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liquidThe Giver file sharing package is extremely buggy. Is there any plans for forward progress on it? It's very promising and very slick when it works.02:46
greg-gliquid: that is probably a better question for the developers of that application02:48
EagleScreenincorrect working of kpackagekit/policykit-kde; i think there is a problem with one of them02:49
liquidWhat bugs are addressed here? Forgive me, I've never been here before.02:49
liquidI guess what I'm asking - what's the scope?02:49
EagleScreenkpackagekit call policykit-kde to autenticate for installing packages, but kpackagekit gives you autentication error before you type password in policykit-kde dialog02:51
greg-gliquid: the scope of this channel is for triaging bugs in Ubuntu02:53
liquidHow about this: If you log in remotely using XDMCP, you cannot unlock any interface requiring admin prriveleges.02:53
liquidthanks greg-g02:54
greg-gliquid: and it is a good idea to reference a reported bug (in launchpad.net) when trying to triage something, as others who are not here at the moment can still look/help later02:55
liquidThe problem I'm talking about with XDMCP I first noticed in Hardy, and it still seems to exist in Intrepd02:55
liquidLet me log into launchpad02:55
liquiduno momento02:55
greg-gliquid: then best bet is to search LP for that bug and see if it is already reported.  if not, report it. if it is, see if there is anything helpful you can add to the bug report02:56
greg-gand I don't know much about XDMCP, so, I can't be of much help to debug it02:56
liquidah ok02:56
greg-gbug 23065602:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230656 in libxdmcp "can't access administrative settings when logged in remotely through xdmcp" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23065602:56
hggdhbug 23065602:56
liquidyep, that's the one02:56
hggdhhum. I remember something about policykit02:57
liquidthere are policykit errors all over the syslog02:58
liquidI'm willing to help fix it, if I can02:58
hggdhthere you go. Did you search for policykit reported bugs?02:58
greg-gmight be helpful to attach the syslog when the problem occurs, then02:59
hggdhhum. Bug 18758502:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 187585 in policykit "Policykit does not work when logged in as root over ssh" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18758502:59
liquidNo... you think this is systemic of a triaged bug in policykit?02:59
liquidlooks like that's a viable culprit for sure02:59
hggdhit would be really good to have the policykit errors you see in the log03:00
liquidwell, i'll post them when I'm in the office next03:01
liquidI think someone may have posted it in our in-house mantis site03:01
liquidlet me check03:02
liquidI might be able to get them to you now-ish03:02
hggdhthe above bug comments on a workaround available on bug 22136303:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 221363 in freenx-server "Policy Kit Unlock Buttons Greyed Out when using NX" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22136303:02
liquidI didn;t know NX was related to XDMCP03:03
hggdhliquid, I personally do not think this is particular to XDMCP, but probably something common to any remote session03:04
liquidyou know, this might be realted to another problem I've been having (Although it's a stretch...)03:05
liquidAfter upgrading a server from hardy to intrepid, I cannot forward x apps over ssh without enormous delays and a ton of error messages about orbit of stderr03:06
liquidthe 'fix' if you will, for that is to run dbus-launch command03:06
liquidit looks like dbus has some problems with x03:06
liquidbecause if you look at bug 221363, they reference dbus03:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 221363 in freenx-server "Policy Kit Unlock Buttons Greyed Out when using NX" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22136303:06
liquidsorry, I meant 'orbit on stderr' (not 'of')03:07
hggdhit might03:08
liquidI would like to contribute to the ubuntu project, actually03:09
liquidI don't know much about linux dev03:09
hggdha good thing to do is look at bugs.debian.org (our upstream for pk, it seems)03:10
liquidI'll use that in the future03:10
hggdhreal upstream development seems to be centred at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit03:13
hggdhso now you have a lot of pointers to search, and help resolve/triage the problem. Welcome to bug triaging!03:14
liquidthe policykit team has it pretty easy, 33 bugs?! pfft!03:14
hggdhmost of the times it seems to work quite nicely...03:15
liquidmaybe the problem is dbus03:15
hggdhperhaps... also, please keep in mind we may be talking about different versions of pk on Ubuntu, Debian, and upstream; also, what you saw upstream are the *open* bugs... this might have been corrected on a patch that we did not get03:16
hggdhwelcome ;-)03:17
liquidtrue that03:17
hggdhso now you need to look at it all, trying to find the infamous needle in the haystack03:17
liquidoh baby03:18
liquidGood thing we have hardcore debugging tools in linux, like gdb :)03:18
hggdhalso https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18948 sounds interesting03:20
ubottuFreedesktop bug 18948 in daemon "PolicyKit: incorrect default DBUS configuration" [Major,New]03:20
hggdhanyway. You know what to look for now. And your knowledge of policykit is as good as mine...03:21
liquidyeah, I'm reading that one now03:21
liquidcool, we can work through this *togethor* ! (High fives)03:21
hggdh:-) only one problem: it is late here, and I gotta stop & hit the pillow03:22
hggdhliquid, please document what you find in the LP bug03:22
liquidHey, thanks for answering my questions with sincerity03:22
hggdhmy pleasure03:22
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dholbachgood morning06:14
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CrownAmbassadorI'm in the process of reporting a bug with a internet connection. I can't get a wired connection. Troubleshooted till I'm blue in the face! Does anyone know as what pakage I can report this bug?10:36
BUGabundoCrownAmbassador: NM?10:42
BUGabundoapport-cli -fp network-manager10:42
BUGabundolinux is also a good choise!10:42
CrownAmbassadorBUGabundo: Thanks. I will have a look10:46
CrownAmbassadorNew bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/31955311:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319553 in network-manager "No Wired Internet Connection in 8.10" [Undecided,New]11:04
andresmujicaCRown, could you explain a litle bit more your report?11:08
andresmujicawhat i{ m understanding is that you connect your ADSL modem to your ETH0 wired connection and you don't get an ip, so you can't access the Internet via wired?11:09
CrownAmbassadorandresmujica: What is ETHO?11:11
andresmujicaeth0 your wired interface11:11
CrownAmbassadoroh! hehe11:11
CrownAmbassadorDidn't get the caps11:11
CrownAmbassadorThat is basically it yes.11:11
andresmujicaplease add to your report the file /etc/network/interfaces11:12
andresmujicaalso, you're not making any PPPOE for the ADSL, right?11:13
CrownAmbassadorI feel like such a newbie today and this is humbling me! hehe. What is pppoe?11:14
CrownAmbassadorreport updated11:15
andresmujicaok, attach the output from the following files:11:16
andresmujicalspci -vvv11:16
andresmujicauname -a11:16
CrownAmbassadorHow can i get the entire output of dmesg? i cuts it off at the top.11:17
andresmujicasudo dmesg > dmesg-output.log11:17
andresmujicaPPPOE: It's a technology that let you connect to ADSL, if you need to put an username and password to connect to the internet via ADSL from windows using something like a dial-up connection?11:19
andresmujicaCrown, please add the info as separate attachments, no need to put that in the description, you add a new comment and attach the file11:22
andresmujicaone more thing when you go to NetworkManager applet and clic on edit connections, do you have an Auto eth0 interface at the Wired tab?11:24
CrownAmbassadoryes i do11:24
CrownAmbassadorDo you want me to put the other output in as a attachement? (the ones I already added)11:25
andresmujicaoh yes please, that would be great11:28
andresmujicaoo i mean the ones that are missing11:28
andresmujicano need to put the first one again, don't worry11:28
CrownAmbassadorOkay. Sorry for taking so long.11:30
andresmujicano prob.11:31
CrownAmbassadorDo I have to manually put things like lspci -vvv in a log file or just past it in the comments?11:31
andresmujicain a log file as attachment pls11:32
andresmujicasudo lspci -vvv > lspci-log11:33
schmiedcare there any diagrams about the bug-lifecycle available somewhere?11:43
andresmujicaat the wiki you{ ll find somw workflow diagrams and some stat graphs11:43
CrownAmbassadorandresmujica: added the attachements. I don't need to put the username in with windows, but I tried that with ubuntu when running something. can really remember what I ran, but it brought up a blue screen asking me about my network interfaces.11:44
andresmujicayeap, i'm checking the attachs...11:46
schmiedcandresmujica: thx11:46
andresmujicaok don't worry it seems thatt your eth0 is unmanaged.11:46
andresmujicalet me check one more thing11:46
andresmujicai'm gonna put a comment at the report so you check the link and try the workaround described there...11:48
andresmujicai've gotta go now, so i'll check your input at the report.11:48
andresmujicalater on11:48
CrownAmbassadorcool. thanks11:52
CrownAmbassadorI know this is way off the topic of this room, but does anybody know of a java irc client that will run on a java enabled phone?13:22
CrownAmbassadorNot jmirc13:22
steve555Hi everyone.13:56
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savvashm.. Bug #23568, bug #140934 and bug #304767 link to upstream http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35466115:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 23568 in gnome-system-tools "[time-admin] The timezone selected during install is different in (Gnome) Clock" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2356815:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 140934 in system-tools-backends "Default Time zone/City for Serbia(Europe) Should be Belgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14093415:10
ubottuGnome bug 354661 in s-t-b "time-admin fails to lookup "Europe/Helsinki" as time zone value" [Minor,Unconfirmed]15:10
ubottuBug 304767 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/304767 is private15:10
savvasthey're all the same, but which one should do I use as a master bug?15:11
savvasAh, private. I don't know about that one :P15:11
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 to kick off in #ubuntu-classroom in 23 minutes! :-)15:37
MrKanisterHello pedro_16:22
pedro_hola MrKanister16:48
MrKanisterpedro_: How are things?16:49
pedro_MrKanister: going great, how about you?16:50
MrKanistercouldn't be better :)16:50
MrKanisterpedro_: I think I should add some more bugs to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2009012216:51
pedro_MrKanister: omg did you already started? ;-)16:51
pedro_MrKanister: yeah feel free to add some more ;-)16:51
MrKanisterpedro_: I couldn't resist :P16:51
* pedro_ hugs the super MrKanister16:52
* MrKanister hugs pedro_ back16:52
pedro_MrKanister: are you using 5-a-day to keep track of that work?16:52
MrKanisterpedro_: I got a free Tuesday so I had a lot of time.16:52
MrKanisterpedro_: Yep, I am using 5-a-day16:53
* MrKanister thinks that is is more work to add all the bugs to 5-a-day than to work on them16:53
pedro_MrKanister: yeah, got some comments about that too16:54
pedro_MrKanister: dholbach and bdmurray are working in having some automated way to do that16:54
MrKanisterpedro_: I like automated things ;)16:54
MrKanisterpedro_: How about  a separate page for the bug day with a button next to them to mark them as being worked on?16:55
MrKanister* next to the bugs16:55
pedro_MrKanister: you said something like the "mark as reviewed" button we have at the harvest page?16:56
pedro_http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/handler.py?pkg=nautilus <-16:56
MrKanisterpedro_: Yes, imagined something like that (btw: In Harvest it is not always working)16:57
pedro_MrKanister: m i like that idea, but it maybe be difficult to know how is working on what, you know for doing a basic stats at the end of the hug day16:59
pedro_MrKanister: what do you mean ? dholbach is the right man to ask about harvest16:59
dholbachin a session right now16:59
dholbachknown bug, didn't have the time to look into it, sorry16:59
MrKanisterpedro_: I think if the pages is connect to launchpad (for example with OpenID) it should be possible to register who clicked the button17:00
EagleScreenis bluetooth officially broken in kubuntu 8.10?17:06
mnemocan someone check if "software sources" is broken on jaunty?19:00
mnemoif I select "System::Administration::Software Sources" ... nothing happens19:00
mnemono window19:00
mnemoand if I run "gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk19:00
mnemothen I get this creepy error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/107894/19:00
asomethingmnemo: happens here as well19:03
greg-gmnemo: you might want to submit the crash file it talks about19:03
greg-gnavigate to /var/crash/ and double click on the "_usr_bin_software-properties-gtk.0.crash" file19:04
greg-gdon't worry, it will be private to begin with so someone can make sure there aren't any passwords in the report19:04
greg-gprivate == only trusted individuals can see it19:04
mnemogreg-g: why isnt it automatically submitted? my system used to display this nice apport GUI but not anymore19:05
mnemois apport also broken right now in jaunty??19:05
greg-gmnemo: don't know, separate issue, go ahead and submit this bug first :)19:06
mnemowill do19:06
* greg-g isn't running jaunty yet :)19:06
asomethingmnemo: I got the apport dialog but it wouldn't submit due to some sort of time out error.19:06
mnemoI got 7 unique unsubmitted (because I know I've not seen apport GUI so far in jaunty) reports in /var/crash19:07
asomething Could not upload report data to crash database: <urlopen error The read operation timed out>19:08
mnemosame here19:08
pedro_asomething, mnemo, that's known: bug 31421219:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421219:10
mnemoops that should be pretty high priority I guess... many bugs are currently flying under the radar due to this problem19:10
circuitfiredoes anyone know of a resolution to gcalctool failing to start due to a libcairopango error?19:11
pedro_circuitfire: could you paste the error on paste.ubuntu.com ?19:12
pedro_circuitfire: which version of gcalctool is causing the issue for you?19:12
circuitfirenot sure about the versionm19:15
circuitfirepedro_: info ^^19:16
pedro_circuitfire: just open a terminal and type apt-cache policy gcalctool19:17
pedro_circuitfire: thanks, i'll have a look19:17
pedro_circuitfire: is libpango1.0-0 installed? looks like a broken installation19:18
circuitfirepedro_: Installed: 5.24.1-0ubuntu119:19
circuitfirepedro_: ^^ that was for gcalctool19:19
pedro_circuitfire: ok, may you check the libpango package?19:19
circuitfirepedro_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107911/19:20
circuitfirepedro_: ^^ for apt-cache libpango19:21
pedro_circuitfire: ok, could you try to reinstall both packages ?19:23
circuitfirepedro_: is there an aptitude command for that?19:24
anderskaptitude reinstall packagenames19:25
pedro_brb testing an update19:26
circuitfireproblem persists .. after reinstall of gcalctool and libpango1.0-0 .. same error as before19:31
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hggdhbdmurray, ping22:26
bdmurrayhggdh: hello22:27
maxbHi. On my Aspire One running Jaunty, network-manager can't see the wireless device (AR5007EG card, AR2425 chip) when running the Jaunty kernel. It works if I boot the remnant Intrepid kernel instead.22:33
maxbI could use some guidance figuring out what to report to make a useful bug, as well as whether it needs to be filed against linux or network-manager22:33
hggdhbdmurray, I am getting a failure when installing the new lp_patches.user.js22:40
dtchenmaxb: is the nic enumerated in userspace at all when you boot the jaunty kernel?  (and which jaunty kernel?)22:40
bdmurrayhggdh: click on the green download arrow on the far right not the thing on the far left22:41
hggdhand then open with ffox, correct?22:41
bdmurraygm pops up for me and says "this is a gm user script..."22:42
hggdhit does not for me...22:42
hggdhtrying a brand new ffox session.22:43
maxbdtchen: It works sufficiently that I can "iwlist wlan0 scan" and see APs. Kernel 2.6.28-4.1122:43
hggdhbdmurray, dat iz ferry veird. Closed ffox, re-opened it, went to the link, and now GM pops in22:44
bdmurrayhggdh: it happens sometimes to me too22:45
hggdhheh. At least I am not alone...22:46
dtchenmaxb: ok, so the affected source package question is answered.22:46
dtchenmaxb: take a look at /var/log/daemon.log for debug, and try using nm-tool(1) for further info22:48
dtchenmaxb: also, you may wish to ensure that lshal/hal-get-property still reports the same info for your wireless hw for both kernels you've tested22:50
maxbdtchen: nm-tool says "State: unavailable" about the wireless device. I've dumped lshal output, and will reboot and get the counterpart. What would I do with hal-get-property?22:52
dtchenmaxb: h-g-p just allows you to drill down/filter for specific key/values; lshal will likely suffice in this context22:53
maxboh dear, I feel silly. It thinks the rfkill is active22:53
maxbUnfortunately, the rfkill is just a physically stateless button in this case, which makes things harder22:54
maxb(pressing it doesn't help)22:54
maxbAlso:   (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2)  .... where do I look up the reason code?22:56
maxbHuh, right, so the killswitch does toggle the radio (as shown by whether iwlist wlan0 scan works or not)22:59
maxbBut /sys/devices/platform/acer-wmi/rfkill/rfkill0/state remains "0" throughout22:59
dtchenmaxb: i recommend adding a linux task to that bug, then23:01
maxbdtchen: Thanks for the nudging in the right direction. Turns out that "rmmod acer_wmi" gets things working!23:08
* maxb heads to Malone23:08
hggdhin what package is the Ubuntu installer?23:19
bdmurrayubiquity for the graphical one23:20

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