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ubottuLaunchpad bug 315922 in linux "2.6.27-11 makes brightness not work" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:54
DanaGOkay, so that makes TWO laptops that now have broken brightness control with the latest kernel.00:54
DanaGI'd like to say, that's a rather big regression.00:58
fosco__jaunty has 2.6.28-3.4 kernel01:11
fosco__does it still hapening?01:11
hggdhfosco_, current kernel is 2.6.28-4.1001:28
hggdhpost alpha3 is 2.6.28-4.1101:28
fosco__so i need an upgrade :)01:28
Volkodavhow come evolution filters only work on folders and not subfolders ?01:38
DanaGBut anyway, yes, the .28 is broken just like the .26.01:46
* x1250 wonders how many bug reports are not being reported because of apport bug 31421202:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421202:09
ryanakcaCould someone provide me with some inspiration as to the source of my defective Jaunty (Kubuntu, current daily, alternative, i386) CD? The md5sums of the downloaded image and the server image match, and the md5sum of the local image and the burned image match according to k3b. I've tried burning it three times across two CDs, but it fails every time I put it through verify CD on its boot menu. Any ideas as to the source of the problem?02:24
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922 -- argh, it frustrates me that this is not getting any sort of response.02:45
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/315922/+text)02:45
x1250ryanakca, maybe you could try burning at a very low speed?02:46
charlie-tcaIs that the same as bug 314212 ?02:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421202:54
charlie-tcaNevermind, DanaG . I see the bot made a mistake02:56
x1250launchpad is really slow. They should fix that :/02:57
* charlie-tca nods in agreement02:58
x1250maybe the PPA's are slowing down the server? (compilation, etc)02:59
DanaGWhat I meant by "not any response" was that nobody had responded to my comments.03:00
x1250DanaG, I hadn't read your message :P03:03
CarlFKryanakca: boot the .iso in qemu, run the 'check disk'03:03
CarlFKif that fails, I bet the md5's are wrong03:04
DanaGThat bug really is rather irritating -- it means my battery life goes down the drain.03:09
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* kole finally hears and echo04:47
kolewow... big empty room04:48
DanaGugh, wtf.... I just randomly flipped through a bunch of windows.04:51
legodudeany mods in here?04:54
rwwlegodude: do you mean "mods" as in "channel operators"?04:55
legodudeactually, looking for someone for #kubuntu04:56
tritiumlegodude: what do you need?04:56
rwwlegodude: ask in #ubuntu-ops or, if it's an emergency, type "!ops" in the #kubuntu channel.04:56
koleif i upgrade to the alpha.... will it break my laptop?05:01
tritiumkole: see the topic05:01
koleit was a joke mate :P05:01
koleso when it actually goes to beta and i get it.... what will be some of the big improvements?05:04
rwwkole: new versions of GNOME, KDE, and other programs, as always. Developers are also working on decreasing boot times, and various other things.05:07
kolenew gnome.... hmmmm05:07
kolewhat about new packages.... i CRAVE open office 305:08
rwwOh, yeah, Jaunty has that too :)05:08
kolehows the new gnome look?05:09
kolegot any screenshots?05:09
rwwkole: the same as the old gnome ;)05:10
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922 -- big bug for me.05:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315922 in linux "2.6.27-11 makes brightness not work" [Undecided,Confirmed]05:11
tritiumkole: each release always has a new gnome05:11
kolewhats the diff between the new gnome and my old gnome?05:14
tritiumkole: gnome.org details that kind of thing05:17
DanaGThe new volume control sucks rather horribly, for one.05:24
rwwDanaG: Seconded. Damn thing had me thinking my sound was broken until I installed a better one >.>05:25
DanaGEvery time I boot, my onboard audio device's PCM slider is muted.05:25
VolkodavI do not like it neither05:33
Volkodavmine is muted every other time05:33
Volkodavis there a bug with skype posted yet ?05:34
DanaGThey say the new volume control "supersedes pavucontrol" -- I call it bull.05:35
DanaGCan you move streams to networked devices?  Nope.05:35
DanaGCan you move different apps to different devices?  Nope.05:35
DanaGCan you control per-channel volumes?  Nope.05:35
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lucentx1250: lol @ 314212, it's so horrible07:13
lucentx1250: I think it's ipv6 related07:13
hggdhbug 31421207:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421207:18
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ubottuLaunchpad bug 315922 in linux "2.6.27-11 makes brightness not work [2.6.28-4.10 also affected]" [Undecided,Confirmed]08:54
DanaGOh yay, another laptop this breaks.08:54
DanaGThat thing in brackets is my change to the title; I didn't want to significantly alter the original post.08:55
DanaGLooks like something is fundamentally broken.08:55
DanaGPleeeeeease take a look into this, anyone who is in a developer position!08:58
DanaG"risk of regressions" in the other bug report I linked to.....09:36
DanaGrisk?  Damn straight.  I count 3 of 3 laptops here that have brightness control broken by that patch.09:36
DanaGSome "fix" -- hah!09:37
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311716 -- they fixed this... and those broke all non-thinkpad laptops.  Lovely.09:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311716 in linux "The slider brightness Applet has value inverted after the last update (2.6.27-11)" [Medium,Fix committed]09:37
DanaGThat rather irritates me -- that, and the lack of response on the "brightness [entirely] broken" bug.09:38
DanaGNow, I'm not about to go raving mad about it, but I rather do feel like "mumbling and grumbling" about it.09:39
Alexia_DeathDanaG: debug it then?09:51
* Alexia_Death finds that the best way to fix a bug is to find out exactly what it is and then feed to developers.09:51
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naught101is it just me, or is it not possible to install amarok from the jaunty repos at the moment?10:21
DanaGDebug it?  Well, I know which marked changeset broke things.10:24
Alexia_Deathnaught101: installable for me... I cant install kmail tho10:27
user___wow, just killed a tightvncserver host instance and now cant start the gnome-console program10:30
naught101hrmm... maybe a medibuntu issue...10:32
user___why is sshd not started automatically after reboot?12:34
mnemouser___: exposing a minimal attack surface makes ubuntu more secure by default.. many people never use sshd... and it12:36
mnemo's easy to install12:36
user___mnemo: understandable, i have installed it manually though12:37
mnemoyeah me too, first thing I do on any ubuntu installation12:37
user___mnemo: but still the miminite attack vector thought holds validso to protect users who accidently installed openssh-server?12:38
mnemouser___: i think so... I mean just think about the ssh key generation bug last spring... many people who just use gnome games (and never sshd) or whatever they were never exposed to this bug... of course you can still install it but..12:40
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boris-i'm asking will ubuntu most certainly break my system in bad ways or will it be able to hold on with my comp for 3 months till it's released ?15:04
x1250boris-, who knows. No one sees the future :P15:07
boris-well is it really "in alpha" in terms of functionality or is it usable ?15:08
boris-can you install fglrx on it ?15:09
x1250boris-, you can't15:09
boris-are you using it ?15:09
x1250fglrx? nope.15:09
AmaranthThere is no fglrx for 2.6.28 ye?15:10
boris-what graphics card have you got ?15:10
boris-dont know, been on windoze for a long time15:10
AmaranthI've got Intel and nVidia15:11
x1250boris-, x1400 working with xserver-xorg-video-ati15:11
x1250boris-, I guess you'd better try intrepid. Jaunty may give you big headaches, really.15:11
boris-well it does have ext 415:13
charlie-tcaAmaranth: I don't think there is15:15
x1250boris-, check this bug15:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Triaged]15:15
boris-wont load15:18
boris-what does it say ?15:18
boris-ah loaded15:18
tgpraveen123so an yone here16:13
tgpraveen123using alpha 316:13
tgpraveen123does the notifications in that work as shown in the mockup video on mark's site16:14
tgpraveen123is it that good looking ? does it work wih empathy?16:14
x1250tgpraveen123, nope16:14
fosco__no, it works, but not so nice16:14
tgpraveen123x1250: :-( why what is the problem16:15
x1250tgpraveen123, notifications are not like that yet.16:15
tgpraveen123does it work with empathy?which all apps does it work with currently?16:15
fosco__http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rgO8m__aY7g/SXJH3xzoZMI/AAAAAAAABQk/wbot6Ak-Ec4/s1600-h/notificaciones_jaunty.jpg <- notifications look in alpha316:16
fosco__any app supporting libnotify will use it16:17
fosco__I still trying to activate nvidia restricted driver with no luck16:17
* charlie-tca did not know restricted drivers for ati and nvidia were supported already16:19
tgpraveen123fosco_ the restricted drivers are not supported16:19
tgpraveen123read the release notes16:20
fosco__yes I know it16:20
tgpraveen123nvidia team are working on it the whole new xserver is causing probs16:20
fosco__but there is a way, always :)16:20
fosco__just trying to find it16:20
x1250fosco__, try Option "IgnoreABI" "True" in Section "ServerFlags". Makes nvidia works.16:20
fosco__restarting, let's see16:21
tgpraveen123so ppl lets summarise what all new features we know are coming in 9.04 shall we16:22
tgpraveen123ext4 support faster bootup16:22
tgpraveen123new notifications16:22
tgpraveen123what else16:22
x1250tgpraveen123, new bugs16:22
tgpraveen123new sound settings menu16:23
x1250new versions for almost every package. I don't know what else. Try searchng launchpad.net or ubuntuforums.org16:23
tgpraveen123x1250: yeah ofcourse that is always part of the package ;-)16:23
tgpraveen123yeah oo3 finally in16:23
tgpraveen123anyne knws if empathy will be default client in 9.04?16:24
charlie-tcaXubuntu is trying to put xfce4.6 !16:24
x1250tgpraveen123, I don't think so16:24
tgpraveen123x1250: why do u say so?16:24
x1250tgpraveen123, because pidgin is far more mature, and has more features.16:25
tgpraveen123x1250: could u tell me what features pidgin has that empathy does not?16:26
x1250tgpraveen123, research for yourself.16:26
tgpraveen123well i think there are none so thats why asking for ur opinion16:27
tgpraveen123empathy currently has video/ voice support for jingle,sip,gtalk16:28
x1250tgpraveen123, if it is default or not, is not my call. Try opening a bug report, or post in the forums.16:30
charlie-tcaDoes empathy support evolution?16:30
tgpraveen123charlie-tca: support it in what way?16:35
tgpraveen123pls elaborate16:35
charlie-tcapidgin will interface with evolution data server and addres book16:36
charlie-tcaFor a distro that relies on evolution, that counts heavy16:36
tgpraveen123am not sure but i did rea about a blueprint in ubuntu-telepathy team that will use telepathy to do this very thing and its status was approved16:37
SwedeMikehm, so, I have a Thinkpad X200. Everything looks great with 9.04, apart from the fact that playback with mplayer is kind of jerky, which I didn't see with 8.10. This even while top doesn't show CPU being pegged (not even close). Any ideas? I'm having a hard time coming up with a good symptom description for this problem...17:24
SwedeMikeit's especially noticable when I do skipping with "arrow up" for instance17:25
SwedeMiketakes 1-2 seconds before video starts flowing again17:25
charlie-tcaI think it is reported as jerky video already17:26
hfsplusHey, I'm having an odd issue.  With NetworkManager, my wireless doesn't work at all in jaunty (ath9k driver), but with wicd, it works just fine.  Is this something I ought to file a bug on, or something of that sort?  I'm kind of clueless as to *why* this is, however.17:40
user___hfsplus: networkmanager seems to be broken generally. expect a package upgrade very soon17:45
user___i am using ifconfig instead of nm right now..17:45
hfsplususer___: ahh okay.  I have similar issues in 8.10 except my ath9k wireless doesn't work at *all*, so i'm basically stuck with 9.04 if I want to run ubuntu at all :)17:46
isaacuhm, just upgraded to jaunty and the computer hangs launching either kde or gnome, works fine with other wms such as blackbox17:57
isaaci'd say it's related to xrandr or something like that17:57
isaaci have an intel 945 graphics card17:57
isaacis it a known problem?17:57
crdlbyou could test that hypothesis by changing your resolution with xrandr while in blackbox18:00
isaacyeah, i was going to do that18:00
crdlbgnome and kde might both be starting a GL composite manager by default18:00
isaacyeah, i guess that might be the problem18:00
crdlbcompiz and kwin18:00
isaacinstead of the xrandr thing18:00
isaacgonna remove compiz-core and try again18:02
isaacit was definitely the composite thing18:05
isaacit works fine without compiz18:05
crdlbI think jaunty has some rather new intel stuff in now18:06
isaacyeah, i have been having a look and there are loads of reports about problems with intel cards18:07
isaacwell, i'll live without compiz for a while18:07
isaacuhm, launchpad seems dead18:08
ToHellWithGAisaac: it was taking forever earlier18:11
IenorandIs it possible to upgrade directly to 9.04 from 7.10 or would one have to go the long way round there??18:26
pwnguinIenorand: i think there's a few extra scripts on dist-upgrade you'd miss18:27
pwnguinthere's an LTS to LTS tool, but it wont help you ant18:27
Ienorandpwnguin: okay, so I'd need to go step-wise then...18:28
Ienorandpwnguin: By the way, could I ask you: Are gnome-bugs normally very slow to be confirmed? (I've got this enhancement bug/idea that's been lying unconfirmed since april 2008...)18:35
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)18:38
__dean__The cal program displays the week with Saturday as the first day instead of Sunday18:38
ubottuHi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots18:38
Ienorand__dean__: Ah, there should definitely be a setting somewhere for that... I don't have it in front of me atm, have you checked though preferences?18:40
__dean__Is it "Language Support"18:41
__dean__I only have English installed18:41
user_____dean__: have you enabled anything jewish? location, keyboard, etc?18:42
__dean__No, I have USA Central Time as location and dvorak keyboard18:43
hggdhuser___, on the Jewish calendar Saturday is the last day of the week18:45
hggdh__dean__, try running 'env LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 cal'18:47
hggdhset | grep LC18:47
hggdhdamn, wrong window18:47
__dean__That works18:48
hggdhnow run set | grep LC18:48
hggdhand pastebin the result18:49
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)18:49
hggdhheh. not much there ;-)18:50
hggdhplease run 'locale' & pastebin the result18:50
hggdhyes, this is it18:51
hggdhyour LANG is set as C18:51
__dean__Oh I found the bug report on debian's site18:51
ubottuDebian bug 327025 in locales "C locale has bad default for _NL_TIME_FIRST_WEEKDAY" [Normal,Closed]18:52
hggdhthis is old...18:54
hggdh__dean__, what Ubuntu version are you running?18:54
x1250you must be the only one :D18:54
__dean__sorry 9.0418:55
__dean__"Jaunty Jackalope"18:55
hggdhI can repeat it for LANG=C. Weird... regression?18:55
hggdh__dean__, can you please open a bug on launchpad for that?18:55
hggdh(or I can do it, if you do not feel confortable)18:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 318507 in ubuntu "Wrong first day of week for "C" locale" [Undecided,New]19:00
macohi guys19:13
macocan anyone reproduce the following?19:14
maco1. if a vpn connection fails in network manager, the NetworkManager service crashes19:14
maco2. hitting alt+f2 *both* opens a run dialog *and* goes to tty2 as if ctrl+alt+f2 had been hit19:14
hggdhmaco, I cannot reproduce (2); I cannot test (1), sorry19:15
x1250cannot confirm 2, can't test 1 also.19:16
macoi could do both twice :P19:18
Volkodavanybody has problem installing googleearth-package ?19:23
x1250just installed it, no problems here (didn't use it though)19:26
DanaGMy biggest bugs:19:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Incomplete]19:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315922 in linux "2.6.27-11 makes brightness not work [2.6.28-4.10 also affected]" [Undecided,Fix released]19:56
DanaGI am also using ext4 for root and for home, and I have auto-backup in place (one of thise things people know they should do, but often don't do).19:56
DanaGBackup drive is ext3.19:56
fosco__ext4 performance is amazing, hope it has no bugs19:58
DanaG(7:15:33 AM) x1250: boris-, check this bug19:59
DanaG(7:15:41 AM) x1250: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/31778119:59
DanaG(7:15:47 AM) ubottu: Launchpad bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Triaged]19:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317781 in linux "Ext4 data loss" [High,Triaged]19:59
DanaGJust make sure to have backups in place, at least of the most critical files.19:59
dmajnem2_where can I get the latest ubuntu iso?20:02
fosco__dmajnem2_: jaunty?20:03
dmajnem2_fosco__: does alpha 3 get updated packages?20:04
dmajnem2_I don't know the ubuntu release system, I am more familiar with the debian system20:05
dmajnem2_my goal is to find the closest thing to debian sid20:05
fosco__try intrepid20:05
dmajnem2_fosco__: isn't intrepid stable?20:06
fosco__intrepid = ubuntu 8.10 (stable)20:06
x1250I guess jaunty is a mix very much like sid + experimental20:06
dmajnem2_sid is the same thing as debian unstable20:06
fosco__jaunty = ubuntu 9.04 (develop)20:07
dmajnem2_sid is always the latest debian packages20:07
dmajnem2_so jaunty is the latest release20:07
fosco__jaunty is not released yet20:07
dmajnem2_fosco__: well, its alpha release20:07
x1250dmajnem2_, try jaunty, if you're used to sid, jaunty will not be much different, just a little more bumpy I guess.20:08
||cw2I just installed 8.10 in a vmware guest, then upgraded it to 9.04, once X loads I only gte a blank screen and can't switch to a text console.  booted it single user and installed ssh, I can ssh to it, no cpu or disk usage going on, X logs seem normal too20:31
x1250||cw2, tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?20:42
Melikanyone know why my sound is always muted when i restart my computer?20:55
Melikor at least anyone else experiencing something similiar?20:55
x1250kown bug, there is info about it on ubuntuforums.org and launchpad.net20:57
DanaGI'm getting the same thing -- PCM starts out muted.20:58
DanaGAnd the volume slider doesn't control the PCM slider!20:58
charlie-tcaMelik: bug in jaunty21:01
DanaG.... link?21:01
Melikmine the PCM and Master starts out muted21:02
Melikallright thanks guys21:02
x1250DanaG, there is some discussion in here (I don't know if it is the thread I remember looking at, don't know if the bug report is there either): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=104162221:03
charlie-tcaI don't know if it is filed, but it seems to common and often21:04
x1250IIRC it was, but I can't find it. It would be a very strange dream, if it was a dream :)21:05
Melikx1250, also i experience a dev error at start up21:07
Meliksomething like mknod failed for /dev/pktcdvd/control21:08
Melikknow anything about that?21:08
x1250Melik, no idea about that, sorry21:08
deannever mind21:27
x1250DanaG, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/31643021:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 316430 in alsa-utils "[Jaunty] Sound channels are muted after reboot" [Low,Fix committed]21:31
DanaGx1250: thanks.21:31
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||cw2reconfig didn't help21:37
||cw2nor hurt, i guess21:37
toresbeUpgrading to jaunty on my work machine completely hosed X.22:41
toresbenvidia doesn't work, nv doesn't work, not even vesa22:43
x1250toresbe, use sudo dpkg-reconfgure -phigh xserver-xorg, and retry. For problems, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log22:46
* scizzo- would have pointed to the testing site actually saying that there is a problem with those drivers.. :)22:52
fosco__x1250: finally i succeeded installing nvidia restricted drivers :)22:53
toresbex1250: I ended up having to powercycle the system. That worked.22:54
x1250scizzo-, what are you talking about?22:54
x1250fosco__, good :D22:54
fosco__now compiz is working great in my jaunty desktop22:55
scizzo-x1250: the problem with nvidia drivers in the xorg stuff22:55
zniavrefosco can i,ask wich drivers and how did you make ?22:55
fosco__zniavre: i've used nvidia-glx-18022:56
fosco__from repos22:56
x1250scizzo-, nvidia drivers do work, with some hand work.22:56
scizzo-x1250: well yes22:56
scizzo-o well22:56
zniavrewhen i try it want to uninstall all xorg stuff22:56
fosco__zniavre: that was with an early version, alpha3 works ok22:57
zniavremmm im with alpha3  i guess it's may be cause i hav to use 173.xx ?22:57
fosco__not sure, i've only tryed 18022:58
DanaGI'm using fglrx 8.543 with Intrepid X server.22:58
* x1250 is using x86-video-ati with 3D hardware acceleration. Do that nv! >:)22:59
* DanaG has RV635.23:00
fosco__the power of open source :)23:01
DanaGI just wish ATI had at least thought this way:23:01
DanaG"Oh hey, we haven't completed cleaning out the specs for 3D on R600, but here's how to at least put the thing in low-power mode so your battery life doesn't go to shit."23:02
jussi01!ohmy | DanaG23:02
ubottuDanaG: Please watch your language, attitude and topic to help keep this channel friendly and helpful. Remember, there are kids here!23:02
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment23:35
Skiessihow do I make ext3 partition ext4?23:59

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