[00:03] My computer will not suspend [00:03] I am running Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope [00:03] kernel 2.6.28-4 [00:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 [00:07] Launchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] [01:10] Anybody else notice that most of the way through gnome's startup, the color depth seems to be jumping from 24 to 18? [01:27] DanaG: do you know much about acpi? [01:36] er, I do know some, from having messed with it. [01:36] Sorry, was away walking the dogs. [01:55] random: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 [01:55] Launchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] [02:06] DanaG: im just saying, that bug is kinda model specific [02:07] YEah. [02:07] The brightness bug, however, is not: [02:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/315922 [02:07] Launchpad bug 315922 in linux "2.6.27-11 makes brightness not work [2.6.28-4.10 also affected]" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:08] huh, DanaG, I have no problems with brightness [02:08] What brand laptop? [02:08] Dell 1721 [02:08] Ah. Dell has their own way of doing brightness control. [02:08] The standard ACPI way is what's broken. [02:08] heh [02:09] Toshiba, Lenovo, Panasonic, Asus, and perhaps a few others do, too. [02:09] I still can control it through standard Up/Down [02:09] ... but Toshiba itself is also broken in a different way. [02:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318 [02:09] Launchpad bug 261318 in linux "Regression: new Toshiba Laptop Support (tlsup) driver breaks Toshiba hotkeys; input device does not support 'kbd' input handler" [High,In progress] [02:11] might it be a bios issue? [02:11] Nope. [02:11] Wait, which one? [02:11] * hggdh long time ago, had to tweak ACPI code on a Gateway [02:11] BIOS code, me means [02:12] I wish the kernel would include 'zero' as a valid brightness control level. [02:12] Otherwise, the levels you see in Vista and the levels you see in Ubuntu (gnome-power-manager) do not match. [02:13] ah, sorry, the bloody beast called 1721 did come with Vista, but I formatted the drive as soon as I verified a Vista boot was going on [02:13] (so I knew it was working) [02:14] but I never compared brightness levels between Vista and Linux [02:17] For example, Vista will offer 13, 25, 37, 50, 63, 75, 87, and 100. [02:18] Ubuntu will call them 0, 14, 29, 43, 57, 71, 88, and 100. [02:18] Hideous. [02:19] I also love how they REMOVED the slider that sets "dim by" -- and "dim by" is already confusing-enough logic. [02:19] Should be "dim TO" [02:20] I remember -- dimly, and I ask pardon for the unintended pun -- a bug about dim to and dim by [02:20] it should be somewhere in LP [02:21] Oh yeah, the best thing to do about a lame pun is to entirely ignore it. [02:21] =þ [02:21] heh [02:21] One time I showed a friend a video of a hidden dock animation in OS X, called "Suck". [02:21] He said, "It's lame." [02:21] I said, "Yeah, it rather -- oh, never mind, lame pun." [02:21] what, BSD is lame? [02:22] ah [02:22] the "oh nevermind, lame pun" was funnier than the pun would have been. [02:22] sorry, two scotchs already in [02:22] dammit, canno even write [02:22] darn! [02:23] but I think the LP bug still should be there; of course, this would be an upstream issue, anyways [02:23] Am i the only one that notices that gnome seems to want to screw with the color depth about 70% though loading up? I'm using the nVidia driver, and i've tried to force default depth in xorg.conf, to no avail [02:24] Cts|359, again II sort of remember something about that. Please search in LP [02:25] otherwise, the best route is to open a bug on it [02:26] i've been through LP and the forums, i found one mention of the NV driver doing it, but the fix didn't help. I was really just swinging by to see if anybody knew for a fact if it was in LP, before i filed it [02:26] HEre's the "suck": http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-pBGMbW3jEo [02:27] Cts|359: colour depths are not changeable runtime [02:29] that's what i thought... and only makes me more confused. 'cause i can clearly see the gradients going screwy DURING gnome loading up [02:33] Cts|359: Sounds a lot like a graphics driver bug to me [02:35] beginning to think the same. though, you think you'd hear more if the new 180.22 was behaving poorly [03:00] heh gotta show the suck thingy to my S.O. (a mac user) [03:03] Looks like somebody "slurping" up the window. [03:12] ok that was wierd [03:13] the theme engine just crashed === DrUnKnMuNkY1 is now known as DrUnKnMuNkY [03:14] all i did was rotate the screen [03:15] OT: Are there any doxygen-literate people here? I'm faced with a problem and I don't know where to ask it. [03:15] Is modifying /etc/apt/sources.list the only way to upgrade to jaunty right now (other than a fresh install)? [03:16] nhandler, update-manager -d [03:16] xxploit: It doesn't detect jaunty [03:17] ? [03:18] nhandler: you can do update-manager -d i believe [03:18] nhandler, it should work that way. What version are you in? [03:21] x1250: I have intrepid installed [03:22] did you change your sources.list to jaunty and then tried update-manager -d ? I guess it wouldn't work that way. [03:23] nhandler, I had a similar problem when I moved to Jaunty: upgrade-manager -d did not "take" for about four tries. [03:25] nhandler, in any case, you could upgrade using an aptitude full-upgrade, if you know how to troubleshoot. Right now update-manager disables some video drivers that don't work on jaunty, and some other little things like "always overwrite" options for dpkg, etc. But thats about it [03:26] x1250: Yeah, I upgraded to jaunty before by updating sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade. I was hoping update-manager would support jaunty by now [03:26] nhandler, you should really use aptitude and not apt-get for that. [03:26] well, if update-manager doesn't work, that is [03:27] it should work now. I upgraded very early in the cycle [03:27] me too [03:27] hggdh: I upgraded originally pre-alpha ;) [03:27] yeah, that's what I did also [03:27] yep, I used full-upgrade to get into jaunty. [03:28] the thing is that update-manager does some automatic stuff, that would prevent some errors. For example, if nvidia drivers are not supported, then goto opensource. Things like that. Usefull stuff. [03:29] * hggdh thinks nhandler should be aware of that ;-) [03:29] but this is interesting. the u-m -d does not still pave the way? [03:30] toresbe, probably a good place to ask is #ubuntu-motu [03:30] I remember I tried it on my desktop few weeks a go, and it worked, but I didn't upgrade. I have my desktop with intrepid. [03:30] hggdh: cheers [03:31] cheers [03:34] today I installed kubuntu-desktop. Then used aptitude purge and was amazed to see only kubuntu-desktop was uninstalled. apt-get autoremove didn't work either. I had to remove kubuntu purging som libs. Ugly bug. [04:02] have any of you had any luck with the "Connect to server" feature, using ssh keys? nautilus keeps asking me for a password. The server has "PasswordAuthentication no", and I can connect with no problems using ssh. Any clues? [04:30] Heh, I just love how scrolling UP on the volume control makes the volume go UP if on the icon, but DOWN if on the scrollbar. How stupid. [04:31] I'd call the new volume control a miserable failure. [04:34] when I click on it, it extends past the end of the screen [04:35] http://gunkies.org/stuff/volume-failure.png [04:39] And where's my per-app which-device-do-i-play-on control? [04:39] And where's my thing to select internal mic, external mic, or stereo mix? [04:39] Coming, I presume. [04:42] And the "simultaneous out" thing would be good too. [04:42] I envision this sort of UI: [04:42] App name X X X [04:42] where the Xes are checkboxes for "play on this device", for each device. [04:42] And then have one for "prefer this device" [04:45] Maybe. I'm not sure that pulse has the infrastructure for exactly that feature yet, and it's actually kinda hard. [04:46] Oh, and an option for "use this device with X channels" would be cool, too. [04:49] I think Gnome is trying to emulate the OS X audio preferences.... and failing miserably. [04:50] I wish I knew why this happens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600 [04:50] Launchpad bug 314600 in fglrx-installer "fglrx versions newer than 8.543 cause system hang and panic" [Undecided,Incomplete] [04:50] =þ [04:50] I'd hope it'd exceed them; it shouldn't be too hard. [04:50] Niice, long stacktrace. [04:50] =þ [04:50] I'm considering making a PulseAudio virtual sound card driver for Windows as my senior project; I'd just have to find out how to do driver programming. [04:55] there's an older Windows port; you shouldn't need to do any driver programming at all. [04:55] just look at how other apps like foobar2000 plug into directsound [04:56] Other way around! [04:56] I want a virtual sound card. [04:57] So you can have network-transparent audio on windows, too. [04:57] And local device-switching. [04:57] Windows already has that. Again, see what fb2k does. [04:58] Is it a sound card that all apps can use? [04:58] yes [04:58] I thought it was just a media plater app. [04:58] player. [04:58] nope [04:58] MS is way ahead of Linux/BSD in this regard. [04:59] dtchen: Hm. It's been some time since I used foobar; what exactly does it do? [05:00] raof: it's a media player, arguably the most featureful [05:00] I know it's a media player. [05:00] I used it. [05:00] (Some time ago) [05:00] meaning what does it offer? [05:00] When I used it, there was no part of it that was like pulseaudio in any way. What does it do *now* that it didn't do then? :) [05:01] no, it doesn't do what PA does. It just plugs into Window's DS and kernel mixing via separate configurations [05:01] Windows's* [05:01] And by device switching, I mean, I should be able to yank my USB sound card and have all apps using it drop back to onboard. [05:03] dtchen: That doesn't sound at all like what we're talking about :) [05:04] ok, from what i understood, DanaG was referring to a virtual sound card that interfaces with PA to handle on-the-fly stream switching [05:05] A virtual sound card that pipes audio to pulseaudio, yes. [05:06] Does foobar2k provide such a thing? That sounds rather outside its core-competency ;) [05:06] right, and DS already provides an interface to write into and read from, so you simply need to hook PA into DS to handle sink functionality (to use PA's terminology). [05:07] raof: no, the fb2k reference was for examining how fb2k handles the DS sink [05:08] Aaah, right. [05:09] Yes, I know it's possible (although I think the statement "MS is way ahead of Linux/BSD in this regard" might need some citation ;)) [05:10] fair enough =) [05:10] http://blog.uncool.in/2009/01/19/computer-science-fail-higher-education-in-india/ [05:11] Because it's (obviously) been possible to do exactly that with ALSA for some time, too. === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo [05:13] some form of stream mixing, certainly. however, DS offers rather uniform and sensible volume and mixer abstractions [05:13] the very volume mismatch that you mentioned in -devel hasn't been an issue in Windows for some time [05:14] i'm not a Windows fan by any stretch of the imagination, but some things just are more sensible in other OSes currently. [05:15] Yeah. [05:15] ALSA is apparently not the easiest of audio APIs around. [05:16] ALSA is "omg my eyes are bleeding" hard to use [05:16] Heh, look at the win7 mixer applet... on single-click, it shows volumes for all output devices. [05:39] has anyone noticed that sometimes aptitude fails to remove automatic dependencies? I remember there was a bug about one of those packages in LP, but today I discovered that kubuntu-desktop is another one. Tried purging it, and none of the dependencies were removed. [05:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/305504 [05:46] Launchpad bug 305504 in aptitude "aptitude does not automatically remove unused packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:08] Sweet, in ALSA 1.0.19 [06:08] - ALSA: hda - Add a new function to seek for a codec ID [06:08] for the Gateway laptop. === hggdh is now known as hggdh|away === RAOF is now known as raof [06:58] what the heck? Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Element not allowed inside in configuration file [07:03] Seems to be something about it here http://www.nabble.com/Possible-MBF-due-to-DBus-security-issue-td21268050.html [07:04] eh, restarting hal and then ddbus seemed to work. [07:20] Interesting: [07:21] [ 5252.773847] input: HDA Intel at 0xda300000 irq 22 Line In at Ext Rear Jack as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input15 [07:21] [ 5252.784129] input: HDA Intel at 0xda300000 irq 22 Mic at Ext Front Jack as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/input/input16 [07:21] My sound card is now... an input device.? [07:22] Cool. Jack sensing? [07:23] Yeah, but catting the input device doesn't give anything on jack plug on that laptop. [07:24] Line In at Ext Rear doesn't exist, except on docking station. [07:24] Oh yeah, and I did stop Xorg first. [07:33] how would one revert to the 'default' packages after removing a ppa repo? [07:33] grr... stupid thing doesn't keep my shares, for some reason. [07:42] * DanaG goes off to bed. [07:53] howto install a package with a broken dependency? I'm having problems installing mysql-server (dpkg woes), so I have mysql-server-5.1 instead, which is broken when installing wordpress (it conflicts with mysql-server-5.0). [07:55] arch, I meant mysql-client [07:55] sudo dpkg -i --force-all package.deb [07:55] do it on your own :) [07:56] fosco__, yeah, but I don't want to download all the stuff, I was hoping it aptitude or apt-get could do the trick [07:57] aptitude can do it. [07:57] just run aptitude with no parameters. [07:57] then go hit [07:57] hit 'enter' on a package name to get list of versions. [07:59] uhm, ok I'll see what aptitude can do [08:00] It has a nifty ncurses UI. [08:00] indeed [08:00] it's been years since I used a curses UI tool front end for apt [08:01] do you guys have any trouble installing mysql-server ? [08:01] I use aptitude more than anything else, myself. [08:03] x1250: when I didn't know how mysql server worked, yeah [08:04] x1250: are you using a mirror for apt packages? [08:04] lucent, what do you mean? [08:04] some mirrors do not update very quickly [08:04] I have oodles of repos enabled. [08:04] this results in broken deps [08:04] archive for official and mirrors.kernel.org for speed; each for jaunty AND intrepid. [08:05] And PPAs for each. [08:05] So, I can follow upgrades of the Intrepid X server, so I don't break fglrx. [08:08] I don't use external repos. I'll try changing mirrors. [08:11] aah, it was the mirror :/ [08:27] is jaunty supports sd cards in buildin card reader? [08:27] nastas: yes, I think [08:28] my Dell 1420n laptop computer has an SD card reader attached to the PCI Express bus, and it is working [08:28] lucent: weird i upgrade my laptop and still don't work [08:29] nastas: which computer model? [08:29] HP pavilion [08:29] Hello [08:29] lucent: HP pavilion [08:30] I'd like to know if people who installed jaunty on their laptops (especially if vostro) had trouble when booting on it ? my motherboard just goes mad and bips till i shut the laptop down [08:30] nastas: I don't know. Does it work with a supported OS like Windows? [08:30] lucent: yes it is [08:30] SiDi: I think you may have more basic problems [08:31] so, nastas, we need to know what your device is [08:31] does it attach by USB? [08:31] lucent: hardy works perfectly, but jaunty has a weird message appearing on boot, followed by this terrible noise :O [08:31] SiDi: you know that doesn't sound like the truth to me [08:32] intrepid works perfectly * [08:32] lucent: nope. is a built-in card reader. [08:32] nastas: okay so it uses magic and pixie dust to talk to your motherboard? [08:32] well it's serious :O i never heard such a noise from a motherboard (except when i forgot to plug my GPU on my desktop pc :P) [08:32] oh yeah [08:32] some noise like that [08:32] SiDi: what hardware specs? [08:32] yeh, those bips [08:33] it's a vostro 1510, i don't really know what's the motherboard [08:33] tho it boots perfectly on intrepid [08:33] you always repeat today, it works "perfectly" on some other thing [08:33] what do you want me to do? [08:33] nothing :D [08:34] i just passed to see if other people had the same problem, incase it was something common [08:34] oh, sorry, I don't own a vostro [08:34] lucent: what do you mean? [08:35] SiDi: can you help nastas please? [08:35] it's irritating me [08:35] i can try but i'm leaving in 10 mins [08:35] what's happening, nastas ? [08:36] just drop it [08:38] ok i'm leaving then, have a nice day peeps [08:47] Does anyone have a problem of NetworkManager randomly drop connections (it was as if the radio frequency's kill switch had been turned on and off sporadically) in Jaunty?. [08:47] I saw a thread in the forum with the same problem but no answer. [08:48] I'm thinking about not compiling rfkill module in my kernel, but it worked fine in Ubuntu 8.10 . [10:20] lo all. /dev/dm-0 automounts on /media/disk. How can I change that behaviour to make it mount on /crypt? [10:21] anyone here? [15:00] is anyone looking at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/315941 and all its dupes?? [15:00] Launchpad bug 315941 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_config_match()" [Undecided,New] === magnetic is now known as foolano [15:43] Ubuntu Developer Week - Day 2 just about to start in 17m in #ubuntu-classroom :) [15:56] jaunty is running better on my system than 8.10 does [16:00] all programs i had trouble running on 8.10 run fine in 9.04 === hggdh|away is now known as hggdh [16:09] linuxman410: I sense there is a "but" hanging somewhere:P [16:10] no but here i like jaunty alot no problems at all with it [16:10] just hanging out [16:28] where can i find a list of services i can safely turn off to increase boot time [16:29] i shaved 20 seconds off boot time by disabling bluetooth and enabling auto login === sarixe` is now known as sarixe === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [18:03] I have an unused old laptop that is currently running intrepid. I thought I might put jaunty on it since it's currently just being a paperweight. Is there any reason to prefer a clean install, or shall I just upgrade? [18:05] how big is harddrive maxb [18:05] 80GBish. plenty [18:05] run both then i am i am dual booting 8.10 and 9.04 [18:06] maxb, an upgrade would be an interesting test [18:06] can't be bothered to repartition it. :-) And I really do mean it when I say it's not doing anything useful. If it totally implodes, it's no loss [18:07] * maxb raises an eyebrow at the upgrader wanting to install -dbg packages [18:08] upgrade go for it [18:09] * maxb sets it downloading stuff [18:31] http://www.linux-watch.com/files/misc/ubuntu-billboard.jpg lolol [18:54] Latest mysql server update breaks things badly. === bluesmoke is now known as Amaranth [19:00] Kuaera, hehe, fixed things for me :), try reinstalling all mysql related packages if trouble don't go away. [19:01] hey, are there any news on nvidia drivers for xserver 1.6? [19:01] x1250: Which mysql package do you have installed? [19:03] Kuaera, http://paste.ubuntu.com/107420/ [19:04] DrHalan, they work for some using "IgnoreABI" option. [19:05] oh nice [19:06] it works fine for me [19:07] x1250: The mysql-server-5.1 package had been installed on my system during one update [19:08] Kuaera, mysql-server depends on 5.0 (apt-cache depends mysql-server) [19:08] 5.1 didn't work for me, I had to purge it [19:08] does it work for you? [19:09] It did for a time [19:09] it did for me too. [19:09] Apparently, something changed, though. [19:09] then it woed [19:11] Kuaera, I had to uninstall every mysql package, even mysql-client*, but it finally worked. A lot of packages were removed though, but reinstall them was not a big deal, [19:12] reinstalling* [19:13] I see [19:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/107423/ Familiar, or? [19:14] Kuaera, sure. I thought I wouldn't see that again :) [19:15] So I have to uninstall all mysql packages in order to make mysql-server install? [19:15] purge them, yes [19:15] try the same command from my pastebin, but instead of search, purge. [19:15] Will that nuke any data stored in the mysql database? [19:16] Kuaera, it should ask if you want to remove your databases, if it doesn't that would be a bug. [19:16] x1250: Understood [19:21] x1250: ...that'll uninstall most of my system [19:21] could you pastebin that? [19:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/107426/ [19:22] what about if you just try to install mysql-server ? doesn't work? [19:22] Going to attempt now, again [19:22] Nope. Same error as above [19:23] Kuaera, let me see what I did exactly, I'll check the log [19:23] Alright, thank you [19:36] Kuaera, I think the necessary packages are mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.1 libmysqlclient16 [19:36] but i know I also uninstalled mysql-common libmysqlclient15off, although I don't really know if these packages were really necessary [19:37] Maybe it was just part of the install/uninstall tests I did. [19:38] Kuaera, a lot of kde packages were unistalled though. I just installed them again afterwards. [19:38] Okay. [19:40] Nope, can't install mysql-server-5.1 due to password issues [19:40] Kuaera, what do you mean? [19:41] A dialog came up, saying it could not set the mysql root password [19:41] I think that happens because it is already set. [19:41] Hm. Any way around that? [19:41] I don't know. [19:42] ...hm. [19:43] try googling that, I'm almost positive it is because is already set. It tries to set it and fails. [19:44] Will do, though I'm afraid I don't have the time at the moment [19:45] Kuaera, if you run two times: mysqladmin -u root password yourrootsqlpassword [19:45] it will fail the second time [19:46] I am having some issues with the nvidia drivers and xorg in Jaunty(Development Branch). I can't get X to start even after addin -ignoreABI to startx [19:46] I see [19:46] jpedroza: startx -- -ignoreABI [19:46] will pass it properly [19:47] charlie-tca, ping [19:47] or you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a serverflag for ignoreABI [19:47] hggdh: pong [19:47] apokalyp1: I have added that and it still won't start [19:47] I just filed bug 319342 on xchat [19:47] Launchpad bug 319342 in xchat "xchat dies with a SIGABRT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319342 [19:47] try "startx -- -ignoreABI' [19:48] thanks. I'm loading gdb, since xchat and claws-mail are doing it today [19:48] heh. I am slightly confused by the BT, since it missed two of the most important backtrace lines :-( [19:49] and why the hell is it doing pulseaudio, I yet do not know [19:50] I don't understand most of it, but am confirming the bug and will attach a stacktrace later. [19:50] apokalyp1: It tried to start, but then failed with an error of: couldn't take over org.x.config: [19:50] was the error you getting before stating that you had to use ignoreABI? [19:51] hggdh: done [19:52] apokalyp1: No, different error [19:52] apokalyp1: What do I add to xorg.conf to ignoreABI? [19:52] Hi. I'm having problem with software-properties. [19:53] I can't check ubntu repos:/ [19:53] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121402/software-properties.png [19:53] In software-properties-gtk dialog. [19:54] spitfire_, same here. [19:54] x1250: any way to fix this? [19:55] opening dialog fucks up lists. [19:55] Not sure if opening synaptic does.. [19:55] spitfire_, don't know, I just realized it was that way :( [19:55] x1250: still got that problem? [19:56] I haven't found a bug describing that:/ [19:57] x1250: do you also have this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/121402/software-properties2.png ? [19:57] It displays ubu repos in third-party. [19:57] spitfire_, yes, exactly the same. [19:58] x1250: I'll file a bug, you can confirm :P [20:00] spitfire_, sure. I had a python-apt upgrade today. Its an indirect dependency, so it maybe related. apt-rdepends software-properties-gtk shows it. [20:00] x1250: youre right [20:00] it was from debian [20:00] with ~exp suffix. [20:01] anyway I'll file bug, and suggest it;0 [20:01] or you can;) [20:01] naah, you discovered it :) [20:01] I confirm. [20:02] Kuaera, how did it go? [20:03] x1250: I've not yet had a change to try :/ [20:03] s/ng/nc/ [20:05] x1250: have you tried to downgrade python-apt? [20:05] spitfire_, nope [20:05] try it;) [20:06] And write comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/319350 [20:06] Launchpad bug 319350 in software-properties "Checking repositories in software-properties-gtk does nothing. Ubuntu repos displayed in third party." [Undecided,New] [20:06] ok, I'll do [20:08] x1250: here's similar problem : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/244093 [20:08] Launchpad bug 244093 in python-apt "Checking security repository in Updates adds deb line to Third-Party Software" [High,Fix released] [20:08] caused by python-apt [20:12] x1250: it isn't possible to downgrade. [20:12] All packages are in main [20:13] no poackages can be found in updates security or backports. [20:13] and apt repos can't hold different versions [20:14] spitfire_, I'll test intrepid's [20:15] x1250: no need [20:15] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-apt/ [20:15] x1250: ^^ [20:15] aahh ok [20:15] and get previous:P [20:15] is the online defrag tool part of ext4 right now? [20:15] works ;) [20:15] (for me ) [20:17] yep, for me too [20:18] x1250: I've "blocked version" in synaptic. [20:18] Does it mean it'll omit this one? [20:18] Or disable upgrades of this package? [20:20] Hmm. I just intrepid->jaunty and it was rather anticlimatic, except that it left the intrepid gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad installed [20:20] plugins-bad conflicts with some apparently obsolete fluendo packages [20:20] perhaps it needs to replace them as well? [20:20] x1250: now I'll get working on that gnome-sharp2 transition stuff ;) [20:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/314516 [20:20] Launchpad bug 314516 in tomboy "gnome-sharp2 transition" [Medium,Confirmed] [20:24] spitfire_, something related: try installing gnome-subtitles [20:24] x1250: does it depend on gnome-sharp2.0? [20:24]