[00:13] <Ramblurr> has anyone gotten a qt update and no unable to start firefox?
[01:05] <dtchen> Ramblurr: in jaunty? works fine here.
[01:09] <vorian> dtchen: soprano fixed, thanks for the heads up
[01:27] <dtchen> vorian: yw
[01:30] <xerosis> vorian: closed the bug for the soprano issue, hope you don't mind
[01:30] <vorian> nope
[01:30] <vorian> thanks :)
[01:31] <xerosis> no probs, just avoiding what I'm supposed to be doing ;)
[04:59] <nixternal> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/membership/thanksfriends
[04:59] <nixternal> woohoo!
[05:00] <nhandler> Congrats nixternal !
[05:01] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:01] <DaSkreech> whooot nixternal
[05:01] <nixternal> DaSkreech: no crazy shirt there huh? :)
[05:01] <DaSkreech> No you are missing :-P
[05:01] <nixternal> hehe
[05:02] <nixternal> I need to buy some more...it seems my wardrobe consists of a lot of GNU, FSF, CC, Ubuntu, GNOME, and Novell t-shirts lately
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Nice laptop
[05:02] <nixternal> that is without a doubt the greatest Linux laptop of all times
[05:08] <rgreening> hey nixternal
[05:19] <nixternal> wasabi rgreening
[05:19] <DaSkreech> wasabi peas!
[05:27] <rgreening> nixternal: lol
[09:00] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: still searching for an hotel for fosdem ?
[09:32] <jussi01> Tonio_: where is your latest nm plasmoid package? I still can get the plasmoid to connect - though it installs and looks like it works fine.
[09:57] <Tonio_> jussi01 still won't work, indeed, we still have to wait :)
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy revuing k3b ?
[10:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[10:16] <Riddell> don't see it on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[10:21] <jpds> I see it there, in the "rejected" queu.
[10:21] <jpds> -e
[10:21] <jpds> Tonio_: Can you login to REVU using OpenID?
[10:21] <jpds> Then I can move it back to the processing queue.
[10:22] <Tonio_> jpds: hum....... do I need to login each time I need to upload something ?
[10:22] <Tonio_> jpds: loging in
[10:23] <jpds> Tonio_: No, we (they) changed the key sync system, you have to login with OpenID so the thing can grab you're gnupg keys from LP.
[10:23] <Tonio_> oki
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: after that, I'll manage to get knewz, kpar2 and fresconaldi in the archives..
[10:23] <jpds> Just tell me when you're authed and I can do the stuff needed.
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: those are goos apps we miss, and nobody takes care at kde-apps.org actually :)
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: a good desktop is nothing with good apps you can install or your needs !
[10:24] <Tonio_> jpds: done !
[10:24] <Tonio_> jpds: sorry for the bad things done, I just don't use revu quite a lot, since I mostly work on main
[10:25] <jpds> Tonio_: k3b_1.99+svn914817-0ubuntu1_source.changes and policykit-kde_4.1.96-0ubuntu1\~svn910476_source.changes moved back to processing queue. Should be on the site in about 3 minutes.
[10:25] <jpds> Tonio_: It's not problem at all. :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> jpds: you rick ! thanks :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> s/i/o/
[10:27] <jpds> Hehe.
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: is replacing ktorrent with kget on purpose for the next meeting ?
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: kget is really excellent, we never used it for konqueror, and it now deals with torrent files...
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: since ktorrent has pretty crap UI, even if is an excellent app, I'd like to discuss this point for the next meeting
[10:30] <Riddell> kget has the weirdest UI ever
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ? I pretty much love it
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's the problems with it ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: same UI than most download managers have...
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: have you tested the kde4 one ?
[10:33] <Arby> is there an agenda for the meeting somewhere?
[10:33] <jpds> Tonio_: OK; which key did you sign the k3b upload with?
[10:33] <Arby> I'd like to add a point about system-config-printer-kde.
[10:33] <Tonio_> jpds: need the id ?
[10:33] <jpds> ID is: 8A303107
[10:34] <Tonio_> jpds: yep that's it
[10:34] <jpds> Weird, you have it on your LP, but revu is rejecting it..
[10:35] <Tonio_> jpds: I use it for ..... 4 years maybe ;)
[10:35] <Tonio_> jpds: ah ! I knew there was something going wrong with revy and me...
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tend to agree with you about kget3, but really kget4 is excellent :)
[10:36] <Tonio_> seele: have an opinion about kget UI and usability ?
[10:36] <jpds> Really quite weird: http://paste.ubuntu.com/108537/
[10:37] <Tonio_> jpds: so the key is there, but my uploads are rejected ?
[10:37] <Tonio_> weird...
[10:37] <Tonio_> jpds: I uploaded that one a couple of days ago : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4630
[10:37] <Tonio_> jpds: it got accepted, I think because of you
[10:38] <Tonio_> jpds: can you drop k3b at some points ? I'll reupload to see what happens...
[10:38] <jpds> Tonio_: Yeah, I moved that with k3b. Which just makes it even weirder.
[10:38] <Tonio_> jpds: bah let's drop k3b and restart, we'll see :)
[10:39] <jpds> OK; ready when you are.
[10:39] <jpds> I wish revu knew the concept of logs.
[10:39] <Tonio_> jpds: I am :)
[10:40] <Tonio_> jpds: uploaded
[10:41] <jpds> Tonio_: OK; it's in incoming/. I watch it and see if it goes through.
[10:42] <Tonio_> jpds: thanks for the help ;)
[10:42] <jpds> Yay: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=k3b
[10:42] <jpds> Riddell: ^
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: still unclear how good k3b is, but people testing reported they've been able to accomplish their tasks correctly (create image, burn data cd, burn iso...)
[10:50] <Quintasan> Hello. Is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skim/+bug/290304 already fixed?
[10:52]  * Riddell busy
[11:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: once 4.2 is released, may we plan a moment so that you can explain me the ninja process a little bit more ? I'll read the wiki since then ;)
[12:37] <freeflying> Tonio_: all the plugins in k3b can work?
[13:15] <seele> Tonio_: i haven't used it yet
[13:16] <apachelogger> Tonio_: sure
[13:16]  * apachelogger will go on floss vacation after 4.2
[13:18] <torkiano> seele: sorry, can you see the freenode buffer in quassel? 	
[13:18] <torkiano> I think it was a bug that you had the other day
[13:20] <seele> torkiano: it was fixed
[13:22] <torkiano> seele: which version you're using?tha last from scottk PPA?
[13:23] <seele> torkiano: yes
[13:23] <seele> actually, i havent had it installed since yesterday because i reinstalled intrepid
[13:24] <seele> but the last snapshot ScottK packaged was fixed
[13:24] <torkiano> seele: what strange... I'm talking with scottk in quassel channel, thank you
[13:28] <ScottK> seele: We could use some 4.1.4 testing.
[13:28] <ScottK> Since you're on intrepid again....
[13:28]  * ScottK notes that it IS releaed software.
[13:36] <seele> Riddelll: do you care to be in this email thread? i can drop you if it's boring
[13:36] <seele> ScottK: 4.1.4 testing of quassel?
[13:36] <seele> or other stuff?
[13:37] <ScottK> KDE 4.1.4.
[13:37] <seele> ok
[13:37] <seele> the only thing i've noticed now is that kontact goes boom when you downgrade
[13:37] <ScottK> It'll have bluetooth fixed if you care about that.
[13:37] <seele> but i figured out a way around that
[13:37] <seele> hmm.. i think i have a bt receiver somewhere i can use for testing
[13:38] <ScottK> We're getting lots of comments about bt.  I more need people to comment on 4.1.4 generally to get it all moved to -updates
[13:38] <seele> godamnit.. just closed an email i was responding to by default
[13:38] <seele> ok i'll look at it later
[13:39] <ScottK> seele: When you do, you'll have to enable intrepid-proposed.  Be careful to just install the KDE upgrades there.  Not all the other stuff in varying states of testedness.
[14:06] <Tonio_> freeflying: I didn't perform much qa for k3b yet
[14:06] <Tonio_> freeflying: I just expect it to be reviewed in the first place :)
[14:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: in case you can on that point, it's on revu, fyi
[14:06] <Tonio_> seele: oki
[14:07] <Tonio_> seele: well I'll add the point for the next meeting.... Riddell and I don't agree at all on that point (personaly I find ktorrent UI crap, and pretty much love kget...)
[14:07] <torkiano> ScottK: bluetooth in intrepid with KDE 4.2 rc works great here
[14:08] <ScottK> Great.
[14:08] <torkiano> only kbluetooth4-devicemanager
[14:08] <torkiano> fails
[14:08] <ScottK> Please file a bug then.
[14:09] <torkiano> ok, but that packages are from a PPA...
[14:10] <torkiano> I can file a bug anyway?
[14:12] <LeeJunFan> Any idea how I could track down why kopete seems to have a memory leak for me, but I find no bugs on kde.org or launchpad? I suspect since nobody else is complaining it must be a plugin not everyone is using.
[14:15] <ScottK> Remove all plugins and see if that solves it.  If it does, add them one by one until it reappears.
[14:17] <rgreening> Tonio_: hey. have you a new network plamoid for me to test out?
[14:19] <rgreening> ScottK: we are getting so close to kicking KDE 3.5 to the curb
[14:19] <ScottK> rgreening: Of the CD yes, but it'll be in the archive a LONG time.
[14:19] <ScottK> Of/Off
[14:20] <rgreening> I know, but I won't HAVE to have it unless I choose to... and I choose not to :)
[14:26] <rickspencer3> seele: it's actually before dawn here
[14:26]  * rickspencer3 engages in blatant one upsmanship
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so how does one do autojoin stuff with Quassel?
[14:33] <seele> JontheEchidna: dunno.. it just autojoined me when i opened the app again
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that's cool I guess.
[14:34] <seele> rickspencer3: lol.  get ready because i'm responding to MPT atm (although his is more on topic and thus more important than our quibbling :)
[14:35] <rickspencer3> seele: ok, I'll wait to see what you say their
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> so do I have to restart Quassel before color changes take effect?
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> cuz the colors aren't changing
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> guess so
[14:38] <Xand3r> ScottK: the 4.1.4 SRU bugs need verification
[14:38] <ScottK> Xand3r: Yes.  The do.
[14:39] <ScottK> The/They
[14:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: I thik he means the intrepid nominations
[14:39] <ScottK> Ah
[14:40] <apachelogger> Tonio_: whats with polkit-kde on revu?
[14:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: k3b got a phony version number again :P
[14:41] <apachelogger> Tonio_: if upstream decides to release alpha as 1.7x and beta as 1.8x and rc as 1.9x we are boned with our 1.99+svn
[14:43] <seele> rickspencer3: get some coffee.. it's way too early where you are
[14:49] <Nightrose> folks i am looking for the kubuntu icon for the identi.ca kubuntu group
[14:49] <Nightrose> can someone give me a hint where to look for it?
[14:49] <apachelogger> good luck with that
[14:49] <Nightrose> :(
[14:49] <apachelogger> first of all
[14:49] <apachelogger> the icon or the logo
[14:49] <apachelogger> then
[14:49] <apachelogger> the canonical logo
[14:49] <Nightrose> the icon
[14:49] <apachelogger> or our logo
[14:49] <Nightrose> the kubuntu one
[14:49] <apachelogger> and finally, an svg or a png
[14:49] <Nightrose> so ours i guess
[14:49] <apachelogger> former is way more difficult to find
[14:49] <Nightrose> png
[14:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: size?
[14:52] <Nightrose> hmmm whatever you have
[14:52]  * ScottK suspect Xand3r is about to get a big pile of bugmail.
[14:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: KubuntuArtwork on the wiki
[14:52] <Nightrose> 100 something is probably best
[14:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: gracias :)
[14:52] <Xand3r> ScottK: i get them^^
[14:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/kubuntu.png
[14:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *hug*
[14:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't that be like Kubuntu/Artwork?
[14:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: to be droped, old upload, due to a fix on my gpg key ;)
[14:57] <Tonio_> apachelogger: target for stable is 2.0
[14:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yeah, but not for $nextrelease
[14:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: there was already releases with 2.0 beta
[14:58] <ScottK> Tonio_: $CURRENVERSION+ is probablye safer
[14:58] <Xand3r> ScottK: the next 15 mails, you are fast^^
[14:58] <Tonio_> apachelogger: lemme guess the version number
[14:58] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: s/guess/check"
[14:59] <apachelogger> 1.0.5+kde4svn1010102
[15:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: chrpath is an unnecessary build-dep
[15:03] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum true that :)
[15:04] <Xand3r> ScottK: dont forget https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdewebdev-kde4/+bug/319779
[15:05] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's an old k3b 3 build-dep I forgot to remove :)
[15:09]  * ScottK looks
[15:12] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I fixed your points, if you have others (there will, no doubt !!) please lemme know
[15:15] <Tonio_> rgr
[15:15] <Tonio_> oups sorry
[15:31] <ScottK> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/422 <-- digikam RC out.
[15:33] <rgreening> latest xorg update hoses X for intel.. ouch. had to manually setup for vesa
[15:44] <allee> rgreening: ah, so it's not only me ;)
[15:46] <rgreening> allee: nope. I was foobared until I dropped to repair mode and manually switched on vesa vid driver. the repair mode really needs that as an option.
[15:49] <allee> rgreening: as long a ssh works I prefer this.  But you're right as Failback was not enough today
[15:49] <Tonio_> rgreening: still lots of commits for PNM, but still broken :)
[15:50] <Tonio_> rgreening: as soon as I can see that looks like working, you'll be the very first aware of it
[15:50] <rgreening> Tonio_: as always, you are supremely awesome :)
[15:50] <rgreening> Tonio_: did k3b for kde4 get done yet?
[15:52] <Tm_T> seele: hi
[15:54] <Tm_T> seele: two things I noticed on this poll: http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=ebvd43gp8iw5axya
[15:55] <Tm_T> seele: 1) columns are bit off  2) this am/pm time thing is, well, not clear to all of us, can it be 24h system?
[15:55] <Tm_T> seele: I don't know if we can do anything about those but thought I mention anyway
[15:57] <seele> Tm_T: talk to the doodle people, i just use the service
[15:57] <Tm_T> seele: I thought so
[15:58]  * ScottK considers to move the quassel-core from the dev server to a production on so he doesn't vanish when he is 'trying something'.
[15:58] <Tm_T> seele: prolly columns issue comes from my settings some how
[16:13] <apachelogger> Tm_T: just get an account to configure the date/time stuff
[16:18] <wesley_> I am testing if i can take the fan from the northbridge chipset
[16:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: bah that's just svn up and that's it :)
[16:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: not yet for k3b, apachelogger reviewed and found a couple of issues....
[16:19]  * apachelogger is too tried to fix his pbuilder for testbuilding
[16:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: when do new language-packs usually get created?
[16:21] <wesley_> I believe i messed intrepid up XD, I was unpatiented and just qiuted the update, now getting all errors about stuff that not gets configured
[16:21] <smarter_> !aptfix | wesley_
[16:22] <wesley_> smarter, didnt work
[16:22] <wesley_> i am on jaunty
[16:23] <smarter> don't expect any support then
[16:23] <wesley_> I mess everthing up. few weeks ago i did everday reinstall of osx8x and then kubuntu
[16:24] <wesley_> smarter, I didnt mess the jaunty box up, but the intrepid
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: when language packs get created from the launchpad export
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: and that is when launchpad feels like it?
[16:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think exports happen when launchpad feels like it and packaging when Arno feels like it
[16:25] <Riddell> but I could be wrong
[16:26]  * apachelogger moans
[16:27] <seele> ScottK: in -proposed, is the only way to install only kde-related packages to install each one by hand?
[16:27] <ScottK> Sort of.
[16:28] <ScottK> What I did what apt-get upgrade and then say N (No) and abort
[16:28] <ScottK> Then I copied that list into kate and edited it down to just the ones I wanted.
[16:28] <ScottK> then sudo apt-get install <paste>
[16:29] <ScottK> Then disable proposed so you don't forget and upgrade later.
[16:29] <wesley_> Kmess can bev label as unstable in current kubuntu, and 8.10
[16:29] <wesley_> ive tried them yesterday, may unstable program hanged
[16:39] <wesley_> 60 C is my northbridge fan now
[16:40] <wesley_> 59 C going look this over for today, so that i know how safe it is to let the fan off
[16:46] <Tonio_> apachelogger: looking at your revu for partitionmanager... I agree with your points, so I'll probably fix the little issues and upload
[17:02] <Tonio_> jpds: another little issue with revu :) I'm seen as a contributor, not a motu, and therefore I can't advocate...
[17:02] <Tonio_> jpds: just checked, and I'm still a core-dev and motu on launchpad :)
[17:03] <Tonio_> jpds: seems revu definatelly doesn't want me in..
[17:03] <jpds> Tonio_: Look for a merge accounts button.
[17:05] <Tonio_> jpds: my old account informations don't work anymore :)
[17:06] <Tonio_> jpds: in any case I'm loggued with my launchpad account.... should it see me as a motu ?
[17:10]  * jpds wonders where the alter_user.py script went.
[17:13] <mrvanes> I still have troubles with mysql 5.0/5.1 and akonadi dependancies. Is this known?
[17:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: FYI, partitionmanager is in NEW
[17:14] <jpds> Tonio_: OK; I've poked RainCT in -motu, he should know what to do.
[17:16] <Tonio_> jpds: many thanks for your help
[17:16] <Tonio_> jpds: I don't mind about the history.... just beeing able to revu :)
[17:16] <jpds> De rien.
[17:16] <Tonio_> jpds: :)
[17:20] <jpds> 11 second lunch.
[17:20] <neversfelde> hehe
[17:36] <Lure> Tonio_: is this what your were working on: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/french-lawmakers-hope-to-inspire-linux-revolution/
[17:39] <Tonio_> Lure: yep
[17:39] <Tonio_> Lure: :)
[17:39] <Lure> Tonio_: nice to see it in the news
[17:39] <Tonio_> Lure: still workking on it, hardy migration on the way
[17:39] <Tonio_> :)
[17:40] <Tonio_> kaffeine looks pretty mich abandonned.... sad to say but true
[17:40] <Tonio_> s/mich/much/
[17:40] <Tonio_> 3 month without any commit, and the codebase is still very little, more than a year after they annouced starting the port...
[17:42] <jussi01> Tonio_: have you looked at todays commits for nm?
[17:43] <Tonio_> jussi01 they still go on the way, but yeah, I'm following them :)
[17:49] <wesley_> still safe, running for 1 hour and 45 min without a fan on the northbridge
[18:11] <rickspencer3> seele: your emails are getting longer I think :)
[18:13]  * ScottK is curious about these emails ...
[18:14]  * Tonio_ just noticed that there are lots of very well rated kde4 that we don't have....
[18:14]  * Tonio_ goes in packaging mode...
[18:16] <rgreening> Tonio_: \o/
[18:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: most os the time those are super simple packages that can be done within minutes... :)
[18:19] <Tonio_> so sad to miss them in the repos
[18:19] <rickspencer3> ScottK: seele did a write up of a literature review of notifications
[18:19] <rickspencer3> she thinks the new designs are not well supported by the literature, while I think they are
[18:20] <rickspencer3> we've exchanged some mail :)
[18:20] <ScottK> I see.
[18:21] <ScottK> I don't know anything about the literature.  I like the idea of non-persistence.  I don't like the idea of clicking on a notification not doing anything when there is a useful thing to be done.
[18:38] <rgreening> yay. xorg-server-video-intel 2.6.1 published... maybe I can reboot into intel rather than vesa now.
[19:26] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[19:39] <ScottK> Bug 300334
[19:44] <seele> rickspencer3: sometimes it's hard to get it out of your head until someone asks the right question :)
[19:46] <Tonio_> guys, you shouldn't play with PNM right now :) it causes plasma to hang
[19:47] <Tonio_> but I've been able to see quite some improvement on the ui
[19:56] <seele> ooh, the quassel icons nuno did look pretty snazzy
[19:56] <Sput> yep
[19:56] <Sput> \o/
[19:57] <Sput> that's for the toolbar you wanted, seele :)
[19:57] <seele> yaay
[19:58] <seele> i know i owe you a discussion to the main quassel window without channels open
[19:58] <ScottK> Sput: When's the build system stuff going to get done so I can land another update?
[19:58] <Sput> seele: from a usability point of view, toolbar buttons should never change, right? they should rather be disabled if the action does not make sense?
[19:58] <seele> Sput: options on the toolbar should be disabled when the action is not available
[19:58] <Sput> ScottK: I'm working on it, but it proved to be more... extensive than I thought... possibly tonight, but I can't make any promises
[19:58] <Sput> seele: k, thought so
[19:58] <seele> so if you can't connect because no networks are defined, then it is disabled.
[19:59] <Sput> seele: so for example all the user actions (kick/ban/whois kind of stuff) are going to be disabled if you haven't selected a user in the nicklist, right?
[20:02] <Sput> ScottK: there will be a bunch of changes to how we treat icons, since we will need to install a subset of oxygen even with KDE present (many icons are either not in 4.2 or have changed paths), but I'll probably dump the other buildsys changes into master before tackling that
[20:02] <ScottK> OK.
[20:03] <Sput> ScottK: we'll have to do some testing if the way kubuntu handles the KDE install dirs works out of the box with the new system, according to what apachelogger told me they should
[20:03] <Sput> (i.e. no -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR needed)
[20:04] <ScottK> OK
[20:10] <wesley_> yeah what about Quassel, is that a kde4 irc ?
[20:10] <jussi01> yes
[20:10] <jussi01> !info quassel
[20:11] <Sput> ...that version is pure Qt still, though :)
[20:11] <seele> Sput: yes, that is how it should work (regarding selecting a user before being about to whois/kick/ban etc)
[20:12] <Sput> seele: ok, that's what I was thinking. Will be a bitch to implement, but I'll figure it out :)
[20:12] <wesley_> QT is basic like kde4
[20:13] <ScottK> Sput: It's not a hard requirement, but /ignore would be nice .....
[20:13] <Sput> ScottK: yes we know, /ignore is on our list of course, but won't make it in 0.4 most probably
[20:13] <ScottK> Understand.
[20:13] <Sput> I have a nice list of features I'll start working on as soon as 0.4 is frozen :)
[20:14] <Sput> (and bugfixed)
[20:34] <wesley_> guys i am measerung tempature trough the plasmoid, is it possible to do it in a terminail where i can see a chart of number ( its on 69 c now running already4 hours and 30 min
[20:37] <apachelogger> wesley_: Qt ... and no, it is not basically like KDE
[20:38] <wesley_> http://www.waarmaarraar.nl/pages/re/37465/Vrouw_kan_opleiding_niet_afmaken_door_Ubuntu.html guys a woman who blames Ubuntu because she could´nt finish her school
[20:40] <wesley_> Its about a dumb woman who wants to install windows word on linux, and then blames ubuntu there fore that its not working
[20:43] <nixternal> anyone know how to disable the system speaker? all of a sudden I have music blaring through it
[20:43] <ScottK> wesley_: It's also OT here.
[20:44] <nixternal> wesley_: sorry, but if you don't have anything nice to say about anyone, then please don't say anything at all
[20:45] <seele> wesley_: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/01/21/chill-pill/
[20:45] <apachelogger> nixternal: rmmod pcspkr
[20:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: around?
[20:48] <wesley_> I was translatinfg what that articel about go´s or do you guys speak dutchs ?
[20:49] <stdin> wesley_: most of us have seen the artical and are saddened by our community responce
[20:49]  * apachelogger didn't
[20:49]  * apachelogger also doesn't a whole lot
[20:49] <wesley_> stdin, since when do you talk dutch ?
[20:50] <stdin> wesley_: I don't, I saw the english artical ;)
[20:50] <seele> wesley_: the original article was reported by an american news agency
[20:50] <wesley_> lol, like i would have know that
[20:50] <wesley_> http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7462/schermafdruk1sl7.png
[20:50] <apachelogger> nixternal: you being our upstream dood ... does kmail plan on dropping that difference between disconnected imap and imap?
[20:52] <wesley_> would´nt it help to include standard wine ?
[20:52] <apachelogger> no
[20:52] <ScottK> wesley_: So far as I can tell you've managed to get warned every time you've shown up here this week.  Please straighten up or you'll find yourself unwelcome.
[20:52] <wesley_> I don´t do anything wrong ?
[20:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, did we settle on somebody to become rosetta link?
[20:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not AFAIK.
[20:53] <apachelogger> should do
[20:53] <apachelogger> I need someone to blame for KDE not defaulting the country to austria ;-)
[20:53] <ScottK> wesley_: People have complained about comments you've had at least 3 times and you aren't contributing to development, so figure out how to stay on topic or go chit chat elsewhere.
[20:54] <wesley_> its a chat channel????
[20:54] <apachelogger> #elsewhere
[20:54] <seele> wesley_: it's a tool for kubuntu development
[20:54] <wesley_> and i am testing jauty
[20:54] <wesley_> jaunty
[20:54] <stdin> !ot
[20:55] <stdin> factoids, gotta love 'em
[20:55] <apachelogger> bugs > factoids
[20:56]  * apachelogger has a solution for the 'kde doesn't have country set' bug
[20:57] <seele> heh
[20:59] <nixternal> apachelogger: I haven't heard anything about kmail dropping that, and don't know why they would since there is a difference
[21:00] <nixternal> disconnected imap works better than imap with exchange lusers like me :p
[21:00]  * nixternal goes back to work
[21:00] <apachelogger> oh my
[21:00] <nixternal> thanks for that trick by the way, forgot what to rmmod
[21:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: and blacklist that module
[21:01]  * apachelogger finds pc speakers the most awful thing ever
[21:01] <apachelogger> stdin: you speak sed, don't you?
[21:01] <nixternal> hahaha, rmmod pcspkr didn't work :/
[21:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: I would assume you have a weird pcspkr then :P
[21:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: ask the google
[21:02] <nixternal> ya, it started out of nowhere just playing through the pcspkr
[21:02] <nixternal> and of course crimsun is hiding
[21:02] <apachelogger> playing?
[21:02] <apachelogger> as in playing music? :P
[21:03] <stdin> apachelogger: only a little
[21:03] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes :)
[21:03] <apachelogger> cat /etc/default/locale | sed -e 's#^LANG="\(.*\)"$#\1#; s#\..*##' | sed -e 's,^.*_,,' | tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'
[21:03] <apachelogger> stdin: ^ can that be streamlined? ^_^
[21:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: hum hum, are you sure you mean pc speaker?
[21:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: as in the thing that beeps on system errors, or when gtk apps feel like making some noise
[21:06] <nixternal> apachelogger: it actually sounds like a somewhat decent speaker..this is in a dell precision t7400 workstation
[21:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: how idd you listen to music before?
[21:10] <nixternal> my headphones
[21:10] <nixternal> fixed it...dell has a real speaker in these damn power horses, so I unplugged it
[21:10] <apachelogger> nixternal: did try plug them out and in again?
[21:11] <nixternal> ya, didn't do anything
[21:11] <apachelogger> nixternal: I think on dell systems the override of internal speak is done via a software switch rather than a hardware switch
[21:12] <apachelogger> so it might be some issue in something alsaish (or lower)
[21:12] <nixternal> well, it is unplugged now :)
[21:12] <apachelogger> poor thing
[21:13] <stdin> apachelogger: cat /etc/default/locale | sed -e 's/^LANG="\([A-Za-z]*\)\(_[A-Za-z]*\)\..*"$/\1/'|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'
[21:13] <stdin> or, it seems to work for me
[21:14] <stdin> umm, no, that requires <lang>_<region>
[21:15] <apachelogger> huh?
[21:16] <stdin> eg: en_GB.UTF8
[21:16] <apachelogger> well, yeah
[21:16] <apachelogger> stdin: is that a problem?
[21:16] <stdin> are all codes like that?
[21:16] <apachelogger> should be
[21:17] <apachelogger> stdin: I' rather have some of them covered than none at all :)
[21:17] <stdin> isn't German just "de"
[21:17] <ScottK> stdin: Your regex produces en for me.
[21:17] <apachelogger> stdin: no
[21:17] <apachelogger> de_DE
[21:18] <stdin> well, then it should work :)
[21:18] <apachelogger> stdin: the syntax is flawed though, as ScottK says
[21:18] <apachelogger> spits out de for me
[21:18] <apachelogger> shoudl be at
[21:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's a difference?
[21:18] <apachelogger> cat /etc/default/locale | sed -e 's/^LANG="\([A-Za-z]*\)\(_[A-Za-z]*\)\..*"$/\1/'|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'
[21:18] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Still en here.
[21:19] <apachelogger> hm
[21:19] <apachelogger> quasel ate the output
[21:19] <apachelogger> anyway, my line spits out at, stdin's de
[21:19] <stdin> $ cat /etc/default/locale | sed -e 's/^LANG="\([A-Za-z]*\)\(_[A-Za-z]*\)\..*"$/\1/'|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'
[21:19] <stdin> en
[21:20] <apachelogger> should be gb for you, I guess
[21:20] <stdin> the 1st regex spits out en too
[21:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: doesn't make a difference for at vs. de, but might already for ch vs. de
[21:20] <ScottK> All those spit out en.
[21:20] <stdin> oh, no it doesn't :p
[21:20] <apachelogger> see :P
[21:20] <stdin> sed -e 's/^LANG="\([A-Za-z]*\)_\([A-Za-z]*\)\..*"$/\2/'|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'
[21:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: I was kidding anyway.  I know the difference (I've actually be to Austria).
[21:21] <stdin> apachelogger: that one should work
[21:21] <apachelogger> stdin++
[21:21] <ScottK> stdin's last one makes us for me.
[21:22] <apachelogger> now I just need to fiddle this in a startkde patch
[21:22]  * ScottK considers getting some popcorn while he watches the "Gnome sucks" show on #ubuntu-devel.
[21:26] <apachelogger> huh
[21:26] <apachelogger> automated tests
[21:26]  * apachelogger notes that automated tests never find regressions in code produced @work
[21:37] <stdin_> hey, where did api.kde.org go?
[21:37] <apachelogger> probably broken
[21:38] <smarter> stdin: at the same place anonsvn.kde.org and englishbreakfastnetwork.org went :p
[21:39] <stdin> it lies to me, it says it works :p
[21:39] <stdin> oh well, grep is my friend
[21:42] <Lure> apachelogger, Riddell: any news on kdegraphics rebuild? or are we waiting for kde 4.2 release?
[21:42]  * Lure want to see Qt book in okular ;-)
[21:46] <apachelogger> Lure: I think Riddell fixed it
[21:46] <Lure> apachelogger: build failed... :-(
[21:46] <Lure> afain
[21:46] <Lure> again
[21:46] <apachelogger> again?
[21:47] <Lure> apachelogger: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21536646/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.kdegraphics_4%3A4.1.96-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:47] <apachelogger> bah
[21:48] <apachelogger> easy enough to fix
[21:48] <apachelogger> oh
[21:48] <apachelogger> or rathter not
[21:48] <Lure> apachelogger: this is due to recent doc path change, right?
[21:48] <apachelogger> Lure: jonny already finished the 4.2.0 packaging of it
[21:48] <apachelogger> yes
[21:48] <apachelogger> vorian: pling
[21:49] <Lure> apachelogger: when will 4.2 get uploaded?
[21:49] <Lure> monday?
[21:49] <apachelogger> don't think so
[21:49] <apachelogger> tue or wed IIRC
[21:49] <apachelogger> well, one day before release, or on release day
[21:49] <Lure> apachelogger: come'on, we have a release party on Tue ;-)
[21:49] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:50] <apachelogger> all the better if we upload monday, means I can go sooner on vacation :P
[21:50] <Lure> apachelogger: that is good strategy - upload everything, and run ;-)
[21:50] <apachelogger> usually there are no, or only minor flaws anyway :P
[21:51]  * apachelogger edits his startkde to testdrive the country fix
[22:08]  * ScottK considers to start a flamewar on the Debian KDE list
[22:08] <ScottK> Based on someone calling our KDE 4.1 implementation 'poor'.
[22:09] <Quintasan> poor? lol
[22:10] <rgreening> ScottK: heh. Did they cite specifics?
[22:10] <ScottK> No.
[22:10] <rgreening> if not, then the accusation doesn't hold water and can safely be ignored :P
[22:11] <rgreening> we do not feed Trolls (at least we try not to - haha)
[22:11]  * ScottK considered writing back, "It's better than Debian's supported KDE4.1 release."
[22:12] <rgreening> some users like to bitch just to hear themselves talk and sould all important like.. but us intelligent folk know better :P
[22:12] <rgreening> s/sould/sound
[22:16]  * ScottK took a different tack.
[22:16] <ScottK> The description was a 'relatively poor implementation'.
[22:16] <ScottK> So my question was 'relative to what'?
[22:17] <vorian> apachelogger: semi-pong
[22:19] <seele> Sput: Quassel notifications in KDE should have a kcm config file for the Notifications kcm. That way users can configure it in System Settings in addition to any settings that are in the app
[22:19] <seele> ScottK: ^^
[22:20] <seele> that might be something kubuntu configures as part of our distro customization
[22:20] <ScottK> We have the one that they ship installed.
[22:20] <seele> hmm..
[22:20] <ScottK> So lemme know what needs to go in it.
[22:20] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[22:21] <Sput> seele: uhm, it has... I can configure my quassel notifications in systemsettings
[22:21] <seele> oh heh.  forgot i reinstalled intrepid
[22:21] <seele> i was wondering why quassel wasnt showing up
[22:21] <seele> Sput: sorry about that :)
[22:22] <Sput> :D
[22:22] <Sput> I was wondering :)
[22:22] <seele> it's just going to get worse.. classes start next week
[22:22] <seele> and i've got to teach a bunch of kids how do design user interfaces in addition to my own work
[22:23] <Sput> talk about that... I have a paper and project deadline at the same time as the kubuntu freeze
[22:23] <Sput> this is going to be a hard couple of weeks
[22:23] <seele> lol that sucks
[22:23] <apachelogger> vorian: if I change something in kdegraphics, could you merge it into jonnies 4.2?
[22:23] <apachelogger> or
[22:23] <apachelogger> if Lure does
[22:23] <apachelogger> because I am going to kill someone soon
[22:23] <rgreening> whens the freeze deadline...
[22:24] <rgreening> I need to finish ufw-kde before then :)
[22:25] <apachelogger> Lure, vorian: well, if you get a chance fix kdegraphics
[22:26]  * apachelogger needs to go to bed before this day becomes even worse
[22:26] <Lure> apachelogger: good night & thanks!