[04:10] <LaserJock> evening all
[04:13] <calimer--> hiyda :D
[04:13] <calimer--> er hiya :D
[04:14] <LaserJock> how are things going?
[04:14] <calimer> pretty good but stressful
[04:15] <calimer> I'm trying to not let this voting for sb thing get to me too much
[04:15] <calimer> I can't wait until it is over
[04:15] <LaserJock> heh
[04:15] <calimer> and I got an e-mail to talk at some IGDA conferences which is kind of cool
[04:16] <calimer> independent game conference and game education summit
[04:18] <LaserJock> cool
[04:18] <calimer> yeah I'm really hoping this stuff can open the doors for sandbox
[04:18] <calimer> and really get it in schools
[04:19] <calimer> sb isn't even close to its potential
[04:19] <calimer> but anyway
[04:19] <calimer> haha
[04:19] <calimer> oh yeah and we have the debian packages just about set, I have to write the man pages and I think that is the last piece of the puzzle
[04:20] <LaserJock> calimer: awesome, congrats
[04:21] <calimer> its congrats to everyone, and mostly to the kids
[04:21] <calimer> it is just my dream to really get it to them so that is why I push it a bit, hopefully not too much haha
[04:21] <calimer> how are things on your end?
[04:21] <LaserJock> decent
[04:22] <LaserJock> I just uploaded KDE Edu 4.2.0
[04:22] <LaserJock> we also had some discussion about user management
[04:27] <calimer> ah cool
[04:27] <calimer> I really need to get ubuntu on my nix drive
[04:27] <calimer> that mandrake 10.1 is soo ancient
[04:27] <calimer> I'm sure things have come a real long way
[04:28] <calimer> btw I was trying to think of a way to somehow manage all these educational games and software
[04:28] <calimer> I was thinking about making an area on my webpage or maybe it should even just have its own webpage
[04:29] <calimer> there is so much awesome educational software but from what I'm aware of no central place to really find out what is out there
[04:29] <calimer> because grabbing edubuntu of course :)
[04:29] <calimer> and also articles on educational software and such
[04:30] <calimer> and I should make a game making resources page on my site too that lists free dev software and resources
[04:30] <LaserJock> well, what's really hard it to find a list of educational software that give syou an idea of the quality of the software
[04:31] <calimer> I'd like to help change that
[04:31] <calimer> maybe even a way for people to add their own comments and experiences on the software too
[04:32] <LaserJock> right
[04:32] <calimer> I need to put this in my todo hah
[04:32] <calimer> a
[04:32] <calimer> so much to do
[04:33] <LaserJock> calimer: check out this spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuApplicationReview
[04:36] <calimer> interesting, doesn't look too complicated, I hope haha
[04:36] <LaserJock> calimer: there's also brainstorm.ubuntu.com/education
[04:36] <calimer> how do I add? propse a goal?
[04:37] <calimer> wow sandbox would be perfect for that
[05:00] <calimer> thanks for pointing that out!
[05:07] <calimer> that reminds me I want to pitch sb to museums
[05:07] <calimer> they could create historical places so we could have a 3D walkthrough!
[05:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:09] <calimer> some guy suggested using it to make a game to teach kids vocabulary
[05:10] <calimer> I think that is a great idea as well, we already have the code to have several different npc dialog options
[05:10] <calimer> so npcs could quiz the kids and if they get it right they get some points
[05:10] <calimer> get enough points and they can get a super power like flying or jumpping high or something
[05:10] <LaserJock> reminds me kinda of what some people are doing with Second Life
[05:10] <calimer> what are they doing?
[05:11] <LaserJock> I know a chemistry professor that uses it for quizzes and things for his class
[05:11] <calimer> ah interesting
[05:11] <calimer> do you have his contact info? I would love to chat with him about it
[05:11] <calimer> see if I can get any of that into SB
[05:12] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know if I do
[05:12] <calimer> I'm so glad that sb is finally starting to catch on a bit
[05:12] <calimer> there is such unlimited potential
[07:44] <Meshezabeel> calimer: are you talking about a specific sandbox app?
[07:44] <calimer> yeah, http://kids.platinumarts.net
[07:47] <Meshezabeel> calimer: sounds neat, any videos of it anywhere?
[07:48] <Meshezabeel> oh, guess youtube has some ;)
[08:03] <Meshezabeel> If successful the tab will say VOTED next to ""Standbox"".
[17:19]  * Ahmuck bumps the channel
[17:20] <Ahmuck> so someone was telling me i could install ubuntu or xubuntu on the stand alone machines and then use local apps and would in fact get the same type of setup with fat clients?
[17:20] <Ahmuck> central login, central software managment?
[17:20] <Ahmuck> central /home storage?
[17:20] <nubae> hmmm, standalone machines?
[17:20] <Ahmuck> 1ghz, 256mb ram
[17:20] <Ahmuck> i really need to move to fat clients for what were trying to do/test/etc.
[17:20] <Ahmuck> a type of fat client
[17:21] <nubae> so, use fatclient, whats teh problem?
[17:21] <Ahmuck> and i've been confused
[17:21] <nubae> I suppose what they meant to say that ltsp fatclient, is very similar to running a standalone fat client
[17:22] <Ahmuck> actually iirc, they were telling me that local apps were a type of fat client
[17:22] <nubae> well, no
[17:22] <Ahmuck> well, iirc, i could never get the fat clients to connect to the inet
[17:22] <nubae> localapps are a single application running in the chroot of a thin client
[17:23] <nubae> well, thats not normal... many people are running fatclient, and there have been no problems with internet connectivity
[17:23] <nubae> but if I recall, you had something weird with yourd driver
[17:23] <nubae> nvidia driver iirc
[17:24] <nubae> if u need just some apps running fat, use localapps, if u need the whole computer running fat, use fatclient
[17:35] <Ahmuck> one of the issues i had about fact clients is i would be maintaining two seperate installations
[17:36] <Ahmuck> i'm wondering if there is a way to get a fat client without having a sepearte build?
[17:36] <Ahmuck> when would i need the whole computer running fat?
[17:37] <Ahmuck> in truth, i really only need certian apps running fat, those that would require local graphics, or processor speed
[17:37] <Ahmuck> actually, local graphics ?
[17:43] <nubae> well, as I understand it, there are still some issues with local apps saving to local usb stick and firefox printing, that kind of thing...
[17:43] <nubae> but yes, u must maintain 2 seperate chroots... the thin client one and the fat client one
[18:02] <bsnyder> i'm trying to install 8.10 desktop on an ibm netvista and faling - 1) boot from cd, 2) select english, 3) select install, 4) monitor powers off
[18:02] <bsnyder> i can't figure out why the monitor keeps powering off - the pc seems to just be completely idle (no activity on cd drive)
[18:03] <bsnyder> my intention is to install the edubuntu add-on after this
[18:03] <bsnyder> any have any idea why the monitor keeps powering off?
[18:04] <alkisg> bsnyder: try pressing F6 two times at the boot screen and playing with `nolapic` and the other kernel parameters there. If that fails, try installing from the alternate ubuntu cd. If that fails, ask at #ubuntu! :P :D
[18:04] <bsnyder> alkisg: thanks, i'll give that a shot
[18:57] <Ahmuck> what does local apps do?  offload the proc, mem, vidoe to the local pc?
[18:57] <Ahmuck> i thought that was fat client?
[18:59] <nubae> local apps = 1 app
[18:59] <nubae> fatclient = whole system
[19:30] <Ahmuck> local app, one app at a a time?
[19:35] <nubae> yeah
[19:46] <Ahmuck> actually, i can't see most people being focused on more than one fat app at a a time
[19:46] <Ahmuck> have you?
[19:46] <Ahmuck> hi bsnyder
[19:47] <bsnyder> hello
[20:12] <mattva01> anyone know the best way to diagnose ltsp issues on edubuntu?
[20:13] <alkisg> mattva01: be a little more specific...
[20:15] <mattva01> i have an edubuntu 8.10 box running ltsp, from a client computer configured with a static ip I can ping it, but can't get dhcp to hand out address, wireshark seems to show that its not even getting the requests. This is driving me up a wall, as it was working several weeks ago
[20:19] <alkisg> Is dhcp server running? Do you have a firewall? Did you change some switch (some of them may cut broadcasted traffic)?
[20:20] <mattva01> does anyone know?
[20:21] <mattva01> dhcp is running and no firewall
[20:22] <alkisg> Try connecting the client to the server with a crossover cable
[20:22] <mattva01> ok, i'll try that
[20:30] <triak> hi, I'm running ltsp5 and iTalc as ltsp-localapp, my problem is with ldm. Power down button does not work in the panel, i think this because the service is not run under root privileges. How/Can I run ica-launcher as root?
[20:30] <triak> has anyone done something similar?
[20:34] <alkisg> triak: I've never installed italc locally, but see if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
[20:35] <mattva01> alkisg:switch was broken, thanks for the help :)
[20:35] <alkisg> mattva01: yw
[20:37] <triak> alkisg: thanks. i have to look on that one
[20:43] <calimer> I have a trailer I'm working on of kids enjoying platinum arts sandbox, a free 3d game maker
[20:43] <calimer> and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to give me feedback on it
[21:05] <Meshezabeel-away> calimer: heading out the door right now, but I'd love to see the trailer and comment on it when I get back
[21:09] <calimer> sounds good, thanks!
[21:09] <calimer> I should be around, trying to figure out how to add text and such D:
[22:48] <Meshezabeel-away> calimer: back
[22:51] <calimer> http://kids.platinumarts.net/sbkidtrailer.avi
[22:51] <calimer> trying to find a way to annotate it but just going to use youtube for now
[22:52] <Meshezabeel> what editor do you use?
[23:25] <calimer> whatever I can find, haha
[23:25] <calimer> for that video I used virtualdub
[23:25] <calimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvy3h3z8cvw
[23:40] <Meshezabeel> calimer: what intended audience are you expecting for the trailer and what goals do you have associated with it?
[23:40] <calimer> parents, teachers, kids,  to get it into schools and to kids
[23:41] <Meshezabeel> so is the trailer meant for people who haven't really heard of sand box before?
[23:42] <calimer> yep
[23:42] <calimer> I'm going to do another one of the game play options soon as well
[23:42] <calimer> going through the different maps and game mdoes
[23:48] <Meshezabeel> okay, here is my critique. I think the video is too long because mostly it is just jumping around. People that are just learning about sand box are going to be wondering what else can be done besides just jumping around and may watch the whole video and get nothing else out of it. I think the best thing to do is to shorten down the video quite a bit. Also, for this type of video, I would recommend voice overs rather than text
[23:48] <Meshezabeel> captions explaining what the different parts of the video are about. Lastly, I would recommend actually interviewing the kids and asking them what they think of sand box, etc.
[23:50] <calimer> okay maybe I should make a note that there is a tutorial video
[23:51] <calimer> interviewing them is tough because of protecting their safety
[23:51] <Meshezabeel> indeed, I was thinking of that too
[23:52] <calimer> I think I'll make a note that this video is kids having fun, and if you want to know about creating in it then check out our tutorial video
[23:53] <Meshezabeel> yes, either make the note at the beginning of the video, or in the youtube text comments.
[23:54] <calimer> thanks for your observations, that is some good insight
[23:54] <calimer> I was thinking of shortening it a bit but I like watching her go into edit mode when she is supposed to be trying to jump haha
[23:56] <Meshezabeel> no problem, and I hope I didn't offend.
[23:56] <Meshezabeel> how many people work on the project?
[23:57] <calimer> two, haha
[23:57] <calimer> no you didnt' offend me at all
[23:57] <calimer> I love constructive criticism
[23:57] <calimer> only way to improve
[23:58] <calimer> er, not only way, but one of the best ways :D
[23:58] <Meshezabeel> indeed, but also realize that you also enjoy it more for sentimental reasons (because she is your daughter (I assume)), whereas if you were watching some other random kid play you probably wouldn't care as much. And of course there's sentimental reasons being your project as well.
[23:58] <calimer> and just FYI I don't know these kids personally
[23:58] <calimer> this was a father sending me a 19 min vid
[23:58] <Meshezabeel> haha, lol
[23:58] <calimer> and me editing it
[23:58] <calimer> and of course checking with them to make sure it was okay
[23:59] <calimer> I don't think they are even from the US
[23:59] <calimer> I enjoy it because I like seeing kids happy :)
[23:59] <Meshezabeel> yeah, sometimes you want to make sure you get a written autorization when getting permission to use other people's kids in a video. Though maybe e-mail communication is good enough.
[23:59] <calimer> yeah I talked to them in IRC