[00:48] <eddie594> Question
[00:50] <zoredache> !ask
[00:50] <eddie594> I need the packages for the beta xfce authenticated... what is the authentication server\file\etc
[00:51] <eddie594> one sec...
[00:51] <eddie594> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xubuntu-dev/ubuntu intrepid main
[00:52] <eddie594> Need help with that.
[00:53] <zoredache> why do you 'need' them to be authenticated?  You should be able to install without them being authenticated.
[00:54] <eddie594> Ubuntu bugs me and doesn't download them
[00:55] <zoredache> what do you mean 'ubuntu' bugs you?  I know if you where installing with apt, it gives you a choice to install packages that haven't been authenticated
[00:57] <eddie594> Err, thanks, I tend to use the gui as it requires less steps.
[00:57] <zoredache> vi you add a line 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;
[00:57] <zoredache> vi you add a line 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;' do your '/etc/apt/apt.conf' you may be able to convince your application to work
[00:58] <zoredache> if* you add....
[00:58] <eddie594> Does everyone still use vi?
[00:58] <zoredache> yes, i use vi very much.  I use it so much I type vi even when I am thinking of other things
[01:00] <subscious> are shared librarys the librarys alltogether or is it aditional stuff?
[01:01] <zoredache> subscious: sorry?
[01:01] <subscious> i need some additional libraries... now i see several diffrent libs
[01:01] <subscious> the shared libs are the runtime libs?
[01:02] <eddie594> Why don't they build an OS disc with an 'instant build from source' option?
[01:03] <zoredache> eddie594: eh?  you mean like gentoo?
[01:03] <eddie594> Yeah, but even gentoo I found it to take to many manuel steps
[01:03] <eddie594> Especially when you constantly upgrade
[01:03] <eddie594> Trying different comiling options etc..
[01:03] <zoredache> ah, well, it is simple.  Programmers suck
[01:04] <eddie594> lol
[01:04] <eddie594> Good explanation..
[01:04] <subscious> y not requesting it?
[01:05] <subscious> i dont think programmers suck!
[01:05] <eddie594> Well, ubuntu's philosophy probably isn't covering that section
[01:06] <zoredache> they don't really, but getting every developer to a point where they can build source packages so they could be reliably be built auto-magically is nearly impossible
[01:06] <eddie594> Linux still has a ways to go I believe
[01:08] <eddie594> Wow, I haven't used irc in almost a decade
[01:08] <subscious> how can i make the date modified column in thunar be more precise?
[01:13] <eddie594> I (at one time) used a command to measure the time to draw a theme on the screen. Anyone remember where (or the command) can be found
[01:15] <eddie594> Thanks. Must restart.
[01:16] <subscious> how can i make the date modified column in thunar be more precise?
[01:17] <zoredache> have you tried changing the 'date' setting in the preferences?
[01:18] <subscious> a ok i overlooked that
[01:21] <subscious> y the fuck is thunar not responding after beeing idle for a while?
[01:42] <subscious> test
[01:50] <a_> buenas noches necesito ayuda acabo de instalar xubuntu pero no tengo audio
[01:53] <charlie-tca> !spanish
[01:54] <a_> ok gracias
[04:35] <forces> saluton
[05:21] <Shadow__X> hello everyone
[05:22] <Shadow__X> i am trying to find the autostart manager but it seems to not exist
[05:22]  * forces is listening to: PANIC! At The Disco - A Fever You Can't Sweat Out - Lying Is The Most Fun A Girl Can Have Without Taking Her Clothes Off - (0:33/3:20)
[06:00] <tajlero> is this a bug I receive this when starting balazar brothers http://pastebin.ca/raw/1316087 should I submit this as a bug ?
[09:00] <LeAstrale> WB all :)
[09:23] <source> :O
[09:24] <LeAstrale> What a blast of a net split yeah.
[09:49] <Ongavezir> Hozsanna dicsõséges testvéreim
[09:50] <Ongavezir> Ongavezir The Holyness join the community
[09:50] <Myrtti> a-ha
[09:51] <Ongavezir> I am the President Of L.H.A. brotha'
[09:51] <Ongavezir> My first task kill da TUKS
[09:51] <Ongavezir> I am da TUKSKILLAH
[09:52] <Ongavezir> TUKS must Die! The king of Holy Trolls said
[10:53] <jarnos> I can't record by gnome-sound-recorder.
[10:54] <jarnos> in 8.10
[10:58] <jarnos> Neither in skype, but in linphone and audacity it works.
[10:59] <knome> have you checked which backends those use?
[11:03] <jarnos> knome: I guess gnome-sound-recorder uses gstreamer. I don't know.
[11:04] <Myrtti> jarnos: have you checked your input sources with alsamixer?
[11:04] <knome> jarnos, what does audacity/linphone usE?
[11:04] <knome> Myrtti o/
[11:04] <jarnos> knome: yes. No idea.
[11:06] <jarnos> Myrtti: I think they should be fine as microphone works in linphone.
[11:09] <nikolam> jarnos, try selecting apropriate soud device in program you use
[11:10] <jarnos> nikolam: I don
[11:10] <nikolam> I had problems myself with skype until set
[11:10] <jarnos> nikolam: I don't know how to set it in 8.10's gnome-sound-recorder.
[11:10] <nikolam> And also turn off automaticallz adjust mixer levels in skype
[11:11] <nikolam> jarnos, I was thinking skype is problem
[11:12] <jarnos> nikolam: it is too.
[11:12] <nikolam> well for skzpe select sound in experiment until zou select right one
[11:12] <nikolam> zou hav emake a test call there
[11:13] <nikolam> in sound recorder go to file: open volume control
[11:15] <Juanantonio> Hello. I want to install Xubuntu 8.10 in a 800 Mhz PC, will it recognize a DVD ReWriter Pioneer DVR-108 and a Ati Tadeon RV100 (I suppose it is a 7000 series)?
[11:15] <Myrtti> !hardware
[11:16] <Juanantonio> Thank you, I'm having a look
[11:16] <nikolam> Juanantonio, mostly will use eather default driver for ati or radeonhd
[11:16] <Juanantonio> I saw yesterday another driver, "radeon"
[11:17] <Juanantonio> nikolam, with the DVDRW I will have no problem then, will I?
[11:17] <nikolam> i think not
[11:18] <jarnos> nikolam: "Make a test sound" works, but "Make a test call" reports that "There is problem with audio playback".
[11:18] <nikolam> why woul d you
[11:18] <nikolam> jarnos, well select output you want
[11:19] <nikolam> maybe restart skype to make things work. anyway skype is external app. it is not part of ubuntu. even if it is on edibuntu repo
[11:19] <Bagualas> how may I install transalations??
[11:22] <nikolam> I used to search in synaptic and install
[11:23] <Juanantonio> Ati Radeon 7000 is capable of glx acceleration, isn't it?
[11:24] <knome> Bagualas, system -> language support
[11:25] <jarnos> nikolam: I found a working combination of devices in Skype. I think I have tried it before, but I also purged and reinstalled skype, so maybe that was part of the solution.
[11:26] <Bagualas> knome, I forgot to tell that is evolution language
[11:26] <jarnos> Still recording in gnome-sound-recorder does not work.
[11:27] <nikolam> jarnos I think it is same again, select device for recording jarnos
[11:27] <nikolam> Bagualas, evolution?
[11:27] <Bagualas> yeah
[11:29] <jarnos> nikolam: I don't find any means select device for recording there.
[11:29] <nikolam> Juanantonio, I think some. see #radeon or #radeonhd
[11:29] <nikolam> jarnos, record from input: ? version of recorder?
[11:30] <jarnos> nikolam: 2.24.0.1
[11:30] <Juanantonio> Ok, nikolam, thanks a lot
[11:30] <nikolam> Juanantonio, np
[11:32] <nikolam> U use 8.10 jarnos ? I am on 8.04.2
[11:32] <nikolam> Mine is 2.22
[11:33] <jarnos> nikolam: yes
[11:33] <tich> is anyone running xubuntu on a 901 eee pc?  i am having trouble finding out any info on how to install it.
[11:34] <knome> tich, i am. what kind of help do you need?
[11:35] <nikolam> tich http://wiki.eeeuser.com/
[11:35] <tich> i guess the handiest thing to know would be if someone has released a version of xubuntu (or an xfce4-centric os) with the array kernel
[11:36] <tich> oh, i will check that out i was so busy watching wha i was typing i missed your link!
[11:36] <knome> tich, just add  the array repositories to (x)ubuntu after installation
[11:37] <nikolam> tuch i don`t like external kernel. I use niceeepc script on 701 and default kernel
[11:37] <nikolam> on xubuntu
[11:37] <nikolam> but not for 901
[11:39] <tich> i have read that without the array kernel wireless won't work
[11:39] <tich> for the 901
[11:39] <tich> i guess they changed some hardware stuff
[11:39] <knome> tich, true. just install xubuntu and add the array repository and install the -eeepc kernel
[11:40] <knome> tich, i suppose you have an ethernet cable available?
[11:40] <tich> knome, yes but not reliably.
[11:40] <knome> you only need it once anfter you've installed.
[11:40] <knome> *after
[11:41] <tich> ah right! to install the new kernel
[11:41] <tich> ha i forgot about that!
[11:41] <knome> then after installing the -eeepc kernel, you can select to boot the eeepc kernel from grub
[11:41] <tich> right
[11:41] <knome> i'm not sure about if the intrepid kernel works, though
[11:41] <knome> didn't work for me
[11:41] <tich> oh, really
[11:42] <knome> but i use the hardy repositories and a bit older kernel then
[11:42] <knome> so include the hardy repos if the intrepid kernel doesn't work
[11:42] <tich> okay
[11:42] <tich> good to know
[11:44] <tich> did you have any issue with the keyboard?
[11:44] <knome> nope
[11:44] <knome> works with the default kernel.
[11:44] <tich> well that is either good news or you were lucky!
[11:44] <tich> even the function and special keys?
[11:44] <knome> i haven't heard of kb issues from anybody using any linux distro with eeepc
[11:45] <knome> they work eith the array kernel
[11:45] <knome> *with
[11:45] <tich> i thought i had read some stuff about the some of the special functions not working...
[11:46] <knome> yeah, but they work with the array kernel, as i said
[11:46] <knome> you even get the OSD working ootb
[11:46] <knome> iirc
[11:46] <tich> so with a regular install everythings works, more or less, except for wireless
[11:47] <knome> hmm.
[11:47] <knome> well, you can use the pc
[11:47] <knome> what doesn't work: camera, function keys/osd, wireless
[11:47] <knome> at least
[11:47] <jarnos> I gave up using gnome-sound-recorder. Using audacity, instead.
[11:47] <knome> but after you install the array kernel, everything what is supposed to work, works
[11:47] <tich> so i add the repos, plug it in, and add teh array kernel (do some tweeking) and big bam boom a working eeepc
[11:48] <tich> that is easy enough
[11:48] <nikolam> knome maybe some part of niceee script would help. It is not the same on 901?
[11:48] <knome> yeah, just install it from synaptic as any other package :)
[11:48] <knome> nikolam, what does it do?
[11:48] <nikolam> knome automatic fix for hardy on eeepc 701 for everything
[11:49] <nikolam> on default kernel
[11:49] <knome> nikolam, because i've had absolutely *no* issues with array.org kernel
[11:49] <knome> nikolam, i'm running intrepid on my eeepc :)
[11:49] <knome> nikolam, but with hardy kernel
[11:49] <nikolam> I am content with hardy and i wanted default kernel, soo :)
[11:49] <knome> yeah
[11:50] <tich> well thanks for the advice, i will check out the forum a bit more and probably get xubuntu up and running soon
[11:51] <tich> do you think (x)ubuntu will support the eeepc with the next release?
[11:51] <knome> i doubt that, but we will still have the array.org repository :)
[11:52] <knome> we'd only need to add hardware support for eeepc hardware, but i'm not sure if anybody is working on that.
[11:53] <tich> i guess it is easy enough; i am just lazy sometimes...
[11:53] <nikolam> knome, that should be doen for jaunty.
[11:53] <knome> nikolam, really? good to know.
[11:53] <nikolam> 701 and 901 LOL
[11:53] <nikolam> :)))
[12:11] <Juanantonio> Does Compiz work with Xubuntu? I know it's not recommendable, but I'd like to know it
[12:18] <Ketsueki> I have tried looking at the various ubuntu docs, but it wants me to change something in System -> Preferences -> whatever to change the mosue settings in the HAL, but I'm using xubuntu and XFCE's menu doesn't have any such area, I can't even find anything even close.
[12:19] <nikolam> Juanantonio, Yes It works.I installed but end up not using it. I see no use of it.
[12:19] <knome> Ketsueki, settings->settings manager ?
[12:19] <knome> Ketsueki, + what are you trying to do and where do these erroneus docs exist?
[12:19] <Ketsueki> knome: has -no- way of disabling tap touching on the stupid pad...
[12:19] <knome> !synaptics
[12:20] <Ketsueki> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[12:20] <Ketsueki> Yeah, that's what I was already trying to follow
[12:21] <Ketsueki> Basic Configuration with a Graphical Interface
[12:21] <Ketsueki> Ubuntu provides configuration of the most common touchpad options in System > Preferences > Mouse, under the Touchpad tab.
[12:21] <Ketsueki> However, I have no such tab.
[12:21] <knome> Ketsueki, yes, *Ubuntu*. if you're using xubuntu, please see section "Xubuntu and others"
[12:21] <Ketsueki> It was working fine, manually configured out in xorg.conf until I upgraded to 9.04 alpha whatever (I'm trying to get my laptop to suspend and resume more than once... I think I went backwards though, the first suspend/resume I tried failed ^.^;)
[12:22] <Ketsueki> That's only -advanced- there's no basic method?
[12:22] <Ketsueki> However, how do I change it in the HAL?
[12:23] <knome> Ketsueki, turning off tapping is not basic function either, i suppose
[12:23] <Ketsueki> from xorg.conf, right above where it commented out my previously working inputdevice # commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used
[12:23] <Ketsueki> knome: turning OFF tap clicking -is not basic-
[12:23] <Ketsueki> I think it is basic
[12:23] <knome> Ketsueki, from my pov it is not
[12:24] <Juanantonio> Nikolam, I use it in Kubuntu, I have both desktops and I use Compiz in K with shortcuts
[12:24] <nikolam> So Compiz is used for..
[12:24] <Ketsueki> From my point of view, tap clicking is something that should be off by default.  I never use it on any laptop because they always put the pads beneath where the sides of my thumbs rest when I'm between typing, or typing with poor ergonomics.
[12:25] <Ketsueki> So I end up clicking it...
[12:25] <Ketsueki> It also really sucks when I browse and lift my finger off the pad, because I don't want to move the mouse, then return it to move it furhter and end up clicking because the time is considerd a tap.
[12:25] <knome> Ketsueki, i always use tap clicking, so it's a question of taste.
[12:26] <Juanantonio> I use Compiz just to handle all the applications Kubuntu can open simultaneously
[12:26] <Ketsueki> knome: Besides all that, there's one other point.  It is considered a basic option for ubuntu but not the others?
[12:26] <nikolam> aha ok
[12:27] <knome> Ketsueki, ubuntu has different configuration utilies because it runs gnome and not, for example, kde or xfce, like xubuntu does.
[12:27] <Juanantonio> not because it is pretty, but because I customize and it is faster than KDE window manager
[12:28] <multik> g'day all
[12:29] <Juanantonio> Ketsueki, for example, I installed Kubuntu 64 8.04, and later installed LXDE desktop, and now I have also xubuntu desktop
[12:38] <nikolam> Hey I have a problem
[12:38] <nikolam> My DVD`s won`t eject
[12:38] <Ketsueki> knome: Ok, why can't I install the gnome config things and run them from command line?  I already have both the gnome and KDE libraries since XFCE uses gnome stuff, and kate (which I -really- like for syntax hiliting) use the others.
[12:38] <nikolam> I installed some udf packet support and also don`t know hoe to get rid of it now
[12:39] <nikolam> command eject works, only that way I can eject dvd`s
[12:39] <Ketsueki> nikolam: can you open a console and run 'eject -v /media/cdrom' ?  It might tell you that something's currently using the dvd or that you don't have access...  Oh well if that already works.
[12:39] <Ketsueki> I have no idea what's wrong since I never use the other ways of ejecting (besides the physical button)
[12:40] <Ketsueki> Well... this isn't going to help.  the stuff I need to reboot to have working is ready, but I am not ready for a reboot ATM...  I guess I'll be back if I have other issues.
[14:01] <subscious> hello... what would be a good alternative to thunar? (thunar is not responding a lot)
[14:01] <jarnos> subscious: pcmanfm
[14:03] <subscious> is thunar known for not responding?
[14:04] <Myrtti> I've never had problems with it
[14:05] <subscious> i have some ntfs partitions and an external drive... might they be the source of the problem?
[14:06] <subscious> whhat filemanager is ubuntu using?
[14:07] <knome> nautilus
[14:07] <knome> but xubuntu is using thunar.
[14:07] <subscious> is it available for xubuntu?
[14:07] <knome> yes, through synaptic. but be aware, it will steal your desktop.
[14:08] <subscious> steal my desktop? what do you want to say?
[14:08] <ablomen> subscious, it actually does steal your desktop, hes not kidding
[14:09] <ablomen> nautilus without the --no-desktop switch will kill the process that runs your desktop and take its place
[14:11] <subscious> haha sounds funny
[14:12] <ablomen> hehe yeah i was just thinking that nautilus is actually the guy from hitman, but slower
[14:12] <subscious> are all ubuntu distros based on debian?
[14:13] <subscious> is pcmanfm faster than thunar is?
[14:13] <LeAstrale> y
[14:13] <LeAstrale> they all are
[14:17] <subscious> what is good about debian?
[14:17] <knome> pcmanfm might be a bit faster than thunar. but to answer you original question; yes, ntfs partitions possibly are the cause of thunar being slow
[14:17] <knome> !debian
[14:19] <subscious> how can i make thunar show all mounted partitions in the explorer tree?
[14:19] <subscious> or have linux recognize them ... dunno
[14:21] <knome> subscious, so you have mounted the partitions? and can access them?
[14:21] <subscious> yeah
[14:21] <subscious> mounted them within media
[14:21] <subscious> /media/driveletter
[14:22] <knome> subscious, are you using shortcuts or tree view in thunar side pane? (view->side pane)
[14:22] <subscious> tree view
[14:22] <knome> well, then the drives should be available in /media
[14:23] <knome> under "File System"
[14:23] <subscious> the shortcuts view also doesnt show the partitions i mounted.
[14:23] <knome> subscious, it shouldn't by default, but you can add the partitions there
[14:23] <subscious> yeah but i want to see them besides filesystem in the tree
[14:24] <knome> subscious, i think that's impossible atm. i'm not sure about the next version of thunar.
[14:24] <knome> subscious, you can only add your own "bookmarks" in shortcuts side pane.
[14:24] <subscious> to bad
[14:25] <knome> i'm sorry.
[14:26] <subscious> well... its working :)
[14:26] <knome> yeah.
[14:33] <knome> subscious, the thunar developer says: "The reason is to keep the user interface clean and not to mix  too many concepts at the same time."
[14:34] <knome> subscious, (why you can't see bookmarks and file system tree at the same time)
[14:35] <subscious> well no thats not what i wanted actually ... i just wanted my partitions to appear within the tree .... as the filesystem and my external hdd does
[14:35] <knome> subscious, well they are appearing
[14:35] <knome> subscious, under /media
[14:35] <knome> subscious, ...or wherever you mounted them,
[14:36] <subscious> yeah ... the other distros managed to display them as drives
[14:37] <subscious> what is sock_alloc_send_pskb? whenever that shows up in the system monitor thunar doesnt respond anymore
[14:37] <kahrn> has anyone considered stuff like remote samba browsing etc.. in thunar?
[14:38] <kahrn> I use /etc/fstab to mount my shares, but it'd be nice for thunar to have an extension or native network browser
[14:38] <kahrn> if not for new users that don't want to mess with command line/mounting/etc
[14:41] <subscious> im new and i managerd to mount my partitions ..
[14:41] <kahrn> yeah
[14:41] <subscious> i have to admit that i simply copied a line from a forum ;)
[14:41] <kahrn> but I'm talking about if I was going to set up a xubuntu machine for someone else
[14:42] <kahrn> and they needed remote samba shares for files
[14:42] <subscious> mybe someone arround can help me getting nagios3 to run ... i installed it via aptitude...
[14:44] <kahrn> as ubuntu/kubuntu have network browsers if I'm not mistaken
[14:45] <knome> kahrn, sion. it will be available for jaunty. also, thunar might get some more network capabilities soonish O:)
[14:45] <kahrn> cool
[14:49] <subscious> whats the diffrence between netbeans and netbeans platform?
[14:51] <subscious> or asked diffrently would it be reasonable to install both? or does one of them include the other?
[15:16] <subscious> how can i have those tiny symbols showing system relevant information on my panel?
[15:22] <gabkdlly> subscious: right click the panel, then pick "Add new item"
[15:32] <subscious> what happens if i did this "mv ~/downloads /downloads/" with that folder: ~/downloads/ ..?
[15:33] <subscious> erm "mv ~/downloads ~/downloads/"
[15:40] <kahrn> subscious, I installed netbeans and it pulled everything it needed in and worked fine
[15:40] <kahrn> I don't think netbeans-platform is required.. or maybe it's pulled in by netbeans
[15:41] <kahrn> I tend to use blueJ for java stuff though as I'm a student :)
[15:51] <HandOf0mega> Hi guys
[15:51] <HandOf0mega> Got a bit of a problem.....
[15:52] <HandOf0mega> Listen just crashed so I rebooted my comp, but now Xfce only shows the wallpaper & desktop icons & no bars @ top & bottom
[15:52] <HandOf0mega> Is this serious, or am I being dumb? :-S
[15:52]  * wemakeyousoundba thinks neither
[15:52] <HandOf0mega> Is this an Xfce problem
[15:53] <HandOf0mega> ?
[15:53] <wemakeyousoundba> I can't remember, i think you need a terminal and: start xfce-panel
[15:53] <wemakeyousoundba> i'll check
[15:54] <HandOf0mega> hmmm, that doesn't work :-(
[15:55] <wemakeyousoundba> mybad: start xfce4-panel
[15:55] <wemakeyousoundba> try that
[15:55] <HandOf0mega> it says 'start: Unknown job: xfce4-panel' and i tried it wit sudo
[15:57] <wemakeyousoundba> try using run program to start it then >> alt + F2
[15:58] <HandOf0mega> nope :-(
[15:58] <wemakeyousoundba> not sure what to suggest there, wait for more knowledgeable people I guess
[15:58] <HandOf0mega> ok, cheers anyway
[15:59] <wemakeyousoundba> to cheer you up:  power cut killed my main computer MOBO last night  :'(
[16:00] <HandOf0mega> whoa! that's gotta suck :-o
[16:01] <HandOf0mega> GOT IT! it was xfce4-panel
[16:01] <HandOf0mega> power here the other week
[16:01] <HandOf0mega> fucked my suse box up a bit
[16:02] <wemakeyousoundba> sorry for the wrong advice, I thought you had to put in start
[16:02] <wemakeyousoundba> D'oh!
[16:03] <HandOf0mega> it's ok :)
[16:09] <HandOf0mega> Hmm, just tried to log out, but it asks me if i wanna exit the xfce panel rather than shutdown the computer
[16:12] <subscious> what is this swap partition thing about? i wasnt able to set one up on a hdd! will i need to buy a swap drive for linux to run properly?
[16:18] <nunu> hi, can someone tell me how I can get my grub to a higher version? I need a version that suppoerts ext4
[16:19] <nunu> do I need to dist-upgrade? If yes can I use the debian way in the sources.list (unstable instead of hardy)?
[16:20] <knome> no, unstable is not in ubuntu
[16:20] <subscious> ok ... nagios is not what i was searching for .... does anybody know good native system monitoring programs?
[16:20] <knome> subscious, what do you want to monitor?
[16:20] <knome> nunu, you have to upgrade to intrepid
[16:20] <subscious> all hdd activity
[16:20] <knome> !upgrade | nunu
[16:20] <subscious> at best for every process
[16:21] <subscious> and memory activity and process activity ...
[16:21] <subscious> mmmm something like sysinternals process explorer registry monitor and file monitor
[16:22] <nunu> knome, whats intrepid? the system using ext4 is a gentoo system...
[16:22] <kahrn> subscious, you can use htop for monitoring process activity (or top, or xfce-system-monitor)
[16:22] <knome> nunu, intrepid is the most current version (8.10), hardy is the second newest (8.04)
[16:23] <nunu> ah ok
[16:23] <nunu> thx =)
[16:24] <subscious> kahrn does one of those feature hdd and memory activity?
[16:25] <knome> subscious, htop can show you mem activity.
[16:25] <kahrn> not hdd activity.. but that can be done with another command
[16:25] <kahrn> iostat
[16:25] <knome> subscious, suppose the others can as well, but i think htop can do it most explicitly
[16:25] <subscious> hdd activity for each process?
[16:26] <kahrn> hm
[16:26] <knome> subscious, no. mem/cpu activity for each process (can also be shown as treeviewed).
[16:27] <subscious> hdd activity is the most important tho
[16:27] <subscious> and network activity per process
[16:28] <kahrn> iostat can give hdd activity, but I don't think it can do it per process
[16:32] <knome> subscious, see atop (i'm not sure if it will help though, and you definitely need to read 'man atop')
[16:39] <InvaderZim> hello everyone
[16:39] <InvaderZim> I have a quick question
[16:40] <InvaderZim> I'm running Xubuntu on an old Pentium 2.
[16:42] <InvaderZim> the monitor's resolution should be 1024x768 at 85Hz
[16:43] <knome> !resolution
[16:44] <InvaderZim> but it's stuck at  800x600 37.9 kHz/ 60Hz
[16:45] <InvaderZim> settings manager used to give me a resolution option for the recommended, but now it's gone
[16:46] <InvaderZim> can anyone tell me where it wet
[16:49] <InvaderZim> hello?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> hello
[17:00] <InvaderZim> I'm running Xubuntu on an old Pentium 2.  the monitor's resolution should be 1024x768 at 85Hz
[17:01] <InvaderZim> i had it that way as it was the recommendd setting
[17:01] <InvaderZim> but it changed, and the option inside of settings manager is gone
[17:01] <InvaderZim> is there a quick way to do it thru the CLI?
[17:06] <InvaderZim> is there anyone even here?
[17:08] <InvaderZim> someone please help me
[17:09] <InvaderZim> wow, so much for community support
[17:24] <alienkid> hi guys I have a big(?) proplem on my normal Linux install
[17:25] <alienkid> it won't connect to the internet at all and when I move my mouse over the network manager applet in the system tray it says "network manager nor running" what do I do?
[17:27] <alienkid> *"'network manager not running"
[17:27] <tajlero> do a rain dance and sign a prayer alienkid
[17:27] <alienkid> ?
[17:28] <alienkid> you have to be kidding me? Charlie do you know how to get it running again??
[17:33] <zoredache> was it working before?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> he is gone, zoredache
[17:46] <alienkid> ok I found a thread on the forums so i am going to reboot in to my install and try it out
[17:49] <kahrn> .. :|
[18:18] <subscious1> hey can someone tell me what the circle-labeld button on the top-left of a window is good for?
[18:19] <cody-somerville> subscious1, pinning
[18:19] <cody-somerville> It makes the window appear on all your virtual desktops
[18:19] <cody-somerville> (also called "workspaces")
[18:19] <subscious1> cool thanks
[18:45] <gabkdlly> subscious: you can configure it away if you don't like it
[18:47] <gabkdlly> subscious: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Window Mangager -> Style -> Button Layout
[20:02] <cody-somerville> A Ubuntu Developer Week session on Xubuntu is starting in #ubuntu-classroom in a few minutes! Come join us!
[21:07] <migi> hello there
[21:08] <gabkdlly> migi: hi
[21:08] <migi> is this the place to ask questions regarding xubuntu?
[21:08] <gabkdlly> yes
[21:08] <gabkdlly> sometimes you get lucky and someone who knows your answer is ready to respond ;)
[21:09] <migi> alright. i am trying it now from the bootable cd. everything seems to be fine except that i don't know how to turn on my tv-out
[21:09] <migi> any ideas?
[21:10] <gabkdlly> I tried that once, over HDMI, I had to restart X to get it to work
[21:10] <migi> sorry, what's HDMI?
[21:10] <migi> & 'X'?
[21:10] <TheSheep> connecting the tv and running 'xrandr --auto' from terminal should make it work
[21:10] <gabkdlly> a protocol for digital video
[21:10] <gabkdlly> ah, TheSheep saves the day again :)
[21:11] <TheSheep> if that doesn't work, 'xrandr --output TV --auto' might work instead
[21:12] <migi> amazing! working perfectly! ta!!!
[21:12] <migi> maybe it's possible to do a so called 'extended desktop'?
[21:12] <TheSheep> !xinerama
[21:13] <migi> and how to turn the monitor off then? write the same line again?
[21:14] <TheSheep> 'xrandr --output TV --off'
[21:14] <TheSheep> or disconnect it and do the auto thing
[21:16] <migi> ta!
[21:16] <migi> see you later! thanks a lot for your help!
[21:55] <Name141> I have a problem with my external not working in 8.04 LTS.   I run the install for 8.04 and it causes my external drive's light to go "red".  And it hangs.  However, I run the install for 8.10 and it doesn't hang up.  Should I try to flip off the hard drive, install the OS, upgrade it, then flip back on the HD?  Or would I be wasting my time as it wont work even after upgrade?  I have problems with 8.10.
[21:59] <zoredache> Name141: I would be tempted to try the install with the disk disconnected.  When does it go red?
[22:00] <Name141> zoredache: right after Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu little animation starts to move about the boxes
[22:00] <zoredache> as soon as you boot the livecd, or after you start the install
[22:00] <Name141> The 8.10 works, however the NIC doesn't work with it
[22:00] <Name141> for some reason
[22:01] <Name141> It makes my router flash , and I can't get a connection
[22:01] <zoredache> try booting the livecd, and then connecting the external drive.  If that works, then instally 8.04 will probably work
[22:01] <Name141> I even tried to manually set the IP
[22:01] <zoredache> Name141: why do you believe your nic will work in 8.04?  has it worked there in the past, or are you just hoping it will?
[22:02] <Name141> zoredache: 8.10
[22:02] <Name141> the NIC works in 8.04 LTS
[22:02] <Name141> Which is why I want to install the LTS
[22:02] <zoredache> so you hand 8.04 installed and it worked before?
[22:03] <Name141> That's correct.  Until I got this new HD
[22:03] <Name141> The HD causes hang ups for some reason
[22:03] <Name141> And I haven't been back to *ubuntu to see if the upgrades fix it
[22:04] <Name141> I also had a problem with 8.04 LTS, where I have to use f6, and type acpi=off
[22:04] <Name141> for the installer to load
[22:06] <Name141> zoredache: Anyway, I'll go try to Live version
[22:53] <live4ftjw> is there an admin in here who could help me out with a hard drive install of xubuntu 8.04.1?
[22:56] <live4ftjw> anyone?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> What kind of help do you need?
[22:57] <live4ftjw> I would like to do a hd install of xubuntu 8.04.1
[22:57] <live4ftjw> I am having one hell of a time trying to do so
[22:58] <charlie-tca> What is happening? any error messages?
[22:58] <live4ftjw> I have grub4dos, I have successfully booted the install but it keeps asking for a cd and I cant bypass that
[22:59] <charlie-tca> I do not know anything about grub4dos
[22:59] <live4ftjw> ight forget about grub4dos
[23:00] <live4ftjw> do you know about hd installs?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> So, which cd are you using? Did it pass the cd integrity check?
[23:00] <live4ftjw> I'm not using a cd at all
[23:00] <live4ftjw> I do not have access to a burner at this time
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I don't think I can help you.
[23:00] <live4ftjw> damn
[23:00] <live4ftjw> you've never done an install with out a cd?
[23:01] <live4ftjw> strictly using an iso
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Only to virtual box, which sees the image as a cd in a virtual cd drive.
[23:01] <live4ftjw> can that be run from windows?.
[23:02] <live4ftjw> ok i have to eat just leave the resonse so I can read it when i return, thanks for trying
[23:02] <charlie-tca> You should be able to use WUBI from windows.
[23:02] <charlie-tca> !wubi
[23:18] <live4ftjw> ya i tried that already
[23:18] <live4ftjw> didnt work
[23:19] <live4ftjw> well it did it's job of putting the files on the hd but I couldnt get the installation to work
[23:19] <live4ftjw> that was looking for a cd as well
[23:21] <live4ftjw> any admins that know about how to use wubi or to do a hd install using strictly an iso, grub, kernel, and ram-disk?
[23:24] <live4ftjw> anyone able to help me out here?
[23:25] <live4ftjw> anyone alive out there?
[23:26] <fonzarelli> hi
[23:26] <live4ftjw> hey
[23:26] <fonzarelli> live4ftjw: did you ask your question yet, i just showed up
[23:27] <live4ftjw> yes i did, you an admin?.
[23:27] <fonzarelli> no
[23:27] <live4ftjw> well then you may not be able to help me
[23:27] <fonzarelli> ah, k
[23:27] <live4ftjw> unless you know how to do an hd install with out using a cd
[23:28] <fonzarelli> live4ftjw: did you see this?  its for ubuntu, but i bet it would work for xubuntu as well:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[23:28] <charlie-tca> live4ftjw: I don't think you will have much luck with admins. We are all volunteers here.
[23:29] <live4ftjw> well any volunteer that can help me is more than welcome to
[23:30] <live4ftjw> the only thing I didnt try on that forum message was to use the windows partition
[23:30] <live4ftjw> maybe thats why all of this is not working
[23:31] <live4ftjw> alright thanks to all of those that tried to help, I'm going to take another stab, hopefully this one works
[23:46] <Araneidae> Trying to copy a CD with surprisingly little luck. `sudo dd if=/dev/scd0 of=file.iso bs=1024` reports "dd: reading `/dev/scd0': Input/output error" -- not so helpful.  Any ideas?
[23:47] <TheSheep> Araneidae: scratched cd
[23:47] <TheSheep> most likely
[23:47] <Araneidae> Afraid not.  OSX is reading very happily
[23:47] <Araneidae> Actually, Sound Juicer read it -- but balked when I tried to insert a blank to write to
[23:50] <Araneidae> I'm not getting any kind of desktop mount when I insert the CD ... but then it's an audio CD, so presumably that's normal...
[23:54] <TheSheep> is it a cd made by Sony?