tychegreg-g: The text listed is actually MORE restrictive than the license actually is, so the post is still protected.  And no, it's more like saying "I use Linux" and having the link go to Ubuntu.com00:00
greg-gtyche: CC:BY is LESS restrictiv than BY-SA00:00
tycheNo, it's MORE restrictive.  BY means that you HAVE to attribute the post to the original author.  SA means that you are PERMITTED to share-alike.00:01
greg-gtyche: actually not.00:02
greg-gCreative Comons is my employer00:02
greg-gBY is the least restictive license00:02
greg-gyou still HAVE to attribute the post if it is under BY-SA00:03
tycheYea, and I've been studying Copyright in conjunction to the TSCOG fiasco for the past 4 1/2 years.00:03
greg-gAttribution is the thing which is required in ALL CC licenses.00:03
tycheHowever, If you want to call johnc4510 out on it, feel free.00:03
greg-gtyche: sorry if you feel that I am calling John out on it, I am just saying that what he is saying and what he is linking to is differnt, and why not have those be the same.00:04
tyche"Authors can either not restrict modification, or use Share-alike (sa), which is a copyleft requirement that requires that any derived works be licensed under the same license, or No derivatives (nd), which requires that the work not be modified.." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons00:06
greg-gtyche: I'm not going to argue what the CC licenses mean with you. Especially if you wikipedia as opposed to the actual text of the license.00:07
tycheBTW, CC even SAYS to go to the wikipedia link for further information00:07
greg-guse the legal text, _that_ is what matters00:07
greg-gand where does CC say that?00:07
snap-lIIRC, CC licenses are pretty much all By Attribution00:07
tycheFrom the license:  'Share Alike. If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.'00:08
snap-lthe only ones that aren't are not CC, they're GPL00:08
greg-gtyche: right, in addition to attributing it to the original author00:08
snap-lThe only differences are whether or not there's commercial or share alike00:08
tychegreg-g: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Main_Page, bottom of the page00:09
greg-gsnap-l: right (or NoDerivs, too)00:09
tyche"Also Visit Creative Commons Wikipedia Pages in Your Language"00:09
snap-lThe only alternatives for no attribution are GPL or PD and their variants.00:09
greg-gtyche: that doesn't mean "take wikipedia as legal advice"00:10
greg-gthat just means "here are some other pages that talk about CC"00:10
tycheyep.  But considering that CC makes the suggestion and the links, it adds credance to them00:11
snap-lChrist, using Wikipedia for Legal advice is akin to doing brain surgery from Grey's Anatomy (the book, not the show)00:11
greg-gtyche: what it means is "hey, if you can't read this page becase you speak a different language, go here to learn about CC in your native language"00:12
greg-gwe are not saying "wikipedia is the place to get your answers regarding CC"00:12
greg-gand even if it did, you are misunderstanding a very vital point of all the CC licenses, they _all_ require attribution and BY-SA is _more_ restrictive than BY (just like the GPL is more restrictive than the MIT license)00:13
tycheBTW, at the bottom of the CC wiki page, I see a nice little symbol and some text.  The text reads: "Except where otherwise noted, content on this site is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License"00:13
tycheThe symbol and the link are to CC-BY00:13
greg-gyes, so they match00:14
greg-gjohn says the same thing but links to the BY-SA license00:14
tycheThe text does NOT say BY00:14
greg-g"BY" is shorthand for "Attribution"00:14
greg-glook at this link, and the text on the page: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/00:15
tycheYes, I know that.  And it's on the symbol.  But NOT in the text.00:15
greg-gtyche: BY = attribution, SA = shareAlke, NC = NonCommercial, ND = NoDerivative00:16
snap-lLicensor designate another party or parties (e.g., a sponsor institute, publishing entity, journal) for attribution ("Attribution Parties") in Licensor's copyright notice, terms of service or by other reasonable means, the name of such party or parties; (ii)00:16
snap-lThat's 4B under BY.00:16
tycheOn that same link, see "Share Alike":  "You allow others to distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs your work."  The word "allow" is a permission, not a restriction.00:17
snap-lby-sa: 4b00:17
greg-gtyche: you're reading it wrong.00:17
tycheThat's what the text says.00:17
greg-gthe key word there is "only"00:17
greg-gtyche: if you don't believe me, go to #CC and ask which is more restrictive, BY or By-SA00:18
snap-lEvery single license that's CC has the restriction under 4B about By Attribution00:18
snap-lAttribution is a given restriction. Share Alike is permission to share. Non-commercial is a restriction. No Derivs is also a restriction00:19
greg-gsnap-l: sort-of00:19
snap-lShare-Alike is the only one that provides explicit permission00:19
greg-gBY-SA means if you use the work, anything created using it MUST be licensed under BY-SA00:20
tycheOf course, the BY is in all of them.  But the "Share Alike" is a permission, not a restriction.  It allows you to do certain things as long as certain requirements are met (attribution and same license used)00:20
snap-lRight right00:20
snap-lBY allows you to do whatever as long as you atribute the original authot00:20
greg-gright, which is more restrictive than only BY, because I can use your BY-only licensed work in my book and re-license it All Rights reserved00:20
greg-geither way, none of this matters for the issue at hand: what the blog post says and what it links to are different, why not make them match?00:21
greg-gand, I have to go00:21
greg-gtake care00:21
greg-glove the work (really do)00:21
PiciI'm working on a supybot plugin that will use gdata to read google calendars.  Would it be correct to say that every event will always have the channel name in the location field for each event? Perferable as the first word?18:08
james_wnot every event will be in a channel I expect18:10
PiciWell, events that are in channels.18:11
PiciI just looked at a few more events, I may just grab the first word that starts with a hash instead.18:11
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