[00:37] <cwillu> in the chain of gpm -> dbus -> ??? -> pm-utils, what is ????
[01:08] <Stargazer> Wow.
[01:14] <nippz> hm?
[01:37] <maxb> Something weird's going on with dependencies. In a couple Jaunty upgrades I've noticed various -dbg packages getting installed for no obvious reason
[01:37] <nippz> ya
[01:37] <nippz> afaik mysql-server-5.1 is still messed up also
[01:45] <maxb> new important dependency: gnome-dbg
[01:45] <maxb> What's an important dependency!?
[01:49] <maxb> hmm.. seem to be pulled in via the new bug-buddy -> gnome-dbg Recommends
[01:50] <JediMaster> hey guys, anyone having issues with mysql-server-5.1?
[01:51] <JediMaster> I have a feeling this isn't mysql that is the issue.. in syslog, getting this:
[01:52] <JediMaster> Jan 22 01:46:43 delta kernel: [91528.732246] type=1502 audit(1232588803.142:59): operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/" pid=11517 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld"
[01:53] <JediMaster> bah I can't remember the name of the security program that does this
[01:54] <maxb> AppArmor, possibly?
[01:59] <raof> maxb: Correct.
[02:02] <JediMaster> that's the bunny
[02:02] <JediMaster> any idea why it's blocking mysqld from starting?
[02:05] <toresbe> It has standards? ;)
[02:05] <JediMaster> O_o
[02:06] <JediMaster> now I remember why I uninstalled apparmor last time
[02:14] <hggdh> maxb, if you installed bug-buddy, yes, you are going to get a lot of dbgs
[02:14] <hggdh> although this might be a problem for apport
[02:14] <raof> It won't be.
[02:15] <raof> Apport doesn't (generally) try to install any packages.  If anything, this will make apport's job easier, because you'll get richer backtraces.
[02:15] <hggdh> JediMaster, what version of MySQL?
[02:15] <hggdh> sorry, I meant apport-retrace
[02:17] <hggdh> but, then almost nobody runs it, perhaps expect myself
[02:17] <raof> I tend to just attach gdb, yeah.
[02:17] <hggdh> I use it to update the dbgsyms I lose on the Jaunty upgrades
[02:20] <nippz> awesome
[02:21] <nippz> quodlibet + easytag + exfalso and just a dash of bulk rename makes tagging not that bad
[02:21] <nippz> having it organize library by album=folder ;)
[02:24] <JediMaster> hggdh: mysql-server-5.1 upgrading from 5.0
[02:25] <JediMaster> it's a known bug, found a workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/316849
[02:25] <hggdh> yeah, that's what I was going to tell you.
[02:26] <hggdh> nothing to do with apparmour
[02:26] <JediMaster> yeah, it's weird, it just triggered apparmor
[02:27] <hggdh> this is a different issue... apparmour profiles or programme usage
[02:28] <JediMaster> yeah, just restarted mysql and got a tonne of apparmour entries in the syslog
[02:29] <hggdh> probably the apparmour profile for mysql should be updated
[02:33] <JediMaster> ta for the help, bbl
[02:43] <linuxman410> anyone in here use real player 11
[03:04] <shadowhywind> Hay all I was wondering if anyone else was running into an issue with signing into kdm goes to the failsafe screen?
[03:36] <nippz> shadowhywind try checking ~/.xsession-errors or so
[03:37] <shadowhywind> nippz: There are "alot" of Couldn't determine full name for *
[03:38] <shadowhywind> oh wait, I wonder...
[03:43] <shadowhywind> Nothing shows up in xsession-errors when the failsafe terminal comes up
[04:08] <nippz> heh
[04:09] <nippz> so its related to X somehow - try using vesa
[04:15] <emma> What are the exciting new features planned for Jaunty?
[04:17] <nippz> boot time/ recover from suspend/hibernate
[04:18] <emma> that's cool.
[04:19] <nippz> more stuff for performance in general i think also
[04:20] <nippz> "Jaunty, the code name for what will most likely become Ubuntu 9.04, will be the focus of our efforts from November through to April next year. We will be gathering forces in Mountain View on 8th - 12th December to survey the upstream landscape and finalize Jaunty plans, enjoying the excellent hospitality of Google and Silicon Valley's abundance of talent and innovation." - said Mark Shuttleworth in the official announcement.
[04:20] <nippz> hrmz failcopter
[05:06] <cwillu> nippz, pulseaudio finally has some features exposed in the volume control
[05:40] <hggdh> just for the record: I am running with the Radeon driver, and was also running the fglrx kernel mod. I noticed X was eating up a lot of CPU (1 hour 50 min in 8 hours of uptime). I took out the flgrx, and it seems tohave gone down dratically.
[05:48] <raof> Yeah; it's now possible for the radeon driver to do 2d acceleration.
[05:48] <raof> I suspect that'll speed things up :P
[06:18] <bluesmoke> raof: don't suppose you use compiz++? :)
[06:19] <raof> bluesmoke: The crazy "let's drop a C++ rewrite of compiz in a private branch" thing?
[06:19] <raof> No, I don't.
[06:19] <bluesmoke> need a victim to test a port of the snap plugin
[06:20] <bluesmoke> It does funny things on my machine I'm starting to think are bad RAM
[06:20] <bluesmoke> raof: I'd be surprised if we don't switch to compiz++
[06:20] <raof> bluesmoke: You're a compiz dev?
[06:21] <raof> Oh.
[06:21] <raof> I knew that.
[06:21] <Amaranth> raof: I play one on TV
[06:21] <raof> Stop making me repopulate my nick -> person dict!
[06:22]  * crdlb is incapable of case-insensitive name recognition, so he has no idea who raof is
[06:22] <Amaranth> Of course 2 minutes before I trace my problems to something funky in either core or libstdc++ the main dev behind compiz++ disconnected and hasn't been back online yet
[06:22] <raof> Anyway...  I'll give it a whirl, while I happen to have a functional nvidia driver.
[06:22] <Amaranth> So I'm trying to find victims to see if something on my machine is broken
[06:22] <Amaranth> building compiz++ is a bit of a PITA unless you uninstall compiz
[06:22] <Amaranth> I'd make test packages if I had any idea how to compile cmake-based things
[06:23] <raof> Ah... cmake.  THat's right.
[06:23] <raof> Oh, well.  This install's going to be toast next time an alpha needs testing, anyway.
[06:23] <Amaranth> raof: this is the kind of evil I'm facing: http://rafb.net/p/ntzVEC24.html
[06:23] <Amaranth> notice how it goes into the C++ stdlib, it never comes back out (inf loop)
[06:23] <raof> Aaah, sweet C++.
[06:24] <raof> Because turing complete type systems make for good error messages!
[06:24] <Amaranth> so I made a change to my code and the error went away but then I had another one
[06:24] <Amaranth> I made a change to try to fix that one and the original came back
[06:24] <raof> I'll have a look.
[06:24] <Amaranth> something is broken but I dunno if it's the code, C++, or my machine
[06:24] <raof> What's the git to branch?
[06:24] <raof> Urgh, git.
[06:25] <Amaranth> raof: git checkout --track origin/compiz++ -b compiz++
[06:25] <Amaranth> that'll make git pull do the right thing and update the compiz++ branch too
[06:25]  * crdlb wonders waht raof would think of a rewrite of git in C++
[06:25] <raof> Ah, it's in compiz git.
[06:26] <Amaranth> yeah, then the snap plugin is in the snap plugin git in a compiz++ branch
[06:26] <Amaranth> also, the only setting systems that work are the ini plugin and the ccp plugin using the ini backend
[06:26]  * raof doesn't care at all about what language git is implemented in.  He just doesn't think that exposing the VCS implementation is a particularly useful UI.
[06:26] <Amaranth> raof: It's worth it for the speed
[06:26] <raof> And clone for the git repository is...?
[06:26] <raof> I know it's fast, but bzr's slowness really doesn't affect me very much.
[06:27] <Amaranth> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/compiz
[06:27] <Amaranth> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/plugins/snap
[06:27] <raof> Although it'd be nice for bzr branch to do a little bit more streaming.
[06:33] <raof> Amaranth: Ok.  How the hell does cmake work?
[06:33] <Amaranth> raof: make a new dir named compiz.build and in there run ccmake ../compiz
[06:34] <Amaranth> set your options, push c to configure, then if it passes the checks push g to generate the makefiles
[06:34] <Amaranth> then run make
[06:36] <raof> After first grabbing the build-depends!
[06:39] <raof> Hm.  Nice dependency checking.
[06:40] <raof> cmake could possibly check for boost :/
[06:44] <crdlb> they ought to be bundled as everything used is header-only
[06:44] <Amaranth> raof: it also fails to check for librsvg
[06:44] <raof> Sweet.  But that's pulled in by compiz build-deps.
[06:46] <raof> Amaranth: How does one build snap?
[06:46] <Amaranth> raof: set PKG_CONFIG_PATH and run make
[06:47] <raof> Nope, doesn't seem to like it.
[06:48] <raof> Initial error is:
[06:48] <raof> build/snap_options.h:17: error: ‘COMPIZ_BEGIN_DECLS’ does not name a type
[06:48] <raof> http://paste2.org/p/133783 is full output.
[06:49] <Amaranth> raof: oh, did you get the compiz++ bcop?
[06:49] <Amaranth> sorry
[06:49] <raof> Hah, no.
[06:49] <raof> Wanna drop the git url here for lazy me?
[06:51] <crdlb> that one killed me too
[06:51] <crdlb> and once I did it, I forgot to make clean
[06:52] <crdlb> Amaranth: X died when I enabled it, and froze up after trying it again
[06:52] <Amaranth> crdlb: Yeah, X dies when you enable/disable plugins in compiz++
[06:52] <Amaranth> crdlb: I'm guessing you use intel
[06:53] <crdlb> RS690M
[06:53] <Amaranth> raof: git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/libraries/bcop
[06:53] <Amaranth> crdlb: oh, that's right, that laptop
[06:54] <Amaranth> the freeze is either the inf loop in stdlib or the other inf loop in stdlib that eats all your RAM
[06:54] <Amaranth> but at least now I know it isn't just me
[06:54] <crdlb> and I have absolutely nothing when I vt-switch, not even a backlight
[06:54] <Amaranth> raof: you don't need to test snap now :)
[06:54] <Amaranth> crdlb: is that normal?
[06:55] <crdlb> it happens now, but I'm not entirely sure
[06:55] <Amaranth> that would have to be a driver thing
[06:55] <crdlb> oh yeah, I was seeing that when I played with multihead too, only the external crt was getting text
[06:55] <crdlb> but inconvenient, nonetheless
[06:56] <Amaranth> I just installed putty on a windows machine and run killall -9 compiz && metacity --replace &
[07:00] <raof> Mmm.  I've always said compiz was getting too stable..
[07:00] <raof> The regular branch tries to consume all memory far to infrequently.
[07:01] <raof> So, we'd be back to the days of specifying plugins on the command line, I presume.  Which ones _won't_ eat all memory?
[07:03] <crdlb> it's a good thing I have a ton of RAM
[07:03] <raof> At least VT switching still worked.
[07:03] <raof> It ate through 2GB quickly enough!
[07:03] <crdlb> I killed the old compiz process at 1.8GB res
[07:04] <crdlb> apparently it didn't die with X
[07:07] <raof> So, what _is_ a safe set of plugins?
[07:08] <crdlb> decor move resize :>
[07:08] <crdlb> why mr stone renamed decoration, I have no idea
[07:09] <Amaranth> wall is safe
[07:09] <Amaranth> that's the other one I've ported so far
[07:09] <raof> Hm.
[07:09] <raof> Not so much with the decoration, it seems
[07:10] <Amaranth> oh, you are running without compositing
[07:10] <Amaranth> to get compositing you need the composite and opengl plugins
[07:10] <Amaranth> otherwise only kde-window-decorator currently works without compositing
[07:11] <crdlb> I forgot to include L_A_I when I ran it this time; it was so slow, I had to blindly click a terminal and start metacity
[07:12] <raof> Nope.  Still no decoration.
[07:12] <raof> That does at least act as a composite manager.
[07:12] <crdlb> did you run the new gwd?
[07:12] <raof> Is it still called gtk-window-decorator, built from compiz, and installed in PREFIX/bin?
[07:12] <raof> If so, then yes.
[07:12] <Amaranth> crdlb: darn that perfect but slow software tfp :P
[07:13]  * Amaranth hugs DRI2
[07:14] <raof> Nope, no gtk-window-decorator love.
[07:28] <raof> So, what's the thinking about compiz++?  I'm still subscribed to the mailling lists, but it's difficult to gauge the consensus when no one posts anything :/
[07:30] <raof> Or, perhaps more depressingly, is the set of posts there the entirety of the compiz developer community?
[07:32] <cwillu> well, I upgraded my root partition to ext4, enabled extents, and rebooted, and it booted
[07:32] <crdlb> raof: it'll happen unless onestone backs of for some reason
[07:33] <crdlb> s/of/off/
[07:50]  * cwillu curses as the suspend menu doesn't do anything
[07:51]  * cwillu opens a terminal and types pm-suspend, and goes about his business
[08:03] <nippz> sweet
[08:03] <nippz> [offtopic]
[08:03] <nippz> the one upside of having a roomate that heads up an HR dept. - KILLER help with the resume ;)
[08:03] <nippz> [/offtopic]
[10:17] <kulight> is java and flash x64 going to be included in 9.04 ?
[10:18] <Ekushey> kulight, i don't think so
[10:18] <kulight> :-(
[10:19] <kulight> well i keep doing that manually i guess
[10:42] <Moldymoss> Morning, has anyone a link on hand of any PPA's on launchpad that have any workarounds to the nvidia & X issues?
[10:44] <RAOF> No; you don't need them anymore.
[10:44] <RAOF> Moldymoss: You just need to add a Section "Server
[10:45] <RAOF> Section "ServerFlags" Option "IgnoreABI" EndSection to your xorg.conf
[10:48] <Moldymoss> RAOF: Thanks, but do i additionally ned to download any more update drivers from Nvidia too?
[10:48] <RAOF> Moldymoss: No.  The nvidia-glx-180 driver is all you need.
[10:49] <Moldymoss> ROAF: I will go try it. Cheers
[10:54] <loic-m> kulight: flash x64 is already in 9.04
[10:55] <loic-m> kulight: as for java amd64, i was under the impression Sun was only going to rely on an open source version, which should be in 9.04 too (but I haven't tested if it's 100% ok though)
[12:18] <knecht_rutrecht> does jaunty's 2.6.28-4 kernel have pciehp support compiled in?
[12:19] <slavik> pciehp?
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> it's about this bug: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1855
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> "Can you remove the pciehp module? It is for PCIe hotplug, which should be
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> useless here."
[12:19] <knecht_rutrecht> i was asked this question
[12:20] <knecht_rutrecht> I do not have such a module on my system
[12:24] <slavik> hmm, find a kernel compilation how to and figure out how to get the current kernel's compilation options, look there for the option :)
[12:24] <slavik> that's what I would do, or ask someone how to figure it out if there is another way
[12:24] <cwillu> it's a module in intrepid
[12:24] <cwillu> do a locate pciehp, see if it gives anything back
[12:25] <cwillu> but ya, if you have a syslog showing that, and it's not a module, it's probably compiled in :p
[12:26] <knecht_rutrecht> i have this file from an older kernel: /lib/modules/2.6.28-3-generic/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko
[12:26]  * cwillu kinda wishes we'd enable the config.gz-in-/proc config option_:/
[12:26] <knecht_rutrecht> but no pciehp unter .../2.6.28-4...
[12:26] <knecht_rutrecht> *under
[12:27] <cwillu> knecht_rutrecht, nvm, yes, it's compiled in
[12:27] <cwillu> /boot/config-2.6.28-4-generic
[12:27] <cwillu> presuming this is the relevant line: CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_PCIE=y,
[12:28]  * cwillu recants his request
[14:40] <maxb> libv4l in intrepid-updates is newer than libv4l in jaunty. How peculiar
[15:16] <hggdh|away> maxb, it may be that this was a security update
[15:17] <maxb> hggdh|away: hmm. it's a newer upstream version though
[15:19] <hggdh> indeed
[15:20] <cumulus007> does anyone have a idea with which alpha/beta/rc the new theme will be shipped?
[15:41] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - Day 4 to kick off in #ubuntu-classroom in 19m. :-)
[16:05] <d_rwin> i am using edubuntu 7.10, after using the recovery cd i cant get the speed i had.     i had kubuntu as my first option in boot menu. i removed kubuntu
[16:06] <Pici> d_rwin: This channel is for Jaunty/9.04 only, Please direct your question to #ubuntu
[16:50] <albix> hi
[16:52] <albix> when I try to install 9.04 with the alternate cd I just see a black screen after I choose "install ubuntu". for few seconds I see some ubs failures and then the screen stays black for the rest of the time and the cd isnt moving anymore
[16:52] <albix> usb failure
[16:52] <albix> the same with alternate 7.10 and 8.10
[16:54] <charlie-tca> albix: Have you tried the desktop (livecd) on that system?
[16:54] <repete1> #ubuntu-classroom
[16:54] <repete1> oops
[16:54] <repete1> :-)
[16:55] <charlie-tca> albix: Also, you might try moving the USB cable to a different connector. There are some underpowered connector issues
[16:57] <iamarockstar> #ubuntu-classroom
[18:58] <DJones> If anybody has time, could somebody test something for me on jaunty, when Intrepid came out, my wife found that she could no longer play the yoville application/game thats on facebook, thinking it was a bug in flash 10, it was reported against that package, when it was investigated, it was refiled against nspluginwrapper but there's been no solution in intrepid, I'm just wondering whether there's a solution in jaunty
[19:04] <pwnguin> DJones: you can probably grab a liveCD of jaunty and try it out
[19:05] <DJones> pwnguin: thats a thought, i hadn't considered that, thanks for the suggestion
[20:08] <Alexia_Death> Does the nvidia module compile now for .28 series kernels?
[20:09] <Alexia_Death> I dont know why, but nv simply fails at color depth on my lcd
[20:14] <RAOF> Alexia_Death: You need to add "Option" "FPDither" "true" to your device section in xorg.conf.  The nvidia driver (and nouveau) detect it automatically.
[20:15] <Alexia_Death> RAOF: afaik I do have it.
[20:15] <Alexia_Death> but thanks for the tip
[20:15] <Alexia_Death> May have gotten lost in my many versions of Xorg...
[20:16] <RAOF> Ah.  Then you need to complain at the nv maintainer; the nvidia & nouveau drivers do dithering slightly differently to nv, and it looks better.
[20:16] <lurknjerk> hey, is anyone here knowledgeable about chanserv in freenode?
[20:16]  * Alexia_Death considers stuffing her /etc in some sort of version control... ca 40 copies of singel conf file is a bit much
[20:17] <pwnguin> heh
[20:17] <pwnguin> joey did that
[20:19] <DJones> pwnguin: Just tried a livecd with the facebook/yoville problem, the same bug is in jaunty
[20:19] <pwnguin> is it flash based?
[20:20] <DJones> pwnguin: yes it is, other flash sites work ok, just seems to be this one that has the problem
[20:23] <ashp> Hey guys, anyone else seen breakage with sound recently?
[20:23] <ashp> I'm not sure if pulseaudio or alsa is responsible, but things are definitely bust.
[20:25] <ashp> if i do: amixer -c 0 controls
[20:25] <ashp> i get: amixer: Control hw:0 snd_hctl_elem_info error: Invalid argument
[20:41] <pwnguin> Alexia_Death: http://kitenet.net/~joey/svnhome/
[21:03] <voox> is it possible to install kde 3.5 on ubuntu jaunty
[21:04] <RAOF> voox: No, I don't believe so.
[21:04] <voox> ok thanks
[22:30] <Melik> anyone here use banshee?
[22:35] <tretle_> yup
[22:42] <RyeBrye> I keep getting an error related to libmysqlclient-dev15: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmysqlclient15-dev_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[22:42] <RyeBrye>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/mysql/mysql.h', which is also in package libmysqlclient-dev
[22:42] <RyeBrye> anyone else have this issue?
[22:46] <Melik> tretle_,
[22:47] <Melik> is ur banshee acting up as well?
[22:47] <Melik> in jaunty
[22:52] <tretle_> Melik - other than the mono dependancy bugs no, it did uninstall fspot and a few other components when installing banshee though
[22:53] <Melik> tretle_,
[22:53] <tretle_> are you using ubuntu rep or the banshee repo?
[22:53] <Melik> ubuntu rep
[22:53] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTV3Mw/screenshot.png
[22:53] <Melik> the music scroller on the top left
[22:53] <Melik> doesnt work :/
[22:54] <tretle_> u using kde?
[22:55] <Melik> Ion3
[22:55] <Melik> its the same in
[22:55] <Melik> gnome as well
[22:58] <tretle_> well I dont have that issue
[22:58] <tretle_> 64bit or 32bit?
[23:02] <tretle_> Melik - you can try asking over at #banshee on gimpnet
[23:07] <Melik> whats the actual server for gimpnet tretle_
[23:08] <tretle_> irc.gimpnet.net ?
[23:08] <tretle_> irc.us.gimp.org
[23:08] <tretle_> the second one
[23:28] <andresmh> what would be the difference between installing a clean jaunty vs upgrading intrepid to jaunty?
[23:29] <tretle_> you wouldnt be able to use ext4?
[23:29] <Tekno> wrong
[23:30] <Tekno> you can convert ext3 to ext4
[23:30] <tretle_> thats risky
[23:30] <Tekno> but you can
[23:30] <tretle_> and time consuming
[23:30] <andresmh> is ext4 the default in alpha3?
[23:30] <Tekno> tretle_: 10 mins or so
[23:30] <charlie-tca> andresmh: You have no configurations carried forward on a clean install
[23:31] <Volkodav> I am running ext4 ok so far
[23:31] <Tekno> me too
[23:31] <Volkodav> had fsck died at boot - ran again and back ok
[23:31] <tretle_> reccomewnding someone to convert their file system on an alpha 3 build is not the best thing to do
[23:32] <Volkodav> this is what alpha for - you do whatever you can
[23:32] <Volkodav> trow anything at it - it is development/experimental install anyway
[23:33] <andresmh> i think i want to run jaunty from a 32gb USB stick with persistency
[23:33] <Volkodav> this is my understanding
[23:33] <andresmh> however, i haven't been able to follow the steps to run jaunty with persistence on a usb stick, is there a howto you would recommend?
[23:34] <tretle_> yes thats what an alpha is for but people have to make sure they have backups of everything first
[23:34] <tretle_> most people dont
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Thus the warnings:  Do not install on production systems?
[23:35] <Kuaera> Is anyone else having problems with Kmail crashing when attempting to open certain folders?
[23:55] <tretle_> is anyone here able to get monodevelop to install?