[00:56] <Ahmuck> the bot is all mine
[00:56] <Ahmuck>  or was
[14:38] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:52] <juliux> hi sbalneav
[15:05] <sbalneav> Hello
[19:04] <nubae> sbalneav: u were looking for me yesterday...
[19:14] <sbalneav> Yeah
[19:14] <sbalneav> I saw a comment on how your fat client script is "unsupported"
[19:14] <nubae> well, unsupported by anyone but me
[19:14] <nubae> seems to be a lot of people installing it
[19:15] <sbalneav> Why not just push it upstream?
[19:15] <sbalneav> then it just becomes part of LTSP
[19:15] <nubae> have to make some changes to the way the users are copied to the fatclient
[19:15] <nubae> right now its not going through ssh
[19:15] <nubae> so its a security issue
[19:16]  * sbalneav shrugs
[19:16] <nubae> and I don't see a easy fix
[19:16] <sbalneav> if it's an optional thing to install, it's not a huge problem
[19:16] <sbalneav> and if it's upstream, then you may ultimately attract more people to it.
[19:16] <sbalneav> To help you with it.
[19:17] <nubae> ok... so how should I go about pushing upstream?
[19:17] <nubae> b4 I do that though, I'd like to implement zentiy for some stuff like choice of packages and input of admin user
[19:17] <sbalneav> Well, I'd say all we need to do is get you added to ltsp-drivers group, then you'd have access to ltsp-trunk
[19:18] <nubae> ok, should I apply somewhere or what?
[19:18] <sbalneav> You in #ltsp?
[19:18] <nubae> yes
[19:25] <mpih> Would it possible to run a 133 Mhz PC as a thin edubuntu client ?
[19:26] <nubae> mpih: not ltsp 5, no
[19:26] <nubae> not unless it has stupid amounts of ram, and even then I'd say no
[19:26] <mpih> I don't think they have a lot of RAM :p
[19:26] <mpih> It might even be as little as 32 mb :o)
[19:27] <nubae> then no way... but u could run ltsp 4.2
[19:29] <mpih> I'll have a look at 4.2 then. There is this company who want to donate 300 small touch screen PC's previously used for trucks. It would be great to install edubuntu on them and donate it to an education project
[19:29] <nubae> hmm, but are they wired?
[19:30] <nubae> or wireless?
[19:31] <mpih> It's this type: http://www.currentdirections.com/hardware/intermec/5055.html
[19:32] <Ahmuck> mpih: crunchbang
[19:33] <nubae> u know... I'd still try it out...
[19:33] <nubae> if win 95 can run on it...
[19:33] <nubae> u can probably run xfce
[19:34] <nubae> although kernel these days needs a lot of power and ram
[19:34] <mpih> Yeah, I'm not sure Xfce can run with 32 mb rAM
[19:34] <mpih> perhaps openbox can, as Ahmuck suggested
[19:35] <Ahmuck> there's also opengeu as well as tinyme
[19:35] <nubae> and matchbox
[19:36] <mpih> My biggest concern is running browser, text editors and such
[19:36] <nubae> well, one thing u could do for sure... is run a totally text based environment
[19:36] <nubae> I toyed with that idea for a while
[19:36] <nubae> lynx, pine, pico, etc
[19:36] <mpih> Hehe, Iøm not sure 300 students with no PC experience would like that :)
[19:37] <Ahmuck> at least they would learn something :)
[19:37] <nubae> well, u know... when I was first at Uni
[19:37] <nubae> thats the way it was
[19:37] <nubae> a big menu
[19:37] <nubae> and 1, 2, 3, 4 for email, for web, for editting, etc
[19:37] <nubae> and u know what... we used the frac out of it
[19:37] <vogese> where is ubuntu 8.04.2?
[19:38] <nubae> vms...
[19:38] <nubae> jeez those were the days
[19:38] <Ahmuck> yes, but it always worked.  and "finger" as well
[19:39] <nubae> yeah exactly :-)
[19:39] <mpih> :)
[19:42] <nubae> I personally, for nostaligic reasons, I admit.. would love something like that
[19:42] <Ahmuck> i can recall fingering one uni from another and then randomly chatting with that person
[19:43] <Lns> Unix roots ftw!
[19:43] <Lns> <3
[19:44] <nubae> oooh, yeah... talk
[19:44] <nubae> hehe, and irc when it had about 1000 people in total in efnet
[19:46]  * Lns is nostalgic about the good ole BBS days...
[20:18] <vogese> where is ubuntu 8.04.2?
[20:19] <nubae> vogese: well download hardy, and just upgrade
[20:21] <vogese> nubae: i know, but since it's coming so soon i'd like to download a clean cd
[20:21] <vogese> nubae: has it been postponed?
[20:22] <nubae> I have not seen it as a CD
[22:53] <Mip5> I'm running edubuntu ltsp 8.04, and have about 5 clients successfully using it.
[22:53] <Ahmuck> whats up with *untu printing lately and hp printers?
[22:54] <Mip5> However, I've got a different box (dell optiplex GX 270) that can't complete the boot process.
[22:55] <Mip5> The last thing I see is: Starting ltsp client
[22:55] <Mip5> Then there is a flashing cursor in the upper left hand corner
[22:56] <Mip5> I see many entries when I tail -f the syslog including this one:in.tftpd[25390]: tftp: client does not accept options
[22:57] <Mip5> and then: ldminfod[25427]: connect from 192.168.0.212 (192.168.0.212), which repeats until I kill the client
[22:57] <Mip5> Any ideas?
[22:58] <Mip5> Ahmuck -> I've found printing to work fine. Are you having troubles - or just wondering how it will work?
[23:02] <Lns> Mip5: maybe a video driver issue? have you done chroot updates?
[23:03] <Mip5> These are pretty old machines - at least a few years older than the ltsp build.
[23:04] <Mip5> How often in general should I do the chroot updates?
[23:04] <Lns> Mip5: I do mine weekly
[23:04] <Lns> just to check
[23:05] <Mip5> I've enabled a SCREEN_02=shell for this mac address - but I'm not sure what to look for
[23:06] <stgraber> Mip5: if you get a lot of ldminfod request, it's because X fails to start on that client
[23:10] <Mip5> ok - thanks. When I grep the Xorg.1.log file for EE I get: module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (2) and Failed to load mudle "psb" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
[23:11] <Mip5> I haven't googled these - but does anything here jump out at you?
[23:12] <stgraber> Mip5: hmm, right. "dpkg -l | grep psb" what's the result of that
[23:13] <Mip5> lots of [23:27] <Mip5> When I look at xorg.conf, I see no entries for screen dimensions ("1024x786"), etc
[23:28] <Mip5> If I launch X by hand, I get two (EE)s. 1) EE VESA(0): No matching modes
[23:29] <Mip5> and the other is (EE) Screen(s) found, but none havea  usable configuration, and then, Fatal Server error: no screens found
[23:30] <Mip5> I'm not sure why xorg.conf would be so far off... Is there a way to run it by hand, and see if it can grab the right config?
[23:35] <stgraber> you can try generating a minimal xorg.conf with only the Device section and the right Driver
[23:35] <stgraber> that should fix most of your bug
[23:35] <Ahmuck> generating a xorg.conf tosses HAL out?
[23:38] <Mip5> stgraber -> how should I go about generating the xorg.conf?
[23:38] <Ahmuck> rebooting and fixing x on the resue menu from grub will do it
[23:39] <Mip5> Ahmuck - this is a thin client, so I don't get the grub option. I'll need to generate xorg.conf on the fly, and then try to launch X
[23:41] <Mip5> Someone on this channel - it might have been sbalneav, had me alter usb params in the BIOS (for a different machine), and that solved the issue.
[23:42] <Mip5> As I said, it was a different box entirely, but it failed in the same way (blinking cursor in the upper LH corner.
[23:43] <Mip5> I *think* he also had me disable some power params, but I can't recall what they were - really need to write this stuff down....
[23:44] <Mip5> OKay - well thanks gang. I'll have to hit this again tomorrow.
[23:46] <stgraber> X -configure will give you a sample configuration
[23:46] <stgraber> you can then edit it and copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf