[02:46] <liquid> The Giver file sharing package is extremely buggy. Is there any plans for forward progress on it? It's very promising and very slick when it works.
[02:48] <greg-g> liquid: that is probably a better question for the developers of that application
[02:48] <liquid> ok
[02:49] <EagleScreen> incorrect working of kpackagekit/policykit-kde; i think there is a problem with one of them
[02:49] <liquid> What bugs are addressed here? Forgive me, I've never been here before.
[02:49] <liquid> I guess what I'm asking - what's the scope?
[02:51] <EagleScreen> kpackagekit call policykit-kde to autenticate for installing packages, but kpackagekit gives you autentication error before you type password in policykit-kde dialog
[02:51] <liquid> ?
[02:53] <greg-g> liquid: the scope of this channel is for triaging bugs in Ubuntu
[02:53] <liquid> How about this: If you log in remotely using XDMCP, you cannot unlock any interface requiring admin prriveleges.
[02:54] <liquid> thanks greg-g
[02:55] <greg-g> liquid: and it is a good idea to reference a reported bug (in launchpad.net) when trying to triage something, as others who are not here at the moment can still look/help later
[02:55] <liquid> The problem I'm talking about with XDMCP I first noticed in Hardy, and it still seems to exist in Intrepd
[02:55] <liquid> Let me log into launchpad
[02:55] <liquid> uno momento
[02:56] <greg-g> liquid: then best bet is to search LP for that bug and see if it is already reported.  if not, report it. if it is, see if there is anything helpful you can add to the bug report
[02:56] <liquid> 230656
[02:56] <liquid> ?
[02:56] <greg-g> and I don't know much about XDMCP, so, I can't be of much help to debug it
[02:56] <liquid> ah ok
[02:56] <greg-g> bug 230656
[02:56] <hggdh> bug 230656
[02:56] <liquid> yep, that's the one
[02:57] <hggdh> hum. I remember something about policykit
[02:58] <liquid> yeah
[02:58] <liquid> there are policykit errors all over the syslog
[02:58] <liquid> I'm willing to help fix it, if I can
[02:58] <hggdh> there you go. Did you search for policykit reported bugs?
[02:59] <greg-g> might be helpful to attach the syslog when the problem occurs, then
[02:59] <hggdh> hum. Bug 187585
[02:59] <liquid> No... you think this is systemic of a triaged bug in policykit?
[02:59] <liquid> hmm
[02:59] <liquid> looks like that's a viable culprit for sure
[03:00] <hggdh> it would be really good to have the policykit errors you see in the log
[03:01] <liquid> well, i'll post them when I'm in the office next
[03:01] <liquid> actually...
[03:01] <liquid> I think someone may have posted it in our in-house mantis site
[03:02] <liquid> let me check
[03:02] <liquid> I might be able to get them to you now-ish
[03:02] <hggdh> the above bug comments on a workaround available on bug 221363
[03:03] <liquid> I didn;t know NX was related to XDMCP
[03:04] <hggdh> liquid, I personally do not think this is particular to XDMCP, but probably something common to any remote session
[03:04] <liquid> ok
[03:05] <liquid> you know, this might be realted to another problem I've been having (Although it's a stretch...)
[03:06] <liquid> After upgrading a server from hardy to intrepid, I cannot forward x apps over ssh without enormous delays and a ton of error messages about orbit of stderr
[03:06] <liquid> the 'fix' if you will, for that is to run dbus-launch command
[03:06] <liquid> it looks like dbus has some problems with x
[03:06] <liquid> because if you look at bug 221363, they reference dbus
[03:07] <liquid> sorry, I meant 'orbit on stderr' (not 'of')
[03:08] <hggdh> it might
[03:09] <liquid> I would like to contribute to the ubuntu project, actually
[03:09] <liquid> I don't know much about linux dev
[03:09] <liquid> however
[03:10] <hggdh> a good thing to do is look at bugs.debian.org (our upstream for pk, it seems)
[03:10] <liquid> thanks
[03:10] <liquid> I'll use that in the future
[03:13] <hggdh> real upstream development seems to be centred at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PolicyKit
[03:13] <liquid> interesting
[03:14] <hggdh> so now you have a lot of pointers to search, and help resolve/triage the problem. Welcome to bug triaging!
[03:14] <liquid> yay!
[03:14] <liquid> the policykit team has it pretty easy, 33 bugs?! pfft!
[03:15] <hggdh> most of the times it seems to work quite nicely...
[03:15] <liquid> defiantely
[03:15] <liquid> maybe the problem is dbus
[03:16] <hggdh> perhaps... also, please keep in mind we may be talking about different versions of pk on Ubuntu, Debian, and upstream; also, what you saw upstream are the *open* bugs... this might have been corrected on a patch that we did not get
[03:17] <liquid> hmm
[03:17] <hggdh> welcome ;-)
[03:17] <liquid> true that
[03:17] <hggdh> so now you need to look at it all, trying to find the infamous needle in the haystack
[03:18] <liquid> oh baby
[03:18] <liquid> :)
[03:18] <liquid> Good thing we have hardcore debugging tools in linux, like gdb :)
[03:20] <hggdh> also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18948 sounds interesting
[03:21] <hggdh> anyway. You know what to look for now. And your knowledge of policykit is as good as mine...
[03:21] <liquid> yeah, I'm reading that one now
[03:21] <liquid> cool, we can work through this *togethor* ! (High fives)
[03:22] <hggdh> :-) only one problem: it is late here, and I gotta stop & hit the pillow
[03:22] <liquid> ok
[03:22] <hggdh> liquid, please document what you find in the LP bug
[03:22] <liquid> Hey, thanks for answering my questions with sincerity
[03:22] <hggdh> my pleasure
[03:22] <liquid> k
[03:22] <liquid> night
[03:22] <hggdh> g'night
[06:14] <dholbach> good morning
[10:36] <CrownAmbassador> I'm in the process of reporting a bug with a internet connection. I can't get a wired connection. Troubleshooted till I'm blue in the face! Does anyone know as what pakage I can report this bug?
[10:42] <BUGabundo> CrownAmbassador: NM?
[10:42] <BUGabundo> apport-cli -fp network-manager
[10:42] <BUGabundo> linux is also a good choise!
[10:46] <CrownAmbassador> BUGabundo: Thanks. I will have a look
[11:04] <CrownAmbassador> New bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/319553
[11:08] <andresmujica> CRown, could you explain a litle bit more your report?
[11:09] <andresmujica> what i{ m understanding is that you connect your ADSL modem to your ETH0 wired connection and you don't get an ip, so you can't access the Internet via wired?
[11:11] <CrownAmbassador> andresmujica: What is ETHO?
[11:11] <andresmujica> eth0 your wired interface
[11:11] <CrownAmbassador> oh! hehe
[11:11] <CrownAmbassador> Didn't get the caps
[11:11] <andresmujica> :)
[11:11] <CrownAmbassador> That is basically it yes.
[11:11] <andresmujica> ok
[11:12] <andresmujica> please add to your report the file /etc/network/interfaces
[11:13] <andresmujica> also, you're not making any PPPOE for the ADSL, right?
[11:14] <CrownAmbassador> I feel like such a newbie today and this is humbling me! hehe. What is pppoe?
[11:15] <CrownAmbassador> report updated
[11:16] <andresmujica> ok, attach the output from the following files:
[11:16] <andresmujica> /var/log/syslog
[11:16] <andresmujica> lspci -vvv
[11:16] <andresmujica> uname -a
[11:16] <andresmujica> dmesg
[11:17] <CrownAmbassador> How can i get the entire output of dmesg? i cuts it off at the top.
[11:17] <andresmujica> sudo dmesg > dmesg-output.log
[11:18] <CrownAmbassador> ok
[11:19] <andresmujica> PPPOE: It's a technology that let you connect to ADSL, if you need to put an username and password to connect to the internet via ADSL from windows using something like a dial-up connection?
[11:22] <andresmujica> Crown, please add the info as separate attachments, no need to put that in the description, you add a new comment and attach the file
[11:24] <andresmujica> one more thing when you go to NetworkManager applet and clic on edit connections, do you have an Auto eth0 interface at the Wired tab?
[11:24] <CrownAmbassador> yes i do
[11:25] <CrownAmbassador> Do you want me to put the other output in as a attachement? (the ones I already added)
[11:28] <andresmujica> oh yes please, that would be great
[11:28] <andresmujica> oo i mean the ones that are missing
[11:28] <andresmujica> no need to put the first one again, don't worry
[11:30] <CrownAmbassador> Okay. Sorry for taking so long.
[11:31] <andresmujica> no prob.
[11:31] <CrownAmbassador> Do I have to manually put things like lspci -vvv in a log file or just past it in the comments?
[11:32] <andresmujica> in a log file as attachment pls
[11:33] <andresmujica> sudo lspci -vvv > lspci-log
[11:42] <schmiedc> hi
[11:43] <schmiedc> are there any diagrams about the bug-lifecycle available somewhere?
[11:43] <andresmujica> at the wiki you{ ll find somw workflow diagrams and some stat graphs
[11:44] <andresmujica> wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[11:44] <CrownAmbassador> andresmujica: added the attachements. I don't need to put the username in with windows, but I tried that with ubuntu when running something. can really remember what I ran, but it brought up a blue screen asking me about my network interfaces.
[11:46] <andresmujica> yeap, i'm checking the attachs...
[11:46] <schmiedc> andresmujica: thx
[11:46] <andresmujica> ok don't worry it seems thatt your eth0 is unmanaged.
[11:46] <andresmujica> let me check one more thing
[11:48] <andresmujica> i'm gonna put a comment at the report so you check the link and try the workaround described there...
[11:48] <andresmujica> i've gotta go now, so i'll check your input at the report.
[11:48] <andresmujica> later on
[11:52] <CrownAmbassador> cool. thanks
[13:22] <CrownAmbassador> I know this is way off the topic of this room, but does anybody know of a java irc client that will run on a java enabled phone?
[13:22] <CrownAmbassador> Not jmirc
[13:56] <steve555> Hi everyone.
[15:09] <savvas> hm.. Bug #23568, bug #140934 and bug #304767 link to upstream http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354661
[15:11] <savvas> they're all the same, but which one should do I use as a master bug?
[15:11] <savvas> Ah, private. I don't know about that one :P
[15:37] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 to kick off in #ubuntu-classroom in 23 minutes! :-)
[16:22] <MrKanister> Hello pedro_
[16:48] <pedro_> hola MrKanister
[16:49] <MrKanister> pedro_: How are things?
[16:50] <pedro_> MrKanister: going great, how about you?
[16:50] <MrKanister> couldn't be better :)
[16:51] <MrKanister> pedro_: I think I should add some more bugs to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090122
[16:51] <pedro_> MrKanister: omg did you already started? ;-)
[16:51] <pedro_> MrKanister: yeah feel free to add some more ;-)
[16:51] <MrKanister> pedro_: I couldn't resist :P
[16:52]  * pedro_ hugs the super MrKanister
[16:52]  * MrKanister hugs pedro_ back
[16:52] <pedro_> MrKanister: are you using 5-a-day to keep track of that work?
[16:52] <MrKanister> pedro_: I got a free Tuesday so I had a lot of time.
[16:53] <MrKanister> pedro_: Yep, I am using 5-a-day
[16:53]  * MrKanister thinks that is is more work to add all the bugs to 5-a-day than to work on them
[16:54] <pedro_> MrKanister: yeah, got some comments about that too
[16:54] <pedro_> MrKanister: dholbach and bdmurray are working in having some automated way to do that
[16:54] <MrKanister> pedro_: I like automated things ;)
[16:55] <MrKanister> pedro_: How about  a separate page for the bug day with a button next to them to mark them as being worked on?
[16:55] <MrKanister> * next to the bugs
[16:56] <pedro_> MrKanister: you said something like the "mark as reviewed" button we have at the harvest page?
[16:56] <pedro_> http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/handler.py?pkg=nautilus <-
[16:57] <MrKanister> pedro_: Yes, imagined something like that (btw: In Harvest it is not always working)
[16:59] <pedro_> MrKanister: m i like that idea, but it maybe be difficult to know how is working on what, you know for doing a basic stats at the end of the hug day
[16:59] <pedro_> MrKanister: what do you mean ? dholbach is the right man to ask about harvest
[16:59] <dholbach> in a session right now
[16:59] <dholbach> known bug, didn't have the time to look into it, sorry
[17:00] <MrKanister> pedro_: I think if the pages is connect to launchpad (for example with OpenID) it should be possible to register who clicked the button
[17:06] <EagleScreen> is bluetooth officially broken in kubuntu 8.10?
[19:00] <mnemo> can someone check if "software sources" is broken on jaunty?
[19:00] <mnemo> if I select "System::Administration::Software Sources" ... nothing happens
[19:00] <mnemo> no window
[19:00] <mnemo> and if I run "gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk
[19:00] <mnemo> "
[19:00] <mnemo> then I get this creepy error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/107894/
[19:03] <asomething> mnemo: happens here as well
[19:03] <greg-g> mnemo: you might want to submit the crash file it talks about
[19:04] <greg-g> navigate to /var/crash/ and double click on the "_usr_bin_software-properties-gtk.0.crash" file
[19:04] <greg-g> don't worry, it will be private to begin with so someone can make sure there aren't any passwords in the report
[19:04] <greg-g> private == only trusted individuals can see it
[19:05] <mnemo> greg-g: why isnt it automatically submitted? my system used to display this nice apport GUI but not anymore
[19:05] <mnemo> is apport also broken right now in jaunty??
[19:06] <greg-g> mnemo: don't know, separate issue, go ahead and submit this bug first :)
[19:06] <mnemo> will do
[19:06]  * greg-g isn't running jaunty yet :)
[19:06] <asomething> mnemo: I got the apport dialog but it wouldn't submit due to some sort of time out error.
[19:07] <mnemo> I got 7 unique unsubmitted (because I know I've not seen apport GUI so far in jaunty) reports in /var/crash
[19:08] <asomething>  Could not upload report data to crash database: <urlopen error The read operation timed out>
[19:08] <mnemo> same here
[19:10] <pedro_> asomething, mnemo, that's known: bug 314212
[19:10] <mnemo> ops that should be pretty high priority I guess... many bugs are currently flying under the radar due to this problem
[19:11] <circuitfire> does anyone know of a resolution to gcalctool failing to start due to a libcairopango error?
[19:12] <pedro_> circuitfire: could you paste the error on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[19:12] <pedro_> circuitfire: which version of gcalctool is causing the issue for you?
[19:14] <circuitfire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/107908/
[19:15] <circuitfire> not sure about the versionm
[19:16] <circuitfire> pedro_: info ^^
[19:17] <pedro_> circuitfire: just open a terminal and type apt-cache policy gcalctool
[19:17] <pedro_> circuitfire: thanks, i'll have a look
[19:18] <pedro_> circuitfire: is libpango1.0-0 installed? looks like a broken installation
[19:19] <circuitfire> pedro_: Installed: 5.24.1-0ubuntu1
[19:19] <circuitfire> pedro_: ^^ that was for gcalctool
[19:19] <pedro_> circuitfire: ok, may you check the libpango package?
[19:20] <circuitfire> pedro_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/107911/
[19:21] <circuitfire> pedro_: ^^ for apt-cache libpango
[19:23] <pedro_> circuitfire: ok, could you try to reinstall both packages ?
[19:24] <circuitfire> pedro_: is there an aptitude command for that?
[19:25] <andersk> aptitude reinstall packagenames
[19:25] <circuitfire> ty
[19:26] <pedro_> brb testing an update
[19:31] <circuitfire> problem persists .. after reinstall of gcalctool and libpango1.0-0 .. same error as before
[22:26] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping
[22:27] <bdmurray> hggdh: hello
[22:33] <maxb> Hi. On my Aspire One running Jaunty, network-manager can't see the wireless device (AR5007EG card, AR2425 chip) when running the Jaunty kernel. It works if I boot the remnant Intrepid kernel instead.
[22:33] <maxb> I could use some guidance figuring out what to report to make a useful bug, as well as whether it needs to be filed against linux or network-manager
[22:40] <hggdh> bdmurray, I am getting a failure when installing the new lp_patches.user.js
[22:40] <dtchen> maxb: is the nic enumerated in userspace at all when you boot the jaunty kernel?  (and which jaunty kernel?)
[22:41] <bdmurray> hggdh: click on the green download arrow on the far right not the thing on the far left
[22:41] <hggdh> and then open with ffox, correct?
[22:42] <bdmurray> gm pops up for me and says "this is a gm user script..."
[22:42] <hggdh> it does not for me...
[22:43] <hggdh> trying a brand new ffox session.
[22:43] <maxb> dtchen: It works sufficiently that I can "iwlist wlan0 scan" and see APs. Kernel 2.6.28-4.11
[22:44] <hggdh> bdmurray, dat iz ferry veird. Closed ffox, re-opened it, went to the link, and now GM pops in
[22:45] <bdmurray> hggdh: it happens sometimes to me too
[22:46] <hggdh> heh. At least I am not alone...
[22:46] <dtchen> maxb: ok, so the affected source package question is answered.
[22:48] <dtchen> maxb: take a look at /var/log/daemon.log for debug, and try using nm-tool(1) for further info
[22:50] <dtchen> maxb: also, you may wish to ensure that lshal/hal-get-property still reports the same info for your wireless hw for both kernels you've tested
[22:52] <maxb> dtchen: nm-tool says "State: unavailable" about the wireless device. I've dumped lshal output, and will reboot and get the counterpart. What would I do with hal-get-property?
[22:53] <dtchen> maxb: h-g-p just allows you to drill down/filter for specific key/values; lshal will likely suffice in this context
[22:53] <maxb> oh dear, I feel silly. It thinks the rfkill is active
[22:54] <maxb> Unfortunately, the rfkill is just a physically stateless button in this case, which makes things harder
[22:54] <maxb> (pressing it doesn't help)
[22:56] <maxb> Also:   (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2)  .... where do I look up the reason code?
[22:59] <maxb> Huh, right, so the killswitch does toggle the radio (as shown by whether iwlist wlan0 scan works or not)
[22:59] <maxb> But /sys/devices/platform/acer-wmi/rfkill/rfkill0/state remains "0" throughout
[23:01] <dtchen> maxb: i recommend adding a linux task to that bug, then
[23:08] <maxb> dtchen: Thanks for the nudging in the right direction. Turns out that "rmmod acer_wmi" gets things working!
[23:08]  * maxb heads to Malone
[23:19] <hggdh> in what package is the Ubuntu installer?
[23:20] <bdmurray> ubiquity for the graphical one
[23:20] <hggdh> thanks