[00:03] <dean`> My computer will not suspend
[00:03] <dean`> I am running Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope
[00:03] <dean`> kernel 2.6.28-4
[00:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[01:10] <Cts|359> Anybody else notice that most of the way through gnome's startup, the color depth seems to be jumping from 24 to 18?
[01:27] <pwnguin> DanaG: do you know much about acpi?
[01:36] <DanaG> er, I do know some, from having messed with it.
[01:36] <DanaG> Sorry, was away walking the dogs.
[01:55] <DanaG> random: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[02:06] <pwnguin> DanaG: im just saying, that bug is kinda model specific
[02:07] <DanaG> YEah.
[02:07] <DanaG> The brightness bug, however, is not:
[02:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922
[02:08] <hggdh> huh, DanaG, I have no problems with brightness
[02:08] <DanaG> What brand laptop?
[02:08] <hggdh> Dell 1721
[02:08] <DanaG> Ah.  Dell has their own way of doing brightness control.
[02:08] <DanaG> The standard ACPI way is what's broken.
[02:08] <hggdh> heh
[02:09] <DanaG> Toshiba, Lenovo, Panasonic, Asus, and perhaps a few others do, too.
[02:09] <hggdh> I still can control it through standard <FN> Up/Down
[02:09] <DanaG> ... but Toshiba itself is also broken in a different way.
[02:09] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[02:11] <hggdh> might it be a bios issue?
[02:11] <DanaG> Nope.
[02:11] <DanaG> Wait, which one?
[02:11]  * hggdh  long time ago, had to tweak ACPI code on a Gateway
[02:11] <hggdh> BIOS code, me means
[02:12] <DanaG> I wish the kernel would include 'zero' as a valid brightness control level.
[02:12] <DanaG> Otherwise, the levels you see in Vista and the levels you see in Ubuntu (gnome-power-manager) do not match.
[02:13] <hggdh> ah, sorry, the bloody beast called 1721 did come with Vista, but I formatted the drive as soon as I verified a Vista boot was going on
[02:13] <hggdh> (so I knew it was working)
[02:14] <hggdh> but I never compared brightness levels between Vista and Linux
[02:17] <DanaG> For example, Vista will offer 13, 25, 37, 50, 63, 75, 87, and 100.
[02:18] <DanaG> Ubuntu will call them 0, 14, 29, 43, 57, 71, 88, and 100.
[02:18] <DanaG> Hideous.
[02:19] <DanaG> I also love how they REMOVED the slider that sets "dim by" -- and "dim by" is already confusing-enough logic.
[02:19] <DanaG> Should be "dim TO"
[02:20] <hggdh> I remember -- dimly, and I ask pardon for the unintended pun -- a bug about dim to and dim by
[02:20] <hggdh> it should be somewhere in LP
[02:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the best thing to do about a lame pun is to entirely ignore it.
[02:21] <DanaG> =þ
[02:21] <hggdh> heh
[02:21] <DanaG> One time I showed a friend a video of a hidden dock animation in OS X, called "Suck".
[02:21] <DanaG> He said, "It's lame."
[02:21] <DanaG> I said, "Yeah, it rather -- oh, never mind, lame pun."
[02:21] <hggdh> what, BSD is lame?
[02:22] <hggdh> ah
[02:22] <DanaG> the "oh nevermind, lame pun" was funnier than the pun would have been.
[02:22] <hggdh> sorry, two scotchs already in
[02:22] <hggdh> dammit, canno even write
[02:22] <hggdh> darn!
[02:23] <hggdh> but I think the LP bug still should be there; of course, this would be an upstream issue, anyways
[02:23] <Cts|359> Am i the only one that notices that gnome seems to want to screw with the color depth about 70% though loading up? I'm using the nVidia driver, and i've tried to force default depth in xorg.conf, to no avail
[02:24] <hggdh> Cts|359, again II sort of remember something about that. Please search in LP
[02:25] <hggdh> otherwise, the best route is to open a bug on it
[02:26] <Cts|359> i've been through LP and the forums, i found one mention of the NV driver doing it, but the fix didn't help. I was really just swinging by to see if anybody knew for a fact if it was in LP, before i filed it
[02:26] <DanaG> HEre's the "suck":  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-pBGMbW3jEo
[02:27] <toresbe> Cts|359: colour depths are not changeable runtime
[02:29] <Cts|359> that's what i thought... and only makes me more confused. 'cause i can clearly see the gradients going screwy DURING gnome loading up
[02:33] <toresbe> Cts|359: Sounds a lot like a graphics driver bug to me
[02:35] <Cts|359> beginning to think the same. though, you think you'd hear more if the new 180.22 was behaving poorly
[03:00] <hggdh> heh gotta show the suck thingy to my S.O. (a mac user)
[03:03] <DanaG> Looks like somebody "slurping" up the window.
[03:12] <pwnguin> ok that was wierd
[03:13] <pwnguin> the theme engine just crashed
[03:14] <pwnguin> all i did was rotate the screen
[03:15] <toresbe> OT: Are there any doxygen-literate people here? I'm faced with a problem and I don't know where to ask it.
[03:15] <nhandler> Is modifying /etc/apt/sources.list the only way to upgrade to jaunty right now (other than a fresh install)?
[03:16] <x1250> nhandler, update-manager -d
[03:16] <nhandler> xxploit: It doesn't detect jaunty
[03:17] <xxploit> ?
[03:18] <xxploit> nhandler: you can do update-manager -d i believe
[03:18] <x1250> nhandler, it should work that way. What version are you in?
[03:21] <nhandler> x1250: I have intrepid installed
[03:22] <x1250> did you change your sources.list to jaunty and then tried update-manager -d ? I guess it wouldn't work that way.
[03:23] <hggdh> nhandler, I had a similar problem when I moved to Jaunty: upgrade-manager -d did not "take" for about four tries.
[03:25] <x1250> nhandler, in any case, you could upgrade using an aptitude full-upgrade, if you know how to troubleshoot. Right now update-manager disables some video drivers that don't work on jaunty, and some other little things like "always overwrite" options for dpkg, etc. But thats about it
[03:26] <nhandler> x1250: Yeah, I upgraded to jaunty before by updating sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade. I was hoping update-manager would support jaunty by now
[03:26] <x1250> nhandler, you should really use aptitude and not apt-get for that.
[03:26] <x1250> well, if update-manager doesn't work, that is
[03:27] <hggdh> it should work now. I upgraded very early in the cycle
[03:27] <x1250> me too
[03:27] <nhandler> hggdh: I upgraded originally pre-alpha ;)
[03:27] <hggdh> yeah, that's what I did also
[03:27] <x1250> yep, I used full-upgrade to get into jaunty.
[03:28] <x1250> the thing is that update-manager does some automatic stuff, that would prevent some errors. For example, if nvidia drivers are not supported, then goto opensource. Things like that. Usefull stuff.
[03:29]  * hggdh thinks nhandler should be aware of that ;-)
[03:29] <hggdh> but this is interesting. the u-m -d does not still pave the way?
[03:30] <hggdh> toresbe, probably a good place to ask is #ubuntu-motu
[03:30] <x1250> I remember I tried it on my desktop few weeks a go, and it worked, but I didn't upgrade. I have my desktop with intrepid.
[03:30] <toresbe> hggdh: cheers
[03:31] <hggdh> cheers
[03:34] <x1250> today I installed kubuntu-desktop. Then used aptitude purge and was amazed to see only kubuntu-desktop was uninstalled. apt-get autoremove didn't work either. I had to remove kubuntu purging som libs. Ugly bug.
[04:02] <x1250> have any of you had any luck with the "Connect to server" feature, using ssh keys? nautilus keeps asking me for a password. The server has "PasswordAuthentication no", and I can connect with no problems using ssh. Any clues?
[04:30] <DanaG> Heh, I just love how scrolling UP on the volume control makes the volume go UP if on the icon, but DOWN if on the scrollbar.  How stupid.
[04:31] <DanaG> I'd call the new volume control a miserable failure.
[04:34] <toresbe> when I click on it, it extends past the end of the screen
[04:35] <toresbe> http://gunkies.org/stuff/volume-failure.png
[04:39] <DanaG> And where's my per-app which-device-do-i-play-on control?
[04:39] <DanaG> And where's my thing to select internal mic, external mic, or stereo mix?
[04:39] <raof> Coming, I presume.
[04:42] <DanaG> And the "simultaneous out" thing would be good too.
[04:42] <DanaG> I envision this sort of UI:
[04:42] <DanaG> App name         X   X    X
[04:42] <DanaG> where the Xes are checkboxes for "play on this device", for each device.
[04:42] <DanaG> And then have one for "prefer this device"
[04:45] <raof> Maybe.  I'm not sure that pulse has the infrastructure for exactly that feature yet, and it's actually kinda hard.
[04:46] <DanaG> Oh, and an option for "use this device with X channels" would be cool, too.
[04:49] <DanaG> I think Gnome is trying to emulate the OS X audio preferences.... and failing miserably.
[04:50] <DanaG> I wish I knew why this happens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[04:50] <DanaG> =þ
[04:50] <raof> I'd hope it'd exceed them; it shouldn't be too hard.
[04:50] <DanaG> Niice, long stacktrace.
[04:50] <DanaG> =þ
[04:50] <DanaG> I'm considering making a PulseAudio virtual sound card driver for Windows as my senior project; I'd just have to find out how to do driver programming.
[04:55] <dtchen> there's an older Windows port; you shouldn't need to do any driver programming at all.
[04:55] <dtchen> just look at how other apps like foobar2000 plug into directsound
[04:56] <DanaG> Other way around!
[04:56] <DanaG> I want a virtual sound card.
[04:57] <raof> So you can have network-transparent audio on windows, too.
[04:57] <DanaG> And local device-switching.
[04:57] <dtchen> Windows already has that. Again, see what fb2k does.
[04:58] <DanaG> Is it a sound card that all apps can use?
[04:58] <dtchen> yes
[04:58] <DanaG> I thought it was just a media plater app.
[04:58] <DanaG> player.
[04:58] <dtchen> nope
[04:58] <dtchen> MS is way ahead of Linux/BSD in this regard.
[04:59] <raof> dtchen: Hm.  It's been some time since I used foobar; what exactly does it do?
[05:00] <dtchen> raof: it's a media player, arguably the most featureful
[05:00] <raof> I know it's a media player.
[05:00] <raof> I used it.
[05:00] <raof> (Some time ago)
[05:00] <dtchen> meaning what does it offer?
[05:00] <raof> When I used it, there was no part of it that was like pulseaudio in any way.  What does it do *now* that it didn't do then? :)
[05:01] <dtchen> no, it doesn't do what PA does. It just plugs into Window's DS and kernel mixing via separate configurations
[05:01] <dtchen> Windows's*
[05:01] <DanaG> And by device switching, I mean, I should be able to yank my USB sound card and have all apps using it drop back to onboard.
[05:03] <raof> dtchen: That doesn't sound at all like what we're talking about :)
[05:04] <dtchen> ok, from what i understood, DanaG was referring to a virtual sound card that interfaces with PA to handle on-the-fly stream switching
[05:05] <raof> A virtual sound card that pipes audio to pulseaudio, yes.
[05:06] <raof> Does foobar2k provide such a thing?  That sounds rather outside its core-competency ;)
[05:06] <dtchen> right, and DS already provides an interface to write into and read from, so you simply need to hook PA into DS to handle sink functionality (to use PA's terminology).
[05:07] <dtchen> raof: no, the fb2k reference was for examining how fb2k handles the DS sink
[05:08] <raof> Aaah, right.
[05:09] <raof> Yes, I know it's possible (although I think the statement "MS is way ahead of Linux/BSD in this regard" might need some citation ;))
[05:10] <dtchen> fair enough =)
[05:10] <Tekno> http://blog.uncool.in/2009/01/19/computer-science-fail-higher-education-in-india/
[05:11] <raof> Because it's (obviously) been possible to do exactly that with ALSA for some time, too.
[05:13] <dtchen> some form of stream mixing, certainly. however, DS offers rather uniform and sensible volume and mixer abstractions
[05:13] <dtchen> the very volume mismatch that you mentioned in -devel hasn't been an issue in Windows for some time
[05:14] <dtchen> i'm not a Windows fan by any stretch of the imagination, but some things just are more sensible in other OSes currently.
[05:15] <raof> Yeah.
[05:15] <raof> ALSA is apparently not the easiest of audio APIs around.
[05:16] <bluesmoke> ALSA is "omg my eyes are bleeding" hard to use
[05:16] <DanaG> Heh, look at the win7 mixer applet... on single-click, it shows volumes for all output devices.
[05:39] <x1250> has anyone noticed that sometimes aptitude fails to remove automatic dependencies? I remember there was a bug about one of those packages in LP, but today I discovered that kubuntu-desktop is another one. Tried purging it, and none of the dependencies were removed.
[05:46] <x1250> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/305504
[06:08] <DanaG> Sweet, in ALSA 1.0.19
[06:08] <DanaG>  - ALSA: hda - Add a new function to seek for a codec ID
[06:08] <DanaG> for the Gateway laptop.
[06:58] <DanaG> what the heck?  Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Element <syslog> not allowed inside <busconfig> in configuration file
[07:03] <genii> Seems to be something about it here http://www.nabble.com/Possible-MBF-due-to-DBus-security-issue-td21268050.html
[07:04] <DanaG> eh, restarting hal and then ddbus seemed to work.
[07:20] <DanaG> Interesting:
[07:21] <DanaG> [ 5252.773847] input: HDA Intel at 0xda300000 irq 22 Line In at Ext Rear Jack as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input15
[07:21] <DanaG> [ 5252.784129] input: HDA Intel at 0xda300000 irq 22 Mic at Ext Front Jack as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input16
[07:21] <DanaG> My sound card is now... an input device.?
[07:22] <raof> Cool.  Jack sensing?
[07:23] <DanaG> Yeah, but catting the input device doesn't give anything on jack plug on that laptop.
[07:24] <DanaG> Line In at Ext Rear doesn't exist, except on docking station.
[07:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I did stop Xorg first.
[07:33] <peterz> how would one revert to the 'default' packages after removing a ppa repo?
[07:33] <DanaG> grr... stupid thing doesn't keep my shares, for some reason.
[07:42]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[07:53] <x1250> howto install a package with a broken dependency? I'm having problems installing mysql-server (dpkg woes), so I have mysql-server-5.1 instead, which is broken when installing wordpress (it conflicts with mysql-server-5.0).
[07:55] <x1250> arch, I meant mysql-client
[07:55] <fosco__> sudo dpkg -i --force-all package.deb
[07:55] <fosco__> do it on your own :)
[07:56] <x1250> fosco__, yeah, but I don't want to download all the stuff, I was hoping it aptitude or apt-get could do the trick
[07:57] <DanaG> aptitude can do it.
[07:57] <DanaG> just run aptitude with no parameters.
[07:57] <DanaG> then go hit
[07:57] <DanaG> hit 'enter' on a package name to get list of versions.
[07:59] <x1250> uhm, ok I'll see what aptitude can do
[08:00] <DanaG> It has a nifty ncurses UI.
[08:00] <lucent> indeed
[08:00] <lucent> it's been years since I used a curses UI tool front end for apt
[08:01] <x1250> do you guys have any trouble installing mysql-server ?
[08:01] <DanaG> I use aptitude more than anything else, myself.
[08:03] <lucent> x1250: when I didn't know how mysql server worked, yeah
[08:04] <lucent> x1250: are you using a mirror for apt packages?
[08:04] <x1250> lucent, what do you mean?
[08:04] <lucent> some mirrors do not update very quickly
[08:04] <DanaG> I have oodles of repos enabled.
[08:04] <lucent> this results in broken deps
[08:04] <DanaG> archive for official and mirrors.kernel.org for speed; each for jaunty AND intrepid.
[08:05] <DanaG> And PPAs for each.
[08:05] <DanaG> So, I can follow upgrades of the Intrepid X server, so I don't break fglrx.
[08:08] <x1250> I don't use external repos. I'll try changing mirrors.
[08:11] <x1250> aah, it was the mirror :/
[08:27] <nastas> is jaunty supports sd cards in buildin card reader?
[08:27] <lucent> nastas: yes, I think
[08:28] <lucent> my Dell 1420n laptop computer has an SD card reader attached to the PCI Express bus, and it is working
[08:28] <nastas> lucent: weird i upgrade my laptop and still don't work
[08:29] <lucent> nastas: which computer model?
[08:29] <nastas> HP pavilion
[08:29] <SiDi> Hello
[08:29] <nastas> lucent: HP pavilion
[08:30] <SiDi> I'd like to know if people who installed jaunty on their laptops (especially if vostro) had trouble when booting on it ? my motherboard just goes mad and bips till i shut the laptop down
[08:30] <lucent> nastas: I don't know.   Does it work with a supported OS like Windows?
[08:30] <nastas> lucent: yes it is
[08:30] <lucent> SiDi: I think you may have more basic problems
[08:31] <lucent> so, nastas, we need to know what your device is
[08:31] <lucent> does it attach by USB?
[08:31] <SiDi> lucent: hardy works perfectly, but jaunty has a weird message appearing on boot, followed by this terrible noise :O
[08:31] <lucent> SiDi: you know that doesn't sound like the truth to me
[08:32] <SiDi> intrepid works perfectly *
[08:32] <nastas> lucent: nope. is a built-in card reader.
[08:32] <lucent> nastas: okay so it uses magic and pixie dust to talk to your motherboard?
[08:32] <SiDi> well it's serious :O i never heard such a noise from a motherboard (except when i forgot to plug my GPU on my desktop pc :P)
[08:32] <lucent> oh yeah
[08:32] <lucent> some noise like that
[08:32] <lucent> SiDi: what hardware specs?
[08:32] <SiDi> yeh, those bips
[08:33] <SiDi> it's a vostro 1510, i don't really know what's the motherboard
[08:33] <SiDi> tho it boots perfectly on intrepid
[08:33] <lucent> you always repeat today, it works "perfectly" on some other thing
[08:33] <lucent> what do you want me to do?
[08:33] <SiDi> nothing :D
[08:34] <SiDi> i just passed to see if other people had the same problem, incase it was something common
[08:34] <lucent> oh, sorry, I don't own a vostro
[08:34] <nastas> lucent: what do you mean?
[08:35] <lucent> SiDi: can you help nastas please?
[08:35] <lucent> it's irritating me
[08:35] <SiDi> i can try but i'm leaving in 10 mins
[08:35] <SiDi> what's happening, nastas ?
[08:36] <nastas> just drop it
[08:38] <SiDi> ok i'm leaving then, have a nice day peeps
[08:47] <fnf2> Does anyone have a problem of NetworkManager randomly drop connections (it was as if the radio frequency's kill switch had been turned on and off sporadically) in Jaunty?.
[08:47] <fnf2> I saw a thread in the forum with the same problem but no answer.
[08:48] <fnf2> I'm thinking about not compiling rfkill module in my kernel, but it worked fine in Ubuntu 8.10 .
[10:20] <blizzkid> lo all. /dev/dm-0 automounts on /media/disk. How can I change that behaviour to make it mount on /crypt?
[10:21] <Alastair_> anyone here?
[15:00] <BUGabundo> is anyone looking at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/315941 and all its dupes??
[15:43] <dholbach> Ubuntu Developer Week - Day 2 just about to start in 17m in #ubuntu-classroom :)
[15:56] <linuxman410> jaunty is running better on my system than 8.10 does
[16:00] <linuxman410> all programs i had trouble running on 8.10 run fine in 9.04
[16:09] <spitfire_> linuxman410: I sense there is a "but" hanging somewhere:P
[16:10] <linuxman410> no but here i like jaunty alot no problems at all with it
[16:10] <linuxman410> just hanging out
[16:28] <linuxman410> where can i find a list of services i can safely turn off to increase boot time
[16:29] <linuxman410> i shaved 20 seconds off boot time by disabling  bluetooth and enabling auto login
[18:03] <maxb> I have an unused old laptop that is currently running intrepid. I thought I might put jaunty on it since it's currently just being a paperweight. Is there any reason to prefer a clean install, or shall I just upgrade?
[18:05] <linuxman410> how big is harddrive maxb
[18:05] <maxb> 80GBish. plenty
[18:05] <linuxman410> run both then i am i am dual booting 8.10 and 9.04
[18:06] <hggdh> maxb, an upgrade would be an interesting test
[18:06] <maxb> can't be bothered to repartition it. :-) And I really do mean it when I say it's not doing anything useful. If it totally implodes, it's no loss
[18:07]  * maxb raises an eyebrow at the upgrader wanting to install -dbg packages
[18:08] <linuxman410> upgrade go for it
[18:09]  * maxb sets it downloading stuff
[18:31] <nippz> http://www.linux-watch.com/files/misc/ubuntu-billboard.jpg lolol
[18:54] <Kuaera> Latest mysql server update breaks things badly.
[19:00] <x1250> Kuaera, hehe, fixed things for me :), try reinstalling all mysql related packages if trouble don't go away.
[19:01] <DrHalan> hey, are there any news on nvidia drivers for xserver 1.6?
[19:01] <Kuaera> x1250: Which mysql package do you have installed?
[19:03] <x1250> Kuaera, http://paste.ubuntu.com/107420/
[19:04] <x1250> DrHalan, they work for some using "IgnoreABI" option.
[19:05] <DrHalan> oh nice
[19:06] <fosco___> it works fine for me
[19:07] <Kuaera> x1250: The mysql-server-5.1 package had been installed on my system during one update
[19:08] <x1250> Kuaera, mysql-server depends on 5.0 (apt-cache depends mysql-server)
[19:08] <x1250> 5.1 didn't work for me, I had to purge it
[19:08] <x1250> does it work for you?
[19:09] <Kuaera> It did for a time
[19:09] <x1250> it did for me too.
[19:09] <Kuaera> Apparently, something changed, though.
[19:09] <x1250> then it woed
[19:11] <x1250> Kuaera, I had to uninstall every mysql package, even mysql-client*, but it finally worked. A lot of packages were removed though, but reinstall them was not a big deal,
[19:12] <x1250> reinstalling*
[19:13] <Kuaera> I see
[19:14] <Kuaera> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107423/ Familiar, or?
[19:14] <x1250> Kuaera, sure. I thought I wouldn't see that again :)
[19:15] <Kuaera> So I have to uninstall all mysql packages in order to make mysql-server install?
[19:15] <x1250> purge them, yes
[19:15] <x1250> try the same command from my pastebin, but instead of search, purge.
[19:15] <Kuaera> Will that nuke any data stored in the mysql database?
[19:16] <x1250> Kuaera, it should ask if you want to remove your databases, if it doesn't that would be a bug.
[19:16] <Kuaera> x1250: Understood
[19:21] <Kuaera> x1250: ...that'll uninstall most of my system
[19:21] <x1250> could you pastebin that?
[19:22] <Kuaera> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107426/
[19:22] <x1250> what about if you just try to install mysql-server ? doesn't work?
[19:22] <Kuaera> Going to attempt now, again
[19:22] <Kuaera> Nope. Same error as above
[19:23] <x1250> Kuaera, let me see what I did exactly, I'll check the log
[19:23] <Kuaera> Alright, thank you
[19:36] <x1250> Kuaera, I think the necessary packages are mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1 libmysqlclient16
[19:36] <x1250> but i know I also uninstalled mysql-common libmysqlclient15off, although I don't really know if these packages were really necessary
[19:37] <x1250> Maybe it was just part of the install/uninstall tests I did.
[19:38] <x1250> Kuaera, a lot of kde packages were unistalled though. I just installed them again afterwards.
[19:38] <Kuaera> Okay.
[19:40] <Kuaera> Nope, can't install mysql-server-5.1 due to password issues
[19:40] <x1250> Kuaera, what do you mean?
[19:41] <Kuaera> A dialog came up, saying it could not set the mysql root password
[19:41] <x1250> I think that happens because it is already set.
[19:41] <Kuaera> Hm. Any way around that?
[19:41] <x1250> I don't know.
[19:42] <Kuaera> ...hm.
[19:43] <x1250> try googling that, I'm almost positive it is because is already set. It tries to set it and fails.
[19:44] <Kuaera> Will do, though I'm afraid I don't have the time at the moment
[19:45] <x1250> Kuaera, if you run two times: mysqladmin -u root password yourrootsqlpassword
[19:45] <x1250> it will fail the second time
[19:46] <jpedroza> I am having some issues with the nvidia drivers and xorg in Jaunty(Development Branch). I can't get X to start even after addin -ignoreABI to startx
[19:46] <Kuaera> I see
[19:46] <apokalyp1> jpedroza: startx -- -ignoreABI
[19:46] <apokalyp1> will pass it properly
[19:47] <hggdh> charlie-tca, ping
[19:47] <apokalyp1> or you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a serverflag for ignoreABI
[19:47] <charlie-tca> hggdh: pong
[19:47] <jpedroza> apokalyp1: I have added that and it still won't start
[19:47] <hggdh> I just filed bug 319342 on xchat
[19:47] <apokalyp1> try "startx -- -ignoreABI'
[19:48] <charlie-tca> thanks. I'm loading gdb, since xchat and claws-mail are doing it today
[19:48] <hggdh> heh. I am slightly confused by the BT, since it missed two of the most important backtrace lines :-(
[19:49] <hggdh> and why the hell is it doing pulseaudio, I yet do not know
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I don't understand most of it, but am confirming the bug and will attach a stacktrace later.
[19:50] <jpedroza> apokalyp1: It tried to start, but then failed with an error of: couldn't take over org.x.config:
[19:50] <apokalyp1> was the error you getting before stating that you had to use ignoreABI?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> hggdh: done
[19:52] <jpedroza> apokalyp1: No, different error
[19:52] <jpedroza> apokalyp1: What do I add to xorg.conf to ignoreABI?
[19:52] <spitfire_> Hi. I'm having problem with software-properties.
[19:53] <spitfire_> I can't check ubntu repos:/
[19:53] <spitfire_> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121402/software-properties.png
[19:53] <spitfire_> In software-properties-gtk dialog.
[19:54] <x1250> spitfire_, same here.
[19:54] <spitfire_> x1250: any way to fix this?
[19:55] <spitfire_> opening dialog fucks up lists.
[19:55] <spitfire_> Not sure if opening synaptic does..
[19:55] <x1250> spitfire_, don't know, I just realized it was that way :(
[19:55] <spitfire_> x1250: still got that problem?
[19:56] <spitfire_> I haven't found a bug describing that:/
[19:57] <spitfire_> x1250: do you also have this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121402/software-properties2.png ?
[19:57] <spitfire_> It displays ubu repos in third-party.
[19:57] <x1250> spitfire_, yes, exactly the same.
[19:58] <spitfire_> x1250: I'll file a bug, you can confirm :P
[20:00] <x1250> spitfire_, sure. I had a python-apt upgrade today. Its an indirect dependency, so it maybe related. apt-rdepends software-properties-gtk shows it.
[20:00] <spitfire_> x1250: youre right
[20:00] <spitfire_> it was from debian
[20:00] <spitfire_> with ~exp suffix.
[20:01] <spitfire_> anyway I'll file bug, and suggest it;0
[20:01] <spitfire_> or you can;)
[20:01] <x1250> naah, you discovered it :)
[20:01] <x1250> I confirm.
[20:02] <x1250> Kuaera, how did it go?
[20:03] <Kuaera> x1250: I've not yet had a change to try :/
[20:03] <Kuaera> s/ng/nc/
[20:05] <spitfire_> x1250: have you tried to downgrade python-apt?
[20:05] <x1250> spitfire_, nope
[20:05] <spitfire_> try it;)
[20:06] <spitfire_> And write comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/319350
[20:06] <x1250> ok, I'll do
[20:08] <spitfire_> x1250: here's similar problem : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/244093
[20:08] <spitfire_> caused by python-apt
[20:12] <spitfire_> x1250: it isn't possible to downgrade.
[20:12] <spitfire_> All packages are in main
[20:13] <spitfire_> no poackages can be found in updates security or backports.
[20:13] <spitfire_> and apt repos can't hold different versions
[20:14] <x1250> spitfire_, I'll test intrepid's
[20:15] <spitfire_> x1250: no need
[20:15] <spitfire_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-apt/
[20:15] <spitfire_> x1250: ^^
[20:15] <x1250> aahh ok
[20:15] <spitfire_> and get previous:P
[20:15] <magentar> is the online defrag tool part of ext4 right now?
[20:15] <spitfire_> works ;)
[20:15] <spitfire_> (for me )
[20:17] <x1250> yep, for me too
[20:18] <spitfire_> x1250: I've "blocked version" in synaptic.
[20:18] <spitfire_> Does it mean it'll omit this one?
[20:18] <spitfire_> Or disable upgrades of this package?
[20:20] <maxb> Hmm. I just intrepid->jaunty and it was rather anticlimatic, except that it left the intrepid gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad installed
[20:20] <maxb> plugins-bad conflicts with some apparently obsolete fluendo packages
[20:20] <maxb> perhaps it needs to replace them as well?
[20:20] <spitfire_> x1250: now I'll get working on that gnome-sharp2 transition stuff ;)
[20:20] <spitfire_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/314516
[20:24] <x1250> spitfire_, something related: try installing gnome-subtitles
[20:24] <spitfire_> x1250: does it depend on gnome-sharp2.0?
[20:24] <spitfire_> x1250: file a bug, I'll onfirm if I can ;)
[20:25] <x1250> gnome-sharp2 is dependency, yep
[20:29] <spitfire_> x1250: and gnome-sharp2.24 should be;)
[20:30] <spitfire_> x1250: do you know how to attach bug to this meta-bug?
[20:30] <spitfire_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/314516
[20:30] <spitfire_> Yours should go there as well
[20:47] <Kuaera> x1250: Thank you for your help. I'll let you know how my proceedings go.
[20:49] <SwedeMike> I have a Thinkpad X200. When I set 9.04 to shut off the screen after inactivity, the laptop is unresponsive after the screen has shut down (there is hd activity, but caps lock doesn't work and can't wake it). If I disable screen turn off in powersaving settings, I don't have the problem. Towards what package should I report this? The intel X server?
[21:01] <x1250> spitfire_, I'll finish some stuff and get into it.
[21:02] <spitfire_> ok
[21:39] <DrHalan> does jaunty feature a new theme?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Not at this time. I'm sure it will later
[21:44] <DrHalan> charlie-tca: what about dust? I use it on intrepid and it looks just awesome compared to darkroom
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Huh??
[21:44] <DrHalan> i think there were a lot of mockups and attempts to create a nice theme but imo it is already there..
[21:45] <charlie-tca> All I do is test it
[21:45] <charlie-tca> The last installs I did on jaunty, the theme was the same as intrepid
[21:45] <DrHalan> alright
[22:03] <pHzero> hey, if i just had an application crash on jaunty, but have no idea why it happened, is there any use reporting it in launchpad or would it just be a waste of developers' time? i wouldnt be able to provide steps to repeat or anything, since it happened seemingly randomly
[22:06] <raof> pHzero: If you've got the apport crash report, it can be useful.  All crashes are bugs, and you can sometimes glean useful information from the crash report.
[22:08] <pHzero> raof, got it. cheers
[22:34] <HDAPS> Hi, just wondering if there is anyway to confirm that Disk Head Parking is enabled? "hdaps-gl" shows only a static image (kernel 2.6.28 on 9.04)
[22:38] <HDAPS> hdaps-pivot gives an x,y of 0,0 as well, unsurpringly
[22:51] <pwnguin> theres a man on a mission...
[23:05] <iddo> anyone knows about a jaunty fix for intel 82945G graphics chip? it behaves slower in alpha3 than in hardy 8.04 i had
[23:09] <spitfire_> iddo: And it will
[23:09] <spitfire_> It's upstream
[23:09] <spitfire_> Nothing ubuntu can fix:/
[23:09] <iddo> what do you mean?
[23:10] <spitfire_> Intel graphics driver is doing transition to GEM.
[23:10] <spitfire_> Ant it doesn't work well yet
[23:10] <iddo> what is GEM ?
[23:10] <spitfire_> iddo: gooogle
[23:11] <spitfire_> And the "old" driver that works is in hardy.
[23:11] <spitfire_> If you need fast 3d, you'd better stick with it.
[23:11] <iddo> i already installed jaunty... i like it a lot... except the 3d :(
[23:12] <iddo> is there a way to use the old driver for now?
[23:13] <iddo> i cannot go back.. they fixed some stuff that annoyed me in hardy.. like the seahorse keyring pam not revealing passwords anymore it seems...
[23:14] <iddo> i get the password for empathy and ssh unlocked on login, and seahorse doesnt reveal it
[23:14] <iddo> passwords
[23:15] <iddo> when the final/good intel driver is due? in the final jaunty release?
[23:16] <iddo> glxinfo says direct rendering: Yes
[23:17] <iddo> but it's slow:(
[23:28] <x1250> iddo, try  glxinfo | grep -i "opengl vendor"
[23:29] <iddo> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
[23:30] <iddo> what does it tell you?
[23:30] <x1250> thats fine. What is your xorg.conf?
[23:30] <iddo> i installed jaunty alpha3 15mins ago.. didnt touch xorg.conf
[23:31] <iddo> lemme look whats in it
[23:31] <iddo> it's pretty empty
[23:31] <iddo> Identifier"Configured Video Device"
[23:31] <x1250> try: paste.ubuntu.com
[23:32] <iddo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107521/
[23:34] <iddo> for example if i zoom in with compiz i get pixelized image instead of smooth image
[23:34] <iddo> and there's tearing with 3d animations etc.
[23:34] <x1250> iddo, if 2D is slow maybe you could try Option "AccelMethod" "EXA", in Section Device, just under "Configured Video Device" (in Section Device, not Screen). If it doesn't work, then remove it editing xorg.conf with nano, or running: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg.
[23:35] <iddo> i think 2d is okay..
[23:35] <iddo> but i can try it....
[23:36] <x1250> iddo, if 3D is working, then its working.
[23:36] <x1250> try the 2D stuff.
[23:36] <iddo> but 3d worked a lot better in hardy
[23:38] <iddo> i forgot how much glxgears i got in hardy, now i get 371 fps (pentium4 3ghz cpu)
[23:39] <iddo> i'll try your AccelMethod EXA suggestion and i'll come back..
[23:42] <iddo> i don't notice any difference with EXA in xorg.conf
[23:43] <iddo> any other ideas?
[23:44] <x1250> Uhm, maybe take a look at LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but they are probably fine.
[23:46] <iddo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107524/
[23:46] <iddo> i pasted /var/log/Xorg.0.log there
[23:47] <iddo> any ideas?
[23:50] <iddo> and glxinfo here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107527/
[23:51] <x1250> there are a couple some erros in xorg.conf, but no idea what they mean/do: lines 273, 274, 275, and some other warnings like 310, 311, 312. I guess they're driver problems, but I really don't know.
[23:52] <x1250> glxinfo looks ok to me.
[23:53] <iddo> so are there any ideas i could try? or just wait and hope for januty to be updated?
[23:54] <x1250> I guess you'll have to wait, but maybe someone else can help you more than I can.
[23:56] <iddo> i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:56] <iddo> and chose the kernel buffer thing
[23:56] <iddo> it gave Option"UseFBDev"		"true"
[23:56] <iddo> in xorg.conf
[23:57] <iddo> i'll log out and try it....
[23:59] <DanaG> fbdev is bad.
[23:59] <DanaG> =þ