[00:30] evening [00:30] does the kde4 kmail now work with imap? [00:49] kwwii: its been working for a good while now afaik [00:54] jussi01: erm, not on my system...it crashes again and again [00:54] and if it doesn't crash it simply doesn't work [00:54] it works fine with the kde3 version [00:54] kwwii: weird. you are on the old packages or the 4.2 ones? [00:54] I have tried both imap and disconnected imap [00:55] jussi01: I am running intrepid with the old packages I guess [00:55] I want to update to jaunty on my laptop but it is currently running hardy (with kde3 where it works) [00:56] kwwii: ahh. Im using 4.2 and it works here [00:56] if I loose my imap account I will no longer get my kde emails [00:56] hrm [00:56] maybe I should update my intrepid install then [00:56] this just sicks [00:56] sucks [00:56] I happen to rely on this stuff for work [00:56] :( [00:57] if I click on the namespaces edit icon it simply crashes [00:58] * seele waves at kwwii [00:58] kwwii: very weird. have you considered the other kde4 client out there? [00:58] which one is that? [00:58] hello seele! [00:59] I use kmail because it has all the features I need [00:59] hi seele :-) [00:59] hrm, trying to remember the name [00:59] I am about ready to (gulp) use thunderbird or something [00:59] I really need to update this laptop to jaunty [00:59] !info mailody [00:59] mailody (source: mailody): fast IMAP mail user agent for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-4 (intrepid), package size 388 kB, installed size 1400 kB [01:00] but the kde4 packages on my hardy install and intrepid simply don't work with imap [01:00] kwwii: not sure if the kde4 ones are there yet [01:00] ouch, nope...I don't think I need an extra email app [01:00] kde4 has just pissed me off to be honest [01:01] * jussi01 huggles kwwii [01:01] it looks sooo nice and is soo much faster but only has half the functions of kde3 [01:01] kwwii: 4.2 rc1 is a big improvemnt imho. [01:01] I mean, I am old-school kde...but this just makes me want to switch to something that works [01:01] right, which means extra work and extra risk [01:02] boah [01:02] oh well [01:02] thanks for the info [01:02] kde seems to be trying to kill itself these days...sad [01:03] * jussi01 is sad kwwii has had a bad experience [01:07] jussi01: you cannot imagine how strongly I feel the same way [01:07] kmail is simply the best email client which exists [01:08] I love it [01:08] and the kde4 version is soo much faster [01:08] but this is breaking my back [01:08] I need it [01:08] oh well, time for sleep [01:08] it can wait another day [01:08] jussi01: thanks for the help [01:09] seele: when do you start at canonical? :p [01:09] I am going to ask that every time I see you in hope that one day it might happen :) [01:10] kwwii: hah [01:10] kwwii: i dont really feel like moving to london now that we've got a decent president :) [01:10] kwwii: and i dont know if the UX team is too happy with me atm. we've been discussing my divergent view on notifications [01:11] seele: I almost cried when I heard that Obama won...and the same agin at the inauguration [01:11] seele: no worries, I think they will get a *lot* of shit once that stuff gets out in the wild [01:11] kwwii: yeah.. i think the entire world is excited about it hehe [01:11] but don't say I said that [01:11] * seele hopes he doesn't let us down [01:12] yeah, me too...he cannot be perfect but so many people expect him to be [01:12] well, he would have to try pretty hard to meet bush standards, so i think we'll be ok [01:12] I guess I don't have to worry about imap support, Obama will fix it [01:13] it would be hard to do worse :p [01:13] rofl [02:19] Hi! Does anyone know if they had considered to use SMPlayer as default media player for Kubuntu 9.04? It is better than Dragon Player, and Kaffeine isn't yet ported to KDE4. === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [02:28] usr: SMPlayer uses phonon? [02:30] I don't know, it uses mplayer, and qt4 only [02:30] http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/ [02:31] mmmm, then I don't believe that kubuntu developers consider it to replace dragonplayer [02:38] O.K., it was only to give the idea, because is a great media player. Thank you. :-) [02:41] usr: yeah, i'm only a user, not a developer. But dragon is great too ;-). (I'm downloadding smplayer now to try) [02:43] yes, yes, I know that you are only a user, but thanks for your answer also [02:44] add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/ubuntu intrepid main" to get the latest version [02:46] if you have problems with the sound, select "openal" audio output in SMPlayer [04:12] ScottK: Ping test [08:48] kwwii: actually akonadi ought to solve the imap issue ... in theory at least ;-) [09:16] obviously a lot of people in here use quassel :P [09:30] apachelogger: thats cause quassel rocks? :D [09:32] possibly === Quintasa1 is now known as Quintasan [10:01] apachelogger: Could you find some time to help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skim/+bug/290304? [10:01] Launchpad bug 290304 in skim "Skim has no KMenu icon" [Low,Triaged] [10:02] Quintasan: well, you have to change the install path of the icon [10:02] apachelogger: yeah, but I can't find it -_-' [10:03] that can either be archived by fiddeling with the .install file (if there is any) or by moving the file after install in debian/rules [10:03] or by patching the Makefiles to use the right path [10:04] oh, nice enough, the package got a skim.install, so I would go with that approach [10:05] and the right place would be cd /usr/share/icons/default.kde4 ? [10:05] Quintasan: see the dh_install manpage for the syntax you have to use in order to install it to usr/share/hicolor rather than .../crystalsvg [10:05] eh [10:05] ah, ok, thanks [10:05] /usr/share/icons/hicolor [10:05] Quintasan: only hicolor gets inherit by all desktop's no matter what icon set the user defined [10:36] \o/ [10:36] kmail just wiped out my inbox [10:36] apachelogger: I hope you have backups. [10:36] now must be a perfect time to abandon it and go use software that actually supports imap [10:37] jpds: I wouldn't be using kmail if I didn't do backups on both ends ;-) [10:53] tried to compile kdenetwork with neonmake, got a linker error: libQtGui.so.4: undefined reference to `QCoreApplicationPrivate::checkReceiverThread(QObject*) [11:07] hmm k, lookslike this was a icecc issue [11:15] wasn't a icecc issue: according to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-711151.html qt-core should have been built with debug symbols. i guess i'm missing a package? [11:25] apachelogger: I changed the path in skim.install, however I'm having problems with pbuilder. First it stopped at "rm /tmp/buildd/skim-1.4.5/debian/tmp/usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop" saying the file doesn't exists, so i commented the line. Then it failed at "dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --fail-missing". Here is the build log: http://wklej.org/id/43680/ [11:26] Quintasan: actually the build fails [11:26] scons: *** [utils/libscim-kdeutils.la] TypeError : cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects [11:26] make: [install-stamp] Error 2 (ignored) [11:27] Quintasan: what arch are you on? [11:27] amd64 [11:27] maybe the cause [11:28] IMHO the package should just be removed from the archives anyway ;-) [11:30] which package owns /opt/project-neon/lib/libQtGui.so ? [11:34] dpkg -S [11:34] thx just found it. but qt seems to be built with dbg anyways [11:34] off topic anyway [11:35] !ot [11:35] #kubuntu-devel is the development channel for Kubuntu, please use #kubuntu for support questions and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks [12:53] apachelogger: is there a channel for neon? [13:01] knusperfrosch: #amarok.neon [13:03] jussi01: thx [13:04] :) [13:08] wifi is so incredibly broken it's not even funny [13:26] apachelogger: broken wifi is never fun... [13:26] apachelogger: but I guess you mean in network manager [13:27] danimo: mostly, then again when network manager is broken you gotta spend half an hour fixing up the wpasupplicant [13:28] all good now \o/ [13:30] apachelogger: I have that problem since about 3 or 4 kubuntu releases [13:31] apachelogger: is that a KDE problem? a general ubuntu problem? or NM in general? [13:31] apachelogger: all other ubuntu users seem to be perfectly happy with it [13:31] (gnome users, that is) [13:31] danimo: KDE mostly AFAIK [13:31] will all be good once the NM plasmoid is finished [13:31] at least I hope so [13:32] apachelogger: *sight*, can't we just use nm-applet then and integrate it withh kwallet? [13:32] apachelogger: last thing I heard it was terribly broken [13:32] -t [13:32] danimo: I don't think that would fit on the CD, nm-applet pulls in loads of GNOME stuff [13:33] if the knetworkconf thing wouldn't be so broken, I would have considered that an option ... but well... [13:34] apachelogger: well, we have to face the fact that those who work on nm use nm-applet as the frontend, which is why it effectively works best [13:37] danimo: sent the nm developers a fresh CD with KDE 4.2. When they try they some may help with knetworkmanager in the future :) [13:38] nm-applet didn't work for me when I tried it in KDE, this gnome keyring crap stored the WPA password as a hash, and then decided to spit it out again as a hash when asked for it [13:38] (that wasn't on *buntu though) [13:38] ah yes, and it pulled in > 50 gnome packages. [13:39] including recommended packages? [13:40] seele: that was all required deps (on Gentoo though, we probably pack Gnome a bit more fine-grained than *buntu) [13:40] but it seemed a tad too much for a simple systray applet [13:41] all for figuring out that it wouldn't work, because the password hash obviously does not help with associating. [13:49] kubotu: ping [13:49] pong [13:50] Mhm, Tonio uploaded p-nm yesterday. My tries ... === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [15:26] hello all, I just updated my system to kbuntu 8.10, and i have problem with my keyboard. I set my keyboard rate with "xset r rate 200 70". All keys are working with exception of downarrow and leftarrow - wait delay is much bigger than 200 ms. What's wrong ? on kubuntu 8.04 it worked. [15:35] !kubuntu-devel [15:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-devel [15:35] !help [15:35] Hi! I'm #kubuntu-devel's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [15:36] CruX|: #kubuntu for help [15:36] this is a development channel [15:36] what are you developping scripts ? [15:36] Kubuntu [15:37] !support [15:37] The official Kubuntu support channel is #kubuntu. Please be aware that this channel is for development only. [15:37] packaging, software, defaults, etc. [15:37] if yes i have another problem when my pc wakes up i must execute /etc/init.d/networking restart to bring eth0 up [15:37] is it my problem only ? [15:38] CruX|: #kubuntu for support please [15:47] Riddell: please assign bug 319245 some status and importance [15:47] Launchpad bug 319245 in kdebase "konqueror resume dialogue unclear" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319245 [15:48] as a matter of speaking: "the bug gets in the way of bug triage :P" [15:51] * ScottK notes plasmoid-windowslist sitting on REVU looking for a 2nd advocate. [15:51] apachelogger: ^^ [15:56] ScottK: can you please upload, I am not at home right now [15:58] Sure. [16:01] ScottK: ok, I'm archving [16:02] Just test building, one more time ... [16:04] So we've got consolekit, packagekit, xkit, etc. [16:04] Is the meta system to manage all this kitkit? [16:05] ScottK: no, kit2000 [16:05] * Tm_T hides from Hasselhoff [16:06] oi vei [16:13] _neversfelde and apachelogger: Uploaded. [16:13] is there going to be a Kubuntu 8.04.2? [16:13] _neversfelde: Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [16:13] claydoh: Don't think so. It's not LTS. [16:14] oh oh [16:14] claydoh! [16:14] questions are arising, especially as there was a kubuntu 8.04.1 [16:14] there was a kubuntu 8.04.1? Oo [16:14] ScottK: I assumed as much there [16:14] claydoh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu could you please drop the pre-intrepid stuff to subpages? [16:15] claydoh: the old information seems rather pointless for most users [16:15] apachelogger: [16:15] sure [16:15] k, thx :) [16:15] ~order cookie for claydoh [16:15] * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to claydoh. [16:15] me is working on a quassel-for-dummies as well today [16:16] \o/ [16:16] you don't wan't to keep some stuff for hardy there ? [16:17] apachelogger: He has a point. [16:17] apachelogger: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04.1/release/ [16:17] nah, all to subpages [16:17] with visible links to them [16:18] kk [16:18] hm [16:18] did we do 8.04.1 DVD-only? [16:18] No [16:18] * apachelogger only sees dvd :P [16:19] anyway, why did we get 8.04.1 but not .2? [16:19] Dunno. [16:19] Maybe no one asked. [16:19] * ScottK looks at Riddell for wisdom. [16:19] we do have ask for that? Oo [16:19] oh my [16:19] most seem to be gnome fixes, but there are a few underlying things there as well, from looking at the changes [16:21] * claydoh prepares for the firestorms in the fora/ml's ;) [16:22] We've also gone to KDE 3.5.10. [16:22] That'd be a big deal. [16:22] * claydoh forgot that [16:22] good point [16:26] if you download the iso for 8.04 from kubuntu.org, you get the 8.04.1 cd image, wonder why the cdimage site only has the dvd [16:35] good morning kubuntu! [16:40] good morning nixternal [16:44] ScottK, apachelogger: thank you [16:54] what's the package name for qt assistant? [16:54] all i can find is libqt4-assistant [17:19] Ramblurr: qt4-assistant I suppose [17:20] does anybody know an intersting GUI for editing linux code [17:20] :No candidate version found for qt4-assistant [17:21] Ramblurr: qt4-dev-tools: /usr/bin/assistant-qt4 [17:21] !neon [17:21] The Neon Project provides daily Amarok and KDE 4 trunk builds as packages for Kubuntu | See http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/User:Apachelogger/Project_Neon and http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/User:Apachelogger/Project_Neon/KDE/Info for more | Support in #amarok.neon [17:21] MalikLamin: please define "linux code" [17:22] sorry, linux kernel [17:22] vim ;-) [17:22] vim??????? [17:22] !vim [17:22] Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code [17:22] are you crazy [17:22] ? [17:22] MalikLamin: what is wrong with vim? [17:23] i'd like a interactive IDE, i cant get flexibility with vim [17:24] Oo [17:26] I will try kdevelop [17:26] apachelogger: thanks [17:29] ~np [17:29] apachelogger is listening to "live in moscow" by Faithless [17:39] anyone else having issues with jaunty, today latest updates, with intel video? [17:44] hi [17:44] there are plasma dbg packages? [17:45] oh yes [17:45] kdelibs and kdebase -dbg [17:45] * tsdgeos goes home :D [17:45] tsdgeos: You can install debug packages from ddebs.ubuntu.com [17:46] kdebase-workspace-dbg or add "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main" and install kdebase-workspace-bin-dbgsym [17:46] Riddell: what's the difference? [17:48] Riddell: Any idea about 8.04.2 CD images for Kubuntu? [17:54] hi guys its me again [17:54] :D [17:55] i updated today from proposed and now amarok tells me an error at startup [17:55] x-session-manager[3989]: WARNING: Detected that screensaver has left the bus [17:55] hahahahahah, my screensaver didn't like the bus, so it left :p [17:55] oh it likes walking more ? [17:55] that or it didn't pay its fare [17:55] I guess so [17:56] bad [17:56] :D [18:03] tdomhan: I don't suppose there is any difference, ddebs holds a more complete set of debug packages (due to autogeneration) though ... which doesn't really matter for KDE because all our stuff got -dbg packages anyway [18:03] apachelogger: ok ;-) [18:04] hmm forget it now i dont get the error on startup [18:04] oO [18:05] * ghostcube thinks kde4 is playing tricks on him [18:06] rgreening, vorian: you have to be more careful with version bumps ... you made oxygen-icons-kde replace dolphin << 4.2.0 for no apparent reason while not bumping some real dependencies [18:08] apachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu/Edgy [18:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu/Hardy [18:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu [18:09] apachelogger: should I perhaps expand on the 'adding third party repositories' area? [18:10] claydoh: I don't think third party stuff should be there. [18:10] ScottK: _we_ are third party when deploying stuff via PPA [18:11] claydoh: btw, I think feisty can be removed completely [18:11] if I am not mistaken feisty is out of support anyway [18:11] It is. [18:11] one area I often see newbie problems is incorrect urls in the repo line [18:11] I don't think 3rd party of any kind should go there. [18:12] ScottK: it's community docs after all [18:13] bug 254468 [18:13] damn [18:13] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/254468/+text) [18:13] I was just thinking of a shot of that section, more or less, and aren't the commercial repos listed there anyway? [18:13] stdin_: is ubottu brokenish recently? [18:13] stdin_: or is it launchpad? [18:13] It's more LP is slow [18:14] apachelogger: Riddell: anyone else What else needs to be on here? [18:14] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts [18:14] The Edgy and before page should get called Dapper. [18:15] is anyone here doing backporting ? [18:15] Of? [18:15] and can may tell me if this bug will pass backporting commit [18:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/254468 [18:15] Arby: maybe a coulmn to mark if it has been fixed [18:15] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/254468/+text) [18:15] Arby: or how it has been fixed [18:15] ubottu, youre timeout sux :P [18:15] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:16] i know [18:16] :D [18:16] apachelogger: yeah, fair point [18:16] apachelogger: there are no digikam packages one can have installed togheter with the 4.2rc1 packages in intrepid? [18:16] ghostcube: It's Launchpad not the bot that's the problem [18:16] ScottK, yeah but i can only blame the bot for now lol [18:16] tsdgeos: there might be somewhere, Lure would know [18:17] :-7 [18:17] ghostcube: SRU, not backport for that. [18:17] i'm already missing my old installtion :D [18:17] ScottK, means [18:18] tsdgeos: https://edge.launchpad.net/~digikam-experimental/+archive/ppa maybe [18:18] I guess we'll create a much more usable package stack in the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa once 4.2.0 is out [18:19] apachelogger: please :D [18:19] let me try that though [18:19] :) [18:19] ScottK: do you know where jonny is? [18:19] He said he'd be offline all weekend [18:19] ghostcube: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [18:20] apachelogger: column added [18:20] ScottK: taking a break? ;-) [18:21] I think more like drug off by his parents somewhere. [18:21] apachelogger: are the instructions correct? [18:21] and what do we want people to do with the debdiff once they're done [18:21] ScottK, that would result in not fixing this bug in inteprid [18:21] we don't especially want dozens of bug reports [18:22] intrepid [18:22] ghostcube: No. It means preparing a patch to go into intrepid-proposed and test it. [18:22] oO [18:22] Arby: I would go with one bug report affecting all packages [18:23] Arby: some packages don't exist anymore anyway [18:23] like libkonq4 [18:23] this would be the best proposed release in the last months [18:23] :D [18:23] ok, I haven't started checking the lists yet [18:23] Arby: can be done by those who are helping anyway [18:24] more time efficient IMHO [18:24] ok I'll create the bug then send a mail to the list [18:24] this bug is really annoing [18:24] Arby: in control there might be more to edit than just the build-dep [18:24] I agree [18:25] Arby: best would be to search for arts [18:25] apachelogger: I just quoted what you said the other day :P [18:25] ok [18:25] something I'm still confused by. [18:25] Arby: also searching the .install files before testbuilding could help squash obvious stuff [18:26] aren't we going to break some functionality in certain apps? [18:26] ScottK, i know you dont support compiz but could this solve the redraw prob with the nvidia loose-binding option , if you know about this [18:26] I don't especially feel like being yelled at because we broke $app [18:26] Arby: that is really up to the developer who edits $app :P [18:27] Arby: outside of KDE land everything that depends on arts ought to be compiled without it without problem [18:27] ghostcube: The problem happens on my Intel box too. [18:27] Arby: so there we would just remove unusable functionallity [18:27] I'm thinking about things like mythtv and friends [18:27] oh i thought only nvidia and ati related [18:27] Arby: and inside KDE land there might be apps that actually need arts tow rok [18:27] hey ho [18:27] ghostcube: AFAIK it's everything. [18:27] Arby: mythtv probably just supports arts as a sound daemon [18:28] apachelogger: what are the 4.1.4 SRU bugs doing? [18:28] Arby: like audacious [18:28] Xand3r: ask ScottK [18:28] apachelogger: i am afraid [18:28] apachelogger: is it worth cross posting to ubuntu-devel in case anybody has any burning objections? [18:29] Xand3r: They are waiting for people to add comments saying how wonderful 4.1.4 is. [18:29] or is that just likely to upset people for cross posting [18:29] Arby: ubuntu-devel is appropriate if there are non-KDE packages. [18:29] Arby: what ScottK said ;-) [18:30] hmmm so far 4.1.4 works here [18:30] the one bug from amarok didnt happen again [18:30] ScottK: is it equal from whom the comment comes? [18:31] well as I said, things like mplayer and mythtv are non-KDE so I guess I cross post [18:31] i never get mythtv to work :D [18:31] good luck [18:32] ghostcube: Please say so in the relevant bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&fi [18:32] .used=&field.tag=kde4.1.4&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search [18:32] Xand3r: Yes. [18:33] Pretty much anyway. [18:33] kk i will ask some from the germanspeaking community [18:33] ScottK: ^ [18:33] Actually verification reports from people not invlolved in the packaging are better. [18:33] perfekt [18:34] Xand3r: perfect ... or ... perfeKt :P [18:34] * apachelogger compiles 3 packages at the same time [18:35] ScottK, so i need to comment all packages :) [18:35] apachelogger: you know the k is magic [18:35] ghostcube: Yes. [18:36] ui [18:36] :D long run [18:36] Except the bluetooth one. We got plenty on that one already [18:37] * ScottK wishes for a script to "Open all the bugs on listed on this page in new tabs". [18:38] but one thing is still a prob should be mentioned somehow that starting this damn teacooker applet will stop jackd from loading heh cause plasma grabs hw:0 [18:38] lol [18:39] ghostcube: So far no one else can reproduce that problem. [18:39] I think you should mention it though. [18:39] ScottK, hmm nah a|wen had it too yesterday [18:39] Ah. OK. [18:39] Missed that. [18:40] Need to look into it. He's a good person to do it. [18:40]

dtchen: it didn't grab raw here the first time ... but now i can't get it to stop grabbing raw :) [18:41] it highjacks the hw:0 rofl [18:41] If we could get you and dtchen together to investigate it, that'd be great as he understands the sound stuff better than anyone I know. [18:42] He's not around a lot though... [18:42] Very busy [18:42] :) [18:42] no prob but maybe this would explain some question in the forums i found abput why jackd not starting [18:42] and no one had opened anything [18:45] apachelogger: how do we want this arts thing to work for people who already have upload privileges? [18:45] i.e. do we still want a debdiff to review for QA [18:45] or can people upload their own work [18:45]