[01:06] <LaserJock> calc: around? OO.o seems to freeze when I try to save files. Known thing?
[03:15] <calc> TheMuso: ping
[03:16] <calc> TheMuso: bug 298494 pablo mentioned 9.04 works with the OOo ppa but 8.10 won't for the sound issue, it sounds to me like its an issue with the sound stack if really true
[03:16] <calc> TheMuso: my sound is hosed in general though so its hard for me to test
[03:16]  * calc might should switch to 9.04 soon himself assuming the sound support is that much better ;-)
[03:49] <TheMuso> calc: How is your sound hosed?
[03:49] <TheMuso> calc: and I am subscribed to the bug so I will have a look on Monday.
[05:08] <calc> TheMuso: i just hear popping and clicking sounds
[05:08] <calc> TheMuso: i think it is probably a kernel issue but not completely certain, i haven't spent the time to look into it closely
[05:10] <calc> TheMuso: actually i may just need to log out and back in the test sound buttons fail even
[05:10]  * calc will have to look at it later
[05:17] <TheMuso> calc: ok
[05:48]  * calc notes that OOo 3.0 seems to fix a lot of bugs users have been reporting :)
[05:48] <calc> its making it a bit hard to find pet bugs ;-)
[07:22] <pwnguin> calc: if you want a pet bug
[07:23] <pwnguin> calc: the presenter mode feature in oo.org 3.0 is broke
[07:25] <pwnguin> calc: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Presenter_Screen
[11:23] <KingWilliam> Is there any way a java programmer can contribute to ubuntu???
[11:25] <KingWilliam> Not much activity here?
[11:25] <Nafallo> !weekend
[11:26] <KingWilliam> lol, ok then
[11:26] <fabio_mm> :)
[11:27] <fabio_mm> I've got the same question
[11:27] <KingWilliam> really?
[11:27] <KingWilliam> Also a java developer?
[11:27] <fabio_mm> but I'm a C \ c++ programmer
[11:27] <KingWilliam> ah ok
[11:27] <fabio_mm> I'm not so good with java
[11:27] <fabio_mm> :)
[11:28] <KingWilliam> c++ is often used in ubuntu isn't it?
[11:28] <fabio_mm> I think
[11:28] <KingWilliam> I'm not good witg c++ :P
[11:28] <fabio_mm> but I'm a noob in this channel
[11:28] <KingWilliam> I know the basics of C++ but no more :P
[11:28] <fabio_mm> :)
[11:28] <KingWilliam> lol, me too mate
[11:29] <KingWilliam> Have you used ubuntu for a long time?
[11:29] <fabio_mm> I've lunch... see you soon!
[11:29] <KingWilliam> ciao
[11:29] <fabio_mm> about 3 years
[11:29] <tseliot> you can either try to fix bugs in projects which use your languages of choice or start new projects (e.g. by looking at the requests in the ubuntu brainstorm)
[11:30] <tseliot> C++ is used in most KDE apps and GTKmm apps (e.g. Abiword)
[11:30] <tseliot> eclipse, netbeans, etc. are written in Java
[11:31] <tseliot> even small patches can help
[11:42] <tseliot> asac: about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/315889
[11:42] <tseliot> asac: does it help if you kill both gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-power-manager?
[11:42] <tseliot> I'm wondering if you're experiencing a different bug now
[12:14] <petski> I've subscribed ubuntu-sru for a certain bug (#276603) in launchpad. According to the procedure, I have to upload my package into -proposed, but I'm not allowed to. Is this mandatory? Does anyone know the average response time for ubuntu-sru?
[12:16] <pochu> petski: subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, they'll upload the package to -proposed for you.
[12:17] <pochu> the average response is usually less than a few days, IME
[12:19] <petski> thanks pochu
[14:12] <t0m> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me track something down in the printing system.
[14:12] <t0m> I am looking for what triggers ubuntu to install a new printer when it detects one
[14:12] <t0m> is it udev, hal, cups or something different?
[14:25] <asac> tseliot: let me try
[14:25] <tseliot> ok
[14:26] <asac> tseliot: unfortuntely it didnt changed performance ... i just dont have any theme anymore
[14:26] <tseliot> asac: does the mouse cursor moves by itself?
[14:27] <tseliot> s/moves/move
[14:27] <directhex> yay, /me has nvidia 180
[14:27] <asac> tseliot: no ... only if i move the mouse
[14:27] <asac> tseliot: what do you suspect?
[14:27] <tseliot> asac: ok, I thought it was another bug which I've just fixed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/307306
[14:28] <tseliot> it's a bug in both g-s-d and g-p-m
[14:28] <asac> tseliot: prob is that Xaa is responsive ... only EXA acts so bad
[14:29] <tseliot> ok
[14:29] <asac> which is why i filed against driver in first place
[14:30] <tseliot> but it was fixed at a certain point
[14:30] <tseliot> a kernel change perhaps
[14:31] <asac> tseliot: well. it first appeared when we switched to latest xorg ... which switches from Xaa to EXA for ati by default
[14:32] <asac> could be kernel
[14:32] <asac> or xorg driver
[14:33] <tseliot> if performance is so terrible we could write a patch to use Xaa by default; bryce should know what's happening with exa
[14:34] <asac> tseliot: right ... thats what i suggested in the bug. i just would like to first get an upstream opinion before we patch EXA for this card out
[14:35] <tseliot> wise decision
[14:37] <tjaalton> tseliot: the default is XAA, it was patched to use EXA
[14:38] <tseliot> tjaalton: ah, I thought they had switched to EXA already
[14:38] <tjaalton> only intel has
[14:38] <tseliot> it would only be a matter of removing one patch then
[14:38] <tseliot> even better
[14:38] <tjaalton> better to upstream it and fix the bug :)
[14:38] <asac> tseliot: also its not really that everything is really slow. for instance, scrolling in firefox seems even to be faster. however, gnome-terminal is unusable and other apps as well. maybe i should keep using it to get a better idea which operation actually slows down like this.
[14:38] <asac> gibber is really slow scrolling (maybe transparency?)
[14:38] <asac> gwibber
[14:39]  * asac restarts gnome-settings-daemon :)
[14:39] <tjaalton> asac: do you have an account on bugs.fd.o?
[14:39] <asac> most likely. if not i wil create one ;)
[14:40] <tjaalton> asac: cool, so please file a bug against xorg/ati and link to the lp bug :)
[14:40] <tseliot> tjaalton: won't upstream switch to UXA or whatever it's called?
[14:40] <tjaalton> upstream is responsive, and knows what to debug
[14:40] <tjaalton> tseliot: UXA is intel specific, and what they are experimenting with it will be merged back to EXA
[14:41] <tseliot> ah, ok, so it will still be EXA
[14:55]  * sukiminna says is anybody here..?
[15:04] <spitfire_> In ubuntu intrepid, gksu "window" is transparent. How did it change since hardy, and what do I need to have it in hh?
[15:04] <spitfire_> Is it compiz plugin?
[15:04] <spitfire_> or murrine rgba?
[15:04] <Amaranth> spitfire_:That's all gksu
[15:05] <spitfire_> Amaranth: I've backported gksu, nothing changed...
[15:05] <spitfire_> It looks like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/SpitAndPolish
[15:05] <spitfire_> so I thought there is something more.
[15:06] <spitfire_> Amaranth: are you sure?
[15:06] <Amaranth> spitfire_: Yes, did you backport libgksu as well?
[15:06] <spitfire_> Amaranth: libgksu?
[15:07] <spitfire_> ok
[15:07] <spitfire_> I'll try
[15:07] <Amaranth> That's the library where I made the original "give gksu more bling" changes, I suppose that's where they would have made further changes as well
[15:08] <spitfire_> Amaranth: thanks;)
[15:19] <spitfire_> Amaranth: same applies to gnome-session's logout-dialog?
[15:19] <Amaranth> yeah
[15:19] <spitfire_> what package do I need to rebuild?
[15:20] <spitfire_> gnome-session?
[15:21] <spitfire_> Amaranth: ^^
[15:21] <spitfire_> ?
[15:21] <Amaranth> I can never remember if that's in gnome-session or gnome-panel
[15:22] <Amaranth> Either way backporting it is going to be somewhat painful
[15:23] <spitfire_> Amaranth: why?
[15:23] <spitfire_> I already have intrepid's glib/cairo/pango/gtk+
[15:23] <Amaranth> gnome-panel has other dependencies, gnome-session was a rewrite that works completely differently
[15:23] <spitfire_> oh.
[15:23] <spitfire_> I see
[15:24] <spitfire_> looks like I'm gonna backport gnome 2.24:P
[15:24] <Amaranth> also the dialog you see on the wiki isn't even there in jaunty
[15:24] <spitfire_> Amaranth: I know.
[15:24] <spitfire_> Only gksu is.
[15:25] <spitfire_> Amaranth: how do i change shutdown dialog in intrpid to this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/spit-and-polish/small_logout-mockup.png
[15:25] <spitfire_> ?
[15:26] <spitfire_> Is it switchble somewhere via GConf?
[15:26] <Amaranth> no, that's the default ubuntu shutdown dialog
[15:27] <spitfire_> Amaranth: so I can't change it?
[15:27] <spitfire_> Cause I like the one in hardy (one on the picture)
[15:28] <Amaranth> err, I kind of skipped intrepid, maybe I'm missing something here
[15:28] <Amaranth> the translucent one is the default in intrepid, no?
[15:28] <spitfire_> Amaranth: I can't use intrepid on my laptop because of intel video driver implementation
[15:28] <spitfire_> It's incomplete.
[15:29] <spitfire_> And Intrepid has that incomplete implementaton.
[15:29] <spitfire_> It looks like jaunty will be no better:/
[15:29] <spitfire_> Amaranth: gksu works;)
[15:29] <spitfire_> Thanks
[16:19] <alex-weej> anyone know any major bugs about S3 suspend not working in 9.04?
[16:19] <alex-weej> i've never managed to make it wake up
[16:54] <jharr> I need help with some parts of a debootstrap environment. Is there a better channel for that?
[18:08] <maxb> jharr: I think #ubuntu-motu is the standard "learning how to do ubuntu packaging tasks" channel
[19:14] <dthommas> Hello Friends ... I want to make a linux installer CD with my custom kernel build . Can somebody help me out  onto this ? I dont know how to make it .
[19:43] <cjwatson> jharr: what parts?
[21:26] <CaptainMorgan> howdy... is there any chance we could put a rush on Amarok 2 being placed into the repos? for some reason, it's a real biatch to install from source... cheers
[21:30]  * Nafallo wonders why we have a user administration tool where we can't disable users...
[21:36] <jpds> Nafallo++.
[21:41] <afflux> is anyone able to use apport to submit crash reports in jaunty? Several people, including myself, have issues with "<urlopen error The write operation timed out>". see bug 314212.
[23:47] <RAOF> /join #ubuntu-x,#nouveau,#gnome-do
[23:50] <directhex> INNER JOIN?
[23:51] <RAOF> Empathy's IRC support is non-standard :/
[23:53] <directhex> use smuxi!
[23:53] <RAOF> Finish the gnome-desktop-sharp2 transition, and I totally will.
[23:53] <RAOF> Well, I'm also just testing stuff.
[23:54] <directhex> slomo made more changes to that today
[23:54] <RAOF> Yeah, I noticed.
[23:54] <directhex> which is apprently still not correct, according to meebey
[23:54] <RAOF> Syncing the new version will mean that Tomboy will build again!
[23:55] <RAOF> Oh.  Well, the new upstream version _still_ means that tomboy will build again.