JontheEchidnakubotu: my soul00:02
JontheEchidnakubotu: chat about my soul00:02
kubotumy soul and my servers are so heavily guilt riden at the video I can upload00:02
torkianohello all, seems that there is a solution for bluetooth support: see last comments in http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17226700:07
ubottuKDE bug 172267 in general "KDE bluetooth tray applet doesn't appear" [Crash,New]00:07
JontheEchidnayeah, I'm planning on updating kdebluetooth for Jaunty00:10
JontheEchidnawhich will also be easily backported to the KDE 4.2 ppa without all the red tape of an SRU00:11
torkianoI think that is the only major bug intrepid has00:13
JontheEchidnaaside from knetworkmanager being total crap00:14
torkianoyes, maybe ;-)00:16
JontheEchidnameh, need patches for solid-bluetooth00:17
torkianobut I believe that jaunty will be a great release: kpackage, webkitkde, kbluetooth, KDE 4.2 ... only miss a VoIP solution :-(00:18
JontheEchidnahopefully webkitkde00:19
JontheEchidnaI remember that webkitkde was even being considered as early as the hard betas ;-)00:19
torkianoI t've tried it and is not for mass use00:21
torkianobut with Qt 4.5 maybe00:21
JontheEchidnaugh, so can anybody help me out here?00:26
JontheEchidnaI'm trying to install mysql-server-5.0 after I uninstalled 5.100:27
JontheEchidnaUnpacking mysql-server-5.0 (from .../mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...00:27
JontheEchidnaAborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0.00:27
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jjesse-dell9hrmm trying out quassel, seems more difficult to setup then konverstation01:07
LaserJockjjesse-dell9: yeah, for sure01:14
jjesse-dell9trying to figure it out01:16
jjesse-dell9one of the things i liked in konverstaion was the on screen notifications as most of the time i dont have my irc window open on top01:16
jjesse-dell9looks like quassel can do the same01:16
* claydoh is thining of doing a how-to to set up quassel, but yeah it's not (yet) all that intuitive01:22
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* claydoh kind of figured it out after blindly stabbing at things, and still doesn't understand why he has 2 chat windows, or how to turn the extra one off01:23
jjesse-dell9i have it running, dont know if i like it or not :)01:27
jjesse-dell9hrmm is thera quassell doc?01:28
claydohits useable01:28
jjesse-dell9dont see an entry for help - manual01:28
claydohjjesse-dell9: not really, and their online docs are just starting out, quite bare01:29
jjesse-dell9seems a shame to drop something like konverstation though, i enjoy it a lot better as a program01:29
* claydoh wonders if anyone is working on the kopete irc plugin01:29
jjesse-dell9but i understand why to drop it01:29
jjesse-dell9a kopete plugin would be nice one utility for all messaging/chat01:30
claydohif only I could code .....01:31
jjesse-dell9me 201:32
claydohkmymoney2 will be kde3 for a while, too :(01:32
jjesse-dell9hrmm notifications for quassel not working correctly for some reason01:41
jjesse-dell9wow i just did a 5-a-day havent done one of those in a long long time02:24
astrommeare notifications not working for you? they are for me02:47
astrommemeh, ^^ was for jjesse-dell902:47
* ScottK waves to seele from home.03:11
ScottKastromme: IIRC you have to have focus stealing prevention to None to get the quassel notifications.03:12
astrommeScottK: Don't they show up in plasma though? thats what mine do.03:22
ScottKI'm on 4.1.  4.2 may be different.03:22
astrommeScottK: Oh, that's true, I'm on 4.2 with jaunty03:22
freeflying_astromme: when you press the Restart from kickoff in kde-4.2, what will happen?03:24
ScottKI think we want something like this if we don't have it: http://blog.ratonred.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/service-manager.png03:25
astrommefreeflying_: It brings the restart dialog up?03:25
astrommeScottK: We do have something similar in SystemSettings? oh, that's for non-kde stuff03:25
astrommeSo how does he handle permissions?03:25
freeflying_astromme: can it really restart?03:25
astrommefreeflying_: Yeah, it restarts my computer iirc03:26
astrommefreeflying_: what happens with you?03:26
ScottKastromme: I haven't looked at the code yet.03:26
freeflying_astromme: its logout here03:26
astrommefreeflying_: Trying on my laptop, let me see03:27
freeflying_astromme: thanks03:27
astrommefreeflying_: It seems to be restarting for me.03:28
freeflying_astromme: then its a problem of mine, thanks for confirm03:29
* seele is finally home05:00
seeleScottK: i forgot my house keys!05:00
seeleScottK: i got a book from B&N and went to a diner until Justin got back from his buddy's place (they were watching the game)05:01
ScottKOh my.05:01
seeleoh fucking )@(#$*&#@)(*$#@()$*05:02
seelei lost my calendar05:02
seelestupid fucking akonodi05:02
nixternalmy ears!!!05:03
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^05:03
seeleshit.. that is really really inconvenient05:04
* seele shuffles through the past month worth of mails recreating her work calendar05:04
* ScottK looks around and suggests a plasmoid-akonadi-backup would be a good thing if we had.05:17
ScottKseele: As requested: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/kubuntu_evangelism_for_all_age.html05:17
ScottKGood night all.05:19
seeleScottK: nice.  have a good night05:23
Tonio_hi there10:14
Riddellhi Tonio_10:16
RiddellTonio_: going to upload kpackagekit?10:20
Tonio_Riddell: yep, today, in a couple of minutes10:58
Tonio_Riddell: still rereading this time, along with a polishing on the new knetworkmanager packages10:58
Riddellnew knetworkmanager?  KDE 3 or 4 version?10:58
jussi01Tonio_: how are they coming along?10:59
jussi01Riddell: the plasmoid - we were playing the other day with it.10:59
Tonio_Riddell: kde4 version11:07
Tonio_Riddell: works like a charm since major update 3 days ago11:08
Tonio_Riddell: te point is how to package this ?11:08
Tonio_Riddell: should I name the packages knetworkmanager ?11:08
Nightrosedoes someone feel like backporting the latest quassel to intrepid experimental?11:08
Tonio_as we did before ?11:08
RiddellTonio_: plasmoid-network-manager would follow the pattern11:08
Riddellsebas: FYI ^^11:09
Tonio_yup, and the replaces and provides the old ones right ?11:09
Tonio_Riddell: even the openvpn plugin seems to work decently :)11:10
RiddellTonio_: replaces only if it overlaps files11:10
jussi01Tonio_: Im having a few issues with it - cant get it to connect properly. do you quit the kde3 version before adding the plasmoid? did you do anything else to ge it working?11:11
Tonio_Riddell: it won't overlap11:13
Tonio_Riddell: maybe we can just have both in the repos atm...11:13
Tonio_Riddell: is that better option for you ?11:13
Riddellyes, I'd prefer that11:14
Tonio_Riddell: you can review plasmoid-network-manager in a couple of minutes... now performing policykit and kpackagekit with the required fixes...11:27
Tonio_Riddell: libpackagekit and kpackagekit uploaded11:38
Tonio_Riddell: now processing policykit11:38
jussi01Tonio_: you are in super form today :D11:39
Tonio_jussi01 yup :)11:47
Tonio_Riddell: policykit-ke uploaded, this time all files licences are mentionned in the copyright, the copying file is in there, lintian is happy on both source and debs...11:47
Riddellno plasmoid-network-manager in New11:49
Tonio_Riddell: yep I didn't upload it, I want it reviewed in the first place11:49
Tonio_Riddell: may I upload and you review in NEW directly ?11:49
Tonio_Riddell: I'm just testing a build removing the linked .so files to make lintian happy on the deb file and that's okay, I'll upload then11:50
Tonio_Riddell: once everything is in the repos, I'll finish the k3B package, which is a little more complicated :)11:50
Riddellrevu is best if nobody else has seen it yet11:51
Riddellhave you got k3b to do anything?11:51
Tonio_Riddell: I've been able to burn an iso file with it...11:51
Tonio_Riddell: I need to perform a lot of tests btw11:51
Tonio_Riddell: the thing is that I can't upload on revu for some reason...11:52
Tonio_Riddell: I tried to upload on revu.... we'll see if it happens, I'll ping you for revuing then...11:56
Tonio_Riddell: you should have libpackagekit-qt, kpackagekit and policykit-kde in NEW now11:56
Tonio_adn reviewer for this please ? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-network-manager12:00
RiddellTonio_: plasmoid-network-manager package looks fine, but I can't get it to connect to a network12:53
Tonio_Riddell: ah.... works for me12:56
Tonio_Riddell: what kind of security do you use ?12:57
Tonio_Riddell: I use wpa2/psk12:57
Tonio_Riddell: works like a charm on my side...12:57
Tonio_Riddell: in any case we can approve this in universe and let people test to give feedback12:57
Tonio_Riddell: I'll upload regular svn snapshots as I did in the past on the kdebluetooth stuff...12:58
Tonio_Riddell: are you okay on this rationale ?12:58
delicowaplease can anyone point me to a site where i can download qt4 or qt3 tutorial in pdf format (search google [and still seraching])12:58
Tonio_jussi01_: I don't have the kde3 version installed at all fyi12:58
Tonio_jussi01_: aren't you using wpa/psk ?12:59
delicowaoooops * i meant searching not seraching12:59
Tonio_then maybe only wep and wpa2 do work at the moment...12:59
Tonio_Riddell: kdebluetooth seems to be fixed against kde4.2, I'm updating the package and perform tests.... if that's okay, I'll upload13:04
Tonio_Riddell: did you reboot or restart kde in the first place for networkmanager ? it happened to me that I had to restart kde for it to work (pobably due to some kded thing, I didn't look at that point)13:05
delicowaplease can anyone point me to a site where i can download qt4 or qt3 tutorial in pdf format (search google [and still searching])13:06
Tonio_Riddell: kdebluetooth will have to wait for stable kde4.2 to be released due to changes in solid13:11
Tm_TTonio_: but I have patch for 4.113:11
Riddellok, let me reboot13:11
Riddelldelicowa: I don't know of any Qt tutorials in PDF but try doc.trolltech.com13:11
Riddellalso techbase.kde.org13:12
JontheEchidnaTonio_: see kubuntu-devel mailing list for details on getting the patches13:15
JontheEchidnathe guy who fixed kdebluetooth is offering to give patch sets for both 4.1 and 4.2 to interested parties/distros13:15
delicowathanks riddell13:20
Tm_TJontheEchidna: I already have the patch for 4.1 (:13:23
* JontheEchidna wonders how you managed that13:23
Tm_Twell, I was helping tpatzig to get it ready for release13:23
Tm_TI just don't have time to package stuff13:24
Tm_Tbusy with school and family13:24
Riddellrebooted, still can't get n-m plasmoid to work13:50
mok0Tm_T: School and family? What kind of excuse is that? :-P13:53
Tm_Tmok0: excuse to get my 9 weeks old babye fed13:54
mok0Tm_T: are you the mother?13:54
Riddellwas going to say13:54
ScottKTm_T: Could I have the 4.1 patch and I'll see about adding it to the pending 4.1.4 SRU?13:58
Tm_Tmok0: I am, for apacheloggers father atleast13:58
Tm_TScottK: yes, mail?13:58
Tm_Tmok0: Riddell our baby doesn't eat milk, allergy13:58
ScottKubuntu at kitterman dot com13:58
Tm_TScottK: roger, coming your way13:58
mok0Tm_T: ah sorry to hear that13:58
ScottKTm_T: ^^ Riddell and apachelogger: I'll take care of Intrepid.13:59
Nightrosemorning ScottK :)13:59
ScottKMorning Nightrose.  I got your invite.13:59
NightroseScottK: do you have time to backport your intrepid quassel package to the experimanetal ppa for intrepid?13:59
Nightrosemy friend upgraded the quassel core...14:00
Nightrosewithout asking me first14:00
Tm_TNightrose: =)14:00
LureRiddell: system-config-printer-kde is really cool - is this planned to go in KCM?14:01
NightroseTm_T: how's the baby doing? :)14:01
Tm_TNightrose: fine thanks, after this milk allergy was located14:01
ScottKNightrose: There's a version in my PPA (but it's not built again 4.2 - dunno if that'd be a problem).14:01
Tm_TNightrose: much less pain for her14:01
NightroseScottK: thanks I'll check it :)14:02
NightroseTm_T: ah good14:02
NightroseSput: is it a problem if i use a quassel that wasn't build against 4.2 in 4.2?14:04
SputNightrose: we depend only on kdelibs, and I don't think we use any 4.2 features14:04
Sputso it should work14:04
Sputif KDE didn't break BIC :)14:04
RiddellTm_T: goodness, what does she eat?14:06
RiddellLure: yes that's the plan14:06
Tm_TRiddell: astronaut food, milk proteines chopped down14:06
Tm_TScottK: sent14:07
ScottKTm_T: Thanks.14:08
Tm_TScottK: thank you, son (:14:08
ScottKSon?  IIRC that would require time travel.14:09
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Tm_TScottK: ah, grandson14:11
LureRiddell: great, I really like the autodetection that it provides (both for local as well as network printers)14:11
* ScottK is still on the first cup of coffee, so I'm sure what Tm_T is saying will make more sense later.14:11
ScottKWho's doing the kdebluetooth update?14:12
Tm_TScottK: well according to my CV, I was born in 189514:12
RiddellScottK: "Could I have the 4.1 patch" this would suggest you are?14:15
RiddellScottK: Tonio_ was just looking into it for 4.214:15
ScottKRiddell: Since I'm doing the SRU, I need to wait for Jaunty.14:15
ScottKOnce it's in Jaunty, I'll get them into Intrepid.14:16
RiddellScottK: I wouldn't think that's an issue, jaunty will happen with the normal KDE updates14:16
ScottKRight, I wasn't going to wait on the KDE changes.  I was more interesting it letting kdebluetooth get uploaded to Jaunty first.14:17
NightroseScottK: thanks - package seems to work \o/14:18
Nightrosenow to test if notifications work14:18
Nightrosecan someone highlight me please?14:18
ScottKNightrose: Glad it worked14:18
Nightrosenope :(14:18
ScottKNightrose: There is no notification if quassel is in focus.14:18
RiddellScottK: oh, I see14:18
NightroseScottK: yea - it wasn't focused :(14:19
NightroseScottK: didn't work with neon quassel either14:19
ScottKNightrose: Turn off focus stealing prevention.14:19
RiddellScottK: well can't happen yet 13:11 < Tonio_> Riddell: kdebluetooth will have to wait for stable kde4.2 to be released due to changes in solid14:19
Nightroseok will try14:19
Nightroseok another try please?14:19
ScottKRiddell: Catch 22.  We should just upload kdebluetooth now.  It won't get any more broken14:20
ScottKNightrose: Hi14:20
Nightrosestill nothing :(14:20
ScottKjussi01_ was getting notifications on 4.2 the other day.14:20
RiddellTonio_: ^^14:27
Nightrosenotifications work!14:37
* Nightrose bounces14:37
NightroseScottK: a reboot was needed14:37
Nightrosedon't ask me why14:38
SputNightrose: probably a dbus restart, as I suspected a few hours ago :)14:38
Sputdbus is a strange beast... still haven't wrapped my mind around it fully14:39
ScottKSput: There was a message sent to ubuntu-devel (or maybe discuss today) about dbus integration in Ubuntu.  I'd appreciate it if you'd have a look and make sure you're doing stuff 'right'.14:40
SputScottK: what is the preferred location for config files to be stored? ~/.myapp or ~/.config/myapp.org/myapp/?14:40
* ScottK looks at Riddell to answer ^^14:40
Sputthe latter is XDG, but we tend to receive a lot of user questions about that14:40
RiddellSput: ~/.config/myapp.org/myapp/ is nicer14:40
RiddellKDE apps in ~/.kde of course14:41
Sputwell yeah14:41
* ScottK has to run out and retrieve a child from a sleepover.14:41
SputI still wonder if quassel with KDE integration should store everything in .kde... would cause trouble for people switching the Qt and the KDE version... humm14:41
Sput*between the14:42
RiddellSput: I think the only disadvantage to using ~/.config/foo would be kiosk config lockdown wouldn't work14:47
SputRiddell: yeah, we don't use that anyway... and it would save trouble with people switching between versions, and avoid inconsistencies, so I probably go that route14:48
Sputbut XDG is preferred nowadays? all apps I've seen using that so far have been Qt apps (since QSettings default to that location), and users don't tend to know about that, so I wasn't sure14:49
RiddellXDG is preferred if there's no reason not to, but no point changing all the apps which use something else14:50
Riddell_Sime: poke14:50
Riddell_Sime: you're on the wiki as needing a room for FOSDEM, did you book something already?14:50
RiddellTonio_: libpackagekit-qt needs quick fix and re-upload14:58
NCommanderapachelogger, Riddell, or ScottK, ping?15:16
RiddellNCommander: hola15:25
NCommanderRiddell, I'm committing a fix for kdebase-workspace now.15:25
RiddellNCommander: and you want me to upload?15:25
NCommanderRiddell, after it finishes building in a PPA15:26
NCommanderIts the same patches I used in .85; they got left out of the merge15:26
NCommanderyeah, i already built on ARM, just need to make sure its happy on intel arches :-)15:27
Tonio_ScottK what about kdeblutooth ?15:33
Tonio_ScottK I've been attempting to build, but some classes are missing in Solid...15:33
JontheEchidnaok, I have the solid-bluetooth diffs for 4.1 and 4.215:37
JontheEchidnabut the email was rejected from the list15:38
Riddellwhat for?15:38
JontheEchidnathe guy who sent it wasn't allowed to post so it was autorejected15:38
JontheEchidnaI'll forward them to the list15:39
seelewhat week is a good time for the next kubuntu meeting?15:39
seelethere are probably some things to talk about before feature freeze.. things on my list include kpackagekit and verifying that we are including quassel15:39
RiddellI'm at the sprint week after next15:40
seeleok.. so before or after the sprint?15:40
seeleafter the spring is the week before feature freeze, correct?15:40
Riddelllets try for next week15:41
seeleweek of the 25th?15:41
* seele sets up a doodle15:42
Riddellbut not the 25th, that's Burns Nicht15:42
JontheEchidnaRiddell: could you approve my email to the list? It's in moderation queue due to the attachment size15:43
JontheEchidnaSo did anybody want to patch it or am I free to volunteer to fix it for jaunty?15:46
Riddellfight it out with ScottK and Tonio_15:46
JontheEchidnaTonio_: ^^15:47
Riddellthat's some big patches15:47
Tonio_Riddell: /tmp/buildd/kdebluetooth-0.2+svn913446/src/agent/agent.cpp:75: error: 'class Solid::Control::BluetoothInterface' has no member named 'findBluetoothRemoteDeviceUBI'15:48
Tonio_here is the kind of issues I'm getting in kdebluetooth :)15:48
Tm_TTonio_: why not 0.3 ?15:48
RiddellTonio_: mm hmm, well JontheEchidna just posted patches15:48
Tonio_Tm_T: naming isn't the debate :)15:48
Tm_TTonio_: ah, roger15:48
Tonio_Riddell: well we can patch the current one for it to work15:48
Riddelland JontheEchidna's patches do include findBluetoothRemoteDeviceUBI15:48
JontheEchidnaTonio_: patches for solid-bluetooth required for kdebluetooth 0.3 are in the mailing list15:49
Tonio_or wait for the code to be fully fixed upstream for 4.2, which will happen, and update then15:49
Tonio_I don't see the point in patching for something to work *temporary* during a dev cycle...15:49
Tonio_my 2 cents :)15:49
RiddellI don't see the point in waiting15:49
Tm_TTonio_: hmm, 4.2 is fine, in svn that is15:49
Tm_TRiddell: agreed15:49
JontheEchidnait'd be good testing for an SRU anyway15:50
Tonio_Tm_T: fine ? does the build work for you ?15:50
Tm_TTonio_: does15:50
Tonio_Tm_T: HU ????????15:50
Tm_TTonio_: and does in trunk too15:50
* Tm_T is on trunk atm15:50
Tonio_Tm_T: can't happen... I'm up to date, fresh svn and it won't work for me...15:50
Tm_TTonio_: weirdoh, ask from tpatzig did he backport it to 4.215:51
Tonio_Tm_T: that's fresh svn building...15:51
Tm_TTonio_: and/or if it does require patch, maybe I did something I don't remember15:51
Tonio_is the trunk 4.3 already ?15:51
Tonio_maybe that's my problem :)15:51
JontheEchidnayeah, trunk is 4.3 :-)15:51
Tm_Ttrunk definately is 4.315:51
Tonio_I missed that point :)15:52
Tonio_my bad, sorry guys15:52
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Tonio_Tm_T: where would it be then ?15:54
Tonio_there's no playground or extragear in 4.2 :)15:54
Tonio_was backported on kde-apps..... shame on me...15:55
* Tonio_ hides15:55
Tonio_I really have problems multitasking my life nowadays.....15:55
Tonio_Riddell: libpackagekit soname fixed and uploaded15:57
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Tonio_ScottK, Tm_T, any package ready out there for kdebluetooth or should I package 0.3 ?15:58
Riddell...you'll need to patch kdebase-workspace first...15:58
JontheEchidnaThere is a kdebluetooth package in existence15:58
JontheEchidnait's at 0.2 current15:59
Tm_TTonio_: I haven't made any packages15:59
Tm_TTonio_: nor have possibility, sowwy15:59
Tonio_Riddell: I can see that.16:02
Tonio_Riddell: you prefer to patch kdebase-workspace, and then drop the patch when stable is out, instead of just waiting ?16:02
RiddellTonio_: yes, that way we don't have to wait, and we can get the SRU in16:02
Tonio_let's patch this then ;)16:05
RiddellTonio_: remember to use bzr16:06
Tonio_Riddell: yep16:06
Tonio_Riddell: my 2 cents, but releasing a SRU with an unreleased software.... looks strange to me...16:10
Riddellit can't become more broken16:12
Tonio_on the other side, that's true, but well...pushing hudge svn diff patches in jaunty for a SRU of an unreleased software for intrepid....16:13
Tonio_Riddell: looks like weird process to me ;)16:13
Tonio_anyway I'm doing this16:13
Riddellif it works, seems like that sensible thing to do16:13
Tonio_Riddell: good point :) that's why I don't like doing SRUs :)16:14
Tonio_Riddell: I like to have to wait for something to be released instead of having the user's giving me pressure :)16:15
Tonio_ScottK I hope to have jaunty packages for you toonight if that works...16:15
RiddellTonio_: are you going to FOSDEM?16:15
Tonio_Riddell: probably16:15
RiddellTonio_: got any accommodation in mind?16:16
Tonio_Riddell: that's unsure atm, but I'm on the list of people meant to be there16:16
Tonio_Riddell: well if I'm going there, my company's paying for everything.... I don't know for the hotel and so on...16:16
Tonio_Riddell: but if you're interested in the hotel name we're going, I can give you the information as soon as I have it eventually16:17
RiddellI need to find someone to share a room with today to get cheapish accommodation16:17
Tonio_Riddell: hum, it depends if we have individual rooms or roomies.... I can't tell you atm...16:20
NCommanderanyone got any ideas?16:21
NCommanderJontheEchidna, ping16:24
NCommanderJontheEchidna, care unbreaking kdebase-workspace with your RSS change :-)16:25
Riddellbzr is inconsistent with what's in the archive16:26
NCommanderI noticed16:26
NCommanderThat's how my patches got left out16:26
Tonio_Riddell, ScottK: the svn diff for kdebase-workspace is 2MB...16:26
Riddell4:4.1.96-0ubuntu4 hasn't been uploaded16:27
Tonio_Riddell: hum looking at the patch then16:27
JontheEchidnadoh, forgot to copy over control from where I made the changes16:27
JontheEchidnaNCommander: just add a build-dep on kdepimlibs5-dev16:27
NCommanderJontheEchidna, I was testing that now :-)16:28
ScottKTonio_: It'll probably be about 4 hours before I can work on Intrepid bluetooth, so 'tonight' in your TZ works great for me.16:30
Tonio_ScottK I need to wait for the ubuntu4 package to yet appear in launchpad anyway before testing on my own...16:31
ScottKOK.  Well about an hour ago soyuz' publisher was crashing.  Dunno if it's fixed yet.16:32
Tonio_we'll see ;)16:34
nixternalKDE 4 + NVIDIA == Karbage!16:37
* nixternal wishes these workstations had Intel video instead of NVIDIA Quadros16:37
ScottKTonio_: The diff that Tm_T sent me for 4.1 was only 157K.16:40
Sputmeh, I can have effects on nvidia, but not on my intel :p16:44
Sputcurrent intel drivers suck on GM45, and older ones are too slow16:44
Sputwhereas nvidia 180.xx actually has decent performance in KDE416:44
Riddelljpds: you anything to do with Age Concern Reading16:44
Tm_TSput: it has just fine performance here16:44
jpdsRiddell: /msg16:44
Tonio_ScottK here is my problem with the kdebluetooth...16:53
Tonio_ScottK I looked at the diff between ouy current kdebase-workspace and the current svn snap from 4.2 branch...16:54
Tonio_ScottK there's not any difference in anything related to solid (./solid ./libs/solid)16:54
ScottKTonio_: Did you look at the patches sent to kubuntu-devel?16:55
Tonio_ScottK nope, have a URL please ?16:55
Tonio_ScottK is the diff from trunk ?16:55
Tonio_ScottK ho on the ML... looking16:56
Tonio_yeah, patches are from the trunk...16:56
Tonio_ScottK wouldn't it be better asking to tpatzig if he plans to backport to 4.2 ?16:56
Tonio_ScottK instead of patching from 4.3 when 4.2 isn't even released ? :)16:57
ScottKTonio_: I'd say it's better to get it working or find out it doesn't sooner rather than later.16:57
ScottKNote that the 4.1 patch is also described as against trunk, so I'm not sure what he means by trunk in any case.16:58
Tonio_ScottK between the svns, the kubuntu-devel, the ML and so on, I have to document myself a bit to look at all this :)16:58
Tonio_ScottK, hum okay.... so 4.2 isn't ready to work with it's codebase... and he wrote the patches...16:59
jpdsNeat: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/kdebase16:59
ScottKRiddell: It occurs to me that because 4.1.4 is in proposed, fixing bluetooth on Intrepid will be tied to getting 4.1.4 accepted into -updates.  So I think we'll have plenty of testers.16:59
ScottKRiddell: Did you file SRU bugs for 4.1.4 yet?17:00
Tonio_ScottK what patches do you need in your case ? 4.2 or 4.2 ?17:00
* Tonio_ doesn't work on SRUs...17:00
ScottKI need 4.1.17:00
ScottKWhich I have.17:00
Tonio_have the kdebase-workspace patch ?17:00
ScottKTonio_: All I need from you is kdebluetooth updated in Jaunty so I can push it to Intrepid.17:01
Tonio_then I have to get the 4.2, eventually fix kdebase-workspace if nobody did (looks like this is already in the pipe) and provide a little kdebluetooth upgrade...17:01
RiddellScottK: no I havn't17:01
* ScottK is currently ordering groceries and not looking in detail.17:01
RiddellScottK: I'm also being on what happened with the problems the other day.  lool can you remind us?17:01
Tonio_ScottK now it makes sense...17:01
ScottKRiddell: He's got a libxine SRU pending that would also need to go at the same time.17:02
* ScottK thinks it starts to sound like Debian.17:02
Tonio_Riddell: is the kdebase-workspace ubuntu4 package supposed to have that patch ? bzr has no entries about that in the changelog ;)17:03
ScottKRiddell: It'd be very handy to have the 4.1.4 SRU bugs ready for people to comment on.17:03
RiddellTonio_: which patch?17:03
loolRiddell: It's a bunch17:03
Tonio_Riddell: the kdebluetooth/solid one, you said me kdebase-workspace was in the pipe17:03
Tonio_Riddell: launchpad didn't update yet, so I can't see the changelog ;)17:04
RiddellTonio_: it's waiting for someone (you) to put the patch in17:04
Tonio_oki (thought it was uploaded17:04
Tonio_ScottK where did you get the patch please ? opensuse source rpm ?17:05
ScottKTm_T mailed it to me.17:05
Tonio_Tm_T: ping ? :)17:05
Tm_TTonio_: yes son?17:05
Tonio_Tm_T: got the 4.2 patch or should I e-mail tpatzig to get it ?17:05
ScottKTonio_: Isn't the patch on kubuntu-devel the one you want?17:05
loolRiddell: So there were fprintf-alike calls in xine-lib using translated strings as the format arg17:06
Tonio_ScottK true, I missed the 4.2.... it also is attached...17:06
Tonio_okay let's go17:06
loolRiddell: Some translations were borken17:06
loolRiddell: And used more format specs than the original english text17:06
loolWhich caused crashes17:06
Tm_TTonio_: no, only 4.117:06
Tm_TTonio_: I undestood that 4.2 got updated in svn17:07
loolThis only started being very common after a KDE update; I suspect it's kdelibs' update which fixes some environment handling (probably results in the locale being set correctly when libxine is initialized)17:07
ScottKlool: We finally have kdebluetooth patches that I'm working on getting to -proposed, so we're trying to make sure we keep track of what needs to transition to -updates with
loolRiddell: We fixed xine-lib to prefix "%s" to these calls; fixed the langpacks; fixed at least part of these broken translations17:07
ScottKlool: IIRC there is an updated language pack pending testing?17:07
loolScottK: I think it'd be best if you'd wait for langpack-gnome-it-base and -de as well as xine-lib to make it to -updates17:08
looljust to be on the safe side17:08
ScottKAny idea on the timeline for that?17:08
loolThat said, more than just these xine-libs strings are affected17:08
loolScottK: Everything's uploaded; latest langpacks only since yesterday; so in 10 days I'd guess?17:08
loolUnless SRU team wants to speed up things17:09
loolThe things which still need doing: a) fixing programs to use %s when there's no format specifier in the english template (wont happen with most upstreams sadly)17:09
loolb) review all c-format strings when there's mismatch in number of % or incompatible % usage c) review other strings which look like C formats17:10
loold) LP is being fixed to disallow these mismatches in more situations17:10
ScottKWell we'll want to bake 4.1.4 in -proposed for a while anyway.17:12
ScottKSo I think a week or two isn't a major problem.17:12
Tonio_ScottK do you know what Michael Casadevall's nick is ?17:13
ScottKNCommander: ^^^17:13
Tonio_ScottK oki ;)17:13
Tonio_NCommander: bzr kdebase-workspace has both ubuntu4 and ubuntu5 entries, while current one is ubuntu3...17:14
NCommanderTonio_, I just committed a fix to fix that17:14
Tonio_NCommander: should I keep your changes in my ubuntu4 upload ?17:14
Tonio_NCommander: oki, nice17:14
NCommanderTonio_, yes, it fixes the ARm build17:14
Tonio_NCommander: is that uploaded in the archives ? if not I'll upload with the kdebluetooth patch17:15
NCommanderYou fixed kdebluetooth?17:15
* NCommander hugs Tonio_!17:15
Tonio_NCommander: I'm working on it :)17:15
NCommanderTonio_, no its not, just add your patch to Bazaar, and build the end result17:15
NCommanderThen get ScottK or Riddell  to sponsor as I'm not a core dev17:15
ScottKNCommander: Tonio_ is core-dev17:16
NCommanderIf I didn't just stick my foot in my mouth ...17:16
ScottKNCommander: meet Tonio_.  Tonio_ meet NCommander.17:16
NCommanderTonio_, I'm the guy who fixed the miserable pile of errors that was KDE on ARM :-)17:17
ScottKTonio_: NCommander has been doing us a lot of good work as he says.  We also converted him to run Kubuntu.17:17
NCommanderScottK, i fixed my bug with Xubuntu17:17
* NCommander runs17:18
Tonio_NCommander: we already discussed in the past, but I must say I didn't knew who you were.... and I was mostly offline for personal reasons :)17:19
NCommanderTonio_, Not a problem, its a pleasure to meet another Kubuntu guy17:20
Riddellyou two may well have met at UDS17:21
* NCommander doesn't remember17:21
RiddellTonio_: note that ubuntu4 isn't uploaded for kdebase-workspace, you should merge the ubuntu5 changelog into it17:21
* Tm_T would love to be in UDS some time17:22
jcastrohey Riddell, I would like to put kdebase on my hitlist for improving bug linkages this cycle17:22
jcastroI am just going to have nixternal do all the work. *cough*17:22
NCommanderRiddell, I committed a fix for that!17:23
NCommanderPeople, BZR PULL!17:23
Tonio_Riddell: that's what I did after pinging NCommander about the bzr changelog file17:23
Riddelljcastro: which one?  there's three from upstream (but only one exists upstream)17:24
Tonio_Riddell: the package is building locally and if no issue, I'll upload and then upload kdebluetooth17:24
jcastroRiddell: it's listed in lp as "kdebase", so whichever that one maps to?17:24
jcastroif it's wrong or something it might explain why the numbers are kind of crap17:24
Riddellit maps to three in ubuntu17:24
Riddellkdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebase17:24
Riddellupstream gives us split tarballs but doesn't have split svn17:25
jcastroah, kdebase-workspace shows up different for me on the upstream report17:25
Tonio_ScottK I have the kdebluetooth package ready, so as I'll wait for kdebase-workspace to get in the archives before upload, you might get it tomorrow....17:25
Tonio_ScottKis that fine ?17:25
ScottKTonio_: Would you push your changes to bzr or publish it somewhere then so I can start work?17:26
* ScottK doesn't know if we have bzr for kdebluetooth.17:26
Riddellwe don't17:27
Tonio_ScottK well it's very little package.... would you like a bzr branch for that one ?17:31
Tonio_ScottK I can push you the source package somewhere, but I need to test the build first.17:32
ScottKTonio_: I just want the package.  Push the source somewhere is fine.17:32
Tonio_ScottK: http://planetemu.net/temp/kdebluetooth/17:34
Tonio_ScottK just a simple uupdate there, since I can't build, nore test it17:34
Tonio_ScottK the current package doesn't have any patch btw, so this one, as long as building, should be okay17:35
ScottKTonio_: OK.  Would you mind putting up a signed pacakge?17:36
Tonio_ScottKsure not17:36
apacheloggermorning, day, evening17:37
apachelogger*uploading cdbs*17:37
* apachelogger thinks that Tonio_ should fix his autocompletion :P17:40
ScottKTonio_: Got it.  Thanks.17:40
apacheloggeroh neato, apparently all l10n packs are up17:40
apacheloggeralso with that upcoming cdbs revision the documentation path will change17:41
apacheloggerNCommander: btw, 4.2.0?17:41
ScottKSput: I have no idea how hard this would be, but apport integration would be a lovely thing to have (make all of our lives easier): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo17:42
* apachelogger notes that apport only makes apachelogger's live more difficult17:43
* apachelogger pushed kubuntu-default-settings with fix for kickoff branding17:44
* ScottK heads off for a while ....17:47
apacheloggerjcastro: improving upstream linkage of the kdebases would imply that they very valid ... something I am not sure for most of them17:48
apacheloggernot for KDE 4.2 anyway17:48
RiddellTonio_: you havn't re-uploaded https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpackagekit-qt17:48
RiddellTonio_: you'll need to bump the version number17:48
jcastroapachelogger: ok, well, if we figure out that it's not then that's fine too17:49
apacheloggerjcastro: we will hunt through them soonish I guess, in order to get pressing issues fixed in 4.2.x17:51
apacheloggerthat ought to improve the linkage :)17:51
apacheloggeroh it's meeting time again17:52
jcastroapachelogger: I was thinking a cycle-long drive to improve it, then next cycle we pick another one, etc.17:52
jcastroit's kind of boring for kde though, you guys don't have enough open kubuntu bugs. :p17:53
Nightrosenot enough?17:53
Nightroseoh dear17:53
Nightrosehow many is enough? ;-)17:53
JontheEchidnawe had 700 in the middle of the intrepid cycle for kdebase17:54
* apachelogger notes that we are way too good at bug house keeping :P17:54
jcastrodon't slow down on my account, heh17:55
Tonio_Riddell: wasn't it rejected ?18:01
Tonio_Riddell: I didn't bump cause I thought you rejected the package from NEW....18:01
Tonio_Riddell: oki I'll reupload then18:01
RiddellI rejected the binary package, source was already accepted18:02
rgreeninghey all. sry for being incognito for a while... I should be back on more regular now and can get tomy todo list...18:02
ScottKrgreening: o/18:02
Tonio_Riddell: oki uploading 0ubuntu2 package then with a changelog entry18:03
Tonio_Riddell: renamed libpackagekit-qt0 to qt2 according to soname, as expected..18:03
apacheloggerrgreening: servus18:06
JontheEchidnaawesome: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/amarok18:06
Riddellanyone use MSN/WLM messenger?18:07
apacheloggerrgreening: perfect timing, 4.2.0 is up for packaging in a few days ;)18:07
Tonio_Riddell: I use MSN18:07
RiddellJontheEchidna: cor, what happened on the 12th?18:07
Tonio_Riddell: kopete somewhere ? :)18:07
RiddellTonio_: what's your ID?18:07
ScottKTonio_: Did you see http://blog.ratonred.com/2009/01/a-new-stuff-with-the-power-of-plasma/ <- Your friends at Pardus have been busy.18:07
apacheloggerRiddell: we introduced amarok2 ;-)18:07
JontheEchidnaRiddell: amarok 2.0 hit jaunty18:07
RiddellTonio_: get that?18:08
Tonio_Riddell: let me sign in :)18:08
Tonio_Riddell: I'm on... what should I get ?18:08
Riddelldunno, I don't use this proprietry nonsense18:09
* apachelogger thinks upper german greeting would be nice today18:09
Tonio_Riddell: why did you need my id then ? :)18:09
RiddellTonio_: well I'm trying to contact you now with it18:10
Riddellit seems to think you're in a chat with me18:10
Tonio_ScottK yeah, pardus is coding interesting stuff.... we might looking closelly in the future :)18:10
RiddellTonio_: can you see me?  microsoft@jriddell. org18:10
Tonio_Riddell: I don't see anything, but that already happened to me with amsn...18:10
Tonio_Riddell: not yet, lemme try to add you18:11
Tonio_Riddell: you registered a passport ? fine...18:11
RiddellTonio_: it says you added me18:12
Tonio_Riddell: it tells me you are not online and I'm not in your contact list18:12
Tonio_Riddell: that's probably amsn doing crap...18:12
Tonio_can you try to speak please ?18:12
RiddellI am18:12
Tonio_nothing happens..18:13
Tonio_Riddell: can I get your kopete somewhere ? I think that can be amsn causing trouble, really...18:13
NightroseRiddell: want me to try?18:14
RiddellNightrose: please do18:14
NightroseRiddell: lydiapintscher@hotmail.com18:14
rgreeningapachelogger: excellent... I'll be around18:15
RiddellTonio_: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_4.1.96-0ubuntu3_i386.deb18:15
RiddellNightrose: says you're offline18:15
Nightrosei am signed in18:16
RiddellNightrose: can't see me?18:18
Riddelltonio can see me now18:18
NightroseRiddell: nope - nothing18:18
RiddellNightrose: what if you add me?18:18
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, if you want to give mysql 5.1 a shot ... I don't seem to be able to get the pkgdatadir var changed properly18:18
NightroseRiddell: adress?18:18
RiddellNightrose: microsoft@jriddell. org18:19
Nightrosealright let me try18:19
Riddellapachelogger: fooey, I'll look at it18:19
Tonio_Riddell: seems to work...18:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: pling18:19
RiddellTonio_: I still see you as offline18:20
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: plong18:20
Riddelleven though I can talk to you18:20
Tonio_as said, taht's probably amsn18:20
NightroseRiddell: says you are offline18:20
Tonio_lemme switch18:20
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you were the one I discussed the about kubuntu dialog with?18:20
JontheEchidnathe about kubuntu dialog?18:20
apacheloggerthere was a bug report about kubuntu not being identifable as kubuntu18:21
apacheloggerdue to lack of an about dialog18:21
JontheEchidnathe one where we patch kdelibs to make it "About Kubuntu" and also incorporate about kde inos?18:21
Riddellkopete is a mess of windows, it should learn to use tabs18:21
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: then yes, yes I was18:22
Tonio_Riddell: it can afaik18:22
Tonio_Riddell: could be configured...18:22
Tonio_Riddell: kde3 kopete had tabs by default within kds18:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I took a look into it this morning ... as I see it we have 3 options: !) replace about KDE completely with about Kubuntu 2) add an additional about Kubuntu 3) add about Kubuntu, remove about KDE, but make the actual dialog part of the about Kubuntu one18:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: 1) and 2) are considerable easy .. 2) requires a bit more changes (nothing too fancy though)18:23
apacheloggerbuilding the dialog itself is fairly simple18:23
apacheloggeranother approach would be to create a completely independent app18:24
NightroseRiddell: i use kopete with tabs here18:25
RiddellNightrose: are you using kopete from kubuntu?18:25
Nightroseand i still don't understand why we can't see each other18:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: should be easy to invoke, but doesn't get created as subwindow of the invoker, so it would actually appear as individual app18:25
RiddellNightrose: then it's probably not compiled with libmsn18:25
Nightrosewhatever is newest with experimental ppa18:25
RiddellNightrose: try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_4.1.96-0ubuntu3_i386.deb18:25
Riddelloh wait, that's jaunty18:25
Nightrosewell i see other msn contact online18:25
Nightroselike my brother18:26
JontheEchidnashoveling the porch18:26
* apachelogger dumped to much thoughts on JontheEchidna :P18:26
apachelogger*too many18:26
* rgreening is upgrading to Jaunty Alpha-318:31
Tonio_Riddell: I changed my status and my contacts could see it.... that's probably an e-mail verification that blocks you18:31
Riddellthat e-mail address isn't actually valid18:31
RiddellTonio_: but you're using my kopete build?18:32
Tonio_that would eventually explain :)18:32
Tonio_Riddell: now yes18:32
Riddellwell that's what I want to test so should be good, I'll upload it18:32
Tonio_Riddell: can't wait :)18:32
Tonio_Riddell: may I upload plasmoid-network-manager ?18:37
apacheloggerread it, love it, hug it18:37
* apachelogger demands cookies meanwhile18:37
Tonio_Riddell: I know not everyone seems to be able to use it, but that way people can test...18:37
JontheEchidna~order cookies apachelogger18:37
* kubotu slides cookies apachelogger down the bar to JontheEchidna18:37
apachelogger~order cookies, xmas18:38
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to apachelogger and shouts: Happy whatever -.-18:38
JontheEchidna~help order18:38
kubotuYou may also have a look at 'help order goods/machines/replies' ... Placing an order is actually easy as hell. 'order GOOD' => GOOD gets slid down the bar. 'order GOOD for NICK' => GOOD get slid down the bar to NICK. 'order GOOD for everyone' => everyone gets GOOD (in case the good is finite it will end as you place this order). 'order birthday package' => in case you want to make a special birthday present ;-)18:38
JontheEchidna~order cookies for apachelogger18:38
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.18:38
rgreeningis the new knetworkmanager plamoid available for testing yet18:38
Tonio_rgreening: I have a package, revu was okay18:39
Tonio_rgreening: but as master Riddell and a couple of other people couldn't connect, I was wondering if I should upload :)18:39
Tonio_rgreening: but I can give you a deb ;)18:39
Tonio_rgreening: I suspect it won't connect to any kind of security wireless cases.... wpa2 seems okay, wpa seems broken...18:40
rgreeningTonio_: sure...18:40
rgreeningTonio_: I use wep18:40
Tonio_rgreening: see http://planetemu.net/temp/nm18:41
RiddellTonio_: I tried it with my flatmates account and it works better18:43
Riddellso I guess not being verified causes issues18:44
rgreeningTonio_: ty. do you know if wep works?18:45
apacheloggerTonio_: is policykit in jaunty yet?18:46
apacheloggernvm :P18:46
Riddellapachelogger: nothing in New queue18:47
Tonio_rgreening: I don't know yet :)18:47
Tonio_rgreening: please give feedback18:47
rgreeningTonio_: ok. will do. Im updating to Jaunty Alpha-3 first (31% dl now).18:49
Tonio_rgreening: great ;)18:49
Tonio_Riddell, apachelogger : [ubuntu/jaunty] policykit-kde 0.0+svn913422-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)18:50
Tonio_Riddell, apachelogger :18:50
Tonio_Today 12:50:1418:50
Riddellhmm, why didn't that end up in New?18:52
Riddellwell I accepted libpackagekit-qt2 so maybe we'll have a kpackagekit in jaunty soon18:52
_SimeRiddell: fosdem. I put myself up as needing a room. I assumed there would be a group booking???18:53
Tonio_Riddell: maybe someone else accepted... I don't know18:53
Riddell_Sime: no, we have to sort ourselves out18:53
Riddell_Sime: fancy sharing a room on friday and saturday night?18:54
_Simegood idea.18:54
_Simein the hotel?18:54
Riddell_Sime: yeah, the one Wendy recommended18:54
_Simeso who gets to book? ;-)18:56
Tonio_Riddell: kdebase-workspace built successfully, uploading and then giving love to kdebluetooth18:57
Riddell_Sime: might be a bit cheaper if you did it, no currency convertion18:57
_Simeno worries.18:58
Riddell_Sime: http://www.hotelalbert.be/ 'do not forget to mention "KDE voor Emile" to obtain these special prices'18:59
_Simewho is Emile...19:00
Riddellsomeone at the hotel?19:00
_Simehow late will you be at the hotel?19:03
Riddell_Sime: flight gets in at 20:1019:04
Riddellso maybe 21:00?19:04
Riddellprobably more like 21:3019:04
_Simethen I'll be earlier.19:04
_Simeok, form is submitted. They haven't asked for money yet. ;-)19:06
_SimeI want to be there around 18:00.19:06
_Simemaybe earlier.19:06
Riddellyou want to get to the free beer don't you? :)19:07
Riddellthat was a pretty crowded pub last year, I might have to lose some weight so I can fit in between the mass of geeks19:08
* apachelogger never bumped into so many people at once19:09
apacheloggerwas like causing chain reactions :D19:10
apacheloggerjcastro: awesome blog post about badvista :D19:12
apachelogger\sh: you are clearly using the wrong desktop again19:17
_Simeapachelogger: are you coming to fosdem as well?19:20
apachelogger_Sime: nope, gotta work unfortunately :(19:20
NightroseRiddell: _Sime: so you are in hotel albert as well now?19:36
Nightroseexcellent :)19:36
_SimeNightrose: I've booked a room for Riddell and myself. (assuming the booking goes through)19:36
Nightrosethey were pretty fast when i booked19:36
_SimeNightrose: are most people staying in the albert?19:37
Nightrosejep me, fregl, sven423 and probably a few more19:37
Nightrosei think Jos and Jos too19:37
_Simeprobably ade too19:38
Nightrosemight be yea19:38
Riddellpresumably wendy and so presumably wendy's Bart19:39
Nightrosedon't they stay at home?19:39
Riddelloh, maybe19:40
Nightrosethey don't live too far away no?19:40
_SimeI think they can just use the train.19:41
* apachelogger notes that somehow the unreads in his bug mail folder always increase even though he is doing triage :(19:43
apacheloggerRiddell: what is a pet-bug?19:43
Riddellapachelogger: top secret!  where did you hear about it?19:44
Riddellare you watching my every move on launchpad?19:44
apacheloggerwell, those affecting our product anyway :P19:44
apacheloggerso yes, almost every19:44
* Nightrose thinks Riddell is feeling stalked19:46
JontheEchidnaasac marked a heavily-duped/hated bug as a pet-bug19:47
JontheEchidnathat's how I saw it19:47
JontheEchidnabut I also saw jr's bug19:47
apacheloggerpitti also marked one :P19:50
Riddellapachelogger: the canonical desktop team has been told to find 10 pet-bugs to mark in the hope of fixing them for jaunty19:54
Riddellso that's one19:55
RiddellI'm open to suggestions for other19:55
Riddell..told each to find..19:55
apacheloggerRiddell: get KHC a new backend ;-)19:55
apacheloggerRiddell: khelpcenter20:00
Riddellmm, that's more of a feature20:00
apacheloggerRiddell: I consider the unserchability of documentation a pretty grave defect20:01
apacheloggerespecially since there is a backend which is completely broken20:01
Riddellyes, strigi hasn't really helped with that as it ought20:02
apacheloggerkhelpcenter is not even using strigi/nepomuk ... even though strigi has a parser for docbook, so it would be able to index20:03
* apachelogger looked into it, but eventually gave up on nepomuks query language20:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ping20:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 6699020:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 66990 in kubuntu-meta "kubuntu/firefox should per default open mailto: with kmail" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6699020:05
apacheloggerbug in firefox IMHO20:05
JontheEchidnashouldn't it default to xdg-email?20:05
JontheEchidnaby default! ;P20:06
apacheloggermy thinking20:06
apacheloggerapparently it does not20:06
apachelogger...spreading FUD about desktop integration...20:06
apachelogger<3 mozilla20:06
JontheEchidnaugh, this app distributes a debian dir in its tarball20:08
RiddellJontheEchidna: remove it before making a .orig generally20:09
JontheEchidnaI have to change the foldername of the main folder in the tarball anyway20:09
Riddellthe parent folder name never needs to be changed20:10
JontheEchidnaeven if it doesn't have a version number?20:10
Riddelleven then20:10
JontheEchidnaI thought that makes dpkg-buildpackage complain20:10
Riddellit might add a warning, nothing to be worried about20:10
_Simepkg-kde-tools has trouble upgrading to 4.2.20:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: it will cry you a river actually20:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: but for no good reason, unpacking with dpkg-source ensures the dir has the correct name anyway20:12
* apachelogger loves moving bugs to other source packages :D20:12
apachelogger_Sime: intrepid?20:12
apachelogger_Sime: JontheEchidna is your man20:12
_SimeI'm just uninstalling the conflicting stuff. kdelibs5-dev and libplasma-dev.20:13
apachelogger_Sime: well, drop JontheEchidna the error20:15
apacheloggerwe need to fix that for 4.2.0 anyway20:15
_Simehe's not a real echidna is he?20:16
JontheEchidnanope ^_^20:16
_SimeJontheEchidna: ping20:16
_SimeI couldn't read your nick. the colours in konversation clash.20:17
_SimeI guess you just read that I hit a conflict while upgrading to 4.2 on intrepid?20:18
_Simepkg-kde-tools seemed to conflict with kdelibs5-dev and libplasma in some way.20:18
JontheEchidnajust need to know which files, dpkg should complain more specifically back when it's acutally unpackaing the deb20:21
_SimeJontheEchidna: would that be listed in a apt errorlog somewhere?20:26
JontheEchidnathe easiest way would probably be to sudo apt-get install pkg-kde-tools from the terminal20:27
JontheEchidnait'll output the error as long as you use a console updating tool20:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I just marked > 1000 bug changes from you as read20:28
apacheloggerno wonder my unread count constantly grows :P20:28
apachelogger1198 to be precise20:29
SputScottK: that apport thing looks like something that'd need to be installed by ubuntu packagers rather than upstream to me20:35
seeleapachelogger: what kind of info do you need for a bug about akonodi eating calendar data?20:36
seelei've got no idea where to start besides "akonodi at calendar data and wont let me add new data"20:36
apacheloggerseele: me neither20:37
ScottKSput: Agreed that it's only useful in the context of a distro that uses it, but I was hoping you could hand me patches to apply in our build....20:37
SputScottK: I did only scan the docs you linked me, but I couldn't see anything that could/should be done from our side20:37
* ScottK will see if he can figure something out then.20:38
Sputif there is anything, let me know - but so far it looks to me that the package needs to install some hooks file, and then the patched ubuntu kernel can do something with that20:38
apacheloggerseele: ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err for starters20:39
SputScottK: I don't see any indication that a program's source needs to be adapted, or that the program itself has to do anything with the apport process, but of course I might be wrong20:40
ScottKSput: OK.  I'd assumed it was something to get from the crash file in $HOME to apport,  but I'll look into it.20:40
SputScottK: afaics the kernel intercepts segfaults and dumps its own crashlog20:41
Sputif that conflicts with our own segfault handling, I can add a compile-time switch to disable that20:41
ScottKapachelogger: Nice dependency graph.  Oddly enough if I was drawing it I'd have drawn it reversed from that.20:42
ScottKSput: Thanks.20:42
apacheloggerScottK: dependencies are always top=>down20:42
apacheloggerat least all I have seen ;-)20:42
ScottKI believe you, it's just not how I tend to think of it.20:42
apacheloggereasy enough to get used to though20:43
apacheloggerat least for me :)20:43
apacheloggerseele: what resource where you using? (akonaditray -> configure -> select resource -> modify -> screenshot)20:44
* apachelogger notes that akonadi is not exactly easy to debug20:44
apachelogger+ there is no documentation20:44
apacheloggerseele: I recommend you talk to some akonadi dev in #kontact (or #akonadi if that exists)20:45
apacheloggertechnically I would assume that only the accessing resource is broken20:46
apacheloggerthe data might very well still be there20:46
seeleapachelogger: i hope so, i'll go find someone20:46
apacheloggerakonadi just can't access it anymore20:46
apacheloggerNightrose: should I know the dood in #amarok?20:47
Nightroseapachelogger: he is working on techbase and kontakt20:48
apacheloggerand I should know :P20:49
Nightrosecare to tell?20:49
apacheloggerNightrose: honest to god, I don't know how aaron does it20:49
apacheloggerNightrose: he wrote the neon documentation for techbase20:49
Nightrosehow aaron does what? ;-)20:50
Nightroseah cool20:50
apacheloggerNightrose: remember all the people :P20:51
Sputwell, he's a rock star20:51
Nightroseapachelogger: *lol*   it is not _that_ hard20:52
* apachelogger forgets stuff after < 24 hours20:52
apacheloggerleaves more place for FUD :P20:52
* apachelogger also thinks his language engine is broken for quite some time now20:53
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, that locked device bug I poked you with the other day indeed turned out to be pulseaudio20:54
JontheEchidnapulseaudio ftl20:54
Nightroseapachelogger: surprise surprise ;-)20:54
JontheEchidnait was pulseaudio + gstreamer... double eew20:55
apacheloggerwell, I have been damaged from hacking vb.net, vba, completely insane sql queries and uno, I could also do some work with gstreamer20:57
apacheloggermaybe my movement engine gets damaged ... would be a good reason to stay at home and work on kubuntu ;-)20:57
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: btw, why does kubuntu-bugs monitor kde4-style-bespin?20:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: because it is KDE :P20:58
apacheloggerand because smarter always breaks it :P20:58
apacheloggerand all of KDE along with it20:58
JontheEchidnaI removed kdar from the watch list since it was removed after feisty20:59
apacheloggerpoor kdar :(20:59
JontheEchidnaand we no longer support fiesty anyways. and it has 0 bugs20:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you close all bugs?20:59
apacheloggermust have been good software then :P20:59
JontheEchidnaeither that or underused :P21:00
JontheEchidnaonly ever had 3 uploads21:00
apacheloggermust have been good and complete software then21:01
apacheloggerwth is revolution linux21:02
apacheloggerlook at that21:02
apacheloggerbug 31563421:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315634 in kdeedu "In french translation, the web browser doesn't start when I click "Page Wikipedia"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31563421:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how about some triage target?21:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: let's get rid of all the bugs in kdeedu21:08
apacheloggerlike, completely21:08
JontheEchidnakdegames might be a good target too21:09
JontheEchidnabtw, I seem to remember us finding the cause of the kpat crash in IRC, but I never saw it posted to the bug report and now I can't remember21:09
* apachelogger finds edu more important because we would get cookies from Nightrose21:09
apacheloggerand job oportunity at revolution linux21:09
Nightrosevery true21:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we didn't IIRC21:10
JontheEchidnamaybe I'm going crazy then :P21:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: just randomg poking with the result that it is completely weird21:10
apacheloggerI heared it's translation related though21:10
JontheEchidnaof course, we'll probably be able to blame rosetta in the end21:11
NightroseRiddell: quote from Wade's blog: "Kyle continues his work on the new Dot.  We have promises from him.  I’m printing this in public solely to put more pressure on him."21:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: could very well be upstream21:12
apacheloggerplasma had loads of these issues, where configuration strings where translated and thus broke everything21:12
apacheloggerin 4.0 times that is21:12
seelemeeting is looking like it will happen wednesday.. just need to hear back from nixternal.  Tonio too21:22
seelenixternal: enter available times for kubuntu meeting! see topic21:22
nixternalseele: what time wednesday?21:24
seelenixternal: there are times all day, but the ones with the most people are 11AM EST, 1PM EST, 5PM EST21:26
nixternalI wouldn't be able to do any of those21:27
seeleboh, that sucks.  no one is available on the saturday21:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I know why kstars doesn't open the lin21:27
nixternalsaturday is the only ones I can do21:28
apacheloggerbetter yet21:28
apacheloggerfix it21:28
JontheEchidnaIt takes the string of the kaction passed to it and tries to match it against one in another list21:28
rgreeningapachelogger: I just updated to latest alpha. amarok wants to remove kmail... any ideas?21:28
JontheEchidnaif it can't find the string in the InfoList it fails21:29
apacheloggerrgreening: yeah, we need to change mysql-5.121:29
* JontheEchidna doesn't quite know how to fix it though21:29
apacheloggerdebundle the usr/share stuff to a -data package and use a different directory than usr/share/mysql/21:29
apacheloggerI failed on the latter do to limited knowledge of autotools21:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I don't even understand it :P21:30
rgreeningapachelogger: wants to remove akonadi-kde akonadi-server kmail mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server mysql-server-5.021:30
rgreeningapachelogger: and install mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.121:30
apacheloggerrgreening: yeah mysql-5.1 conflicts 5.021:30
apacheloggeramarok needs 5.121:30
apacheloggerakonadi 5.021:30
rgreeningso, if I up to mysql 5.1 first, will that leave my kmail21:31
apacheloggereither or21:31
rgreeninghmm... whats the planned fix21:31
rgreeningakonadi 5.1?21:31
rgreeningor whatever21:31
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: Ok, so you right-click mars and you get a context menu. Once you click "Page wikipedia" this function takes over: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107107/21:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so it happens in en_US as well?21:32
JontheEchidnanope, it works fine with default locale21:32
apacheloggerprobably a translation problem then21:33
JontheEchidnacould be a string mismatch between the infolist and kaction string21:33
apacheloggermost likely, translated in one but not translated in the other or something like this21:33
apacheloggerstracing would make sense to find out where that infolist is stored21:33
apacheloggerassuming it is a file21:33
apacheloggerrgreening: ping21:34
rgreeningapachelogger: gnip21:35
apacheloggerrgreening: ever wrote a MIR?21:35
rgreeningWhats that acronym mean (I may have, but the arco escapes me)21:35
apacheloggermain inclusion report21:36
apacheloggerto get a package into main21:36
ubottumir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.21:36
rgreeningah, hmm... don't think so21:36
rgreeningBut I can21:36
apacheloggerrgreening: about time then  ... bug 6636221:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 66362 in kdeedu "Equation Solver not enabled in Kalzium" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6636221:36
rgreeningk. i'll take it on.21:36
apacheloggerrgreening: only get it started if you can put about an hour of undivided attention into it21:37
apacheloggerone mostly needs to do a lot of research for information21:37
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I can only find wikipedia in one string to be translated: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdeedu/+pots/kstars/fr/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=wikipedia21:37
apacheloggerand if you don't the all mighty MIR team will eat you ;-)21:38
apacheloggerrgreening: well, you can also cut it into pieces, but don't try to do other things while working on the report21:38
rgreeningapachelogger: in that case, I won't have time today... but I can tomorrow21:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, maybe _we_ don't even import it ... do an strace and find out where that infolist is :P21:39
apacheloggerrgreening: sure, we waited almost a year, one day more or less will not make us any more sad :P21:39
apacheloggeroh 2 years actually ^_^21:40
apacheloggerrgreening: considering the age of the report you might want to check if the dep moved to main meanwhile, or if kalzium even requires it still21:40
rgreeningapachelogger: I'll look into it21:41
apachelogger"If you do not agree to the BSD licence, you will not be able to make translations in Launchpad."21:41
SimeRiddell: accomodation is confirmed. arrive 6 feb, depart 8 feb.21:46
RiddellSime: super thanks, do we pay on arrival?21:47
SimeRiddell: I guess they will copy my CC when I check in, and pay on departure.21:48
RiddellSime: ok, we'll sort that out at the time21:49
RiddellSime: can I get your mobile number so I can find you on the night?21:49
Simei've emailed it on to your21:51
RiddellSime: gotit thanks, my phone is at jriddell.org/contact.html21:55
SimeRiddell: which number is which?21:58
Riddellhmm, I should clarify that21:59
Simeinternational format would help too21:59
RiddellSime: updated22:00
Simeah ha!22:00
Simevery stalker friendly page there Riddell ... ;-)22:01
Riddellno stalkers yet22:01
* apachelogger sends mail to the stalker club he is member of :P22:05
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: what would I be looking for in the strace?22:05
SimeRiddell: I'll test that number, don't pick up though. :)22:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: infolist22:05
jussi01Riddell: not that youve noticed :P22:05
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: not present22:06
apacheloggeroh dear22:06
apacheloggermaybe it is no list :P22:06
JontheEchidna"that's no moon"22:06
apachelogger./kspopupmenu.cpp:    //If the star is named, add custom items to popup menu based on object's ImageList and InfoList22:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: who needs that old thing anyway22:07
apacheloggersource doesn't wanna tell me where that list comes from -.-22:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I recommend talking to $upstream ... I heared Arby got friends over at kdeedu ;-)22:10
* JontheEchidna cowers in fear22:10
* Arby checks the exits22:10
JontheEchidna./kstarsdata.cpp:                        o->InfoList().append( url );22:10
JontheEchidnabut where does the list come from...22:11
apacheloggerupstream will know22:11
RiddellSime: nothing22:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: from the aux it seems22:12
SimeRiddell: ok, you're awake. wait22:12
RiddellSime: there it goes22:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna:  *@struct AuxInfo22:13
apachelogger *Stores Users' Logs and QStringLists of URLs for images22:13
apachelogger *and webpages regarding an object in the sky.22:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: data/info_url.dat22:14
apachelogger#Data file for KStars, specifying object-specific Web Page URLs.22:14
apachelogger#For Image URLs, see image_url.dat.22:14
JontheEchidnaliek whoa!22:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: search that strace for info_url I guess22:14
JontheEchidnaopen("/home/jonathan/.kde/share/apps/kstars/info_url.dat", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 1122:15
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that file does exist?22:16
apacheloggeralso, there must be more references22:16
JontheEchidnayeah, it reads stuff from it22:16
apacheloggerhum hum22:16
apacheloggerme@apoc { ~ }$ apt-file search info_url22:17
apacheloggerkstars-data: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kstars/info_url.dat22:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what does the file in your home contain?22:18
JontheEchidnahere is the relevant part of the trace + a bit after: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/107123/22:18
JontheEchidnathe file in my home contains a bunch of wikipedia and other urls22:19
JontheEchidnaMars:Wikipedia Page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(planet)22:20
JontheEchidnaMars:SEDS Information Page:http://www.seds.org/nineplanets/nineplanets/mars.html22:20
JontheEchidnaMars:NASA Mars Missions:http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html22:20
JontheEchidnaMars:NASA JPL Page:http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/solar_system/planets/mars_index.html22:20
JontheEchidna^for example22:20
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the file in kstars source contains weird numbers as well22:20
* apachelogger installs kstars22:20
apacheloggerwe need to upgrade indi22:20
JontheEchidnaso I'm guessing that the problem is that Mars:Wikipedia Page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(planet)22:23
JontheEchidnaneeds to be Mars:Page Wikipedia?22:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: possibly22:24
JontheEchidnaat least in the french translation, but how do we translate that22:24
apacheloggerit certainly works for me22:24
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: it does not work for you, right?22:24
JontheEchidnait works for me22:25
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JontheEchidnait, apparently, does not work for the french dude in the bug report22:25
JontheEchidnabut I'm not using french22:25
apacheloggeryou are confusing me22:25
* apachelogger should be in bed :P22:25
JontheEchidnait works for me and I'm using english22:26
apacheloggernod nod22:26
apacheloggerwe need the french22:27
mrvaneshey, just upgrade kopete with wlm support but I can't seem to connect... is that a know problem?22:27
apacheloggeron y va!22:27
apacheloggermrvanes: maybe Riddell broke it :P22:28
mrvaneshmm... well, it's a start, isn't it?22:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: works just fine with french22:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: maybe fixed in 4.222:36
apacheloggeror $reporter has a messed up local info file22:36
JontheEchidnamaybe gnome has something to do with it?22:37
JontheEchidnamaybe the stars are aligned wrong? (No pun intended :P)22:37
_neversfeldeyes, gnome did it, gnome is the gardener :)22:38
apacheloggerdoes it just look like it our did we get a priority bumpß22:38
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you were using fr_CA, correct?22:39
neversfeldemcas and Monika|K are going to translate our quassel manual22:40
apacheloggerinstalled via the language selector thingy22:40
JontheEchidnak, just making sure22:40
JontheEchidnahandy that22:40
apacheloggerneversfelde: we have a manual?22:40
neversfeldehope that helps official kubuntu documentation22:40
neversfeldeapachelogger: a german one22:40
apacheloggerwell, you could have written it in english right away :P22:40
apacheloggertranslating from german to english is way more difficult than vice versa22:41
neversfeldeapachelogger: I should not write an english text :)22:41
apacheloggerSput: do you need a manual ^^^^;-)22:41
apacheloggerneversfelde: we should all be speaking japanese anyway22:42
Sputapachelogger: feel free to add it to our wiki :)22:42
apacheloggerSput: no, I mean real documentation22:42
apacheloggerdocbook wise22:42
neversfeldeapachelogger: would be better22:42
Sputapachelogger: I'd take one :)22:42
apacheloggerneversfelde: convert that too docbook22:43
* apachelogger wants quassel in KHC!22:43
Sputapachelogger: we can also add stuff to our repo if needed/wished22:43
neversfeldewhean translation is done, I will port it to a general version22:43
apacheloggerpoor degrade, half dead KHC22:43
neversfeldeapachelogger: claydoh is doing it, ins't he?22:43
apacheloggerSput: stuff like?22:43
apacheloggerneversfelde: doing what?22:43
Sputapachelogger: docbook files :)22:43
neversfeldea docbook file?22:44
apacheloggerSput: well, that is the idea, I am certainly not going to patch them in :P22:44
apacheloggerneversfelde: dunno22:44
* Sput knows next to nothing about docbook tbh22:44
apacheloggerneversfelde: docbook is actually quite easy, much like html just smoother22:44
apacheloggerSput: well, you could/should put it in an individual tarball anyway22:44
apacheloggerand maybe limit it to KDE audience22:44
Sputwhy that?22:45
neversfeldemhh, the german version is a liitle bit out of date, but I think we can update it easily22:45
apacheloggerSput: processing it in KDE is way too easy ... dunno about without-kde22:45
Sputnote that there will be some visible UI changes over the next few weeks22:45
neversfeldea docbook should be more general?22:45
apacheloggerneversfelde: yes, for use in quassel itself22:46
apacheloggerexplaining how client/core works etc.22:46
neversfeldeapachelogger: k, I will write one22:46
neversfeldeif it is needed22:46
apacheloggerneversfelde: documentation is always needed22:46
* apachelogger notes that it's now 1 hour past bedtime22:47
apachelogger~order bed22:47
* kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.22:47
neversfeldeofcourse, but I can do it better in german :(22:47
neversfelden8 apachelogger22:47
apacheloggerneversfelde: well, we can improve it ... but usually someone needs to get such things started22:48
neversfeldewell, hopefully there will be a basic english version in a few days22:48
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JontheEchidnaok, so who is messing with kdebase-workspace at the moment? I've lost track23:52
JontheEchidnakdebase-workspace-data needs a conflict/replace on kde-window-manager (<< 4.1.96) to prevent failure on 4.1.4 upgrades23:53
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