[01:55] <bryce> heya all
[01:56] <bryce> dad did great with his surgery, the doctors are all very happy with his progress, and sounds like he'll be heading home within a week or so.
[06:27] <bryce> tjaalton: how are things for xserver/-intel/-mesa?
[06:31] <superm1> bryce, i think nothing is still building because of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-January/004178.html
[06:31] <bryce> superm1: ok thanks
[06:31] <bryce> superm1: heya btw.
[06:33] <superm1> bryce, hiya.  seeing you pop in reminds me.  i've got a couple more platforms that appear that they wont come into X with vesa that i'm hearing of.  I should eventually be seeing some hardware for some of them.  if they are similar in that 8.04's vesa works but 8.10 and 9.04's dont, do you have ideas for what's changed to make it more stringent off hand?
[06:34] <bryce> hmm
[06:34] <superm1> or perhaps some proactive changes that might help for when the hardware does show up
[06:34] <superm1> if perhaps it's similar to that nvidia based problem that i posted
[06:35] <bryce> well, I'd start by comparing the modelines from 8.04 vs. later
[06:35] <bryce> upstream had some changes to how those were calculated and there's a slight chance that those changes could break some chipsets
[06:35] <bryce> (like we already saw on that one Dell system)
[06:36] <superm1> yeah
[06:36] <bryce> -vesa is pretty low level and pretty simplistic, so if there's a regression it's more likely going to be in the xserver or kernel
[06:36] <bryce> so a second step would be to try booting an earlier kernel or an earlier xserver to see if either of those changes makes a difference
[06:36] <bryce> kernel's probably easier to vary
[06:37]  * superm1 nods
[06:37] <bryce> if you can rule out kernel and modelines, then that strongly points to xserver badness
[06:37] <superm1> and possibly being those small calculation differences then
[06:38] <bryce> maybe also test booting with xdm or some other wm to rule out window manager naughtiness
[06:38] <superm1> okay well great thanks for the tips.  i'll try to get one of these thats getting these reports as soon as i can
[06:39] <bryce> sure
[07:24] <tjaalton> bryce: nice to hear!
[07:24] <tjaalton> bryce: the kernel probably is in the archive now, so I'll start uploading soon
[07:24] <tjaalton> ..but it sure would be nice to find my phone
[07:27] <tjaalton> oh, so the kernel upload was busted.. damn
[07:33] <bryce> tjaalton: heya
[07:34] <tjaalton> howdy ho
[07:34]  * bryce catching up with email
[07:36] <tjaalton> I reinstalled my desktop at work, and seems that usplash hangs on it (GF8600)
[07:36] <tjaalton> I get a series of loud beeps etc
[07:36] <tjaalton> oh and a blank screen
[07:36] <bryce> eek
[07:36] <bryce> kernel?
[07:36] <tjaalton> possibly
[07:37] <tjaalton> I happened to have bootchart installed, so I got a graph where it clearly shows that it's hung (eats the second cpu)
[07:37] <tjaalton> er, core
[07:38] <tjaalton> oh and when it finishes, X won't start
[07:38] <tjaalton> just hangs, when it does work without usplash
[07:39] <tjaalton> oh well, first I need to get my sound back
[07:40] <bryce> ouch, sounds like you need a Real OS.  I hear Win7 is just around the corner...
[07:41] <tjaalton> yeah, I need to download that sucker right away
[07:41] <bryce> ;-)
[07:53] <tjaalton> oh, so the gui is postponed?
[07:54] <bryce> tjaalton: yeah
[08:15] <tjaalton> heh, -nv fails to drive this 30" monitor
[08:15] <tjaalton> "no modes"
[08:15] <bryce> erf
[08:29] <raof> tjaalton: And how about nouveau :P
[08:30] <tjaalton> raof: heh, haven't tried yet :)
[08:34] <bryce> night
[08:35] <tjaalton> night bryce
[11:47] <tjaalton> apparently there are going to be "some imminent nvidia releases", which should support the new ABI
[12:28] <tjaalton> hrm, why oh why can't I assing a mouse button as a shortcut..
[12:29] <tjaalton> *assign
[12:32] <jcristau> any reason why libxi can't be synced from experimental?
[12:32] <tjaalton> let me check
[12:33] <jcristau> would allow to sync xinput too, i uploaded the 1.4.0 release
[12:35] <tjaalton> well.. we already ship XInput in libxi-dev :/
[12:35] <jcristau> argh. forgot about that.
[12:35] <jcristau> what a mess.
[12:35] <tjaalton> but that should be the only change
[12:36] <tjaalton> yeah, but it's there waiting for libxi-2.0 :)
[12:39] <jcristau> 10 years from now it'll be ok :)
[12:40] <tjaalton> damn realist ;)
[14:43] <superm1> tjaalton, "releases"?  as in not just -180?
[14:44] <tjaalton> superm1: don't know..
[14:44] <superm1> where did you see the reference on that?
[14:44] <tjaalton> oh, yes the quote was from aaronp
[14:44] <tjaalton> on #xorg-devel
[14:45] <tjaalton> 02:47 < aaronp> keithp: ping?  You're the 1.6 release manager, right?  We've got some imminent  releases and I need to know whether I can mark ABI5 as no longer needing  -ignoreABI.
[14:45] <superm1> ah neat
[18:02] <tjaalton> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-Misc" missing on display ":0.0".
[18:02] <tjaalton> I get those on .xsession-errors
[18:11] <tjaalton> oh, it was removed :)
[18:13] <bryce> heya
[18:17] <tjaalton> hi there
[18:33] <tseliot> hey bryce