=== _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [01:13] anybody know of a ssh-add frontend for KDE? [01:16] wow 200 channels on satelilite tv and nothing to watch [01:17] jjesse-dell9: new survivorman is it for me, else nada to watch :( [01:17] wow, 200 [01:17] * claydoh has about that on cable [01:18] I just got my DTV converter thingy and I have like 3 new channels, I think I'm up to ~7 :-) [01:18] i havent received my convertor thingy coupon yet [01:18] probablly should [01:18] * claydoh just needs showtime, discovery, animal planet and maybe one or 2 more [01:18] jjesse-dell9: did you sign up for it? [01:19] nope [01:19] too lazy [01:19] it takes quite a while to get them [01:19] it's also kinda hard to find cheap converters [01:20] I got mine from Tiger Direct, $0.01 + $7.99 shipping :-) [01:20] walmart only has 49 dollar ones, the 'free' ones are getting scarce [01:20] * claydoh has his coupin expiring in a few weeks [01:21] mine is ok but the audio has like a background buzz that you can hear when the TV is turned down [01:21] before the coupons were out they were 20 buck [01:22] * claydoh does not much care for quassel yet :( [01:26] I don't either, but I haven't tried it much [01:27] I went from konversation to irssi, i tried kvirc and didn't like it either [01:32] I am making a vain attempt to be as qt4/kde4 as possible, just to see [01:33] tho I will be installing kmymoney2 before long, [01:33] and already have miro running [01:52] claydoh: The upstream devs have been very open to suggestions from us. [01:54] * LaserJock goes to give it another go [01:54] I have yet to get through the configuration [01:55] vorian: Do we still need to do Universe plasmoid rebuilds again? [01:56] ScottK-desktop: yep [01:56] i was just getting ready to do that [01:56] odd [01:56] OK. Great. [01:57] I'll be here to help out in a bit. [01:57] ok [01:57] I've still got all the ones I did last time on my hard drive. [01:57] i don't :( [01:59] ScottK-desktop: can you tell me which ones you have? [02:00] vorian: Not right now. $ELDEST_CHILD has posession of my laptop (It's got the only copy of XP we own and she's doing iTunes on her iPod Touch). [02:00] ok [02:00] I should be able to retrieve it in ~20 minutes or so. [02:00] when you are ready just shout [02:00] Will do. [02:01] ScottK-desktop: this quassel thing is pretty non-intuitive. Why is there a huge logo thing and like 2 lines of chat at the top? [02:01] ScottK-desktop: same here, it is mostly just confusing to saet up as a standalone client still [02:02] ScottK-desktop: do we need a quassel guide for kubuntu docs? [02:03] neversfelde: I am checking it out just for that purlose (hopefully) [02:03] umm purpose [02:03] I see a nick list thing, but no nicks in it [02:03] I can't figure out how to set what channels to join [02:04] but am still confused by the setup and options, and very little documentation anywhere [02:04] claydoh: I wrote a german one [02:04] http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Internet/Quassel [02:04] probably I can find some translators [02:04] it took me a while to figure out how to connect to the server (I just started clicking on things) [02:04] well I can look at it to get the rough idea [02:05] gaaah [02:05] LaserJock: lol thats how I got in :) [02:05] my screen keeps freezing [02:05] * Hobbsee puts it in front of the heater [02:05] :) [02:07] \o [02:08] * JontheEchidna was playing volleyball with some friends at the gym [02:08] * Hobbsee picks JontheEchidna up, and serves him over the net [02:08] * claydoh hugs his laptop, its -1F/-18C here in maine, and he is feeling drafts :( [02:09] impromptu volleyball game in #kubuntu-devel? [02:09] * vorian spikes it [02:09] claydoh: I heard it got down to -40 in maine a few days ago [02:09] -40 C and F :P [02:10] claydoh: if you need help for documentation, call me. My english is not very good, but I think I can translate it and you can guess the meaning :) [02:12] JontheEchidna: yeah, waaay up north, but here in Bangor *only* -23 [02:12] near Concord we got -17F [02:12] neversfelde: cool, thanks! my german is pretty nonexistent, but i will see how I can do, good that there are graphics to go with it, which helps alot [02:13] Please everyone take notes so we can get stuff fixed/documented. [02:13] * ScottK-desktop points Sput about 10 - 15 minutes ago .... [02:14] yay :) [02:14] this thing is too .... KDE [02:14] vorian: http://pastebin.com/f5c800005 (I have seized controlof the laptop). [02:14] I think the welcome screen will help with that first-time-users stuff :) [02:14] * Sput pokes seele about a mockup/suggestions how that could look like again [02:14] claydoh: k, I will ask if someone from kubuntu-de.org can translate this document. [02:14] Actually $ELDEST_CHILD announced "I'm done, thanks and handed it back with 5% battery. [02:14] ScottK: ok (i already did kbstate) [02:15] vorian: OK. I won't do it again, again. [02:15] First I have to push $YOUNGEST_CHILD into bed. [02:15] how do I change what channels are joined at startup? [02:15] alrighty [02:15] ah, also I'm currently moving all config files to the XDG location (in ~/.config I guess), and make sure quassel won't need a $HOME anymore by providing a --configdir switch [02:15] neversfelde: thanks! I will focus mastly on the standalone version, and not the 'core' and 'client' parts probably [02:15] LaserJock: quassel should remember [02:16] LaserJock: In irssi? [02:16] can I tell it to not do that? [02:16] nevermind :) [02:16] LaserJock: start it with --norestore [02:16] ryanakca: no, I know how to do that [02:16] (or -n) [02:16] Sput: that's rather unfortunate [02:16] claydoh: I should have a look at this, currently using client - core [02:17] I don't want my IRC client to remember what channels I was in, I want to tell which ones to join [02:17] neversfelde: yes, we need something to assist us 'normal' users in setting this up :) [02:18] claydoh: where are you writing the documentation? [02:18] Could someone provide me with some inspiration as to the source of my defective Jaunty (Kubuntu, current daily, alternative, i386) CD? The md5sums of the downloaded image and the server image match, and the md5sum of the local image and the burned image match according to k3b. I've tried burning it three times across two CDs, but it fails every time I put it through verify CD on its boot menu. Any ideas as to the source of the problem? [02:18] note: we are still working on streamlining the UI [02:18] in particular the welcome experience [02:18] neversfelde: nowhere yet, just decided to look at it and maybe try out a wiki page [02:19] Sput: sure, just trying to give some feedback [02:19] sure :) [02:19] also, our wiki has grown the past couple days: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/wiki/quassel-irc [02:19] claydoh: if you try out the wiki page, tell me [02:21] Sput: I#d like to help with documentation, probably we can port http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Internet/Quassel to a more general version? [02:21] neversfelde: google translator is terrible :) [02:22] as I told before, my english is not so ggod [02:22] claydoh: I could have told you before [02:22] :) [02:22] had to try :) [02:22] hehe [02:22] * claydoh likes the notifications in quassel [02:23] well, people over in #quassel are working on that (mainly sph, I think), so if you like to collaborate, I'm all for it :) [02:23] * neversfelde too [02:23] notifications? [02:23] Sput: k, I will ask there tomorrow [02:23] cool :) [02:23] I need to go to bed too, it's 3:20 already [02:24] oh, wow [02:25] LaserJock: quassel is using the kde4.2 notification thingy [02:26] hmm, I guess I turned off notifications [02:28] I generally really dislike notifications [02:28] ScottK: i'm finished with everything not on your list, i'll start at le bottom [02:28] LaserJock: i'm in the same boat [02:28] I've wondered how possible it would be to have like a "disable all notifications" option in System Settings [02:28] <3 irssi + flashy screen [02:30] * ScottK tosses out http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html [02:30] I should do that, as they are getting annoying in a Vista-uac-like way [02:31] * neversfelde asked for ztranslators in our foruj [02:31] gnah [02:31] batterie power is low [02:32] ScottK: is that *all* notifications, I can't quite tell what he's saying [02:32] LaserJock: You now know as much as I do. [02:32] plasma_applet_systemtray, that looks like maybe it'd be right [02:34] vorian: You did kbstate already. right? [02:34] ScottK: knock rsibreak off your list [02:34] ScottK: yep [02:35] hmmm [02:35] kepas was not fixed [02:40] vorian: Did you do plasmoid-toggle-compositing? [02:40] * ScottK did the others above that. [02:40] no [02:40] OK. I got that one. [02:41] im trying to fix kepas at the moment :) [02:42] I'm no dev and I am RATHER *frustrated* after a week of KDE4, but I really need to say this to someone? [02:42] vorian: I'm also rather proud of how I made that list: ls | grep tar | pastebinit [02:43] ScottK: that was impressive :) [02:43] ;-) [02:43] * vorian needs pastebinit [02:43] * ScottK has only recently started using it and is finding it very handy. [02:44] oh, we have batpaste! [02:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/106179/ [02:44] woot! [02:44] KDE4 is bloodly useless other than being, perhaps, "pretty". What in God's name were you thinking to force 4 on us in the state that it is in? I've been with kubuntu for a good while, but I need to go someplace where people are still providing the functionality in 3.5. Releasing 4 with no options is simply unacceptable. I *do* appreciate your efforts, but this is absurd. [02:44] fyi there is an option in system settings to configure notifcations on the application level [02:44] ScottK: if you have bat-tools, you have batpaste [02:45] Thanks for letting me get that off my chest, hopefully 4 will catch up someday and I can come back to kubuntu. [02:46] :o [02:47] Off to gnome or some other distro, sigh, cry... [02:48] seele: but not necessarily for plasmoids, afaik. for example, my weather plasmoid pops one up for every update [02:49] claydoh: ah.. yes, i think aaron blogged about how to configure that stuff [02:50] yay! kepas is fix0red [02:51] seele: not sure, but it still showed an 'old-style' poup [02:52] I just set my refresf time to something more sane than the 10 minutes i set it to :) [02:53] it should really even be using a popup.. weather information is like time. information on demand [02:53] *shouldnt [02:54] I am not 10 percent, that was this morning when I tried it out, and got a notification that I thought was the weather info download [03:00] vorian: The bat stuff is far too magical for me so far. [03:00] patpase is simple [03:00] batpaste, even [03:00] batpaste your.file [03:01] Same as pastebinit [03:04] vorian: With your "I want to do more server team stuff" hat on, want a security update to do? [03:04] sure [03:04] OK. I'll mail you some stuff. What address? [03:04] vorian@ubuntu.com [03:05] OK. Queuing it up now. [03:07] got it [03:08] or part [03:12] vorian: Should be 3. [03:12] Just sent the last. [03:12] alrighty [03:12] yep, have them all [03:12] * vorian gets busy [03:12] I'll catch the -backports releases via an updated backport. [03:12] * ScottK fixed Jaunty already. [03:18] vorian: Let me know if you have any questions. [03:18] I'm sure i will, i'm reading over the process now [03:27] OK. Great. [03:27] NCommander: Any chance you could look at kde4bindings FTBFS on Sparc (It built on armel, BTW) [03:28] Can you just check to make sure its not an ICE? [03:28] * NCommander is seeing if he can kick his MacBook PRO alive [03:29] NCommander: It didn't seem to be. It looked like some kind of unknown type error [03:29] link? [03:29] Getting [03:30] NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4bindings/4%3A4.1.96-0ubuntu1/+build/835052/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.kde4bindings_4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:31] seele: We may be a little late tomorrow. [03:31] $YOUNGEST has a birthday party to attend and the math doesn't quite work. [03:32] ScottK, this is a KDE4 release party? [03:32] NCommander: No. This is taking my teenage daughter to Linux Chicks. [03:32] Oh [03:32] * NCommander remembers seele saying something about that on her blog [03:32] Release party is in a week or two. [03:33] Ugh, I'd love to attend (and meet you in person) but I'll be in germany :-/ [03:33] We'll manage it at some point. [03:34] My wife left town for $WORK stuff for 6 weeks today, so I'll be due some time off from the kids when the next UDS comes around. [03:37] Does anyone else get a preview window when you hover over a link in Quassel? [03:37] Sk yes I do [03:37] I'm still trying to decide if it's really cool or really annoying. [03:37] ScottK: ^^ is for you [03:37] Yes. [03:38] Yeah, I'm undecided as well [03:39] ScottK: you need these from gutsy on, correct? [03:39] You can disable it in the preferences [03:39] vorian: The security issue that came with 2.8.1 only needs to go to Intrepid. It doesn't affect Gutsy/Hardy [03:40] ok [03:40] vorian: The other one is just Hardy/Intrepid. [03:40] The Guty version doesn't even have the functions in question. [03:40] Guty/Gutsy [03:41] there is one in gutsy backports [03:41] Yes, I'm working on testing 2.8.1 backports now. [03:42] Generally in backports unless there's a good reason not we do security stuff by just doing a new backport [03:42] ok [03:44] vorian: Actually now that I think about it, don't bother with Hardy. The crash issue has a workaround and so an SRU is probable excessive. [03:44] So just Intrepid. [03:44] alrighty [03:47] ScottK: no worries, we'll probably be there for several hours :) [03:47] Great. [03:51] [03:51] that was a control O [03:56] Any suggestions on how to get my mouse back (It's locked in place and won't move)? Keyboard (obviously) works fine. [04:00] did you restart x or trying to avoid that? [04:00] Trying to avoid that [04:00] Although since I'm still on Intrepid, at least ctrl-alt-backspace works. [04:01] * ScottK says what the heck and restarts it. [04:03] :-/ [04:05] Restarting X didn't do it either. [04:06] Rebooting that box now. [04:06] huh.. is it a usb mouse or a touchpad? [04:06] * ScottK-desktop is not a fan of 2.6.27 [04:06] Touchpad [04:06] hope reboot works [04:06] I choose to blame the kernel. [04:07] Yep. Coming back up working now. [04:10] It's funny, I'm reading headlines like "Washington visitors looking to be part of history" and thinking all of the people I've met that live in the area are just looking to avoid traffic. [04:16] yeah really [04:17] the grocery store was crazy today.. usually sunday is the busy day [04:19] I'm liking Konqueror as a web browser a lot more now that I switched the default font to 8 pt. [04:51] NCommander: kdebase-workspace FTBFS on armel due to your standard Qreal type problem. [04:51] -_-; [04:53] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3/+build/838024/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [05:16] vorian: You still up? [05:16] * ScottK blows the dust off his dapper pbuilder. [05:35] * ScottK heads to bed. Good night all. [05:37] OK. Not quite. [05:37] NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21301859/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.plasmoid-toggle-compositing_0.2.1-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is in Universe, but I'd appreciate it if you'd have a look at that one too (same type of failure). [05:39] ScottK-desktop, sure [05:40] Thanks. [05:41] NCommander: I kicked off retries on everything that didn't need kdebase or -workspace, so we should have a decent idea of where we stand tomorrow. [05:42] THanks ScottK [06:48] Riddell, EPING [10:16] ~twitter update I feel like an elephant slept on my head [10:16] status updated [10:16] lol [10:17] los would be preferred [12:42] TaskJugglerUI: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN6KParts16BrowserExtension10setURLArgsERKNS_7URLArgsE [12:43] I wonder how that is possible with a change that is not even related to any KPart [12:50] * apachelogger seriously hates kdelibs [12:52] the bug that in wont come in kde4.2 rc is still not fixed [12:52] !aptfix [12:52] If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » [13:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/106414/ guys still the same errors as last time [13:26] going see if there are updates [13:28] wesley: tried sudo apt-get install -f [13:29] i am refreshing apt so going try that, and hope i can comfirm this as fixed [13:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/106415/ same [13:32] afternoon folks, I'm trying to triage bug 307323 [13:32] Launchpad bug 307323 in kdepim "KMail's OpenGPG module fail because don't found "/usr/local/bin/chiasmus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307323 [13:32] this seems to be the same as kde bug 132515 [13:33] KDE bug 132515 in encryption ""Chiasmus support": File "/usr/local/bin/chiasmus" does not exist or is not executable" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132515 [13:33] is this something that needs to be fixed in our packages [13:33] wesley: though may I remind you support is in #kubuntu [13:33] or something that needs to be fixed upstream [13:35] jussi01 i am a tester [13:36] https://launchpad.net/~velroy1 [13:56] wtf is up with mplayerplug-in.. god damnit.. after every 8 release of 10 it experiences crashing problems after pressing "back" at a page that has media content.. i've even reported bugs.. and they've gotten fixed.. and then they're there again [13:56] how can that still be the norm of the embedded media player world [13:56] dont mind my frustration :p [14:00] and mplayerplug-in triggers kwin to go to 70% cpu usage almost every time [14:00] even after i close the media [14:04] o nice, found a bug report on launchpad where i can concentrate my anger on :D [14:06] whoa, new kdebluetooth4 === markey_ is now known as markey [14:07] hmm.. with 22 open and 21 unassigned bugs it's probably not a surprise why it crashes so often :p [14:10] yeah, it's incompatible with the latest bluetooth :P [14:10] you get a nice big crash [14:10] i was talking about mplayerplug-in :p [14:10] oh [14:10] or were you just thinking out loud? [14:11] nope, I thought you were talking about kdebluetooth since it has a similar amount of open/unassigned bugs [14:11] 22 isn't very many :) I'm looking at kdepim and it has 155 unassigned [14:11] well, that package had like 70 reported ever [14:11] heh [14:17] pfft.. turned off kwin compositing and now mplayerplug-in wont crash [14:17] and kwin wont go 70% cpu either [14:17] now how the hell am i going to debug that :p [14:17] JontheEchidna: you know cmake/buildsystems better than me, could you have a look at my question on bug 307323 back up there ^^ a bit [14:17] Launchpad bug 307323 in kdepim "KMail's OpenGPG module fail because don't found "/usr/local/bin/chiasmus" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/307323 [14:17] (about 50 minutes back) [15:07] Arby: why do you think this is a packaging issue? [15:07] or cmake related for that matter? [15:07] apachelogger: I don't know that is either, I'm just going off ingo's reference to 'the build' in the kde bug [15:08] to me that means either the kde build or the building of our packages [15:08] build in general I assume [15:08] probably that backend is crap or something [15:08] + the path is hardcoded ./libkleo/backends/chiasmus/config_data.c: { PATH "/usr/local/bin/chiasmus" }, /* in the absence of C99, we assume path is first in the union here */ [15:08] so the original issue needs to be addressed upstream anyway [15:09] apachelogger: ok that answers my question then [15:09] if it was our packages I was going to tackle it [15:09] now I can just add a bug watch and forget about it [15:09] yeah [15:09] what apachelogger said [15:09] :P [15:13] wah [15:13] I am so motu [15:13] * JontheEchidna so isn't yet :P [15:15] lol [15:15] true [15:17] !find logitechmouse.rules [15:17] Package/file logitechmouse.rules does not exist in intrepid [15:18] ohhh [15:18] btw [15:18] nice command [15:18] apparently hal as a pretty decent way of handling special buttons with non-standard key codes [15:22] http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kde3+khc.ogv [15:29] does anybody know what plug-in bug 296412 is on about? [15:29] Launchpad bug 296412 in kdepim "no other plugins available in korganizer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296412 [15:30] is this something that akonadi is supposed to handle now? [15:31] hm [15:31] Arby: maybe 4.1 had no plugin support? [15:31] Arby: anyway, since he seems to be out for the exchange plugin => support was dropped [15:32] like completely ... if he wants to have that thing return he better funds development [15:32] at least that is what the kdepim site suggested back in the days ;-) [15:32] apachelogger: I suppose that makes the bug invalid then [15:33] actually I think I just found the answer http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3740 [15:34] oh, akondi and it's abstraction goodness [15:34] akonadi++ [15:34] kinda [15:34] kdelibs with khelpcenter patch uploaded [15:34] lets hope it doesn't break ;-) [15:38] ~twitter update kdelibs (KDE 3) uploaded ... now I am waiting for the failed to build ;-) [15:38] status updated [15:41] Arby: you are not motu yet? [15:42] apachelogger: erm, no not even close :) [15:43] Arby: you are the new minion then [15:43] I'm probably missing a number of requirements [15:43] bug 289504 needs to be forwarded [15:43] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/289504/+text) [15:43] omg [15:44] like the fact that I rarely touch universe [15:44] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/289504 [15:44] Launchpad bug 289504 in kdebase-runtime "Desktop and trash KIO slaves report unkown size" [Low,Confirmed] [15:44] Arby: first triage then touching packages in naughty ways [15:44] and I haven't done enough packaging of new apps [15:44] inkscape pulls in 41 new packages! [15:44] \o/ [15:45] gnome-mount [15:45] and they complain about our deps being not dynamic enough [15:46] * smarter has inkscape and no gnome-mount [15:46] weird [15:46] try with --without-recommends? :P [15:46] Riddell: you rebroke koffice :P [15:46] conflicts with oxygen again [15:47] smarter: I didn't take that as valid argument for firefox, nor will I for inkscape [15:47] anyway [15:47] karbon \o/ [15:49] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot013.png [15:49] almost correct rendering ;-) [15:51] report bug :p [15:51] smarter: haha, aptitude wants to remove all my dev packages [15:51] what a biatch [15:51] why don't they use Qt stuff for rendering? [15:51] the might do... which is the problem [15:52] Qt's plain SVG rendering doesn't even get all of oxygen right [15:53] hmm [15:54] * smarter wonders why there isn't a libsvg shared by everybody instead of all these implementations which don't matter since everyone uses Inkscape in the end [15:56] *shrug* [15:56] I think SVG is a phony standard, just like HTML [15:57] everyone claims it's SVG while it is in fact not [15:57] SVG is cool [15:57] inkscape certainly has some stuff specific to itself [15:57] so [15:57] * smarter once made a part of an image blink for a certain amount of times with fade in/out just by adding two lines of svg :p [15:57] yyup [15:57] how do I make our shiny logo fit twitter [15:58] it's "inkscape svg" [15:58] it warns you if you try to save as plain svg [15:59] * smarter notes that finding what lines he should add and where took him more than an hour of search on the net, thanks to the lack of tutorial and unclear spec [16:00] * apachelogger always thought the idea of animated SVG was kinda cool [16:00] just imagine ... an SVG wallpaper of suse's gecko with rolling eyes [16:00] or constantly feeding on insects [16:00] hehe [16:01] suse could make loads of cool stuff with their mascot [16:01] <\sh> apachelogger: you are watching too much of this jungle camp on rtl,-> [16:01] and Qt rendered my animated stuff properly (: [16:01] \sh: sure, with mausi lugner it is bound to be interesting :P [16:02] smarter: if it only woud be as nice to key codes [16:02] that ugly thinny person? [16:02] *shrug* [16:02] I never actually saw her :P [16:02] <\sh> Sput: yepp [16:02] yeah, just listening to her is bad enough [16:02] <\sh> apachelogger: shiver [16:02] not that the other girls in the camp are much nicer to look at or listen too [16:02] smarter: Qt gets all kind of attacks when you try to make use of a key that it's hardcoded table doesn't support [16:03] my dell's lightbulb key would be one of them [16:03] <\sh> Sput: girls? you mean those renovated pieces of flesh? [16:03] haha [16:03] lightbulb key? [16:03] it gives you ideas? [16:03] \sh: yeah, exactly [16:04] gundis zambo was much more attractive 20 years ago when she was still on TV [16:04] <\sh> Sput: read my flex/red5 workshops and tell me if it's usable [16:04] <\sh> Sput: yeah...gundis was nice in the past... [16:04] in a past where even you were young.. [16:05] <\sh> Sput: grmpf [16:05] \sh: btw, how was your beer with the swedish guy? [16:05] I came back from Frankfurt at 2230 that day :/ [16:06] <\sh> Sput: cool...we had a nice chat about sysadmin stuff and some hardware related things... [16:18] Arby: I know at least one person who made core-dev and never did a new package from scratch. Don't feel you HAVE to. [16:20] ScottK: really, I find that quite surprising actually [16:20] still, nice to know [16:26] ScottK: that was back in the days :P [16:27] True, but I don't think it's a hard requirement. [16:27] I don't see "Didn't shove more unmaintained crap into the archive" as a reason to reject an app. [16:28] * ScottK starts to wonder if some CUPS fix broke his printing or if maybe the printer/scanner/fax is now just scanner/fax. [16:30] sudo aptitude install siggen && fsynth [16:30] that stuff is cool [16:30] screw aptitude :P [16:30]