[00:38] <xubuser> Hello People.
[00:38] <xubuser> there's an acpi-support update that fails to download.
[00:38] <forces> saluton
[00:40] <xubuser> what's teh recommended thing to do in that case?
[00:45] <forces> don't update
[01:02] <charlie-tca> Try again in an hour or so.
[01:02] <charlie-tca> Somethimes the servers and mirrors are just very busy
[02:10] <charding> Is there a db where packages are listed for different repoositories?
[02:10] <charding> Especially if I don't have them listed in my source.list ?
[03:28] <likemindead> Anyone using 9.04 Alpha 3 yet? Very curious.
[03:29] <cody-somerville> I hear it works alright
[03:30] <charlie-tca> I'm using it on this system
[03:30] <likemindead> I'm reading about it now and "X.org's latest 1.6 driver = no support for nVidia drivers" ???
[03:30] <charlie-tca> The startup is very fast
[03:31] <charlie-tca> Yeah, no nvidia or ati restricted drivers yet
[03:31] <likemindead> Lame. How long 'til they catch up, you think?
[03:31] <charlie-tca> Hard to say, the kernel is still not decided on too.
[03:31] <likemindead> Hmm.
[03:32] <charlie-tca> I hear if you do without DRI by turning it off, you might be able to use nvidia.
[03:32] <charlie-tca> OTOH, it will break things too!
[03:33] <charlie-tca> Gotta keep an 8.10 system going just in case.
[03:33] <likemindead> I guess I'll wait a bit--at least 'til the first Beta. But's it's soo hard!
[03:34] <charlie-tca> I know! I gave up waiting and just put up with issues.
[03:34] <likemindead> Heh.
[03:34] <charlie-tca> It is fast, and the big thing is the apps that just close, with no warning.
[03:36] <likemindead> Like the iPhone! ;D
[03:36] <charlie-tca> It does that too?
[03:36] <likemindead> Oh yeah. Especially Safari.
[03:37] <charlie-tca> I keep thinking somebody has to test it. :-)
[03:41] <charlie-tca> likemindead: you could always run the livecd! Gives the fun without the danger...
[03:42] <likemindead> Too true.
[03:46] <likemindead> Anyone here played with CrunchBang Linux?
[04:09] <Sunsh1ne> will the amd64 iamge work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing
[04:11] <linuxnoob> Hey can any1 tell me the cmd to access the C drive on my ubuntu computer?
[04:11] <Sunsh1ne> linux doesnt work like that..
[04:11] <linuxnoob> It doesnt?
[04:12] <linuxnoob> Theres a C drive on linux correct?
[04:12] <Sunsh1ne> it's not called a c drive
[04:12] <forces> sdax
[04:12] <linuxnoob> whats it called?
[04:12] <forces> sdx if is sata
[04:13] <forces> hdx if is IDE
[04:13] <linuxnoob> sdax?
[04:13] <forces> sdx = device
[04:13] <forces> sdax = partition
[04:13] <forces> !help
[04:13] <Sunsh1ne> forces: will the amd64 downloadable image work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing
[04:13] <forces> !manual
[04:14] <linuxnoob> shouldnt the it be Hd1?
[04:14] <linuxnoob> thats what im reading
[04:17]  * forces is listening to: PANIC! At The Disco - A Fever You Can't Sweat Out - Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off - (0:33/3:20)
[04:56] <webbi> hello
[04:57] <forces> hi!
[05:01] <webbi> anybody know if is possible to make the desktop "grid" smaller?
[05:01] <webbi> I have the icons too separate one from other
[05:01] <webbi> I increased the icons size to 64px...
[05:19] <Jynks> hi guys... how do I set a terminal command to run each time i log into the system. At the moment i need to type "mount.cifs //xx.xx.xx.xx/Archive ~/Network/Archive01" into the console to be able to access the share. I have tried using the "autostart" thing in applications/settings/settings manager... but adding a new item to autostartan pasting the terminal commadn into it.. but it dose not work
[05:19] <Jynks> Thanks in advance
[06:01] <lilajarman> I don't have an option to use 1024x768 in GNOME. How to I force this resolution?
[06:32] <marabout> I have some older machines (presario 5000us and emachine T3406) and wanted to install Ubuntu/Edubuntu. Just wondering on anyones thoughts about Xubuntu for these machines instead as they have minimal ram (256-512mb)?
[06:34] <ball> 512M might work
[06:35] <ball> 256M might work with Xubuntu, but I'm told Edubuntu wants (Gnome) Ubuntu
[06:35] <ball> ...so that's probably not a practical option on the 256M machine
[06:38] <marabout> ball: I am a bit new at this so I'll ask. Can one install Xubuntu due to its lower operating requirments and then install the edubuntu add on CD onto that when they hve more Ram?
[06:38] <marabout> *have
[06:40] <ball> marabout: I was hoping to do something similar but I was told on Saturday that Edubuntu requires lumps of Ubuntu.
[06:40] <ball> It may be possible to install individual applications that are in Edubuntu, but for the full experience Ubuntu seems somewhat mandatory.
[06:42] <marabout> ball: I see and so we are looking at a minimum of 512 ram if not more for that to function as it should?
[06:42] <ball> Yes.  Xubuntu seems to work in 512M of RAM, but I'm not using heavy applications.
[08:50] <Muhammad_Saad> Where should I put a file that I want to execute automatically on each boot?
[08:57] <ablomen> Muhammad_Saad, on login, you can go to the auto-started apps section of the settings manager, if its a cli app you want to run on boot look at /etc/rc.local
[08:57] <Muhammad_Saad> Thanks.
[09:42] <GINZ> Hi. I am wanting to instal Xubuntu (or Ubuntu) on the currently unformatted second partition on the slave drive of myWindows computer
[09:43] <GINZ> I have found Installation instructions but when mentioning partitions it says Use entire disk which does not help me.
[09:43] <GINZ> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Image:Screenshot-Xubuntu_partition_disks.jpg
[11:23] <Sunsh1ne> will the amd64 downloadable image work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing
[11:40] <GINZ> Everyone who could help seems to be asleep. Sorry - I have no idea.
[11:51] <judgen> What apps do you as a user use that is not available for windows?
[11:51] <judgen> Like killer apps.
[11:51] <judgen> I personally prefer rhythmbox over anything on windows.
[11:51] <judgen> just wondering if there are any more examples.
[11:53] <Myrtti> gwibber, though it's not in ubuntu yet
[11:53] <judgen> gwibber? ive got to look that up..
[11:53] <fiendishfish> judgen: Kalarm, Rhythmbox, Umm... xpdf
[11:53] <Myrtti> if you're into microblogging, that is
[11:53] <judgen> oh, not really...
[11:53] <Myrtti> twitter, jaiku, digg, flickr, identica, facebook etc
[11:54] <judgen> fiendishfish xpdf is very nice indeed.
[11:54] <fiendishfish> Fluxbox
[11:54] <fiendishfish> ;)
[11:54] <fiendishfish> heh
[11:54] <Myrtti> terminator, if you're into gui tools
[11:54] <Myrtti> er
[11:54] <Myrtti> cli tools
[11:54] <judgen> fiendishfish openbox exists for windows, and i find it to be very similar to fluxbox for X
[11:54] <judgen> and so does blackbox
[11:54] <fiendishfish> judgen: :
[11:54] <fiendishfish> :O
[11:55] <judgen> bb4win has the most recent build of blackbox for windows.
[11:58] <judgen> im currently in windows trying out andLinux, pretty neat. All GTK apps ive tested works so far.
[12:00] <Sunsh1ne> will the amd64 downloadable image work on intel quad core Q6600 as well? can someone tell me? the help page is confusing
[12:03] <judgen> Screenshot: http://judgen.googlepages.com/screenshot-andLinux.jpg
[12:26] <judgen> Sunsh1ne yes it will
[12:26] <Sunsh1ne> ah ok..thanks..it's metioning an amd processor all the time
[12:26] <judgen> Sunsh1ne amd64 is the instuctions found in most intel and amd 64bit processors (with the exception to intel itanium)
[12:26] <Sunsh1ne> i see
[12:26] <Sunsh1ne> the amd part is confusing ;-)
[12:27] <judgen> Sunsh1ne why? it was AMD that invetned the x86 consumer implementation of 64bit.
[12:27] <Sunsh1ne> yes but i didnt know that
[12:27] <judgen> yeah.. then it might be confusing
[12:28] <Sunsh1ne> if you dont know such a thing you get confused reading the help
[12:29] <judgen> Sunsh1ne that is why microsoft (some say they are faulty in doing so, not giving credit where credit is due) just calls their 64bit os just x64.
[12:29] <Sunsh1ne> right
[12:29] <judgen> ie: Windows Vista x64 or Windows XP x64
[12:30] <Sunsh1ne> well thanks for clearing that up ;-) maybe you could help me with another question too
[12:30] <Sunsh1ne> what would be a good disk layout to use for xubunut considering performance , fragmention, updating, safety of personal stuff..(maybe i should add i install xubuntu in vmware too)
[12:30] <Sunsh1ne> how many seperate partitions? nd how big?
[12:32] <judgen> Sunsh1ne if you do automatic partitioning it sets up a / and a swap partition. Swap is reccomended to 1.5x the size of ram in the machine (or in your case the virtual machine)
[12:33] <judgen> I personally prefer to keep a separate /home partition so my settings does not get removed if i reinstall... but that is up to the user.
[12:33] <Sunsh1ne> yeah i like that too
[12:34] <judgen> also your home dir can be encrypted with a small performance loss, but huge security benefits.
[12:34] <Sunsh1ne> how would i do that?
[12:34] <judgen> Sunsh1ne i dont use it personally, as i dont save any important data on my computer worthy of protecting =)
[12:34] <Sunsh1ne> isnt it smart to seperate /tmp also from / ?
[12:34] <Sunsh1ne> heh ok ;-)
[12:34] <judgen> but there are plenty of tutorials, also that can be done after installation.
[12:35] <Sunsh1ne> ok..i'll leave that issue for later then
[12:35] <Sunsh1ne> i think i would like a seperate /, /swap and /home..and maybe even /var and /usr ? does that make any sense?
[12:36] <Sunsh1ne> and how big would they have to be for good operation?
[12:37] <judgen> in /var/apt/cache all package files are kept, so thats depending how much software you intend to install.
[12:37] <judgen> and putting /usr as a separate partition does not offer any benefits afaik.
[12:37] <judgen> only getting the risk of that pertition beeing to small when youve installed enough apps or other stuff.
[12:38] <Sunsh1ne> ok no seperate /usr then
[12:38] <judgen> id say go with /, swap, /home thats the ideal sollution as the reisk of wasting space gets alot smaller.
[12:38] <Sunsh1ne> no seperate /var either?
[12:42] <judgen> i would not see the point of a spearate var.
[12:42] <judgen> but as youre doing it in vmware you could try it.
[12:43] <judgen> having to clear the var/apt/cache during a large install with synaptic can be very annoying.
[12:43] <judgen> so better having var in /
[12:43] <judgen> then you can remove the .debs afterwards instead.
[12:44] <Sunsh1ne> i'm a beginner with xubuntu and a very expereienced windows users but not a very experienced linux user in general anymore (should return ratherr qucikly though)
[12:47] <judgen> Xubuntu is very straigtforward so even without previous experience i think youll manage just fine.
[12:47] <vinnl> And if not, we're here for you ;-)
[12:48] <judgen> Sunsh1ne have you used apt before?
[12:48] <judgen> (the package management tool)
[12:48] <judgen> synaptic is a very good frontend for it.
[12:49] <Sunsh1ne> no
[12:49] <Sunsh1ne> i'm new to both
[12:49] <vinnl> That's like five new words in three lines :P
[12:49] <Sunsh1ne> i appreciate you helping me out ehre
[12:49] <judgen> Installing apps is soo much simpler in linux than in windows.
[12:50] <Sunsh1ne> why is it an advantgae to have /var in / when learing the var/apt/vcache ?
[12:51] <judgen> in windows youve got to hunt a .exe or .msi file from some website, scan it for viruses, run the install app click a throusand times and specify folders. and that is repeated every time you install an app. In ubuntu or other .deb based distros you just load up synaptic, pick what you want from the lits (or search) click install and then apply. Done.
[12:51] <judgen> pretty neat-
[12:52] <vinnl> Sunsh1ne, *everything* is in /
[12:53] <judgen> Sunsh1ne if you have it in / instead of a separate /var the /var can fit as much data as the entire / allows. having in in a separate /var means you cant have more data in it than the size of that partition. so while installing loads of apps at the same time, all stuff that you are about to install ends up in /var until done. So if you choose to install to many apps the /var might get full and you cant install untill yo
[12:53] <judgen> did that make sense to you?
[12:53] <judgen> vinnl he was wondering about a separate /var partition.
[12:54] <vinnl> Ah
[12:54] <judgen> there is not advantage to having a separate /var, but a few drawbacks.
[12:54] <Sunsh1ne> yes makes sense ;-)
[12:54] <Sunsh1ne> you guys are great
[12:54] <judgen> Sunsh1ne no problem =)
[12:54] <Sunsh1ne> one question left i gues..and that's appropiate sizes for / and /tmp
[12:55] <Sunsh1ne> it's clear /home is flexible
[12:55] <TheSheep> well, you don't really want to get your / full just because some app put too much in /var
[12:55] <Sunsh1ne> but / and /tmp will prob have a "suitable smar"standard size
[12:55] <Sunsh1ne> yeah indeed
[12:56] <Sunsh1ne> thats why i broyght up the seperate /var thing in the first place ;-)
[12:56] <judgen> TheSheep thats not a problem, 5% is reserved by default with ext2/3/4 for system when formatting /
[12:56] <Sunsh1ne> so which numbers would be kinda ideal to pick not wasting too much diskspace but still be quite safe?
[12:56] <TheSheep> on the other hand, if you don't have experience and don't know what the apropriate sizes are for your particular use, then it's probably better to have everything except home together in /
[12:57] <TheSheep> using lvm helps here, as it lest you grow partitions easily
[12:57] <judgen> All but /home is probably best sollution for you in this case.
[12:57] <Sunsh1ne> well..i'm an experienced computer suer in general..i dont want the easy way ..i really prefer the better way ;-)
[12:57] <Sunsh1ne> even it will cost me some more effort
[12:57] <TheSheep> s/lest/lets
[12:58] <judgen> ive gotta go do some work.
[12:58] <judgen> Ill see you later-
[12:58] <Sunsh1ne> judgen: thanks a lot for the support
[12:58] <vinnl> Bye
[12:58] <judgen> Sunsh1ne np
[12:59] <Sunsh1ne> guys what's a proper (start) size for / and /tmp then ?
[13:00] <Sunsh1ne> TheSheep: xubuntu will offer me lvm ?
[13:00] <vinnl> I suppose /tmp should be as large as the amount of temporary data you think you'll be using each session, keeping in mind that it's cleared every shutdown
[13:01] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: yes, it's an option when creating the partitions
[13:02] <TheSheep> Sunspersonally I just use a 8GB partition for /, together with /var, /tmp and /usr
[13:02] <Sunsh1ne> vinnl: thats exactly what i'm asking..how much /tmp data can an xubuntu user expect to be using? i know how much windows "needs" for /temp
[13:02] <vinnl> That depends on what you do :P
[13:02] <Sunsh1ne> i understand that ;-)
[13:02] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: I'm a bit experienced, so I don't mind that it's not bulletproof -- it's more important to me that it's simple and doesn't require me to think too much
[13:02] <Sunsh1ne> normal use
[13:03] <TheSheep> if it ever feels up, I now what to do
[13:03] <TheSheep> fills
[13:03] <Sunsh1ne> i see...so you use one partition only
[13:03] <TheSheep> one per system ;)
[13:03] <Sunsh1ne> system?
[13:03] <vinnl> There's currently 86.8MB worth of data in my /tmp, and I'm dumping everything I quickly need over there :P
[13:03] <vinnl> But there might be exceptions where you want more space than you normally use
[13:04] <vinnl> TheSheep, also a /home I assume? ;-)
[13:04] <TheSheep> I usually have several distributions installed at the same time, to see what they are doing and to hack :)
[13:04] <Sunsh1ne> in windows some packages can requiere as much as 1 TB of /temp space..i dont know if use of /tmp in xubuntu is entirely similar
[13:04] <TheSheep> vinnl: yes, /home and /porn are separate ;)
[13:04] <vinnl> xD
[13:04] <Sunsh1ne> TheSheep: under vmware? or at boot?
[13:05] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: at boot, yeah, I should start using virtual machines some day
[13:05] <Sunsh1ne> vinnl: so you'd say having 1 TB of diskspace for /tmp is overkill?
[13:05] <TheSheep> definitely
[13:05] <vinnl> I don't even have 1TB of diskspace for my whole system :P
[13:05] <Sunsh1ne> LOL
[13:06] <vinnl> Like, 60GB :P
[13:06] <TheSheep> at the moment my /tmp takes up 40kB
[13:06] <Sunsh1ne> bleh..i write TB when i meant GB all the time ;-)
[13:06] <vinnl> xD
[13:06] <Sunsh1ne> i meant 1 GB for /tmp
[13:07] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: it all depends on how much space you have to spare
[13:07] <Sunsh1ne> my windows /temp is 5 gb for comparison
[13:07] <Sunsh1ne> space isnt really an issue
[13:07] <Sunsh1ne> but ofcourse i would hate to really waste it
[13:07] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: why don't you just leave it in / and create the partition when you decide you need it and know how large it should be?
[13:08] <TheSheep> it's just one line in /etc/fstab
[13:08] <Sunsh1ne> well i'm installing under vmware
[13:08] <Sunsh1ne> so its perhaps better to know upfront
[13:08] <TheSheep> all the more reason to keep it simple
[13:09] <Sunsh1ne> if i fill up the whole of the virtual disk already and later on have to add another virtual disk for /tmp that is extra complication too
[13:09] <TheSheep> btw, in kernels from the 2.6 family swap partition is no longer faster than swap file, so that's another place where it can be simpler
[13:09] <Sunsh1ne> i didnt know that
[13:09] <Sunsh1ne> learning with the minute here ;-)
[13:10] <Sunsh1ne> so you are saying there is no use for having a seperate /swap partition?
[13:10] <Sunsh1ne> wont a swap file be fragmentated if it is part of / fro example?
[13:10] <TheSheep> well, it's set up automaticalle, where you would have to set up your swap file yourself, so there is an advantage
[13:10] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: no
[13:10] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: it's created as a continous space and stays that way
[13:11] <Sunsh1ne> ok
[13:11] <TheSheep> it doesn't grow automatically like on windows though
[13:11] <Sunsh1ne> having to do some work myself isnt really a disadvantage
[13:11] <Sunsh1ne> i just want to do the proepr best thing ;-)
[13:11] <TheSheep> but you can always add more swap files at runtime
[13:11] <Sunsh1ne> i see
[13:12] <Sunsh1ne> i'm ending up with less and less partitions it seems ;-)
[13:12] <atari_> hi
[13:12] <TheSheep> hello atari_
[13:12] <atari_> hi TheSheep
[13:12] <Sunsh1ne> would having a size of 1 Gb for /tmp be overkill too?
[13:13] <atari_> has anyone an idea why xfce doesnt show me the task and menu bar?
[13:13] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: unless you actually know and use an application that needs that much, yes
[13:14] <vinnl> atari_, press Alt+F2 then run xfce4-panel
[13:14] <TheSheep> atari_: press alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', press enter, save session when logging out
[13:14] <vinnl> TheSheep, is the session saving really needed? Seems to only cause trouble
[13:14] <atari_> but... well. ic dont know how it got lost...
[13:14] <atari_> thx vinnl, TheSheep
[13:15] <vinnl> atari_, that happens, unfortunately :(
[13:15] <atari_> good to know for the next time, it's xfce4-panel ;)
[13:15] <TheSheep> vinnl: either that or deleteing the saved session
[13:15] <vinnl> TheSheep, doesn't it also happen without having sessions saved?
[13:15] <TheSheep> vinnl: because you are right: it's most probably caused by saved session anyways
[13:16] <vinnl> Ah, OK
[13:16] <TheSheep> vinnl: it can happen randomly, but doesn't stay then
[13:16] <atari_> i really want to save my sessions... otherwise i have to open my 15 xterms manually ;)
[13:16] <vinnl> Ah OK, then just keep saving it :P
[13:16] <vinnl> atari_, you can also add it to Applications->Settings->Settings Manager, then Autostarted Applications
[13:16] <atari_> but its really strage, it got lost...
[13:17] <atari_> i'll tell you in about 2 weeks or so whether its working ;)
[13:18] <vinnl> ;-)
[13:19] <atari_> is there a way to attach symbols in the background or apps with xfce?
[13:19] <atari_> i dont mean icons...
[13:19] <vinnl> ?
[13:19] <atari_> i mean like the output of sensors or so
[13:21] <vinnl> Ah
[13:21] <vinnl> Ehm, I believe there was an app called 'conky' you might like
[13:21] <vinnl> There are also some panel plugins
[13:21] <atari_> lets check freshmeat... ;)
[13:21] <atari_> no. not conky. thats too much...
[13:22] <atari_> it would be enough if i could run a xterm, but on the background
[13:23] <vinnl> atari_, a Google search found me this: http://wayofthegeek.org/2008/06/sooo-pretty/
[13:26] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm off, good luck :)
[14:16] <judgen> bk
[14:17] <judgen> atari_ you mean like superkaramba for kde?
[14:18] <judgen> atari_ You could use a tray applet though and connect it to the sensors.
[14:19] <atari_> sensors arent the only thing i like to run on the background ;)
[14:19] <judgen> but i guess that wouldnt qualify as "on the desktop" though
[14:19] <judgen> atari_ tried google desktop?
[14:19] <judgen> you can use the google widgets.
[14:20] <atari_> well. i used to have wmaker. in there i was able to stick dockapps around... not that bad
[14:20] <atari_> but now i'd like to have some thing directly on the desktop
[14:20] <judgen> true
[14:21] <judgen> I dont exactly know what you want..
[14:21] <atari_> you know the calendar function of windows vista for example?
[14:21] <judgen> Nope i dont use vista.
[14:21] <atari_> its just sticked on the desktop
[14:21] <atari_> no app in the task bar etc.
[14:21] <judgen> aaah like gnome dekslets and superkaramba.
[14:21] <judgen> gnome has had that since 1998
[14:21] <atari_> i'm not sure what superkaramba does
[14:22] <atari_> let me check "gnome desklets"
[14:22] <judgen> atari_ want me to fetch a screenshot
[14:22] <atari_> if you have it running ;)
[14:23] <judgen> atari_no i dont run superkaramba at the moment...
[14:23] <judgen> i dont have a xserver installed.
[14:23] <atari_> hehe
[14:23] <atari_> i saw some screenshots of superkaramba... i meant the gnome desklets
[14:23] <atari_> http://mojah.de/Bilder/linux/Gnome_Desklets.png
[14:24] <atari_> something like that i meant
[14:26] <judgen> yeah
[14:26] <judgen> then gnome desklets is for you
[14:26] <atari_> screenslets looks useful as well
[14:27] <judgen> i dont know but i think superkaramba requires kde.
[14:27] <judgen> atari_ why not try both
[14:27] <atari_> i think i'^ll first try screenlet
[14:28] <atari_> as i have a "slow" machine
[14:28] <judgen> oh ok
[14:28] <atari_> its just an intel atom ;)
[14:31] <judgen> a atom dp or a regular one?
[14:31] <atari_> dual
[14:31] <atari_> err. quad ;)
[14:31] <judgen> dp is 2x1800mhz cores.
[14:31] <atari_> i have 2x1600
[14:31] <atari_> its an intel atom 330
[14:31] <judgen> aah ok
[14:32] <atari_> with an dual screen... so its not _that_ fast ;)
[14:33] <judgen> ok
[14:33] <atari_> do you know a programm which uses the F12-key?
[14:34] <judgen> atari_ not really... not in linux atleast.
[14:34] <atari_> hehe
[14:34] <atari_> so i'll assign it to show me the desktop
[14:34] <judgen> atari_ the reason for this is obvious.
[14:34] <atari_> now you know what for i want screenlets ;)
[14:35] <judgen> yeah
[14:35] <judgen> i want a 1gbit wireless switch =P
[14:35] <judgen> that would be awsome
[14:35] <atari_> well... do have post-it's on your desk?
[14:36] <judgen> nope i want my desk to be completley clean and everything sorted in my cabinet alpabetically.
[14:36] <atari_> so then... get yourself a post-it
[14:37] <atari_> thats the first part of the job ;)
[14:37] <judgen> post-it.. do you mean the small yellow sticky paper bits that falls off all the time?
[14:37] <atari_> jep
[14:37] <judgen> useless product
[14:38] <atari_> just wait until i gave you my 4 point instructions... :P
[14:38] <judgen> i much rather prefer a paperclip.
[14:38] <atari_> they're _very_ useful
[14:38] <judgen> ok
[14:38] <Sunsh1ne> what filesystem would be preferred to use for my xubuntu setup under vmware? does the install give me options?
[14:38] <Sunsh1ne> reiferfs is best right?
[14:38] <atari_> well. a paperclip will not work in thie case
[14:38] <TheSheep> ext3 is the recommended filesystem everywhere, afair
[14:38] <TheSheep> ext4 in 9.04
[14:38] <atari_> i'd say ext3 too
[14:39] <Sunsh1ne> doesnt reiserfs perform nbetter?
[14:39] <Sunsh1ne> 9.04 ? thats not out is it?
[14:39] <atari_> 9=year, 04=month
[14:39] <judgen> Sunsh1ne default would be ext3. and Its very well tested and fast. Ext4 is indeed faster than ext3 but is a little less tested. xfs is very fast but does not support booting with grub. and reiserfs does not fragment nearly as much as the others and is the fastest when writing certain filesizes. ...your pick.
[14:40] <Sunsh1ne> less fragmentation is prob important under vmware
[14:40] <judgen> reiserfs and ext4 is also journaled.
[14:40] <judgen> Sunsh1ne maybe.
[14:40] <TheSheep> ext3 is journaled too
[14:41] <judgen> Sunsh1ne what is your host os?
[14:41] <atari_> depends whether its an image or a partition
[14:41] <judgen> TheSheep yes but optional.
[14:41] <Sunsh1ne> ext4 is not generally "better"than reiser?
[14:41] <TheSheep> judgen: non-journaled ext3 is called ext2 :)
[14:41] <Sunsh1ne> host os is vista ultimate 64 bit
[14:41] <atari_> welll. in this case i dont think it'll make a difference...
[14:41] <TheSheep> Sunsh1ne: none of them is better in general, they are all different in various ways
[14:42] <judgen> Sunsh1ne resierfs is basicly dead nowdays. As the company that made it folded after its owner got convicted for mudering his wife.
[14:42] <judgen> there is a little activity on resier4 though.
[14:42] <Sunsh1ne> judgen: yeah i have read something about that...incredible story
[14:42] <TheSheep> xfs is sun's, right?
[14:42] <judgen> isnt it SGI?
[14:42] <judgen> from irix?
[14:43] <judgen> zfs is from sun
[14:43] <Sunsh1ne> reiser being nearly "dead"prob suggest i should use ext4? would ext4 be second best fragmentationwise?
[14:43] <Sunsh1ne> what is grub? boot mananger? do i miss something when not being able to use that?
[14:44] <judgen> Sunsh1ne depends.. if you like lilo its not a problem.
[14:44] <Sunsh1ne> dunno ifi like that compared to grub ;-)
[14:44] <Sunsh1ne> i've used lilo years ago
[14:44] <Sunsh1ne> nevr used or seen grub
[14:44] <judgen> Sunsh1ne its the bootloader
[14:44] <ball> I'm cold
[14:44] <ball> ridiculously cold.
[14:44] <Sunsh1ne> reiser being nearly "dead"prob suggest i should use ext4? would ext4 be second best fragmentationwise?
[14:45] <TheSheep> grub is a little 'smarter', letting you to edit the configuration on the fly before booting
[14:45] <judgen> Sunsh1ne grub has its config nicely available in /boot/grub/
[14:45] <TheSheep> that's handy when you break you boot config
[14:45] <judgen> Sunsh1ne also supports skinning nad such
[14:45] <Sunsh1ne> ok that sounds like th ebetter one then
[14:45] <TheSheep> judgen: lilo has skinning too
[14:45] <Sunsh1ne> but i guess i could live without it
[14:45] <atari_> ball: ask judgen whether he could give you some post-it... so you could make a fire :P
[14:45] <judgen> TheSheep oh yeah... ive never bothered though.
[14:45] <TheSheep> most parts of linux are like that :)
[14:46] <Sunsh1ne> reiser being nearly "dead"prob suggest i should use ext4? would ext4 be second best fragmentationwise?
[14:46] <ball> atari_: I should just hook up my Athlon 64 chip, that'd do it.  Are you 8-bit or ST btw?
[14:46] <judgen> Sunsh1ne as the newest official version of xubuntu does not have ext4 at the installer stage yet. i dont think that you can pick it.
[14:47] <atari_> ball: sorry... fully colorized :P
[14:47] <judgen> would need 9.04 for that i guess.
[14:47] <ball> atari_: rainbow TOS?
[14:47] <judgen> FeeMiNT ftw! =)
[14:47] <judgen> FreeMiNT
[14:48]  * ball used to like MiNT
[14:48] <ball> Need an old version of TOSwin though.
[14:48] <Sunsh1ne> ok judgen
[14:48] <judgen> Meh im actually more into amigas than atari.
[14:48] <Sunsh1ne> xfs is bad for fragementation?
[14:48] <ball> judgen: I had A500, A600, A1200, A1500 (not necessarily in that order ;-)
[14:48] <judgen> Sunsh1ne not really.
[14:48] <atari_> ball: no. more like random ;)
[14:49] <judgen> ball a1500?? does not exist afaik-
[14:49] <ball> judgen: in Europe it did.  It was an A2000 with no internal hard disk.
[14:49] <judgen> Ive owned all amigas except the 2000 wich was rediculously expensive
[14:49] <Sunsh1ne> judgen: you specifically mentioned reiserfs being "good" against fragmentation..all the others are about the same fragementationwise?
[14:49] <judgen> ball i live in europe... ive never heard of it.
[14:50] <judgen> ball the 1200 didnt have internal disk either.
[14:50] <ball> judgen: that's okay.  I had one though... probably still do at my parents house.
[14:50] <Sunsh1ne> i've had a 500 200 and 1200 ;-)
[14:50] <ball> judgen: my A1200 did... 2.5"
[14:50] <ball> ...and my A600
[14:50] <judgen> are you sure it was not just a 1000 with zorro upgrade? the 2000 is basicly the same chip...
[14:50] <ball> A1000 and A2000 are very different.  I'm sure.
[14:50] <Sunsh1ne> judgen: you specifically mentioned reiserfs being "good" against fragmentation..all the others are about the same fragementationwise?
[14:50] <judgen> ball no it didnt. The 1200 is built into the keyboard.
[14:51] <judgen> Sunsh1ne pretty much.
[14:51] <ball> judgen: yes, it did!
[14:51] <judgen> ball hmm not mine.
[14:51] <ball> judgen: you could buy them without, but that's inadviseable.
[14:52] <judgen> ball oh i see the 1500 now the 1500 was sold up here as 2000SE
[14:52] <judgen> as it had two floppy drives.
[14:52] <ball> judgen: where are you?
[14:52] <judgen> sweden
[14:52] <judgen> it only had 1mb ram
[14:52] <Sunsh1ne> what is journaling again? what will i be missing when using a filesystem without journaling?
[14:53] <judgen> didnt own one though
[14:53] <judgen> ball http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/a1200.html
[14:53] <judgen> there is no hdd in those
[14:54] <judgen> you could buy an expansion package though.
[14:54] <ball> judgen: my A1200 had a 2.5" hard disk.
[14:54] <ball> as did my A600
[14:54] <judgen> not internaly i assure you.
[14:54] <Sunsh1ne> judgen could you tell me? ;-)
[14:55] <ball> judgen: you are mistaken.
[14:55] <Sunsh1ne> 2.5 inch fitted within 1200 if my memory doesnt decieve me
[14:55] <judgen> Sunsh1ne its basicly this. if you shut down the computer like with power outage, journaling will not buts up as much as non journaled systems.
[14:55] <Sunsh1ne> i had a 3.5 outside it though
[14:55] <ball> Sunsh1ne: it did, provided you had the right bracket.
[14:56] <Sunsh1ne> ok thanks judgen
[14:56] <judgen> ball i see that you are correct about the disks though.
[14:57] <judgen> according to amiga history and others the ones that came with disk installed at purchase was very rare though.
[14:57] <judgen> most got installed afterwards.
[14:57] <ball> judgen: not in my country.
[14:57] <judgen> ball guessing germany
[14:57] <ball> If you ordered it without the hard disk you didn't get the bracket.
[14:57] <ball> judgen: I'm from Britain.
[14:57] <judgen> amiga was freakin huge in germany =)
[14:58] <Sunsh1ne> yeah..it was biggest in germany
[14:58] <judgen> still is i guess.
[14:58] <Sunsh1ne> i've been the amiga world there one time
[14:58] <Sunsh1ne> i'm dutch
[14:58] <ball> Amiga and Atari were taken seriously as business machines in Germany from what I remember.
[14:58] <judgen> Hyperion is germans right?
[14:59] <judgen> but the new amiga computer (SAM440) are made in germany designed in italy by acube afaik.
[14:59] <judgen> 667mhz ppc =P
[15:00] <judgen> wow theyve made another version. with 3 pci slots!
[15:00] <judgen> wawsome
[15:00] <ball> Is it in a Walker case? :-)
[15:00] <judgen> no case on the pictures.
[15:00] <judgen> and it has s-ata
[15:00] <judgen> http://www.sam440.com/eng/sam440ep-flex.html
[15:01] <ball> That's insanely expensive though.
[15:01] <judgen> ball indeed'
[15:01] <judgen> and amigaos4 will set you back another 99eur i think
[15:02] <ball> Does OS 4.x require PPC?
[15:02] <judgen> ball yes
[15:02] <judgen> ball either cyberstorm or the one from phase-5
[15:03] <judgen> or the acube motherboard found on the link i posted
[15:03] <judgen> and the amigaone pegaos ppc, wich is a bad board. Loads of bad capacitors..
[15:03] <judgen> other than that it runs on nothing.
[15:06] <judgen> basicly four computers able to run it. a1200/a3000+ppc board with 200mhz+, pegasosppc and sam440.
[15:06] <judgen> cant be a huge market =P
[15:07] <judgen> the people on safir is up the rage though.
[15:07] <ball> oooh... I found a US source of A1200s!
[15:09] <ball> US$ 136 sans PSU
[15:09] <ball> ...but with OS 3.1
[15:10] <ball> brb
[15:25] <ball> I wish I had an easy way to get Xubuntu on this machine.
[15:31] <judgen> ball i saw a amiga 3000 with mediator board and phase-5 ppc board (shark i think) 128mb ram 120gb disk voodoo5 5000 and soundblaster live.
[15:32] <judgen> all in tower case.
[15:32] <judgen> on ebay
[15:35]  * ball nods
[15:35] <ball> we should probably move this to #amiga (or somewhere)
[15:35]  * TheSheep nods
[15:36] <ball> I wonder why this stupid box won't boot from USB
[15:36] <TheSheep> there are programs to force it to do it
[15:37] <ball> TheSheep: I don't see how that would work.
[15:39] <ball> Out of interest, is it possible to get a Xubuntu install image into a USB flash stick, for installation on workstations that can boot from USB, but that lack optical drives?
[15:42] <TheSheep> yes
[15:42] <TheSheep> !install
[15:45] <ball> That looks helpful, thanks.
[15:49] <Jynks> hey guys
[15:49] <ball> hello Jynks
[15:49] <Jynks> How would i remove the "key ring" password request? When i boot .. i need to enter password to "acess keyring" to allow the wireless to conenct
[15:49] <Jynks> hi ball
[17:05] <forces> saluton
[17:06] <TheSheep> !fr
[17:08] <ball> I should put the kettle on.
[17:11] <ball> oh why is MS Windows such a bag of poop.  Format the stupid disk already!!
[17:11] <TheSheep> !windows
[17:15]  * ball nods
[17:15] <ball> I'm trying to use it to prepare a Xubuntu machine though.
[17:22] <slow-motion> hi
[17:27] <ball> hello slow-motion
[17:27] <slow-motion> hi ball
[17:28] <ball> Ah that's better, UNetbootin seems to be doing its thing now.
[17:30] <judgen> bk
[17:30] <judgen> ball was it an expensive bag of poop?
[17:33] <ball> Not yet, but it probably will be.
[17:33] <ball> I have considered buying MS Windows Vista for Mrs. ball's PC, but really I should just buy her a new computer.
[17:33] <ball> Need to find a job first though.
[17:38] <jarnos> Xorg.0.log tells "(WW) MGA(0): Direct rendering disabled", but glxinfo tells "direct rendering: Yes". What is wrong?
[17:48] <Mimi> Hey, I'm following a arch guide, and it tells to sync a package using pacman (# pacman --sync xvkbd) .... how do I do this in Ubuntu? Thanks
[18:31] <tingle> hi at this moment i cant play dvds on xubuntu whit vlc could anyone help out?
[18:32] <tingle> libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fd0000. Regions: 2
[18:46] <Riotta> tingle I recommend using xine for dvd's it's best for playing that media
[18:56] <heapy> heya!
[18:57] <heapy> this is a bit of a silly question, but how do i find out weather im running 32bit or 64bit ubuntu right now? - i have totally lost track of what versions i have installed
[18:58] <charlie-tca> uname -a  in a terminal
[18:58] <heapy> i686, i assume thats 64bit?
[18:58] <charlie-tca> x86_64 is 64 bit and i686 is 32 bit
[18:58] <heapy> oh fantastic, 32bit then
[18:58] <Markopotomus> Is there a way to reset all the pannels and bars? They've gone all wierd.
[18:59] <heapy> thanks charlie-tca
[18:59] <charlie-tca> you're welcome
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Markopotomus: wierd how?
[19:00] <Markopotomus> charlie-tca: Well first of all they disapeared. I havent used this computer for a while so I cant quite remember how it happened. I tried to get them back and succeeded in get the Xfce pannel back but it was blank so I had to manually replace all the icons. It's still a mess.
[19:00] <Markopotomus> I'd rather have the default layout back.
[19:03] <heapy> bbs
[19:03] <charlie-tca> okay, we can try this in a terminal:
[19:03] <charlie-tca> If you are using Xfce 4.4, type 'xfce4-panel -x' to cause the panel to exit.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> do not close the terminal
[19:04] <Markopotomus> charlie-tca: righto, here goes
[19:04] <charlie-tca> rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/panel/
[19:04] <Markopotomus> charlie-tca: Yep, it's all gone.
[19:04] <charlie-tca> This deletes the information stored for the panels
[19:05] <Markopotomus> charlie-tca: Hokiee.
[19:05]  * Markopotomus has done so
[19:05] <charlie-tca> cp -r etc/xdg/xfce4/panel ~/.config/xfce4/
[19:05] <charlie-tca> xfce4-panel &
[19:05] <charlie-tca> that should restore them
[19:06] <Markopotomus> cannot stat `etc/xdg/xfce4/panel': No such file or directory
[19:07] <charlie-tca> okay...
[19:07] <charlie-tca> use  xfce4-panel
[19:07] <Markopotomus> however, ﻿"xfce4-panel &" seems to have aworked :)
[19:07] <charlie-tca> okay. That should do it, then
[19:07] <Markopotomus> Thank you!
[19:08] <charlie-tca> you are welcome!
[19:08] <Markopotomus> awar! problem though!
[19:09] <charlie-tca> what?
[19:09] <Markopotomus> I closed the terminal and everything else disapeared too :s
[19:09] <charlie-tca> That's not so good
[19:09] <charlie-tca> alt+f2
[19:10] <charlie-tca> xfce4-panel
[19:10] <Markopotomus> right
[19:10] <charlie-tca> That should work. notice: not in terminal now
[19:10] <Markopotomus> nopes! Gone again
[19:11] <Markopotomus> It opens a terminal as well as the pannels. Closing the terminals closes everything else too
[19:11] <Markopotomus> oooh
[19:11]  * Markopotomus unticks run in terminal and it worked.
[19:11] <Markopotomus> Ok, working now. Thanks, charlie-tca!
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Whew! scared me for a minute
[19:12] <Markopotomus> hehe. Just me being dumb ;)
[19:12] <Markopotomus> Right. Great. Everything back as it should be.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> back to the logs; Did I go away for a second?
[19:15] <Markopotomus> Yes, between 19:10:45 and 19:10:51 by my time.
[19:15] <charlie-tca> thanks. Jaunty is giving me some issues
[19:30] <jarnos> Can someone tell why glxinfo prints "Direct Rendering: yes" even if Xorg.0.log is like this: http://pastebin.com/d221f13f7
[19:33] <charlie-tca> I don't think the Matrox card accepts the command. Mine didn't
[20:48] <heapy> heya, can some kind soul help me get my multimedia sorted? im trying to play a wma, well i really need to stream a windows file format but it doesnt like it. just dloaded a .wma, and the vid is scrambled. i have w32codecs installed whats the next step ?
[20:50] <neozen> which player are you using?
[20:50] <neozen> mplayer tends to work quite well for me on all but some DVDs...
[20:51] <neozen> in which case... vlc fits the bill quite well
[20:51] <heapy> im using vlc m8
[20:51] <neozen> ..........hmmmmmmmmmm
[20:51] <neozen> heapy: your windows media files have drm?
[20:52] <heapy> im not sure m8, i dloaded the .wma from a football website, i really wanted the stream but it wouldnt load so i saved it
[20:52] <neozen> I'd recommend trying to start your player from a terminal window like: vlc /path/to/file
[20:53] <neozen> if vlc is spitting out error messages ... you'll see them in the terminal u used to start vlc
[20:53] <heapy> im pretty sure i have been able in the past to stream from the website, but not now i cant remember what i did differently!
[20:53] <heapy> ok i will try that.............
[20:53] <neozen> heapy: at a guess... I'd say you had a firefox plugin installed
[20:54] <neozen> heapy: there should be one which integrates vlc with firefox for playing media streams inside firefox
[20:54] <neozen> there we are.... mozilla-plugin-vlc
[20:55] <neozen> heapy: install that... and it SHOULD stream .. unless the site is doing some thing strange...
[20:56] <heapy> now do i go about playing this saved file tho lad, i just tried playing it again from terminal vlc -v . the vid is completely scrambled and pumping out the craziest messages i have ever seen lol
[20:56] <neozen> hmmm.... borked up video w/ drm?
[20:56] <neozen> perhaps they've implemented it since the last time you hit the site
[20:57] <neozen> does file think its actually a wmv?
[20:57] <neozen> heapy: in terminal: file /path/to/file
[20:57] <heapy> ch01_0809_efc_h_pl_highlights_high.wmv
[20:58] <neozen> heapy.... type the following in a terminal: file /path/to/actual/file
[21:00] <neozen> heapy: mind trying to play a different WMV?
[21:00] <heapy> neozen:
[21:00] <heapy> ch01_0809_efc_h_pl_highlights_high.wmv: Microsoft ASF
[21:00] <neozen> heapy: k
[21:01] <neozen> heapy: what messages is it spitting out?
[21:01] <neozen> heapy: if there's more then a line... use a pastebin
[21:01] <heapy> shall i type vlc -v /path to file?
[21:02] <neozen> sure
[21:03] <heapy> neozen: i just had to pause the vid, its pumping out tons of information
[21:03] <neozen> heapy: what KIND
[21:03] <heapy> where shall i paste a section?
[21:04] <neozen> !pastebin
[21:04] <neozen> there plz
[21:05] <neozen> first 100 lines of output is probably sufficient
[21:05] <heapy> hows that neozen lad
[21:05] <heapy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107466/
[21:07] <neozen> looks like a corrupted asf
[21:08] <neozen> heapy: try some other wmv
[21:08] <heapy> woah just had a crash :(
[21:08] <heapy> did u get the pastebin before i left?
[21:08] <neozen> heapy: yep
[21:09] <neozen> heapy: got it just fine
[21:09] <heapy> just had a system lockup (again) im gutted
[21:09] <neozen> heapy: heh... yeah... looks like your vid is ticking off vlc
[21:09] <heapy> heh
[21:10] <neozen> heapy: try a diff video
[21:10] <neozen> heapy: site might be spitting out some new-fangled WMV that vlc can't play yet
[21:10] <heapy> i can play encrypted dvd's, but i dont have another wma to try :(
[21:10] <neozen> heh... hit amazon and try to play their samples of a cd
[21:11] <heapy> ok
[21:16] <heapy> cant find a wma to play only mp3s
[21:24] <heapy> neozen: i just tried that file with totem, its searched for a codec and found two : gstreamer ffmpeg and gstreamer extra plugins.... worth a stab?
[21:34] <heapy> bbs
[21:56] <neozen> heapy: perhaps.... but... usually vlc will play damn near anything playable
[23:23] <christian> im here?
[23:23] <christian> ping me
[23:24] <charlie-tca> christian: hello
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> !ping
[23:25] <christian> hi
[23:25] <christian> that was my first time using irc
[23:25] <christian> and i needed to know taht i made it right
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> congratulations! :D
[23:25] <charlie-tca> you did it!
[23:26] <christian> lol
[23:26] <christian> thanks
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> one thing you might want to check out is the !guidelines
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> !guidelines | christian
[23:28] <christian> ok thanks i'll check them out
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> kinda explains how things works around here...
[23:29] <christian> ok btw im new in xubuntu (one month) but i've learnt a lot in this month so if anyone nedds some help i'd help gladly
[23:29] <Odd-rationale> cool!
[23:30] <christian> em see you later guys, going to have dinner