installing nvidia-glx-180 and adding the config line to xorg to get it to actually load
[14:52] <JediMaster> even auto-detected my 37" TV's 1360x768 res
[14:52] <volkodav> you mean the line nvidia ?
[14:52] <JediMaster> no, there's a line you need to add to get it to start at all for me
[14:52] <volkodav> I have same res matter of fact on 32"
[14:52] <volkodav> which one ?
[14:53] <JediMaster> Option "ignoreABI" "True"
[14:53] <JediMaster> in the "ServerFlags" section
[14:53] <volkodav> lemme check mine see what's up
[14:54] <JediMaster> make sure the driver is set to nvidia of course
[14:54] <volkodav> it is
[14:55] <JediMaster> volkodav: http://pastebin.com/d52aee105
[14:55] <JediMaster> that's all I have
[14:55] <JediMaster> "dontzap" is to allow the ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[14:56] <volkodav> I'll try yours now - do you have nvidia-settings working toio ?
[14:56] <JediMaster> not tried, let me have a go
[14:56] <JediMaster> yes
[14:56] <JediMaster> it says 180.22
[14:56] <volkodav> see
[14:57] <volkodav> mine says 177.8
[14:58] <volkodav> you mean the driver or nvidia-settings version ?
[14:58] <JediMaster> driver
[14:58] <JediMaster> first page that opens in nvidia-settings
[14:58] <JediMaster> NVIDIA Driver Version: 180.22
[14:58] <volkodav> yeah I have same driver
[14:59] <volkodav> what is the version of nvidia-settings you have ?
[14:59] <JediMaster> where does it say?
[15:00] <JediMaster> apt-cache show nvidia-settings says 177.78
[15:01] <volkodav> same here
[15:01] <volkodav> well i put your config in - reboot
[15:01] <JediMaster> but does it really matter? the driver appears to be working fine as does nvidia-settings
[15:01] <JediMaster> kk
[15:01] <volkodav> well not mine yet
[15:01] <volkodav> brb
[15:05] <JediMaster> so?
[15:05] <volkodav> now it works all good with your config
[15:05] <JediMaster> yay =)
[15:05] <volkodav> volkodav@Jaunty-64:~$ glxinfo |grep direct
[15:05] <volkodav> direct rendering: Yes
[15:05] <volkodav>     GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
[15:06] <JediMaster> when I started X up after the upgrade it had uninstalled nvidia-glx from intrepid
[15:06] <volkodav> compiz kikcked in too
[15:06] <volkodav> well I did a fresh install
[15:06] <JediMaster> it came up saying do I want the generic config, so I said yes, then just installed nvidia-glx-180, added the driver "nvidia" line and that abi line and restarted X
[15:06] <volkodav> could not upgrade from ibex
[15:07] <JediMaster> however, the generic config didn't even try to load nv
[15:07] <JediMaster> it loaded the vesa driver
[15:07] <volkodav> I heard nv is not that great on 10.6 xorg yet
[15:08] <volkodav> will try to install skype
[15:08] <volkodav> see what's up with all these 32 bit libs
[15:08] <JediMaster> you running 64bit version of jaunty then?
[15:10] <volkodav> yes
[15:10] <JediMaster> any reason?
[15:10] <volkodav> can not see medibuntu for jaunty yet
[15:10] <JediMaster> I got 2GB ram in this machine, so have no use for 64bit version yet
[15:11] <volkodav> reason is as simple as it may get - I run 64 bit OS on a 64 bit box
[15:11] <volkodav> hehe
[15:11]  * JediMaster ponders why snort is running
[15:11] <volkodav> skype is the only POS that still in 32 bit world
[15:11] <volkodav> the rest works great
[15:12] <volkodav> I even got the barry to work on 64 bit
[15:13] <volkodav> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-7486ed038a9becc1dff10a24cc07a38a00d70e9f
[15:13] <volkodav> no jaunty here yet
[15:13] <volkodav> I guess
[15:17] <JediMaster> I just compile my own mplayer
[15:17] <JediMaster> doesn't take long
[15:17] <volkodav> the one in repos crashes big time
[15:17] <volkodav> I use xine-ui
[15:18] <JediMaster> tried XBMC?
[15:18] <volkodav> nope
[15:18] <volkodav> any good ?
[15:18] <JediMaster> best interface I've ever found for a media center
[15:18] <volkodav> hmm
[15:18] <JediMaster> I used to run it on my chipped Xbox original =)
[15:18] <JediMaster> and now they have an ubuntu version
[15:18] <zniavre> hello im looking for someone who experienced libv4/2.6.27l issues with hardware as tunertv (annalogic) and xawtv ?it is now ok ?
[15:19] <JediMaster> not tried it in jaunty yet though
[15:19] <volkodav> apt-cache search does not bring any
[15:19] <JediMaster> yeah, it's an external one
[15:20] <volkodav> link ?
[15:20] <JediMaster> try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XBMC
[15:20] <volkodav> well skype crashes   Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[15:20] <volkodav> POS
[15:20] <JediMaster> sweet, it works nicely in jaunty
[15:21] <volkodav> thanks
[15:21] <JediMaster> playing 720p x264 files with AAC audio
[15:21] <JediMaster> want the repos for sources.list?
[15:22] <volkodav> yeah - why not
[15:24] <JediMaster> it's a hardy one, but appears to work in jaunty lol: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc-hardy/ubuntu hardy main
[15:24] <volkodav> ok
[15:27] <JediMaster> volkodav: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc-intrepid/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:27] <JediMaster> that's the intrepid one
[15:28] <JediMaster> just upgrading to that =)
[15:29] <volkodav> ok
[15:32] <volkodav> gpg error though
[15:32] <volkodav> have the key ?
[15:33] <volkodav> intrepid medibuntu works too
[15:35] <volkodav> trying skype from their repo
[15:36] <volkodav> same crash
[15:37]  * volkodav installing xbmc
[15:39] <volkodav> it is nice \
[16:40] <maverick340> cant seem to find instruction to upgrade from ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04alpha3 ?
[16:41] <maverick340> any help ?
[16:43] <volkodav> http://pastie.org/363301 <== I am getting this on skype on 64 bit jaunty ? any success with this sucker anybody ?
[16:43] <maverick340> sorry got it
[16:43] <maverick340> update-manager -d
[16:44] <volkodav> nvidia runs hotter under new drivers too
[16:44] <volkodav> 5-7 degrees higher
[16:48] <mnemo> will jaunty ship with .28 or .19 kernel??
[16:49] <mnemo> .29 I mean
[16:51] <Tekno> who knows
[16:51] <Tekno> .29 is not stable yet
[16:52] <charlie-tca> I'm showing in .28-4 in 64-bit
[16:52] <mnemo> yeah jaunty currently has 2.6.28-4-generic
[16:53] <mnemo> but I wonder if they will change it again before shipping
[16:53] <mnemo> i mean .29 is rc2 right now
[16:54] <Tekno> o_O
[17:23] <volkodav> where is shared Folders in jaunty ?
[17:23] <volkodav> gone?
[17:23] <volkodav> with the wind ?
[17:34] <volkodav>  /etc/init.d/samba restart does not work in jaunty ?
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Is gedit preference setup date & time plugin broken in jaunty?
[18:00] <Sloshy> i know that there's kdenlive 0.7 packages for Jaunty, but will they be upgraded to 0.7.1 before jaunty is launched?
[18:01] <Sloshy> i mean it fixes some bugs and adds a feature or two, so i don't really know why not
[18:12] <DanaG> Aah, added my comments on a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922
[18:24] <bsdgroup> hello I have question about partitioning disk, every time when I chose ext4 (ubuntu 9.04) and when I partition disk, after reading it again it says ext3, so is this a bug or??? what can be the problem?
[18:25] <bsdgroup> anyone?
[19:04] <ToHellWithGA> is alpha 3 a little better than alpha 2?
[19:04] <ToHellWithGA> i tried to install alpha 2 on two machines and neither made it past the login screen (graphically at least)
[19:10] <hggdh> ToHellWithGA, it should be more stable
[19:11] <hggdh> or not... lots of updates from A2 to A3
[19:11] <ToHellWithGA> if i can log in i'll use is :)
[19:11] <ToHellWithGA> stability isn't so important to me as the ability to use the thing enough to report bugs
[19:14] <derekS> hey guys. i am using latest jaunty and it seems pulse audio volumes are really low, lower than when I used alsa. I checked the volume controls and everything seems maxed
[19:15] <derekS> suggestions?
[19:30] <DanaG> damn gnome-panel.... changing screen resolution royally breaks my panel layout.
[19:34] <DanaG> argh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/36189
[19:55] <user___> hi, i cant seem to find a gui way to modify network settings. fields are greyed out and there is no unlock button. what am i missing?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Is that the current jaunty?
[19:58] <user___> yes a3
[19:59] <charlie-tca> I use static ip's and had to hit add instead of edit in the network manager
[19:59] <user___> its a vbox guest, and i'd like to modify the ipv4 settings
[19:59] <user___> ok, testing
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I could not change eth0, so I added a new connections
[20:00] <charlie-tca> It connected really slow a few times, but now seems to be working
[20:24] <nbeebo> when about will jaunty be stable?
[20:25] <gompa> hi i just installed ubuntu 9.04 it worked ok but i keep getting ata1 comreset faild it boots after a wile but my sata disk is not visible
[20:27] <user___> nbeebo: google: jaunty release schedule
[20:28] <Splex> I have many source directories i want to run 'make clean' in, any idea how i would go about this with one command?
[20:29] <nbeebo> about february 20 i guess
[20:30] <user___> Splex: maybe (!) find? | man find has good examples at the end of the man page
[20:31] <Splex> user___, i tried this: 'find -maxdepth 1 -type d | while read dir; do cd $dir; make clean; cd ..; done' but it didn't work... i will take a look at the man as you suggest
[20:36] <DanaG> find has a -exec parameter you fcan use.
[20:36] <DanaG> can use.
[20:40] <gompa> are there jaunty nvidea drivers already ?
[20:42] <user___> gompa: the release notes of a3 might have info on this
[20:43] <gompa> where do i find them ?(could only find aplha 2 on some unoficial servers)
[20:44] <user___> gompa: no patronizing intended, but i am sure you can find them on your own, google? :-)
[20:45] <gompa> yeah only unofficial ?
[20:45] <gompa> ah no srry some pages further
[20:46] <user___> gompa: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=jaunty+alpha+3+release+notes , first hit 16 hours ago
[20:46] <gompa> hmm :P
[20:46] <gompa> i searched on ubuntu 9.04 alpha 3
[20:46] <gompa> :P
[20:46] <user___> gompa: dont take it personal, please, i am nonnative ;-)
[20:46] <Volkodav> evolution will only run one message at a time on filter rules ?
[20:50] <Volkodav> had to highlight them all to run the filter - sucker it is
[21:19] <Volkodav> how do I restart samba darn it /etc/init.d/samba restart does not work ?
[21:20] <marijus> hello, i compiled 2.6.29-rc2 kernel with kms support and use latest xorg and intel on jaunty a.t.m. But i get a corrupted screen instead of GDM. KMS seems to work tho... anyone want to help?
[21:21] <phzero> marijus, i read soemthing in the release notes about the flgrx and nvidia drivers not working... you have to use ati or nv in the meantime instead... if youre using flgrx or nvidia that is
[21:21] <phzero> and there are issues the the intel 845 too i think
[21:22] <marijus> phzero: i use intel i915
[21:23] <phzero> ah i dunno then
[21:23] <phzero> ive got an intel 945gm here
[21:23] <marijus> did you try KMS?
[21:24] <phzero> i mean gdm works for me... i dont even know what kms is xD
[21:25] <marijus> kms  = kernelmodesetting
[21:25] <phzero> still dunno what that is :S im a bit of a noob as far as pre-release testers go
[21:27] <phzero> oh btw, is anyone here using xubuntu jaunty and getting an ubuntu splash screen even without ubuntu-desktop installed?
[21:28] <charlie-tca> phzero: Do you mean you usplash is orange instead of blue?
[21:28] <phzero> yep
[21:29] <phzero> and says ubuntu instead of xubuntu etc
[21:29] <charlie-tca> weird! I had that until last week. It should be fixed in alpha3
[21:29] <pHzero> oh right... i only just installed
[21:29] <pHzero> about 20 mins ago
[21:30] <charlie-tca> so it isn't fixed?
[21:30] <pHzero> apparently not :(
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Which image did you install from?
[21:30] <pHzero> current daily
[21:30] <charlie-tca> live alternate?
[21:30] <pHzero> its complicated
[21:30] <charlie-tca> desktop or alternate?
[21:31] <pHzero> alternate... sorta
[21:31] <charlie-tca> maybe the "sorta" is why the usplash is wrong
[21:31] <charlie-tca> I ran all the images and did not see it
[21:31] <pHzero> this computer doesnt boot from cd so i put the cd image on my web server and ran the net install, using my web server as the mirror to download from
[21:31] <pHzero> *extracted the cd image to my web server
[21:32] <charlie-tca> still should have been right, then, unless it installed gnome first
[21:32] <pHzero> nope, i installed basic command line, then sudo aptitude installed xubuntu-desktop
[21:33] <pHzero> oooh wait... theres a kernel upgrade
[21:33] <pHzero> maybe thatll fix it
[21:33] <charlie-tca> okay, I'll see if I can find what is wrong, then. Must be the net install doing it.
[21:34] <pHzero> wait a min... i'll see if the kernel upgrade fixes it
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Okay, but I don't think it will. More likely, we don't have that package updated
[21:35] <pHzero> actually it doesnt really matter anyway - i just wanted to know so i knew whether to file a bug report. i dont reallly care what splash screen i have
[21:36] <charlie-tca> I care about it being wrong. I'll have to check the package and find out what happened.
[21:36] <pHzero> nah dont worry - as you said, its probably my fault for doing a really complex install xD
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Well, thanks for letting me know!
[21:44] <Volkodav> is there a repo for xfce 4.6 beta ?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I think beta1 is in ppa
[21:45] <Volkodav> beta 2 is out for a while
[21:46] <Volkodav> charlie-tca have a link to ppa by any chance ?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Yes, and beta 3 just came out
[21:46] <Volkodav> getting close enough
[21:46] <charlie-tca> Let me see
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, hopefully beta3 will be in Jaunty soon
[21:48] <charlie-tca> beta 1 is in  ~xubuntu-dev
[21:48] <charlie-tca> on launchpad
[21:48] <Volkodav> ok thanks
[22:11] <Volkodav> will the itrepid repo for xfce 4.6 work for jaunty you think ?
[22:13] <zniavre> !nouveau
[22:15] <zniavre> can i try nouveau driver for nvidia fx5500 and hope for 3d?
[22:19] <zniavre> Any 3D functionality that might exist is still unsupported, do not ask for instructions to try it.>< sorry i will do not ask anymore
[22:26] <DanaG> My biggest-deal bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922
[22:35] <lymeca> So I've got everything updated and I'm trying to run fglrx with my Mobility HD 2600
[22:39] <lymeca> but it fails with this error:
[22:39] <DanaG> I've been having fglrx issues myself.   I had to lock the X server and libdrm2 at the Intrepid versions, but even then, I can only use fglrx 8.543.  All newer ones give kernel panic.
[22:39] <lymeca> http://pastebin.ca/1311166
[22:39] <lymeca> DanaG: I don't get kernel panics thank heavens
[22:39] <DanaG> HD2600 is R500, right?  You may be able to use the 'radeon' or 'radeonhd' drivers.
[22:39] <lymeca> (EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (2)
[22:40] <lymeca> Nope, anything "HD" is either r600 or r700
[22:40] <lymeca> no 3-D support yet unless I use fglrx
[22:40] <DanaG> I have HD3650; that's RV635.
[22:40] <lymeca> Yeah
[22:40] <DanaG> I had to downgrade xserver-xorg-core and libdrm2.
[22:40] <lymeca> HD 2xxx and HD 3xxx are r600
[22:40] <lymeca> hmm
[22:40] <DanaG> ... and other stuff.  It was a bit of a pain.
[22:41] <DanaG> I essentially have both Intrepid and Jaunty repos defined for everything.
[22:41]  * lymeca vibes on thoughts of a world with libre ATI drivers
[23:19] <Volkodav> I can't get samba shares to be senn on the network
[23:19] <Volkodav> hardy is all good but jaunty and ibex are a bitch