[00:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173932
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> and it's fixed for KDE 4.1.4. Bonus!
[00:07] <nixternal> hey, anyone know where the "clean" font comes from in KDE 4? I cannot find out where it gets installed from
[00:11]  * JontheEchidna doesn't see it
[00:12] <nixternal> interesting...it is coming in from somewhere and I cannot find the damn thing on my machine
[00:18] <seele> how do you schedule meetings on the fridge?
[01:01] <Riddell> seele: tell nixternal to add them
[01:06] <seele> Riddell: ok
[01:06] <seele> nixternal: ^^ add the kubuntu meeting to fridge :P
[01:06] <seele> so quiet tonight.. you'd think it was the weekend
[01:06] <neversfelde> I would like to package ksshaskpass, but it is in debian exprimental
[01:07] <neversfelde> sync isnt possible anymore
[01:07] <Riddell> neversfelde: why not?
[01:07] <neversfelde> can I do an ubuntu package?
[01:07] <Riddell> neversfelde: well why isn't a sync possible?
[01:08] <neversfelde> Riddell: I thought there is a freeze?
[01:08] <Riddell> no, you can still request syncs
[01:08] <Riddell> file a bug asking and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[01:08] <neversfelde> ah, so I shoul request a sync in launchpad
[01:09] <Riddell> yes
[01:10] <neversfelde> ok, thanks for info, will do it
[01:12] <vorian> neversfelde: do you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed?
[01:12] <neversfelde> yes
[01:12] <neversfelde> in a jaunty chroot
[01:13] <nixternal> seele: adding it now
[01:13] <nixternal> seele: date and time UTC please
[01:16] <seele> jan 28 22UTC
[01:16] <seele> nixternal: thanks
[01:18] <nixternal> bah, can't do it on a weekend huh
[01:19] <vorian> neversfelde: sorry :/
[01:19] <vorian> got pulled away
[01:20] <vorian> neversfelde: use 'requestsync ksshaskpass 0.5.1-1 -n'
[01:20] <neversfelde> vorian: mhh
[01:20] <neversfelde> will try it
[01:20] <vorian> it automates the sync request for you
[01:22] <neversfelde> You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox.
[01:22] <neversfelde> You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox.
[01:22] <neversfelde> You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox.
[01:22] <neversfelde> sorry
[01:22] <vorian> do you have your bashrc edited with your identification?
[01:23] <neversfelde> launchpad iidentification?
[01:24] <vorian> the sync request will send an email to launchpad with your information
[01:24] <vorian> in you bashrc, you can add a couple of lines like:
[01:25] <neversfelde> there is DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL
[01:25] <vorian> right
[01:26] <neversfelde> right for launchpad?
[01:27] <vorian> are you logged into launchpad right now?
[01:28] <neversfelde> yes
[01:29] <nixternal> hey, someone decided at the fridge to use fucking google cal so i followed their dumb ass rules and it has it set for the fuckin' 29th
[01:29] <nixternal> ARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:29] <vorian> neversfelde: i don't know then
[01:29] <vorian> sorry
[01:29] <vorian> you'll have to file it the old fasion way
[01:29] <vorian> :)
[01:30] <nixternal> so I had to create a damn google calendar now...insane
[01:30] <vorian> nixternal: blame boredandblogging
[01:30] <vorian> i think :P
[01:30] <nixternal> no, I will not blame it all on him
[01:30] <nixternal> I HATE GOOGLE!!!
[01:30] <nixternal> BUT I LOVE THEIR BURRITOS
[01:30] <vorian> ha
[01:30] <neversfelde> vorian: no problem, I will look into that issue tomorrow
[01:30] <vorian> okie
[01:31] <neversfelde> btw why is there no kubuntu.org twitter and identi.ca user?
[01:31] <neversfelde> the feed should be posted there
[01:32] <vorian> ryanakca: ^
[01:32] <vorian> :P
[01:32] <vorian> i dunno
[01:32] <neversfelde> I could register it
[01:33] <neversfelde> and twitterfeed will post it there
[01:33] <nixternal> alrighty seele: the meeting is up
[01:34] <nixternal> from now on damnit, any of you can add a meeting
[01:36] <neversfelde> ryanakca: ping^
[01:37] <seele> nixternal: cool
[01:46] <neversfelde> kubuntu-de.org is on twitter
[01:46] <neversfelde> http://twitter.com/kubuntudeorg
[01:46] <neversfelde> kubuntu.org should do the same
[01:49] <neversfelde> ah of course
[01:49] <neversfelde> http://identi.ca/kubuntudeorg
[01:50] <astromme> identi.ca, yay =)
[01:50]  * astromme is on http://identi.ca/astromme
[01:52] <neversfelde> astromme: use choqoK :)
[01:52] <astromme> neversfelde: I use KDE::Twitter plasmoid which supports identi.ca finally
[01:52] <neversfelde> choqoK supports it too
[01:53] <neversfelde> great app
[01:53] <astromme> neversfelde: Yeah, I'm sure it does =). It's a great app, I agree, but I'd prefer to have a simple plasmoid. I don't need more.
[01:53] <neversfelde> :)
[01:59] <ryanakca> neversfelde: *shrug*... perhaps because I don't use either... but if you want to sign us up, feel free :)
[01:59] <neversfelde> I'll do
[02:01] <LaserJock> I don't like having a twitter plasmoid
[02:07] <neversfelde> ryanakca: where is kubunut.org rss feed?
[02:09] <ryanakca> neversfelde: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/feed
[02:09] <neversfelde> ryanakca: got it
[02:09] <neversfelde> :)
[02:09] <ryanakca> :)
[02:11]  * ryanakca scratches his head and wonders why klash only installs /usr/share/doc/klash/{changelog.Debian.gz,changelog.gz,copyright}
[02:13] <neversfelde> http://identi.ca/kubuntuorg
[02:13] <neversfelde> so follow us on identi.ca
[02:14] <astromme> LaserJock: Why not?
[02:15] <astromme> neversfelde: Why not identi.ca/kubuntu?
[02:15] <astromme> neversfelde: it's free
[02:16] <LaserJock> astromme: because when I'm showing my boss something I don't need the latest twitter junk on my desktop :-)
[02:16] <neversfelde> astromme: youre right
[02:16] <LaserJock> if I can put it away and then bring it up it'd be nice
[02:16] <neversfelde> and changed
[02:16] <neversfelde> http://identi.ca/kubuntu
[02:16] <LaserJock> but it's just in your face
[02:21] <neversfelde> twiiter is down
[02:22] <neversfelde> astromme: changed back to kubuntuorg, cauce kubuntu is already used in twitter
[02:24] <astromme> neversfelde: Oh... ok. You don't just want to do identi.ca?
[02:24] <neversfelde> astromme: we should use twitter, its closed source but popular
[02:25] <neversfelde> identi.ca of course too
[02:25] <astromme> neversfelde: meh, sure it's popular.... but if people always use both nobody has an incentive to move to identi.ca
[02:25] <neversfelde> astromme: mhh
[02:26] <neversfelde> it is a generald discussion
[02:27] <astromme> true, true
[02:32] <neversfelde> I asked a twitter admin
[03:03]  * ScottK doesn't consider identi.ca particulalry free, you can't actually modify their software unless you want to be a software distributor.
[03:05]  * ScottK gets some headache medicine in preparation for diving into kdebluetooth.
[03:32] <ScottK> Too much headache, so no bluetooth tonight.
[03:39] <LaserJock> JontheEchidna: any ideas on bug #316256?
[04:22] <rgreening> apachelogger: ping
[04:32] <nixternal> hrmm, how come opera hasn't switched to qt4 yet? opera is by far the best web browser out there I think...it is so fast!
[04:37]  * ScottK considers nixternal's addiction to proprietary software confirmed.
[04:37] <nixternal> firefox sucks, konqueror sucks...what is left?
[04:37] <nhandler> links2 ;)
[04:38] <nhandler> And Internet Explorer/Safari/Chrome
[04:38] <ScottK> FF3 I like the best since FF1.
[04:43] <rgreening> gopher is da bomb
[04:43] <rgreening> :P
[04:48] <ScottK> nhandler: Since Safari also uses khtml, it's suckage aligns pretty well with Konquerors.
[06:03] <astromme> Honestly I'm happy with Konqueror...
[06:03] <astromme> There are a couple of sites that don't work perfectly
[06:03] <astromme> But most things work well
[06:04] <astromme> And interestingly the things that seem not to work perfectly (gmail, digg) I use desktop apps for (KMail, Akregator)
[06:24] <LaserJock> ScottK: still up?
[07:05] <jussi01> hrm, anyone else having the logout button in lancelot or the shutdown plasmoid just log them straight out and not ask to shut down , restart or logout?
[09:48] <NCommander> ScottK, what was that plasmoid you wanted met o looka t?
[09:48] <NCommander> apachelogger, ping
[09:57] <a|wen> g'evening everyone
[09:58]  * a|wen has finally got over the whole christmas / moving to another country part and found some decent internet ... so apologizes for being MIA lately
[09:59] <Riddell> which country did you move to a|wen?
[09:59] <a|wen> Riddell: thailand
[09:59] <a|wen> (or at least temporarily for the next half year)
[10:01] <Riddell> gosh, not worried about coups?
[10:03] <a|wen> only a little, they have a history for many coups, but not violent ones ... but was a little worried when they closed the airport
[10:07]  * a|wen was thinking about upgrading our version of kdesvn; new upstream bugfix release avaible ... any interest?
[10:09] <a|wen> Riddell: ^^
[10:13] <Riddell> a|wen: go for it
[10:14] <mrvanes> Riddell: Did you recompile and package kopete yesterday?
[10:15] <Riddell> dunno, let's see what launchpad says
[10:16] <Riddell> 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3 seems to be compiled
[10:16] <mrvanes> Well.. there was an update and it now has wlm again... only, I can't login?
[10:16] <mrvanes> with wlm that is...
[10:16] <mrvanes> I guess it's compiled agains libmsn now (yay!) but it doesn't seem to do much?
[10:17] <mrvanes> have you tested it?
[10:17] <mrvanes> or should I file bug?
[10:18] <Riddell> works for me
[10:18] <mrvanes> Hmmm... :(
[10:18] <Riddell> what happens when you try and log in?
[10:18] <mrvanes> Connecting......
[10:19] <mrvanes> (that's what happens)
[10:19] <mrvanes> And then no connection
[10:19] <mrvanes> I'm quite sure the username/pwd are correct cause I can login in ms live site
[10:19] <mrvanes> amd64 btw
[10:23] <Riddell> hmm, I can't test amd64
[10:23] <Riddell> anyone else able to test MSN/WLM in kopete jaunty on amd64?
[10:26] <mrvanes> I'll try to launch kopete from console to see if I get a bit more info
[10:27] <mrvanes> Not much of value
[10:30] <mrvanes> When I quit I get a notice: Cannot connect with the instant messaging server or peers and a button "more..." that doesn't do anything :(
[10:42] <Riddell> I think we just need to wait until someone else can test it on amd64
[11:01] <mrvanes> ok
[11:15] <Tonio_> ScottK uploading kdebluetooth in a moment
[11:15] <Tonio_> ScottK did you look at the package ?
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about plasmoid-network-manager ? should I upload and ask people to test ?
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: it'll not conflict with the current one, so... I'd go for an upload even if it won't work for some people
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: go for it
[11:25] <allee> Kubuntu/Meetings lists Sat,  Jan 28.    Is it the 28th or Saturday?
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[11:26] <Riddell> allee: it's Wednesday 28th, see topic
[11:26] <Riddell> allee: please edit
[11:26] <allee> Riddell: ok
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: kpackagekit ftbfs, while working in a local pbuilder.... checking what the problem is
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: problem at configure.... strange...
[11:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: they failed to compile yesterday because libpackagekit-qt2 didn't contain any files
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: mv libpackagekit-qt0.install libpackagekit-qt2.install
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can kick me...
[11:29] <Tonio_> I'm too tired actually to think about everything when working...
[11:30] <Riddell> retrying kpackagekit now
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: does it need reupload or can you restart the build ?
[11:32] <Riddell> I've restarted it
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: great...
[11:33] <Tonio_> can't wait to be finished with the appartment :) I've been sleeping by 3 am to wake up at 6h30 for 10 days at least...
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: plasmoid-network-manager should be in NEW
[11:38] <cbr> hmm.. kopete got rebuilt with libmsn support, right
[11:38] <cbr> the bastard wont connect for me though
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you want to test kpackagekit, take care at setting the permissions with policykit-kde in the first place
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no desktop file for the binary doing this, but you should see it in systemsettings, or use polkit-kde-authorization binary
[11:40] <mrvanes> cbr: ru on amd64 perhaps?
[11:41] <cbr> i386
[11:41] <mrvanes> good, so it's not isolated to amd64 ;)
[11:42] <mrvanes> Riddell says works for him, it doesn't for me but I'm on amd64
[11:42] <cbr> i say it to connect.. and that's it
[11:42] <cbr> nothing happens at all
[11:42] <mrvanes> exactly... same here
[11:42]  * smarter has working msn support with Kopete for quiet some times now
[11:42] <smarter> on 64bits
[11:43] <mrvanes> so what are we doing wrong?
[11:47] <cbr> okay, tried removing kopeterc but all that did was that i lost my conf
[11:51] <Tonio_> hum I can't connect to kde svn right now... connection refused
[11:51] <cbr> also i have my contact list full of (disconnected) empty contacts
[11:51] <cbr> those used to be msn contacts previously
[11:51] <cbr> what should i do with 'em
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're gonna kill me.....
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a problem with kpackagekit in the deps... it should depend on policykit-kde | policykit-gnome, and not kpackagekit-kde | kpackagekit-gnome...
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixing and reuploading...
[11:58] <Tm_T> Tonio_: =)
[12:00] <Tonio_> Tm_T: not concentrated enough ^^
[12:01] <Tm_T> kpackagekit-gnome is nice dependency =)
[12:02] <Tonio_> haha :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'm doing lots of little errors like these atm.... I'm lacking sleep, I think...
[12:02] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I know the feeling
[12:03] <Nightrose> Tonio_: anonsvn is down
[12:03] <Tm_T> Tonio_: wifes mother was babysitting last night so we could sleep at once
[12:03] <Tm_T> Nightrose: indeed it is
[12:03] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I know, well I discovered it :) hope it'll not be too long :)
[12:03] <Tm_T> Nightrose: Tonio_: anonsvn is down and host master is notified, we are waiting the fix
[12:03] <Tonio_> Tm_T: oki ;)
[12:04] <Nightrose> hehe yea - but the one responsible for it is having a good time in jamaica :P
[12:04] <Nightrose> so don't expect it to get fixed too soon
[12:04] <Tonio_> Nightrose: :)
[12:04] <Tm_T> Nightrose: exactly
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't seem to connect to MSN with your kopete upload.... can be msn issue, I'll let you know
[12:18] <Riddell> wibble
[12:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: run kbuildsycoca4 ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> lemme test
[12:19] <Tonio_> hum does seem to fix...
[12:19] <Tonio_> doesn't...
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: amsn connects me...
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: is your upload identical to the package I tested yesterday ?
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: should be yes
[12:23] <Tm_T> Tonio_: glad we don't share libraries with amsn (;)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, even removing the account doesn't help....
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about you, does it work ?
[12:24] <Riddell> I think so
[12:24] <Tonio_> hum... weird...
[12:25] <Tm_T> I so want this ... http://www2.smarttech.com/NR/rdonlyres/2131D4ED-4B73-4AFD-8C0F-E1B5D40619C2/0/SpecSheetSB660i3v7.pdf
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: you presumably have /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_wlm.so ?
[12:28] <Tonio_> I do
[12:28] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ok, so, how it doesn't work?
[12:28] <Tonio_> hum kdebase-workspace ftbfs on lpia.... worked in a pbuilder, sounds bad
[12:28] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it stays on "connecting" status forever
[12:29] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ah, and you use wlm plugin and not old msn plugin?
[12:29] <Tonio_> wlm
[12:29] <Tm_T> interesting
[12:29] <Tm_T> Tonio_: can you get some debug output from it?
[12:29] <Tm_T> Tonio_: install kdenetwork-dbg and run then kopete from konsole
[12:29] <Tonio_> putting a bad password ends up with an error message, so the server is reached
[12:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yup
[12:30] <Tm_T> Tonio_: let's see what you get
[12:35] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that won't output anything interesting :) nothing more in fact
[12:35] <Tm_T> what's the last bit?
[12:35] <Tm_T> aka to what it halts?
[12:36] <Tonio_> Tm_T: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/107303/
[12:36] <Tonio_> I get nothing else in the output
[12:36] <Tonio_> and nothing outputs when I set it to connect
[12:36] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[12:37] <Tm_T> weirdoh
[12:37] <Tonio_> and kdenetwork-dbg is installed
[12:37] <Tonio_> Tm_T: do I miss something ?
[12:37] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I have no idea...
[12:37] <Tm_T> Tonio_: are youre kdenetwork and kdenetwork-dbg in same version?
[12:37] <Tonio_> yes
[12:38] <Tm_T> roger
[12:38] <Tm_T> so that doesn't explain it
[12:38] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well I don't have kdenetwork package installed, since that's a metapackage
[12:39] <Tonio_> but my kopete and kdenetwork-dbg are the same version
[12:39] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yeah but you got the point I believe (:)
[12:39] <Tm_T> Nightrose: can you slap ade?
[12:39] <Nightrose> i can try
[12:39] <Nightrose> sec
[12:39] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:41] <Nightrose> ok he is not up yet but Orville will tell him when he sees him
[12:41] <Tm_T> Nightrose: thanks a million, hugs for you all there
[12:42]  * Nightrose is not there! :(
[12:42] <Nightrose> *sob*
[12:42] <Nightrose> sitting in cold and wet germany
[12:42] <Nightrose> i just have a few of the guys on my jabber list ;-)
[12:42] <Tm_T> Nightrose: well you are there as much as I am
[12:42] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:43] <Tm_T> Nightrose: and come here if you feel wet and cold
[12:43] <a|wen> Tonio_: what about installing libmsn0.1-dbg ?
[12:43] <Tm_T> Nightrose: I'm waiting -40 °C weathers here
[12:43] <Tm_T> a|wen: ah, good point, son
[12:43] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:43] <a|wen> thx Tm_T :)
[12:44] <Tm_T> Nightrose: I hate these 0..-5 weathers and barely snow at all, boooring
[12:44] <Tm_T> 1 meter snow it should be <3
[12:44] <Nightrose> :P
[12:45] <Nightrose> sun and 30°C it should be
[12:45] <Nightrose> and water
[12:45] <Nightrose> lots of it
[12:45] <a|wen> Nightrose: that's how it is here :)
[12:45] <Nightrose> like in...
[12:45] <Nightrose> Jamaica!
[12:45] <Nightrose> a|wen: heeh where are you?
[12:45] <a|wen> Nightrose: bangkok, thailand
[12:46] <Nightrose> awwww
[12:46]  * Nightrose demands a teleporter
[12:46]  * a|wen will talk to the physics department about getting that :P
[12:47] <Nightrose> haha
[12:47] <Nightrose> thx
[12:49] <a|wen> hehe, np ... maybe they could beam a better internet connection through it too
[12:50] <Tm_T> better? what's wrong with current one?
[12:50] <Tonio_> a|wen: testing this :)
[12:51] <a|wen> Tm_T: a bit "shaky" at times ... and 15 times slower than what i am used to
[12:51] <Tonio_> a|wen: no debug messages...
[12:51] <Tm_T> a|wen: heh, I have reasonable connection here
[12:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: that kinda sucks
[12:51] <Tonio_> a|wen: I don't know how to get the output in fact
[12:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: try http method if it's available?
[12:51] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well I can strace, ;)
[12:52] <Tonio_> Tm_T: there's no option for that...
[12:52] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'm also missing kopete tabs, to be honnest
[12:52] <Tm_T> Tonio_: errr, what?
[12:52] <a|wen> Tonio_: yeah ... that's the problem about having it not crash but just don't work
[12:53] <Tonio_> a|wen: am I crazy or did thy remove that ?
[12:53] <Tm_T> Tonio_: remove what?
[12:53] <Tonio_> the tabs....
[12:53] <a|wen> Tonio_: they are disabled by default now ... you can enable them in the options
[12:53] <Tm_T> oh right, some people might have defaults (:
[12:53] <Tonio_> a|wen: where ? I'll fix kds to enable that by default... but I can't find the option graphically
[12:54] <a|wen> behaviour > chat > grouping
[12:54] <Tonio_> a|wen: isn't that grouping the consecutive messages ?
[12:55] <a|wen> Tonio_: it is grouping by window
[12:55] <a|wen> aka tabs :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> ah cool
[12:56] <Tonio_> a|wen: I'll enable the tabs by default then :)
[12:56] <Tm_T> Tonio_: thanks <3
[12:57] <a|wen> Tonio_: :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> the setting should be in "chat window", that's bad
[12:57] <a|wen> Tonio_: would make more sense to me also
[12:58] <Tm_T> indeed
[12:59] <Tonio_> +[Behavior]
[12:59] <Tonio_> +chatWindowGroupPolicy=GroupByAccount
[12:59] <Tonio_> got it, let's fix kubuntu-default-settings :)
[13:00] <a|wen> would be +1 from me :)
[13:07] <Tonio_> a|wen: kubuntu-default-settings building :)
[13:07] <a|wen> :)
[13:17] <Tonio_> NCommander: kdebase-workspace ftbfs... I built it successfully yesterday...
[13:18] <Tonio_> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21472200/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.96-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:18] <Tonio_> NCommander: the build issue has nothing to do with my changes (just a patch on sources for solid...)
[13:18] <Tonio_> NCommander: any idea what's can go wrong ? anything to do with your changes ?
[13:18] <Tonio_> the wird thing is that it built yesterday for me in pbuilder
[13:19] <NCommander> wtf
[13:19] <NCommander> It did for me too
[13:19] <Tonio_> NCommander: don't know...
[13:19] <Tonio_> the ubuntu4 ?
[13:19] <NCommander> *lost*
[13:19] <NCommander> Something going wrong
[13:19] <Tonio_> yeah that's weird..... I have the debs in my pbuilder/result.... I don't see the point since the issue is with debian/rules at some points...
[13:23] <Tonio_> NCommander: retesting the build locally....
[13:24]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[13:24] <NCommander> Tonio_, I'm somewhat busy today, so if you could look into it, I'd greatly apperiate it
[13:25] <Tonio_> NCommander: sure will do
[13:25] <Tonio_> dh_install -pkdebase-workspace-data --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[13:25] <Tonio_> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/autostart/common': No such file or directory
[13:25] <Tonio_> doesn't make sense to me....
[13:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/about-kubuntu-1.ogv
[13:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: any change in kdelibs or patch we may know that changes the docs at some points ?
[13:26] <apachelogger> Tonio_: list
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'll take a look after I add some info to a KDE bug
[13:26]  * apachelogger changed the global documentation path
[13:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now!!!
[13:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: AH !!!!!!!!!!
[13:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what would be the correct path then ?
[13:26] <apachelogger> kde/HTML
[13:27] <Tonio_> oki.... we may have lots of changes to do in kde packages then :)
[13:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: did you fix the bzr debian folder according to this ?
[13:27] <Tonio_> for all packages I mean
[13:27] <apachelogger> nope
[13:27] <apachelogger> scheduled for 4.2.0
[13:27] <apachelogger> which will arrive for packaging soonish
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> colplay!
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> coldplay!
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> rather
[13:28] <apachelogger> :D
[13:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll do it for kdebase-workspace if you don't mind, ScottK needs my kdebluetooth, which needs kdebase-workspace to be built...
[13:28]  * apachelogger actually thinks that embedding a video instead of the logo makes much more sense
[13:28] <apachelogger> with a video you can communicate emotion and stuff
[13:29] <apachelogger> the logo is just that, a logo
[13:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: don't mind me doing the changes ?
[13:29] <apachelogger> Tonio_: fine with me ... less work for whoever udates workspace ;-)
[13:29] <Tonio_> yup
[13:30] <apachelogger> vorian: what do you think about my about kubuntu dialog?
[13:30] <apachelogger> maybe we should just talk about my screencasts folder at our talk ... loads of weird stuff in there :D
[13:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, suggestions about application launcher branding?
[13:33]  * apachelogger is not sure how to get the kubuntu logo there
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> aparently fedora does it, maybe we could spy on them
[13:34] <jjesse> why would we want to change it?  isn't that part of us being a "kde" distro is we keep some of the branding?
[13:34] <apachelogger> well, the technical part is easy enough
[13:34] <apachelogger> just change it to use start-here-kde-kubuntu and ship -kubuntu along kds
[13:34] <Tonio_> apachelogger: commited the changes to bzr... testing the build locally and waiting
[13:35] <apachelogger> k
[13:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the what artwork would we be using part is more difficult
[13:35] <Tonio_> ScottK kdebase-workspace discarded a bit due to some changes I wasn't aware of ;) you may get the kdebluetooth commited toonight :)
[13:35] <apachelogger> our plain logo clashes with the blue plasma panel theme
[13:35] <apachelogger> I added a darkish shadow, but that doesn't improve it at alot
[13:36] <apachelogger> and from my point of view the approach vorian pasted some time ago ... combining the KDE logo with ours ... is bad due to branding clashes and confused users
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you have a point
[13:37] <apachelogger> we could use air as default theme though ;-)
[13:37] <apachelogger> that is what I used in the screencast
[13:37] <apachelogger> IMHO the logo looks decent with that coloring
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah, air rocks
[14:02] <apachelogger> uh
[14:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/WOTM
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[14:05]  * a|wen doesn't like when people goes around renaming library names
[14:05] <apachelogger> a|wen: who would do such a thing?
[14:06] <a|wen> the kdesvn developer ... libsvnqt renamed to libsvnqt4 some time back; and is now renamed back again
[14:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mysql-dfsg-5.1_5.1.30-2ubuntu4.debdiff
[14:09] <Riddell> --datadir=/usr/share/mysql-5.1  is mildly inelegant but I think better than mucking around with autofoo
[14:10] <apachelogger> well, it moves aclocal also to that sub directory, wouldn't cause problems?
[14:10]  * apachelogger didn't go ahead with datadir because of this
[14:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's aclocal for?
[14:11] <Riddell> seems to be an empty directory
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: related to autohell I think
[14:12] <apachelogger> hm
[14:12] <apachelogger> ...maybe it would be enough to move the aclocal stuff manually
[14:12] <Riddell> what aclocal stuff?  it's an empty directory
[14:13] <apachelogger> wasn't for me
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll look into it, thanks so far :)
[14:13] <Riddell> amarok needs a recompile against but works fine after
[14:13] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- root/root      4183 2009-01-15 22:21 ./usr/share/mysql-5.1/aclocal/mysql.m4
[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose creating a link to usr/share/aclocal should be enough
[14:20] <Riddell> mm, well spotted
[14:20]  * Riddell adds a mysql-server-data-5.1.links file
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can do that
[14:24] <apachelogger> I have to add some amarok-mysql replaces anyway
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, shouldn't it be arch all?
[14:26] <Riddell> quite right, http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mysql-dfsg-5.1_5.1.30-2ubuntu4.debdiff updated
[14:26] <Riddell> nobody seems to have complained about my mysql 5.0 change so I think I'll just upload that
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: KDE 4.1.4 is the last 4.1 series release, correct?
[14:30] <apachelogger> aye
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> k, cool
[14:30] <Riddell> better be :)
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> hehe, just need to know for conflicts/replace purposes
[14:30] <Riddell> so guys, what are my 10 pet bugs for jaunty?
[14:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna will know
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> I only ever saw the system-config-printer-kde one
[14:32]  * apachelogger wishes one could do direct queries to the bug database
[14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, something everyone whines about about never gets fixed
[14:32] <apachelogger> ahhh
[14:32] <apachelogger> http cleaner
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, so he's wanting suggestions, not giving a pop quiz
[14:32] <apachelogger> or whatever that thing is that constantly pops up on gnome desktops and makes them crazy
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes, looking for suggestions
[14:33] <a|wen> kdesvn update ready: http://awen.dk/packages/kdesvn/ <-- if anybody has time to have a look :)
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: does it have to be anywhere in particular in the stack?
[14:33] <Riddell> does anyone else fine that on login a resumed konqueror sessions always displays the bookmarks toolbar?
[14:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: well KDE/Kubuntu related would make sense
[14:34] <ScottK> NCommander: The plasmoid in question (that FTBFS on arm) was plasmoid-toggle-compositing.
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> because there's a really annoying driver bug that drives my dad crazy with KDE4
[14:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I think the idea is I'd try and fix them
[14:34] <Riddell> dri
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, heh
[14:34] <Riddell> I'm unlikely to fix drivers
[14:34] <ScottK> a|wen: Welcome back and yes, I think a kdesvn update is a great idea.
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's what I thought
[14:35] <apachelogger> if drivers were written in ruby
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> he just turned composting off in xorg.conf since he's a codger who doesn't like desktop effects anyway
[14:35] <apachelogger> they would be dead slow but easy to fix :P
[14:35] <a|wen> thx ScottK ... it is ready for you to look at (sponsor) if you want
[14:35] <ScottK> Tonio_: I did not get to look at bluetooth last night.  I had a really bad headache instead.
[14:35] <ScottK> a|wen: Perhaps I'll look at it in a bit.
[14:36] <jussi01> I asked this morning, but no one was about. can anyone confirm this behavoiur in the RC1 for me?
[14:36] <jussi01> [09:05:25] <jussi01> hrm, anyone else having the logout button in lancelot or the shutdown plasmoid just log them straight out and not ask to shut down , restart or logout?
[14:36] <a|wen> ScottK: cool thx
[14:37] <Riddell> jussi01: I think that happens when ksmserver crashes
[14:37] <jussi01> Riddell: ahh
[14:40] <ScottK> Riddell: How about ark can't open a tar.gz inside a ar archive (bugs me because I used to use ark to inspect .deb contents) <- Top bug input.
[14:40] <ScottK> Bugs the heck out of me, but probably no one else.
[14:40] <ScottK> Dunno if it's already fixed in 4.2.
[14:42]  * vorian would like kde to detect my iphone
[14:42] <Riddell> ScottK: didn't ark upstream hang around here for a bit for us to poke?
[14:43] <ScottK> Riddell: That was metellius or some similar.  Not here now.
[14:43] <a|wen> ScottK: seems to be fixed in 4.2
[14:43] <ScottK> a|wen: Excellent.  Thanks.
[14:43]  * ScottK considers to upgrade to 4.2 right after the 4.1.4 SRU gets accepted.
[14:45] <a|wen> but would be nice if you could right-click + open-with on a file in ark ... that bugs the heck out of me
[14:45] <Riddell> plasma config knowledge dudes, is anyone able to add the power plasmoid to our default setup?
[14:46] <apachelogger> oh
[14:46] <apachelogger> we _need_ to drop stuff from the panel
[14:46] <apachelogger> it is getting super crowded
[14:47] <ScottK> But that power one replaces guidance, so it doesn't make it worse.
[14:47] <apachelogger> with power manager and network ma
[14:47] <apachelogger> nager it uses half my screen
[14:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: it does, plasmoids are bigger than systray icons
[14:47] <Riddell> I do hope these applets can go back into the system tray for 4.3
[14:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Right.  OK, a little.
[14:48] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:48]  * apachelogger thinks we could drop trash and show-dashboard
[14:49] <apachelogger> + add rules for hidding systray icons
[14:49] <vorian> +1 on dropping show-dashboard
[14:49] <ScottK> +1 here too.
[14:50] <ScottK> Trash I think you either have to have it in the tray or on the 'desktop'.
[14:50] <ScottK> It's best where it is.
[14:50] <apachelogger> well
[14:50] <Riddell> can't say I've ever used the wastebin and I'm not even convinced non-geeks use it either
[14:50] <apachelogger> trash management is part of file management, file management is done by dolphin
[14:51] <apachelogger> and that certainly got a nice visible link to the trash
[14:51] <astromme> I'd say it's not necessary
[14:51] <astromme> Dolphin has a trash icon right there
[14:51] <jussi01> +1
[14:51] <ScottK> -1
[14:51] <astromme> And we don't use trash for say.... remvoing devices or unmounting disk images (a la another os out there)
[14:51] <Riddell> ScottK: rationale?
[14:52] <ScottK> Windows and MacOS both have it.  It's something people expect.  Having it not there would be something 'missing' to new users.  I think making it easy to have it go away and never come back is great for people that don't want it.
[14:53]  * ScottK confesses to use it when hard drive space gets tight (and is almost never in Dolphin when it comes up)
[14:54] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[14:54] <apachelogger> well, lets move it to desktop
[14:54] <apachelogger> we have lots of space there ;-)
[14:54] <a|wen> i'm with scottk on the trash
[14:54] <ScottK> True, but I don't think we want to break the clean desktop.
[14:55] <jussi01> top left corner... apachelogger :P
[14:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: we don't have a clean desktop
[14:55] <Riddell> we already do with folderview and notes applet
[14:55] <apachelogger> we have folderview + notes on it
[14:55] <Riddell> and cashew
[14:55] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:55] <ScottK> True, but the fact that it's already slightly polluted doesn't recommend more, IMO.
[14:55] <vorian> <3 the cashew
[14:55] <Riddell> although I don't see what use it is on the desktop since it would hardly be visible with the way I work
[14:55]  * apachelogger would rather kick notes from the desktop than keep trash in the panel
[14:55] <ScottK> Make the hplip thing go away.
[14:55] <jussi01> hate the cashew
[14:56]  * a|wen notes that hiding systray icons is in kde4.2
[14:56] <vorian> +1 on kicking notes!
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: not everyone hides his desktops underneath windows ;-)
[14:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: that only is active you have a hp machine I think
[14:56] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, notes should go
[14:56] <ScottK> Nevermind then (I do have one).
[14:56]  * apachelogger doesn't have it and still finds the panel too crowded
[14:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we never got that translated anyway, did we?
[14:57] <ScottK> Without the Show Desktop widget I would never see mine.
[14:57] <Riddell> the HP thing is annoying and should go away, printer-applet should work for everyone and we don't want manufacturer branding else you end up with a Windows style mess
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nope, which is why it should go :P
[14:57] <a|wen> Riddell: auto-hide the HP-thing as default?
[14:57]  * vorian suggest quicklaunch and power only
[14:57] <apachelogger> a|wen: more like kick it off the CD
[14:57] <Riddell> a|wen: or just not install it?
[14:57] <rgreening> apachelogger: I can't seem to get batbuild runing. I get a Ruby error...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> the two things I remove from the systray immediately are kwalletmanager and korganizer
[14:57] <apachelogger> it uses pyqt3
[14:57] <a|wen> an even better solution :)
[14:57] <apachelogger> which pulls in pyqt3 + qt3 which both ought to be dropped
[14:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: autohiding
[14:58] <ScottK> Since it's easy to hide stuff and adding stuff is not so easily discoverable, I think leaving more there and letting people remove what they don't want is the way to go.
[14:58] <rgreening> apachelogger: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/kreadwriteconfig.rb:60:in `read': undefined local variable or method `file' for #<KConfig:0xb7da22f0 @file="--file
[14:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: crowded desktop gives bad reviews
[14:59] <apachelogger> rgreening: uhhh, latest b0rkage :D
[14:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: fix?
[14:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: If we cared about reviews we wouldn't be picking vapourware like kpackagekit.
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> actually we got bad reviews for not using kpackagekit last time around where Fedora was
[15:00] <apachelogger> Pushed up to revision 57.
[15:00] <apachelogger> rgreening: try with that revision
[15:00]  * apachelogger didn't push for quite some time
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> mostly because of the problems with adept I'd assume but...
[15:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Does it work?
[15:00] <apachelogger> dude, we had a package manager in intrepid that barely worked :P
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> I don't know, my dad doesn't use it. He uses yum
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> he hates GUI package managers
[15:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Agreed.
[15:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: AFAICT thought kpackagekit works less.
[15:01] <ScottK> thought/though
[15:02] <apachelogger> worked quite nice on intrepid, even though that was a pretty old snapshot
[15:02] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: me too ... except aptitude (if that can be called gui)
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> heh, ncurses guis ftw
[15:02] <a|wen> heh :)
[15:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that the lack of conffile handling is a fatal flaw.  I know others feel different.
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, uh, I have one! bug 289264
[15:07] <rgreening> apachelogger: ok. will try again...
[15:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: got it thanks
[15:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: I find not-updating cache and a search that doesn't return results most of the time worse, at least from a user perspective
[15:28] <apachelogger> NCommander: are you going to coordinate 4.2.0 or not?
[15:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree those are significant.  I didn't know about those.
[15:29] <NCommander> apachelogger, I apologize, I have too much on my plate to do it.
[15:30] <apachelogger> NCommander: ok
[15:30]  * apachelogger should go to bad early today, so he can do loads of reviews :D
[15:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess we should poke the edubuntu people with bug 286655
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think I'm done with mysql, I'll testbuild once I am home and poke zul if all goes well
[15:36] <apachelogger> => train
[15:51] <rgreening> apachelogger: that seems to have fixed things
[16:02] <Riddell> Launchpad Bug Tracking on in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:03] <ScottK> seele: New quassel in my PPA.  You can log out of KDE now.
[16:11] <wesley_> Is there already a bug reported about fsck failing to check a ext4 ?
[16:11] <Riddell> I've no idea
[16:11] <wesley_> Because i saw that error ive put all my file systems in Linux to ext4
[16:11] <Riddell> we do KDE
[16:12] <wesley_> isnt that cool, a system, with many fours
[16:12] <wesley_> I will just report it, Riddell your going to fossdem ?
[16:13] <Riddell> wesley_: yes should be
[16:13] <Riddell> seele: Washington looks busy
[16:13] <seele> Riddell: indeed it does :)
[16:13] <wesley_> Maby i going to Fossdem
[16:14] <ScottK> Looks quiet out my window and that's as close as I'm likely to get.
[16:14] <wesley_> The kde talks look intresseting, ive working kde 4.2 rc again
[16:14] <seele> Riddell: they said the mall can hold 2.1 million people and they closed entry to it 2 hours ago
[16:15] <wesley_> oh yeah the monkey president is going be killed
[16:15] <seele> wesley_: reh?
[16:15] <Riddell> ...
[16:15] <wesley_> You talking about the monkey from usa ? Rare specie
[16:16] <seele> uh.. wtf you talking about son?
[16:16] <wesley_> the new monkey kind of usa
[16:16] <wesley_> they have evolved to the next level
[16:16] <rgreening> yeah, that seems a tad rude/racist (unless I am misundersanding)
[16:17] <ScottK> wesley_: If you want to insult people, find another place to do it.
[16:17] <jjesse_> agreed i think you should leave if you want to talk like that
[16:17] <wesley_> talking about a monkey isnt racisme, as far as i know, but they told on the news they disovered a new kind off monkey in the usa
[16:18] <Riddell> wesley_: stop this now
[16:18] <wesley_> Really it was on the dutch news
[16:19] <wesley_> Oh i should be making a bug report
[16:19] <wesley_> The number one bug is funny
[16:22] <wesley_> I really don´t get why ubuntu will not just coperate with Windows, thats better for Linux
[16:23] <Riddell> wesley_: stay on topic
[16:23] <rgreening> try ubuntu-chat or something please wesley_
[16:24] <wesley_> whats the topic then ??
[16:25] <rgreening> wesley_: kubuntu development
[16:25] <cbr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/319222
[16:25] <cbr> this is le truth
[16:25] <cbr> it works with the beta1
[16:26] <wesley_> What does Kubuntu development, involved? kde ? kde errors ? bugs ?
[16:27] <rgreening> wesley_: if oyu have to ask, you are probably in the wrong channel. Try #kubuntu or #ubuntu-chat or #kde-cafe for your chats.
[16:27] <wesley_> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/107358/  heres something to devel
[16:28] <rgreening> wesley_: feel free to file a bug report via launchpad and it will get investigated
[16:28] <wesley_> that doesnt happing for kde related stuff, thats not important, kde will handle that
[16:30] <seele> kde relies on distros to send them bugs because not everyone realises kde is a separate thing than what they install as their os
[16:30] <wesley_> I realise that, and i realise that sometimes its distro related
[16:31] <seele> so submit a bug and we'll be sure to take care of it
[16:31] <wesley_> i have summited the ext4 bug
[16:31] <wesley_> theres not more to sumit
[16:36] <wesley_> good work on providing libmsn
[16:36] <Tonio_> apachelogger: right fixing the doc path fixes the build :)
[16:37] <Tonio_> ScottK: re-uploading kdebase-workspace, and then kdebluetooth, sorry for the delay...
[16:38] <rgreening> Tonio_: greetz
[16:38] <rgreening> Tonio_: tried the knetwrok plasmoid. no go with wep. picks up the networks but fails to connect
[16:44]  * ScottK pauses to consider if no WEP is a bug or a feature (since it's trivially crackable, it gives, IMO, a false sense of security).
[16:45] <rgreening> lol
[16:56] <wesley_> Wep is better then what my neghbor has ( nothing )
[16:57] <wesley_> Is kubuntu going use the kde4 network interface ?
[16:57] <seele> yes
[16:57] <wesley_> Cool, can we test it already ?
[16:58] <seele> if you are running development.  you probably dont want to run jaunty alpha-3 if you need your computer for work
[16:58] <wesley_> i am running jaunty
[16:59] <apachelogger> nono... you probably dont want to run jaunty alpha-3 if you have a non-intel card and need your computer for work
[16:59] <wesley_> ive intel
[16:59] <rgreening> I love my intel :)
[16:59] <wesley_> a intel atom 330
[16:59] <wesley_> I love both my computers
[16:59] <wesley_> an celeron and a atom
[17:00] <wesley_> I think wlan having is qiute handy, because cables break sometimes
[17:00] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:00] <apachelogger> eh?
[17:01] <wesley_> i have broken the cables, they just pop out sometimes, the locking part is broken
[17:01] <apachelogger> ah
[17:01] <apachelogger> makes more sense now :D
[17:01] <wesley_> so when i move with notebook, plop cable out it and discconented
[17:02] <apachelogger> wesley_: I am quite sure there are special plugs for the notebook usecase
[17:02] <smarter> strangest argument about using wifi I've ever heard
[17:02] <apachelogger> the default ones were never designed for that really
[17:02] <apachelogger> smarter: pretty lame one then :P
[17:02] <wesley_> its the cable, a lan cable locks normally, but not when you break the lock part
[17:03] <apachelogger> just think of it ... star trek teaches us: wifi is no good
[17:03] <apachelogger> no-one is using it
[17:03] <wesley_> wifi is faster here, then vable XD
[17:03] <rgreening> and networking is bad as either the Romulans or the Borg will infect and take over shipwide systems.
[17:04] <rgreening> we should all go back to using an abacus
[17:04] <rgreening> and slide rule
[17:04] <rgreening> :P
[17:04] <wesley_> I really see some hackers tryiong to break in to some networks in normall living
[17:04] <apachelogger> rgreening: borg will only access all your data
[17:04] <apachelogger> actually
[17:04] <apachelogger> so will romulans
[17:04] <apachelogger> romulans are like vampires
[17:04] <apachelogger> just that they appear to be attracted to information
[17:04] <wesley_> wesnoth
[17:05]  * rgreening is reading Star Trek Destiny trilogy. mmm.. Borg....
[17:05] <wesley_> I watch Demons
[17:05] <apachelogger> back in the days when I was borg
[17:05] <apachelogger> oh
[17:05] <apachelogger> hold on
[17:05] <apachelogger> I shouldn't tell you that
[17:05]  * apachelogger hides in the bunker
[17:06] <wesley_> Anyway i bought me wlan usb stick from peak, never heard off it but on box standed, osx,linux,windows, windows
[17:07] <wesley_> was 20 euro
[17:07] <wesley_> not much, it was a local ict shop, they don´t make that much profit on that stuff
[17:08] <apachelogger> that is what they want you to belive
[17:08] <apachelogger> production of such a stick is probably ~5 cents
[17:08] <wesley_> you going tell me they make that much profit on one selled usb stick?
[17:08] <apachelogger> maybe 2 € shipping
[17:09] <wesley_> They sell maby days nothing, and provides more service, ict stores arent running from selling hardware
[17:10] <wesley_> they run because Windows is bugged, and needs to be fixed
[17:11] <wesley_> I mean who pays 100 euro for ubuntu ?
[17:11] <apachelogger> I wouldn't their bug triagers always close my bugs as wontfix :P
[17:12] <wesley_> Lol, what do you report? I reported they should just copy ksnapshot
[17:12] <rgreening> bwahah
[17:13] <wesley_> How was that store called whats selling osx with its pc´s ?
[17:15] <wesley_> They ask 90 euro or $ if you want ubuntu on your pc
[17:19] <Tm_T> does any of you encounter issues with gpg-agent?
[17:31] <ScottK> Tm_T: Does your gpg.conf have use-agent in it?
[17:33] <Tm_T> ScottK: ...crap
[17:33] <Tm_T> ScottK: you know what? seahorse have overwritten it, to contain, well, nothing
[17:34] <ScottK> That'll do it.
[17:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: that is what you get for using seahorse!
[17:34] <Tm_T> I never had used it
[17:34] <apachelogger> yah yah
[17:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: that is what you get for using gnome software that starts seahorse in background
[17:34] <Tm_T> I wonder what it was
[17:35] <Tm_T> ScottK: so, what there should be then?
[17:35] <apachelogger> Tm_T: btw, did you see my awesome about-kubuntu dialog? :D
[17:35] <Tm_T> apachelogger: sorry, no, not yet
[17:35] <apachelogger> oh my wallpaper!
[17:35] <ScottK> The simplest way to make sure you get it right is make a new user, do something gpg'ish with that user (so the file gets generated) and then copy it over.
[17:35] <apachelogger> Tm_T: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/about-kubuntu-1.ogv
[17:35] <ScottK> Tm_T: ^^
[17:36] <ScottK> That or there's some magic you can do to regenerate from the .skel file, but I don't remember it.
[17:37] <apachelogger> no
[17:37] <apachelogger> I think you can just copy the plain example file
[17:37] <apachelogger> should be what you get anyway
[17:37] <ScottK> Is it?  Our .skel is not identicaly to upstream's.
[17:39] <apachelogger> /usr/share/gnupg/options.skel
[17:39] <apachelogger> Tm_T: ^
[17:41] <apachelogger> someone broke kate
[17:41] <apachelogger> possibly me
[17:41]  * apachelogger very weird b0rkage
[17:41] <apachelogger> *got
[17:41] <apachelogger> language engine as well
[17:41] <ScottK> Right.  That's the one that gets used when you use it for the first time, so copy it over ...
[17:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should give yourself a stern talking to.
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: a what? Oo
[17:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Remindyourself about not breaking stuff like Kate.
[17:43] <apachelogger> ah
[17:43] <apachelogger> was not even intentional
[17:43] <apachelogger> might have been a side effect of my kdelibs fiddling earlier
[17:44] <apachelogger> now kate can only copy and cut, but not paste
[17:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: any progress on ubuntuwire accounts for us?
[17:46]  * ScottK will ask again.
[17:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: thanks sir
[17:52] <Tm_T> also, how I create socket file?
[17:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are you running trunk kde?
[17:58] <Nightrose> nope
[17:59] <apachelogger> anyone running kde trunk in here?
[17:59] <apachelogger> kde rev 908359
[17:59] <apachelogger> hm
[17:59] <apachelogger> smells like backport anyway
[17:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you probably can find someone in #kde-devel
[18:01] <ScottK> Isn't that commit in 4.2?
[18:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: that was just after branching I think
[18:09] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:10] <apachelogger> 4.2 was string frozen at that time so I doubt it is in 4.2 ;-)
[18:10]  * ScottK starts to wonder how long his internets will last with no eletricity.
[18:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: huh?
[18:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: hum, that's bad...
[18:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'll have to perform tests with different networks on my side...
[18:12] <Tonio_> rgreening: one interesting test would be to kill plasma and restart it from a console, so that you can see the logs of the plasma applet....
[18:12] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'd like to get an output :)
[18:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: kpackagekit is installable from universe :)
[18:13] <jjesse_> yay
[18:14] <Tonio_> but as policykit-kde is a kded module, it has to be started manually, or kde restarted so that authentication works...
[18:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Power outage here.
[18:14] <ScottK> Batteries holding on for now ...
[18:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: awooga, does it work?
[18:16] <Sput> ScottK: inaugural stage drawing too much power?
[18:16] <Sput> bush pulling the plug before he left?
[18:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to restart kde to let you know :) let's go
[18:17] <ScottK> Could be.
[18:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, missing dependancy... kpackagekit doesn't depend on packagekit...
[18:22] <Riddell> fail
[18:22] <Tonio_> I thought depending on packagekit-backend-apt would suffice....
[18:22] <Tonio_> that's weird... packagekit deps are strange on that point
[18:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, won't work... worked last week...
[18:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like last policy-kde commit breaks things... I'll have a look soon on that point
[18:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: polkit-kde-authorization(5861) PkKPolkitClient::getAuth: Authentication error : org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.PolkitKdeManagerError.Code1 : Another client is already authenticating, please tryagain later.
[18:26] <seele> ScottK: can you record some of the concerns about kpackagekit on the meeting page so we remember to talk about them?
[18:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wonder if that's not dbus issue at some points...
[18:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try after a complete system reboot
[18:26] <ScottK> seele: When I have more electricity, sure.
[18:27] <seele> oh right, heh
[18:29] <rgreening> Tonio_: I'll see about a log later tonight. I have no wireless here to test from at the moment.
[18:29] <Tonio_> oki
[18:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I installed packagekit package, rebooted and it works
[18:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: still weird to me that packagekit-backend-apt doesn't suffice, but I'll fix the deps...
[18:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: FYI, restarting d-bus didn't help for soem reason
[18:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: we might want to add a postinst which calls /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required then
[18:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[18:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I can't manage to search for packages atm
[18:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: we may consider checking permissions set by default...
[18:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: seele had that problem previously...
[18:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: run update-apt-xapian-index ?
[18:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, looks like it keeps an "unknown state" when I manually refresh the packages...
[18:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: is packagekit using xapian ?
[18:41] <Riddell> packagekit-backend-apt should be
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope... won't change...
[18:43] <rgreening> Tonio_: I have the same issue. no packages. It did work at one point
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test with the gnome tools, maybe the problem is backend side...
[18:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: the policykit-kde things works like a charm, that's the good point
[18:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing I don't like with all those KCM + policykit + dbus backend -> it is EXTREMELY hard to figure out what happens when you have a problem
[18:48] <glatzor> Tonio_, only if available
[18:50] <glatzor> Tonio_, it only uses xapian if available
[18:50] <glatzor> Tonio_, did you have any issues with the apt backend?
[18:50] <Tonio_> glatzor: currently testing with the gnome tools
[18:50] <Tonio_> failed to get a TID: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.70" (uid=1000 pid=7093 comm="gpk-application ") interface="org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Transaction" member="SetLocale" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.PackageKit" (uid=0 pid=6520 comm="/usr/sbin/packagekitd ")) (0)
[18:50] <glatzor> Tonio_, i will role out new packages soon
[18:50] <Tonio_> doesn't work too, but is more talkative :)
[18:50] <Tonio_> glatzor: I suspect the issue is somehow backend side...
[18:51] <glatzor> Tonio_, could be a problem of the new dbus send destination policy
[18:51] <Tonio_> glatzor: also is that normal that packagekit-backend-apt doesn't depend on libpackagekit8 ?
[18:51] <Tonio_> glatzor: that's strange for me :)
[18:52] <glatzor> Tonio_, yes. otherwise we would get a circular dependency
[18:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: a conclusion for kpackagekit is that it should be a little more talkative whenever it comes to an issue :)
[18:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: okay so I'll fix my deps for kpackagekit then, thanks for the info
[18:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll wait for your next packages and give you feedback
[18:53] <glatzor> Tonio_, sorry. It doesn't depend on packagekit because of the circular dependency
[18:53] <glatzor> Tonio_, the python backend is pure python code so there is no need for libpackagekit
[18:53] <glatzor> Tonio_, have you looked at my kpackagekit package?
[18:54] <Tonio_> glatzor: nope, anything special, like patches I may know about ?
[18:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot014.png do we want that backported? ... there is a fairly good chance it will never get translated in rosetta
[18:56] <glatzor> Tonio_, no.
[18:57] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll have a look and will compare
[18:57] <Tonio_> glatzor: I've just fixed the deps, kpackagekit now depends on packagekit directly instead of the backend
[18:58] <glatzor> Tonio_, right. this is the correct way
[18:58] <Tonio_> glatzor: also I've added a little patch so that kpackagekit-smart-icon autostarts
[18:58] <Tonio_> glatzor: I don't know why it's not by default... any idea on that point ?
[18:59] <Tonio_> glatzor: oh, the code changed and the binary is now started by the backend.... let's remove that patch then...
[19:01] <Tonio_> I should have grep the code when 0.3 was released...
[19:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's new in 4.2?
[19:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you archive-admin today?
[19:09] <Tonio_> Riddell, glatzor: I can confirm that gpk-application fails to perform package update too, so the problem may not be the kpackagekit side...
[19:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: we'll have to wait a bit for tests...
[19:10] <smarter> Tonio_: you might want to have a look at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027220.html
[19:10] <Tonio_> smarter: yeah that's what glatzor was telling me about... that's probably the cause...
[19:12] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[19:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you'd do the backport on Bug 318345 as it fixes a security issue.
[19:13] <Tonio_> smarter: but it's not a permissions issue, even giving my user explicit permissions ends up d-bus errors...
[19:13] <ScottK> Speaking of which....
[19:14]  * ScottK wonders how vorian is doing on the security update I gave him the other day...
[19:14] <apachelogger> wohoo
[19:15] <apachelogger> neon ppa got signed pacakges now
[19:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Now figure out how to install your key locally so apt believes in it.  So far I'm full of fail.
[19:18] <Riddell> signed with a launchpad ppa key surely?
[19:18] <ScottK> Right, but so far I didn't manage to install they key.
[19:22] <Tonio_> ScottK just uploaded kdebluetooth.... package builds and it works with the patched kdebase-workspace...
[19:22] <apachelogger> pub   1024R/0F7992B0 2009-01-19
[19:22] <apachelogger> uid                  Launchpad PPA for Project Neon
[19:22] <ScottK> Tonio_: Thanks.
[19:22]  * apachelogger adds neon to sources.list
[19:22] <a|wen> ScottK: you need to click throug till you get the full public key; copy from "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----" to "-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----" both these lines should be included into a local file
[19:22] <Tonio_> ScottK fyi, you already have the package I uploaded, there's no change in it
[19:22] <a|wen> ScottK: then do apt-key add on the file
[19:23] <ScottK> apt-key seems confused here about where to put it.
[19:23] <ScottK> I'll try and sort it out later.
[19:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: and fyi, as you requested yesterday, I enabled the tabs for kopete by default :)
[19:23] <ScottK> Tonio_: Thanks.
[19:23] <a|wen> ScottK: that sounds a bit odd
[19:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: works just fine here
[19:24] <ScottK> gpg: no writable keyring found: eof
[19:24] <seele> hey guys.. on the 4.1.4 upgrade announcement all of the screenshots say dapper
[19:24] <ScottK> I'll fiddle with it laterr then.
[19:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:24] <seele> and the deb source listed in the help documentation says dapper
[19:24] <apachelogger> very weird
[19:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: gosh I never requested it, I've no idea what it even looks like
[19:25] <apachelogger> seele: the where the what the when?
[19:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[19:25] <seele> oh jeez.. it lists all previous releases.. heh sorry
[19:26] <seele> i scrolled to the end of the page to see what the final steps were and they are all dapper instructions
[19:26] <apachelogger> seele: ah, thx for mentioning it
[19:26]  * apachelogger wanted to tell claydoh about that
[19:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: you complained kopete shouldn't use several windows :)
[19:26] <Riddell> seele: URL?
[19:26] <apachelogger> I don't even see a reason why we would list $previous on the main wiki page
[19:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:27] <apachelogger> should all be moved to subpages
[19:27] <seele> 4.1.4 is third-party?
[19:27] <Riddell> second party :)
[19:27] <apachelogger> hehe
[19:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: <Riddell>  kopete is a mess of windows, it should learn to use tabs
[19:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: <Tonio_>   Riddell: kde3 kopete had tabs by default within kds
[19:28] <Tonio_> :)
[19:28]  * apachelogger doesn't think tabbing is a good idea for kopete
[19:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes I know but I havn't looked at the tabs at all
[19:28] <apachelogger> it disturbs the instantness
[19:28] <Riddell> I've no idea if it's better or not
[19:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: bah it was discussed a lot for kde3, and we got those...
[19:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_, Riddell: meeting item
[19:28] <Tonio_> apachelogger: our users are used to them
[19:28] <apachelogger> Tonio_: the enviornment changed
[19:29] <Tonio_> hum... true
[19:29] <Tonio_> on the other side, I don't see the difference with kopete and any other IM...
[19:29] <Tonio_> all those have tabs by default except msn afaik :)
[19:29] <apachelogger> google talk doesn't either
[19:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but I'm okay to renegociate this :)
[19:29] <apachelogger> thena gain google talk got nice plugging
[19:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: and people don't use it :)
[19:30] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, talking about google talk means talking about 4 official clients ;-)
[19:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: most people don't use google talk... I was refering to YM, AIM, and so on
[19:30] <apachelogger> well, just because everyone else does it, doesn't mean it makes sense
[19:30] <apachelogger> everyone else stuffs loads of crap on the desktop :P
[19:31]  * apachelogger fixed neon \\o/
[19:31] <Riddell> yay!
[19:31] <apachelogger> now with all new qt-copy patch love :D
[19:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: meeting?
[19:32] <Riddell> oh, read wrong
[19:32] <Tonio_> apachelogger: we'll discuss this item then :)
[19:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: you are going to package koffice for krushday?
[19:33] <rgreening> Tonio_: any chance on the network manager plasmoid beng in a PPA?
[19:33] <Tonio_> rgreening: it is in the archives :)
[19:33] <rgreening> u uploaded
[19:33] <Tonio_> rgreening: well it is in NEW at least
[19:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: waiting for Riddell to have a look :)
[19:34] <rgreening> Tonio_: ok. I was wondering if a newer snapshot might fix my wep issues
[19:34] <apachelogger> nothing new there :P
[19:34] <Tonio_> [ubuntu/jaunty] plasmoid-network-manager 0.0+svn913406-0ubuntu1 (New)
[19:34] <apachelogger> rgreening: sebas is busy eating
[19:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't you see it ?
[19:34]  * apachelogger still thinks campKDE is about eating
[19:36]  * apachelogger continues his never ending bad mood with waiting for mysql to finish testbuilding
[19:40] <vorian> ScottK: i went back to work sunday, and have been a little busy
[19:40] <ScottK> vorian: Understand.
[19:41] <vorian> i was planning on finishing it tonight
[19:46] <Tonio_> rgreening: according to the svn log, the only fixed are graphical layout fixes...
[19:46] <Tonio_> rgreening: unfortunatelly I can't svn up right now, as the svn rejects me :)
[19:47] <Tonio_> rgreening: as it worked with my wpa2/psk, I didn't check all the different things... I'll have a look at wep and standard wpa on friday
[19:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: is qt 4.5 in neon?
[19:50] <apachelogger> no
[19:53] <mrvanes> Riddel: kopete+msn is fixed now! ;)
[19:56] <Lure> Riddell: any suggestion how to address bug 319230 (with your archive admin hat)?
[20:00] <Sput> apachelogger: it's about swimming too
[20:02] <rgreening> Riddell: any benefit to building qt4-x11-4.5.0-beta1 in prep for 4.5.0?
[20:08] <apachelogger> Sput: and drinking I suppose
[20:08] <apachelogger> and blogging it seems
[20:08] <apachelogger> but that is about it :P
[20:27] <seele> has anyone else had weirdness with 4.1.4's konsole?
[20:29] <ScottK> What kind of weirdness?
[20:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: it appears to me datadir breaks stuff
[20:30] <apachelogger> list missing sez: -./usr/sql-bench/limits/msql.cfg
[20:30] <apachelogger> that should actually be in share/mysql/
[20:30] <apachelogger> at least it was in 5.0
[20:31] <seele> ScottK: the scrollbar is on the left side, the font is wrong, when i list, the text isn't lined up, i can't screen -r
[20:31] <apachelogger> and usr/sql-bench is certainly not very FHSy
[20:31] <seele> there is a weird space between the _ and my terminal cursor
[20:31] <ScottK> seele: No.
[20:31] <ScottK> WFM here.
[20:31] <ScottK> Except the screen bit I'd have noticed all those.
[20:32] <smarter> seems to work here too
[20:32] <smarter> but yakuake is better anyway :p
[20:32] <seele> argh.. this is a fresh install + upgrade!
[20:32] <smarter> hmm, didn't see the 4.1.4 bit, I'm on 4.2rc1, sorry
[20:33] <smarter> I'll try to reproduce what you see on my dad computer which should be on 4.1.4 tomorrow
[20:33] <ScottK> smarter: In -proposed?
[20:33] <ScottK> 4.1.3 is in -updates
[20:34] <smarter> 4.1.4 is in -proposed atm?
[20:49] <seele> what akonadi backend is used in 4.2 rc1?
[20:50] <apachelogger> seele: akonadi backend?
[20:50] <apachelogger> there is only mysql really :P
[20:53] <seele> hum.. this pim dev says there should be config files in .kde/share/config/akonadi_*
[20:53] <apachelogger> aye
[20:53] <apachelogger> seele: are there not?
[20:53] <seele> no
[20:53] <apachelogger> btw, I am in #kontact anyway
[20:54] <seele> oh, heh
[21:16] <seele> so uh.. downgrading is not recommended
[21:34] <Riddell> Lure: just don't ship that plugin, remove it from the .orig
[21:34] <Riddell> Lure: is that code in KDE SVN?
[21:35] <Lure> Riddell: yes, and Gilles says it is OK (will forward you the e-mail)
[21:35] <Riddell> mm, that's really not in line with KDE's licence policy
[21:37] <Lure> Riddell: he has talke with Aaron and Achim
[21:38] <Lure> Riddell: see my e-mail
[21:38] <Lure> Riddell: do you know which part of license is not in line with free license requirements. The only one I can see would be Termination
[21:38] <smarter> !file cycle.h
[21:39] <Lure> but even that one is pretty vague (only for breach of license, which should not be an issue I suppose)
[21:40] <Riddell> "You may not modify the Documentation." that's not a great start
[21:43] <Riddell> "This Agreement is governed by the statutes and laws of the State of California" that's not very free
[21:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Probably OK for Ubuntu since we accept GFDL with invariant sections as OK.
[21:47] <Riddell> ScottK: where do we accept invariant sections?
[21:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Dunno.  IIRC I've been told the one place we deviate from Debian on licensing policy is we take stuff with GFDL invariant sections In Main/Universe and they condem them to non-free.
[21:48] <ScottK> It could be I'm totally wrong about that.
[21:48]  * ScottK notes this stuff could be better documented.
[21:49] <Riddell> we differ in other places, notably CC licences
[21:50] <ScottK> OK.
[21:50] <Riddell> yes, it should be documented, maybe I'll get that started at the distro team sprint
[21:50]  * ScottK would appreciate it.  It's all folklore currently.
[21:51] <Riddell> Lure: so, not sure about the strict location requirement, so long as there's no documentation included it's OK but now I'm grumpy that he didn't check with kde-licencing
[21:53] <Lure> Riddell: should we discuss this with kde-licensing? I can talk with gilles, even though he is sure it was taken care of...
[21:54] <Riddell> Lure: no I'll just check that the location clause is OK (it may well not be) and if it is I'll put a copy of the licence into SVN with a grumpy commit message
[21:55] <Lure> Riddell: ok, RC tar's will be prepared tommorow morning, so it will be included
[21:55] <Lure> Riddell: I will then take care of the packages and followup with whatever ubuntu's decision would be (keep it or break to two packages)
[21:58] <Riddell> Lure: ok, it's fine
[21:59] <Lure> Riddell: interesting is also this: http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/license.html
[21:59] <Lure> Riddell: this is supposed to be only about DNG specification, but there are patents involved
[22:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I hate to be a pest (but not so much I won't do it), but I'd really appreciate getting Bug #318345 done due to a security issue it fixes.
[22:00] <Lure> Riddell: not sure if this should be also included
[22:01] <Riddell> ScottK: I can't imagine you ever being a pest :)
[22:01] <Lure> Riddell: end of licence claims: "For licensing information on the DNG File Format Specification, which is not included in the DNG SDK, please visit: http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/license.html."
[22:02] <Lure> Riddell: so I suppose this does not apply to DNG SDK
[22:02] <Riddell> Lure: indeed not that's just the docs which we don't have
[22:02] <Lure> Riddell: but only to other implementations under DNG spec
[22:03] <Lure> Riddell: can you also add comment to the Ubuntu bug?
[22:04] <Riddell> Lure: yeah
[22:04] <Lure> Riddell: thanks!
[22:25] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Thans.
[22:25] <ScottK> Thanks even
[22:29]  * ScottK jogs seele's elbow so maybe she remembers to get the big splash screen stuff for quassel done.
[22:32]  * jussi01 huggles seele so she remembers the work on quassel is really appreciated
[22:32]  * Sput gives seele a large cookie jar so she has something to munch on
[22:45]  * apachelogger buys seele an executive jet, so she can get the huggles and cookies for real .... and can go to akademy :P