| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173932 | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | KDE bug 173932 in general "crashes immediatly when fully loaded" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] | 00:05 |
| JontheEchidna | and it's fixed for KDE 4.1.4. Bonus! | 00:05 |
| nixternal | hey, anyone know where the "clean" font comes from in KDE 4? I cannot find out where it gets installed from | 00:07 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't see it | 00:11 | |
| nixternal | interesting...it is coming in from somewhere and I cannot find the damn thing on my machine | 00:12 |
| seele | how do you schedule meetings on the fridge? | 00:18 |
| === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde | ||
| Riddell | seele: tell nixternal to add them | 01:01 |
| seele | Riddell: ok | 01:06 |
| seele | nixternal: ^^ add the kubuntu meeting to fridge :P | 01:06 |
| seele | so quiet tonight.. you'd think it was the weekend | 01:06 |
| neversfelde | I would like to package ksshaskpass, but it is in debian exprimental | 01:06 |
| neversfelde | sync isnt possible anymore | 01:07 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: why not? | 01:07 |
| neversfelde | can I do an ubuntu package? | 01:07 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: well why isn't a sync possible? | 01:07 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: I thought there is a freeze? | 01:08 |
| Riddell | no, you can still request syncs | 01:08 |
| Riddell | file a bug asking and subscribe ubuntu-archive | 01:08 |
| neversfelde | ah, so I shoul request a sync in launchpad | 01:08 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:09 |
| neversfelde | ok, thanks for info, will do it | 01:10 |
| vorian | neversfelde: do you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed? | 01:12 |
| neversfelde | yes | 01:12 |
| neversfelde | in a jaunty chroot | 01:12 |
| nixternal | seele: adding it now | 01:13 |
| nixternal | seele: date and time UTC please | 01:13 |
| seele | jan 28 22UTC | 01:16 |
| seele | nixternal: thanks | 01:16 |
| nixternal | bah, can't do it on a weekend huh | 01:18 |
| vorian | neversfelde: sorry :/ | 01:19 |
| vorian | got pulled away | 01:19 |
| vorian | neversfelde: use 'requestsync ksshaskpass 0.5.1-1 -n' | 01:20 |
| neversfelde | vorian: mhh | 01:20 |
| neversfelde | will try it | 01:20 |
| vorian | it automates the sync request for you | 01:20 |
| neversfelde | You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox. | 01:22 |
| neversfelde | You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox. | 01:22 |
| neversfelde | You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox. | 01:22 |
| neversfelde | sorry | 01:22 |
| vorian | do you have your bashrc edited with your identification? | 01:22 |
| neversfelde | launchpad iidentification? | 01:23 |
| vorian | the sync request will send an email to launchpad with your information | 01:24 |
| vorian | in you bashrc, you can add a couple of lines like: | 01:24 |
| neversfelde | there is DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL | 01:25 |
| vorian | right | 01:25 |
| neversfelde | right for launchpad? | 01:26 |
| vorian | are you logged into launchpad right now? | 01:27 |
| neversfelde | yes | 01:28 |
| nixternal | hey, someone decided at the fridge to use fucking google cal so i followed their dumb ass rules and it has it set for the fuckin' 29th | 01:29 |
| nixternal | ARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 01:29 |
| vorian | neversfelde: i don't know then | 01:29 |
| vorian | sorry | 01:29 |
| vorian | you'll have to file it the old fasion way | 01:29 |
| vorian | :) | 01:29 |
| nixternal | so I had to create a damn google calendar now...insane | 01:30 |
| vorian | nixternal: blame boredandblogging | 01:30 |
| vorian | i think :P | 01:30 |
| nixternal | no, I will not blame it all on him | 01:30 |
| nixternal | I HATE GOOGLE!!! | 01:30 |
| nixternal | BUT I LOVE THEIR BURRITOS | 01:30 |
| vorian | ha | 01:30 |
| neversfelde | vorian: no problem, I will look into that issue tomorrow | 01:30 |
| vorian | okie | 01:30 |
| neversfelde | btw why is there no kubuntu.org twitter and identi.ca user? | 01:31 |
| neversfelde | the feed should be posted there | 01:31 |
| vorian | ryanakca: ^ | 01:32 |
| vorian | :P | 01:32 |
| vorian | i dunno | 01:32 |
| neversfelde | I could register it | 01:32 |
| neversfelde | and twitterfeed will post it there | 01:33 |
| nixternal | alrighty seele: the meeting is up | 01:33 |
| nixternal | from now on damnit, any of you can add a meeting | 01:34 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: ping^ | 01:36 |
| seele | nixternal: cool | 01:37 |
| neversfelde | kubuntu-de.org is on twitter | 01:46 |
| neversfelde | http://twitter.com/kubuntudeorg | 01:46 |
| neversfelde | kubuntu.org should do the same | 01:46 |
| neversfelde | ah of course | 01:49 |
| neversfelde | http://identi.ca/kubuntudeorg | 01:49 |
| astromme | identi.ca, yay =) | 01:50 |
| * astromme is on http://identi.ca/astromme | 01:50 | |
| neversfelde | astromme: use choqoK :) | 01:52 |
| astromme | neversfelde: I use KDE::Twitter plasmoid which supports identi.ca finally | 01:52 |
| neversfelde | choqoK supports it too | 01:52 |
| neversfelde | great app | 01:53 |
| astromme | neversfelde: Yeah, I'm sure it does =). It's a great app, I agree, but I'd prefer to have a simple plasmoid. I don't need more. | 01:53 |
| neversfelde | :) | 01:53 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: *shrug*... perhaps because I don't use either... but if you want to sign us up, feel free :) | 01:59 |
| neversfelde | I'll do | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | I don't like having a twitter plasmoid | 02:01 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: where is kubunut.org rss feed? | 02:07 |
| ryanakca | neversfelde: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/feed | 02:09 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: got it | 02:09 |
| neversfelde | :) | 02:09 |
| ryanakca | :) | 02:09 |
| * ryanakca scratches his head and wonders why klash only installs /usr/share/doc/klash/{changelog.Debian.gz,changelog.gz,copyright} | 02:11 | |
| neversfelde | http://identi.ca/kubuntuorg | 02:13 |
| neversfelde | so follow us on identi.ca | 02:13 |
| astromme | LaserJock: Why not? | 02:14 |
| astromme | neversfelde: Why not identi.ca/kubuntu? | 02:15 |
| astromme | neversfelde: it's free | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | astromme: because when I'm showing my boss something I don't need the latest twitter junk on my desktop :-) | 02:16 |
| neversfelde | astromme: youre right | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | if I can put it away and then bring it up it'd be nice | 02:16 |
| neversfelde | and changed | 02:16 |
| neversfelde | http://identi.ca/kubuntu | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | but it's just in your face | 02:16 |
| neversfelde | twiiter is down | 02:21 |
| neversfelde | astromme: changed back to kubuntuorg, cauce kubuntu is already used in twitter | 02:22 |
| astromme | neversfelde: Oh... ok. You don't just want to do identi.ca? | 02:24 |
| neversfelde | astromme: we should use twitter, its closed source but popular | 02:24 |
| neversfelde | identi.ca of course too | 02:25 |
| astromme | neversfelde: meh, sure it's popular.... but if people always use both nobody has an incentive to move to identi.ca | 02:25 |
| neversfelde | astromme: mhh | 02:25 |
| neversfelde | it is a generald discussion | 02:26 |
| astromme | true, true | 02:27 |
| neversfelde | I asked a twitter admin | 02:32 |
| * ScottK doesn't consider identi.ca particulalry free, you can't actually modify their software unless you want to be a software distributor. | 03:03 | |
| * ScottK gets some headache medicine in preparation for diving into kdebluetooth. | 03:05 | |
| ScottK | Too much headache, so no bluetooth tonight. | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | JontheEchidna: any ideas on bug #316256? | 03:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 316256 in kdeedu "parley crashes after multi-choice quiz" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316256 | 03:39 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: ping | 04:22 |
| nixternal | hrmm, how come opera hasn't switched to qt4 yet? opera is by far the best web browser out there I think...it is so fast! | 04:32 |
| * ScottK considers nixternal's addiction to proprietary software confirmed. | 04:37 | |
| nixternal | firefox sucks, konqueror sucks...what is left? | 04:37 |
| nhandler | links2 ;) | 04:37 |
| nhandler | And Internet Explorer/Safari/Chrome | 04:38 |
| ScottK | FF3 I like the best since FF1. | 04:38 |
| rgreening | gopher is da bomb | 04:43 |
| rgreening | :P | 04:43 |
| ScottK | nhandler: Since Safari also uses khtml, it's suckage aligns pretty well with Konquerors. | 04:48 |
| astromme | Honestly I'm happy with Konqueror... | 06:03 |
| astromme | There are a couple of sites that don't work perfectly | 06:03 |
| astromme | But most things work well | 06:03 |
| astromme | And interestingly the things that seem not to work perfectly (gmail, digg) I use desktop apps for (KMail, Akregator) | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: still up? | 06:24 |
| jussi01 | hrm, anyone else having the logout button in lancelot or the shutdown plasmoid just log them straight out and not ask to shut down , restart or logout? | 07:05 |
| NCommander | ScottK, what was that plasmoid you wanted met o looka t? | 09:48 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, ping | 09:48 |
| a|wen | g'evening everyone | 09:57 |
| * a|wen has finally got over the whole christmas / moving to another country part and found some decent internet ... so apologizes for being MIA lately | 09:58 | |
| Riddell | which country did you move to a|wen? | 09:59 |
| a|wen | Riddell: thailand | 09:59 |
| a|wen | (or at least temporarily for the next half year) | 09:59 |
| Riddell | gosh, not worried about coups? | 10:01 |
| a|wen | only a little, they have a history for many coups, but not violent ones ... but was a little worried when they closed the airport | 10:03 |
| * a|wen was thinking about upgrading our version of kdesvn; new upstream bugfix release avaible ... any interest? | 10:07 | |
| a|wen | Riddell: ^^ | 10:09 |
| Riddell | a|wen: go for it | 10:13 |
| mrvanes | Riddell: Did you recompile and package kopete yesterday? | 10:14 |
| Riddell | dunno, let's see what launchpad says | 10:15 |
| Riddell | 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3 seems to be compiled | 10:16 |
| mrvanes | Well.. there was an update and it now has wlm again... only, I can't login? | 10:16 |
| mrvanes | with wlm that is... | 10:16 |
| mrvanes | I guess it's compiled agains libmsn now (yay!) but it doesn't seem to do much? | 10:16 |
| mrvanes | have you tested it? | 10:17 |
| mrvanes | or should I file bug? | 10:17 |
| Riddell | works for me | 10:18 |
| mrvanes | Hmmm... :( | 10:18 |
| Riddell | what happens when you try and log in? | 10:18 |
| mrvanes | Connecting...... | 10:18 |
| mrvanes | (that's what happens) | 10:19 |
| mrvanes | And then no connection | 10:19 |
| mrvanes | I'm quite sure the username/pwd are correct cause I can login in ms live site | 10:19 |
| mrvanes | amd64 btw | 10:19 |
| Riddell | hmm, I can't test amd64 | 10:23 |
| Riddell | anyone else able to test MSN/WLM in kopete jaunty on amd64? | 10:23 |
| mrvanes | I'll try to launch kopete from console to see if I get a bit more info | 10:26 |
| mrvanes | Not much of value | 10:27 |
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| mrvanes | When I quit I get a notice: Cannot connect with the instant messaging server or peers and a button "more..." that doesn't do anything :( | 10:30 |
| Riddell | I think we just need to wait until someone else can test it on amd64 | 10:42 |
| mrvanes | ok | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK uploading kdebluetooth in a moment | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK did you look at the package ? | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about plasmoid-network-manager ? should I upload and ask people to test ? | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it'll not conflict with the current one, so... I'd go for an upload even if it won't work for some people | 11:15 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: go for it | 11:23 |
| allee | Kubuntu/Meetings lists Sat, Jan 28. Is it the 28th or Saturday? | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki :) | 11:25 |
| Riddell | allee: it's Wednesday 28th, see topic | 11:26 |
| Riddell | allee: please edit | 11:26 |
| allee | Riddell: ok | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kpackagekit ftbfs, while working in a local pbuilder.... checking what the problem is | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: problem at configure.... strange... | 11:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: they failed to compile yesterday because libpackagekit-qt2 didn't contain any files | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: mv libpackagekit-qt0.install libpackagekit-qt2.install | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you can kick me... | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | I'm too tired actually to think about everything when working... | 11:29 |
| Riddell | retrying kpackagekit now | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: does it need reupload or can you restart the build ? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | I've restarted it | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: great... | 11:32 |
| Tonio_ | can't wait to be finished with the appartment :) I've been sleeping by 3 am to wake up at 6h30 for 10 days at least... | 11:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: plasmoid-network-manager should be in NEW | 11:34 |
| cbr | hmm.. kopete got rebuilt with libmsn support, right | 11:38 |
| cbr | the bastard wont connect for me though | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: when you want to test kpackagekit, take care at setting the permissions with policykit-kde in the first place | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is no desktop file for the binary doing this, but you should see it in systemsettings, or use polkit-kde-authorization binary | 11:38 |
| mrvanes | cbr: ru on amd64 perhaps? | 11:40 |
| cbr | i386 | 11:41 |
| mrvanes | good, so it's not isolated to amd64 ;) | 11:41 |
| mrvanes | Riddell says works for him, it doesn't for me but I'm on amd64 | 11:42 |
| cbr | i say it to connect.. and that's it | 11:42 |
| cbr | nothing happens at all | 11:42 |
| mrvanes | exactly... same here | 11:42 |
| * smarter has working msn support with Kopete for quiet some times now | 11:42 | |
| smarter | on 64bits | 11:42 |
| mrvanes | so what are we doing wrong? | 11:43 |
| cbr | okay, tried removing kopeterc but all that did was that i lost my conf | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | hum I can't connect to kde svn right now... connection refused | 11:51 |
| cbr | also i have my contact list full of (disconnected) empty contacts | 11:51 |
| cbr | those used to be msn contacts previously | 11:51 |
| cbr | what should i do with 'em | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you're gonna kill me..... | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a problem with kpackagekit in the deps... it should depend on policykit-kde | policykit-gnome, and not kpackagekit-kde | kpackagekit-gnome... | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fixing and reuploading... | 11:55 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: =) | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: not concentrated enough ^^ | 12:00 |
| Tm_T | kpackagekit-gnome is nice dependency =) | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | haha :) | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I'm doing lots of little errors like these atm.... I'm lacking sleep, I think... | 12:02 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I know the feeling | 12:02 |
| Nightrose | Tonio_: anonsvn is down | 12:03 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: wifes mother was babysitting last night so we could sleep at once | 12:03 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: indeed it is | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: I know, well I discovered it :) hope it'll not be too long :) | 12:03 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: Tonio_: anonsvn is down and host master is notified, we are waiting the fix | 12:03 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: oki ;) | 12:03 |
| Nightrose | hehe yea - but the one responsible for it is having a good time in jamaica :P | 12:04 |
| Nightrose | so don't expect it to get fixed too soon | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Nightrose: :) | 12:04 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: exactly | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can't seem to connect to MSN with your kopete upload.... can be msn issue, I'll let you know | 12:17 |
| Riddell | wibble | 12:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: run kbuildsycoca4 ? | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | lemme test | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | hum does seem to fix... | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't... | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: amsn connects me... | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is your upload identical to the package I tested yesterday ? | 12:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: should be yes | 12:22 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: glad we don't share libraries with amsn (;) | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, even removing the account doesn't help.... | 12:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what about you, does it work ? | 12:23 |
| Riddell | I think so | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | hum... weird... | 12:24 |
| Tm_T | I so want this ... http://www2.smarttech.com/NR/rdonlyres/2131D4ED-4B73-4AFD-8C0F-E1B5D40619C2/0/SpecSheetSB660i3v7.pdf | 12:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you presumably have /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_wlm.so ? | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | I do | 12:28 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: ok, so, how it doesn't work? | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | hum kdebase-workspace ftbfs on lpia.... worked in a pbuilder, sounds bad | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: it stays on "connecting" status forever | 12:28 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: ah, and you use wlm plugin and not old msn plugin? | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | wlm | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: can you get some debug output from it? | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: install kdenetwork-dbg and run then kopete from konsole | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | putting a bad password ends up with an error message, so the server is reached | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: yup | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: let's see what you get | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: that won't output anything interesting :) nothing more in fact | 12:35 |
| Tm_T | what's the last bit? | 12:35 |
| Tm_T | aka to what it halts? | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/107303/ | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | I get nothing else in the output | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | and nothing outputs when I set it to connect | 12:36 |
| Tm_T | brrrrh | 12:36 |
| Tm_T | weirdoh | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | and kdenetwork-dbg is installed | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: do I miss something ? | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I have no idea... | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: are youre kdenetwork and kdenetwork-dbg in same version? | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | roger | 12:38 |
| Tm_T | so that doesn't explain it | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: well I don't have kdenetwork package installed, since that's a metapackage | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | but my kopete and kdenetwork-dbg are the same version | 12:39 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: yeah but you got the point I believe (:) | 12:39 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: can you slap ade? | 12:39 |
| Nightrose | i can try | 12:39 |
| Nightrose | sec | 12:39 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 12:39 |
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| Nightrose | ok he is not up yet but Orville will tell him when he sees him | 12:41 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: thanks a million, hugs for you all there | 12:41 |
| * Nightrose is not there! :( | 12:42 | |
| Nightrose | *sob* | 12:42 |
| Nightrose | sitting in cold and wet germany | 12:42 |
| Nightrose | i just have a few of the guys on my jabber list ;-) | 12:42 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: well you are there as much as I am | 12:42 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 12:42 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: and come here if you feel wet and cold | 12:43 |
| a|wen | Tonio_: what about installing libmsn0.1-dbg ? | 12:43 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: I'm waiting -40 °C weathers here | 12:43 |
| Tm_T | a|wen: ah, good point, son | 12:43 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 12:43 |
| a|wen | thx Tm_T :) | 12:43 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: I hate these 0..-5 weathers and barely snow at all, boooring | 12:44 |
| Tm_T | 1 meter snow it should be <3 | 12:44 |
| Nightrose | :P | 12:44 |
| Nightrose | sun and 30°C it should be | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | and water | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | lots of it | 12:45 |
| a|wen | Nightrose: that's how it is here :) | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | like in... | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | Jamaica! | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | a|wen: heeh where are you? | 12:45 |
| a|wen | Nightrose: bangkok, thailand | 12:45 |
| Nightrose | awwww | 12:46 |
| * Nightrose demands a teleporter | 12:46 | |
| * a|wen will talk to the physics department about getting that :P | 12:46 | |
| Nightrose | haha | 12:47 |
| Nightrose | thx | 12:47 |
| a|wen | hehe, np ... maybe they could beam a better internet connection through it too | 12:49 |
| Tm_T | better? what's wrong with current one? | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: testing this :) | 12:50 |
| a|wen | Tm_T: a bit "shaky" at times ... and 15 times slower than what i am used to | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: no debug messages... | 12:51 |
| Tm_T | a|wen: heh, I have reasonable connection here | 12:51 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: that kinda sucks | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: I don't know how to get the output in fact | 12:51 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: try http method if it's available? | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: well I can strace, ;) | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: there's no option for that... | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I'm also missing kopete tabs, to be honnest | 12:52 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: errr, what? | 12:52 |
| a|wen | Tonio_: yeah ... that's the problem about having it not crash but just don't work | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: am I crazy or did thy remove that ? | 12:53 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: remove what? | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | the tabs.... | 12:53 |
| a|wen | Tonio_: they are disabled by default now ... you can enable them in the options | 12:53 |
| Tm_T | oh right, some people might have defaults (: | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: where ? I'll fix kds to enable that by default... but I can't find the option graphically | 12:53 |
| a|wen | behaviour > chat > grouping | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: isn't that grouping the consecutive messages ? | 12:54 |
| a|wen | Tonio_: it is grouping by window | 12:55 |
| a|wen | aka tabs :) | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | ah cool | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: I'll enable the tabs by default then :) | 12:56 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: thanks <3 | 12:56 |
| a|wen | Tonio_: :) | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | the setting should be in "chat window", that's bad | 12:57 |
| a|wen | Tonio_: would make more sense to me also | 12:57 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | +[Behavior] | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | +chatWindowGroupPolicy=GroupByAccount | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | got it, let's fix kubuntu-default-settings :) | 12:59 |
| a|wen | would be +1 from me :) | 13:00 |
| Tonio_ | a|wen: kubuntu-default-settings building :) | 13:07 |
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| a|wen | :) | 13:07 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: kdebase-workspace ftbfs... I built it successfully yesterday... | 13:17 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21472200/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.96-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 13:18 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: the build issue has nothing to do with my changes (just a patch on sources for solid...) | 13:18 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: any idea what's can go wrong ? anything to do with your changes ? | 13:18 |
| Tonio_ | the wird thing is that it built yesterday for me in pbuilder | 13:18 |
| NCommander | wtf | 13:19 |
| NCommander | It did for me too | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: don't know... | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | the ubuntu4 ? | 13:19 |
| NCommander | *lost* | 13:19 |
| NCommander | Something going wrong | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | yeah that's weird..... I have the debs in my pbuilder/result.... I don't see the point since the issue is with debian/rules at some points... | 13:19 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: retesting the build locally.... | 13:23 |
| * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna | 13:24 | |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: pong | 13:24 |
| NCommander | Tonio_, I'm somewhat busy today, so if you could look into it, I'd greatly apperiate it | 13:24 |
| Tonio_ | NCommander: sure will do | 13:25 |
| Tonio_ | dh_install -pkdebase-workspace-data --sourcedir=debian/tmp | 13:25 |
| Tonio_ | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/autostart/common': No such file or directory | 13:25 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't make sense to me.... | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/about-kubuntu-1.ogv | 13:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any change in kdelibs or patch we may know that changes the docs at some points ? | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: list | 13:26 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I'll take a look after I add some info to a KDE bug | 13:26 |
| * apachelogger changed the global documentation path | 13:26 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: now!!! | 13:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: AH !!!!!!!!!! | 13:26 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: what would be the correct path then ? | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | kde/HTML | 13:26 |
| Tonio_ | oki.... we may have lots of changes to do in kde packages then :) | 13:27 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: did you fix the bzr debian folder according to this ? | 13:27 |
| Tonio_ | for all packages I mean | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | nope | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | scheduled for 4.2.0 | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | which will arrive for packaging soonish | 13:27 |
| JontheEchidna | colplay! | 13:28 |
| JontheEchidna | coldplay! | 13:28 |
| JontheEchidna | rather | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | :D | 13:28 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'll do it for kdebase-workspace if you don't mind, ScottK needs my kdebluetooth, which needs kdebase-workspace to be built... | 13:28 |
| * apachelogger actually thinks that embedding a video instead of the logo makes much more sense | 13:28 | |
| apachelogger | with a video you can communicate emotion and stuff | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | the logo is just that, a logo | 13:29 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: don't mind me doing the changes ? | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: fine with me ... less work for whoever udates workspace ;-) | 13:29 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | vorian: what do you think about my about kubuntu dialog? | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | maybe we should just talk about my screencasts folder at our talk ... loads of weird stuff in there :D | 13:30 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: btw, suggestions about application launcher branding? | 13:32 |
| * apachelogger is not sure how to get the kubuntu logo there | 13:33 | |
| JontheEchidna | aparently fedora does it, maybe we could spy on them | 13:33 |
| jjesse | why would we want to change it? isn't that part of us being a "kde" distro is we keep some of the branding? | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | well, the technical part is easy enough | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | just change it to use start-here-kde-kubuntu and ship -kubuntu along kds | 13:34 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: commited the changes to bzr... testing the build locally and waiting | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | k | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the what artwork would we be using part is more difficult | 13:35 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK kdebase-workspace discarded a bit due to some changes I wasn't aware of ;) you may get the kdebluetooth commited toonight :) | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | our plain logo clashes with the blue plasma panel theme | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | I added a darkish shadow, but that doesn't improve it at alot | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | and from my point of view the approach vorian pasted some time ago ... combining the KDE logo with ours ... is bad due to branding clashes and confused users | 13:36 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, you have a point | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | we could use air as default theme though ;-) | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | that is what I used in the screencast | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | IMHO the logo looks decent with that coloring | 13:37 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, air rocks | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | uh | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/WOTM | 14:02 |
| JontheEchidna | interesting | 14:04 |
| * a|wen doesn't like when people goes around renaming library names | 14:05 | |
| apachelogger | a|wen: who would do such a thing? | 14:05 |
| a|wen | the kdesvn developer ... libsvnqt renamed to libsvnqt4 some time back; and is now renamed back again | 14:06 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mysql-dfsg-5.1_5.1.30-2ubuntu4.debdiff | 14:09 |
| Riddell | --datadir=/usr/share/mysql-5.1 is mildly inelegant but I think better than mucking around with autofoo | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | well, it moves aclocal also to that sub directory, wouldn't cause problems? | 14:10 |
| * apachelogger didn't go ahead with datadir because of this | 14:10 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what's aclocal for? | 14:10 |
| Riddell | seems to be an empty directory | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: related to autohell I think | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:12 |
| === davmor2-lunch is now known as davmor2 | ||
| apachelogger | ...maybe it would be enough to move the aclocal stuff manually | 14:12 |
| Riddell | what aclocal stuff? it's an empty directory | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | wasn't for me | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I'll look into it, thanks so far :) | 14:13 |
| Riddell | amarok needs a recompile against but works fine after | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | -rw-r--r-- root/root 4183 2009-01-15 22:21 ./usr/share/mysql-5.1/aclocal/mysql.m4 | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I suppose creating a link to usr/share/aclocal should be enough | 14:16 |
| Riddell | mm, well spotted | 14:20 |
| * Riddell adds a mysql-server-data-5.1.links file | 14:20 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I can do that | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | I have to add some amarok-mysql replaces anyway | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, shouldn't it be arch all? | 14:24 |
| Riddell | quite right, http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mysql-dfsg-5.1_5.1.30-2ubuntu4.debdiff updated | 14:26 |
| Riddell | nobody seems to have complained about my mysql 5.0 change so I think I'll just upload that | 14:26 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: KDE 4.1.4 is the last 4.1 series release, correct? | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | aye | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | k, cool | 14:30 |
| Riddell | better be :) | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe, just need to know for conflicts/replace purposes | 14:30 |
| Riddell | so guys, what are my 10 pet bugs for jaunty? | 14:30 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna will know | 14:31 |
| JontheEchidna | I only ever saw the system-config-printer-kde one | 14:32 |
| * apachelogger wishes one could do direct queries to the bug database | 14:32 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, something everyone whines about about never gets fixed | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | ahhh | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | http cleaner | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, so he's wanting suggestions, not giving a pop quiz | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | or whatever that thing is that constantly pops up on gnome desktops and makes them crazy | 14:32 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 14:32 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: yes, looking for suggestions | 14:33 |
| a|wen | kdesvn update ready: http://awen.dk/packages/kdesvn/ <-- if anybody has time to have a look :) | 14:33 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: does it have to be anywhere in particular in the stack? | 14:33 |
| Riddell | does anyone else fine that on login a resumed konqueror sessions always displays the bookmarks toolbar? | 14:33 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: well KDE/Kubuntu related would make sense | 14:34 |
| ScottK | NCommander: The plasmoid in question (that FTBFS on arm) was plasmoid-toggle-compositing. | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | because there's a really annoying driver bug that drives my dad crazy with KDE4 | 14:34 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I think the idea is I'd try and fix them | 14:34 |
| Riddell | dri | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, heh | 14:34 |
| Riddell | I'm unlikely to fix drivers | 14:34 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Welcome back and yes, I think a kdesvn update is a great idea. | 14:34 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, that's what I thought | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | if drivers were written in ruby | 14:35 |
| JontheEchidna | he just turned composting off in xorg.conf since he's a codger who doesn't like desktop effects anyway | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | they would be dead slow but easy to fix :P | 14:35 |
| a|wen | thx ScottK ... it is ready for you to look at (sponsor) if you want | 14:35 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I did not get to look at bluetooth last night. I had a really bad headache instead. | 14:35 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Perhaps I'll look at it in a bit. | 14:35 |
| jussi01 | I asked this morning, but no one was about. can anyone confirm this behavoiur in the RC1 for me? | 14:36 |
| jussi01 | [09:05:25] <jussi01> hrm, anyone else having the logout button in lancelot or the shutdown plasmoid just log them straight out and not ask to shut down , restart or logout? | 14:36 |
| a|wen | ScottK: cool thx | 14:36 |
| Riddell | jussi01: I think that happens when ksmserver crashes | 14:37 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: ahh | 14:37 |
| ScottK | Riddell: How about ark can't open a tar.gz inside a ar archive (bugs me because I used to use ark to inspect .deb contents) <- Top bug input. | 14:40 |
| ScottK | Bugs the heck out of me, but probably no one else. | 14:40 |
| ScottK | Dunno if it's already fixed in 4.2. | 14:40 |
| * vorian would like kde to detect my iphone | 14:42 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: didn't ark upstream hang around here for a bit for us to poke? | 14:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: That was metellius or some similar. Not here now. | 14:43 |
| a|wen | ScottK: seems to be fixed in 4.2 | 14:43 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Excellent. Thanks. | 14:43 |
| * ScottK considers to upgrade to 4.2 right after the 4.1.4 SRU gets accepted. | 14:43 | |
| a|wen | but would be nice if you could right-click + open-with on a file in ark ... that bugs the heck out of me | 14:45 |
| Riddell | plasma config knowledge dudes, is anyone able to add the power plasmoid to our default setup? | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | oh | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | we _need_ to drop stuff from the panel | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | it is getting super crowded | 14:46 |
| ScottK | But that power one replaces guidance, so it doesn't make it worse. | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | with power manager and network ma | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | nager it uses half my screen | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it does, plasmoids are bigger than systray icons | 14:47 |
| Riddell | I do hope these applets can go back into the system tray for 4.3 | 14:47 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Right. OK, a little. | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 14:48 |
| * apachelogger thinks we could drop trash and show-dashboard | 14:48 | |
| apachelogger | + add rules for hidding systray icons | 14:49 |
| vorian | +1 on dropping show-dashboard | 14:49 |
| ScottK | +1 here too. | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Trash I think you either have to have it in the tray or on the 'desktop'. | 14:50 |
| ScottK | It's best where it is. | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | well | 14:50 |
| Riddell | can't say I've ever used the wastebin and I'm not even convinced non-geeks use it either | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | trash management is part of file management, file management is done by dolphin | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | and that certainly got a nice visible link to the trash | 14:51 |
| astromme | I'd say it's not necessary | 14:51 |
| astromme | Dolphin has a trash icon right there | 14:51 |
| jussi01 | +1 | 14:51 |
| ScottK | -1 | 14:51 |
| astromme | And we don't use trash for say.... remvoing devices or unmounting disk images (a la another os out there) | 14:51 |
| Riddell | ScottK: rationale? | 14:51 |
| ScottK | Windows and MacOS both have it. It's something people expect. Having it not there would be something 'missing' to new users. I think making it easy to have it go away and never come back is great for people that don't want it. | 14:52 |
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| * ScottK confesses to use it when hard drive space gets tight (and is almost never in Dolphin when it comes up) | 14:53 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: ^^ | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | well, lets move it to desktop | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | we have lots of space there ;-) | 14:54 |
| a|wen | i'm with scottk on the trash | 14:54 |
| ScottK | True, but I don't think we want to break the clean desktop. | 14:54 |
| jussi01 | top left corner... apachelogger :P | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: we don't have a clean desktop | 14:55 |
| Riddell | we already do with folderview and notes applet | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | we have folderview + notes on it | 14:55 |
| Riddell | and cashew | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 14:55 |
| ScottK | True, but the fact that it's already slightly polluted doesn't recommend more, IMO. | 14:55 |
| vorian | <3 the cashew | 14:55 |
| Riddell | although I don't see what use it is on the desktop since it would hardly be visible with the way I work | 14:55 |
| * apachelogger would rather kick notes from the desktop than keep trash in the panel | 14:55 | |
| ScottK | Make the hplip thing go away. | 14:55 |
| jussi01 | hate the cashew | 14:55 |
| * a|wen notes that hiding systray icons is in kde4.2 | 14:56 | |
| vorian | +1 on kicking notes! | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: not everyone hides his desktops underneath windows ;-) | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that only is active you have a hp machine I think | 14:56 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, notes should go | 14:56 |
| ScottK | Nevermind then (I do have one). | 14:56 |
| * apachelogger doesn't have it and still finds the panel too crowded | 14:56 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: we never got that translated anyway, did we? | 14:57 |
| ScottK | Without the Show Desktop widget I would never see mine. | 14:57 |
| Riddell | the HP thing is annoying and should go away, printer-applet should work for everyone and we don't want manufacturer branding else you end up with a Windows style mess | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: nope, which is why it should go :P | 14:57 |
| a|wen | Riddell: auto-hide the HP-thing as default? | 14:57 |
| * vorian suggest quicklaunch and power only | 14:57 | |
| apachelogger | a|wen: more like kick it off the CD | 14:57 |
| Riddell | a|wen: or just not install it? | 14:57 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I can't seem to get batbuild runing. I get a Ruby error... | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | the two things I remove from the systray immediately are kwalletmanager and korganizer | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | it uses pyqt3 | 14:57 |
| a|wen | an even better solution :) | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | which pulls in pyqt3 + qt3 which both ought to be dropped | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: autohiding | 14:58 |
| ScottK | Since it's easy to hide stuff and adding stuff is not so easily discoverable, I think leaving more there and letting people remove what they don't want is the way to go. | 14:58 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/kreadwriteconfig.rb:60:in `read': undefined local variable or method `file' for #<KConfig:0xb7da22f0 @file="--file | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: crowded desktop gives bad reviews | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: uhhh, latest b0rkage :D | 14:59 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: fix? | 14:59 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: If we cared about reviews we wouldn't be picking vapourware like kpackagekit. | 14:59 |
| JontheEchidna | actually we got bad reviews for not using kpackagekit last time around where Fedora was | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | Pushed up to revision 57. | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: try with that revision | 15:00 |
| * apachelogger didn't push for quite some time | 15:00 | |
| JontheEchidna | mostly because of the problems with adept I'd assume but... | 15:00 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Does it work? | 15:00 |
| apachelogger | dude, we had a package manager in intrepid that barely worked :P | 15:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't know, my dad doesn't use it. He uses yum | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | he hates GUI package managers | 15:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Agreed. | 15:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: AFAICT thought kpackagekit works less. | 15:01 |
| ScottK | thought/though | 15:01 |
| apachelogger | worked quite nice on intrepid, even though that was a pretty old snapshot | 15:02 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: me too ... except aptitude (if that can be called gui) | 15:02 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, ncurses guis ftw | 15:02 |
| a|wen | heh :) | 15:02 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I think that the lack of conffile handling is a fatal flaw. I know others feel different. | 15:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: oh, uh, I have one! bug 289264 | 15:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289264 in update-notifier-kde "Memory leak in update-notifier-kde" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289264 | 15:05 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: ok. will try again... | 15:07 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: got it thanks | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I find not-updating cache and a search that doesn't return results most of the time worse, at least from a user perspective | 15:28 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: are you going to coordinate 4.2.0 or not? | 15:28 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I agree those are significant. I didn't know about those. | 15:28 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, I apologize, I have too much on my plate to do it. | 15:29 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: ok | 15:30 |
| * apachelogger should go to bad early today, so he can do loads of reviews :D | 15:30 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I guess we should poke the edubuntu people with bug 286655 | 15:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 286655 in kdeedu "KTouch doesn't have a Spanish or Latinamerican keymap" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286655 | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I think I'm done with mysql, I'll testbuild once I am home and poke zul if all goes well | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | => train | 15:36 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: that seems to have fixed things | 15:51 |
| Riddell | Launchpad Bug Tracking on in #ubuntu-classroom | 16:02 |
| ScottK | seele: New quassel in my PPA. You can log out of KDE now. | 16:03 |
| wesley_ | Is there already a bug reported about fsck failing to check a ext4 ? | 16:11 |
| Riddell | I've no idea | 16:11 |
| wesley_ | Because i saw that error ive put all my file systems in Linux to ext4 | 16:11 |
| Riddell | we do KDE | 16:11 |
| wesley_ | isnt that cool, a system, with many fours | 16:12 |
| wesley_ | I will just report it, Riddell your going to fossdem ? | 16:12 |
| Riddell | wesley_: yes should be | 16:13 |
| Riddell | seele: Washington looks busy | 16:13 |
| seele | Riddell: indeed it does :) | 16:13 |
| wesley_ | Maby i going to Fossdem | 16:13 |
| ScottK | Looks quiet out my window and that's as close as I'm likely to get. | 16:14 |
| wesley_ | The kde talks look intresseting, ive working kde 4.2 rc again | 16:14 |
| seele | Riddell: they said the mall can hold 2.1 million people and they closed entry to it 2 hours ago | 16:14 |
| wesley_ | oh yeah the monkey president is going be killed | 16:15 |
| seele | wesley_: reh? | 16:15 |
| Riddell | ... | 16:15 |
| wesley_ | You talking about the monkey from usa ? Rare specie | 16:15 |
| seele | uh.. wtf you talking about son? | 16:16 |
| wesley_ | the new monkey kind of usa | 16:16 |
| wesley_ | they have evolved to the next level | 16:16 |
| rgreening | yeah, that seems a tad rude/racist (unless I am misundersanding) | 16:16 |
| ScottK | wesley_: If you want to insult people, find another place to do it. | 16:17 |
| jjesse_ | agreed i think you should leave if you want to talk like that | 16:17 |
| wesley_ | talking about a monkey isnt racisme, as far as i know, but they told on the news they disovered a new kind off monkey in the usa | 16:17 |
| Riddell | wesley_: stop this now | 16:18 |
| wesley_ | Really it was on the dutch news | 16:18 |
| wesley_ | Oh i should be making a bug report | 16:19 |
| wesley_ | The number one bug is funny | 16:19 |
| wesley_ | I really don´t get why ubuntu will not just coperate with Windows, thats better for Linux | 16:22 |
| Riddell | wesley_: stay on topic | 16:23 |
| rgreening | try ubuntu-chat or something please wesley_ | 16:23 |
| wesley_ | whats the topic then ?? | 16:24 |
| rgreening | wesley_: kubuntu development | 16:25 |
| cbr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/319222 | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 319222 in libmsn "kopete cannot connect to msn using libmsn 4.0 b3" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:25 |
| cbr | this is le truth | 16:25 |
| cbr | it works with the beta1 | 16:25 |
| wesley_ | What does Kubuntu development, involved? kde ? kde errors ? bugs ? | 16:26 |
| rgreening | wesley_: if oyu have to ask, you are probably in the wrong channel. Try #kubuntu or #ubuntu-chat or #kde-cafe for your chats. | 16:27 |
| wesley_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/107358/ heres something to devel | 16:27 |
| rgreening | wesley_: feel free to file a bug report via launchpad and it will get investigated | 16:28 |
| wesley_ | that doesnt happing for kde related stuff, thats not important, kde will handle that | 16:28 |
| seele | kde relies on distros to send them bugs because not everyone realises kde is a separate thing than what they install as their os | 16:30 |
| wesley_ | I realise that, and i realise that sometimes its distro related | 16:30 |
| seele | so submit a bug and we'll be sure to take care of it | 16:31 |
| wesley_ | i have summited the ext4 bug | 16:31 |
| wesley_ | theres not more to sumit | 16:31 |
| wesley_ | good work on providing libmsn | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: right fixing the doc path fixes the build :) | 16:36 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: re-uploading kdebase-workspace, and then kdebluetooth, sorry for the delay... | 16:37 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: greetz | 16:38 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: tried the knetwrok plasmoid. no go with wep. picks up the networks but fails to connect | 16:38 |
| * ScottK pauses to consider if no WEP is a bug or a feature (since it's trivially crackable, it gives, IMO, a false sense of security). | 16:44 | |
| rgreening | lol | 16:45 |
| wesley_ | Wep is better then what my neghbor has ( nothing ) | 16:56 |
| wesley_ | Is kubuntu going use the kde4 network interface ? | 16:57 |
| seele | yes | 16:57 |
| wesley_ | Cool, can we test it already ? | 16:57 |
| seele | if you are running development. you probably dont want to run jaunty alpha-3 if you need your computer for work | 16:58 |
| wesley_ | i am running jaunty | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | nono... you probably dont want to run jaunty alpha-3 if you have a non-intel card and need your computer for work | 16:59 |
| wesley_ | ive intel | 16:59 |
| rgreening | I love my intel :) | 16:59 |
| wesley_ | a intel atom 330 | 16:59 |
| wesley_ | I love both my computers | 16:59 |
| wesley_ | an celeron and a atom | 16:59 |
| wesley_ | I think wlan having is qiute handy, because cables break sometimes | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | eh? | 17:00 |
| wesley_ | i have broken the cables, they just pop out sometimes, the locking part is broken | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | ah | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | makes more sense now :D | 17:01 |
| wesley_ | so when i move with notebook, plop cable out it and discconented | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | wesley_: I am quite sure there are special plugs for the notebook usecase | 17:02 |
| smarter | strangest argument about using wifi I've ever heard | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | the default ones were never designed for that really | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | smarter: pretty lame one then :P | 17:02 |
| wesley_ | its the cable, a lan cable locks normally, but not when you break the lock part | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | just think of it ... star trek teaches us: wifi is no good | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | no-one is using it | 17:03 |
| wesley_ | wifi is faster here, then vable XD | 17:03 |
| rgreening | and networking is bad as either the Romulans or the Borg will infect and take over shipwide systems. | 17:03 |
| rgreening | we should all go back to using an abacus | 17:04 |
| rgreening | and slide rule | 17:04 |
| rgreening | :P | 17:04 |
| wesley_ | I really see some hackers tryiong to break in to some networks in normall living | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: borg will only access all your data | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | actually | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | so will romulans | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | romulans are like vampires | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | just that they appear to be attracted to information | 17:04 |
| wesley_ | wesnoth | 17:04 |
| * rgreening is reading Star Trek Destiny trilogy. mmm.. Borg.... | 17:05 | |
| wesley_ | I watch Demons | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | back in the days when I was borg | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | oh | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | hold on | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | I shouldn't tell you that | 17:05 |
| * apachelogger hides in the bunker | 17:05 | |
| wesley_ | Anyway i bought me wlan usb stick from peak, never heard off it but on box standed, osx,linux,windows, windows | 17:06 |
| wesley_ | was 20 euro | 17:07 |
| wesley_ | not much, it was a local ict shop, they don´t make that much profit on that stuff | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | that is what they want you to belive | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | production of such a stick is probably ~5 cents | 17:08 |
| wesley_ | you going tell me they make that much profit on one selled usb stick? | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | maybe 2 € shipping | 17:08 |
| wesley_ | They sell maby days nothing, and provides more service, ict stores arent running from selling hardware | 17:09 |
| wesley_ | they run because Windows is bugged, and needs to be fixed | 17:10 |
| wesley_ | I mean who pays 100 euro for ubuntu ? | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | I wouldn't their bug triagers always close my bugs as wontfix :P | 17:11 |
| wesley_ | Lol, what do you report? I reported they should just copy ksnapshot | 17:12 |
| rgreening | bwahah | 17:12 |
| wesley_ | How was that store called whats selling osx with its pc´s ? | 17:13 |
| wesley_ | They ask 90 euro or $ if you want ubuntu on your pc | 17:15 |
| Tm_T | does any of you encounter issues with gpg-agent? | 17:19 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Does your gpg.conf have use-agent in it? | 17:31 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: ...crap | 17:33 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: you know what? seahorse have overwritten it, to contain, well, nothing | 17:33 |
| ScottK | That'll do it. | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: that is what you get for using seahorse! | 17:34 |
| Tm_T | I never had used it | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | yah yah | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: that is what you get for using gnome software that starts seahorse in background | 17:34 |
| Tm_T | I wonder what it was | 17:34 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: so, what there should be then? | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: btw, did you see my awesome about-kubuntu dialog? :D | 17:35 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: sorry, no, not yet | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | oh my wallpaper! | 17:35 |
| ScottK | The simplest way to make sure you get it right is make a new user, do something gpg'ish with that user (so the file gets generated) and then copy it over. | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/about-kubuntu-1.ogv | 17:35 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: ^^ | 17:35 |
| ScottK | That or there's some magic you can do to regenerate from the .skel file, but I don't remember it. | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | no | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | I think you can just copy the plain example file | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | should be what you get anyway | 17:37 |
| ScottK | Is it? Our .skel is not identicaly to upstream's. | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | /usr/share/gnupg/options.skel | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: ^ | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | someone broke kate | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | possibly me | 17:41 |
| * apachelogger very weird b0rkage | 17:41 | |
| apachelogger | *got | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | language engine as well | 17:41 |
| ScottK | Right. That's the one that gets used when you use it for the first time, so copy it over ... | 17:41 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You should give yourself a stern talking to. | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: a what? Oo | 17:43 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Remindyourself about not breaking stuff like Kate. | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | ah | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | was not even intentional | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | might have been a side effect of my kdelibs fiddling earlier | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | now kate can only copy and cut, but not paste | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: any progress on ubuntuwire accounts for us? | 17:45 |
| * ScottK will ask again. | 17:46 | |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: thanks sir | 17:52 |
| Tm_T | also, how I create socket file? | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: are you running trunk kde? | 17:58 |
| Nightrose | nope | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | anyone running kde trunk in here? | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 908359 | 17:59 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=908359&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 908359 | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | smells like backport anyway | 17:59 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: you probably can find someone in #kde-devel | 17:59 |
| ScottK | Isn't that commit in 4.2? | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that was just after branching I think | 18:09 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | 4.2 was string frozen at that time so I doubt it is in 4.2 ;-) | 18:10 |
| * ScottK starts to wonder how long his internets will last with no eletricity. | 18:10 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: huh? | 18:10 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: hum, that's bad... | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: I'll have to perform tests with different networks on my side... | 18:11 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: one interesting test would be to kill plasma and restart it from a console, so that you can see the logs of the plasma applet.... | 18:12 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: I'd like to get an output :) | 18:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kpackagekit is installable from universe :) | 18:13 |
| jjesse_ | yay | 18:13 |
| Tonio_ | but as policykit-kde is a kded module, it has to be started manually, or kde restarted so that authentication works... | 18:14 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Power outage here. | 18:14 |
| ScottK | Batteries holding on for now ... | 18:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: awooga, does it work? | 18:15 |
| Sput | ScottK: inaugural stage drawing too much power? | 18:16 |
| Sput | bush pulling the plug before he left? | 18:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have to restart kde to let you know :) let's go | 18:16 |
| ScottK | Could be. | 18:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, missing dependancy... kpackagekit doesn't depend on packagekit... | 18:21 |
| Riddell | fail | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | I thought depending on packagekit-backend-apt would suffice.... | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | that's weird... packagekit deps are strange on that point | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep, won't work... worked last week... | 18:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like last policy-kde commit breaks things... I'll have a look soon on that point | 18:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: polkit-kde-authorization(5861) PkKPolkitClient::getAuth: Authentication error : org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.PolkitKdeManagerError.Code1 : Another client is already authenticating, please tryagain later. | 18:26 |
| seele | ScottK: can you record some of the concerns about kpackagekit on the meeting page so we remember to talk about them? | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I wonder if that's not dbus issue at some points... | 18:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll try after a complete system reboot | 18:26 |
| ScottK | seele: When I have more electricity, sure. | 18:26 |
| seele | oh right, heh | 18:27 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: I'll see about a log later tonight. I have no wireless here to test from at the moment. | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 18:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I installed packagekit package, rebooted and it works | 18:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: still weird to me that packagekit-backend-apt doesn't suffice, but I'll fix the deps... | 18:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: FYI, restarting d-bus didn't help for soem reason | 18:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we might want to add a postinst which calls /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required then | 18:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also, I can't manage to search for packages atm | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we may consider checking permissions set by default... | 18:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seele had that problem previously... | 18:37 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: run update-apt-xapian-index ? | 18:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, looks like it keeps an "unknown state" when I manually refresh the packages... | 18:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is packagekit using xapian ? | 18:41 |
| Riddell | packagekit-backend-apt should be | 18:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope... won't change... | 18:43 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: I have the same issue. no packages. It did work at one point | 18:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll test with the gnome tools, maybe the problem is backend side... | 18:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the policykit-kde things works like a charm, that's the good point | 18:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: one thing I don't like with all those KCM + policykit + dbus backend -> it is EXTREMELY hard to figure out what happens when you have a problem | 18:44 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, only if available | 18:48 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, it only uses xapian if available | 18:50 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, did you have any issues with the apt backend? | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: currently testing with the gnome tools | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | failed to get a TID: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.70" (uid=1000 pid=7093 comm="gpk-application ") interface="org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Transaction" member="SetLocale" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.PackageKit" (uid=0 pid=6520 comm="/usr/sbin/packagekitd ")) (0) | 18:50 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, i will role out new packages soon | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't work too, but is more talkative :) | 18:50 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I suspect the issue is somehow backend side... | 18:50 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, could be a problem of the new dbus send destination policy | 18:51 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: also is that normal that packagekit-backend-apt doesn't depend on libpackagekit8 ? | 18:51 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: that's strange for me :) | 18:51 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, yes. otherwise we would get a circular dependency | 18:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a conclusion for kpackagekit is that it should be a little more talkative whenever it comes to an issue :) | 18:52 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: okay so I'll fix my deps for kpackagekit then, thanks for the info | 18:52 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I'll wait for your next packages and give you feedback | 18:52 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, sorry. It doesn't depend on packagekit because of the circular dependency | 18:53 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, the python backend is pure python code so there is no need for libpackagekit | 18:53 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, have you looked at my kpackagekit package? | 18:53 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: nope, anything special, like patches I may know about ? | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot014.png do we want that backported? ... there is a fairly good chance it will never get translated in rosetta | 18:54 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, no. | 18:56 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I'll have a look and will compare | 18:57 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I've just fixed the deps, kpackagekit now depends on packagekit directly instead of the backend | 18:57 |
| glatzor | Tonio_, right. this is the correct way | 18:58 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: also I've added a little patch so that kpackagekit-smart-icon autostarts | 18:58 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: I don't know why it's not by default... any idea on that point ? | 18:58 |
| Tonio_ | glatzor: oh, the code changed and the binary is now started by the backend.... let's remove that patch then... | 18:59 |
| Tonio_ | I should have grep the code when 0.3 was released... | 19:01 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that's new in 4.2? | 19:07 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Are you archive-admin today? | 19:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell, glatzor: I can confirm that gpk-application fails to perform package update too, so the problem may not be the kpackagekit side... | 19:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we'll have to wait a bit for tests... | 19:09 |
| smarter | Tonio_: you might want to have a look at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027220.html | 19:10 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: yeah that's what glatzor was telling me about... that's probably the cause... | 19:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yep | 19:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd do the backport on Bug 318345 as it fixes a security issue. | 19:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 318345 in gutsy-backports "Please backport dkim-milter 2.8.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1 to Intrepid/Hardy/Gutsy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318345 | 19:13 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: but it's not a permissions issue, even giving my user explicit permissions ends up d-bus errors... | 19:13 |
| ScottK | Speaking of which.... | 19:13 |
| * ScottK wonders how vorian is doing on the security update I gave him the other day... | 19:14 | |
| apachelogger | wohoo | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | neon ppa got signed pacakges now | 19:15 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Now figure out how to install your key locally so apt believes in it. So far I'm full of fail. | 19:16 |
| Riddell | signed with a launchpad ppa key surely? | 19:18 |
| ScottK | Right, but so far I didn't manage to install they key. | 19:18 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK just uploaded kdebluetooth.... package builds and it works with the patched kdebase-workspace... | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | pub 1024R/0F7992B0 2009-01-19 | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | uid Launchpad PPA for Project Neon | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Thanks. | 19:22 |
| * apachelogger adds neon to sources.list | 19:22 | |
| a|wen | ScottK: you need to click throug till you get the full public key; copy from "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----" to "-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----" both these lines should be included into a local file | 19:22 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK fyi, you already have the package I uploaded, there's no change in it | 19:22 |
| a|wen | ScottK: then do apt-key add on the file | 19:22 |
| ScottK | apt-key seems confused here about where to put it. | 19:23 |
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| ScottK | I'll try and sort it out later. | 19:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and fyi, as you requested yesterday, I enabled the tabs for kopete by default :) | 19:23 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Thanks. | 19:23 |
| a|wen | ScottK: that sounds a bit odd | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: works just fine here | 19:24 |
| ScottK | gpg: no writable keyring found: eof | 19:24 |
| seele | hey guys.. on the 4.1.4 upgrade announcement all of the screenshots say dapper | 19:24 |
| ScottK | I'll fiddle with it laterr then. | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 19:24 |
| seele | and the deb source listed in the help documentation says dapper | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | very weird | 19:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: gosh I never requested it, I've no idea what it even looks like | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | seele: the where the what the when? | 19:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hu ? | 19:25 |
| seele | oh jeez.. it lists all previous releases.. heh sorry | 19:25 |
| seele | i scrolled to the end of the page to see what the final steps were and they are all dapper instructions | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | seele: ah, thx for mentioning it | 19:26 |
| * apachelogger wanted to tell claydoh about that | 19:26 | |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you complained kopete shouldn't use several windows :) | 19:26 |
| Riddell | seele: URL? | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | I don't even see a reason why we would list $previous on the main wiki page | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | should all be moved to subpages | 19:27 |
| seele | 4.1.4 is third-party? | 19:27 |
| Riddell | second party :) | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 19:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: <Riddell> kopete is a mess of windows, it should learn to use tabs | 19:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: <Tonio_> Riddell: kde3 kopete had tabs by default within kds | 19:28 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 19:28 |
| * apachelogger doesn't think tabbing is a good idea for kopete | 19:28 | |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes I know but I havn't looked at the tabs at all | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | it disturbs the instantness | 19:28 |
| Riddell | I've no idea if it's better or not | 19:28 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: bah it was discussed a lot for kde3, and we got those... | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_, Riddell: meeting item | 19:28 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: our users are used to them | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: the enviornment changed | 19:28 |
| Tonio_ | hum... true | 19:29 |
| Tonio_ | on the other side, I don't see the difference with kopete and any other IM... | 19:29 |
| Tonio_ | all those have tabs by default except msn afaik :) | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | google talk doesn't either | 19:29 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: but I'm okay to renegociate this :) | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | thena gain google talk got nice plugging | 19:29 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: and people don't use it :) | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: well, talking about google talk means talking about 4 official clients ;-) | 19:30 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: most people don't use google talk... I was refering to YM, AIM, and so on | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | well, just because everyone else does it, doesn't mean it makes sense | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | everyone else stuffs loads of crap on the desktop :P | 19:30 |
| * apachelogger fixed neon \\o/ | 19:31 | |
| Riddell | yay! | 19:31 |
| apachelogger | now with all new qt-copy patch love :D | 19:31 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: meeting? | 19:32 |
| Riddell | oh, read wrong | 19:32 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: we'll discuss this item then :) | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: you are going to package koffice for krushday? | 19:33 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: any chance on the network manager plasmoid beng in a PPA? | 19:33 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: it is in the archives :) | 19:33 |
| rgreening | u uploaded | 19:33 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: well it is in NEW at least | 19:33 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: waiting for Riddell to have a look :) | 19:34 |
| rgreening | Tonio_: ok. I was wondering if a newer snapshot might fix my wep issues | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | nothing new there :P | 19:34 |
| Tonio_ | [ubuntu/jaunty] plasmoid-network-manager 0.0+svn913406-0ubuntu1 (New) | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: sebas is busy eating | 19:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: don't you see it ? | 19:34 |
| * apachelogger still thinks campKDE is about eating | 19:34 | |
| * apachelogger continues his never ending bad mood with waiting for mysql to finish testbuilding | 19:36 | |
| vorian | ScottK: i went back to work sunday, and have been a little busy | 19:40 |
| ScottK | vorian: Understand. | 19:40 |
| vorian | i was planning on finishing it tonight | 19:41 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: according to the svn log, the only fixed are graphical layout fixes... | 19:46 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: unfortunatelly I can't svn up right now, as the svn rejects me :) | 19:46 |
| Tonio_ | rgreening: as it worked with my wpa2/psk, I didn't check all the different things... I'll have a look at wep and standard wpa on friday | 19:47 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: is qt 4.5 in neon? | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | no | 19:50 |
| mrvanes | Riddel: kopete+msn is fixed now! ;) | 19:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: any suggestion how to address bug 319230 (with your archive admin hat)? | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/319230/+text) | 19:56 |
| Sput | apachelogger: it's about swimming too | 20:00 |
| rgreening | Riddell: any benefit to building qt4-x11-4.5.0-beta1 in prep for 4.5.0? | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | Sput: and drinking I suppose | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | and blogging it seems | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | but that is about it :P | 20:08 |
| seele | has anyone else had weirdness with 4.1.4's konsole? | 20:27 |
| ScottK | What kind of weirdness? | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it appears to me datadir breaks stuff | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | list missing sez: -./usr/sql-bench/limits/msql.cfg | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | that should actually be in share/mysql/ | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | at least it was in 5.0 | 20:30 |
| seele | ScottK: the scrollbar is on the left side, the font is wrong, when i list, the text isn't lined up, i can't screen -r | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | and usr/sql-bench is certainly not very FHSy | 20:31 |
| seele | there is a weird space between the _ and my terminal cursor | 20:31 |
| ScottK | seele: No. | 20:31 |
| ScottK | WFM here. | 20:31 |
| ScottK | Except the screen bit I'd have noticed all those. | 20:31 |
| smarter | seems to work here too | 20:32 |
| smarter | but yakuake is better anyway :p | 20:32 |
| seele | argh.. this is a fresh install + upgrade! | 20:32 |
| smarter | hmm, didn't see the 4.1.4 bit, I'm on 4.2rc1, sorry | 20:32 |
| smarter | I'll try to reproduce what you see on my dad computer which should be on 4.1.4 tomorrow | 20:33 |
| ScottK | smarter: In -proposed? | 20:33 |
| ScottK | 4.1.3 is in -updates | 20:33 |
| smarter | 4.1.4 is in -proposed atm? | 20:34 |
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| seele | what akonadi backend is used in 4.2 rc1? | 20:49 |
| apachelogger | seele: akonadi backend? | 20:50 |
| apachelogger | there is only mysql really :P | 20:50 |
| seele | hum.. this pim dev says there should be config files in .kde/share/config/akonadi_* | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | aye | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | seele: are there not? | 20:53 |
| seele | no | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | btw, I am in #kontact anyway | 20:53 |
| seele | oh, heh | 20:54 |
| seele | so uh.. downgrading is not recommended | 21:16 |
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| Riddell | Lure: just don't ship that plugin, remove it from the .orig | 21:34 |
| Riddell | Lure: is that code in KDE SVN? | 21:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: yes, and Gilles says it is OK (will forward you the e-mail) | 21:35 |
| Riddell | mm, that's really not in line with KDE's licence policy | 21:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: he has talke with Aaron and Achim | 21:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: see my e-mail | 21:38 |
| Lure | Riddell: do you know which part of license is not in line with free license requirements. The only one I can see would be Termination | 21:38 |
| smarter | !file cycle.h | 21:38 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about file cycle.h | 21:38 |
| Lure | but even that one is pretty vague (only for breach of license, which should not be an issue I suppose) | 21:39 |
| Riddell | "You may not modify the Documentation." that's not a great start | 21:40 |
| Riddell | "This Agreement is governed by the statutes and laws of the State of California" that's not very free | 21:43 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Probably OK for Ubuntu since we accept GFDL with invariant sections as OK. | 21:46 |
| Riddell | ScottK: where do we accept invariant sections? | 21:47 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Dunno. IIRC I've been told the one place we deviate from Debian on licensing policy is we take stuff with GFDL invariant sections In Main/Universe and they condem them to non-free. | 21:48 |
| ScottK | It could be I'm totally wrong about that. | 21:48 |
| * ScottK notes this stuff could be better documented. | 21:48 | |
| Riddell | we differ in other places, notably CC licences | 21:49 |
| ScottK | OK. | 21:50 |
| Riddell | yes, it should be documented, maybe I'll get that started at the distro team sprint | 21:50 |
| * ScottK would appreciate it. It's all folklore currently. | 21:50 | |
| Riddell | Lure: so, not sure about the strict location requirement, so long as there's no documentation included it's OK but now I'm grumpy that he didn't check with kde-licencing | 21:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: should we discuss this with kde-licensing? I can talk with gilles, even though he is sure it was taken care of... | 21:53 |
| Riddell | Lure: no I'll just check that the location clause is OK (it may well not be) and if it is I'll put a copy of the licence into SVN with a grumpy commit message | 21:54 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, RC tar's will be prepared tommorow morning, so it will be included | 21:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: I will then take care of the packages and followup with whatever ubuntu's decision would be (keep it or break to two packages) | 21:55 |
| Riddell | Lure: ok, it's fine | 21:58 |
| Lure | Riddell: interesting is also this: http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/license.html | 21:59 |
| Lure | Riddell: this is supposed to be only about DNG specification, but there are patents involved | 21:59 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I hate to be a pest (but not so much I won't do it), but I'd really appreciate getting Bug #318345 done due to a security issue it fixes. | 22:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 318345 in gutsy-backports "Please backport dkim-milter 2.8.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1 to Intrepid/Hardy/Gutsy" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/318345 | 22:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: not sure if this should be also included | 22:00 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I can't imagine you ever being a pest :) | 22:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: end of licence claims: "For licensing information on the DNG File Format Specification, which is not included in the DNG SDK, please visit: http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/license.html." | 22:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: so I suppose this does not apply to DNG SDK | 22:02 |
| Riddell | Lure: indeed not that's just the docs which we don't have | 22:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: but only to other implementations under DNG spec | 22:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: can you also add comment to the Ubuntu bug? | 22:03 |
| Riddell | Lure: yeah | 22:04 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks! | 22:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: done | 22:25 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thans. | 22:25 |
| ScottK | Thanks even | 22:25 |
| * ScottK jogs seele's elbow so maybe she remembers to get the big splash screen stuff for quassel done. | 22:29 | |
| * jussi01 huggles seele so she remembers the work on quassel is really appreciated | 22:32 | |
| * Sput gives seele a large cookie jar so she has something to munch on | 22:32 | |
| * apachelogger buys seele an executive jet, so she can get the huggles and cookies for real .... and can go to akademy :P | 22:45 | |
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