[00:38] Hello People. [00:38] there's an acpi-support update that fails to download. [00:38] saluton [00:40] what's teh recommended thing to do in that case? [00:45] don't update [01:02] Try again in an hour or so. [01:02] Somethimes the servers and mirrors are just very busy [02:10] Is there a db where packages are listed for different repoositories? [02:10] Especially if I don't have them listed in my source.list ? [03:28] Anyone using 9.04 Alpha 3 yet? Very curious. [03:29] I hear it works alright [03:30] I'm using it on this system [03:30] I'm reading about it now and "X.org's latest 1.6 driver = no support for nVidia drivers" ??? [03:30] The startup is very fast [03:31] Yeah, no nvidia or ati restricted drivers yet [03:31] Lame. How long 'til they catch up, you think? [03:31] Hard to say, the kernel is still not decided on too. [03:31] Hmm. [03:32] I hear if you do without DRI by turning it off, you might be able to use nvidia. [03:32] OTOH, it will break things too! [03:33] Gotta keep an 8.10 system going just in case. [03:33] I guess I'll wait a bit--at least 'til the first Beta. But's it's soo hard! [03:34] I know! I gave up waiting and just put up with issues. [03:34] Heh. [03:34] It is fast, and the big thing is the apps that just close, with no warning. [03:36] Like the iPhone! ;D [03:36] It does that too? [03:36] Oh yeah. Especially Safari. [03:37] I keep thinking somebody has to test it. :-) [03:41] likemindead: you could always run the livecd! Gives the fun without the danger... [03:42] Too true. [03:46] Anyone here played with CrunchBang Linux? [04:09] will the amd64 iamge work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing [04:11] Hey can any1 tell me the cmd to access the C drive on my ubuntu computer? [04:11] linux doesnt work like that.. [04:11] It doesnt? [04:12] Theres a C drive on linux correct? [04:12] it's not called a c drive [04:12] sdax [04:12] whats it called? [04:12] sdx if is sata [04:13] hdx if is IDE [04:13] sdax? [04:13] sdx = device [04:13] sdax = partition [04:13] !help [04:13] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [04:13] forces: will the amd64 downloadable image work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing [04:13] !manual [04:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about manual [04:14] shouldnt the it be Hd1? [04:14] thats what im reading [04:17] * forces is listening to: PANIC! At The Disco - A Fever You Can't Sweat Out - Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off - (0:33/3:20) [04:56] hello [04:57] hi! [05:01] anybody know if is possible to make the desktop "grid" smaller? [05:01] I have the icons too separate one from other [05:01] I increased the icons size to 64px... [05:19] hi guys... how do I set a terminal command to run each time i log into the system. At the moment i need to type "mount.cifs //xx.xx.xx.xx/Archive ~/Network/Archive01" into the console to be able to access the share. I have tried using the "autostart" thing in applications/settings/settings manager... but adding a new item to autostartan pasting the terminal commadn into it.. but it dose not work [05:19] Thanks in advance [06:01] I don't have an option to use 1024x768 in GNOME. How to I force this resolution? [06:32] I have some older machines (presario 5000us and emachine T3406) and wanted to install Ubuntu/Edubuntu. Just wondering on anyones thoughts about Xubuntu for these machines instead as they have minimal ram (256-512mb)? [06:34] 512M might work [06:35] 256M might work with Xubuntu, but I'm told Edubuntu wants (Gnome) Ubuntu [06:35] ...so that's probably not a practical option on the 256M machine [06:38] ball: I am a bit new at this so I'll ask. Can one install Xubuntu due to its lower operating requirments and then install the edubuntu add on CD onto that when they hve more Ram? [06:38] *have [06:40] marabout: I was hoping to do something similar but I was told on Saturday that Edubuntu requires lumps of Ubuntu. [06:40] It may be possible to install individual applications that are in Edubuntu, but for the full experience Ubuntu seems somewhat mandatory. [06:42] ball: I see and so we are looking at a minimum of 512 ram if not more for that to function as it should? [06:42] Yes. Xubuntu seems to work in 512M of RAM, but I'm not using heavy applications. [08:50] Where should I put a file that I want to execute automatically on each boot? [08:57] Muhammad_Saad, on login, you can go to the auto-started apps section of the settings manager, if its a cli app you want to run on boot look at /etc/rc.local [08:57] Thanks. [09:42] Hi. I am wanting to instal Xubuntu (or Ubuntu) on the currently unformatted second partition on the slave drive of myWindows computer [09:43] I have found Installation instructions but when mentioning partitions it says Use entire disk which does not help me. [09:43] http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Screenshot-Xubuntu_partition_disks.jpg [11:23] will the amd64 downloadable image work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing [11:40] Everyone who could help seems to be asleep. Sorry - I have no idea. [11:51] What apps do you as a user use that is not available for windows? [11:51] Like killer apps. [11:51] I personally prefer rhythmbox over anything on windows. [11:51] just wondering if there are any more examples. [11:53] gwibber, though it's not in ubuntu yet [11:53] gwibber? ive got to look that up.. [11:53] judgen: Kalarm, Rhythmbox, Umm... xpdf [11:53] if you're into microblogging, that is [11:53] oh, not really... [11:53] twitter, jaiku, digg, flickr, identica, facebook etc [11:54] fiendishfish xpdf is very nice indeed. [11:54] Fluxbox [11:54] ;) [11:54] heh [11:54] terminator, if you're into gui tools [11:54] er [11:54] cli tools [11:54] fiendishfish openbox exists for windows, and i find it to be very similar to fluxbox for X [11:54] and so does blackbox [11:54] judgen: : [11:54] :O [11:55] bb4win has the most recent build of blackbox for windows. [11:58] im currently in windows trying out andLinux, pretty neat. All GTK apps ive tested works so far. [12:00] will the amd64 downloadable image work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing [12:03] Screenshot: http://judgen.googlepages.com/screenshot-andLinux.jpg [12:26] Sunsh1ne yes it will [12:26] ah ok..thanks..it's metioning an amd processor all the time [12:26] Sunsh1ne amd64 is the instuctions found in most intel and amd 64bit processors (with the exception to intel itanium) [12:26] i see [12:26] the amd part is confusing ;-) [12:27] Sunsh1ne why? it was AMD that invetned the x86 consumer implementation of 64bit. [12:27] yes but i didnt know that [12:27] yeah.. then it might be confusing [12:28] if you dont know such a thing you get confused reading the help [12:29] Sunsh1ne that is why microsoft (some say they are faulty in doing so, not giving credit where credit is due) just calls their 64bit os just x64. [12:29] right [12:29] ie: Windows Vista x64 or Windows XP x64 [12:30] well thanks for clearing that up ;-) maybe you could help me with another question too [12:30] what would be a good disk layout to use for xubunut considering performance , fragmention, updating, safety of personal stuff..(maybe i should add i install xubuntu in vmware too) [12:30] how many seperate partitions? nd how big? [12:32] Sunsh1ne if you do automatic partitioning it sets up a / and a swap partition. Swap is reccomended to 1.5x the size of ram in the machine (or in your case the virtual machine) [12:33] I personally prefer to keep a separate /home partition so my settings does not get removed if i reinstall... but that is up to the user. [12:33] yeah i like that too [12:34] also your home dir can be encrypted with a small performance loss, but huge security benefits. [12:34] how would i do that? [12:34] Sunsh1ne i dont use it personally, as i dont save any important data on my computer worthy of protecting =) [12:34] isnt it smart to seperate /tmp also from / ? [12:34] heh ok ;-) [12:34] but there are plenty of tutorials, also that can be done after installation. [12:35] ok..i'll leave that issue for later then [12:35] i think i would like a seperate /, /swap and /home..and maybe even /var and /usr ? does that make any sense? [12:36] and how big would they have to be for good operation? [12:37] in /var/apt/cache all package files are kept, so thats depending how much software you intend to install. [12:37] and putting /usr as a separate partition does not offer any benefits afaik. [12:37] only getting the risk of that pertition beeing to small when youve installed enough apps or other stuff. [12:38] ok no seperate /usr then [12:38] id say go with /, swap, /home thats the ideal sollution as the reisk of wasting space gets alot smaller. [12:38] no seperate /var either? [12:42] i would not see the point of a spearate var. [12:42] but as youre doing it in vmware you could try it. [12:43] having to clear the var/apt/cache during a large install with synaptic can be very annoying. [12:43] so better having var in / [12:43] then you can remove the .debs afterwards instead. [12:44] i'm a beginner with xubuntu and a very expereienced windows users but not a very experienced linux user in general anymore (should return ratherr qucikly though) [12:47] Xubuntu is very straigtforward so even without previous experience i think youll manage just fine. [12:47] And if not, we're here for you ;-) [12:48] Sunsh1ne have you used apt before? [12:48] (the package management tool) [12:48] synaptic is a very good frontend for it. [12:49] no [12:49] i'm new to both [12:49] That's like five new words in three lines :P [12:49] i appreciate you helping me out ehre [12:49] Installing apps is soo much simpler in linux than in windows. [12:50] why is it an advantgae to have /var in / when learing the var/apt/vcache ? [12:51] in windows youve got to hunt a .exe or .msi file from some website, scan it for viruses, run the install app click a throusand times and specify folders. and that is repeated every time you install an app. In ubuntu or other .deb based distros you just load up synaptic, pick what you want from the lits (or search) click install and then apply. Done. [12:51] pretty neat- [12:52] Sunsh1ne, *everything* is in / [12:53] Sunsh1ne if you have it in / instead of a separate /var the /var can fit as much data as the entire / allows. having in in a separate /var means you cant have more data in it than the size of that partition. so while installing loads of apps at the same time, all stuff that you are about to install ends up in /var until done. So if you choose to install to many apps the /var might get full and you cant install untill yo [12:53] did that make sense to you? [12:53] vinnl he was wondering about a separate /var partition. [12:54] Ah [12:54] there is not advantage to having a separate /var, but a few drawbacks. [12:54] yes makes sense ;-) [12:54] you guys are great [12:54] Sunsh1ne no problem =) [12:54] one question left i gues..and that's appropiate sizes for / and /tmp [12:55] it's clear /home is flexible [12:55] well, you don't really want to get your / full just because some app put too much in /var [12:55] but / and /tmp will prob have a "suitable smar"standard size [12:55] yeah indeed [12:56] thats why i broyght up the seperate /var thing in the first place ;-) [12:56] TheSheep thats not a problem, 5% is reserved by default with ext2/3/4 for system when formatting / [12:56] so which numbers would be kinda ideal to pick not wasting too much diskspace but still be quite safe? [12:56] on the other hand, if you don't have experience and don't know what the apropriate sizes are for your particular use, then it's probably better to have everything except home together in / [12:57] using lvm helps here, as it lest you grow partitions easily [12:57] All but /home is probably best sollution for you in this case. [12:57] well..i'm an experienced computer suer in general..i dont want the easy way ..i really prefer the better way ;-) [12:57] even it will cost me some more effort [12:57] s/lest/lets [12:58] ive gotta go do some work. [12:58] Ill see you later- [12:58] judgen: thanks a lot for the support [12:58] Bye [12:58] Sunsh1ne np === judgen is now known as judgen-away [12:59] guys what's a proper (start) size for / and /tmp then ? [13:00] TheSheep: xubuntu will offer me lvm ? [13:00] I suppose /tmp should be as large as the amount of temporary data you think you'll be using each session, keeping in mind that it's cleared every shutdown [13:01] Sunsh1ne: yes, it's an option when creating the partitions [13:02] Sunspersonally I just use a 8GB partition for /, together with /var, /tmp and /usr [13:02] vinnl: thats exactly what i'm asking..how much /tmp data can an xubuntu user expect to be using? i know how much windows "needs" for /temp [13:02] That depends on what you do :P [13:02] i understand that ;-) [13:02] Sunsh1ne: I'm a bit experienced, so I don't mind that it's not bulletproof -- it's more important to me that it's simple and doesn't require me to think too much [13:02] normal use [13:03] if it ever feels up, I now what to do [13:03] fills [13:03] i see...so you use one partition only [13:03] one per system ;) [13:03] system? [13:03] There's currently 86.8MB worth of data in my /tmp, and I'm dumping everything I quickly need over there :P [13:03] But there might be exceptions where you want more space than you normally use [13:04] TheSheep, also a /home I assume? ;-) [13:04] I usually have several distributions installed at the same time, to see what they are doing and to hack :) [13:04] in windows some packages can requiere as much as 1 TB of /temp space..i dont know if use of /tmp in xubuntu is entirely similar [13:04] vinnl: yes, /home and /porn are separate ;) [13:04] xD [13:04] TheSheep: under vmware? or at boot? [13:05] Sunsh1ne: at boot, yeah, I should start using virtual machines some day [13:05] vinnl: so you'd say having 1 TB of diskspace for /tmp is overkill? [13:05] definitely [13:05] I don't even have 1TB of diskspace for my whole system :P [13:05] LOL [13:06] Like, 60GB :P [13:06] at the moment my /tmp takes up 40kB [13:06] bleh..i write TB when i meant GB all the time ;-) [13:06] xD [13:06] i meant 1 GB for /tmp [13:07] Sunsh1ne: it all depends on how much space you have to spare [13:07] my windows /temp is 5 gb for comparison [13:07] space isnt really an issue [13:07] but ofcourse i would hate to really waste it [13:07] Sunsh1ne: why don't you just leave it in / and create the partition when you decide you need it and know how large it should be? [13:08] it's just one line in /etc/fstab [13:08] well i'm installing under vmware [13:08] so its perhaps better to know upfront [13:08] all the more reason to keep it simple [13:09] if i fill up the whole of the virtual disk already and later on have to add another virtual disk for /tmp that is extra complication too [13:09] btw, in kernels from the 2.6 family swap partition is no longer faster than swap file, so that's another place where it can be simpler [13:09] i didnt know that [13:09] learning with the minute here ;-) [13:10] so you are saying there is no use for having a seperate /swap partition? [13:10] wont a swap file be fragmentated if it is part of / fro example? [13:10] well, it's set up automaticalle, where you would have to set up your swap file yourself, so there is an advantage [13:10] Sunsh1ne: no [13:10] Sunsh1ne: it's created as a continous space and stays that way [13:11] ok [13:11] it doesn't grow automatically like on windows though [13:11] having to do some work myself isnt really a disadvantage [13:11] i just want to do the proepr best thing ;-) [13:11] but you can always add more swap files at runtime [13:11] i see [13:12] i'm ending up with less and less partitions it seems ;-) [13:12] hi [13:12] hello atari_ [13:12] hi TheSheep [13:12] would having a size of 1 Gb for /tmp be overkill too? [13:13] has anyone an idea why xfce doesnt show me the task and menu bar? [13:13] Sunsh1ne: unless you actually know and use an application that needs that much, yes [13:14] atari_, press Alt+F2 then run xfce4-panel [13:14] atari_: press alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', press enter, save session when logging out [13:14] TheSheep, is the session saving really needed? Seems to only cause trouble [13:14] but... well. ic dont know how it got lost... [13:14] thx vinnl, TheSheep [13:15] atari_, that happens, unfortunately :( [13:15] good to know for the next time, it's xfce4-panel ;) [13:15] vinnl: either that or deleteing the saved session [13:15] TheSheep, doesn't it also happen without having sessions saved? [13:15] vinnl: because you are right: it's most probably caused by saved session anyways [13:16] Ah, OK [13:16] vinnl: it can happen randomly, but doesn't stay then [13:16] i really want to save my sessions... otherwise i have to open my 15 xterms manually ;) [13:16] Ah OK, then just keep saving it :P [13:16] atari_, you can also add it to Applications->Settings->Settings Manager, then Autostarted Applications [13:16] but its really strage, it got lost... [13:17] i'll tell you in about 2 weeks or so whether its working ;) [13:18] ;-) [13:19] is there a way to attach symbols in the background or apps with xfce? [13:19] i dont mean icons... [13:19] ? [13:19] i mean like the output of sensors or so [13:21] Ah [13:21] Ehm, I believe there was an app called 'conky' you might like [13:21] There are also some panel plugins [13:21] lets check freshmeat... ;) [13:21] no. not conky. thats too much... [13:22] it would be enough if i could run a xterm, but on the background [13:23] atari_, a Google search found me this: http://wayofthegeek.org/2008/06/sooo-pretty/ [13:26] Anyway, I'm off, good luck :) === judgen-away is now known as judgen [14:16] bk [14:17] atari_ you mean like superkaramba for kde? [14:18] atari_ You could use a tray applet though and connect it to the sensors. [14:19] sensors arent the only thing i like to run on the background ;) [14:19] but i guess that wouldnt qualify as "on the desktop" though [14:19] atari_ tried google desktop? [14:19] you can use the google widgets. [14:20] well. i used to have wmaker. in there i was able to stick dockapps around... not that bad [14:20] but now i'd like to have some thing directly on the desktop [14:20] true [14:21] I dont exactly know what you want.. [14:21] you know the calendar function of windows vista for example? [14:21] Nope i dont use vista. [14:21] its just sticked on the desktop [14:21] no app in the task bar etc. [14:21] aaah like gnome dekslets and superkaramba. [14:21] gnome has had that since 1998 [14:21] i'm not sure what superkaramba does [14:22] let me check "gnome desklets" [14:22] atari_ want me to fetch a screenshot [14:22] if you have it running ;) [14:23] atari_no i dont run superkaramba at the moment... [14:23] i dont have a xserver installed. [14:23] hehe [14:23] i saw some screenshots of superkaramba... i meant the gnome desklets [14:23] http://mojah.de/Bilder/linux/Gnome_Desklets.png [14:24] something like that i meant [14:26] yeah [14:26] then gnome desklets is for you [14:26] screenslets looks useful as well [14:27] i dont know but i think superkaramba requires kde. [14:27] atari_ why not try both [14:27] i think i'^ll first try screenlet [14:28] as i have a "slow" machine [14:28] oh ok [14:28] its just an intel atom ;) [14:31] a atom dp or a regular one? [14:31] dual [14:31] err. quad ;) [14:31] dp is 2x1800mhz cores. [14:31] i have 2x1600 [14:31] its an intel atom 330 [14:31] aah ok [14:32] with an dual screen... so its not _that_ fast ;) [14:33] ok [14:33] do you know a programm which uses the F12-key? [14:34] atari_ not really... not in linux atleast. [14:34] hehe [14:34] so i'll assign it to show me the desktop [14:34] atari_ the reason for this is obvious. [14:34] now you know what for i want screenlets ;) [14:35] yeah [14:35] i want a 1gbit wireless switch =P [14:35] that would be awsome [14:35] well... do have post-it's on your desk? [14:36] nope i want my desk to be completley clean and everything sorted in my cabinet alpabetically. [14:36] so then... get yourself a post-it [14:37] thats the first part of the job ;) [14:37] post-it.. do you mean the small yellow sticky paper bits that falls off all the time? [14:37] jep [14:37] useless product [14:38] just wait until i gave you my 4 point instructions... :P [14:38] i much rather prefer a paperclip. [14:38] they're _very_ useful [14:38] ok [14:38] what filesystem would be preferred to use for my xubuntu setup under vmware? does the install give me options? [14:38] reiferfs is best right? [14:38] well. a paperclip will not work in thie case [14:38] ext3 is the recommended filesystem everywhere, afair [14:38] ext4 in 9.04 [14:38] i'd say ext3 too [14:39] doesnt reiserfs perform nbetter? [14:39] 9.04 ? thats not out is it? [14:39] 9=year, 04=month [14:39] Sunsh1ne default would be ext3. and Its very well tested and fast. Ext4 is indeed faster than ext3 but is a little less tested. xfs is very fast but does not support booting with grub. and reiserfs does not fragment nearly as much as the others and is the fastest when writing certain filesizes. ...your pick. [14:40] less fragmentation is prob important under vmware [14:40] reiserfs and ext4 is also journaled. [14:40] Sunsh1ne maybe. [14:40] ext3 is journaled too [14:41] Sunsh1ne what is your host os? [14:41] depends whether its an image or a partition [14:41] TheSheep yes but optional. [14:41] ext4 is not generally "better"than reiser? [14:41] judgen: non-journaled ext3 is called ext2 :) [14:41] host os is vista ultimate 64 bit [14:41] welll. in this case i dont think it'll make a difference... [14:41] Sunsh1ne: none of them is better in general, they are all different in various ways [14:42] Sunsh1ne resierfs is basicly dead nowdays. As the company that made it folded after its owner got convicted for mudering his wife. [14:42] there is a little activity on resier4 though. [14:42] judgen: yeah i have read something about that...incredible story [14:42] xfs is sun's, right? [14:42] isnt it SGI? [14:42] from irix? [14:43] zfs is from sun [14:43] reiser being nearly "dead"prob suggest i should use ext4? would ext4 be second best fragmentationwise? [14:43] what is grub? boot mananger? do i miss something when not being able to use that? [14:44] Sunsh1ne depends.. if you like lilo its not a problem. [14:44] dunno ifi like that compared to grub ;-) [14:44] i've used lilo years ago [14:44] nevr used or seen grub [14:44] Sunsh1ne its the bootloader [14:44] I'm cold [14:44] ridiculously cold. [14:44] reiser being nearly "dead"prob suggest i should use ext4? would ext4 be second best fragmentationwise? [14:45] grub is a little 'smarter', letting you to edit the configuration on the fly before booting [14:45] Sunsh1ne grub has its config nicely available in /boot/grub/ [14:45] that's handy when you break you boot config [14:45] Sunsh1ne also supports skinning nad such [14:45] ok that sounds like th ebetter one then [14:45] judgen: lilo has skinning too [14:45] but i guess i could live without it [14:45] ball: ask judgen whether he could give you some post-it... so you could make a fire :P [14:45] TheSheep oh yeah... ive never bothered though. [14:45] most parts of linux are like that :) [14:46] reiser being nearly "dead"prob suggest i should use ext4? would ext4 be second best fragmentationwise? [14:46] atari_: I should just hook up my Athlon 64 chip, that'd do it. Are you 8-bit or ST btw? [14:46] Sunsh1ne as the newest official version of xubuntu does not have ext4 at the installer stage yet. i dont think that you can pick it. [14:47] ball: sorry... fully colorized :P [14:47] would need 9.04 for that i guess. [14:47] atari_: rainbow TOS? [14:47] FeeMiNT ftw! =) [14:47] FreeMiNT [14:48] * ball used to like MiNT [14:48] Need an old version of TOSwin though. [14:48]