YfrwlfSo has anyone else noticed the bug where when you mouse over System > Preferences, and then (or immediately) mouse over Administration, it pauses for a second or so?00:20
YfrwlfReally weird, but seems like it might be a bug. ^^00:20
YfrwlfIt's been doing that in Gnome for as long as I can remember00:21
HobbseeYfrwlf: sounds strange.00:21
Yfrwlfand it only does it the first time, like it's a menu loading problem, no clue00:21
Hobbseeunless it's building an index the very first time, i've no idea.00:22
YfrwlfI'd be really surprised if I'm the only one who has seen it happen. :P00:22
Hobbseeis it just on first install, or the first time it gets done after boot?00:23
Yfrwlfmaybe it's the menu freezing until all the icons in Preferences have loaded, before it will display the Administration menu.00:23
Hobbseei would expect that's the case00:24
YfrwlfI think it's when ever the menu isn't in RAM or something, it's after every login or after a while of not using that menu maybe?  Would have to experiment with it.  Very minor thing, but I've actually seen it freak out new users and such, it's just a cosmetic thing. ^^00:24
Hobbseehow much ram do you actually have in that machine?00:24
Hobbsee(that you're seeing it on?)00:24
Yfrwlfit happens on all different machines on all different Gnome versions that I've used for the past several years00:25
Yfrwlfthough I'm sure it's less noticeable on faster machines obviously00:25
Hobbseevery strange.00:25
Hobbseemy machine's likely too high specced to see it, then.00:26
Yfrwlfwow, I can easily reproduce it on the fly, too.00:26
Hobbseeyou could probably try reporting it to gnome directly, as it sounds like a gnome 'bug' that it's not optimised fully.00:26
Yfrwlfyeah, alright. ^^00:27
Hobbseeunder metacity, presumably?  or compiz?00:27
YfrwlfI created another user, test, and then logged onto test, (on this same computer), and was able to reproduce it.  After the first time though like I said, it doesn't happen anymore until you log out or possibly unless it leaves RAM.00:28
YfrwlfI don't *think* it's the window manager, but let me check.00:28
YfrwlfGreat, now I'm just finding other bugs >.<00:32
YfrwlfAfter switching to Metacity and logging in as test again, the menu bug isn't there, but maybe it's like saved in memory already or something...when I went in as test, it was Metacity.  Then I switched back to my user, switched to Compiz, and logged in as test again to find that Metacity was running.  When I then tried to turn on Compiz as test, it said desktop effects couldn't be enabled.  Oiy =P00:34
Yfrwlffun stuff ^^00:34
Hobbseehrm.  that wasn't friendly.00:37
Yfrwlfoh wow, even after disabling Compiz on my user, and logging into test and trying to enable it there, it won't let me.00:37
YfrwlfWhat wasn't friendly?00:37
Hobbseelocking my screen on jaunty wouldn't let me unlock it again.00:38
YfrwlfThat's what I'm using too btw.00:38
YfrwlfI haven't had that problem before though, how did you manage to do that?00:38
Hobbseenot sure.  it's probably transient, as i hadn't rebooted after some updates which it was telling me to00:41
Yfrwlfthat may have been it then, I remember when you could keep on using programs even if they had been updated, but I notice some problems with doing that sometimes.00:41
Yfrwlfbut, just restart X at the very least, and that should fix the screen locking problem you're having, if that's the cause of it.00:43
Yfrwlfshould be using the new versions of everything at that point00:43
Yfrwlfto my knowledge00:43
Hobbseei thought i'd done so, from the last time it locked up, but then it happened again00:44
Hobbseeah well, will look again later00:44
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kylezoaBug #319393 to wishlist please01:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319393 in user-setup "Hardcodes ubuntu username" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31939301:32
kylezoaBug #319776 to the lovely wishlist please01:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319776 in gnome-session "don't allow shut down if there are other user with opened sessions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31977601:48
* Hobbsee doesn't think the first one is a wishlist item.01:49
Hobbseeand i'm surethat second one is a dupe.01:49
Hobbseein fact, the guest account already accounts for that.01:50
kylezoak, Hobbsee, could you please leave that note on the bug as it'll be better for you to note it01:52
Hobbseesigh, he's left.01:53
hggdhshoot & run01:53
Hobbseehe could have actually *tested* it, to see that the bug reporter was mostly wrong, but no...01:54
Hobbseelets just smack it with a 'wishlist' status, and be done with it.01:54
hggdhall one needs is to read and mis-interpret, I guess01:54
hggdhthere is also one thing -- a lot of the new folks are worried of doing something wrng, and would rather somebody else did it01:55
hggdhweird. I thought the second one would be a question of capabilities01:56
Hobbseepresumably because they don't actually know what htey're doing, and suspect they're not being so helpful anyway, and don't want to get jumped on when it's wrong.01:57
Hobbseebut the first is the classic "original reporter is known competent, so please don't put rubbish (ie, it's not a bug.  BRAINSTORM IT!) on their bugs"01:58
Hobbseewhich i don't think there's a solution for yet01:58
* Hobbsee invalidates it, and claims it for 5-a-day02:00
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thekorngood morning07:18
dholbachgood morning07:27
thekornhi dholbach07:36
dholbachhiya thekorn07:36
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pedro_folks don't forget that today we have a hug day : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2009012211:28
pedro_there's still a lot of bugs to be triaged, feel free to grab anyone and squash it11:29
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jan_hereI found a bug concerning powersaved, is it oky to discuss this here?13:11
pedro_there's still a lot of bugs to squash, join the fun : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2009012213:55
pedro_good day MrKanister13:55
MrKanisterhello pedro_13:56
MrKanisterpedro_: Sorry, I have to deliver some magazines. Will be back in about two hours.13:59
MrKanisterpedro_: Then I will join the fun ;). Bye13:59
pedro_MrKanister: see you later!13:59
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dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - Day 4 to kick off in #ubuntu-classroom in 19m. :-)15:41
steve555hI EVERYONE.16:13
BUGabundohi steve55516:13
steve555Hi BUGabundo.What is the progress of triarging Firefox3.0?16:14
BUGabundoI have no idea!16:15
BUGabundojust logon16:15
steve555I haven't got it installed yet,but I have done in the past.I personally use Opera10.0 Alppha16:15
BUGabundoaint even got the courage to look into my inbox16:15
steve555I thought this was the channel to help out if we can.Which one is it?16:16
BUGabundoask dholbach16:16
dholbachBUGabundo: about what?16:17
BUGabundodholbach: please refer to steve555 ^^^^^^^^16:17
dholbachI have no idea about Firefox16:18
dholbachasac is the mastermind there :)16:18
steve555Where can I reach him?I have treid to get on a hug day and a even a Ubuntu classroom,but I seem to miss them,as I live in the U.K G.M.T16:18
steve555I'm curently using Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Alpha3.16:20
dholbachhe's in here :)16:20
steve555Ok,I'll ask him.16:21
steve555asac,do you need help with Firefox3.0?16:21
BUGabundosteve555: please visit #ubuntu-mozillateam16:23
steve555Ok,thanks BUGabundo.16:23
charlie-tcasteve555: The firefox hugday is today. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2009012216:24
steve555Yeah I know,am I in time?it's Greenwich Mean Time where I live.16:25
charlie-tcayes, it's only 4:27pm there16:27
charlie-tcaAnd, the bugs can be triaged anytime :-)16:28
steve555Before I go,I'm have a bit of trouble importing some keys from Launchpad.When I refrseh my repositoires with Synaptic,I get this error:: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7D2C7A23BF810CD516:51
pedro_omg the graphs for the hug day are looking amazing!17:02
pedro_http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/firefox-3.0/plots/firefox-3.0-week-new.png <- wow17:02
bdmurraypedro_: see http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/firefox-3.0 for more details17:04
pedro_-300 WOW17:08
asacdoes Martin Mai hang out here sometimes?17:27
asacpedro_: ?17:27
asacffox 3 got 300 new bugs eliminated from yesterday to today17:27
pedro_asac: yes Mrkanister is his nickname17:27
asacthats really awesome17:27
pedro_asac: yeah that's pretty awesome, did you looked at the graphs today?17:28
asacpedro_: the graph is not up-to-date ... NEw count is now 42017:28
pedro_woohoo ;-)17:29
pedro_we can reduce them to less to 400, right charlie-tca, chrisccoulson ? ;-)17:29
asacpedro_: i would stick the triagers handbook in topic ... would be much more efficient if folks would remember those few points17:29
pedro_asac: alright, i'm editing the hug day page with that information17:30
asacpedro_: i will update topic... you can just stick the same info there too17:30
asacpedro_: i cannot do that17:31
asacnot an op17:31
asac /topic Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Firefox NEW/Incomplete processing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ | Want to report a bug? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | User support (not related to triage) is in #ubuntu17:31
asacthats what i wanted to do17:32
pedro_bdmurray: ^17:32
bdmurrayon it17:32
ccmhi there17:32
asacbdmurray: wait a sec ;)17:32
ccm(from the ubuntu berlin bug jam)17:32
asac /topic Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | FFox New/Incomplete processing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ | Want to report a bug? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs | User support (not related to triage) is in #ubuntu17:32
asacbdmurray: ^^17:32
asacshortened and adjusted case17:32
pedro_ccm: hello there17:33
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bdmurrayasac: Could we get some package bug guidelines setup for firefox?17:34
asacbdmurray: just the triagers handbook should be enough17:36
asaca link17:36
asacbdmurray: and maybe a direct reference to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/NormalizedBugFormat17:36
bdmurrayasac: I meant information to show when people report a bug about firefx17:36
asacbdmurray: for that lets just use the NormalizedBugFormat page ;)17:36
bdmurrayMaybe a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs ?17:36
asacwould be helpful if folks file directly in that format17:37
asacso we can foward17:37
asacyes. lets use that and the normalized format thing17:37
asacbdmurray: how do we get those instructions there?17:38
bdmurrayasac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027206.html17:39
asacok so not me ;)17:39
asacso lets state:17:39
bdmurrayWell, you could stick a firefox file in the package-bug-guidelines folder and I'd update the instructions for it / them.17:40
asacbdmurray: package-bug-guidlines? is that abranch?17:40
bdmurrayits a folder in ubuntu-qa-tools branch17:40
CrownAmbassadorHi guys. Do you think I can list these 2 bugreports together? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/320105 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/319553 the last one happens to be mine.18:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320105 in ubuntu "Intrepid Ibex (8.10) loses Internet connectivity after installation" [Undecided,New]18:04
charlie-tcapedro_: I'll grab some bugs in a bit; got my 3-month old grandson right now18:20
MrKanisterHow often are is the status of packages updated at http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/ ?18:23
bdmurraythe graphs are updated hourly18:23
MrKanisterbdmurray: Thanks. And the information on the left of a package page (for example http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/firefox-3.0) ?18:25
bdmurrayogasawara: that's ^ hourly too right?18:25
ogasawarabdmurray, MrKanister:  yup I believe it is hourly18:26
MrKanisterbdmurray: Maybe. If yes it gets updated in 14 minutes. Was just curious :)18:26
MrKanisterthanks ogasawara18:27
ogasawaraMrKanister: although I'm not positive if it on the hour or half past18:27
MrKanisterogasawara: hm. ok18:29
ogasawaraMrKanister: ah, every 30min - or at least that's what it used to be18:29
MrKanisterogasawara: Don't think so because the last update was at 17:42 UTC (so more than half an hour back)18:30
bdmurraythe raw data comes from http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/firefox-3.0/firefox-3.0-changes.html18:31
MrKanisterbdmurray: Thanks. Maybe the data is then updated once a day18:32
ogasawaraMrKanister: is there a specific stat you're noticing is not updating18:33
MrKanisterogasawara: No. As I said, I was just curious about it.18:35
MrKanisterogasawara: uh, you were right with the half an hour update. Now it reads: "Last updated at 18:10 UTC"18:36
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MrKanisterwow...thats what I call a BugDay18:59
CrownAmbassadorHi guys. Do you think I can list these 2 bugreports together? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/320105 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/319553 the last one happens to be mine.18:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320105 in ubuntu "Intrepid Ibex (8.10) loses Internet connectivity after installation" [Undecided,New]18:59
* MrKanister huggs pedro_ and charlie-tca18:59
* pedro_ hugs the hug day hero MrKanister19:00
* MrKanister wishes more people would start on BugDays because everyone is able to19:02
bdmurrayCrownAmbassador: it's hard to tell without hardware information for bug 32010519:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320105 in ubuntu "Intrepid Ibex (8.10) loses Internet connectivity after installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32010519:02
CrownAmbassadorbdmurray: Thanks, I'll ask for hardware info then.19:02
asacMrKanister: hi. i added a link for ffox triaging to topic ... please take a look ;)19:13
asacand thanks for all the work :) ... i definitly owe you a few beers ;)19:13
MrKanisterasac: Thank you. This is a very useful site19:13
MrKanisterUnfortunately the fun is nearly over ;)19:14
asacMrKanister: most important for the further upstream triage is to get the description in the normalized format mentioned there19:14
asacMrKanister: how comes?19:14
MrKanisterasac: No problem. I like to work with nice people :)19:14
MrKanisterasac: No worries. I mean for the bug day this week19:15
asacbut i think i saw your mails outside of hug days ;)19:15
MrKanisterasac: What do you mean? (maybe my english is to bad)19:15
MrKanisteroh..you mean nromal bugs?19:16
asacMrKanister: yeah ;)19:16
MrKanisterhm...with that information I think we should do another BugDay on firefox19:17
MrKanisterwe nearly halved the number of "new" bugs19:18
asacMrKanister: true. there will surely be more new bugs.19:19
MrKanisterasac: Oh, yes. I very much hope more people will participate on BugDays because it is not difficult. Everyone can do it19:20
asacthats why i tried to keep the handbook as simple as possible. New/Incomplete bugs can all be processed really easily19:21
asacand Confirmed too most of the time19:21
asacat least for firefox i cannot really forward bugs wher ei have to digg the important info out of the lengthy discussion.19:22
MrKanisterasac: yup, the handbook is really awesome ;)19:22
asacMrKanister: how do you reach the triagers? just the hug day announce mail?19:23
MrKanisterasac: Yes, via some mailing-lists -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing#Announcement%20E-mail19:23
MrKanisterasac: I hate the bug tracker of mozilla, too19:24
MrKanisterasac: The gnome but tracker is soo much more user friendly19:24
asacMrKanister: what exactly is more user friendly?19:25
MrKanisterasac: *the gnome bug tracker19:25
MrKanisterasac: (sorry, typo)19:25
asacMrKanister: yes, but makes that more user friendly?19:25
asacpersonally, i think processing bugs for gnome is easier because you have lots of small apps19:25
asacwith a small number of bugs19:25
asacso you can usually see everything on one or a few patges19:26
MrKanisterasac: I mean it is easier to use, so it's "user friendly"19:26
asacthe tricky thing about firefox is that you have to find the right component in bugzilla to get any sensible search results19:26
MrKanister(or doesn't that phrase exist in English?)19:26
asacMrKanister: yes, but both is bugzilla ... so my question is: why is it easier to use?19:26
asacmy guess is that its easier to use because of the reasons i gave above19:27
MrKanisterasac: Oh, your are right, it's because of a better overview over the packages19:27
asacMrKanister: sure. thats hard to do for a huge app like firefox. if you want to triage bugs upstream and wonder about which component to file against/look just ask19:28
asacat best in #ubuntu-mozillateam19:28
MrKanisterasac: Thanks. Will bookmark that19:29
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asaccu then ;)19:29
MrKanisterasac: See you19:30
steve555Hi guys,I'm having trouble uploading traces produced by Apport-qt to Launchpad.It comes up with this error:19:32
steve555Could not upload report data to crash database:19:32
steve555<urlopen error The write operation timed out>19:32
MrKanisterasac: I wonder if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook should replace https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Procedures which is linked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/19:36
macosteve555: apport hasnt worked since jaunty started19:36
macosteve555: just file the bug manually and attach a retrace19:36
steve555Is there another package I could use to upload?19:37
macoyour web browser19:37
steve555Hmmm,I'll give it a go,is it ok to attach the .crash to the bug report that apport created?19:39
charlie-tcasteve555: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/314212 ; even better, add to this one19:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:39
macouse apport-retrace to get just a stack trace19:39
maco(that's what i was told to do when i asked a couple days ago)19:40
hggdhso it is still broken?19:43
bdmurrayI'll look at it today19:44
hggdhyay, just ran it. At least now I do not get a file://... URL, but the (common) url error19:44
bdmurrayhggdh: which one?19:44
hggdhurlopen timed out19:45
bdmurrayhggdh: when uploading?19:47
bdmurraythe last comment in bug 314212 has a workaround that might be worth trying19:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421219:47
hggdhlet me run it again19:48
asacMrKanister: not sure. procedures is definitly work-in-stalled-progress ... but is suppsoed to be more complete than handbook19:48
asacbut we should definitly link the handbook from there19:49
MrKanisterasac: ok, a link would be good19:49
hggdhdarn! now I am back to file:// on the FFox call19:50
bdmurrayhggdh: its still an improvement though ;)19:51
hggdhbdmurray, heh. At least the blob was uploaded19:51
chrisccoulsonhey mrkanister, are there any more firefox bugs left to triage ;)19:57
MrKanisterchrisccoulson: hehe, hundreds :)19:57
MrKanisterchrisccoulson: But we managed to halve the new bugs19:58
chrisccoulsonthats good. sorry i haven't helped out much - been busy doing some other stuff19:58
MrKanisterchrisccoulson: no problem. I think many also preferred the UbuntuDeveloperWeek to triaging bugs :D19:59
chrisccoulsoni'd completely forgotten about that. i wouldn't have minded getting involved20:00
MrKanisterchrisccoulson: You forgot the DeveloperWeek? That's sad, I was a great event and I learned  alot20:01
MrKanister*it was20:01
chrisccoulsonwhich sessions did you go along too?20:01
asacMrKanister: check  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Procedures please20:02
MrKanisterchrisccoulson:  The Launchpad API, Baazar for packaging, Boot performance, etc20:02
macoi forgot too, what with the couple million people converging on every spare bit of sidewalk and empty chair in every restaurant/cafe around my apartment20:02
MrKanisterasac: Looks great. That way we don't have a page without content ;) Thanks20:03
chrisccoulson3 guesses where maco lives20:04
macoi lack internets in my apartment, so those cafes are somewhat necessary for me to get online20:05
chrisccoulsonthat's not good. i couldn't live without my internet connection :(20:07
macomy old roommate moved out and took the internet with her. i get new internet tomorrow.20:07
chrisccoulsonthats good then. i bet you're looking forward to that!20:07
anderskIs anyone interested in looking at the one-line patch in bug 296925?20:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296925 in linux "linux-image postinst script ignores warn_reboot in /etc/kernel-img.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29692520:15
maxbbug 319204 was just mentioned in #ubuntu-motu - IIUC it doesn't make sense to say "Please sync from DEHS". Is there a standard phrasing for a "Please update to newer upstream" bug?20:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319204 in flumotion "Please sync flumotion (universe) with the scoop of the Debian External Health Status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31920420:16
maxbIs the needs-packaging tag appropriate for a "please package new upstream version" bug?20:30
macoi think needs-packaging is just for new (not in the archive at all) packages20:35
savvasmaxb: bug number?20:37
maxb<maxb> bug 319204 was just mentioned in #ubuntu-motu - IIUC it doesn't make sense to say "Please sync from DEHS". Is there a standard phrasing for a "Please update to newer upstream" bug?20:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319204 in flumotion "Please sync flumotion (universe) with the scoop of the Debian External Health Status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31920420:38
savvas0.5.3 ?20:40
savvasmaxb: I linked it to the debian new upstream request20:45
savvasmaxb: I'll try and see if it's easy to upgrade20:46
maxbYou make a good point, linking it makes sense, but I was wondering what to do to the bugtitle, since it's falsely masquerading as a sync request at present20:46
savvaswell there's no upstream debian package yet :P20:48
savvasCan you change it to something appropriate and set the needs-packaging tag?20:49
savvasI think it's ok to use it in this case20:49
savvashm.. lool..20:53
savvasmaxb: I the user with nickname lool in freenode is the maintainer of flumotion. In #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu probably20:55
savvasmaxb: let me know if you talk with the maintainer21:10
maxbI don't really mind, actually my interest in this is mainly limited to not having a non-sync bug masquerading as a sync bug21:11
savvasok, but it happened to me twice to upgrade new packages and then the maintainer comes and says "Oh, I've had this packaged all along, I just forgot/been busy/some excuse here"21:13
thekorn_bdmurray, what do you think, should we workaround bug 314212 and temporary increase the timeout in storeblob.py?21:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314212 in apport "Apport unable to report crash - urlopen error timed out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31421221:39
bdmurraythekorn_: yes, it seems like the fastest solution21:43
thekorn_bdmurray, ok, let me prepare a patch21:44
thekorn_bdmurray, I think this is the best solution: http://paste.ubuntu.com/108389/21:59
thekorn_but it is untested on jaunty22:00
hggdhthekorn_, no timeout is dangerous22:01
thekorn_hggdh, why, that's the default22:01
hggdhthis is then a bad default. Never to timeout can cause some other problems22:01
hggdhinstead set it -- say -- to 180 seconds.22:02
hggdhnever timeout -> leads to hanging22:02
thekorn_hggdh, so this need to be fixed in python itself22:02
hggdhprobably, I agree. But, right now, I like your approach, at least it bypasses the issue22:02
hggdha very low timeout is as bad as a very large timeout22:03
Rocket2DMnhey guys, when youre finished with your current debate, can you have a quick look at bug 319825 and let me know if you think its a kernel issue or a problem with NM (see daemon.log).  No rush.22:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319825 in linux "acer_wmi in Jaunty on Aspire One exposes non-functional (always disabled) rfkill device" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31982522:03
hggdhthekorn_, it is just my opinion22:03
thekorn_hggdh, yeah, I totally agree with you,22:04
thekorn_but since launchpad is "a bit slow" sometimes, I'm unable to judge which is the best timeout22:05
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chrisccoulsonRocket2DMn - it would be nice to see the output of "lshal" for that bug report22:05
Rocket2DMnalright chrisccoulson , ill ask for that, what specifically are we looking for in that?22:05
chrisccoulsoni haven't checked the whole report yet, but any object with the capability "killswitch"22:07
chrisccoulsonjust to get a more complete picture of the hardware22:07
chrisccoulsoni think from the description that its not a nm bug22:08
thekorn_bdmurray, I'm going to sleep now, I would be nice if you could apply the patch, otherwise I will do it tomorrow morning,22:08
thekorn_feel free to adjust the timeout22:08
bdmurraythekorn_: okay, I think using something other than none would be best22:09
thekorn_if you think it makes more sense22:09
* hggdh has had some very bad experiences with no TCP timeouts22:09
Rocket2DMnchrisccoulson, based on how the user gets around the behavior by removing a module, it seems that it is kernel.  However, daemon.log has problems with NM which had me thinking that maybe NM isn't communicating well with the correct driver/module22:10
bdmurraythekorn_: thanks for the patch22:10
thekorn_np, no big deal22:10
Rocket2DMnchrisccoulson, there is also a link to a bug in daemon.log that is still Confirmed against NM, whereas everything else seems to be fixed in intrepid.22:12
Rocket2DMnim not sure what to make of that22:12
chrisccoulsonhi Rocket2DMn - sorry, i had to disappear somewhere23:13
Rocket2DMnthats ok23:13
chrisccoulsoni'll take another look in a second23:13
Rocket2DMnok, theres really no rush23:14
Rocket2DMnill be here23:14
savvassomeone set the bug #319204 as triaged please, I'm sending a new upstream package to debian as we speak23:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319204 in flumotion "Please package new upstream version of flumotion (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31920423:14
charlie-tcasavvas: wishlist?23:16
savvascharlie-tca: yes, thanks :)23:16
charlie-tcaYou are welcome. done23:17
savvasa really weird package23:17
charlie-tcaYeah, it happens23:17
savvasIt probably needs some adjustments, but at least I made it a bit easier for the maintainer :)23:18
charlie-tcaMy thought is every bit helps :-)23:19
chrisccoulsonRocket2DMn - the bug report number referenced in that reporters daemon.log is just displayed because NM found an unmanaged device (a device specified in /etc/network/interfaces). the "state CONNECTED forced" bit just means that NM will tell any application which asks that the particular connection is connected, regardless of the actual state of the connection23:21
chrisccoulsonit seems that the killswitch state from HAL doesn't get updated23:21
chrisccoulsonit would probably be good also to run "lshal -m", then toggle the killswitch and see if anything changes state23:22
seb128chrisccoulson: hi23:22
chrisccoulsonhi seb12823:22
seb128chrisccoulson: is the new mixer applet working now for you?23:22
chrisccoulsonnot entirely23:23
seb128chrisccoulson: and are your session dialog correctly themed since the gnome-session update?23:23
seb128chrisccoulson: is it starting correctly rather23:23
chrisccoulson1 second - i'll try that in a moment23:23
chrisccoulsonthe volume control actually appears to be suffering a race with pulseaudio23:23
chrisccoulsonthe status icon doesn't update when pulseaudio comes on and off-line23:23
chrisccoulsonif the applet starts before pulseaudio, no icon displays23:24
chrisccoulsontheres a report upstream somewhere23:24
seb128ok, so there is probably a race during session start there23:24
chrisccoulsonit seems so. the applet and pulseaudio start in the same phase23:24
seb128I get an error in .xsession-errors which seems to indicate that the applet is started before the sound server there23:24
chrisccoulsonyeah, i get that too. i tried writing a patch, but i cant get it to work23:25
chrisccoulsongnome bug 564311 is the applet problem23:26
ubottuGnome bug 564311 in gnome-volume-control ""Connection failed" when PA drops off" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56431123:26
seb128right, the new comment seems to be the issue23:27
chrisccoulsonpulseaudio started before gnome-session in intrepid, but that's not a good solution23:27
Rocket2DMnchadwik, what should the reporter do when monitoring in order to trigger the killswitch?  is that a keyboard function key, or removal of the module, or something else?23:28
Rocket2DMnchrisccoulson, ** ^23:28
chrisccoulsonRocket2DMn - they can run "lshal -m" in a terminal and then physically move the killswitch. if it changes state, then the reporter will see some output on the terminal23:29
chrisccoulsonif he doesn't, then it's almost certainly a kernel bug23:29
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i see the problem with gnome-session dialog too23:29
seb128chrisccoulson: ok, good, I need to ping vuntz about it23:29
seb128the dialog is a distro patch, I need to try if the upstream dialog get the same issue23:30
chrisccoulsonyeah, thats a good idea23:30
chrisccoulsoni might try building it without in a bit23:30
Rocket2DMnwhat do you mean physically move the killswitch?  i guess i dont fully understand what a killswitch is then.  i thought this was like a power switch, though laptops dont typically have an actually switch, they use a key combo or a dedicated button i guess23:31
chrisccoulsonah, you might be correct23:31
macoRocket2DMn: sometimes they're slidey things23:32
chrisccoulsoni got the impression that whatever button or switch he was using actually physically turned the RF off. he seems to suggest that23:32
Rocket2DMnhey maco, i dont think ive ever seen a laptop with a slide power switch for wireless23:32
Rocket2DMni suppose they are out there ethough23:32
chrisccoulsonmy old company dell had a slider23:32
dtchenrfkill switches are increasing massively in popularity23:33
chrisccoulsoni don't have a laptop anymore to know:(23:33
chrisccoulsonnew company won't give me one!23:33
Rocket2DMnso we want the user to toggle with killswitch while the acer_wmi module is loaded then right?23:34
chrisccoulsoni think so23:34
Rocket2DMnok, what if something shows when he does it then?23:35
chrisccoulsonit depends what shows i suppose23:35
chrisccoulsonif the state of the killswitch changes then it might be a NM problem. but i think thats unlikely having read the description23:35
Rocket2DMnwhen i toggle on my laptop, it doesnt say anything about a killswitch, but it shows something else about ButtonPressed = wlan23:36
seb128chrisccoulson: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56795823:36
ubottuGnome bug 567958 in general "Shutdown and Logout dialogs not themed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]23:36
dtchenchrisccoulson: were you referring to bug 319443 earlier?23:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319443 in pulseaudio "[jaunty] no volume applet because pulse gets started too late" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31944323:37
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that makes sense. so, it seems like it's definately an upstream issue unless the reporter is a jaunty user23:37
seb128chrisccoulson: there is a screenshot and that's the upstream dialog23:38
seb128chrisccoulson: and he's using jhbuild23:38
chrisccoulsonah, ok23:38
Rocket2DMnalright chrisccoulson , thanks for the help.  i expect the user will get back to us by tomorrow23:38
chrisccoulsondtchen - thats the one. but it should be a gnome-media bug. the applet should refresh the status icon when pulseaudio loads or disappears really23:38
macoRocket2DMn: the HP Mini netbook, as dtchen discovered by accident 2 days ago, has a slidey switch for both wifi and power. bump the slidey thingy, and the computer turns off. oddly, you have to hold the switch in the pushed position to turn it on, but just bump it to shut it off23:42
dtchenthe wifi rfkill is also broken in Windows23:43
macoon that hp mini you were playing with?23:43
dtchenyou can do nefarious things with it in every OS, actually, due to the wiring23:43
Rocket2DMnmaco, that is brilliant design23:45
macooh, i didnt phrase that clearly. there are two slidey switches. 1 for each, 1 on each side of the front edge of the laptop, where your wrist goes23:46
Rocket2DMneven better!23:47
dtchenthe rfkill is on the right; the power, on the left23:47
Rocket2DMnwhy cant they just use an old fashioned button for power23:49

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