[00:43] <sml1226> Hey guys I just put xubu on my ps3 and have all kinds of problems
[00:44] <sml1226> It won't let me access any folders
[00:44] <sml1226> xfce keeps disabling itself as desktop manager
[00:44] <sml1226> What do I do???
[00:47] <sml1226> Hello ppl???
[00:57] <sml1226> :-(
[00:57] <sml1226> please help me
[01:02] <R[a]ndom> sml1226, don't pm random people
[01:02] <R[a]ndom> if anyone is available we'll help
[01:02] <sml1226> sorry man
[01:03] <sml1226> is there anybody here???
[01:09] <pleia2> sml1226: you probably want to try a channel/forum that specifically addresses xubuntu on a ps3
[01:11] <sml1226> Where can I find that???
[01:13] <sml1226_> plela2 u still there?
[01:13] <pleia2> sml1226: looks like you want to try http://psubuntu.com/
[01:13] <sml1226_> ok thanks man
[01:20] <sml1226> trying to use ubu to get back to xubu cuz psubuntu was no help at all
[01:22] <retour> ubuntu is ubuntu the only difference in name is if you use Gnome or Xfce
[03:03] <Grant-A|busy> does gufw require root permissions to be effective?
[03:04] <gartral> hello, whats the steps for getting flash/java working in xubuntu
[03:04] <gartral> ?
[03:04] <Grant-A|busy> gartral: Platform?
[03:05] <gartral> xubuntu latest
[03:05] <Grant-A|busy> no, x32 or x86_64?
[03:06] <Grant-A|busy> what is your processor?
[03:06] <gartral> unfortunetly, im dealing with a total idiot, acting as an intermidery, and he feels too overwhelmed to ask here, i assume its 32, however, hes rather cluless when came too windows, and is pretty much vompletly lost in any linux
[03:07] <Grant-A|busy> flash works pretty well on both platforms now in ubuntu
[03:07] <Grant-A|busy> so let me dig up the commands for both
[03:07] <gartral> no commands, please, this is the fifth time hes reinstalled >.>
[03:08] <gartral> it really would be best if we could do this through the gui
[03:08] <Grant-A|busy> it's a simple apt-get command
[03:08] <gartral> hes already screwed that up five time, trust me
[03:09] <Grant-A|busy> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java6-jre
[03:09] <Grant-A|busy> that should install everything you need
[03:09] <gartral> thats what i found in the forums, and hes botched it five times...
[03:09] <Grant-A|busy> hmm
[03:09] <Grant-A|busy> do you know what is processor is?
[03:10] <gartral> i already said, were assuming 32
[03:10] <Grant-A|busy> I don't know how you botch that 5 times
[03:10] <Grant-A|busy> does he have firefox installed?
[03:10] <gartral> neither do i, but hes totally cluless
[03:10] <gartral> yes, thats base package, isnt it?
[03:11] <Grant-A|busy> Depends on your version of ubuntu
[03:11] <gartral> xubuntu, latest 8.10
[03:11] <Grant-A|busy> ehh
[03:11] <Grant-A|busy> open synaptic
[03:11] <gartral> six times... he just reformatted the main drive...
[03:11] <Grant-A|busy> O_o
[03:12] <gartral> c l u e l e s s
[03:12] <Grant-A|busy> it's ok, we were all there at one time
[03:12] <Grant-A|busy> ;)
[03:12] <Grant-A|busy> type gksu synaptic in a terminal
[03:13] <Grant-A|busy> that will open a GUI for installing programs
[03:13] <gartral> brandon = terminalphobia
[03:13] <Grant-A|busy> oh wait, he's on xubuntu?
[03:13] <Grant-A|busy> Applications -> System -> Synaptic
[03:13] <Grant-A|busy> enter the root password
[03:13] <Grant-A|busy> then search for flash
[03:13] <Grant-A|busy> check flashplugin-nonfree
[03:14] <Grant-A|busy> then search for jre
[03:14] <Grant-A|busy> and check sun-java6-jre
[03:14] <Grant-A|busy> then hit apply
[03:14] <gartral> you dont need to designate the nonfree packages?
[03:14] <gartral> hes just installed
[03:14] <gartral> and at prettymuch zeroconfig
[03:14] <Grant-A|busy> Xubuntu 8.10 doesn't require that multi-verse thing anymore
[03:15] <Grant-A|busy> *multiverse configuration
[03:15] <Grant-A|busy> it should just ask when you try to install, just hit ok if that happens
[03:15] <gartral> ok, thats explains why he didnt find it when i told him too look
[03:15] <Grant-A|busy> when jre asks to agree to the Sun EULA, scrolldown and check the box, and press accept
[03:16] <Grant-A|busy> then wait for it to finish and you should be done
[03:16] <gartral> ok, lets put it this way, he thinks synaptic is in firefox
[03:17] <Grant-A|busy> ...
[03:17] <gartral> when i say cluless, i mean clueless like the former president clueless
[03:19] <Grant-A|busy> wow, um
[03:19] <Grant-A|busy> I can't really explain this any other way...
[03:19] <Grant-A|busy> actually...
[03:19] <Grant-A|busy> you COULD install it from firefox
[03:20] <Grant-A|busy> it may be a bit more difficult, though
[03:20] <gartral> but you have too hunt down the packages
[03:20] <Grant-A|busy> much simpler, actually
[03:20] <gartral> and there deps
[03:20] <Grant-A|busy> go to a website using flash, and when it says missing plugins, click the little popup, and do as it says
[03:21] <gartral> and here we go, he finally got it, god
[03:21] <Grant-A|busy> through firefox?
[03:21] <gartral> nah, synaptic
[03:21] <Grant-A|busy> alright
[03:21] <Grant-A|busy> good luck with Linux
[03:22] <gartral> heh, ill tell him, im running a different distro, and the layouts way different
[03:22] <Grant-A|busy> oh, it's not installed yet?
[03:22] <gartral> huh?
[03:23] <Grant-A|busy> flash and java
[03:23] <Grant-A|busy> you may want to teach him to use the terminal
[03:23] <gartral> you relise, ths helps being relayed, this isnt on my system, and i said, he has severe terminal-phobia
[03:24] <gartral> ok, where all good
[03:24] <gartral> thank you all
[03:24] <Grant-A|busy> you're welcome
[03:24] <Grant-A|busy> happy to help
[03:25] <gartral> i have yet too use the latest ubuntu, i had severe issues with thermal overloads in dapper and havent touched it since
[03:25] <Grant-A|busy> dapper was over two years ago
[03:26] <Grant-A|busy> thermal overloads? When was the last time you cleaned your fan?
[03:26] <gartral> not a fan issue, its just an old AMD newark, 05 series, the system has a liquid coolant system and still overheats
[03:27] <Grant-A|busy> oh
[03:27] <Grant-A|busy> I'm not real big on hardware
[03:27] <gartral> crappy hardware, nothing i can do
[03:27] <Grant-A|busy> laptop?
[03:27] <gartral> yea >.>
[03:27] <Grant-A|busy> buy a new one?
[03:27] <gartral> no money
[03:28] <gartral> i literally have $75 a month for food
[03:28] <Grant-A|busy> what country?
[03:28] <gartral> USA
[03:29] <MisterFlibble> gartral: Find a job
[03:29] <Grant-A|busy> hmm
[03:29] <gartral> im on SSI, and they dicked me for $ on my birthday
[03:29] <Grant-A|busy> you're making BELOW minimum wage? O_o
[03:29] <gartral> i cant work, im multiple dissability
[03:29] <MisterFlibble> gartral: Too "sad" to work?
[03:29] <MisterFlibble> mmhm
[03:29] <Grant-A|busy> ignore MisterFlibble, he's a troll
[03:30] <MisterFlibble> Social Security is just a program for fakers
[03:30] <gartral> between having half a leg, and rare lung condition, i can leave my house much
[03:30] <MisterFlibble> people that need it can't get it
[03:30] <MisterFlibble> cause of all the "I'm sad" cheaters
[03:31] <Grant-A|busy> gartral: Have you considered working in the Informations Technology field?
[03:31] <gartral> no degrees
[03:31] <Grant-A|busy> you don't need one
[03:31] <Grant-A|busy> ...for certain things
[03:31] <MisterFlibble> SSI can pay anything from $623 to like $2,000 or so a month I think
[03:32] <Grant-A|busy> selling websites doesn't require a degree
[03:32] <gartral> never finished high school cause the track and feild couch ran me till my leg clotted, the it was amputated
[03:32] <MisterFlibble> depending on your income before you were on it
[03:32] <Grant-A|busy> gartral: You didn't sue?
[03:32] <gartral> they won the case with the staement of "we were never made awear of any prior health issue in your family"
[03:33] <gartral> more cause the lawer apointed too me at the time was a fucking pig
[03:33] <gartral> excuse my language
[03:33] <MisterFlibble> The government covers their ass retroactively, and the hearing is decided by a government judge
[03:33] <MisterFlibble> don't you love the hypocrisy?
[03:33] <gartral> yea
[03:33] <gartral> no, MisterFlibble, its an idiocracy
[03:34] <MisterFlibble> so then you have to hire a bloodsucking lawyer and fight them for a year or three
[03:34] <gartral> with what?
[03:34] <gartral> my "good looks?:
[03:34] <MisterFlibble> they'll work on contingent
[03:34] <MisterFlibble> they only get paid if you win
[03:35] <Grant-A|busy> you could try selling websites
[03:35] <MisterFlibble> the SSI pays you a certain back pay
[03:35] <MisterFlibble> the lawyer takes part of that
[03:35] <gartral> yea, he still is..
[03:35] <gartral> a year after he fucked me
[03:35] <MisterFlibble> You have to be careful what lawyer you hire
[03:36] <gartral> one of the friedmen domino and smith asses
[03:37] <MisterFlibble> heh
[03:37] <gartral> anyway, if i could rewind a year or two, ide just avoid lakewood as a city all together, and wouldnt be here
[03:37] <MisterFlibble> I had a case in the court system at one point, and my lawyer lost paperwork she needed for my case
[03:38] <MisterFlibble> and I was lucky the judge gave me a continence or I'd still be in jail
[03:38] <MisterFlibble> *Continuance
[03:39] <MisterFlibble> I love how our system works, it says "innocent til proven guilty" but what really happens is the state charges you with a crime and you have to spend thousands on a lawyer to prove you didn't do it
[03:39] <MisterFlibble> and you don't get that back, even if you're not guilty
[03:40] <gartral> and also, in america, the land of the free, you cant get a job at Buger King or Toxic Bell without a collage diploma
[03:40] <MisterFlibble> uhhhm
[03:40] <MisterFlibble> there's high school dropouts working there
[03:40] <Grant-A|busy> yeah
[03:40] <gartral> not in lakewood ohio
[03:40] <MisterFlibble> the register even counts change for them now
[03:41] <MisterFlibble> you could put a monkey there
[03:41] <Grant-A|busy> why the hell would you go to college to work at burger king?
[03:41] <Grant-A|busy> Collosal.waste.of.money
[03:41] <gartral> ohh, but having animals do the laber is workers right violations
[03:41] <Grant-A|busy> that sounds like discrimination to me based on your disabilities
[03:41] <MisterFlibble> Grant: There's not such thing as needing a college degree to flip hamburgers
[03:42] <Grant-A|busy> I think you've been lied to
[03:42] <MisterFlibble> even their managers don't need them usually
[03:42] <MisterFlibble> just on the job training
[03:42] <Grant-A|busy> our president didn't act like he had one
[03:42] <MisterFlibble> McDonalds hires people off the street
[03:42] <gartral> hah, then why do the all have their degrees posted on the wall?
[03:42] <MisterFlibble> gives them uniforms
[03:42] <MisterFlibble> and pays minimum wage
[03:42] <MisterFlibble> lol
[03:42] <Grant-A|busy> Welcome to McDonalds, would you be interested in giving me change?
[03:43] <MisterFlibble> it's a job for kids and for people that are honestly not competent to do anything else
[03:43] <gartral> no, the unemployment rate in the craphole is way too high too be sustainable
[03:43] <MisterFlibble> They probably can't spell "college"
[03:44] <Grant-A|busy> those diplomas on the walls are most likely city business licenses, land leases, awards, and one of the manager's
[03:44] <MisterFlibble> When they tell you the economy is growing and the unemployment is going through the roof
[03:44] <MisterFlibble> it means "The rich are doing fine, where's the problem?"
[03:44] <MisterFlibble> :)
[03:45] <MisterFlibble> Hopefully our new government will be a little less apathetic to workers, but I doubt it
[03:45] <MisterFlibble> Maybe on the surface at least, Obama won't be an insensitive clod like Bush :P
[03:45] <Grant-A|busy> Well, the only difference is a democratic majority and new commander in chief
[03:45] <Grant-A|busy> the president has very little power
[03:45] <gartral> hah, no, they all bear marking from big name colleges like stanford-brown, ITT, Phoenix, and ohhyea, the manager went too kent state
[03:46] <Grant-A|busy> I highly doubt those are the employee's
[03:46] <gartral> yea they are dudre
[03:46] <MisterFlibble> Grant: The President has lots of power, but he can't use most of it without Congress approving it
[03:46] <MisterFlibble> which is how it should be
[03:46] <Grant-A|busy> no one in hell would go to college just to work at minimum wage for the rest of their lives...
[03:46] <MisterFlibble> 15 year olds work at BK and McD
[03:46] <MisterFlibble> not college graduates
[03:47] <Grant-A|busy> hmm
[03:48] <Grant-A|busy> I looked up his IP address...
[03:48] <Grant-A|busy> it's not from anywhere in Ohio...
[03:48] <gartral> it not that they WANT too, its that, booger fling and toxic hell are the only places left too work, unless youed rather work a Caribou Coffee, or the Library, or perhaps free-lance journalist.... all of which pay SHIT i might add
[03:48] <gartral> duh.. proxy
[03:48] <gartral> 75.33.65.127
[03:48] <Grant-A|busy> burger king and taco bell pay less than the other places...
[03:49] <Grant-A|busy> minimum wage is $8 an hour, and they only work 12 hour days
[03:49] <gartral> no, sadly, they honestly pay more, the other 3 pay 6 and under, and i dont know how they get away with it
[03:50] <MisterFlibble> minimum wage is $6.50 an hour, and it will be $.7.25 this May
[03:50] <Grant-A|busy> ((8*12)*7)*4 =
[03:50] <MisterFlibble> anything over 40 hours is time and a half
[03:50] <MisterFlibble> by law
[03:50] <gartral> and my frind says that the media plugins arnt working after installation
[03:51] <Grant-A|busy> people who work full time at burger king and taco bell only make $2,688 a month, add all utility, food, and housing bills, and that leaves them with $300 a month
[03:51] <gartral> honstly, you really think a search by ip is reliable?
[03:52] <gartral> yea, and SSI pays me under 1200
[03:52] <Grant-A|busy> I'm not going to argue anymore... you aren't making sense...
[03:53] <gartral> anyway, this is severly OT, my frin says he cant get flash working still
[03:56] <gartral> ok, so what, your all went clueless?
[03:56] <Grant-A|busy> I've explained it every way I can...
[03:57] <Grant-A|busy> sorry
[03:58] <gartral> is it that, or have you just tooken a cold shoulder too me for being a complaining cripple?
[03:58] <Grant-A|busy> um no... I explained to you every possible way to install it
[03:58] <gartral> really, be honest, you wont hurt me much more than i already am
[03:59] <gartral> ugh.... clueless moron, hes had KUBUNTU on his system this whole time!
[04:00] <Grant-A|busy> he needs a terminal in that case, because adept is broken
[04:00] <Grant-A|busy> well, konsole in this case
[04:00] <gartral> yet he just rebooted and it works anyway >.>
[04:01] <gartral> ok, now im baffled there
[04:01] <Grant-A|busy> < 30 second reboot?
[04:03] <gartral> no, he dissapeared a few minutes ago
[04:03] <Grant-A|busy> oh
[04:03] <gartral> i was just too busy typing too notice
[04:04] <gartral> hes so clueless, he needs help finding volume controls..
[04:09] <afroken> hi, whats the best way to install nvidia drivers on intrepid ?
[04:10] <Grant-A|busy> the jockey pop-up didn't come?
[04:11] <Grant-A|busy> Applications > System > Hardware Drivers
[04:11] <Grant-A|busy> Then select the NVidia driver that corresponds with your car
[04:11] <Grant-A|busy> *card
[04:11] <afroken> Grant-A|busy, actually i'm running server+xfce i don't have application>system etc...
[04:12] <Grant-A|busy> ah, I am not sure then
[04:12] <afroken> infact i dont have "applications" at all...
[04:16] <gartral> youll need too know the name of the file, and use wget from terminal
[04:53] <forces> saluton
[05:37] <judgen> quote of the day: How could you compete, they are smart enough to have mastered space travel. While you are a emotionally crippled buffoon with a Napoleon complex."
[05:37] <judgen> =)
[05:37] <judgen> Roughly translated maybe..
[08:18] <jarnos> Hi! I wonder why I can see group audio by groups command, but not by the graphical utility.
[08:25] <ball> group audio what?
[08:29] <jarnos> ball: I meant a group called "audio".
[08:30] <ball> oh.
[08:30] <tajlero> File and image hosting sites that do not require registration list. http://pastebin.ca/raw/1314460
[08:39] <MisterFlibble> I want to know why Gstreamer still has that bug that tints my video playback blue
[08:39] <MisterFlibble> I've seen that come and go since 7.04
[09:44] <selyoursoul> i'm having a problem writing to my external drive (ntfs).  i've tried drag/drop, copy/paste via gui, and copy via terminal.  no go.  i also installed  ntfs configuration tool and enabled write support for external drive.  nothing seems to work.
[09:48] <knome> !ntfs
[09:48] <selyoursoul> i can see my drive and copy files from it.  it seems to auto mount fine.  i've installed ntfs-3g
[09:49] <knome> any output if you try to copy from terminal
[09:49] <knome> ?
[09:50] <selyoursoul> knome:  no
[09:51] <knome> hmmh.
[09:51] <knome> i'm already out of ideas.
[09:51] <selyoursoul> that's what has been lurking in the back of my head all day.....hmmmm, ha, ha
[09:52] <selyoursoul> i'm new to linux and i figured maybe i'm too stupid, being a windows user and all
[11:53] <KosiNuss> hi, how can i update xfce to version 4.6? is there a repo already?
[11:54] <KosiNuss> on xubuntu 8.10
[12:03] <TheSheep> there was a repository, but I'm not sure it still works
[12:04] <TheSheep> it's generally a bad idea though, it's not finished yet
[12:11] <KosiNuss> i think i can wait till its final release in about 2 weeks
[12:19] <jarnos> KosiNuss: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive
[12:20] <KosiNuss> ty
[12:23] <tingle> KosiNuss: there gonna be a new release of xubuntu in two weeks?
[12:24] <KosiNuss> yes, official release date is feb 2nd
[12:24] <KosiNuss> sry on feb 6th
[12:24] <KosiNuss> http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.6/milestones
[12:26] <tingle> KosiNuss: thanks alot!
[12:27] <tingle> hmz issnt that just a new release from xfce?
[12:28] <tingle> nevermind i read it correctly now
[12:39] <atari_> is ther a useful way to use bluetooth on xubuntu? any tool or so?
[12:40] <knome> !bluetooth
[12:41] <knome> !info bluetooth
[12:41] <atari_> no. not the ubuntu one... i just get nautlius startet all the time etc...
[12:41] <atari_> s/startet/started
[12:41] <atari_> is there really only the ubuntu way to use bluetooth on xubuntu?
[12:42] <knome> i use bluetooth with hcitool, sdptool, obexfs ...
[12:42] <knome> !info bluetooth-applet
[12:42] <knome> i have to go ->
[12:42] <knome> i hope you get it sorted out.
[12:42] <atari_> knome: the bluetooth-applet alway starts nautilus which messes up with xfce
[12:58] <judgen> atari_ dont run naulius fully then. run it without the desktop.
[12:58] <judgen> just the file manager.
[12:58] <atari_> how can i tell it not to run the desktop part?
[12:59] <TheSheep> via command-line option
[13:00] <TheSheep> see nautilus --help
[13:00] <atari_> and how? i used the gnome-bluetooth app
[13:00] <atari_> and that starts nautilus
[13:04] <TheSheep> well, start it yourself before it does
[13:52] <Pres-Gas> Hey all.
[14:38] <taw> has anybody used xubuntu + multi-head workstation without xinerama?
[14:48] <Pres-Gas> taw, what graphics card to you have?
[15:15] <Ratty> Hey, can anyone tell me why using the following command grub fails to locate the file : find /boot/grub/stage1
[15:15] <Ratty> The file is in /boot/grub
[15:16] <Ratty> Even though it keeps on saying tgat it doesnt exist
[15:24] <atari_> taw: yes
[15:24] <atari_> taw: but i use the nvidia xinerama like emulation
[15:26] <Pres-Gas> Ratty, the way you did your command...it is telling find to start looking in the DIRECTORY /boot/grub/stage1. stage1 is a file and that is why you are getting the error
[15:27] <Pres-Gas> Ratty, read this over to get a handle on find.  http://www.linux.com/articles/55377
[15:28] <Pres-Gas> It is a great tool, but the syntax is hard...I had the worst time getting the hang of it, but now I love it.
[15:28] <Ratty> Pres-Gas: good point, but does still not work without the wacky
[15:28] <atari_> do you have a separate /boot/ partition?
[15:29] <Ratty> Nope
[15:29] <Ratty> Default install really
[15:29] <PsynoKhi0> hi, I'm looking for anyone with some experience with Kino
[15:30] <Ratty> 3 partitions... Primary, extended, and swap
[15:30] <Ratty> Dual booting XP
[15:41] <Ratty> Hmmm... For some reason or another the grib gfx package is not installing correctly
[15:41] <Ratty> Using dpkg -i (file)
[15:47] <Ratty> Ahhh so you cant use it on xubuntu since its ext3 partitions use the newer 256 byte inode unlike what grub gfx uses which is 128
[16:04] <taw> Pres-Gas, at the moment one matrox dual-head, and one even older Matrox
[16:05] <taw> but planning to install some dual head ati + that old matrox for third head
[16:14] <knome> atari_, nautilus --no-desktop
[16:19] <atari_> knome: yeah. but that doesnt help... even if i already have started nautilus, it gets started as normal...
[16:27] <knome> atari_, so do you want to browse files on a device?
[16:32] <atari_> knome: yeah
[16:55] <knome> atari_, install obexfs, then "obexfs -b 01:02:03:04:05:06 -B channel -- /mount/point"
[16:56] <knome> atari_, to unmount, "fusermount -u /mount/point"
[16:57] <knome> atari_, and of course replace 01:02... with your device mac
[16:57] <knome> atari_, and channel with obex file transfer channel on you device
[17:02] <atari_> knome: ill try it later
[17:02] <atari_> knome: thanks for the advice :)
[17:06] <knome> atari_, np. just had to find out this yesterday myself
[18:47] <saint-tropez> hey guys!
[18:47] <saint-tropez> i have a q
[18:47] <saint-tropez> can anyone help please?
[18:48] <saint-tropez> i just installed xubuntu, but looks like it loads with GNOME
[18:48] <saint-tropez> not rite button menu and stuff
[18:49] <saint-tropez> any advice?
[18:49] <DaemonXP> GNOME and XFCE share a lot of packages
[18:50] <saint-tropez> i c
[18:50] <saint-tropez> ty
[18:50] <saint-tropez> but still no right button menu... can you advice how to make it more like XFCE?
[18:51] <Pres-Gas> saint-tropez, if you want it more traditional XFCE you will have to go into the settings manager
[18:51] <saint-tropez> ah... k ill try
[18:51] <Pres-Gas> xubu is made to behave very similarly to ubu
[18:51] <saint-tropez> ty both
[18:51] <DaemonXP> yeah, Xubuntu sets XFCE up to basically clone GNOME
[18:52] <saint-tropez> yeah i can see this... now, was a bit scared at first =)
[18:53] <saint-tropez> ty
[18:53] <DaemonXP> The resource usage isn't different enough to make much difference on a reasonable fast machine
[18:53] <DaemonXP> but the menus and file manager load and navigate a lot quicker
[18:53] <saint-tropez> all i need is speed =)
[18:53] <DaemonXP> yep
[19:00] <DaemonXP> http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7817/screenshot7or3.png
[19:01] <DaemonXP> is how mine's set up :P
[19:01] <DaemonXP> XFCE has better themes than GNOME
[19:05] <RediXe> Hello, does Xubuntu not offer to encrypt your hard drive when installing? 8.10
[19:05] <Odd-rationale> RediXe: i beleive you need to use the alternative install disc for that...
[19:05] <Odd-rationale> !alternative | RediXe
[19:10] <lc2> uh so guys
[19:10] <lc2> i had a problem with my xubuntu install cd, and it gave an IO error half way through
[19:11] <lc2> unfortunately, that leaves me in the curious position of having a half-installed xubuntu system
[19:11] <lc2> so, i can't boot it because the install cd thinks that xubuntu is installed, and so boots from the disk
[19:11] <lc2> (as in the hard disk)
[19:12] <lc2> i can't use the one half-installed on the hard disk because well, it's half-installed
[19:12] <lc2> if anyone has some evil genius plan here, please do let me know
[19:13] <Odd-rationale> lc2: reinstalling seems to be the only option... i also reccomend using the alternative install disc... as it seems somewhat more secure...
[19:13] <lc2> Odd-rationale: i can't reinstall, that's the whole problem
[19:14] <Odd-rationale> lc2: you have to change the boot order in the bios...
[19:14] <lc2> Odd-rationale: when i put the install cd in, it boots from it, and i'm guessing it's like "lol there's a ubuntu system on the hard drive, let's boot from that!11"
[19:14] <Odd-rationale> lc2: no, it should ask you whether you want to install, or boot from first hard drive...
[19:15] <lc2> Odd-rationale: if i go to install, it boots me into xubuntu, from my hard drive.
[19:15] <Odd-rationale> lc2: hmm strange... did you check the integrity of the disc?
[19:15] <lc2> Odd-rationale: no i didn't, i had one i had sitting around
[19:16] <lc2> Odd-rationale: but that's not foremost among my concerns at the moment
[19:16] <lc2> somehow being able to get into the installer again, would be great
[19:17] <Odd-rationale> lc2: for some reason, you install disc is not behaving properly... i was wondering whether an incorrect burn could be the issue...
[19:17] <lc2> oh btw i can't even ctrl+alt+Fx to get into a real terminal, because 1) i can't log in 2) getty or whatever it's called these days hasn't installed
[19:17] <lc2> Odd-rationale: no, i suspect it's behaving just as it should, it's seeing i have xubuntu installed on disk, and booting from that rather than CD
[19:18] <lc2> that is, the CD is doing that
[19:18] <Odd-rationale> that's my point... the cd shouldn't be doing that... :P
[19:18] <lc2> that seems like rational behaviour, *if* there was no such thing as a hosed install
[19:18] <lc2> Odd-rationale: i don't think a corrupted CD would cause that
[19:19] <lc2> you know, corrupted CDs mean random corrupted files, not "hey let's boot off another disk entirely"
[19:19] <Odd-rationale> what version of the iso do you have?
[19:19] <lc2> uhh hardy
[19:19] <lc2> in before "upgrade", i like LTS
[19:20] <lc2> well, gonna go play around with boot parameters, brb!
[19:26] <lc2> hey guise, if i do get it to boot fully off the CD again, is there a way i can tell xubuntu to install everything from the internets, rather than from the CD?
[19:26] <lc2> saves me booting into the rootkitted windows installation to download another ISO
[19:26] <lc2> :P
[19:26] <Odd-rationale> lc2: you need to use the mini.iso to download packages from the internet.
[19:27] <Odd-rationale> !mini
[19:27] <Odd-rationale> it is like 10mb...
[19:27] <lc2> Odd-rationale: there's not something i can change on the live cd to do that? ;(
[19:27] <Odd-rationale> nope...
[19:28] <lc2> Odd-rationale: that makes me a sad panda
[19:29] <lc2> hey well, i'm gonna try it from the CD again, then i'll go back to the spam zombie windows installation
[19:31] <lc2> (seriously, that's sending out like a spam every second)
[19:31] <lc2> (the people who own it were like, "lol linux")
[19:32] <lc2> (and i was like "k!")
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> lc2: what are you on right now?
[19:32] <lc2> Odd-rationale: i'm on my own pc, xubuntu
[19:32] <lc2> the one i'm installing on is a rootkitted XP box
[19:32] <Odd-rationale> lc2: can you use the one you are on to burn the mini.iso?
[19:33] <lc2> Odd-rationale: no cd burner ;\
[19:33] <lc2> although the xp box has one
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> i see...
[19:33] <lc2> hmm will the mini iso permit me to install xubuntu?
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> yes
[19:33] <lc2> mm
[19:33] <lc2> so like
[19:33] <lc2> well, i'll try the cd again
[19:33] <lc2> then if it doesn't work try the mini one
[19:33] <Odd-rationale> but be sure you have reliable internet connection...
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> as it downloads everything from the net...
[19:34] <lc2> Odd-rationale: it's reliable
[19:34] <lc2> not very fast, 1mbit ;\
[19:34] <lc2> what UI does the mini iso have?
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> the good side, is that it downloads all newest packages... so you won't have to update after you install...
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> lc2: text-based
[19:34] <Odd-rationale> that is how it can be so small... < 10mb
[19:35] <lc2> truth
[19:35] <lc2> yeah that's looking like a good option right now
[19:44] <lc2> *is booting the rootkit laden, spam-spewing windows install*
[19:56] <saint-tropez> hey
[19:56] <saint-tropez> i have one more question
[19:57] <saint-tropez> well... i don't know how to add layouts and how to make them switch wit Shift+Alt
[19:57] <saint-tropez> with*
[20:04] <lc2> oh shi--------
[20:05] <lc2> uh
[20:05] <lc2> Odd-rationale: will this installer ask me about how i want to partition the disks?
[20:05] <lc2> or is it just gonna nuke everything there
[20:05] <lc2> because it's already downloading stuff
[20:05] <Kiption> it has a partitioner
[20:06] <lc2> Kiption: i meant, the mini-cd's installer
[20:06] <lc2> (in case you missed it)
[20:06] <Kiption> oh
[20:06] <Kiption> i don't know
[20:06] <Kiption> sorry
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> lc2: it will ask you how to partition... (or should)...
[20:07] <lc2> Odd-rationale: nm, i just looked and it did :D
[20:08] <lc2> woohoo :D
[20:08] <lc2> now for downloading like 6 terabytes of stuff
[20:19] <DaemonXP> Ugggh, Midori works just enough to make you like it
[20:19] <DaemonXP> yet enough stuff is missing that you can't use it
[20:20] <malcolmb> ya
[20:21] <malcolmb> that's true
[20:21] <malcolmb> epiphany is a joke as well.  But at least it has a webkit version
[20:22] <saint-tropez> dear all, please advice how to to set keyboard shortcuts for switching between layouts?
[20:23] <Kiption> is sylpheed-claws still a pain?
[20:24] <malcolmb> hmmm, I know other DEs have applets for thah
[20:24] <malcolmb> don't remember xfce having one
[20:25] <Kiption> it has one
[20:25] <Kiption> at least an applet
[20:25] <Kiption> i don't know about a key command
[20:30] <saint-tropez> ok ty
[21:20] <lc2> Odd-rationale: you still there?
[21:20] <slow-motion> hi
[21:21] <lc2> Odd-rationale: so i installed from the mini-cd, and i installed gdm from the command line, how do i make gdm load by default at startup?
[21:21] <lc2> hi slow-motion
[21:21] <slow-motion> hi lc2
[21:22] <TheSheep> lc2: by making apropriate link in /etc/rc.d
[21:22] <Odd-rationale> lc2: i think the command is sudo dpkg-reconfigre gdm
[21:22] <Odd-rationale> *reconfigure
[21:22] <lc2> Odd-rationale: ooh, winrar
[21:22] <lc2> TheSheep: i'll try that if Odd-rationale's idea doesn't work :) cheers
[21:43] <DaemonXP> malcolmb: Epiphany-Webkit breaks compatibility with extensions, has even less settings you can edit
[21:44] <DaemonXP> and pulls in Epiphany Gecko and only sets up a shortcut to that :P
[21:46] <CaelThunderwing> is theres a Netinstall iso for XubuntuPPC
[21:50] <CaelThunderwing> was trying to install 8.04 xubntu ppc on G3 mac towerand it failed when detecting CD Drives and wont contune install from there
[21:51] <lc2> there is for ubuntu but not xubuntu
[21:51] <lc2> which is fine
[21:51] <lc2> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[21:51] <lc2> and you're away
[21:51] <CaelThunderwing> sweet thanks
[21:52] <lc2> 64 or 32 bit
[21:52] <lc2> also, hardy or intrepid?
[21:52] <lc2> the line above the one above was a question
[21:52] <lc2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:52] <lc2> but go there and decide for yourself
[21:53] <CaelThunderwing> 32bit and hardy
[21:53] <CaelThunderwing> its a G3 (300MHZ) mac tower
[21:54] <lc2> ah
[21:54] <lc2> ^ see above
[21:54] <lc2> good luck with that
[21:54] <lc2> wait hold on, how is that gonna work
[21:54] <lc2> booting from an iso if it fails to detect your cd drive
[21:56] <CaelThunderwing> well
[21:56] <CaelThunderwing> it shard to say. where it gets to the stage of "Detect and mount CD-rom"
[21:56] <lc2> hm ;(
[21:56] <CaelThunderwing> it fails there butr boots and runs upto there
[21:57] <lc2> CaelThunderwing: hrm
[21:57] <lc2> well give it a shot
[22:59] <slim_> hi
[23:54] <likemindead> Hello all. Are PCI ethernet cards pretty universally supported? I've never had issues with any.