[00:14] <Kiption> how does xfce autogenerate the system menu?
[00:30] <TheSheep> Kiption: from the files in /usr/share/applications
[00:31] <Kiption> thanks
[00:31] <Kiption> how does it determine what category means what sub menu?
[00:32] <Kiption> Multimedia isn't a category, but it is a sub menu
[00:32] <Kiption> to put something in that menu you need to put it in the AudioVideo category
[00:32] <Kiption> do you know where the rest of the translations are?
[00:34] <lc2> gahhh
[00:34] <lc2> you know what sucks
[00:34] <lc2> spending like an hour debugging a problem with sound and finding out that it was on mute all along
[00:35] <lc2> (apparently 1) that's the default and 2) xfce's mixer has no mute button)
[00:37] <sellyoursoul> i'm trying to get write support for my usb external drive (ntfs).  i've been instructed to install ntfs-3g, which will automount the drive but still no write permission.  then i was instructed to install ntfs-config and enable write permission to external devices.  that didn't work either.  i'm starting back at square one.  when i connect my drive, i get two instances of the error message: failed to mount 'mydrive'.  unknown filesys
[00:37] <sellyoursoul> tem ntfs-3g.
[00:38] <lc2> mkdir /mnt/whatever
[00:38] <sellyoursoul> why would i be getting two instances of the error message?
[00:38] <lc2> sudo mkdir /mnt/whatever (sorry)
[00:39] <lc2> sudo chown yourusername:yourusername /mnt/whatever
[00:39] <lc2> sudo mount.ntfs3g -o rw /dev/whateverdevice /mnt/whatever
[00:39] <lc2> profit
[00:39] <lc2> mount.ntfs-3g*
[00:39] <lc2> sorry
[00:39] <sellyoursoul> but that won't automount the drive, correct?
[00:40] <lc2> sellyoursoul: do that and see if it works, it narrows down the problem
[00:40] <lc2> also gives me time to look up your solution
[00:41] <sellyoursoul> so i need to reinstall ntfs-3g, first.
[00:41] <lc2> sellyoursoul: reinstall? i don't see why
[00:41] <sellyoursoul> it's uninstalled at the moment
[00:41] <lc2> sellyoursoul: oh.
[00:42] <sellyoursoul> what is libntfs-3g23?  do i need this?
[00:42] <sellyoursoul> it's currently installed.
[00:42] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i'm guessing it's related
[00:43] <sellyoursoul> i guess i could try removing it and see what happens.
[00:44] <lc2> i don't see why randomly removing things is going to install ntfs-3g
[00:45] <sellyoursoul> maybe it's conflicting with ntfs-3g?  i don't know.  at this point (2 days) i'm willing to try anything.
[00:45] <lc2> sellyoursoul: reinstall ntfs-3g
[00:56] <lc2> sellyoursoul: wb
[00:57] <sellyoursoul> failed to mount.  says it's already mounted.
[00:58] <lc2> sellyoursoul: that means it's already mounted
[00:58] <lc2> that or some shit's going on ;\
[00:59] <lc2> sellyoursoul: will you dump the contents of your /etc/fstab please?
[00:59] <lc2> !paste
[01:00] <sellyoursoul>  i tried this:  'sudo mount -t -ntfs-3g dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 -o force' and i got this 'unknown filesystem type '-ntfs-3g'
[01:00] <sellyoursoul> lc2 yes, give a second
[01:00] <lc2> sellyoursoul: you have a spurious dash fight before your fstype
[01:00] <TheSheep> leave the - at the beginning
[01:00] <lc2> "-ntfs-3g"
[01:01] <lc2> fight = right
[01:01] <TheSheep> it's -t ntfs-3g
[01:01] <TheSheep> without the -
[01:01] <sellyoursoul> let me try that again before posting my fstab
[01:02] <lc2> whoah wait a second, are you forcibly mounting a device that's already mounted?
[01:02] <lc2> itc: people being evil
[01:02] <sellyoursoul> got this:  Please type '/sbin/mount.ntfs-3g --help' for more information.
[01:03] <sellyoursoul> i don't know what i'm doing, ha, ha.
[01:04] <lc2> mount -t ntfs-3g -o force,rw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1
[01:04] <lc2> assuming the directory /mnt/sdb1 exists
[01:05] <sellyoursoul> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[01:05] <sellyoursoul> # Entry for /dev/sda1 :
[01:05] <sellyoursoul> UUID=1463508d-bde2-4fb4-b2cf-d0af17b29289 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[01:05] <sellyoursoul> # Entry for /dev/sda5 :
[01:05] <sellyoursoul> UUID=74529839-39cc-483e-a92c-9f56a476d6b3 none swap sw 0 0
[01:05] <sellyoursoul> /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
[01:05] <lc2> sellyoursoul: do you want the drive to be mounted all the time?
[01:06] <lc2> or rather, would you object if your drive was mounted all the time*
[01:06] <sellyoursoul> i want it to automount when i connect it and have write permission
[01:06] <lc2> mm okay
[01:07] <lc2> sellyoursoul: just a'thinkin here
[01:08] <sellyoursoul> $LogFile indicates unclean shutdown (0, 0)
[01:08] <sellyoursoul> WARNING: Forced mount, reset $LogFile.
[01:08] <sellyoursoul> fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy
[01:08] <lc2> sellyoursoul: then it's still mounted
[01:08] <nitai> the notes plugin doesnt save window size , how come ?
[01:08] <lc2> umount /dev/sdb1
[01:08] <lc2> then do that
[01:09] <lc2> nitai: i'd hazard a guess and say the only honest answer is "because nobody got around to making it do otherwise"
[01:09] <lc2> or "someone, somewhere likes it that way"
[01:10] <lc2> sellyoursoul: once you've forcibly mounted it again, then unmount it
[01:10] <lc2> unplug it, then plug it back in
[01:10] <sellyoursoul> writing works.  i should unmount it now?
[01:11] <lc2> sellyoursoul: yes
[01:11] <lc2> sellyoursoul: and then plug it back in and see if writing works
[01:11] <nitai> lol
[01:11] <lc2> sellyoursoul: the unclean shutdown thing could be causing writing to it to be disabled
[01:11] <lc2> sellyoursoul: do that at your own risk btw
[01:12] <sellyoursoul> failed to mount  'mydrive' org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed auth_admin_keep_always <-- (action, result).
[01:12] <lc2> sellyoursoul: well, that's helpful
[01:13] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i hate to suggest this, but unplug it and reboot
[01:13] <sellyoursoul> ha, ha.
[01:13] <lc2> sellyoursoul: also hope that you haven't completely hosed it btw
[01:14] <sellyoursoul> me too.  i'm restarting and see what my fate beholds.
[01:14] <lc2> sellyoursoul: seeya shortly
[01:14] <lc2> too late
[01:17] <lc2> wb
[01:19] <sellyoursoul> drive automounts and writes.  thank you very much for the help lc2.  when i open the drive i get two file browser windows.  any idea on that?
[01:19] <lc2> sellyoursoul: haven't a clue
[01:20] <sellyoursoul> what is the risk with force mounting a drive?
[01:20] <lc2> sellyoursoul: it frightens me
[01:20] <sellyoursoul> ha, ha.  there has to be a reason behind the fear.
[01:20] <lc2> sellyoursoul: yeah, the "force" part
[01:21] <sellyoursoul> yea, what exactly is being forced?
[01:21] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i just have an aversion to it, that's all
[01:21] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i don't know, it's probably just an aversion to what forcible anything does in other contexts
[01:21] <sellyoursoul> and what's this business about a dirty log file?  i have no idea what that means or where this log file is.
[01:21] <lc2> "force" meaning "don't stop me from doing stupid stuff"
[01:21] <lc2> sellyoursoul: probably something to do with NTFS journalling
[01:21] <sellyoursoul> yea, i see your point.
[01:22] <sellyoursoul> now i'm guessing that when i take this drive to a windows box, i'm likely to have issues.
[01:22] <lc2> sellyoursoul: apparently, next time that happens, there's something called ntfsfix, which you might want to look at
[01:22] <lc2> sellyoursoul: and no, you won't
[01:22] <sellyoursoul> noting ntfsfix
[01:23] <lc2> it might not hurt to do a chkdsk on it
[01:23] <sellyoursoul> yea, i probably should have done that before messing with it in the first place.
[01:23] <lc2> but the odds of you terminally hosing a filesystem are not entirely significant
[01:23] <lc2> sellyoursoul: yes, indeed
[01:24] <lc2> sellyoursoul: it was because it wasn't safely removed from whatever computer it was on before, that was causing that problem, i suspect
[01:24] <sellyoursoul> yea, i usually just pull the plug, assuming the drive isn't spinning.
[01:24] <lc2> bad bad sellyoursoul
[01:25] <sellyoursoul> i thought that if the drive was off, it was ok to pull the plug.
[01:25] <lc2> sellyoursoul: it probably is, but ntfs-3g is paranoid
[01:25] <sellyoursoul> like all of linux, ha, ha.
[01:25] <lc2> possibly
[01:25] <sellyoursoul> me and linux might be a good match
[01:26] <lc2> brb thirsty
[01:27] <lc2> okay, better
[01:29] <sellyoursoul> hey lc2, what do -t and -o do in that line?
[01:29] <lc2> -t specifies the filesystem type
[01:29] <lc2> -o specifies mounting options
[01:31] <sellyoursoul> so to be ultra paranoid, i should unmount my drive before unplugging?
[01:32] <lc2> no, you can right click on it and go to "eject" or whatever it's called
[01:32] <lc2> then unplug
[01:32] <lc2> which might be exactly the same thing
[01:32] <sellyoursoul> i guess i need to look that one up.
[01:33] <sellyoursoul> i don't like this, i ejected and the drive spun up.
[01:33] <lc2> it was probably writing something
[01:33] <lc2> and talking of USB TECHNOLOGY, i need to get some stuff off my camera
[01:33] <sellyoursoul> what could it be writing?
[01:34] <lc2> it could just be writing to the journal that it has been safely ejected or whatever
[01:34] <sellyoursoul> seems to be taking a long time to do something like that.
[01:35] <lc2> mm. :\
[01:35] <sellyoursoul> it doesn't appear to be writing anything.  just spinning.
[01:35] <lc2> odd
[01:35] <lc2> unplug it and see what happens
[01:35] <lc2> live life on the edge
[01:35] <lc2> ;)
[01:35] <sellyoursoul> i'm scurd
[01:36] <lc2> not really, just wait for it to shut up
[01:36] <sellyoursoul> i have 200+ gb's of stuff i'd like to see again.
[01:36] <lc2> heh ;(
[01:37] <sellyoursoul> alright to the windows box test, brb
[01:37] <lc2> k hb
[01:42] <sellyoursoul> worked fine in xp.  i'm wondering what this double window thing is.  the battery warning message is coming in double aslo (ran my battery down earlier, oops)
[01:46] <lc2> sellyoursoul: hm, i don't know
[01:47] <sellyoursoul> i think parted (partition editor) is installed by default.  it's not showing in the apps menu for some reason.  how do i open apps that aren't listed in the apps menu?
[01:47] <lc2> go to a terminal and type their name
[01:47] <lc2> otherwise, use the application finder
[01:47] <lc2> "Afbeeldingen & video's uploaden"
[01:48] <lc2> wtf, tinypic's decided i'm dutch?
[01:49] <sellyoursoul> hmm.  parted is installed and is coming up in terminal, but i thought it had a gui.
[01:49] <lc2> sellyoursoul: try gparted
[01:50] <lc2> http://i42.tinypic.com/11cfjw2.jpg
[01:50] <lc2> is it obvious that i clone-brushed out a park bench there?
[01:50] <lc2> jw
[01:51] <Hermenegil> hello everyone !
[01:51] <lc2> hi Hermenegil
[01:52] <Hermenegil> can I ask you for help ?
[01:53] <lc2> Hermenegil: of course
[01:54] <sellyoursoul> lc2:  if i was guessing, i would say on the right where the shadow is.
[01:54] <sellyoursoul> looks ok to me
[01:55] <lc2> bahaha
[01:55]  * lc2 calls reuters
[01:55] <lc2> goddamn i'm good
[01:55] <sellyoursoul> ha, ha.  you use gimp?
[01:56] <Hermenegil> OK, here's my newbie question : where's the package download from the synaptic package manager ends up ?
[01:56] <lc2> sellyoursoul: yup
[01:56] <lc2> Hermenegil: uh good question
[01:57] <sellyoursoul> c:\windows\program files (joke)
[01:58] <Hermenegil> lol
[01:58] <lc2> ahaha
[01:58] <lc2> the question is really where apt puts things
[01:58]  * lc2 looks it up
[01:58] <sellyoursoul> Hermenegil:  i'd like to know, too.
[01:59] <lc2> someone give me a random program to install
[01:59] <sellyoursoul> lc2:  do you mess with script fu stuff?  i have an idea of something i want to do, but i have no idea how to script it if it can be done.
[02:00] <lc2> sellyoursoul: nope, tried it once, lost very interest very quickly
[02:00] <sellyoursoul> cinelerra
[02:00] <lc2> ah yeah
[02:00] <lc2> good idea
[02:01] <lc2> E: Couldn't find package cinelerra
[02:01] <lc2> !
[02:01] <sellyoursoul> you have to add the thing,,,,,you know repository or whatever.
[02:02] <sellyoursoul> how about this, if you're on 8.04?  http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/10/13/install-gimp-26-in-ubuntu-804/
[02:02] <lc2> sellyoursoul: already done it ;\
[02:02] <sellyoursoul> i like 2.6
[02:03] <lc2> me too
[02:03] <sellyoursoul> something i don't like about gimp is that when transforming selections, the original selection material is shown below the material being transformed.
[02:04] <sellyoursoul> i have an idea for a script to take care of that.
[02:04] <sellyoursoul> if it can be done.
[02:04] <lc2> sellyoursoul: do you like lisp?
[02:05] <lc2> i'm pretty sure it can be done, but you'd have to like lisp
[02:05] <mgroman> !ohmy | Odd-rationale
[02:05] <sellyoursoul> i know nothing of programming.  i've been spending a few minutes here and there trying to learn python.
[02:05] <lc2> sellyoursoul: gimp supports python scripts
[02:05] <lc2> Hermenegil: i think i have your answer
[02:06] <lc2> Hermenegil: files are downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and unpacked from there
[02:06] <sellyoursoul> who is Odd-rationale and why don't i see him?
[02:07] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i spoke to him earlier, he seems quite nice
[02:08] <sellyoursoul> Hermenegil:  then deleted, i assume?
[02:08] <Hermenegil> thanks a lot
[02:08] <lc2> Hermenegil: most welcome
[02:08] <sellyoursoul> i meant lc2:
[02:08] <lc2> Hermenegil: that's what i gathered from lsof, anyway, so that might not even actually be true
[02:09] <lc2> sellyoursoul: well, i'm wondering if they really are, because i have a bunch of stuff sitting around there
[02:09] <Hermenegil> yes, its right there
[02:10] <lc2> sellyoursoul: not as many things as i have installed on my system, but still, they're there
[02:10] <sellyoursoul> i have a bunch too
[02:13] <lc2> interestingly, the time stamps on them bear no resemblance to reality at all
[02:13] <lc2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root     9422 2006-06-23 12:10 weblint-perl_2.02-1_all.deb
[02:13] <sellyoursoul> weird.
[02:13] <sellyoursoul> i have 340 mb worth of still sitting there.
[02:14] <lc2> 389mb here
[02:15] <lc2> perhaps it only keeps the most recent ones around or something
[02:15] <sellyoursoul> me < not bad for 3 or 4 days worth, ha, ha
[02:15] <lc2> that might explain the weird skewed timestamps, they might be set intentionally
[02:16] <lc2> sellyoursoul: is that how long you've been on linux?
[02:16] <sellyoursoul> yes
[02:16] <lc2> oh cool
[02:16] <sellyoursoul> i have a lot to learn
[02:16] <charlie-tca> I think the weird timestamps are the file creation date
[02:16] <lc2> *thinks* six or seven years here
[02:16] <lc2> eleven years if you count my first debian install
[02:17] <lc2> charlie-tca: it can't be, because i definitely didn't install that in 2006 :)
[02:17]  * lc2 was still on freebsd
[02:17] <sellyoursoul> i installed ubuntu once or twice but not gave it any time.  i just wanted to have a look around.
[02:17] <charlie-tca> The file creation date, as in the package was created then, regardless of when you got it
[02:17] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i like it a lot
[02:17] <lc2> charlie-tca: oh!
[02:17] <lc2> charlie-tca: yeah, that's what i was wondering, sorry
[02:18] <charlie-tca> no problem. I just hope it clears that a little...
[02:26] <sellyoursoul> lc2:  any idea how i can set the size of gimp's image window to stay the same, no matter what level i'm zoomed to?
[02:27] <lc2> sellyoursoul: i thought it did that all by itself
[02:27] <lc2> mine does not change size as i zoom
[02:28] <lc2> unless i'm misunderstanding here
[02:28] <sellyoursoul> when i zoom an image, the window resizes.
[02:28] <lc2> sellyoursoul: hm
[02:28]  * lc2 tries that
[02:29] <lc2> okay, that definitely does not happen here
[02:29] <sellyoursoul> maybe i changed something in preferences
[02:29] <lc2> ah, edit -> preferences (assuming gimp 2.6)
[02:29] <lc2> under "image windows"
[02:30] <lc2> "resize window on zoom"
[02:31] <sellyoursoul> yea, that did it.  thanks.
[02:31] <lc2> you might not have changed anything, that could be 2.6s default behaviour, and it might be using my old 2.4 config
[02:31] <lc2> np
[02:40] <lc2> okay, it's time for me to go to sleep
[02:40] <lc2> gnight everyone
[02:40] <lc2> have fun sellyoursoul
[03:15] <DaemonXP> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4&NR=1
[04:30] <root______> anyone have a good sudoers example file?
[04:34] <fbc> What can I use for browsing the network? I may want to transfer a file to a windows machine.
[04:34] <forces> saluton
[04:35] <fbc> forces, was that directed towards me?
[04:47] <root______> i guess my sudoers file will have to sufice as is.
[04:49] <root______> http://pastebin.com/f6fe6a859
[04:51] <astrobill> is it possible to install xubuntu on an old laptop  PII300 with 64 megs of ram?
[04:51] <maxamillion> astrobill: yes, but with that low of ram you might want to check out fluxbuntu
[04:51] <root______> astrobill sure.  but you'll have to use something besides ubiquity to do the installing
[04:52] <root______> maxamillion that ram will prevent the use of ubiquity too
[04:52] <maxamillion> root______: right, fluxbuntu doesn't use ubiguity for installation
[04:52] <maxamillion> :)
[04:52] <root______> astrobill i have ran ubuntu kde on a p1 with 64m ram   so it will run ok
[04:53] <j1mc> hi maxamillion :)
[04:53] <maxamillion> j1mc: hey, long time no speak
[04:53] <astrobill> ok, I'll try it.  Thank you:)
[04:53] <j1mc> i know!
[04:53] <j1mc> maxamillion: i hope you're doing well
[04:53] <astrobill> I'll look at fluxbuntu :)
[04:53] <maxamillion> j1mc: i've been busy, doing well, but busy
[04:54] <j1mc> glad to hear it
[04:54] <maxamillion> j1mc: i'm a linux admin for my university, i graduate with my undergrad in may and then apply for grad school right after
[04:54] <j1mc> great!
[04:55] <maxamillion> j1mc: i'm also a fedora packager :P
[04:56] <j1mc> of xfce stuff?  what kind of packags?
[04:56] <maxamillion> j1mc: all our server at work are redhat enterprise linux ... so i've spent a LOT of time with the rpm world
[04:56] <j1mc> ah, cool.
[04:57] <maxamillion> j1mc: no, all xfce stuff is already handled, but the fedora xfce maintainer is my package mentor :)
[04:57] <j1mc> cool... what stuff are you working on?
[04:58] <maxamillion> just little stuff right now ... one is a pre-processor/runtime/compiler for a concurrent programming language called Cilk, i co-maintain htop, i package and maintain txt2tags, shed, and ...
[04:58] <maxamillion> crap
[04:58] <maxamillion> can't remember
[04:58] <j1mc> sounds cool.  is it difficult to package rpm's for fedora?
[04:58] <maxamillion> j1mc: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/maxamillion <---
[04:59] <maxamillion> j1mc: uhmm... so far, no ... but i still learn new things all the time
[04:59] <maxamillion> different packages are harder than others
[04:59] <maxamillion> oh ... the Cilk environment isn't passed review yet so its not in the pkgdb yet
[05:00] <maxamillion> j1mc: i'm a packager for the Fedora EPEL projcet also
[05:00] <j1mc> epel?
[05:00] <maxamillion> j1mc: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL
[05:01] <maxamillion> its a third party add on repository for redhat enterprise linux, centos, etc.
[05:01] <maxamillion> all distros considered "Enterprise Linux" that are redhat based
[05:01] <j1mc> cool.
[05:02] <maxamillion> yeah, it makes life at work quite nice because my workstation at the office runs RHEL (RedHat Enterprise Linux) and the EPEL repo allows me to have some fun things that RedHat didn't deem "enterprise"
[05:04] <j1mc> i'm on fedora 10 now, actually.  i use it on my desktop.
[05:06] <maxamillion> yey!
[05:06] <maxamillion> j1mc: i'm a big fedora fan
[05:06] <maxamillion> j1mc: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3385088017824733336 <---- i'm done with ubuntu for good
[05:07] <maxamillion> i want to become a kernel developer so it means a lot to me that redhat and fedora do so much for the kernel
[05:08] <root______> the kernel is linux  the rest is GNU
[05:08] <root______> i'm a linux fan too
[05:08] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, thats a bunch of hogwash
[05:08] <j1mc> maxamillion: i gotta take care of a few things around the house, but nice talking with you.  :)
[05:09] <root______> hey, anyone know where that sound file is that has "i pronounce linux linux"   if it's open source i'd like a copy  :)))
[05:09] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: when the stable maintainer of the kernel speaks on the state of the kernel ... i tend to think he's not lying
[05:10] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, he is not speaking truthfully. Matt Zimmerman clearly explains why.
[05:10] <maxamillion> Matt Zimmerman is what? a Canonical employee?
[05:10] <cody-somerville> CTO
[05:10] <cody-somerville> (lets take this to #xubuntu-offtopic)
[05:11] <maxamillion> yeah, then i don't care to listen to what he has to say
[05:59] <freoedo> WASHINGTON, DC: In a stunning late-hour development, President George W. Bush has granted Osama bin Laden a pardon for the murder of more than 2,700 Americans in the fall of 2001.
[05:59] <freoedo> WTF!
[06:00] <freoedo> hope its a joke.. but who would joke about something like that.
[06:05] <freoedo> It was apperantly a tasteless joke...
[06:05] <freoedo> the references was bogus.
[07:18] <Sinister> anyone ever use that gos on ubuntu ?
[08:38] <R1cochet> can i run k9copy in xubuntu without grabing all the dependencies?
[08:54] <ace__> hi
[09:03] <taw> R1cochet, most likely dependencies are because they are needed for running it
[17:41] <mado> oy guys and gals ... hello there
[17:41] <martin101> hello
[17:57] <charlie-tca> Hey everybody: We are having a HugDay for Firefox bugs today. If you have a chance, come on over and take out a couple of bugs! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090122
[19:36] <Hermenegil> hello, can someone help me concerning video driver ?
[19:37] <TheSheep> !ask
[19:56] <slow-motion> hi
[19:57] <sellyoursoul> how's it going slow-motion?
[19:57] <slow-motion> hi sellyoursoul
[19:57] <slow-motion> i'm fine
[20:07] <Salix_> Hi! I would like to change the key settings of my Thunar to allow me to (1) mark the current filename at pressing a button and (2) allow me to jumpt to the next filenames without forgetting the markings. Is it possible?
[20:16] <TheSheep> Salix_: hold down ctrl
[20:19] <Salix_> TheSheep: Ctrl and what? I want to do this thing without mouse... with keyboard only
[20:20] <TheSheep> hmm... ctrl and arrows works... kinda
[20:20] <Salix_> I can move off the marked filename but I can not chose a second one
[20:20] <TheSheep> you can select a file and move the cursor...
[20:20] <TheSheep> yeah
[20:21] <TheSheep> I suppose you will get better help at #thunar
[20:21] <Salix_> oh... good idea :-]
[21:03] <Hermenegil> Here's my question :  I tried to install driver for my video card (its an "ATI" Rage Mobility pro) with wine, I don't think its recommended, well I thought the installation done nothing because it just stop right in the middle, so I reboot to if something have change, and here I am : i have this message on boot "Your screen, graphics card and input device settings could not be detected correctly, you will need to configure
[21:03] <Hermenegil> them yourself" I tried to restore the default driver without success
[21:05] <sellyoursoul> what up hermenegil?  sorry, i have no idea about your driver config.
[21:09] <Hermenegil> i'm alright, except that i'm stuck on the low graphic mode, how are you ?
[21:10] <sellyoursoul> pretty good here.  still no idea what i'm doing.
[21:11] <DaemonXP> XFCE is making Midori the default browser
[21:11] <DaemonXP> any comments?
[21:12] <Salix_> ?!
[21:12] <TheSheep> wtg kalikiana :)
[22:14] <anv> I have noticed that Xubuntu has grown under several releases making it quite slow on older machines, precisely this latest. Is it possible to strip from gnome stuff to only Xfce based system?
[22:15] <subscious> how can i deacztivate the alert sound?
[22:15] <subscious> deactivate
[22:16] <TheSheep> anv: you can modify your install however you please
[22:17] <TheSheep> subscious: what alert sound?
[22:17] <subscious> the hardware alert sound
[22:17] <anv> how does it affect in security if removing gnome libs?
[22:17] <subscious> when trying to delete in an empty text box for instance
[22:18] <TheSheep> subscious: xset b off
[22:18] <RediXe> Trying to install off the alternate install disc so I can encrypt the hard drive - after hitting Install Xubuntu or Check CD for defects I get unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 end request i/o error which repeats a bunch. Tried a normal 8.10 xubuntu live cd and was able to run just fine and install started installing just fine.
[22:19] <subscious> Thanks TheSheep ... is there a online refernce for xubuntu with command basics?
[22:19] <TheSheep> subscious: well, the server install (which is basically ubuntu base without the gnome/kde/xfce desktop) is considered as secure as teh versions with desktops, so I suppose removing gnome libs won't hurt here
[22:19] <TheSheep> !guide
[22:19] <TheSheep> !desktopguide
[22:20] <anv> TheSheep: thanks I start stripping, bye
[22:22] <subscious> do you guys know advanced monitoring packages for xubuntu? (comparable to sysinternals for windows)
[22:23] <cody-somerville> nagios3
[22:24] <subscious> how can i leave manpages in the terminal?
[22:24] <RediXe> subscious: q i believe
[22:25] <subscious> nicce thanks
[22:26] <TheSheep> subscious: also try ?
[22:26] <subscious> try?
[22:26] <subscious> is xfce kde or gnome?
[22:27] <RediXe> subscious: neither
[22:27] <RediXe> subscious: it's it's own desktop
[22:27] <subscious> but i am able to run kde or gnome apps am i not?
[22:27] <TheSheep> TheSheep: try pressing "?" while viewing a man page
[22:28] <TheSheep> subscious: yeah, you can run kde and gnome apps in any desktop environment
[22:28] <RediXe> subscious: yes you can but you will have to install a lot of there libraries
[22:28] <subscious> what is the diffrence?
[22:28] <TheSheep> subscious: the looks, kde apps will look out of place probably
[22:29] <TheSheep> subscious: they migth also not obey some global settings you set
[22:30] <subscious> is kde more like osx?
[22:30] <TheSheep> RediXe: as long as it's not some application running in the background all the time these libs won't hurt
[22:30] <TheSheep> subscious: no, not really
[22:30] <TheSheep> subscious: it's more like windows in my opinion, but that's obviously biased
[22:31] <subscious> which is faster / more lightweight ? (xfce is most lightweight is it not? )
[22:31] <TheSheep> it kind of depends also on the configuration and the applications you are using
[22:32] <subscious> gnome is most widely used anyways isnt it?
[22:35] <TheSheep> I don't know, I think gnome and kde are about equal with one going before other ocassionally
[22:35] <TheSheep> equal in market share, not in how they look/work
[22:38] <subscious> what are the major diffrences?
[22:39] <nikolam> subscious, lxde is even lighter but I am content with xfce it have just enough futures an yes, pcmanfm file manager is ok , but without trashcan support
[22:45] <subscious> what is the stuff located in the proc dir?
[22:45] <mado> oy guys and gals ... can you help me please? ... there is a computer without NIC ... i can't run xubuntu on it ... some problems with the graphics as far as i have seen ... thing is ... i need to copy some files from it ...
[22:46] <mado> i thought about looking for a text-based *buntu-linux-thing ... then mount a usb-flash-drive ... and then i could copy the files
[22:48] <subscious> how do i start nagios??
[22:48] <TheSheep> subscious: all the memory, information about running processes, etc.
[22:48] <subscious> i actually access the heap in there?
[22:49] <TheSheep> mado: just press alt+ctrl+f1 on ubuntu and you are in text console
[22:49] <TheSheep> subscious: as root, probably
[22:49] <subscious> where are packages deployed into?
[22:50] <TheSheep> subscious: all over the directory structure
[22:50] <subscious> thats bad.... anyways how do i start nagios? (it didnt install an icon)
[22:50] <subscious> and i cant find it on the documantation
[22:50] <TheSheep> subscious: if you run 'dpkg -L packagename' you will get a list of files
[22:51] <TheSheep> no idea about nagios, it probably runs as a service
[22:51] <TheSheep> in system->services
[22:52] <subscious> dop i have to restart to see newly installed services?
[22:52] <subscious> s/dop/do
[22:52] <TheSheep> no
[22:52] <subscious> then its not in there
[22:53] <TheSheep> restarting is really only necessary when upgrading kernel
[22:53] <TheSheep> well, you have the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nagios/
[22:53] <subscious> which pdf reader can you recommend?
[22:53] <TheSheep> evince
[22:54] <TheSheep> xubuntu's default
[22:54] <subscious> this now is the second time my file manager is not responding ... what am i doing wrong?
[22:54] <TheSheep> no idea, what did you do?
[22:55] <subscious> run the services pnel and start a manpage in the terminal
[22:55] <subscious> downloaded a pdf
[22:58] <subscious> which is better viewpdf or claws-mail-pdf-viewer
[22:58] <subscious> or xpdf-reader?
[22:58] <TheSheep> the latter is just a plugin for claws-mail mail client
[22:58] <TheSheep> epdfview is pretty fast
[22:59] <subscious> thx
[22:59] <TheSheep> you can also install acrobat from their site, but it's huge and slow
[23:00] <subscious> yeah ... it still asks me to choose an app for opening tho ... how can i find the executable?
[23:01] <TheSheep> I don't understand
[23:02] <subscious> when doubleclickin a pdf file it doesnt start epdfviewer automatically ... no association
[23:02] <TheSheep> are you sure it's a pdf file?
[23:02] <subscious> yeah ... i just opened it from within epdf
[23:02] <TheSheep> you can select the application to use in the file's preferences
[23:03] <subscious> cool thanks
[23:04] <subscious> can i manually add app icons to the applications menu?
[23:05] <TheSheep> yes, with menu editor
[23:06] <TheSheep> in settings
[23:08] <subscious> is it possible that the aptitude package is diffrent to the original? the documentation doesnt seem to work
[23:09] <subscious> not the doc itself but the commands explained in it
[23:10] <TheSheep> not likely
[23:11] <subscious> it seems to be installed in a diffrent way
[23:11] <subscious> it doesnt find the directions writen in the docs
[23:11] <subscious> the terminal
[23:12] <subscious> i will try working through the manual from the begining maybe the dirs arent created yet ...
[23:23] <forces> saluton
[23:31] <subscious> if i mkdir ~/downloads .... where is it made?
[23:31] <subscious> a root ...
[23:32] <charlie-tca> subscious: /home/USERNAME/downloads
[23:39] <subscious> if i search for stuff what can i replace ms * with
[23:42] <charlie-tca> I don't use wildcards. I type the first few letters with locate or find and hit enter. It will find all files/folders starting with that
[23:42] <charlie-tca> part of the word
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Programming in bash, I think it uses the same wildcard.
[23:43] <TheSheep> there are subtle differences
[23:43] <subscious> i need to search for filetypes
[23:43] <subscious> .cfg atm
[23:43] <TheSheep> locate .cfg
[23:43] <subscious> in windows it would be *.cfg
[23:44] <TheSheep> in linux too
[23:44] <TheSheep> ls *.cfg
[23:44] <TheSheep> for example
[23:44] <TheSheep> will display all cfg filesi n the current directory
[23:44] <subscious> file roller doesnt do that
[23:44] <TheSheep> that's true, file roller is an archive management tool
[23:45] <TheSheep> it's possible they didn't add wildcard support to it
[23:45] <subscious> how other can i do that search than?
[23:45] <TheSheep> sort by file type?
[23:45] <subscious> can i reduce it by the folderstruct?
[23:45] <TheSheep> folderstruct?
[23:46] <subscious> yeah ... view all files
[23:47] <TheSheep> I don't understand
[23:47] <subscious> never mind your advice helped a lot
[23:48] <subscious> thanks
[23:48] <TheSheep> have fun with linux, I'm going to bed
[23:59] <subscious> gn8
[23:59] <subscious> good night ...