[00:11]  * ScottK wonders if someone who actually knows something about QT might look at Bug #128538
[00:16] <Riddell> ScottK: those are true, don't have any ideas on what to do about it though :(
[00:16] <ScottK> OK.
[01:48] <jjesse> evenint
[01:49] <ScottK> New data type?
[01:49] <ScottK> Goes with oddint?
[01:49] <ScottK> ;-)
[01:53] <seele> Sput: doh, for some reason my channel didn't light up when you said my name
[02:48] <EagleScreen> incorrect working of kpackagekit/policykit-kde
[02:48] <EagleScreen> i think there is a problem with one of them
[02:50] <ScottK> EagleScreen: They were just uploaded today, so likely.  Please file bugs.
[02:50] <EagleScreen> kpackagekit call policykit-kde to autenticate for installing packages, but kpackagekit gives you autentication error before you type password in policykit-kde dialog
[02:52] <EagleScreen> will jaunty use kpackagekit as its default package manager?
[02:53] <ScottK> That's the plan.
[02:54] <EagleScreen> i hope it them to be enough mature
[02:54] <EagleScreen> i hope for it to be enough mature, sorry
[03:04] <vorian> ScottK: I am a bit confused about something with the security update.  The version that is in intrepid is 2.6 ( i saw that 2.8.1 was backported today ) 2.8.0 does not exist in intrepid
[03:05] <vorian> or am I missing something?
[03:05] <vorian> (which could be the case due to lack of sleep and food)
[03:17] <vorian> anyone here running jaunty with an amd64? (that could test someting)
[03:17] <vorian> confrim, actually
[03:18] <seele> i thought jaunty on amd64 was broken?
[03:18] <vorian> really?
[03:18] <seele> i thought i saw someone say it yesterday but i could be wrong
[03:18] <vorian> works for me™
[03:19] <vorian> someone reported a segfault bug on kdenlive that i cannot reproduce
[03:22] <EagleScreen> i have filed bug LP #319419
[03:22] <EagleScreen> !bug 319419
[03:23] <EagleScreen> sorry I typed it wrongly
[03:24] <EagleScreen> LP #319459
[03:35] <ScottK> vorian: What's the question?
[03:35] <ScottK> The patch needs to be integrated into a security upload for 2.6
[03:35] <ScottK> Fixing it in backports doesn't count.
[03:36] <vorian> i understand, for some reason i was thinking you waned me to patch the 2.8.0 version
[03:36] <ScottK> no.
[03:37] <ScottK> Got it straight now then, I guess
[03:37] <vorian> Yes, thanks
[03:48] <vorian> ScottK: is the t-test125 relevant to this version?
[03:48] <ScottK> The test that's in the patch tests for the issue we're fixing.
[03:48] <vorian> okie
[04:37] <vorian> ScottK: i just sent you ane email
[04:37] <vorian> an*
[04:37] <vorian> pffft
[04:37]  * ScottK looks
[04:39] <ScottK> vorian: Looks like you've been greylisted.  Any idea how long until your MTA retries?
[04:40] <vorian> nope, it's gmail
[06:07] <freeflying> The Akonadi control process is not registered at D-Bus which typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during startup.
[06:08] <freeflying> I still have this error message in jaunty, anyone dose?
[09:13] <Lure_> can somebody try to open this Qt book in PDF with okular: http://www.qtrac.eu/C++-GUI-Programming-with-Qt-4-1st-ed.zip
[09:13] <Lure_> it coredumps for me :-(
[09:14] <Tm_T> I'll try
[09:14] <Arby> Lure_: works  fine here
[09:14] <Lure_> Arby: intrepid or jaunty? kde 4.2/rc?
[09:15] <Arby> Lure_: okular 0.7.2, KDE4.1.2
[09:16] <Tm_T> Arby: wanha!
[09:16] <Arby> hardy actually
[09:16] <Lure> Arby: this is so last year ;-)
[09:16] <Lure> Arby: but thanks for testing
[09:16] <Arby> Lure: you didn't ask that, you asked if it works :)
[09:17] <Lure> Arby: true, and I want to know if older versions work fine
[09:17] <Tm_T> Lure: works here
[09:17] <Lure> Arby: so that I can submit proper bug report
[09:17] <Lure> Tm_T: what do you have?
[09:17] <Arby> THis is my work PC I'm just about to run the upgrade since I have the office to myself today
[09:17] <Tm_T> Lure: Intrepid, with KDE 4.2.60-svn
[09:17] <Lure> Tm_T: I am actually suspecting popler library from jaunty...
[09:18] <Lure> Tm_T: it says "Error: Illegal annotation destination
[09:18] <Lure> then coredump
[09:18] <Tm_T> Lure: could be
[09:18] <Tm_T> Lure: 64bit?
[09:18] <Lure> Tm_T: yes
[09:18] <Tm_T> hmm, 32bit here
[09:18] <Tm_T> so dunno if that makes difference too
[09:20] <Lure> Tm_T: poppler is much newer in jaunty (0.8.7 vs. 0.10.3)
[09:20] <Lure> any jaunty user around?
[09:21] <freeflying> Lure: yes
[09:22] <Lure> freeflying: cay you try open this PDF with okular: http://www.qtrac.eu/C++-GUI-Programming-with-Qt-4-1st-ed.zip
[09:22] <freeflying> Lure: can not donwload :)
[09:22] <Lure> freeflying: ups, I do not think 50MB is suitable for e-mailing too ;-)
[09:23] <freeflying> Lure: get it via a server in french, need some time
[09:24] <freeflying> s/frecn/france
[09:24] <Tm_T> freeflying: hmm, firewall again?
[09:25] <freeflying> Tm_T: seems not gfwed :)
[09:25] <Tm_T> good
[09:26] <freeflying> got the ip address resolved
[09:28] <freeflying> Lure: got the same error
[09:28] <Lure> freeflying: thanks for testing
[09:28] <Lure> it looks like it is poppler bug
[09:29] <Lure> will submit it to b.fd.o
[09:38] <Lure> bug submited: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19669
[09:39] <Lure> thanks everyone for testing
[09:43] <freeflying> Lure: its not because of the size of PDF file
[09:44] <freeflying> just opened a 81M pdf, works fine
[09:44] <Lure> freeflying: yes, it looks like it has some annotations that causes crash (from stack trace)
[09:45] <Lure> freeflying: and it is clear regression, so I hope it will get adequate attention
[09:45] <freeflying> :)
[09:47]  * Lure wants to read Qt PDT books ;-)
[09:52] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:54] <Lure> hi To
[09:55] <Lure> ups, he left before my Tab key cathed him ;-)
[10:01] <jussi01> is the kdesvn broke?
[10:01] <jussi01> jussi@aaaa:~/networkmanager$ svn up
[10:01] <jussi01> svn: Can't connect to host 'anonsvn.kde.org': Connection refused
[10:06] <a|wen> jussi01: think i saw something on the kde planet about a mirror server being down
[10:06] <jussi01> a|wen: ahh, thanks
[10:07] <a|wen> jussi01: http://people.fruitsalad.org/adridg/bobulate/index.php?/archives/697-AnonSVN-down.html
[10:07] <jussi01> a|wen: thanks
[10:08] <a|wen> np
[10:13] <Tm_T> jussi01: yes anonsvn is down, and its mirrors too
[10:13] <Tm_T> jussi01: so without account no svn
[10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: pitti is looking for new archive admins
[10:59] <Tonio_> hum... plasmoid-network-manager stoped working for me :)
[10:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: not replacing knetworkmanager was the good decision... it seems we'll have to work a bit for the plasma applet to work right...
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I may contact lubo to get a few informations about his plans
[11:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: dood, kpackagekit worked perfectly
[11:02] <jussi01> hi Tonio_
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: great :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: did packagekit got fixed yesterday ?
[11:03] <Riddell> dunno, but it works this morning
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: good :)
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: well no change on my side :) doesn't work
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's packagekit issue
[11:05] <Riddell> policykit-kde doesn't work though
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: what problem do you have with it ? authentication or set permissions ?
[11:07] <mrvanes> Riddell: any progress on kopete/msn issue? I managed to login to msn exactly once, yesterday. After that, no luck...
[11:07] <Tonio_> hey jussi01
[11:08] <Tonio_> mrvanes: same with me :)
[11:09]  * mrvanes shakes hands ;)
[11:10] <mrvanes> Tonio_: you aware of hal --configure problems?
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: since kpackagekit is broken for me, I can't test the authentication part.... but the policykit-kde kcm module lets me set permissions without problems
[11:10] <Tonio_> mrvanes: not that I know of.... what's the point ?
[11:10] <mrvanes> # dpkg --configure hal
[11:10] <mrvanes> Setting up hal (0.5.12~rc1+git20090120-0ubuntu1) ...
[11:10] <mrvanes>  * Reloading system message bus config...                                                                                                                 [ OK ]
[11:10] <mrvanes>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
[11:10] <mrvanes> dpkg: error processing hal (--configure):
[11:10] <mrvanes>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:11] <mrvanes> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:11] <mrvanes>  hal
[11:11] <Tonio_> ouch... that's bad :)
[11:11] <Tonio_> mrvanes: better ask the maintainer, since a postinst script may be broken
[11:11] <mrvanes> but hal runs... nevertheless
[11:11] <mrvanes> ok, is (s)he around here?
[11:11] <Tonio_> mrvanes: yeah, that's juste the "configure" step of dpkg that causes problems, but the files are installed...
[11:12] <Tonio_> mrvanes: last uploader is pitty
[11:12] <Tonio_> pitti, sorry
[11:13] <mrvanes> hmm... no pitti around... will mail then
[11:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: removed policykit-gnome, added policykit-kde, rebooted, ran kpackagekit and now it installs without asking anything
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: look at the permissions....
[11:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh hmm, it fails to authenticate first time but second time I try it works without popping up the dialogue
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: policykit can be made to ask for the password or not
[11:15] <Tonio_> yeah, I have the same thing
[11:15] <Tonio_> error and then working
[11:15] <Riddell> ah
[11:15] <Tonio_> but it's "mostly" working
[11:15] <Riddell> it pops up the "authentication failed" first
[11:16] <Riddell> then on top of that the policykit dialogue appears
[11:16] <Tonio_> yup, that's exactly what I got when kpackagekit was working for me :)
[11:16] <Riddell> so it thinks it has failed before it even asks for the password
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to say...
[11:17] <Riddell> but as you say "mostly" working
[11:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: we should write the MIRs
[11:17] <Tonio_> yep, that can be fixed, for sure...
[11:17] <Riddell> those things take so long to process we need to start ASAP
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can write the MIRs, so for kpackagekit, libpackagekit-qt, and policykit, right ?
[11:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[11:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh well, and package kit generally
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm sure we can get some help for the little bugs from upstream, since we'll be the first debian based distro using them :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably wait for 4.2 to be release before pinging them
[11:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I may ping glatzor or asac for this part ;)
[11:20] <Riddell> asac?
[11:20] <Riddell> glatzor is your man
[11:20] <Riddell> but just write them and check with glatzor before poking the MIR people
[11:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum asac worked on the packaging afaics :) at least, last changelog output is from him :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll see with glatzor.... starting writting them today
[11:21] <Riddell> thanks
[11:21] <Tonio_> you're welcome :)
[11:21]  * Tonio_ hopes the plasmoid for network-manager will be ready for jaunty.... sounds like won't happen...
[11:25] <xerosis> on the other hand Tonio_, it works better for me than knetworkmanager did, that's with WPA too
[11:29] <Tonio_> xerosis: yeah, but that's very random depending the people...
[11:29] <Tonio_> xerosis: worked for me for 3 days, and then toped working without any reason or any change...
[11:31]  * Riddell uploads mysql 5.0
[11:41] <mrvanes> Tonio: managed to trace configure errror back to hald crashing:
[11:41] <mrvanes> hald[15114]: segfault at 20 ip 000000000042f63b sp 00007fffe8a23040 error 4 in hald[400000+57000]
[11:41] <mrvanes> hal start doesn't complain, but it doesn't run
[11:42] <mrvanes> so --configure was right after all!
[11:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/amarok-nightly-kdelibs_20090120+svn914292-0neon1_i386.deb : trying to overwrite `/opt/amarok-nightly/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindPulseAudio.cmake', which is also in package amarok-nightly-kdebase
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPolicykit-KDE
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: any comments ? so that I can copycat for the other ones :)
[11:56] <Riddell> looking
[11:59] <Riddell> "No binaries running as root or suid/sgid." well the whole point is that it does run stuff as root
[12:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: missing Upstream bug tracke
[12:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: missing Upstream bug tracker
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: missing sections 7 to 10 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTemplate
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the root stuff is done within policykit which is already in main...
[12:21] <Riddell> right enough
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPolicykit-KDE
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: if that's okay for you, then I'll make the other ones toonight probably, as I have to go back to work right now :)
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: "Upstream BTS" should point to a more useful URL
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum....
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: like https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=policykit-kde
[12:30] <Tonio_> ?
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: policykit-kde isn't actually registered in bugs.kde.org
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my point ;)
[12:30] <Riddell> so quite possibly there isn't a bug tracker
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: well there is a bug already, look at my url
[12:31] <Riddell> that's dolphin
[12:31] <Tonio_> I know ;)
[12:31] <Tonio_> there is no policykit-kde product...
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: what to do in that case ?
[12:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: "No upstream bug tracker known"
[12:36] <Riddell> glatzor: ping, we want to write MIRs for packagekit
[12:36] <Riddell> to get kpackagekit in
[12:36] <glatzor> Riddell, great
[12:37] <glatzor> Riddell, I uploaded 0.3.13 to the ppa yesterday
[12:37] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll do the kpackagekit and libpackagekit-qt toonight...
[12:37] <glatzor> Riddell, I would suggest not switching to the 0.4 branch for jaunty.
[12:38] <glatzor> Tonio_, libpackagekit-qt is part of PackageKit
[12:38] <Riddell> glatzor: right, stick with what works :)
[12:39] <Tonio_> glatzor: well not the same source package btw ;)
[12:39] <glatzor> Riddell, Tonio_ the Fedora release is a little bit later and there have been some late changes in previous cycles.
[12:39] <glatzor> Tonio_, you are wrong.
[12:40] <Tonio_> glatzor: hu ? well not for our archives at least...
[12:40] <Tonio_> glatzor: apt-cache show libpackagekit-qt2
[12:40] <Tonio_> glatzor: unless I'm missing something...
[12:40] <glatzor> Tonio_, libpackagekit-qt11 and libpackagekit-qt-dev are binary packages of my packagekit source package
[12:41] <Tonio_> glatzor: hum then we have a problem :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: :)
[12:41] <Riddell> W: Unable to locate package libpackagekit-qt11
[12:42] <Tonio_> glatzor: I guess you're taling about your ppa right ?
[12:42] <Tonio_> glatzor: atm, kpackagekit usually shipped with a libpackagekit-qt tarball, so we packaged it along with it...
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: if it's been directly in packagekit source package, maybe we should consider removing our package from the archives no ?
[12:45] <Riddell> the packagekit archive confuses me
[12:45] <Riddell> what are the git repositories and which one has libpackagekit-qt?
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I usually get libpackagekit from git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/packagekit/PackageKit-Qt
[12:48] <Tonio_> glatzor: ?
[12:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dpkg --i -force-overwrite
[12:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i know ;-)   just wanted to let you know
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it's not like I would do anything about it :P
[12:49] <glatzor> Riddell, Tonio_ This repository seems to be abandoned.
[12:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: noted ;-)
[12:50] <glatzor> Riddell, Tonio_ the qt part was merged some time ago into the main repository
[12:50] <Tonio_> glatzor: right, which is a good point in fact
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're the archive admin, and I have to go back to work, so I'm leaving you on that point :)
[12:51] <apachelogger> oha
[12:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you shoot nevi or something?
[12:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nevi?
[12:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: neversfelde
[12:52] <Nightrose> fwiw i didn't shoot anyone lately ;-)
[12:52] <Nightrose> not knowingly at least
[12:52] <apachelogger> I see
[12:52]  * apachelogger logs in to revu
[12:53] <glatzor> Tonio_, Riddell, the kpackagekit package in the ppa is already build against libpackagekit-qt-dev of packagekit
[12:53] <glatzor> Riddell, I add you to the packagekit team
[12:54] <Riddell> that's fine then, glatzor will upload the new packagekit at some point and it'll overwrite out libpackagekit-qt-dev
[12:54] <Tonio_> glatzor: may I susbscribe too please ? I'll probably mostly maintain and test the kpackagekit part :)
[12:54] <glatzor> Tonio_, what is your launchpad name?
[12:55] <Tonio_> glatzor: tonio
[12:55] <glatzor> Tonio_, bzr branch lp:~packagekit/packagekit/kpackagekit-jaunty
[12:56] <Tonio_> glatzor: thanks
[12:56] <glatzor> Tonio_, welcome ot ~packagekit
[12:56] <glatzor> to
[12:56] <Tonio_> glatzor: super thanks
[12:57] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll look at the branch and the packaging, then will update the package along with your next upload
[12:57] <Tonio_> glatzor: do you have kpackagekit packages on your ppa to ?
[12:57] <glatzor> Tonio_, right.
[12:58] <glatzor> Tonio_, I told you so yesterday :)
[12:58] <Tonio_> glatzor: oh right :) sorry
[13:02] <Tonio_> glatzor: there are a couple of interesting commits since your initial packaging on kde svn...
[13:02] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll give a test and eventually commit if all is fine...
[13:08] <apachelogger> Tonio_: didn't you package partitionmanager?
[13:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: nope, that's on my todo anyway ;)
[13:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but the priority is given to packagekit and so on atm :)
[13:09] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll be on my contrib day (aka paid to work on ubuntu ^^) on friday, so I may work on it then
[13:09] <apachelogger> Tonio_: already on revu it is
[13:10] <apachelogger> that is why I am wondering :)
[13:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well I'll just have to revu + fix ;)
[13:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sounds good :)
[13:10]  * apachelogger gives it a review
[13:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: looks like decent packaging actually
[13:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think it would be a good idea to apply for archive admin? ... since my spare time is rather limited these days
[13:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: not sure, I heard that only New queue is available through launchpad but New queue is a place where messing up can lead to serious trouble
[13:18] <apachelogger> well, it's not like I would mess things up, I just wouldn't get very much done ;-)
[13:18] <vorian> morn
[13:19] <jjesse> morning
[13:19]  * apachelogger got chewing gum stuck to his lips
[13:19] <apachelogger> now that must look weird
[13:19] <apachelogger> vore: hola
[13:19] <vorian> aloha!
[13:19] <apachelogger> jjesse: salut
[13:20] <vorian> i see we had something happen two hours ago
[13:20] <apachelogger> vorian: we had=
[13:20] <apachelogger> ?
[13:20]  * apachelogger is seriously distracted by that gum on his lips
[13:21] <vorian> haha
[13:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: just performed a couple of test...
[13:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: glatzor kpackaging is a more recent svn snapshot that mine...
[13:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just tested he ppa packages and it all works, very nicelly
[13:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should probably wait for those to reach the repos to write the MIRs right ?
[13:39] <Tonio_> glatzor: what are your plans for upload ?
[13:39] <Tonio_> glatzor: anf FYI the current kpackagekit svn snapshot ftbfs, I'll look at this
[13:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, don't wait to write the MIR, MIRs take bloody ages to get processed we need to start the process toot sweet
[13:41] <apachelogger> kde-nightly-kdeplasma-addons-dbg kde-nightly-kdesdk
[13:41] <apachelogger> kde-nightly-kdesdk-dbg kde-nightly-kdesupport
[13:41] <apachelogger> sry
[13:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: right so I'll do them toonight then, as promissed
[13:43] <Riddell> thanks
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: are there any plans on speeding up the MIR process?
[13:44]  * apachelogger also notes that kgrubeditor was demoted
[13:45] <seele> because it doesnt have a maintainer?
[13:45] <seele> or because it doesnt support grub2?
[13:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: there are some new members of ubuntu-mir, doesn't seem to have helped
[13:46] <apachelogger> because it doesn't integrate well with the system
[13:46] <apachelogger> or rather with the phony way config updates are implemented :P
[13:46] <seele> ah, i dont know anything about that, heh
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, there are some usability issues :)
[13:47]  * apachelogger didn't follow the discussion
[13:47] <Tonio_> like "the following packages will be removed", and you have to click the "install now" buton to apply :)
[13:47] <seele> Tonio_: kpackagekit?
[13:47] <apachelogger> but IIRC the reasons for demoting sounded a lot like workaround-our-broken-implementation
[13:47] <Tonio_> seele: yeah ;)
[13:47] <Tonio_> seele: it all works with the ppa version
[13:47] <seele> Tonio_: yeah.. colomar and i came up with a whole list of stuff.. and the maintainer doesnt want to maintain it
[13:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[13:48] <Tonio_> seele: that's bad..... really bad...
[13:48] <seele> apachelogger: big surprised
[13:48] <seele> Tonio_: yeah, so we have two broken choices. unmaintained crap adept or unmaintained less-crap but still crap kpackagekit
[13:48] <Tonio_> seele: what did the maintainer say then ? perfect like this ? :)
[13:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:49] <Tonio_> seele: well we can patch for the strings causing problem for example
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[13:49] <seele> Tonio_: no, that he didn't have time and he was more concerned with the backend than the front end
[13:49] <apachelogger> shall I write a ruby package manager :P
[13:49] <jjesse> Tonio_: read the email on the kubuntu-devel list
[13:49]  * seele will be back in 2 hours.. meeting time
[13:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we should dewatch arts
[13:49] <apachelogger> actually
[13:49] <jjesse> he thought the changes were only for kubuntu not kde as a whole
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can compile kdelibs4 without arts, can't we?
[13:49] <Tonio_> seele, jjesse: will read, thanks
[13:49]  * apachelogger thinks dropping arts from the archives might make sense
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, aRts is certifiably unmainatined and probably shouldn't be in main if at all possible
[13:51] <jjesse> Tonio_: i offered to work out a help manual and will work on that with the maintainer of kpackagekit
[13:51] <jjesse> which is more then i got in adept
[13:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be able to yes
[13:53] <apachelogger>   --without-arts          build without aRts default=no
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: giving it a try
[13:53] <Riddell> dunno if that'll need lots of other stuff to be recompiled
[13:53] <apachelogger>   nateon
[13:53] <apachelogger>   kvirc
[13:53] <apachelogger>   knights
[13:54] <apachelogger> other stuff that depends on arts
[13:54] <apachelogger> kvirc should be replaced with KDE 4 port I suppose
[13:56] <ScottK> rgreening was working on a kvirc svn snapshot
[13:56] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends libartsc0
[13:56] <Riddell> lots
[13:56] <ScottK> It seems reasonably usable to me.
[13:57] <apachelogger> true
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess we should rebuild all KDE's without arts and file bugs for the other packages
[13:59] <apachelogger> there isn't really a point in supporting arts considering we have no KDE 3 desktop anymore
[14:00] <Riddell> yep
[14:01]  * apachelogger thinks coordinating this would be a perfect minion job ... if we only had minions -.-
[14:01] <apachelogger> ah, right
[14:02] <apachelogger> Arby: ping
[14:02] <apachelogger> :P
[14:02]  * Arby looks nervous and checks the exits
[14:03] <Arby> apachelogger: pong
[14:03] <apachelogger> Arby: wanna coordinate the arts rebuilds?
[14:03] <Arby> I can try
[14:03] <apachelogger> setup a wiki page ... announce on the list ... get the packages assigned to somebody
[14:04] <Arby> give me the five minute summary of what needs to happen
[14:04] <Arby> besides that^^
[14:04] <Arby> I have to go in a sec
[14:04] <apachelogger> that is everything :P
[14:05] <apachelogger> Arby: just run apt-cache rdepends on the libarts* and arts* packages
[14:05] <apachelogger> create a wiki table of that for status and assignment tracking
[14:05] <apachelogger> then spread the word
[14:05] <Arby> and once the packages are assigned what do people need to do with them
[14:06] <apachelogger> Arby: make them build without arts
[14:06] <Arby> ok
[14:06] <Arby> why do I feel like that's harder than it sounds
[14:07] <Arby> what's the time frame for this?
[14:07] <apachelogger> 9.04
[14:07]  * apachelogger is tired of arts bugs
[14:07] <apachelogger> Arby: making them build without arts should  be a matter of removing libarts-dev as build-dep and tetsbuiildng
[14:08] <apachelogger> ...in some cases update .install files
[14:08]  * apachelogger eats his afternoon snack and watches kdelibs build
[14:09] <Arby> hmm, I suspect there will be many more questions but right now I need to go do work
[14:09] <Arby> back later
[14:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did I already like poke you with bug 257089
[14:15] <Nightrose> jep
[14:15] <Nightrose> and i pasted it in dev
[14:15] <apachelogger> and no one cared?
[14:15] <Nightrose> looks like it
[14:16]  * apachelogger wouldn't either :P
[14:16] <Nightrose> :P
[14:16] <apachelogger> I find that feature rather useless anyway
[14:17] <apachelogger> especiall with Amarok 2
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you testbuild mysql-5.1?
[14:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: I did with my patch, you said you were going to do more to it
[14:20] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: where did it install sql-bench to for you?
[14:21] <apachelogger> ends up in /usr here
[14:21] <apachelogger> makefile.in says: benchdir_root = $(prefix)
[14:22] <apachelogger> ah
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: nevermind, that also happened before our changes
[14:22] <apachelogger> good thing we don't use autotools
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes same here
[14:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2009-January/002575.html mentioned mysql
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/four.debdiff if you want to counter check
[14:27] <apachelogger> I basically just changed/removed some leftovers of usr/share/mysql and added the amarok-mysql conflicts/replaces
[14:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should add to Arby's task to check reverse-build-depends of any -dev packages arts provides.
[14:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: looks good other than whitespace changes
[14:30] <ScottK> Oddly enough when I was hunting down kdelibs for KDE3 stuff that helps.
[14:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: post it to the ubuntu-server list and ping zul and mathiaz
[14:31] <Arby> ScottK noted
[14:32] <ScottK> Arby: Great.  Thought you were gone.
[14:32] <Arby> I'll be in and out all afternoon
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: gotta subscribe first ... kdelibs seems to build just fine without arts
[14:34]  * apachelogger thinks he should prevent it from building api docs since we don't install them anyway
[14:49] <glatzor> Riddell, for the packagekit MIR we should perhaps reduce the numbers of packages. AFAIK you don't want to support the gstreamer installer, mozilla plugin or smart and yum backend
[14:50] <ScottK> Is Ubuntu using packagekit this cycle?
[14:51] <glatzor> ScottK, Kubuntu as the main frontend and Ubuntu most likely only for jockey
[14:51] <ScottK> I see.
[14:51]  * ScottK was hoping they'd do the MIR, but maybe not.
[14:51] <rgreening> Tonio__: did you figure out the packagekit issue yet?
[14:55] <vorian> NCommander: ping
[14:57] <wesley_> Hi guys
[15:47] <NCommander> vore, semiping
[15:48] <vorian> NCommander: can your update of plasmoid-toggle-composite wait until friday please?
[15:50] <NCommander> vorian, sure
[15:51] <vorian> thanks a million :)
[15:52]  * seele is disgusted with how many additional packages are required just for firefox
[15:53] <seele> 76 newly installed, 131MB of disk space
[15:56] <jussi01> seele: you should install with --no-install-recommends
[15:56] <jussi01> then you dont get half of gnome
[15:56]  * jussi01 hates it also
[16:00] <mok0> I have just reviewed a package that ships the Troll-Tech libraries qtbindings_core, qtbindings_gui, and qtbindings_xml -- where can they be found in Ubuntu?
[16:00] <rgreening_> hello
[16:01] <jussi01> heya rgreening
[16:01] <rgreening> hey :)
[16:02] <rgreening> was just testing a python irc library...
[16:02] <jussi01> cool
[16:02] <rgreening> I was thinking on a future project - plasmoid for irc
[16:02] <jussi01> rgreening: oooh, a quassel plasmoid :D
[16:03] <rgreening> heh
[16:09] <jussi01> hrm... what gmail notify apps are there for kde4 anyone know?
[16:09] <jussi01> theres an idea... a gmail notification plasmoid! :D
[16:09] <jussi01> who wants to write it! :D
[16:09]  * vorian points to jussi01 
[16:09] <davmor2> jussi01: well volunteered
[16:10] <jussi01> hrm... who wants to mentor me?
[16:10] <jussi01> :P
[16:11]  * jussi01 has no idea where to sgtart even
[16:12] <davmor2> jussi01: I find at the beginning helps ;)
[16:12] <jussi01> lol
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> there was a gmail notification plasmoid on kde-look for KDE 4.0.x
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> there is an "Incoming Message" plasmoid that is similar, but I don't know if it works with gmail
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> it would most definitely work with kmail or whatever
[16:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: meh, he wants to solve both problems at once, was hoping we could just get our stuff sorted toot sweet
[16:41] <apachelogger> yeah, me too, after all we need to get it into main as well :S
[16:41] <Riddell> mm
[16:44] <ScottK> OK.  I tried.
[16:45] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks, we can wait a couple of days I guess
[16:47] <apachelogger> KDE needs an option for "only hide notifications when I tell you to"
[16:47]  * apachelogger only glimpses 30% of the notifications
[16:47]  * ScottK considers apachelogger needs to apply to the User Experience team and help create some wonderful.
[16:48] <ScottK> http://spf.pastebin.com/m7b7e14bd for context
[16:50] <apachelogger> hehe
[16:52]  * seele sighs
[16:53] <glatzor> Riddell: you should only promote packagekit, packagekit-backend-apt, libpackagekit-(qt|glib)(11|-dev) and python-packagekit for main inclusion.
[16:55] <jussi01> seele: whats bothering you? :(
[16:56] <seele> jussi01: i was sighing at the notification chat.  it never dies!
[16:56] <seele> hehe
[16:56] <rgreening> smile seele, we still luv ya
[16:56] <rgreening> :P
[16:56] <seele> heh
[16:56] <seele> apachelogger: so contextual customization is one of those things that is really necessary in a notification system
[17:01]  * vorian finds the pink coloreded number in irssi enough of a notification
[17:02] <jussi01> vorian: meh :P
[17:02] <vorian> yep, it worked
[17:03] <vorian> :)
[17:05] <EagleScreen> is bluetooth officialy broken in Kuubntu 8.10?
[17:06] <Riddell> EagleScreen: yes
[17:07] <EagleScreen> any workaround?
[17:08] <Riddell> people had patches, not sure what happened to getting them doing anything
[17:08] <Riddell> Tm_T? JontheEchidna?
[17:10] <jussi01> Riddell: how is it in jaunty atm?
[17:10] <jussi01> (bluetooth)
[17:11] <EagleScreen> i havent tested in jaunty
[17:12] <EagleScreen> I obtain this in intrepid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107846/
[17:14] <EagleScreen> glatzor what happens with kpackagekit inclusion?
[17:14] <wesley_> Kmail doesnt work that good, setting it up is a pain in rhe ass
[17:17] <Riddell> jussi01: I've no idea
[17:17] <Riddell> EagleScreen: we're working on it
[17:17] <Riddell> wesley_: oh well
[17:18] <EagleScreen> well done, thanks
[17:19] <wesley_> But kmail can act as icon to inform you if ou got new msg ( p unstable right noe )
[17:22] <wesley_> okay I think konqueror is the one causing the unstablenisch
[17:23] <wesley_> It is using  1 gb of my memory
[17:24] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm working on a SRU for kdebluetooth in 8.10.
[17:24] <wesley_> Probaly because i was searhing on google maps
[17:27] <wesley_> Is there a way to investigate cpu usage ? Systemmonitor isnt that logical
[17:28] <Riddell> ScottK: and tonio is doing jaunty?
[17:28] <ScottK> Tonio__ did already.
[17:29] <Riddell> so he did
[17:29] <Riddell> jussi01: ^^ go test
[17:30] <jussi01> Riddell: oooh, cool. ScottK where are they?
[17:30] <ScottK> Jaunty is uploaded.
[17:30]  * ScottK is still in the middle of Intrepid.
[17:30] <Riddell> jussi01: kdebase-workspace and kdebluetooth
[17:31] <jussi01> Riddell: Im currently moving, so Ive only the intrepid machine. ScottK, please let me know when intrepid is done
[17:31] <ScottK> Will do.
[17:37] <ScottK> Riddell and apachelogger: Did you see <mathiaz> ScottK: If I don't come up with something by Friday, you can upload it.
[17:37]  * ScottK takes 'you' to mean apachelogger.
[17:37] <vorian> nod
[17:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, I already have the package ready :P
[17:37] <Tonio__> rgreening: for kpackagekit, the point is that our tarballs are outdated..
[17:38] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:38] <Tonio__> rgreening: you can use the "packagekit" ppa and it'll all work like a charm (technically at least...)
[17:38]  * ScottK notes he didn't say Friday where, so that could be pretty soon.
[17:38] <Tonio__> rgreening: couple of small issues on the policykit-kde side too
[17:39] <Riddell> ScottK: Quebec I'd guess
[17:39]  * ScottK figures AET.
[17:40] <ScottK> As soon as it's Friday anywhere, we're free to upload.
[17:40] <Riddell> ScottK: feeling frustrated are we? :)
[17:40] <Tonio_> ScottK fyi, the latest kdebluetooth disables the kbluelock...
[17:41] <vorian> so that's about 3:45 am EST thursday, right?
[17:41] <Tonio_> ScottK is that of any problem for an SRU ? cause you'll break a feature...
[17:43] <ScottK> Tonio_: Since we have no bluetooth now, any working at all is progress.
[17:43] <rgreening> Tonio_: ok. Do you know the ppa?
[17:43]  * ScottK considers a song to the tune of "Do you know the way to San Jose".
[17:44] <Tonio_> rgreening: Connection now manages Setting's lifespan.
[17:44] <ScottK> Doesn't quite work though.
[17:44] <Tonio_> rgreening: this commit could be fixing our networkmanager problem :)
[17:44] <Tonio_> rgreening: testing ;)
[17:44] <rgreening> Tonio_: cool. can we get a new package uploaded?
[17:44] <rgreening> Tonio_: :P
[17:48] <Tonio_> rgreening: yup
[17:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: btw, as it is mostly broken atm, I may consider provide daily updates for that one ;)
[17:49] <rgreening> Tonio_: whee!!!! :)
[17:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: testing the build localy and uploading
[17:50] <rgreening> I don't mind it blowing up on me, so I'll be able to test it as well.
[17:52] <rgreening> I'm most of the way thought updating the qt4-x11 build for 4.5.0-beta1
[17:55] <smarter> rgreening: it'll be available for intrepid too? :]
[17:57] <rgreening> smarter: I'll be building specifically for jaunty. but I don't see why it wouldn't work for intrepid... I'll upload to my PPA to test/build and if all goes well, cp to testing or experimental later...
[17:59] <smarter> cool
[17:59] <jussi01> Tonio_: did you break the nm plasmoid in svn? or should I be cleaning my builddir
[18:01] <Riddell> I doubt Tonio_ did anything in svn
[18:01] <Riddell> I don't think he has an account
[18:01] <jussi01> ahh...ok :)
[18:01] <Riddell> sebas on the other hand, just broke it
[18:02] <jussi01> hehe
[18:02] <jussi01> ok
[18:05]  * jussi01 then decides to wait and see if sebas unbreaks it
[18:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: policykit-kde changelog : Fixed bug that was causing auth fail before even trying
[18:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: packaging and commiting
[18:21] <Tonio_> jussi01 I can confirm it is broken atm...
[18:21] <Tonio_> jussi01 a CMakeList.txt file is craped...
[18:27] <jussi01> Tonio_: ahh
[18:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: rock on
[18:30] <Riddell> cor, aseigo is on #ubuntu-meeting
[18:30] <seele> eek
[18:30] <seele> what meeting is going on atm?
[18:31] <ScottK> Edununtu
[18:31] <ScottK> Edubuntu even
[18:32] <seele> ah hah
[18:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[18:33] <Riddell> backlog http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m5e4bfd0
[18:33] <seele> that interesting, huh?
[18:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[18:50] <apachelogger>  bug 314016
[18:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that bug travelled quite a bit ;-)
[18:52] <NCommander> vorian, ping?
[18:55] <vorian> NCommander: we already chatted (about plasmoid-toggle-composition)
[18:56] <ScottK> aseigo does a good sell.
[18:57] <apachelogger> what is he selling?
[18:59] <seele> kde edu
[19:02] <Riddell> and plasma
[19:04] <ScottK> kedubuntu
[19:04] <Riddell> anyone feel like updating akonadi server tonight?
[19:04] <ScottK> Which sucks way less than edkubuntu
[19:04] <vorian> Riddell: already on it
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu session in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:05] <Riddell> vorian: oh lovely, could you change mysql-server-5.0 to mysql-server-core-5.0  in the build-deps and depends ?
[19:05] <jussi01> ScottK: why not kubuntu-edu ?
[19:05] <ScottK> maybe.
[19:06] <vorian> Riddell: sure thing
[19:06]  * ScottK wonders why Sput is filing bugs in LP on old PPA versions of quassel.
[19:25] <rgreening> or kubedutu (pronounced 'could bed you too' and said with a smarmy brooklyn accent)
[19:26] <Sput> ScottK: I don't...
[19:26] <Sput> I have never files a LP bug in my life
[19:26] <Sput> *filed
[19:27] <ScottK> Sput: Odd.  I guessed Bug #319697 was you.
[19:28] <ScottK> I quess sputnik isn't an entirely obscure choice for a nick.
[19:29] <Sput> ScottK: I'd be Sputnick if I used my full nick :)
[19:29] <Sput> also I don't even use kubuntu :)
[19:29] <ScottK> Well that's what I thought.  It was confusing.
[19:29] <Sput> hehe :D I bet
[19:29] <ScottK> BTW, did you see my crash bug?
[19:30] <Sput> probably not, I've been busy today
[19:30] <ScottK> OK, well it's in Redmine when you get to it.
[19:31] <apachelogger> wah
[19:31] <apachelogger> dj bobo!
[19:31] <apachelogger> remixed
[19:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do we think of shoutcast?
[19:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: don't use them tbh
[19:32] <Nightrose> i mostly listetn o my own stuff
[19:34] <apachelogger> my own stuff is becoming boring :P
[19:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any music recommendations?
[19:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can't you amarok like make an album of the week service? :P
[19:35] <Nightrose> :P
[19:36] <Nightrose> listen to some counting crows
[19:36] <Nightrose> or yussuf
[19:36] <apachelogger> all listened too often
[19:36]  * apachelogger needs new and fresh and funky music
[19:36]  * ScottK hands apachelogger some James Brown.
[19:37] <apachelogger> hm
[19:37] <apachelogger> I am not sure how that relates to new fresh and funky :P
[19:37]  * vorian sends akonadi apachelogger's way
[19:37] <apachelogger> oh dar
[19:37] <apachelogger> +e
[19:37] <ScottK> Could be new to you.
[19:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: hm, possibly
[19:38]  * apachelogger could also explore the emo kind of stuff
[19:38] <ScottK> That's really the only relevant metric for this case I think.
[19:39] <\sh> whoever provided the kde4.2rcX packages for intrepid...nice work all...thx for that...it looks awesome and runs much better then the old intrepid version
[19:39] <apachelogger> ~np
[19:39] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Schnappi (Original Schnappi Mix)" by Gruttmann, Iris
[19:39] <apachelogger> \sh: kde 4.1 was crap :P
[19:52]  * Sput listens to shoutcast all the time
[19:52] <Sput> amarok has this nice shoutcast directory...
[19:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 319683
[19:52] <apachelogger> Sput: IMHO the dir sux
[19:52] <Sput> well yeah
[19:52]  * apachelogger thinks about rejecting that bug because he never heared of phonom :P
[19:52] <Sput> but it's enough to put some streams into your pl without bothering much
[19:53] <apachelogger> Sput: not if you are me and very elite :P
[19:53] <Sput> ah right, forgot that one :p
[19:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: amarok is one big pool for stupid and displaced bug reports
[19:54]  * apachelogger doesn't even wana triage there
[19:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: tell me about it...
[19:54] <Nightrose> most of them are sooooooooooooo useless
[19:54] <apachelogger> "I confirm that problem. I use gutsy,amarok 1.4.7 kde 3.5.8."
[19:55] <Nightrose> Oo
[19:55] <apachelogger> why not reproduce it in Amarok 1.1.0 while we are at it
[19:55] <apachelogger> sure must be worth something
[19:56] <apachelogger> lol
[19:56] <apachelogger> jonny is having is talk right now
[19:56] <apachelogger> like no-one told me :P
[19:57] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:57] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:59] <apachelogger> quilt push -a && quilt import -p2 -P kde_fix_something.diff ../upstream.patch && quilt refresh && quilt push && quilt pop -a
[19:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[19:59] <apachelogger> refresh and push are for ensuring the -p2 is correct
[19:59] <apachelogger> ... for kdebase one would need -p3
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah yeah, all I had gotten to was "dpkg-source -x *dsc" when they told me I was on :P
[20:02] <apachelogger> hehe
[20:02] <apachelogger> being prepared is everything I guess ^_^
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah, stupid daylight saving time
[20:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: now I know how to use quilt!
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[20:03]  * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna should write a quilt tutorial
[20:04] <jjesse> +1 from me
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> it's more like ln -s debian/patches patches; quilt push -a; quilt new patchname.diff; quilt add affectedfiles.cpp
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> quilt import -p2 -P kde_fix_something.diff ../upstream.patch && quilt refresh && quilt push && quilt pop -a
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> but the way I outlined in the talk works too, I guess :P
[20:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[20:05] <apachelogger> quilt import will make new and add pointless
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:05] <apachelogger> it will import the patch as it is
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> I didn't know that ^_^
[20:05] <apachelogger> -p2 will ensure it applies properly with the different structure of KDE svn patches
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> I've been doing it the hard way then, eheh
[20:06] <apachelogger> yes
[20:06] <apachelogger> but works as well :)
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> yup
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> obviously, since I have gotten upstream to yell at me :P
[20:09] <apachelogger> yeah, true :P
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> here I am, teaching impressionable minds to ruin KDE software :D
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> accomplishing what years of GObjects, mono and Qt licensing FUD couldn't
[20:14] <apachelogger> tea => hot => tongue => burnt
[20:14]  * Nightrose bows before the mighty JontheEchidna
[20:14] <Nightrose> :P
[20:14]  * apachelogger goes gets the cuddles
[20:14] <Nightrose> awww
[20:14]  * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:15] <apachelogger> hum
[20:16] <apachelogger> like what do you know ... me asking for cuddles but getting the respond "not noooow, I is watching ze tee veee"
[20:16] <apachelogger> in exactly that kind of inglish :P
[20:16]  * apachelogger must remember never to ask in english for cuddles
[20:16] <Nightrose> :(
[20:16] <apachelogger> good thing I got Nightrose
[20:16]  * apachelogger hugs the Nightrose
[20:16] <Nightrose> indööd
[20:16] <Nightrose> :)
[20:16] <ScottK> Well I got the 4.1.4 kdebase-workspace patch for bluetooth to apply.
[20:17] <vorian> yay
[20:17] <ScottK> quilt import was total fail for me at any level.
[20:17] <ScottK> quilt add [long list of files I grepped out of the patch]
[20:17] <ScottK> patch -p0 <../solid-bluetooth.diff
[20:17] <ScottK> quilt refresh
[20:17] <ScottK> did just fine.
[20:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: you need to understand the magics of quilt import before putting it to use :P
[20:18] <ScottK> Right, well the magic of quilt has me deeply missing dpatch-edit-patch.
[20:18] <apachelogger> well
[20:18] <apachelogger> how about batpatch
[20:18] <apachelogger> it is catchy
[20:18] <apachelogger> it is shorter
[20:18] <Stecchino> could anyone with KDE 4.1.3 kubuntu packages and amarok 2.0.1.1 please try thid: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181338
[20:18] <apachelogger> it is ruby
[20:19] <apachelogger> fail
[20:19] <Stecchino> damn, forgot. b.k.o is broken for everyone
[20:19] <apachelogger> works for me
[20:19] <apachelogger> but I don't have 4.1.3 ;-)
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> b.k.o worksforme
[20:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have amarok2?
[20:20] <ScottK> No.
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately I can't test at the moment because of mysql issues
[20:20] <ScottK> There's a reason I made vorian do all the work.
[20:20] <apachelogger> ^_^
[20:20] <ScottK> Plus Kmail is essential for me.
[20:20] <vorian> hehe
[20:21] <apachelogger> Stecchino: we are fresh out of 4.1.3 installations with amarok2 it seems
[20:21] <Stecchino> seems so
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> and I'm running 4.2 anyway
[20:21] <vorian> JontheEchidna: do you have amd64?
[20:21] <apachelogger> Stecchino: maybe you find someone in #kubuntu or #kubuntu-testers
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> nope
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> vorian^
[20:22] <vorian> i need someone with jaunty and amd64 please
[20:22] <vorian> JontheEchidna: are you on jaunty?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> yes
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> I just can't install amarok because I need kmail
[20:23] <vorian> can you see if the newest version of kdenlive segfaults on you
[20:23] <vorian> mine does not
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> kk
[20:23] <Tonio_> rgreening: lots of commits coming along networkmanager
[20:23] <Tonio_> sounds good :)
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> aiee, /me turns on --no-install-recommends
[20:23] <Tonio_> rgreening: still ftbfs atm, so I'll wait for the build to stabilize to provide an update
[20:25] <rgreening> Tonio_: that's awesome.
[20:25] <Stecchino> JontheEchidna: kmail != amarok?
[20:26] <Stecchino> exuses me should be KMail ^ Amarok (XOR)
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> Stecchino: akonadi needs one version of mysql, kmail needs another
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> kmail needs akonadi
[20:26] <ScottK> See the Jaunty Alpha 3 release notes
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> er
[20:26] <Stecchino> amarok needs another you mean. I see, only on jaunty a problem?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> akonadi needs one version of mysql, amarok needs another
[20:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna is seriously messed up
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> yes, I am messed up today
[20:27] <Stecchino> JontheEchidna: nenver mind, Wednesdays will do that to you
[20:27] <apachelogger> ~order brain for JontheEchidna
[20:27]  * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW!
[20:27] <vorian> haha
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> vorian: ok, just installed it and the startup wizard went just fine
[20:28] <vorian> hmm, ok
[20:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: A new brain?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> ha
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> no, kdenlive
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:29] <apachelogger> *scratching head*
[20:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: kds would hide the startup wizard of a new brain I suppose
[20:29] <ScottK> Probably.
[20:30] <Tonio_> rgreening: well I hope it'll come to a point we can consider shipping with it.... I wouldn't do that atm :)
[20:30] <Tonio_> anyone knows if the archives are frozen ?
[20:30] <ScottK> Just switch and then point everyone who screams upstream for motivation.
[20:30] <ScottK> Tonio_: No.
[20:30] <ScottK> They aren't frozen, not I don't know.
[20:30] <Tonio_> I uploaded policykit-kde, one hour ago, about, and I still wait for the soyuz email....
[20:31] <ScottK> Might be broken.  Different issue.
[20:31] <apachelogger> maybe soyuz is hungry again
[20:31] <Tonio_> hum...... i there a way to see the soyuz queue at some point ?
[20:32] <rgreening> Tonio_: yeah. Though I think the intent (from the author) is to make it available for distros shipping this spring (like us) and then more general in KDE 4.3
[20:32] <Tonio_> let work on k3b now ;)
[20:32] <Tonio_> yep, the all target (ppp/3g, ad hoc and so on) is for 4.3
[20:33] <Tonio_> but just standard wireless/cable connections for 4.2 would be nice
[20:33] <Tonio_> as for bluetooth, lots of things are gonna be added to 4.3, now they reached the kde3 functional level....
[20:33] <Tonio_> I just want something that works for the basics :)
[20:33] <apachelogger> new cup of tea => hot => tongue => burnt => Nightrose!
[20:33]  * apachelogger is close to start crying
[20:34] <apachelogger> darn that hurts
[20:34] <Tonio_> but of course, the "superkickass" release will be our next LTS, not before
[20:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ^_^
[20:35] <Tonio_> tea is dangerous, true that...
[20:35] <Riddell> sue whoever made it
[20:35] <Tonio_> a senseo coffee machine as one advantage : temperature is always the same
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: might seriously beat me up if I do that .... or worse ;-)
[20:36] <Tonio_> apachelogger: isn't the microwave oven to blame ?
[20:36] <apachelogger> hm, not according to austrian law
[20:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: what does to "sue" men ?
[20:37] <Tonio_> aka blame ?
[20:37] <smarter> Tonio_: faire un procés
[20:37] <apachelogger> oui oui
[20:37] <smarter> :]
[20:37] <Tonio_> smarter: ho ! speaking french ? :)
[20:38] <smarter> Tonio_: bah oui :p
[20:38] <apachelogger> oh dear
[20:38] <Tonio_> we didn't do a french kubuntu day for so long....
[20:38] <apachelogger> someone needs to write Tonio_ an update
[20:38] <Tonio_> smarter: je savais pas que t'étais français :)
[20:38] <apachelogger> Tonio_: was replaced by german chitchat at some point
[20:38] <apachelogger> then that got replaced by english chitchat
[20:38] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, I figured that out :)
[20:39] <wesley_> Is there something that needs to be tested ? Kind off doing nonthing right now
[20:39] <apachelogger> and now we are not productive anymore because everyone is just chatting
[20:39] <jussi01> Tonio_: ping me if you notice a fix for nm gets uploaded
[20:39] <Tonio_> wesley_: I could have tel you to check out policykit-kde, bu soyuz sucks at some points....
[20:39] <smarter> french kubuntu day?
[20:39]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[20:39] <Nightrose> poor guy
[20:39] <Tonio_> jussi01 there is a fix for the cmake issue, but now there is a code problem :)
[20:39] <apachelogger> smarter: that is a day @ kubuntu -> french
[20:39] <wesley_> stupid mac pro mouse has only opne button
[20:40] <jussi01> Tonio_: hahaha :D ok. if you notice it gets to a working state... :D
[20:40] <ScottK> wesley_: Two finger drag on the touchpad and click gives you right click.
[20:40] <Tonio_> smarter: when raphink was arround, since riddell speaks an very good french, it happened we used to go english all day long
[20:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I was more hoping for the cuddles, but fair enough *rug* <.--- all new word shortening rehug ... also looks more rubylike ;-)
[20:40] <Tonio_> jussi01 yep, sounds nice :)
[20:41] <wesley_> its a mouse, not a touhpad
[20:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: haha ok *cuddle*
[20:41] <raphink> Tonio_: tu racontes quoi? :p
[20:41] <smarter> ah, I probably wasn't there at that time :P
[20:41] <apachelogger> ha!
[20:41] <apachelogger> raphink is suddenly alive again
[20:41] <raphink> haha
[20:41] <raphink> :p
[20:41] <raphink> no I'm busy but my IRC client pinged me :p
[20:41] <Tonio_> raphink: that you moved away a long time ago !!
[20:42] <raphink> Tonio_: what?
[20:42] <raphink> :s
[20:42] <Tonio_> well you're not very talkative anymore :)
[20:42] <raphink> :'(
[20:42] <apachelogger> right, like not social at all
[20:42] <apachelogger> and that in this channel
[20:42] <Tonio_> isn't that true ? :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> if we had an oven we would even do baking in here
[20:42] <Tonio_> raphink: I still love you, don't mind :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> actually
[20:42] <apachelogger> ...
[20:42] <raphink> haha
[20:43] <wesley_> Ive kind of a work around for the missing right click, just use short clicks
[20:43] <apachelogger> ~script add oven m.reply "oh! uh! time for some baking ... hooray :D"
[20:43] <kubotu> lemme take care of that for you
[20:43] <apachelogger> ~oven
[20:43] <kubotu> oh! uh! time for some baking ... hooray :D
[20:43] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:43] <apachelogger> now we can do baking :D
[20:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please assign a minion to file a bug about updating Intrepid to 4.1.4?
[20:44] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ping
[20:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'd prefer someone writing a batscritp for that
[20:45] <Xand3r> apachelogger: pong
[20:45] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wanna do some work again...? ;-)
[20:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Once I upload the bluetooth stuff I expect we'll have a lot of testers and I'd like us to be prepared.
[20:45] <jpds> ScottK: Do you have time for a main upload?
[20:45] <apachelogger> long term target should be a script though :P
[20:46] <Tonio_> ScottK I tested quickly, seems to work correctly, at least for 4.2
[20:46] <ScottK> jpds: Maybe.  What is it?
[20:46] <smarter> ScottK: delegating people to delegate work, nice trick :P
[20:46] <Xand3r> apachelogger: wich work? and how hard i have to work?
[20:46] <jpds> ScottK: bug #319656 - patch attached.
[20:46]  * ScottK has a bluetooth phone to test with.
[20:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: file 20 bug reports to track update testing of KDE 4.1.4
[20:46] <smarter> hey jpds
[20:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: got a 4.1.3 example bug at hand?
[20:47] <jpds> hey smarter
[20:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Riddell filed the last set and had some magic LP url to find them all.
[20:47] <apachelogger> yeah, the url to bugs he filed ;-)
[20:47] <vorian> HI JPDS!!!
[20:47] <jpds> vorian: HELLO.
[20:47] <apachelogger> OMG
[20:48] <apachelogger> CAPS LOCK DAY AGAIN?
[20:48] <jjesse> zomg ponies
[20:48] <vorian> UNICORNS!
[20:48] <apachelogger> UNICORNS > PONIES
[20:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: c the query please
[20:48] <ScottK> jpds: That would take more thinking than I have available right now.
[20:48] <ScottK> Sorry.
[20:48] <wesley_> yeah working mouse
[20:49] <jpds> ScottK: OK; I'll subscribe u-m-s
[20:50] <wesley_> so whats the policykit-kde  ? ive installed but whjere do i find it
[20:57] <wesley_> yeah plasma crashed
[20:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: Xand3r does that filing
[20:59] <apachelogger> feel free to beat him up if he doesn't finish in time :P
[20:59] <Xand3r> yes
[21:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[21:00] <ScottK> Xand3r: Thank you.
[21:00] <Xand3r> what? wich time? you didn't said something about time
[21:00] <ScottK> Depends on how long I spend wrestling with quilt, but soon is good.
[21:01] <Xand3r> hmm kk
[21:03] <neversfelde> is it possible to package beta software?
[21:04] <neversfelde> or better is it possible to upload it to jaunty
[21:05] <vorian> yes, and always
[21:08] <neversfelde> k, then I will try to make a package of kshutdown
[21:10] <Tonio_> any testers for k3b ?
[21:10] <Tonio_> I have no cds there to make tests...
[21:11] <neversfelde> Tonio_: is there an intrepid version?
[21:12] <Tonio_> neversfelde: nope :/
[21:12] <Tonio_> neversfelde: but I can send you the source package if interested...
[21:12] <jjesse> Tonio_: is k3b a kde4 port?
[21:12] <Tonio_> jjesse: yes !
[21:12] <Tonio_> for jaunty, quick and dirty package atm, needs revu and splitting, but seems to start, at least for me :)
[21:12] <neversfelde> Tonio_: ok, why not. I have two cds left :)
[21:13] <jjesse> Tonio_: i can try it tongiht
[21:13] <rgreening> Tonio_: I will
[21:13] <Tonio_> rgreening, jjesse: http://planetemu.net/temp/k3b
[21:13] <rgreening> Tonio_: I have a couple of hundred blank cd/dvd I can throw at it
[21:13] <Tonio_> rgreening: hehe :)
[21:14] <jjesse> 403 forbidden
[21:14] <Tonio_> jjesse: gimme a second.... I have to fix this....
[21:14] <rgreening> Tonio_: gotta love buying in bulk
[21:14] <jjesse> costco?
[21:15] <rgreening> If anyone wants to test qt4.5.0-beta1, I just uploaded to my PPA (currently building) - https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive
[21:15] <Tonio_> jjesse: should be okay
[21:15] <jjesse> Tonio_: ok i'll give it a shot tonight
[21:15] <Tonio_> neversfelde: that's a dirty source package, with svn in it and build as native, but it should build....
[21:16] <neversfelde> so if there are enough other testers, I should wait for my upcoming jaunty upgrade
[21:17]  * raphink likes quassel :)
[21:17] <ScottK> OK.  Well kdebase-worspace with the bluetooth patch is finally building (4.1.4)
[21:22]  * ScottK wonders what gmm++ is and do we need it for 4.2?
[21:23] <ScottK> Debian KDE-Qt team just uploaded it to Debian New.
[21:23] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/batedit.ogv
[21:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ something similar for batpatch maybe?
[21:30] <rgreening> how do you add the keys for lp ppas
[21:32] <apachelogger> rgreening: get added automagically
[21:33] <rgreening> hmm...
[21:38] <rgreening> compositing under jaunty is regressed for intel video
[21:38] <rgreening> slow as fark
[21:38] <rgreening> :(
[21:40] <Tonio_> rgreening: this is my only bg complain about kde4 in fact.... compositing is better integrated, but slower than in compiz
[21:41] <rgreening> Tonio_: it is actually worse now since I updated to Jaunty from Intrepid. It was quite usable under Intrepid. I think it's to do with needing newer dr/drm and intel video 2.6.0
[21:42] <rgreening> the new kernel could be the issue, as it uses the new GEM
[21:45] <apachelogger> no
[21:45] <apachelogger> the issue is the new x
[21:46] <apachelogger> you are lucky that intel is an opensource driver and thus works considerable well :P
[21:46] <ScottK> Having systems with open source friendly drivers is not luck.
[21:46] <apachelogger> ^_^
[21:47] <Tonio_> anyone used to debug cmake build problems ?
[21:47] <Tonio_> I get an issue I can't fix...
[21:47] <Tonio_> settings/schemas/CMakeFiles/foo.dir/build.make:162: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[21:48] <Tonio_> the file is deleted during the build...
[21:48] <rgreening> ScottK: I have to agree. I consciously look for well supported hardware.
[21:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: paste the cmakelists of settings/schemas/
[21:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ok
[21:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/107967/
[21:50] <Tonio_> I already checked, but can't see anything wrong in it
[21:50]  * apachelogger thinks Tonio_ doesn't know about batpaste yet ^_^
[21:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: about what ???
[21:51] <apachelogger> :D
[21:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what's it ?
[21:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I really don't think that stuff related to "foo" ought to be there
[21:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: a script to paste a file from shell
[21:51] <apachelogger> Tonio_: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/batpaste-1.ogg
[21:54] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the thing related to foo is to be there, believe me :)
[21:54] <apachelogger> that is avery weird lib name I must say :P
[21:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: name is crap, true that, but I think this is temporary in fact
[21:55] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well you know about libcaca or libcucu ?
[21:55] <Tonio_> that's from a former DPL, french guy
[21:55] <Tonio_> and the name literally mean : libpoo and libass :)
[21:55] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:55] <Tonio_> strange names do exist at some point :)
[21:56] <Tonio_> ad those 2 libs are used by a software he worked on called "toilet"
[21:56] <Tonio_> and that's NOT a joke !
[21:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the same guy wrote the WTFPL licence, btw
[21:56] <raphink> toilet is a proof of concept of libcaca iirc
[21:57] <raphink> to turn strings into ascii art
[21:57] <raphink> apachelogger: libcaca is also used for a plugin for vlc iirc
[21:57] <apachelogger> colorful names one might say
[21:57] <raphink> so you can watch videos in ascii art
[21:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kopf-alexander/+reportedbugs
[21:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's the very Sam Hocevar ;)
[21:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but the guy is shinny, extremely skilled.... so... :)
[21:59] <apachelogger> :)
[22:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: k3b is looking ok. I am doing some testing now.... only thing is (like you said) the package needs to be cleaned up. I believe we do not use k3bsetup (it requires kdesu anyway) and of course splitting into k3b and k3b-data...
[22:06] <apachelogger> rgreening: shouldn't it be like based on KDE 3's k3b packaging?
[22:07] <rgreening> apachelogger: yes, that's my point I guess.. :)
[22:07] <rgreening> apachelogger: but Tonio_ already knows that I am sure :'>
[22:09]  * apachelogger senses the dark side of the force
[22:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: have you been able to burn something ?
[22:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the thing is k3b is a pretty complex packaging, lots of deps and so on
[22:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I wanted confirmation it worked before spending time making the packaging clean
[22:12] <apachelogger> *nod*
[22:12] <apachelogger> Tonio_: fortunately you don't have to patch it dead
[22:12]  * apachelogger always fears kdelibs(4) will fall apart when he touches it ^_^
[22:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yep :)
[22:13] <Tonio_> let's go for a clean package now !!!
[22:16] <apachelogger> Tonio_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-windowslist if you want to do something easy first ;-)
[22:18] <rgreening> Tonio_: I ripped a CD making an iso. No burn test yet... when I get home later tonight.
[22:19] <rgreening> ok, going home. will be back laterz
[22:21] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum... well I'm hot and it's late, so I'll probably concentrate on k3b now I have some kind of motivation ;)
[22:21] <neversfelde>  /me needs a MOTU für looking at http://tinyurl.com/a7u6s7
[22:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could we have a tag for those, like kde4.1.4?
[22:24]  * ScottK just lost at chess to his 5 year old, so is clearly not up for anything complex right now.
[22:30] <apachelogger> Xand3r: could ScottK have tags for the bug reports?
[22:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: you probably have time to do a plasmoid review, don't you? ;-)
[22:31]  * ScottK is up to his eyeballs in annoying children and bluetooth for Intrepid.
[22:31] <ScottK> later tonight probably.
[22:32] <Xand3r> apachelogger: tags?
[22:32] <apachelogger> neversfelde: there, send ScottK some cookies
[22:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: edit the bug
[22:32] <apachelogger> the second to last input box is for tags
[22:32] <ScottK> And some babysitting.
[22:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: add kde4.1.4 as tag to all bugs
[22:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: all 20 bugs?
[22:33] <Xand3r> gnaa why
[22:33] <Xand3r> you said there is nothing to do anymore
[22:33] <apachelogger> because ScottK can't define a project target properly :P
[22:33] <ScottK> Or if there's some other LPish way to do it, fine.
[22:34] <Xand3r> apachelogger: thats mean, all 20 bugs
[22:34] <Xand3r> i do it only for you
[22:34]  * apachelogger gives Xand3r a hug and a kiss
[22:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure, if we had a script :P
[22:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: you are so genius make one
[22:35] <apachelogger> on my todo
[22:35] <apachelogger> more pressing matters right now
[22:36] <apachelogger> neversfelde: did you like pbuild kshutdown
[22:36] <apachelogger> +questionmark
[22:36] <Xand3r> apachelogger: wich tag? kde4.1.4 ?
[22:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: aye
[22:36] <Xand3r> kk
[22:36]  * apachelogger pokes neversfelde with his laser screwdriver
[22:37]  * neversfelde sends cookies
[22:37] <neversfelde> cookies for everyone :D
[22:37] <Xand3r> hi neversfelde
[22:37] <neversfelde> hei Xand3r
[22:38] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ok, whats wrong with kshutdown? :)
[22:38] <apachelogger> W: kshutdown: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/kshutdown
[22:38] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that is ^
[22:39] <apachelogger> install kdesdk-scripts
[22:39] <apachelogger> run kdemangen.pl /usr/bin/kshutdown > kshutdown.1
[22:39] <apachelogger> install that as manpage
[22:39] <apachelogger> maybe also tweak it a bit
[22:39] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thought that is not necessary, when there is no man kshutdown, choqoK is without manpage too?
[22:39] <neversfelde> ah ok
[22:39] <apachelogger> neversfelde: easy enough to create one if the app uses standard kde startup stuff
[22:40] <neversfelde> is it correct to create an absolutley new package or should I update the existing one?
[22:40] <apachelogger> same question, same answer :P
[22:40] <apachelogger> neversfelde: there is no point in creating a new package for changes on an existing packaging, don't you think?
[22:41] <apachelogger> neversfelde: also, debian/watch file would be of use considering the stuff comes from sourceforge
[22:41] <neversfelde> hmm, advanced task^^
[22:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: so it is better to update 1.0.2-1ubuntu1
[22:43] <neversfelde> ?
[22:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no
[22:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you did not upload that version anyway
[22:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you are refining the revision
[22:45] <neversfelde> no, but I got doubt, when I saw k3b
[22:45] <apachelogger> a whole more complex story ;-)
[22:45] <neversfelde> k :)
[22:46] <Xand3r> apachelogger: shit is done
[22:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if you only add debian/watch or manpage you might be able to find a nice motu to review and upload if he/she is ok with it
[22:47]  * apachelogger add a note to this advocation
[22:47] <Tonio_> apachelogger: you know what ???? I mostly inished spliting k3b, and a bad rm -rf came out.....
[22:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: language!
[22:47]  * Tonio_ cries........
[22:47] <neversfelde> apachelogger: will have a look at it
[22:47]  * apachelogger hugs Tonio_
[22:47] <vorian> meh, me updates strigi
[22:47] <Xand3r> Xand3r: language? what is that? never heard about it
[22:47] <Tonio_> sometimes I HATE myself....
[22:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: you should make plenty of copies, or use a vcs, or just not use rm -rf lightly :)
[22:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: rm -rf *_* is generally fine ;)
[22:49] <Tonio_> apache rm -rf *.* is a lot more dangerous in my case...
[22:49] <apachelogger> rm -rf is _never_ good
[22:49] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I should consider use a vcs, indeed
[22:49]  * apachelogger only uses rm
[22:50] <apachelogger> rm -rf goes far too easy wrong
[22:50] <Tonio_> apachelogger: bah, as long as the man typing isn't an asshole like me..... can be okay :)
[22:51] <apachelogger> no no, this got nothing to do that :P
[22:51] <tsdgeos> is luka renko here?
[22:51] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: not right now .... his nick would be Lure though
[22:51] <Tonio_> tsdgeos: lure is not there....
[22:51] <tsdgeos> ok
[22:52] <tsdgeos> anyone on jaunty can run a valgrind over okular and http://www.qtrac.eu/C++-GUI-Programming-with-Qt-4-1st-ed.zip this document
[22:52] <tsdgeos> he reports a crash but the gdb backtrace is quite weird
[22:53] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: could that be a poppler issue?
[22:53]  * apachelogger noticed that okular crashes on pretty much every pdf in jaunty
[22:53] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: i'm with my poppler maintainer hat here
[22:54] <apachelogger> ok :)
[22:54] <tsdgeos> poppler 0.10.3 is totally fine here opening that pdf though
[22:57] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/108039/
[22:58] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: can it be that okular hasn't been recompiled after poppler 0.8 -> 0.10 update?
[22:59] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: entirely possible
[22:59] <apachelogger> lemme check
[23:00] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: indeed, didn't get rebuilt :)
[23:00] <apachelogger> *preparing upload*
[23:00] <tsdgeos> can you rebuild it? the backtrace doesn't make much sense either
[23:00] <neversfelde> is it possible to create a watch file with a zip packed source?
[23:01] <wesley_> 720 p why does it ask so much off your system ? I Dragonplayer the sound doesnt go right, and vlc doesnt seem to handle it
[23:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: don't think so ... get-orig-source would work better anyway
[23:01] <neversfelde> mhh
[23:05]  * ScottK votes after we get 4.2.0 done we build them all twice in a row to see if they rebuild.  kdebase-workspace in Intrepid does not.
[23:05] <vorian> ScottK: good idear
[23:05] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.1.96-0ubuntu2
[23:06] <tsdgeos> so i can tell the man that try the new package when ready, right?
[23:06] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: yep
[23:06] <tsdgeos> tx mate
[23:07] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: thanks for pointing it out :)
[23:07] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: not sure it's the problem, but it's the only thing i can think of
[23:08] <tsdgeos> it's good to have responsive people on the distro side :-)
[23:08] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: it very likely is, I started noticing this only a couple of days ago, and poppler 0.10 got uploaded jan 19
[23:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I will not finish the k3b package before friday, and I'll require revu even if that could be avoided....
[23:10] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ready to help on that point ?
[23:11] <Tonio_> apachelogger: 4 eyes are better than 2 for this one :)
[23:11] <apachelogger> we have 4.2.0 coming up... but yeah I should be able to help with that :)
[23:11] <apachelogger> vorian is doing the coordinator job anyway ;-)
[23:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there is no emergency with k3b, since that's a svn snapshot, I'll commit a lot of packages before the release :)
[23:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll be full time available on friday, so if you need help for kde.... I can help :)
[23:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: also you ninjas might be organised your way...
[23:13] <apachelogger> that would mean spending that day to get a ninja envrionment ;-)
[23:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[23:13] <Tonio_> yep, that's my point.... but since I'm really back now, we'll have to do that one day :)
[23:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: things change too fast.... as was only offline for a few month.... and I feel lost in the processes :)
[23:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but the team grown up considerably, which is really, really good :)
[23:14] <apachelogger> constant improvement on every aspect
[23:15] <Tonio_> yeah, but it's hard to feel lost that quick, to be honnest :)
[23:15] <ScottK> If we can get the NM plasmoid and K3B done, we might have a KDE3 free CD soon
[23:16] <vorian> apachelogger: you have strigi mail, we'll need for kdelibs
[23:16] <Tonio_> it'll take a couple of weeks before I feel really comfortable :)
[23:16] <apachelogger> Tonio_: all the more reason to not be offline for a few months ;-)
[23:16] <ScottK> Which means there's some hope of everything fitting
[23:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that was not my choice :)
[23:16] <apachelogger> yah yah :P
[23:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: lost girlfriend and appartment, then went to some depression.... then back, and happy to live again :)
[23:16] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but you know the story....
[23:17] <apachelogger> Tonio_: we are good with therapies as well
[23:17] <Tonio_> ScottK NM will be done for sure, no idea of k3b status, to be honnest
[23:17] <wesley_> Losing your girl can make you really sick :(
[23:17] <apachelogger> Tonio_: Nightrose certainly has her tricks to make one feel better
[23:17] <apachelogger> oh, hold on that could sound wrong
[23:17] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yeah, but at those moments, simply getting in front of the computer was a nightmare...
[23:17] <Tonio_> apachelogger: haha
[23:18] <Tonio_> wesley_: and you don't have the details.... that break was particularly rude :)
[23:18] <apachelogger> Tonio_: good to have you back anyway :)
[23:18] <Tonio_> wesley_: a few month before getting married, in the meantime you're trying to have a baby, and have apparently not any problem
[23:19] <wesley_> Thats ofcourse not good, but its teribel
[23:19] <Tonio_> wesley_: and you're announced she's been cheating with you for 7 month :)
[23:19] <Tonio_> apachelogger: happy to be here again :)
[23:19]  * Nightrose slaps apachelogger
[23:19]  * Nightrose hugs Tonio_
[23:19] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:19] <wesley_> Tonio_ I had that to with a girlfriend, your senses should had say you something ?
[23:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: now that was completely unintentional :P
[23:19] <Nightrose> jaja :P
[23:20] <ScottK> wesley_: Please be nice
[23:20] <ScottK> wesley_: You've been warned before.
[23:20] <Tonio_> wesley_: nope, I'm good now
[23:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: my bf always says "it just happened to sound weird" in such situtations
[23:20] <wesley_> I mean it good ScottK, you read it wrong\
[23:20] <Tonio_> wesley_: I have been able to understand I deserve a lot better than this
[23:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: for some reason he ends up in a lot of those ;-)
[23:20] <Nightrose> hehe right....
[23:20] <Tonio_> wesley_: I'm the good and nice person of the story
[23:21] <Tonio_> but Riddell and seele saw me a couple of days after it happened.... it was terrible :)
[23:21] <wesley_> Tonio_ Thats what I try to tell me when my ex left me, few months later she starts poping up in my head
[23:22] <wesley_> My relation is on a break, I hope to make it up with valentijn day
[23:22]  * Nightrose thinks we should talk about nicer things
[23:22] <Nightrose> like kpackagekit
[23:22] <Nightrose> or quassel
[23:23] <Nightrose> or k3b
[23:23] <apachelogger> kpackagekit = broken
[23:23] <Tonio_> Nightrose: or sex ? ;)
[23:23] <wesley_> k3b sounds okay
[23:23] <apachelogger> quassel = not finished
[23:23] <Nightrose> :P
[23:23] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kpackagekit -> working with the ppa version, in the repos soon
[23:23] <apachelogger> k3b = borken, KDE 3 and not finished untested pre-alphaware
[23:23] <wesley_> I can test kpackagekit, but k3b not, i dont have a dvd drive
[23:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: see - lots of nice stuff to work on ;-)
[23:23] <apachelogger> Tonio_: kpackagekit -> not finished then :P
[23:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sure not
[23:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: anyway, jaunty will be released with unfinished components, ut that's life
[23:24]  * apachelogger is happy with whatever stuff we have in jaunty as long as the translations are flawless
[23:24] <Tonio_> the target is kick the harse of gnom with the next LTS, right ? ;)
[23:25] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, 9.04 will be direct upgrade target of 8.04 (since we skipped 8.10 in the autoupdate)
[23:25] <apachelogger> so a considerable amount of usability should be available ;-)
[23:25] <wesley_> Thats kind off disapoints me sometimes that for last 2 releases not everthing is finshed, but i have trust in 9.04
[23:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger: bah kpackagekit is not worse than what we had all those years
[23:26] <apachelogger> agreed
[23:26] <wesley_> kpackage start
[23:26] <apachelogger> wesley_: software is never finished
[23:26] <Tonio_> wesley_: consider OSX 5 years ago
[23:26] <wesley_> Lol
[23:26] <Tonio_> wesley_: not everything was finished, since the transition was really badly done
[23:27] <wesley_> I had run 0s 9
[23:27] <Tonio_> they restarted from scratch at any point
[23:27]  * apachelogger counts on ubuntu for introducing a break in the foundations
[23:27] <Tonio_> they missed so many features and applications
[23:27] <Tonio_> and what about now ? it's wonderfull
[23:27] <wesley_> If you ask me Osx is not better then Linux, java doesnt work like it should
[23:27] <Tonio_> we have to think about kde4 on the long term
[23:27] <apachelogger> Tonio_: reviews are done short term not long term ;-)
[23:27] <Tonio_> wesley_: osx is 10 times better than linux, point, nothing to be discussed there :)
[23:27] <wesley_> What about the ugly blue shadows when composting is off?
[23:28] <Tonio_> wesley_: but nobody has to disable it :) that's the true story
[23:28] <wesley_> I talking about kde 4.2
[23:28] <Tonio_> wesley_: what about the horrible TTY when X.org is off ? same question
[23:28] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[23:28] <Tonio_> wesley_: well maybe we should disable shadows by default....
[23:29] <Tonio_> they are making compositing a lot slower in any case...
[23:29] <apachelogger> can't
[23:29] <apachelogger> they are necessary for oxygen
[23:29] <wesley_> I havent reported anything to kde, but those shadows look ugly when composting is off
[23:29] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I diable them, and didn't see any problem
[23:29] <apachelogger> the one and only reason you have these blue frames when compositing is off
[23:30] <apachelogger> people where complaining about not being able to differ where one window starts and the other ends
[23:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what do you mean by "necessary" ?
[23:30] <apachelogger> Tonio_: if we turn them off people will come complaining about that again
[23:31] <wesley_> But still that blue line doesnt look nice, and Kwin doesnt work properly, because intel drivers are f@#ked off, they perform way below
[23:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I don't see that "start/end" point ?
[23:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what's the story ?
[23:32] <wesley_> Kpackage-kit seems not to fetch the sources
[23:32] <apachelogger> Tonio_: the problem is that oxygen is designed for displays with good contrast, with desktop effects turned on and a certain color setting
[23:33] <neversfelde> ah get-orig-source
[23:33] <neversfelde> :)
[23:33] <apachelogger> Tonio_: if the parameters change flaws by design appear, such as window frames not being very good to differ on crappy displays without desktop effects
[23:34] <wesley_> Should i provide the konsole out put off kpackage kit ?
[23:35]  * apachelogger needs to go to bed
[23:35] <apachelogger> ~order bed
[23:35]  * kubotu is placing a cot for apachelogger in the corner of #kubuntu-devel.
[23:35] <apachelogger> nini
[23:35]  * wesley_ needs to travel trough time
[23:38] <wesley_> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/108048/ Kpackage doesnt seem to be configured right, and the state i see it is in, its useless, the sources are fetched, and can find any packages
[23:47] <Tonio_> good night everyone...
[23:47] <Tonio_> wesley_: that's known issue, and a problem with packagekit itself...
[23:48] <Tonio_> wesley_: the packagekit ppa has valid and working packages, they'll be in the archives soon
[23:48] <wesley_> Okay, I just though lets take a look
[23:48]  * Tonio_ beds, btw
[23:48] <Tonio_> wesley_: you are right, since those are in the archives :)
[23:48] <Tonio_> and you couldn't know about the ppa :)
[23:49] <Tonio_> rgreening, apacheloggeranother major upload for NM plasmoid ;)
[23:49] <wesley_> hehe, I know kpackage kit from fedora, but if you ask me it was slow
[23:49] <glatzor> Tonio_, wesley_ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-January/003590.html
[23:49] <Tonio_> 30 new files in the svn
[23:50] <Tonio_> glatzor: great !
[23:50] <Tonio_> glatzor: will you consider uploading kpackagekit or want me to do it then ?
[23:50] <wesley_> thats much, but i never look at those pages, I am a normal user, i see me as a advanced user
[23:50] <Tonio_> glatzor: current svn snap ftbfs, so maybe your package is the one to upload :)
[23:51] <glatzor> Tonio_, actually I am not very familiar with KDE. So perhaps you should do this.
[23:51] <wesley_> Its KDE that I still use Linux
[23:51] <Tonio_> glatzor: no pb
[23:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll keep the package on your ppa and your your bzr branch in the future instead of the kde's
[23:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: probably better to maintain this way then
[23:52] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'll upload tomorrow, no pb
[23:52] <Tonio_> wesley_: I think packagekit isn't slow on fedora
[23:52] <Tonio_> yum probably is ;)
[23:53] <Tonio_> or the packagekit-yum backend ^^
[23:53] <wesley_> yeah can be, but it taked not long and i was installing kubunyu
[23:54] <wesley_> kubuntu is still one of the more default kde
[23:54] <Tonio_> wesley_: I also use fedora
[23:54] <wesley_> I use osx and kubuntu
[23:54] <Tonio_> great distro, but globaly slow, also not as much as opensuse :)
[23:54] <Tonio_> I use windows XP, 2003, OSX, kubuntu, ubuntu, fedora, opensuse and vista :)
[23:55] <wesley_> but havent loggen in anymore on osx
[23:55] <Tonio_> but well, I'm a kind of nerd when doing this
[23:55] <wesley_> Tonio on a pc ?
[23:55] <Tonio_> wesley_: I have a mac, with osx, vista and kubuntu installed
[23:55] <Tonio_> and I use VM for the others
[23:55] <wesley_> Ah okay, i have a intel atom 330
[23:55] <Tonio_> and on a regular basis I mostly use windows XP, osx and kubuntu
[23:56] <Tonio_> wesley_: ah.... :)
[23:56] <wesley_> I didnt even fix grub to add osx
[23:56] <Tonio_> impressive
[23:56] <wesley_> Its still there though
[23:56] <Tonio_> does it work well ?
[23:57] <wesley_> Yes works like a sharm, but only mic doesnt work, everthing else works ( You know its osx 8x
[23:57] <Tonio_> :)
[23:58] <Tonio_> I kinda love osx, but as I decided to boycott apple, I'll have to stop using this now :)
[23:58] <wesley_> Its not really something they like that you talk about, anyway I have my acer running to osx, bought me a usb wlan for 20 and have internet now
[23:59] <Tonio_> :)
[23:59] <Tonio_> well I'm sorry but it's really late in france.... I have to go sleep !
[23:59] <wesley_> But on  the atom works kind off out of the box, with a osx86 distro
[23:59] <Tonio_> seya tomorrow
[23:59] <wesley_> 00:59 here
[23:59] <Tonio_> wesley_: same here :)