[00:00] <MianoSM> Nice is process scheduling.
[00:01] <soulresin> no sense of humor.
[00:02] <maxbaldwin> soulresin: I have a sense of humor
[00:02] <soulresin> i noticed that.
[00:02] <soulresin> maxbaldwin: i like the cut of your jib.
[00:02] <maxbaldwin> thank you.
[00:39] <the_squircle> Does anybody know how to change the mirror from the command line (apt-config something?)?
[01:15] <MatBoy> how stable is ubuntu-server comparing to Debian stable ? OK, stable has very old packages
[01:20] <maxb> It's hard to quantify that sort of thing, really. but given I happily run Debian *testing* on a server, I'd wouldn't have concerns about using Ubuntu on a server
[01:46] <MatBoy> maxb: I have used sarge for years when it was in testing.. really great !
[01:47] <MatBoy> maxb: I have some issues with the sarge packages... too old (again)
[01:50] <p_quarles> MatBoy: I run 8.04 on a VPS - it hasn't had any stability problems since I first booted
[01:51] <p_quarles> MatBoy: but it is hard to quantify; use cases vary so dramatically
[01:51] <p_quarles> hence why "works for me!" is usually not a good answer :)
[02:04] <MatBoy> p_quarles: I have a server running about 2 years now with Ubuntu and without any problems
[02:04] <MatBoy> so
[02:04] <MatBoy> Ubuntu is well documented
[02:04] <MatBoy> Debian isn't
[02:04] <MatBoy> and old
[02:04] <MatBoy> and politics
[02:05] <MatBoy> and no support when you barely need it
[02:05] <MatBoy> so
[02:05] <MatBoy> ubuntu all the way ;)
[02:05] <MatBoy> (but I need to change the root-pass ;))
[02:05] <p_quarles> whatever, Debian's great too
[02:06] <p_quarles> and Lenny is on the verge of release, and I understand has fewer outstanding bugs at this point than Etch does
[02:06] <p_quarles> perfectly reasonable to use that for a high availability esrver
[02:06] <p_quarles> server, even
[02:17] <MatBoy> p_quarles: yes true
[02:17] <MatBoy> but the question if if they will make it with the release
[03:27] <Ying>  hi. i am looking for the drive to my ZTE modem, model MF622 HSDPA USB MODEM.
[03:28] <Ying> where can i find it?
[06:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318649 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "not sure was loading update and system reported a bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318649
[07:21] <smultron> anyone in here set up mailgraph?
[07:21] <smultron> i'm just getting broken images on the cgi webpage
[08:53] <kraut> moin
[09:27] <[gnubie]> i don't have a gui and i am running ubuntu server 8.04 lts.. is there a detailed documentation about the upstart since sysv initscript is gone?
[10:45] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318703 in nagios-plugins (universe) "nagios check_smtp expects integer instead of double" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318703
[10:48] <c64zottel> hello, i have running an opvpn server, and now i am wondering why there are 2 ip's in the tunnel, my server is 10.23.0.1, but what is 10.23.0.2 good for?
[10:48] <c64zottel> ﻿tun0      Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
[10:48] <c64zottel> ﻿﻿inet addr:10.23.0.1  P-t-P:10.23.0.2  Mask:255.255.255.255
[10:52] <Nafallo> endpoint
[10:54] <c64zottel> Nafallo: there is no connection, and the endpoint gets an ip address from a pool like 10.23.0.2 - 10.23.0.254, and also, there could be much more connections as just one
[11:09] <Deeps> c64zottel: because you're using a point to point tunnel, which needs each endpoint defined
[11:10] <Deeps> if it makes you uncomfortable or you experience any oddities, you can switch to using tap devices instead
[11:10] <c64zottel> Deeps: i guess i am reading it right now in opvpn FAQ: ifconfig-pool option use a /30 subnet, cause of some window-stuff
[11:10] <c64zottel> i am right?
[11:11] <Deeps> on point to point tunnels, yep
[11:11] <c64zottel> so, it is a connection between linux and the real endpoint
[11:12] <c64zottel> Deeps: thank you
[11:14] <Deeps> all i did was expand on what Nafallo said
[11:19] <c64zottel> Deeps: no offense, but just endpoint gives me nothing, ok, i didn't ask that much details, but i expected a bit more.
[11:25] <Jeeves_> Q: If I use ubuntu-vm-builder, how do I log in?
[11:33] <yann2> Jeeves_ > you can specify a login and password
[11:34] <Jeeves_> How>
[11:34] <Jeeves_> ?
[11:34] <Jeeves_> Where?
[11:34] <yann2> ah its in the arguments somewhere :)
[11:34] <Jeeves_> !canonical-- # No manual entry for ubuntu-vm-builder
[11:34] <yann2> just run it without arguments
[11:35] <Jeeves_> You cannot enter a password
[11:35] <yann2> well I use --user and --ssh-user-key
[11:35] <yann2> but I think there is a password argument too
[11:35] <Jeeves_> It's really great that canonical writes all these scripts
[11:35] <yann2> and my version isn't the default one in hardy
[11:35] <Jeeves_> But *SO* annoying that there is no documentation
[11:35] <Jeeves_> I'm running Jaunty
[11:36] <yann2> then it should be fine
[11:36] <yann2> give #ubuntu-virt a try you may get better support
[11:36] <yann2> if you run it without argument is should display the documentation though
[11:36] <Jeeves_> Thanks
[11:36] <Jeeves_> didn't know that was around
[11:36] <Jeeves_> yann2: 'man' should always work :)
[11:37] <yann2> I didn't say there wasn't any problem :)
[11:53] <frippz> I'm looking for a suitable FTP-server along with a web interface to administer FTP-users
[11:53] <frippz> any suggestions?
[13:05] <yann2> cant remember :x
[13:05] <yann2> oups wrong windows :)
[14:53] <Deeps> hmm
[14:54] <Deeps> upgraded my 8.04.1 server to .2, new kernel etc
[14:54] <Deeps> now on reboot it hangs configuring network interfaces
[15:02] <_ruben> .2 is out? must've missed that announcement
[15:04] <Deeps> i didnt realise it was either til the machine didnt come back from reboot and i saw it in grub
[15:04] <Deeps> appears to be sendmail hanging
[15:11] <Deeps> indeed, at boot time, it brings up eth0, which in turn tries to bring up sendmail, which attempts to do a host on eth0's ip, which hangs
[15:12] <ivoks> bringing eth0 up, brings sendmail?
[15:12] <ivoks> what did you do to your /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:12] <Deeps> indeed, it's in if-up.d
[15:12] <Deeps> no idea why
[15:12] <ivoks> why?
[15:12] <Deeps> # This script is called when a network device comes up.
[15:12] <Deeps> #
[15:12] <Deeps> # Here is where we'll start sendmail if needed.
[15:12] <Deeps> #
[15:12] <Deeps> # Written By Richard Nelson <cowboy@debian.org>
[15:12] <ivoks> hehe
[15:12] <ivoks> you are wrong, ubuntu doesn't provide that in that file
[15:13] <ivoks> that was a custom made change
[15:13] <Deeps> i certainly didnt!
[15:13] <ivoks> oh, sendmail
[15:13] <Deeps> it's in if-down.d too
[15:13] <Deeps> post-down even
[15:13] <ivoks> ah, directory?
[15:13] <Deeps> hmm?
[15:13] <ivoks> i thought it's in your /etc/network/interfaces file
[15:14] <Deeps> nope, certainly not
[15:14] <ivoks> so, sendmail fails to start?
[15:14] <Deeps> root@router:/etc/network# find /etc/network| grep sendmail
[15:14] <Deeps> /etc/network/if-down.d/sendmail
[15:14] <Deeps> /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail
[15:14] <Deeps> /etc/network/if-post-down.d/sendmail
[15:15] <Deeps> eth0 ip 192.168.1.254, at boot time it tries to bring up sendmail, which in turn tries to host 192.168.1.254, and it hangs there
[15:15] <Deeps> well, it tries to birng up eth0, wihch in turn prompts the sendmail in if-up.d
[15:15] <ivoks> what's in /etc/hosts?
[15:15] <Deeps> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[15:15] <Deeps> 127.0.1.1       router.truman.lan       router
[15:15] <Deeps> 192.168.1.254   router.truman.lan       router
[15:15] <ivoks> ?
[15:16] <ivoks> that doesn't look good
[15:16] <ivoks> remove the middle line
[15:16] <Deeps> i added the 3rd line just before reboot attempt number 12
[15:16] <ivoks> remove the second line
[15:16] <ivoks> leave the 3rd
[15:16] <Deeps> removed
[15:16] <Deeps> killed bind, host still hangs
[15:16] <ivoks> now reboot
[15:17] <Deeps> brb then, this machine doubles as my adsl router
[15:17] <ivoks> :)
[15:20] <Deeps> nope, still hangs
[15:21] <Deeps> commented out auto eth0 from interfaces, rebooted, got a shell prompt, tried to birng it up and it works
[15:21] <Deeps> take it down, kill bind, do it again, it hangs
[15:21] <Deeps> watching ps ax indicates that when host times out, it tries again
[15:21] <ivoks> so, network starts before bind
[15:21] <ivoks> and sendmail script tries to find a hostname of that ip
[15:22] <Deeps> yep
[15:22] <ivoks> that shouldn't hang if everything is ok in /etc/nsswitch.conf
[15:22]  * Deeps looks
[15:22] <mathiaz> hello ivoks !
[15:22] <ivoks> mathiaz: hi
[15:22] <ivoks> Deeps: grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
[15:22] <Deeps> hosts:          files dns
[15:22] <ivoks> egrep even :)
[15:23] <Deeps> line above you
[15:23] <ivoks> Deeps: and your /etc/resolv.conf?
[15:23] <Deeps> search truman.lan
[15:23] <Deeps> nameserver 127.0.0.1
[15:23] <Deeps> nameserver 192.168.1.254
[15:23] <Deeps> middle i added recently
[15:23] <Deeps> in an attempt to fix (which clearly didnt work)
[15:24] <alaz> hey. anyone thats good with routing between two subnets?
[15:24] <Deeps> i figured lo would be up by then, and connect refuse host, and cause it to carry on, didnt account for sendmail to loop host til it succeeded
[15:24] <ivoks> Deeps: how about removing those nameservers?
[15:24] <ivoks> Deeps: that's a bug in sendmail script
[15:24] <Deeps> pretty sure this behaviour is new, just dist-upgraded to .2
[15:24] <ivoks> Deeps: sendmail didn't change in 8.04
[15:25] <Deeps> :> /etc/resolv.conf; host 192.168.1.254; times out
[15:26] <alaz> I got two subnets connected. 10.0.0.0 net is where the gateway for internet is located. 10.0.1.0 net has internet access but cant connect to other comps on the network. is there a way to route traffic between pcs on the two nets?
[15:27] <ivoks> Deeps: does 'host localhost' works?
[15:27] <Deeps> ah
[15:27] <Deeps> found the problem
[15:27] <Deeps> i'm using bind9-host
[15:28] <Deeps> switched to normal host and it works properly
[15:28] <ivoks> well, bind9-host is default
[15:28] <ivoks> and that shouldn't be a problem
[15:28] <Deeps> it wasn't on here
[15:29] <Deeps> i dont think it was, anyway
[15:29] <Deeps> might have been the ovh box it wasn't
[15:30] <Deeps> killing bind, using bind9-host, it times out looking up 192.168.1.254
[15:30] <Deeps> killing bind, using host, it successfully looks up
[15:30] <ivoks> dnsutils depends on bind9-host | host
[15:30] <ivoks> bind9-host works on my machine without bind with no problems
[15:31] <Deeps> without any reachable nameservers?
[15:31] <Deeps> for resolution of ips in your hosts file?
[15:31] <ivoks> right, it doesn't
[15:31] <Deeps> there's the problem then i think
[15:31] <ivoks> not even for hosts in /etc/hosts
[15:32] <ivoks> hm
[15:32] <ivoks> Deeps: you shouldn't use localhost|local ip as a DNS, anyway
[15:32] <ivoks> :)
[15:32] <ivoks> but that doesn't change a thing
[15:33] <Deeps> well it's the local caching nameserver for the lan
[15:34] <ivoks> host should read /etc/hosts first
[15:34] <Deeps> bind9-host appears to ignore it
[15:34] <ivoks> it doesn't work as expected, it ignores /etc/nsswitch.conf
[15:34] <ivoks> that's a bug
[15:34] <Deeps> so i've found two bugs in one go? nice
[15:34] <ivoks> only one :)
[15:35] <Deeps> sendmail looping host isnt a bug?
[15:35] <ivoks> no, it relays on a working functionality
[15:35] <ivoks> could be a whishlist bug
[15:36] <Deeps> wont let me file a bug against it
[15:36] <Deeps> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+package/bind9-host
[15:36] <ivoks> it's a bind9, not bind9-host
[15:36] <Deeps> alrighty
[15:37] <ivoks> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/bind9
[15:41] <ivoks> Deeps: good catch
[15:42] <ivoks> zul: ping
[15:42] <zul> ivoks: yo homie
[15:43] <Deeps> ivoks: can you confirm? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/318828
[15:43] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 318828 in bind9 "bind9-host does not respect /etc/nsswitch.conf" [Undecided,New]
[15:43] <ivoks> zul: bug #227410
[15:43] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 227410 in bacula "[SRU] catalog Backup fails because .my.cnf is not read" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227410
[15:43] <maswan> host has alwasy just asked dns, "getent hosts" is a much better way of going through ns
[15:43] <ivoks> zul: that's fixed in hardy proposed, and it's fixed on native upload in intrepid and jaunty
[15:43] <zul> ivoks: ok
[15:44] <ivoks> zul: SRU is requested, and people reported that proposed version works for them
[15:44] <ivoks> zul: what else do we need to get this into updates? :)
[15:44] <maswan> I frequently use host vs getent hosts to determine differences between dns and hosts in case of trouble..
[15:44] <zul> ivoks: people reporting it in the bug report saying that it works? ;)
[15:44] <ivoks> zul: it worked for one guy and me
[15:44] <ivoks> zul: no one else said anything :)
[15:45] <zul> ivoks: please update the bug repot then
[15:45] <Deeps> maswan: either host needs to respect nsswitch.conf, or the sendmail startup script needs to use getent hosts or whatever instead; there's a bug somewhere though
[15:46] <maswan> Deeps: I'd say sendmail fix is needed, documentation for host say that it is a DNS lookup utility, not a generic name lookup utility
[15:47] <Deeps> maswan: please comment on bug 318828 then!
[15:47] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 318828 in bind9 "bind9-host does not respect /etc/nsswitch.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318828
[15:47] <maswan> More of a user friendly dig than a good way of determining how hosts resolve
[15:47] <maswan> Sure
[15:48] <Deeps> what purposes does the hosts line in nsswitch serve then?
[15:49] <maswan> Deeps: For everything that resolves through libc, those rules apply.
[15:49] <Deeps> ok
[15:49]  * Deeps reboots now with host instead of bind9 host in the hopes it works
[15:49] <maswan> since host is for diagnosing dns etc, it has it's own resolving logic
[15:50] <ivoks> i would expect it to read /etc/nsswitch.conf, or, at least, my /etc/hosts
[15:51] <Deeps> back to normal
[15:51]  * Deeps files a bug against sendmail too then
[15:52] <maswan> ivoks: Well, it'd still differ in some corner cases I'd expect, since it doesn't use the libc resolver.
[15:54] <Deeps> i wonder if apt and v6 will play nice again now too
[15:54] <maswan> ivoks: hosts in ldap, nis, etc are very unlikely to be queried and parsed by host
[15:54] <ivoks> true
[15:54] <ivoks> this is a sendmail bug
[15:54] <Deeps> :P
[15:54] <ivoks> Deeps: sorry for misleading you
[15:54] <Deeps> that was my first instinct too
[15:55] <ivoks> Deeps: i'll close your bug :)
[15:55] <Deeps> ta
[15:56] <Deeps> "sendmail uses 'host' instead of 'getent hosts' to determine local ip resolution"?
[15:56] <maswan> yeah
[15:56] <ivoks> Deeps: right; you really love sendmail?
[15:56] <Deeps> not really, it was installed by default
[15:56] <ivoks> by default?
[15:56] <ivoks> sendmail?
[15:56] <maswan> I'll not comment on the bug then
[15:57] <ivoks> maswan: you can, sure
[15:57] <Deeps> i assume so, i cant see any reason why i'd have installe... oh
[15:57] <Deeps> probably installed it for a website i was developing for a friend
[15:57] <maswan> Actually, I just had it all typed out. So "comment", then head off for dinner. :)
[15:57] <ivoks> Deeps: we install postfix by default, and there could be an error where exim could get installed, but no, not sendmail
[15:57] <ivoks> we love our users :D
[15:58] <Deeps> postfix isn't installed, nor was it by default (mail-server task wasn't requested)
[15:58] <ivoks> Deeps: if you install any app that requires MTA, you'll get postfix or, in some strange cases, exim
[15:58] <Deeps> wasn't a packaged app, i just needed an MTA for the oscommerce site i was customising
[15:59] <Deeps> sendmail was what i'd used in the past without fuss
[15:59] <ivoks> ok
[15:59] <ivoks> i've just heard people complaining on debian's packaging of sendmail, which we include in ubuntu too (in universe)
[16:00]  * Deeps removes
[16:05] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318828 in bind9 (main) "bind9-host does not respect /etc/nsswitch.conf" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318828
[16:33] <alaz> One question about routing: I got two subnets connected. 10.0.0.0 net is where the gateway for internet is located. 10.0.1.0 net has internet access but cant connect to other comps on the network. is there a way to route traffic between pcs on the two nets?
[16:33] <alaz> not just internet from the router on 10.0.0.1
[16:36] <simplexio> alaz: do you mean that 10.0.0.0/24 is on eth0 and 10.0.1.0/24 is behind eth1. and you wat acces from that computer to both subnets or what
[16:48] <Deeps> alaz: the default router for clients on the 10.0.0.0/24 subnet needs to know to route 10.0.1.0/24 to the ip address of the machine in hte middle of both subnets
[16:51] <Deeps> alaz: likewise the default router of the machines in 10.0.1.0/24 needs to know to route 10.0.0.0/24 to that same machine
[17:10] <alaz> Deeps: the router is connected to 10.0.0.3. so i should create a route 10.0.1.0 - 10.0.0.3?
[17:12] <Deeps> alaz: i dont understand your network layout, if you could draw a diagram it'd be easier to explain to you
[17:13] <alaz> Deeps: og give me a few minutes
[17:19] <frippz> I'm looking for a suitable FTP-server along with a web interface to administer FTP-users, any suggestions?
[17:19] <Deeps> ebox with whatever ftpd's included in main?
[17:19] <frippz> Deeps: right, forgot about ebox. will check it out! thanks
[17:20] <spiekey> hello!
[17:21] <spiekey> any idea how to fix this? http://pastebin.com/m3516281a
[17:26] <spiekey> anyone?
[17:26] <henriquelm> hello there
[17:26] <yann2> looks painful spiekey
[17:27] <yann2> I had the same issue once.. very painful
[17:27] <yann2> can't remember how I fixed it
[17:27] <yann2> doesnt work with aptitude neither?
[17:27] <henriquelm> Can anyone tell me how can I setup ubuntu's vnc to start running since the logon screen?
[17:27] <spiekey> whats the command line command? i dont like the gui
[17:29] <alaz> Deeps: http://jabrahamsen.com/Drawing4.jpg
[17:29] <z10dej> Please, give me some link for quick gid. (for dummer):-D
[17:30] <Deeps> alaz: is 10.0.1.1 also on the 10.0.0.0/24 network?
[17:30] <alaz> yep
[17:30] <Deeps> alaz: what's its 10.0.0.0/24 ip?
[17:31] <alaz> eth0: 10.0.0.3 eth1: 10.0.1.1
[17:31] <alaz> has its own dhcpd
[17:31] <Deeps> 10.0.0.3 is assigned to another pc according to your diagram
[17:31] <alaz> Deeps: its just a typing error.
[17:31] <Deeps> ok
[17:32] <Deeps> on 10.0.0.1, add a route to 10.0.1.0/28 via 10.0.0.3
[17:33] <z10dej> Please, give me some link for quick gid for server configurations. (for dummer):-D
[17:34] <Deeps> z10dej: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[17:35] <henriquelm> Can anyone tell me how can I make Ubuntu's VNC to work on the logon screen?
[17:35] <z10dej> Deeps: thenks.  Russian server ha
[17:35] <z10dej> Deeps: Rassian server is clear in this qastion:)
[17:43] <zoopster> spiekey: not sure why yann2 thinks it's painful...dpkg is the right tool to use, but you need to find out why nagios is complaining...need more detail than what you are showing
[17:43] <MatBoy> sre there any package disadvanatges on the 64 bits version ?
[17:43] <MatBoy> *disadvantages
[17:44] <Deeps> anyone here knowledgeable with ipv6 and apt?
[17:44] <yann2> zoopster > basically when a package's uninstall script doesnt work (breaks, return 1) the script doesnt get removed
[17:45] <zoopster> yann2: understood, but that doesn't mean its painful...there is always a reason for it
[17:45] <yann2> yes but well it took me quite a while to figure it out last time :)
[17:45] <yann2> and last time I think the reason was a bug
[17:46] <zoopster> yann2: ah...painful to YOU. Ok.
[17:46] <yann2> zoopster > well I'm all listening :) how do you do when a package refuses to uninstall? but thanks for the nice hint that I'm stupid :)
[17:47] <zoopster> yann2: wow...wrong side of the bed today?
[17:47] <yann2> or bad english, I must have misunderstood :)
[17:49] <zoopster> yann2: I only said that it's painful to you. I have had the same problem and quite recently...I dug through to figure out what caused it and fixed it...turns out that my problem was a bug as well, but the remedy was rather simple...install again and remove correctly
[17:49] <yann2> how do you reinstall if its already installed? dpkg-reconfigure?
[17:51] <zoopster> yann2: sorry...too much to write there...the package was partially removed...or I guess partially installed.
[17:54] <Deeps> alaz: what tool did you use to draw your network map?
[18:09] <frippz> Deeps: are you sure that there even exists modules for any kind of ftp-server for ebox?
[18:10] <Deeps> frippz: well pro and pureftpd both use system user accounts for their authentication by default
[18:10] <Deeps> frippz: as does vsftpd
[18:10] <Deeps> frippz: so once you've installed it, all you need to do is add users without shell access
[18:10] <frippz> Deeps: ah well, that's true. I used that method before but with webmin
[18:10] <Deeps> i'm sure ebox has user management in it, which is what you originally asked for iirc
[18:11] <Deeps> !webmin | frippz
[18:11] <Deeps> ^^ that would be why i recommended ebox
[18:11] <uvirtbot`> Deeps: Error: "^" is not a valid command.
[18:11] <frippz> ah :D
[18:12] <frippz> damn... I better remove those install that are already present then :)
[18:12] <frippz> *webmin installs
[18:12]  * frippz purges webmin from five servers at once ^^
[18:15] <frippz> Deeps: I was actually thinking about using MySQL auth or something like that
[18:16] <Deeps> frippz: proftpd has a mysql auth module
[18:16] <dinsdale07> Does this line mean that the httpd process is started by init? It's a line from ps -ef:        www-data 13833     1  0 13:56 ?        00:00:01 /usr/sbin/httpd
[18:16] <Deeps> frippz: vsftpd might too
[18:16] <yann2> dinsdale07 > try pstree
[18:16] <yann2> but yes
[18:16] <frippz> this will be a server where clients uploads stuff to us, but they should all have their own home dir, so maybe system accounts will be better suited for this
[18:20] <dinsdale07> yann2 - with pstree the same process shows up as perl: "  |-perl,13833     ". I don't understand how to find out about how this process was started.
[18:22] <dinsdale07> htop on the other hand shows /sbin/init as the PID
[18:30] <frippz> Deeps: are there any alternatives to ebox?
[18:41] <Deeps> frippz: sure, loads, none of wihch are supported by ubuntu though
[18:41] <DawnLight1> hello. i've followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Exim4 after that I couldn't use SMTP from my home e-mail client so i've changed dc_relay_domains from '' to '*' and now it seems that my exim is not asking for any authentication. why isn't it asking for authentication?
[18:41] <frippz> Deeps: yeah, I read up a bit on it just now
[18:42] <frippz> Deeps: I find ebox a bit lacking. I'll have to check it a bit more before I pass any real judgment though :)
[18:59] <ivoks> zul: i don't understand pitti's comment :)
[19:01] <zul> ivoks: bug # again?
[19:04] <ivoks> sorry, wasn't here :)
[20:15] <albertico> hi
[20:15] <albertico> has anybody tried zfs on ubuntu?
[20:15] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318915 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "max_connections fixed to 886" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318915
[20:19] <p_quarles> albertico: since it doesn't exist, no
[20:20] <albertico> hmm... what about the zfs-fuse?
[20:20] <p_quarles> did that ever go anywhere?
[20:21] <albertico> p_quarles, I have read about issues on performance
[20:21] <albertico> p_quarles, then, any suggestions on a filesystem with snapshot/copy-on-write capabilites?
[20:22] <p_quarles> right, but is that proejct still even in active development? haven't heard anything frmo zfs-fuse in a while
[20:22] <p_quarles> btrfs is in the newest kernels
[20:23] <albertico> p_quarles, everything I have found so far points only to experimental use of btrfs for now
[20:24] <albertico> p_quarles, have you tried it?
[20:24] <p_quarles> no, I have not, and yes, it is still experimental'
[20:24] <p_quarles> but unlike zfs-fuse, it is actually still being actively developed
[20:25] <albertico> p_quarles, ok... so I read...
[20:25] <p_quarles> in any event, I think a need for those features would mean using Solaris at this point
[20:25] <albertico> p_quarles, how about ext3cow... any advice you can give?
[20:26] <p_quarles> not something I'm familiar with
[20:26] <p_quarles> but, it sounds like a workaround, and I prefer to avoid those if possible
[20:26] <p_quarles> particularly since there is a free version of Solaris now
[20:27] <albertico> p_quarles, well, there is someone marketing win 2003 shadow copy on my work...
[20:27] <p_quarles> I don't follow
[20:27] <albertico> p_quarles, so I am looking for a similar functionality
[20:28] <p_quarles> Oh, I see what you mean
[20:28] <albertico> p_quarles, it's a windows "feature" that creates snapshots of files
[20:28] <p_quarles> like I said, OpenSolaris gives you ZFS -- Ubuntu doesn't, and won't have that until btrfs is here
[20:30] <albertico> p_quarles, ok... I will stick to my strategy of using vfs plugins for samba... or maybe switching to freebsd for my file servers...
[20:30] <ivoks> albertico: then't you'll move back when brtfs goes stable :D
[20:31] <albertico> ivoks, yep ;)
[20:34] <albertico> p_quarles, thanks for your feedback
[20:34] <p_quarles> sure
[20:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318954 in krb5 (main) "Please sync krb5 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318954
[21:54] <jetole> hey guys
[21:55] <jetole> I am looking for a cheap data center to host a DNS server for me. This will be a tertiary DNS server running TinyDNS simply to make sure all of our DNS are not hosted on the same subnet/AS/datacenter
[21:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318975 in kerberos-configs (universe) "Please sync kerberos-configs 1.22 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318975
[21:55] <jetole> can anyone recommend a trustworthy company that will be fairly cheap?
[22:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #296719 in kerberos-configs (universe) "kerberos-configs fails to configure if dnsdomainname fails" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296719
[22:35] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #318994 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.0.67-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1, server cannot bind to port" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318994
[22:43] <knottyer> Sendmail ques re Ubuntu 8.04: Sendmail is running on my sendmail.server box. As seen from there, port 25 is open (nmap -p25 localhost), but closed when viewed from other Ubuntu 8.04 boxes on local network (nmap -p25 sendmail.server). On sendmail.server, firewall is off, TCPwrappers allows all traffic from local network, and there are no errors in mail.log.  /etc/pam.d/ holds no sendmail modules.  Local network is a subdom
[22:43] <knottyer> ain of 192.168, and sendmail's access file set to "192.168   RELAY".  Any ideas on what could be causing this weird behavior?
[22:45] <knottyer> Additional info: All firewalling takes place at the gateway, not between boxes on my domain.