[00:05] <tkamppeter> Anyone of the TB or in some other format permitted to grant me upload rights for a package into main? I have upload rights for all printing packages into main, but it did not work for cupsddk and I would like to get it corrected. Thanks.
[00:11] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: I suggest mailing technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com - they probably won't be around at this time
[00:11] <cjwatson> nobody else has the authority to do that
[00:12] <cjwatson> (I can confirm that you don't have upload access to cupsddk)
[00:18] <tkamppeter> cjwatson: , thanks.
[03:46] <benh> hoy
[03:46] <benh> is ports. down ?
[03:46] <benh> ie, temporary breakage or something more permanent ?
[03:55] <wgrant> benh: It wouldn't be anything permanent. I suspect it's just down and as it's a weekend nobody has noticed yet...
[03:55] <benh> ok
[07:08] <SingAlong> Hi all!
[07:09] <SingAlong> I'm trying to compile a lib gives me Xrender.h errors. Says Xrender.h isnt found. But I verified the location I specified and the file is present. Has anyone got such errors?
[07:10] <sukiminna_> seems like there is nobody here..
[07:10] <sukiminna_> :(
[07:11] <SingAlong> sukiminna: ?
[07:11] <SingAlong> yeah I think I'll go back to #ubuntu
[07:11] <RAOF> SingAlong: That doesn't sound like a question about the development of ubuntu, so is likely to be off-topic.
[07:12] <SingAlong> RAOF: sorry!
[07:12] <RAOF> SingAlong: Plus, the minimum useful information would include a pastebin link containing the full terminal output of whatever's not working.
[09:41] <karthik_> hey anyone please help how to create a new workspace
[09:42] <Mithrandir> karthik_: this channel is not for support, please ask in #ubuntu.
[09:42] <iulian> karthik_: Please join #ubuntu for user support.
[09:43] <karthik_> Mithrandir: i asked as a programmers view
[09:43] <karthik_> i want it to create using a c prog
[09:44] <iulian> karthik_: And still this is not the right channel to ask.
[09:44] <iulian> karthik_: See /topic.
[09:45] <karthik_> iulian: ok could you please tell where to ask
[09:46] <iulian> karthik_: I've no idea, sorry.  You can try google.
[09:47] <karthik_> iulian: as workspace is related to development of desktop related thing.. are there channels for desktop development?
[09:47] <Mithrandir> karthik_: assuming you are on gnome, see http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels ?
[09:50] <karthik_> ok
[10:37] <lool> Err "import common" /usr/share/pyshared/common.py in ubuntu-dev-tools
[10:38] <jpds> lool: I thought I moved that to /usr/share/ubuntu-dev-tools.
[10:40] <lool> jpds: I only updated yesterday
[10:40]  * lool updates
[10:41] <lool> jpds: I created credentials with manage-credentials (which should IMO be lp-manage-credentials), but requestsync still breaks
[10:41] <jpds> lool: I just saw the bug report.
[10:42] <lool> jpds: It's not that bug
[10:42] <lool> The bug I filed is when I didn't have any credentials
[10:42] <lool> But it still doesn't work after creating them
[10:42] <lool> jpds: It seems I'm up-to-date WRT ubunt-dev-tools
[10:42] <lool> I have 0.55 which seems to be the newest
[10:43] <lool> jpds: Oh I think I'm really stupid
[10:43] <lool> lalala
[10:44] <lool> I should read man pages til the end
[10:45] <lool> jpds: Are you aware of the permissions being work readable by default?
[10:46] <jpds> lool: Oh, yeah. You need a token with 'ubuntu-dev-tools' as the name. And yes, that's fixed in Bazaar.
[10:47] <lool> jpds: Ok; thanks
[10:50] <jpds> lool: OK; improved error message to show what token name is needed.
[11:01] <lool> jpds: Thanks :)
[11:12] <DktrKranz> lool, intrepid-proposed upload of language-pack-gnome-{de,it}-base make packages conflicting with language-pack-gnome-{de,it} (see bug 317934). Is it fine for you to manually adjust depenencies on correct language-pack-gnome-{de,it} versions available in intrepid-updates?
[11:19] <lool> DktrKranz: Thanks a lot for the pointer
[11:20] <lool> slangasek, cjwatson: what's your preference for fixing this?  Changing the deps for the -base SRUs, or also SRU-ing the non -base langpacks?
[11:20] <lool> I would rather do the former
[11:29] <lool> Updated bugs
[11:42] <jpds> lool: u-d-t 0.56 uploaded.
[12:01] <cjwatson> lool: adjust the deps for -base, I think
[12:05] <DktrKranz> lool, I just noticed language-pack-gnome-{de,it}-base have Conflicts/Replaces field which do use of (<< ${Source-Version}), so they need mangling too.
[12:07] <cjwatson> isn't that what lool basically already said?
[12:07] <cjwatson> the only reason I'm at all uncomfortable with mangling -base is that the mangling is going to be messy at the source level
[12:07] <cjwatson> although I suppose you could just hardcode the versions for now
[12:34] <ogra> hmm, is it me or has ports.u.c a problem ?
[14:05] <lool> jpds: Thanks; however I think you mixed the issue I reported on IRC with the one I reported in LP: I still think it's a bug to require lp credentials by default, at least it's inconsistent with having a --lp flag
[14:05] <lool> jpds: Albeit not my preference, I wouldn't mind a requirement to use LP for this tool
[14:06] <lool> Just not the situation where it's needed while it seems it's not ;)
[14:06] <jpds> lool: Hmm, no credentials found, and skip LP bug check?
[14:08] <lool> jpds: Yes
[14:08] <jpds> lool: OK, I can do that.
[14:08] <lool> Thanks a lot
[14:12] <lool> Erf language-pack-gnome-$l-base Replaces itself; I guess it's due to some common template and simplifications
[14:30] <jpds> lool: Commited to bzr.
[14:41] <fbond> Hi.  NetworkManager failed to add a route to the gateway and a default route.  I'm at a hotel.  How can I quickly grab enough info for someone to debug (I'll upload to launchpad)?
[14:41] <fbond> (Windows machines work correctly.)
[14:42] <fbond> (NM reported the gateway correctly when I clicked "Connection Information".)
[14:53] <directhex> fbond, i've occasionally had strangely windows-only wifi. what driver are you using?
[14:58] <fbond> directhex: b43.  It works after I added the routes correctly.
[14:58] <fbond> directhex: Although the captive portal seemed to be a little confused by me.
[16:05] <lool> cjwatson, slangasek: Pushed -it and -de base langpacks again (intrepid2); I've test installed these in a new intrepid virtual machine from my ppa (after reproducing the installation issue with -proposed)
[16:07] <lool> (and these are in unapproved)
[17:26] <ramvi> How do I customize the UNR iso?There's no casper directory like here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[17:40] <spod-> hi does anybody know if there is a gdb package with thread debugging enabled?
[17:41] <spod-> or do i have to compile it myself?
[18:14] <hyperair> spod-: http://pastebin.com/d103e4f97 <-- see, gdb has threading support by default
[20:02] <i-pink> hi i have a problem in the time applet (gnome)
[20:03] <i-pink> i think is bug
[20:04] <i-pink> look a this screensot http://www1.speedyshare.com/data/488896368/14740217/4014211/Screenshot-1.png
[20:06] <cjwatson> please use the bug tracking system: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - bug reports on IRC are usually lost
[20:07] <i-pink> how to that?
[20:08] <i-pink> you can help me with this?
[20:08] <cjwatson> no
[20:08] <cjwatson> this is a development channel; please go elsewhere for support, e.g. #ubuntu
[20:08] <i-pink> ok :S
[20:09] <cjwatson> lool: language-pack-gnome-{de,it}-base accepted, thanks
[20:09] <i-pink> is for the development
[21:56] <tvakah> is there any particular reason that ubuntu's shipping php with magic quotes on by default?
[22:19] <ScottK> tvakah: I'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[22:19] <tvakah> ScottK: ehh I see there's been a bug since march about it, and it's still not been addressed in jaunty, oh well
[22:20] <ScottK> tvakah: I'm just saying you're more likely to get an answer there.
[22:20]  * ScottK has no idea about php.
[22:23]  * calc still looking for bugs not already fixed to put on his pet bugs list, heh
[22:23] <calc> lots of bugs fixed for 3.0 :)
[22:23] <savvas> tvakah: they're off by default I think
[22:23] <savvas> http://us.php.net/manual/en/security.magicquotes.php
[22:24] <tvakah> savvas: negative, I just got bit by it, spent many hours trying to find out why my code wasn't working until I finally went "d'oh"
[22:24] <tvakah> latest php5 from jaunty
[22:24] <tvakah> freshly reinstalled due to doing the jaunty upgrade ( I reintalled from scratch )
[22:24] <tvakah> which is why it bit me since I'd turned them off long ago in intrepid
[22:25] <savvas> what's the bug report number?
[22:27] <savvas> I think someone should report this to the ubuntu-hardened team
[22:27] <savvas> just found a discussion about it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-hardened/2008-September/000416.html
[22:31] <savvas> tvakah: what's the bug report number?
[22:34] <tvakah> savvas: #204479
[22:34] <tvakah> it's a "wishlist" importance for some reason
[22:35] <savvas> bug #204479
[22:38] <savvas> the patch comes directly from debian
[22:39] <savvas> debian/patches/029-php.ini_paranoid.patch
[22:41] <savvas> tvakah: I'll try report this to debian first, we'll see if they'll fix it :)
[22:42] <tvakah> savvas: heh you're saying a patch called "paranoid" turns it _on_?
[22:42] <tvakah> seems a tad messed up
[22:42] <savvas> yep
[22:50] <savvas> tvakah: hold a sec, it's a bit messy with all those patches, let me read it once more :)
[23:05] <savvas> tvakah: I can't do this, the package is just too big for my knowledge :(
[23:06] <tvakah> ahh, well at this rate may as well wait for php6 then since the "feature" is finally being put down
[23:06] <cjwatson> I've linked the PHP bug to the corresponding Debian bug
[23:06] <cjwatson> "Although I agree that magic_quotes_* suck (and IMHO they should not even
[23:06] <cjwatson> exist) I don't know how good it will make (besides most likely breaking lots
[23:06] <cjwatson> of poorly designed scripts) as long as upstream provide a php.ini with _gpg =
[23:06] <cjwatson> on.
[23:06] <cjwatson> "
[23:07] <tvakah> cjwatson: actually most php projects of size have automatic checks to disable magic quotes if the server has them on
[23:07] <cjwatson> I know nothing about PHP and want to know less
[23:07] <savvas> tvakah: actually php 5.3.0 :)
[23:07] <cjwatson> just quoting the Debian bug
[23:07] <tvakah> it more affects individual developers such as myself who start a simple standalone script assuming a sane setup ;)
[23:08] <savvas> they'll deprecate it in that version as well
[23:08] <cjwatson> actually, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512037 has more helpful discussion
[23:10] <savvas> so that's why I couldn't find it :P
[23:11] <cjwatson> anyway, looks like the reason Debian and Ubuntu both ship it that way is (ultimately) that: that's the upstream default too; some of the Debian maintainers are reluctant to change it right before the release of Lenny; and Ubuntu is just following along here
[23:12] <tvakah> *nod* just got done reading that too, ahh well, not a world stopping thing by far, just caused a raised eyebrow here and a bit of face+palming ;)
[23:12] <cjwatson> PHP isn't something we put a lot of direct maintenance effort into beyond necessary adjustments for Ubuntu's structure and other related packages, I think
[23:13] <cjwatson> certainly it seems extremely probable that both Debian and Ubuntu would follow the upstream change in php6
[23:14] <tvakah> heh fortunately there's no choice in v6, they're finally axing the bugger
[23:14] <savvas> hm.. cjwatson's right, php.ini-recommended is the one that has magic_quotes "off" heh
[23:15] <tvakah> see it's this thing where by it causes all incoming strings ( like post, get , and cookie variables ) to have _al_ quotes have a literal "\" prepended so as to make them escaped for easy use inside say a sql insert statement
[23:16] <tvakah> that's what's magic about it, it lets lesser programmers write sql statements... with disasterous magic sideeffects
[23:16] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, I've heard enough about it to know it's entirely braindead
[23:16] <cjwatson> classic case of why it's important to have clearly defined quoting rules that you violate at your peril
[23:16] <tvakah> and if you don't work in php every day and just incidentally try to write a php script to "Get something done", you'll end up not noticing it at first until it bites you ;)
[23:25] <directhex> when i see NCommander doing things, i can't help but think of the electric six song "dance commander"
[23:26] <NCommander> Get up, get up, get up AND DANCE!
[23:29] <LaserJock> anybody happen to know what the difference between gitpkg and git-buildpackage is?