[00:05] apachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173932 [00:05] KDE bug 173932 in general "crashes immediatly when fully loaded" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [00:05] and it's fixed for KDE 4.1.4. Bonus! [00:07] hey, anyone know where the "clean" font comes from in KDE 4? I cannot find out where it gets installed from [00:11] * JontheEchidna doesn't see it [00:12] interesting...it is coming in from somewhere and I cannot find the damn thing on my machine [00:18] how do you schedule meetings on the fridge? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [01:01] seele: tell nixternal to add them [01:06] Riddell: ok [01:06] nixternal: ^^ add the kubuntu meeting to fridge :P [01:06] so quiet tonight.. you'd think it was the weekend [01:06] I would like to package ksshaskpass, but it is in debian exprimental [01:07] sync isnt possible anymore [01:07] neversfelde: why not? [01:07] can I do an ubuntu package? [01:07] neversfelde: well why isn't a sync possible? [01:08] Riddell: I thought there is a freeze? [01:08] no, you can still request syncs [01:08] file a bug asking and subscribe ubuntu-archive [01:08] ah, so I shoul request a sync in launchpad [01:09] yes [01:10] ok, thanks for info, will do it [01:12] neversfelde: do you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed? [01:12] yes [01:12] in a jaunty chroot [01:13] seele: adding it now [01:13] seele: date and time UTC please [01:16] jan 28 22UTC [01:16] nixternal: thanks [01:18] bah, can't do it on a weekend huh [01:19] neversfelde: sorry :/ [01:19] got pulled away [01:20] neversfelde: use 'requestsync ksshaskpass 0.5.1-1 -n' [01:20] vorian: mhh [01:20] will try it [01:20] it automates the sync request for you [01:22] You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox. [01:22] You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox. [01:22] You should be able to create a valid file by logging into Launchpad with Firefox. [01:22] sorry [01:22] do you have your bashrc edited with your identification? [01:23] launchpad iidentification? [01:24] the sync request will send an email to launchpad with your information [01:24] in you bashrc, you can add a couple of lines like: [01:25] there is DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL [01:25] right [01:26] right for launchpad? [01:27] are you logged into launchpad right now? [01:28] yes [01:29] hey, someone decided at the fridge to use fucking google cal so i followed their dumb ass rules and it has it set for the fuckin' 29th [01:29] ARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:29] neversfelde: i don't know then [01:29] sorry [01:29] you'll have to file it the old fasion way [01:29] :) [01:30] so I had to create a damn google calendar now...insane [01:30] nixternal: blame boredandblogging [01:30] i think :P [01:30] no, I will not blame it all on him [01:30] I HATE GOOGLE!!! [01:30] BUT I LOVE THEIR BURRITOS [01:30] ha [01:30] vorian: no problem, I will look into that issue tomorrow [01:30] okie [01:31] btw why is there no kubuntu.org twitter and identi.ca user? [01:31] the feed should be posted there [01:32] ryanakca: ^ [01:32] :P [01:32] i dunno [01:32] I could register it [01:33] and twitterfeed will post it there [01:33] alrighty seele: the meeting is up [01:34] from now on damnit, any of you can add a meeting [01:36] ryanakca: ping^ [01:37] nixternal: cool [01:46] kubuntu-de.org is on twitter [01:46] http://twitter.com/kubuntudeorg [01:46] kubuntu.org should do the same [01:49] ah of course [01:49] http://identi.ca/kubuntudeorg [01:50] identi.ca, yay =) [01:50] * astromme is on http://identi.ca/astromme [01:52] astromme: use choqoK :) [01:52] neversfelde: I use KDE::Twitter plasmoid which supports identi.ca finally [01:52] choqoK supports it too [01:53] great app [01:53] neversfelde: Yeah, I'm sure it does =). It's a great app, I agree, but I'd prefer to have a simple plasmoid. I don't need more. [01:53] :) [01:59] neversfelde: *shrug*... perhaps because I don't use either... but if you want to sign us up, feel free :) [01:59] I'll do [02:01] I don't like having a twitter plasmoid [02:07] ryanakca: where is kubunut.org rss feed? [02:09] neversfelde: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/feed [02:09] ryanakca: got it [02:09] :) [02:09] :) [02:11] * ryanakca scratches his head and wonders why klash only installs /usr/share/doc/klash/{changelog.Debian.gz,changelog.gz,copyright} [02:13] http://identi.ca/kubuntuorg [02:13] so follow us on identi.ca [02:14] LaserJock: Why not? [02:15] neversfelde: Why not identi.ca/kubuntu? [02:15] neversfelde: it's free [02:16] astromme: because when I'm showing my boss something I don't need the latest twitter junk on my desktop :-) [02:16] astromme: youre right [02:16] if I can put it away and then bring it up it'd be nice [02:16] and changed [02:16] http://identi.ca/kubuntu [02:16] but it's just in your face [02:21] twiiter is down [02:22] astromme: changed back to kubuntuorg, cauce kubuntu is already used in twitter [02:24] neversfelde: Oh... ok. You don't just want to do identi.ca? [02:24] astromme: we should use twitter, its closed source but popular [02:25] identi.ca of course too [02:25] neversfelde: meh, sure it's popular.... but if people always use both nobody has an incentive to move to identi.ca [02:25] astromme: mhh [02:26] it is a generald discussion [02:27] true, true [02:32] I asked a twitter admin [03:03] * ScottK doesn't consider identi.ca particulalry free, you can't actually modify their software unless you want to be a software distributor. [03:05] * ScottK gets some headache medicine in preparation for diving into kdebluetooth. [03:32] Too much headache, so no bluetooth tonight. [03:39] JontheEchidna: any ideas on bug #316256? [03:39] Launchpad bug 316256 in kdeedu "parley crashes after multi-choice quiz" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316256 [04:22] apachelogger: ping [04:32] hrmm, how come opera hasn't switched to qt4 yet? opera is by far the best web browser out there I think...it is so fast! [04:37] * ScottK considers nixternal's addiction to proprietary software confirmed. [04:37] firefox sucks, konqueror sucks...what is left? [04:37] links2 ;) [04:38] And Internet Explorer/Safari/Chrome [04:38] FF3 I like the best since FF1. [04:43] gopher is da bomb [04:43] :P [04:48] nhandler: Since Safari also uses khtml, it's suckage aligns pretty well with Konquerors. [06:03] Honestly I'm happy with Konqueror... [06:03] There are a couple of sites that don't work perfectly [06:03] But most things work well [06:04] And interestingly the things that seem not to work perfectly (gmail, digg) I use desktop apps for (KMail, Akregator) [06:24] ScottK: still up? [07:05] hrm, anyone else having the logout button in lancelot or the shutdown plasmoid just log them straight out and not ask to shut down , restart or logout? [09:48] ScottK, what was that plasmoid you wanted met o looka t? [09:48] apachelogger, ping [09:57] g'evening everyone [09:58] * a|wen has finally got over the whole christmas / moving to another country part and found some decent internet ... so apologizes for being MIA lately [09:59] which country did you move to a|wen? [09:59] Riddell: thailand [09:59] (or at least temporarily for the next half year) [10:01] gosh, not worried about coups? [10:03] only a little, they have a history for many coups, but not violent ones ... but was a little worried when they closed the airport [10:07] * a|wen was thinking about upgrading our version of kdesvn; new upstream bugfix release avaible ... any interest? [10:09] Riddell: ^^ [10:13] a|wen: go for it [10:14] Riddell: Did you recompile and package kopete yesterday? [10:15] dunno, let's see what launchpad says [10:16] 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu3 seems to be compiled [10:16] Well.. there was an update and it now has wlm again... only, I can't login? [10:16] with wlm that is... [10:16] I guess it's compiled agains libmsn now (yay!) but it doesn't seem to do much? [10:17] have you tested it? [10:17] or should I file bug? [10:18] works for me [10:18] Hmmm... :( [10:18] what happens when you try and log in? [10:18] Connecting...... [10:19] (that's what happens) [10:19] And then no connection [10:19] I'm quite sure the username/pwd are correct cause I can login in ms live site [10:19] amd64 btw [10:23] hmm, I can't test amd64 [10:23] anyone else able to test MSN/WLM in kopete jaunty on amd64? [10:26] I'll try to launch kopete from console to see if I get a bit more info [10:27] Not much of value === fabo_ is now known as fabo [10:30] When I quit I get a notice: Cannot connect with the instant messaging server or peers and a button "more..." that doesn't do anything :( [10:42] I think we just need to wait until someone else can test it on amd64 [11:01] ok [11:15] ScottK uploading kdebluetooth in a moment [11:15] ScottK did you look at the package ? [11:15] Riddell: what about plasmoid-network-manager ? should I upload and ask people to test ? [11:15] Riddell: it'll not conflict with the current one, so... I'd go for an upload even if it won't work for some people [11:23] Tonio_: go for it [11:25] Kubuntu/Meetings lists Sat, Jan 28. Is it the 28th or Saturday? [11:25] Riddell: oki :) [11:26] allee: it's Wednesday 28th, see topic [11:26] allee: please edit [11:26] Riddell: ok [11:27] Riddell: kpackagekit ftbfs, while working in a local pbuilder.... checking what the problem is [11:27] Riddell: problem at configure.... strange... [11:28] Tonio_: they failed to compile yesterday because libpackagekit-qt2 didn't contain any files [11:29] Riddell: mv libpackagekit-qt0.install libpackagekit-qt2.install [11:29] Riddell: you can kick me... [11:29] I'm too tired actually to think about everything when working... [11:30] retrying kpackagekit now [11:31] Riddell: does it need reupload or can you restart the build ? [11:32] I've restarted it [11:32] Riddell: great... [11:33] can't wait to be finished with the appartment :) I've been sleeping by 3 am to wake up at 6h30 for 10 days at least... [11:34] Riddell: plasmoid-network-manager should be in NEW [11:38] hmm.. kopete got rebuilt with libmsn support, right [11:38] the bastard wont connect for me though [11:38] Riddell: when you want to test kpackagekit, take care at setting the permissions with policykit-kde in the first place [11:38] Riddell: there is no desktop file for the binary doing this, but you should see it in systemsettings, or use polkit-kde-authorization binary [11:40] cbr: ru on amd64 perhaps? [11:41] i386 [11:41] good, so it's not isolated to amd64 ;) [11:42] Riddell says works for him, it doesn't for me but I'm on amd64 [11:42] i say it to connect.. and that's it [11:42] nothing happens at all [11:42] exactly... same here [11:42] * smarter has working msn support with Kopete for quiet some times now [11:42] on 64bits [11:43] so what are we doing wrong? [11:47] okay, tried removing kopeterc but all that did was that i lost my conf [11:51] hum I can't connect to kde svn right now... connection refused [11:51] also i have my contact list full of (disconnected) empty contacts [11:51] those used to be msn contacts previously [11:51] what should i do with 'em [11:55] Riddell: you're gonna kill me..... [11:55] Riddell: there is a problem with kpackagekit in the deps... it should depend on policykit-kde | policykit-gnome, and not kpackagekit-kde | kpackagekit-gnome... [11:55] Riddell: fixing and reuploading... [11:58] Tonio_: =) [12:00] Tm_T: not concentrated enough ^^ [12:01] kpackagekit-gnome is nice dependency =) [12:02] haha :) [12:02] Tm_T: I'm doing lots of little errors like these atm.... I'm lacking sleep, I think... [12:02] Tonio_: I know the feeling [12:03] Tonio_: anonsvn is down [12:03] Tonio_: wifes mother was babysitting last night so we could sleep at once [12:03] Nightrose: indeed it is [12:03] Nightrose: I know, well I discovered it :) hope it'll not be too long :) [12:03] Nightrose: Tonio_: anonsvn is down and host master is notified, we are waiting the fix [12:03] Tm_T: oki ;) [12:04] hehe yea - but the one responsible for it is having a good time in jamaica :P [12:04] so don't expect it to get fixed too soon [12:04] Nightrose: :) [12:04] Nightrose: exactly [12:17] Riddell: I can't seem to connect to MSN with your kopete upload.... can be msn issue, I'll let you know [12:18] wibble [12:18] Tonio_: run kbuildsycoca4 ? [12:18] lemme test [12:19] hum does seem to fix... [12:19] doesn't... [12:21] Riddell: amsn connects me... [12:22] Riddell: is your upload identical to the package I tested yesterday ? [12:22] Tonio_: should be yes [12:23] Tonio_: glad we don't share libraries with amsn (;) [12:23] Riddell: hum, even removing the account doesn't help.... [12:23] Riddell: what about you, does it work ? [12:24] I think so [12:24] hum... weird... [12:25] I so want this ... http://www2.smarttech.com/NR/rdonlyres/2131D4ED-4B73-4AFD-8C0F-E1B5D40619C2/0/SpecSheetSB660i3v7.pdf [12:27] Tonio_: you presumably have /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_wlm.so ? [12:28] I do [12:28] Tonio_: ok, so, how it doesn't work? [12:28] hum kdebase-workspace ftbfs on lpia.... worked in a pbuilder, sounds bad [12:28] Tm_T: it stays on "connecting" status forever [12:29] Tonio_: ah, and you use wlm plugin and not old msn plugin? [12:29] wlm [12:29] interesting [12:29] Tonio_: can you get some debug output from it? [12:29] Tonio_: install kdenetwork-dbg and run then kopete from konsole [12:29] putting a bad password ends up with an error message, so the server is reached [12:29] Tm_T: yup [12:30] Tonio_: let's see what you get [12:35] Tm_T: that won't output anything interesting :) nothing more in fact [12:35] what's the last bit? [12:35] aka to what it halts? [12:36] Tm_T: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/107303/ [12:36] I get nothing else in the output [12:36] and nothing outputs when I set it to connect [12:36] brrrrh [12:37] weirdoh [12:37] and kdenetwork-dbg is installed [12:37] Tm_T: do I miss something ? [12:37] Tonio_: I have no idea... [12:37] Tonio_: are youre kdenetwork and kdenetwork-dbg in same version? [12:37] yes [12:38] roger [12:38] so that doesn't explain it [12:38] Tm_T: well I don't have kdenetwork package installed, since that's a metapackage [12:39] but my kopete and kdenetwork-dbg are the same version [12:39] Tonio_: yeah but you got the point I believe (:) [12:39] Nightrose: can you slap ade? [12:39] i can try [12:39] sec [12:39] thanks === quassel248 is now known as bdgraue [12:41] ok he is not up yet but Orville will tell him when he sees him [12:41] Nightrose: thanks a million, hugs for you all there [12:42] * Nightrose is not there! :( [12:42] *sob* [12:42] sitting in cold and wet germany [12:42] i just have a few of the guys on my jabber list ;-) [12:42] Nightrose: well you are there as much as I am [12:42] hehe [12:43] Nightrose: and come here if you feel wet and cold [12:43] Tonio_: what about installing libmsn0.1-dbg ? [12:43] Nightrose: I'm waiting -40 °C weathers here [12:43] a|wen: ah, good point, son [12:43] hehe [12:43] thx Tm_T :) [12:44] Nightrose: I hate these 0..-5 weathers and barely snow at all, boooring [12:44] 1 meter snow it should be <3 [12:44] :P [12:45] sun and 30°C it should be [12:45] and water [12:45] lots of it [12:45] Nightrose: that's how it is here :) [12:45] like in... [12:45] Jamaica! [12:45] a|wen: heeh where are you? [12:45] Nightrose: bangkok, thailand [12:46] awwww [12:46] * Nightrose demands a teleporter [12:46] * a|wen will talk to the physics department about getting that :P [12:47] haha [12:47] thx [12:49] hehe, np ... maybe they could beam a better internet connection through it too [12:50] better? what's wrong with current one? [12:50] a|wen: testing this :) [12:51] Tm_T: a bit "shaky" at times ... and 15 times slower than what i am used to [12:51] a|wen: no debug messages... [12:51] a|wen: heh, I have reasonable connection here [12:51] Tonio_: that kinda sucks [12:51] a|wen: I don't know how to get the output in fact [12:51] Tonio_: try http method if it's available? [12:51] Tm_T: well I can strace, ;) [12:52] Tm_T: there's no option for that... [12:52] Tm_T: I'm also missing kopete tabs, to be honnest [12:52] Tonio_: errr, what? [12:52] Tonio_: yeah ... that's the problem about having it not crash but just don't work [12:53] a|wen: am I crazy or did thy remove that ? [12:53] Tonio_: remove what? [12:53] the tabs.... [12:53] Tonio_: they are disabled by default now ... you can enable them in the options [12:53] oh right, some people might have defaults (: [12:53] a|wen: where ? I'll fix kds to enable that by default... but I can't find the option graphically [12:54] behaviour > chat > grouping [12:54] a|wen: isn't that grouping the consecutive messages ? [12:55] Tonio_: it is grouping by window [12:55] aka tabs :) [12:55] ah cool [12:56] a|wen: I'll enable the tabs by default then :) [12:56] Tonio_: thanks <3 [12:57] Tonio_: :) [12:57] the setting should be in "chat window", that's bad [12:57] Tonio_: would make more sense to me also [12:58] indeed [12:59] +[Behavior] [12:59] +chatWindowGroupPolicy=GroupByAccount [12:59] got it, let's fix kubuntu-default-settings :) [13:00] would be +1 from me :) [13:07] a|wen: kubuntu-default-settings building :) === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-lunch [13:07] :) [13:17] NCommander: kdebase-workspace ftbfs... I built it successfully yesterday... [13:18] NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21472200/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.1.96-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [13:18] NCommander: the build issue has nothing to do with my changes (just a patch on sources for solid...) [13:18] NCommander: any idea what's can go wrong ? anything to do with your changes ? [13:18] the wird thing is that it built yesterday for me in pbuilder [13:19] wtf [13:19] It did for me too [13:19] NCommander: don't know... [13:19] the ubuntu4 ? [13:19] *lost* [13:19] Something going wrong [13:19] yeah that's weird..... I have the debs in my pbuilder/result.... I don't see the point since the issue is with debian/rules at some points... [13:23] NCommander: retesting the build locally.... [13:24] * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna [13:24] apachelogger: pong [13:24] Tonio_, I'm somewhat busy today, so if you could look into it, I'd greatly apperiate it [13:25] NCommander: sure will do [13:25] dh_install -pkdebase-workspace-data --sourcedir=debian/tmp [13:25] cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/autostart/common': No such file or directory [13:25] doesn't make sense to me.... [13:25] JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/about-kubuntu-1.ogv [13:25] Riddell: any change in kdelibs or patch we may know that changes the docs at some points ? [13:26] Tonio_: list [13:26] apachelogger: I'll take a look after I add some info to a KDE bug [13:26] * apachelogger changed the global documentation path [13:26] JontheEchidna: now!!! [13:26] apachelogger: AH !!!!!!!!!! [13:26] apachelogger: what would be the correct path then ? [13:26] kde/HTML [13:27] oki.... we may have lots of changes to do in kde packages then :) [13:27] apachelogger: did you fix the bzr debian folder according to this ? [13:27] for all packages I mean [13:27] nope [13:27] scheduled for 4.2.0 [13:27] which will arrive for packaging soonish [13:28] colplay! [13:28] coldplay! [13:28] rather [13:28] :D [13:28] apachelogger: I'll do it for kdebase-workspace if you don't mind, ScottK needs my kdebluetooth, which needs kdebase-workspace to be built... [13:28] * apachelogger actually thinks that embedding a video instead of the logo makes much more sense [13:28] with a video you can communicate emotion and stuff [13:29] the logo is just that, a logo [13:29] apachelogger: don't mind me doing the changes ? [13:29] Tonio_: fine with me ... less work for whoever udates workspace ;-) [13:29] yup [13:30] vorian: what do you think about my about kubuntu dialog? [13:30] maybe we should just talk about my screencasts folder at our talk ... loads of weird stuff in there :D === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:32] JontheEchidna: btw, suggestions about application launcher branding? [13:33] * apachelogger is not sure how to get the kubuntu logo there [13:33] aparently fedora does it, maybe we could spy on them [13:34] why would we want to change it? isn't that part of us being a "kde" distro is we keep some of the branding? [13:34] well, the technical part is easy enough [13:34] just change it to use start-here-kde-kubuntu and ship -kubuntu along kds [13:34] apachelogger: commited the changes to bzr... testing the build locally and waiting [13:35] k [13:35] JontheEchidna: the what artwork would we be using part is more difficult [13:35] ScottK kdebase-workspace discarded a bit due to some changes I wasn't aware of ;) you may get the kdebluetooth commited toonight :) [13:35] our plain logo clashes with the blue plasma panel theme [13:35] I added a darkish shadow, but that doesn't improve it at alot [13:36] and from my point of view the approach vorian pasted some time ago ... combining the KDE logo with ours ... is bad due to branding clashes and confused users [13:37] yeah, you have a point [13:37] we could use air as default theme though ;-) [13:37] that is what I used in the screencast [13:37] IMHO the logo looks decent with that coloring [13:37]