[00:04] where are the instructions on how to install ext4 on an installed 9.04 alpha 3? [00:06] billisnice, Skiessi: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4 [00:07] when i click on the link it is broken [00:07] it's not for me [00:08] link works fine for me too [00:09] for some reason i click on it and it does not for me [00:11] copy and paste it billisnice [00:11] that worked [00:12] Converting an ext3 filesystem to ext4 === emma_ is now known as emma [00:29] can gParted create ext4 partitions? [00:30] No, I don't think so. [00:30] I read that no somewhere. [01:27] Is it possible to have a display stretch across three monitors and two (different) video cards? I've been trying most of the day and can't get a third monitor. [01:28] hay all I am having problems login in, when i log in i get a kdm error, looking at the logs i believe it is [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.15" is not allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display0" due to security policies in the configuration file) [01:29] Naddiseo: what sort of video cards? [01:29] Note that fglrx and nvidia are each incompatible with anything else. [01:29] Radeon HD4850 (which I can get working), and a Nvidia GT7300 [01:29] Yeah, using free drivers [01:29] For both? [01:29] radeon and nv [01:29] ah, then that's not the issue. [01:30] Hmm, try xrandr --verbose (in console); look for anything interesting. [01:30] Naddiseo: No; you can't currently do that. [01:30] OK, that answers that. [01:30] What if I used onboard video instead of the nvidia? [01:30] Hmm. screen-resolution-extra can't help? [01:30] The onboard is some kind of ati [01:31] XRandR 1.2 doesn't support multi-card multi-head. [01:31] Hm. It _might_ be possible using the fglrx drivers, assuming that they support your onboard ati thingy. [01:31] Ah k. [01:31] You might be able to roll back to Intrepid xserver-xorg-core and libdri2, and then use fglrx. [01:31] I'm using fglrx 8.543; anything newer gives a panic. [01:31] Also, last I checked, the nv driver didn't actually handle dual head at all :) [01:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [01:32] Launchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Incomplete] [01:32] The nv just needed to support 1 monitor [01:32] the ati had the duel [01:32] I was trying to have multiple Screen sections in my xorg.conf, one for each card. [01:33] That _might_ work, possibly. [01:33] it detects them, but doesn't use the nv one [01:33] More than simple one-card dual-head sucks quite a lot in current X, methinks. [01:34] This is what I was trying: http://pastebin.ca/1312150 [01:37] I'm unlikely to be any help. I've only ever played with one-card dual head on nvidia (which, incidentally, is a large pool of icecream filled with fluffy kittens lapping at the edges on nouveau) [01:38] Yeah, I was nvidia up until two weeks ago, got annoyed at the drivers :P [01:44] nouveau != nvidia. [01:44] Even better, I believe it'll play nicely with your free ati drivers. [01:44] Hm, yeah, I could try that [01:44] Do I still have to use your PPA? [01:44] (For example, nouveau's 2d performance for me is much, much better than nvidia's) [01:45] No; xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is in Universe, and nouveau-kernel-source is either there too, or is still sitting in NEW. [01:46] Oh, yeah. There it is http://tinyurl.com/99pnas [01:48] Still have to use module-assistant I see. [01:49] No; just install the nouveau-kernel-source package; it's DKMS'd to the nines. [01:50] Hm, I think my mirror is out of date [01:51] It's not in the mirror yet; it's sitting in the NEW queue. [01:52] (That's what the link was). [01:52] ah [01:52] You'd want to download that source package and build it. [01:52] It doesn't have any silly dependencies; basically all it does is copy stuff to /usr/src/nouveau and run dkms. [01:56] can anyone get the "ati" driver working on their system? [01:57] the release notes say it should work, but i've had no luck [01:57] is there some fancy xorg.config line i'm missing? [01:57] Last time I tried nouveau, it didn't work nicely. [01:58] IT massively devoured my CPU, just drawing the desktop. [01:59] My fglrx bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [01:59] Launchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Incomplete] [02:01] Ok, so now I have KDM issues and no sound issues, can anyone help? [02:04] does anyone in this room have the "ati" driver working on their alpha 3 system? [02:06] Can't say I do.. I'm using the radeon driver though. [02:07] * RAOF notes that the "ati" driver _is_ the "radeon" driver. [02:07] l3iggs, working here [02:07] It's just an alias? [02:08] and nouveau installed. [02:08] Naddiseo: Indeed. "ati" is "radeon" on all but the oldest ATi cards. [02:08] l3iggs, whats your problem? did you look Xorg.0.log ? [02:09] DanaG: Yeah, but Naddiseo has a nv4x chip, and that will _fly_ with nouveau. [02:09] Ah. Mine was an NV17. [02:09] ok, let's see if this nouveau/radeon thing will work [02:09] brb [02:09] x1250 yeah, i looked at the log file [02:09] you can look at it here: http://pastebin.com/m61642d4 [02:10] i don't know much, but the only thing that really jumps out at me is this line: [02:10] [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.73" is not allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display0" due to security policies in the configuration file) [02:11] Ooooh, cool. We've turned on xorg-config-as-dbus-service, I see. [02:13] l3iggs, don't know about that line, first time I see something like that. Are you having any noticeable problems? [02:14] l3iggs, here's my xorg.conf, as you asked: http://paste.ubuntu.com/106746/ [02:15] yes, i am having problems, when the login screen is being drawn the cpu goes through the roof, the entire screen is corrupted, i can't log in [02:15] has anyone here used dropbox with ubuntu [02:15] linuxman410, i do [02:16] does it work good with it [02:17] works perfectly [02:17] l3iggs, what does LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo gives you? [02:17] thanks i was getting ready to sign up now [02:17] don't know yet, where does that show up? in the xorg log file? [02:19] hm, X dies with Xinerama [02:19] Least it didn't lock up like with nv. [02:20] l3iggs, open up a terminal [02:21] x1250, one sec, i don't think your xorg.conf file works on my system [02:22] no, it doesn't work [02:22] same issue [02:22] Naddiseo: Nothing's going to support Xinerama :(. [02:22] Yeah, didn't think so. [02:22] l3iggs, open up a terminal and enter: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo [02:22] paste that on pastebin [02:22] ok [02:23] I disabled it. but I can't find much in the Xorg.0.log that mentions nouveau [02:23] Everyone broke Xinerama to get XRandR 1.2 working, and now XRandR 1.3/1.4 is filling in the things that Xinerama used to do. [02:23] what are the default groups that a user should have ? [02:23] hm, it loads nouveau... then doesn't nothing with it [02:24] i can only ssh to the box (can't login locally), when i issue that command i get: "Error: unable to open display" [02:24] Naddiseo: Oooooh. I think I remember this. [02:24] Naddiseo: I think what you need is called "drm multi-master support". IE: both your ATI and nVidia cards need to be able to mess with drm, but currently only one can. [02:25] I see, so it's conflicting ? [02:25] shadowhywind, no groups other than the user group by default, as in user:user [02:25] maybe there's something I'm missing in the log file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/106749/ [02:31] Naddiseo, what does LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo gives? [02:31] you don't have direct rendering, you should fix that. [02:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/106752/ [02:32] x1250, i switch back to vesa driver (only way i can log in locally), run LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo and i get http://pastebin.com/m7b55d80a [02:33] Naddiseo: Hm. It looks like X doesn't think nouveau should be driving any screens. That said, I don't think what you want is currently possible. [02:33] x1250: His RV770 isn't going to get 3d acceleration from any driver currently in the archives. :) [02:34] From what I've read today, it might be possible with xrandr 1.3 ? [02:34] raof, didn't know that was his video card :) thanks [02:34] Naddiseo: I _think_ that xrandr 1.3 will support what you want (possibly requiring changes in drm, but I'm not sure now). [02:36] Hm, ok. I don't mind waiting; I don't desperately need a third monitor. [02:36] l3iggs, whats your video card? [02:37] SAPPHIRE X1950 GT [02:41] l3iggs, things to check: from an ati driver Xorg session, LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo. Also check that you have ubuntu-desktop and xserver-xorg-video-all installed. Also make sure you're running the latest kernel. [02:43] I don't think you're missing xserver-xorg-video-all though, doesn't show any related error on the log. [02:43] i can't run an ati driver xorg session, that's my whole problem. i can't get past the login screen with "ati" or "radeon" [02:43] i'll check the other stuff [02:50] is 2.6.28-4 the right kernel? [02:51] l3iggs, yep [02:51] well everything checks out [02:52] the only thing that stands out here is that dbus permissions error [02:53] i bet you don't get that in your xorg log file [02:54] l3iggs, i'll check [02:55] l3iggs, i do have it =) [02:56] l3iggs, try #radeon [02:56] maybe they can help you more [03:07] ok thanks [03:21] !wine [03:21] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help [03:31] hay all very odd problem, If i say turn on my computer and let kdm start, i can log in and all i get a single terminal screen. However if i switch to a console view (altF2), I have to killall kdm and when i do startx i get kde correctly, any ideas? [04:04] anybody has problems with samba shares ? I have it configured same as in hardy - but it won't work in jaunty - [04:05] maybe apparmour or something else ? [04:05] I just set up a shared directory with a macbook; that worked fine from installing samba to restarting the session to assigning permissions. [04:15] in ibex the shares are visible but not accessible -in jaunty not even visible [04:15] /etc/init.d/samba restart does not work neither [04:15] I will try samba4 [04:16] it is alpha but it might work [04:16] anyone else finding that open office is not opening at all? [04:16] I've tried it from the command line, and I get no output what so ever [04:21] open office works for me [04:22] I tried running it in gdb, it says: "/usr/bin/oocalc": not in executable format: File format not recognized [04:31] on my amd system, this ver is more stable [04:31] alpha 3 [04:35] hrmm.. downloads shaped... I don't think I'll be able to upgrade for a week [04:36] I mean, downgrade... [04:44] * Volkodav fixed samba [05:58] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3 under "Known Issues" says "* While the user-space component of the EXPERIMENTAL nouveau X driver is available in Alpha 2 universe, the kernel modules this driver requires to work are not yet available. The kernel modules should be uploaded soon after Alpha 2." which looks like it's just been cut-and-pasted from the alpha2 page [06:13] * bluesmoke thought 2.6.28 was released already [06:28] bluesmoke: was that in response to me? [06:28] alpha3 has 2.6.28 [06:29] does that mean the item I quoted is no longer relevant? [06:29] * ojwb guesses it either should be removed, or updated to say "alpha3" not "alpha2", but I don't know which [06:32] I dunno [06:32] ojwb: That page says we're using a 2.6.28 rc though [06:42] bluesmoke: that seems to be wrong - I don't have alpha3 here, but a jaunty kernel I installed last week is 2.6.28-4.10 [06:42] not 2.6.28-3.4 [06:42] that's what alpha2 had - more copy-and-paste I guess [07:08] anybody has this bug with skype ? workaround 1 worked for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/273693 [07:08] Launchpad bug 273693 in alsa-lib "biarch alsa-lib path problem with Skype" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:09] yeah - it was a bitch [07:09] now it works ok [07:38] I just completed an Alpha3 x86 alternate installer, it's 2.6.28-4-generic [07:39] Argh, since I can't ctrl-alt-backspace Xorg, I instead had to SAK it. [07:43] heh [07:43] DanaG: I disapprove of that change personally, but hey it's making the most sense for the most users, so yeah [07:43] it's not like we can't go in and re-enable it [07:43] * ojwb has actually managed to accidentally hit that key combo [07:44] though I'd rather there be a GUI option to re-enable it [07:44] but only once in many years [07:44] I've never hit it by missing my aim on a key; I've instead accidentally hit it by _thinking_ the wrong key. [07:44] Wanted ctrl-alt-backslash. [07:45] ojwb: some games map ctrl+backspace, and people hit alt by mistake too [07:45] I understand that [07:45] I've never used ctrl-backspace for games. [07:45] And Alt is TWO keys away. [07:46] I opin that it would be a smoother transition if the GUI option to enable serverkill was already present before changing the default behavior [07:46] I'd run to re-enable it. I'm too lazy if I have to go and edit files [07:46] anyways ext4 is buggy, I mean it bit me in the ass and I lost some data [07:46] Or do what SuSE does: [07:47] going to wait until 2.6.30ish before making a switch to a new fs again [07:47] NOt just ctrl-alt-backspace.... you have to hit it twice for it to work. [07:47] ha [07:47] I'd like there to be some kind of sysrq hook [07:47] but I don't understand the underlying problem well enough to actually request this [07:48] encrypted home dir works well enough from alternate installer btw [07:48] I'm using this now, it's speedier than whole-block encryption thankfully [08:07] hiya === tritium changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (alpha) discussion channel | Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED, it will most certainly break your system in bad ways. Jaunty Alpha 3 CD Images Available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ | Join #ubuntu for Intrepid Ibex (8.10) and previous versions support | "This week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - get involved! === tritium changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (alpha) discussion channel | Jaunty is NOT RELEASED and NOT SUPPORTED, it will most certainly break your system in bad ways. Jaunty Alpha 3 CD Images Available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ | Join #ubuntu for Intrepid Ibex (8.10) and previous versions support | This week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - get involved! [09:35] i got ubuntu 9.04 on my beagleboard (ARM arch) running. [09:36] i got keyboard, mouse and a network adapter connected via USB [09:36] i could even start up gdm [09:37] how do i get networking via USB ethernet adapter configured now? [09:38] yay! [09:38] ScriptRipper: I want to hear more about your experience with beagleboard [09:38] what part of the world are you located in? how much did it cost you to get all needed materials to develop and use the beagleboard? [09:38] i used debootstrap and QEMU to set this up. [09:39] i am in munich [09:40] it cost me ca. 30-40 Euro in addtion to get it working [09:40] thanks for that information [09:40] I had a USB hub already... [09:40] ScriptRipper: if you can see Network Manager icon, right click, and either Preferences or Settings [09:40] self powered [09:41] sorry, i am command line. [09:41] oh okay [09:41] no Network Manager desired? [09:41] gnome display manager i started to see if X11/frame buffer and keyboard / mouse works [09:42] now i got the problem that 128 MB RAM is too small to run a full desktop like gnome or kde. [09:42] you can do this from commandline, but then it conflicts with Network Manager [09:42] so, if you don't need Network Manager it's okay to do it the other way using /etc/network/interfaces configuration file [09:43] the manual page for interfaces(8) has more information about the file format [09:43] use ifup (name) and ifdown (name) to invoke [09:44] it is the same way Debian configures networking normally [09:44] ScriptRipper: if you only want a one-shot configuration, use the standard commands to configure your interface [09:45] ifconfig eth1 up [09:45] ifconfig eth1 XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX netmask YYY.YYY.YYY.YYY [09:45] but its usb connected [09:45] route add default gw ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ [09:45] like that [09:45] ScriptRipper: "ifconfig -a" will show you all connected interfaces [09:46] maybe it will be named usb0? maybe it will just be another ethN like eth1 or eth2 [10:45] how far have you been wrt to a "ready to run" release of jaunty 9.04 ? how "alpha" is it on arm? thats more general questions, to get a feeling about what i can expect [10:51] it's developed mostly for x86 I thought [10:51] that's what I run on [11:10] what i have now seen is that the udev rules are missing. this can be root of that my network adapter gets not detected [11:10] are these completely missing for jaunty on arm? [12:09] Open office isn't working for me (no starting), and isn't giving me any indication of why not, even when run from the console. [12:12] I don't know whether I should report a bug or not, since I have no useful information... [12:16] naught101: perhaps try running it under strace? [12:51] whats new in Jaunty? [12:53] xyz http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3 [12:57] fosco_, sounds way cool [13:02] looks cool also [13:02] have you tried yet? [13:05] yes, i'm on it [13:05] Description: Ubuntu jaunty (development branch) [13:25] hello [13:40] Does GNOME dodge the term 'file type association' and uses another term instead? [13:44] mime types? [13:44] naught101, try deleting (or moving) ~/.openoffice [13:44] x1250: did that, no joy [13:45] naught101, what happens if you run openoffice in a terminal? [13:45] is there any output? [13:45] x1250: no, absolutely none, which is why I haven't submitted a bug yet [13:46] not for oocalc or any other of the oo apps [13:47] naught101, what does aptitude search ~iopenoffice -F "%p" gives you? (pastebin it) [13:48] x1250: http://pastebin.ca/1312503 [13:50] whoa! x1250 I just had the idea to run "sudo oocalc", to see if ti was my user having issues, and it is. [13:50] ie. it runs [13:51] only commandline thing is "illegal flag specified to db_create" [13:52] uhm, odd, it sounds like a permission problem, but no idea where it could be [13:56] yeah, I would expect it to give me a permissions error then [13:56] grrr... did I miss anything? [13:56] try using find ~/ -user root [14:00] x1250: sorry, I missed that find command, had to close my client [14:01] naught101, find ~/ -user root [14:04] x: a heap of stuff in the firectory I moved the .openoffice.org directory to [14:04] (old.openoffice.org) [14:05] x1250: chowned my whole ~ to me, no change... [14:05] damn, this connection is annoying [14:05] naught101, what about id you create a new user? does it work ok? [14:05] id/if [14:05] back in a sec, I'll try it... [14:15] brb [14:17] x1250: ok, I think I needed to restart after deleting .oo.org.. perhaps I had a zombie process or something... [14:17] anyway, it's working now, thanks a lot for your help [14:21] although, the "open" dialogue isn't... [14:28] looks like it's corrupting something in the .openoffice.org dir, and refusing to open until after a reboot, even when that dir has been removed [14:29] oh no, zombie soffice processes [14:49] naught102, did you find the problem? [14:58] how did you passed the ABI stuff on nvidia drivers ? [15:19] zniavre, Section "ServerFlags", Option "IgnoreABI" "True" === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [15:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek to start in #ubuntu-classroom in 17 minutes [16:02] x1250: thank you but it does not work === ZehRique_ is now known as ZehRique [17:05] wola [18:15] where do I place that -ignoreABI ? [18:17] BUGabundo, Section "ServerFlags", Option "IgnoreABI" "True" [18:17] thanks [18:17] does it help? [18:17] or will I still end up with this ugly screen? [18:18] it has helped some, it works. [18:18] BUGabundo, what driver? [18:19] Nvidia [18:19] 180 [18:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/107029/ [18:19] every font is too big, no theme, lots of crashs with a few applets [18:19] to many changes in a single day [18:20] I've seem to have lost the user switch applet again [18:21] BUGabundo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/107030/ [18:22] BUGabundo, are you running gdm? I have problems with the user switch applet if I don't use gdm. [18:22] x1250: yes, gdm has started... I think [18:23] BUGabundo, are you sure your xorg.conf is ok? it seems that "ServerFlags" is in its own line. [18:24] humm [18:24] I run dpkg reconfigure [18:24] and it made a new one [18:24] I added that seccion after you told me too [18:25] is it on the wrong place? [18:25] then paste this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107030/ [18:25] I did [18:25] ahh I see [18:25] the line break [18:26] I did insert it wrong [18:26] fixed [18:26] yep, but I don't know if that could do any trouble [18:26] will know better on next reboot [18:27] BUGabundo, if there are problems, /var/log/Xorg.0.log should say something. Is your 3D hardware accel working? [18:28] humm don't think so [18:28] at least nvidia-settings doesn't [18:28] plus, dualmonitor with bryce tool also fails to enable the 2nd nonitor [18:29] and whar driver says /var/log/Xorg.0.log you're using? [18:29] what* [18:29] Method "ApplyConfiguration" with signature "" on interface "org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.XRANDR" doesn't exist [18:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/107036/ [18:30] BUGabundo, you're using driver nv right now [18:30] I never know [18:31] nv is the prop or OSS? [18:31] try using Driver "nvidia" inside Section Device [18:31] "nv" -> opensource [18:32] nv is the default driver for nvidia [18:39] x1250: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107039/ [18:39] is this correct? [18:41] BUGabundo, looks good to me. When restarting X, if it doesn't work, save a copy of the failed Xorg.0.log [18:41] okay [18:42] by the way does totem play audio for you? [18:42] every other player works! [18:43] it works fine here. Odd... [18:43] yeah [18:43] need to instal debug symbols [18:43] and file a bug to it then [19:01] what version of compiz comes with jaunty? [19:02] $ apt-cache policy compiz Installed: 1:0.7.8-0ubuntu6 [19:02] andresmh: ^^^^^^ [19:02] or use packages.ubuntu.com [19:05] * x1250 is installing kubuntu [19:06] thanks BUGabundo [19:10] hello! [19:10] Using 9.04 alpha 3 on an eee 901 and the touch pad is really choppy, unconfigurable (required SHMconfig but cant enable that) and the wifi driver is not included in the kernel :) [19:11] otherwise, it's significantly faster than 8.10 [19:11] I am using ext4, it's great [19:11] could anyone help me sort out the touchpad or wifi? [19:11] mrintegrity: wifi is in the wiki [19:11] touchpad usually works okay [19:12] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC/Fixes [19:12] BUGabundo: yeah, dont know whats wrong with it. but i know a lot of people have issues with eee c 901 and touchpad [19:12] tyhanks for the link! [19:13] I saw a 1000h that was quite eradic [19:13] really anoying [19:13] wit 8.10 [19:13] yeah, they have a lot of new hardware.. [19:13] peformance on 8.10 was totaly unusable though with 901 [19:14] too much to kept track of [19:14] yup [19:14] I instaled a couple of ubuntuumpc (ex-mobile) and it worked great [19:14] not as fast as xandros [19:14] but it booted in 20 secs after a kernel profile [19:15] cool [19:15] anyone have any idea where you can test the new notifications that were shown on marks blog? [19:16] tretle: AFAIK still hasn't hit the repos [19:16] is the source available anywhere or an svn repo? [19:18] this blog post was a bit misleading - http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=87 [19:19] The notifcations on sabdfl's blog were a mockup. [19:20] yes but in that blog post about alpha 3 andre says the new notifications are in alpha 3 [19:27] is there any possibility of having linux 2.6.29 on Jaunty? [19:32] I remember seeing a video from Shuttleworth about the new notification system for Ubuntu. Is that already in Jaunty alpha 3? [19:34] andresmh: AFAIK no [19:34] I don't have anything yet [19:34] ok :) [19:35] i'm still excited to try jaunty, i'm curious to see if audio works out of the box for my laptop [19:43] andresmh: what's up with the audio? do you have a bug id for it? [19:43] at some point i opened one i think [19:43] but it has evolved [19:44] basically the sound quality is slow [19:44] and using the mic is difficult [19:44] i find pulse very complicated [20:08] Anyone else seeing xchat close intermittently when switching channels? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [20:46] charlie-tca, yes, I do -- it gets a SIGABRT, and apport does not trigger on aborts... [20:47] Thanks. Should I report a bug? [20:48] Ugh, stupid Hamachi.... hasn't been updated in over a year. [20:48] I guess so, but we will need a stacktrace to know what happened. I personally think it is libc6 on memory allocation [20:49] And it crashes nm-system-settings by returning info.driver = (NULL). [20:49] here's what I will do: I will close xchat & reopen it under gdb. Then I will wait for the error again [20:49] brb [20:50] * DanaG ponders ndisswrapping the hamachi Windows driver. [20:50] charlie-tca, I am not running under GDB. Now we just wait... [20:50] s/not/now/ [20:51] Okay. I'll confirm when it happens then. [20:52] * charlie-tca happy not to be going nuts! [20:52] if you opened the bug, please give me the #; otherwise I will open it [20:52] I have not opened it. I thought I could confirm when you do. [20:53] k, np [21:20] * user___ thinks would be great if jaunty could do real fullscreen in virtualbox, even gparted live cd does it, which is is based on debian IIRC [21:22] (nm-system-settings:17953): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: instance of invalid non-instantiatable type `(null)' [21:22] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [21:22] in nm-system-settings. [21:23] should fstab be empty in 9.04 ? [21:23] system works with empty fstab o_O [21:28] Hey I am running jaunty, does anyone here know how to convert EXT3 to EXT4? [21:28]