[00:30] <kwwii> evening
[00:30] <kwwii> does the kde4 kmail now work with imap?
[00:49] <jussi01> kwwii: its been working for a good while now afaik
[00:54] <kwwii> jussi01: erm, not on my system...it crashes again and again
[00:54] <kwwii> and if it doesn't crash it simply doesn't work
[00:54] <kwwii> it works fine with the kde3 version
[00:54] <jussi01> kwwii: weird. you are on the old packages or the 4.2 ones?
[00:54] <kwwii> I have tried both imap and disconnected imap
[00:55] <kwwii> jussi01: I am running intrepid with the old packages I guess
[00:55] <kwwii> I want to update to jaunty on my laptop but it is currently running hardy (with kde3 where it works)
[00:56] <jussi01> kwwii: ahh. Im using 4.2 and it works here
[00:56] <kwwii> if I loose my imap account I will no longer get my kde emails
[00:56] <kwwii> hrm
[00:56] <kwwii> maybe I should update my intrepid install then
[00:56] <kwwii> this just sicks
[00:56] <kwwii> sucks
[00:56] <kwwii> I happen to rely on this stuff for work
[00:56] <kwwii> :(
[00:57] <kwwii> if I click on the namespaces edit icon it simply crashes
[00:58]  * seele waves at kwwii 
[00:58] <jussi01> kwwii: very weird. have you considered the other kde4 client out there?
[00:58] <kwwii> which one is that?
[00:58] <jussi01> hello seele!
[00:59] <kwwii> I use kmail because it has all the features I need
[00:59] <kwwii> hi seele :-)
[00:59] <jussi01> hrm, trying to remember the name
[00:59] <kwwii> I am about ready to (gulp) use thunderbird or something
[00:59] <kwwii> I really need to update this laptop to jaunty
[00:59] <jussi01> !info mailody
[01:00] <kwwii> but the kde4 packages on my hardy install and intrepid simply don't work with imap
[01:00] <jussi01> kwwii: not sure if the kde4 ones are there yet
[01:00] <kwwii> ouch, nope...I don't think I need an extra email app
[01:00] <kwwii> kde4 has just pissed me off to be honest
[01:01]  * jussi01 huggles kwwii
[01:01] <kwwii> it looks sooo nice and is soo much faster but only has half the functions of kde3
[01:01] <jussi01> kwwii: 4.2 rc1 is a big improvemnt imho.
[01:01] <kwwii> I mean, I am old-school kde...but this just makes me want to switch to something that works
[01:01] <kwwii> right, which means extra work and extra risk
[01:02] <kwwii> boah
[01:02] <kwwii> oh well
[01:02] <kwwii> thanks for the info
[01:02] <kwwii> kde seems to be trying to kill itself these days...sad
[01:03]  * jussi01 is sad kwwii has had a bad experience
[01:07] <kwwii> jussi01: you cannot imagine how strongly I feel the same way
[01:07] <kwwii> kmail is simply the best email client which exists
[01:08] <kwwii> I love it
[01:08] <kwwii> and the kde4 version is soo much faster
[01:08] <kwwii> but this is breaking my back
[01:08] <kwwii> I need it
[01:08] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep
[01:08] <kwwii> it can wait another day
[01:08] <kwwii> jussi01: thanks for the help
[01:09] <kwwii> seele: when do you start at canonical? :p
[01:09] <kwwii> I am going to ask that every time I see you in hope that one day it might happen :)
[01:10] <seele> kwwii: hah
[01:10] <seele> kwwii: i dont really feel like moving to london now that we've got a decent president :)
[01:10] <seele> kwwii: and i dont know if the UX team is too happy with me atm.  we've been discussing my divergent view on notifications
[01:11] <kwwii> seele: I almost cried when I heard that Obama won...and the same agin at the inauguration
[01:11] <kwwii> seele: no worries, I think they will get a *lot* of shit once that stuff gets out in the wild
[01:11] <seele> kwwii: yeah.. i think the entire world is excited about it hehe
[01:11] <kwwii> but don't say I said that
[01:11]  * seele hopes he doesn't let us down
[01:12] <kwwii> yeah, me too...he cannot be perfect but so many people expect him to be
[01:12] <seele> well, he would have to try pretty hard to meet bush standards, so i think we'll be ok
[01:12] <kwwii> I guess I don't have to worry about imap support, Obama will fix it
[01:13] <kwwii> it would be hard to do worse :p
[01:13] <jussi01> rofl
[02:19] <usr> Hi! Does anyone know if they had considered to use SMPlayer as default media player for Kubuntu 9.04? It is better than Dragon Player, and Kaffeine isn't yet ported to KDE4.
[02:28] <torkiano> usr: SMPlayer uses phonon?
[02:30] <usr> I don't know, it uses mplayer, and qt4 only
[02:30] <usr> http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/
[02:31] <torkiano> mmmm, then I don't believe that kubuntu developers consider it to replace dragonplayer
[02:38] <usr> O.K., it was only to give the idea, because is a great media player. Thank you. :-)
[02:41] <torkiano> usr: yeah, i'm only a user, not a developer. But dragon is great too ;-). (I'm downloadding smplayer now to try)
[02:43] <usr> yes, yes, I know that you are only a user, but thanks for your answer also
[02:44] <usr> add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/ubuntu intrepid main" to get the latest version
[02:46] <usr> if you have problems with the sound, select "openal" audio output in SMPlayer
[04:12] <ScottK-laptop> ScottK: Ping test
[08:48] <apachelogger> kwwii: actually akonadi ought to solve the imap issue ... in theory at least ;-)
[09:16] <apachelogger> obviously a lot of people in here use quassel :P
[09:30] <jussi01> apachelogger: thats cause quassel rocks? :D
[09:32] <apachelogger> possibly
[10:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Could you find some time to help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skim/+bug/290304?
[10:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, you have to change the install path of the icon
[10:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah, but I can't find it -_-'
[10:03] <apachelogger> that can either be archived by fiddeling with the .install file (if there is any) or by moving the file after install in debian/rules
[10:03] <apachelogger> or by patching the Makefiles to use the right path
[10:04] <apachelogger> oh, nice enough, the package got a skim.install, so I would go with that approach
[10:05] <Quintasan> and the right place would be cd /usr/share/icons/default.kde4 ?
[10:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: see the dh_install manpage for the syntax you have to use in order to install it to usr/share/hicolor rather than .../crystalsvg
[10:05] <apachelogger> eh
[10:05] <Quintasan> ah, ok, thanks
[10:05] <apachelogger> /usr/share/icons/hicolor
[10:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: only hicolor gets inherit by all desktop's no matter what icon set the user defined
[10:36] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:36] <apachelogger> kmail just wiped out my inbox
[10:36] <jpds> apachelogger: I hope you have backups.
[10:36] <apachelogger> now must be a perfect time to abandon it and go use software that actually supports imap
[10:37] <apachelogger> jpds: I wouldn't be using kmail if I didn't do backups on both ends ;-)
[10:53] <knusperfrosch> tried to compile kdenetwork with neonmake, got a linker error: libQtGui.so.4: undefined reference to `QCoreApplicationPrivate::checkReceiverThread(QObject*)
[11:07] <knusperfrosch> hmm k, lookslike this was a icecc issue
[11:15] <knusperfrosch> wasn't a icecc issue: according to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-711151.html qt-core should have been built with debug symbols. i guess i'm missing a package?
[11:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I changed the path in skim.install, however I'm having problems with pbuilder. First it stopped at "rm /tmp/buildd/skim-1.4.5/debian/tmp/usr/share/autostart/skim.desktop" saying the file doesn't exists, so i commented the line. Then it failed at "dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --fail-missing". Here is the build log: http://wklej.org/id/43680/
[11:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually the build fails
[11:26] <apachelogger> scons: *** [utils/libscim-kdeutils.la] TypeError : cannot concatenate 'str' and 'list' objects
[11:26] <apachelogger> make: [install-stamp] Error 2 (ignored)
[11:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what arch are you on?
[11:27] <Quintasan> amd64
[11:27] <apachelogger> maybe the cause
[11:28] <apachelogger> IMHO the package should just be removed from the archives anyway ;-)
[11:30] <knusperfrosch> which package owns /opt/project-neon/lib/libQtGui.so ?
[11:34] <apachelogger> dpkg -S
[11:34] <knusperfrosch> thx just found it. but qt seems to be built with dbg anyways
[11:34] <apachelogger> off topic anyway
[11:35] <apachelogger> !ot
[12:53] <knusperfrosch> apachelogger: is there a channel for neon?
[13:01] <jussi01> knusperfrosch: #amarok.neon
[13:03] <knusperfrosch> jussi01: thx
[13:04] <jussi01> :)
[13:08] <apachelogger> wifi is so incredibly broken it's not even funny
[13:26] <danimo> apachelogger: broken wifi is never fun...
[13:26] <danimo> apachelogger: but I guess you mean in network manager
[13:27] <apachelogger> danimo: mostly, then again when network manager is broken you gotta spend half an hour fixing up the wpasupplicant
[13:28] <apachelogger> all good now \o/
[13:30] <danimo> apachelogger: I have that problem since about 3 or 4 kubuntu releases
[13:31] <danimo> apachelogger: is that a KDE problem? a general ubuntu problem? or NM in general?
[13:31] <danimo> apachelogger: all other ubuntu users seem to be perfectly happy with it
[13:31] <danimo> (gnome users, that is)
[13:31] <apachelogger> danimo: KDE mostly AFAIK
[13:31] <apachelogger> will all be good once the NM plasmoid is finished
[13:31] <apachelogger> at least I hope so
[13:32] <danimo> apachelogger: *sight*, can't we just use nm-applet then and integrate it withh kwallet?
[13:32] <danimo> apachelogger: last thing I heard it was terribly broken
[13:32] <danimo> -t
[13:32] <apachelogger> danimo: I don't think that would fit on the CD, nm-applet pulls in loads of GNOME stuff
[13:33] <apachelogger> if the knetworkconf thing wouldn't be so broken, I would have considered that an option ... but well...
[13:34] <danimo> apachelogger: well, we have to face the fact that those who work on nm use nm-applet as the frontend, which is why it effectively works best
[13:37] <alleeHol> danimo: sent the nm developers a fresh CD with KDE 4.2.   When they try they some may help with knetworkmanager in the future :)
[13:38] <Sput> nm-applet didn't work for me when I tried it in KDE, this gnome keyring crap stored the WPA password as a hash, and then decided to spit it out again as a hash when asked for it
[13:38] <Sput> (that wasn't on *buntu though)
[13:38] <Sput> ah yes, and it pulled in > 50 gnome packages.
[13:39] <seele> including recommended packages?
[13:40] <Sput> seele: that was all required deps (on Gentoo though, we probably pack Gnome a bit more fine-grained than *buntu)
[13:40] <Sput> but it seemed a tad too much for a simple systray applet
[13:41] <Sput> all for figuring out that it wouldn't work, because the password hash obviously does not help with associating.
[13:49] <Nightrose> kubotu: ping
[13:49] <kubotu> pong
[13:50] <alleeHol> Mhm, Tonio uploaded p-nm yesterday.  My tries ...
[15:26] <CruX|> hello all, I just updated my system to kbuntu 8.10, and i have problem with my keyboard. I set my keyboard rate with "xset r rate 200 70". All keys are working with exception of downarrow and leftarrow - wait delay is much bigger than 200 ms. What's wrong ? on kubuntu 8.04 it worked.
[15:35] <seele> !kubuntu-devel
[15:35] <seele> !help
[15:36] <seele> CruX|: #kubuntu for help
[15:36] <seele> this is a development channel
[15:36] <CruX|> what are you developping scripts ?
[15:36] <ScottK> Kubuntu
[15:37] <ScottK> !support
[15:37] <seele> packaging, software, defaults, etc.
[15:37] <CruX|> if yes i have another problem when my pc wakes up i must execute /etc/init.d/networking restart to bring eth0 up
[15:37] <CruX|> is it my problem only ?
[15:38] <seele> CruX|: #kubuntu for support please
[15:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: please assign bug 319245 some status and importance
[15:48] <apachelogger> as a matter of speaking: "the bug gets in the way of bug triage :P"
[15:51]  * ScottK notes plasmoid-windowslist sitting on REVU looking for a 2nd advocate.
[15:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^
[15:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: can you please upload, I am not at home right now
[15:58] <ScottK> Sure.
[16:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok, I'm archving
[16:02] <ScottK> Just test building, one more time ...
[16:04] <ScottK> So we've got consolekit, packagekit, xkit, etc.
[16:04] <ScottK> Is the meta system to manage all this kitkit?
[16:05] <Tm_T> ScottK: no, kit2000
[16:05]  * Tm_T hides from Hasselhoff
[16:06] <apachelogger> oi vei
[16:13] <ScottK> _neversfelde and apachelogger:  Uploaded.
[16:13] <claydoh> is there going to be a Kubuntu 8.04.2?
[16:13] <ScottK> _neversfelde: Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[16:13] <ScottK> claydoh: Don't think so.  It's not LTS.
[16:14] <apachelogger> oh oh
[16:14] <apachelogger> claydoh!
[16:14] <claydoh> questions are arising, especially as there was a kubuntu 8.04.1
[16:14] <apachelogger> there was a kubuntu 8.04.1? Oo
[16:14] <claydoh> ScottK: I assumed as much there
[16:14] <apachelogger> claydoh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu could you please drop the pre-intrepid stuff to subpages?
[16:15] <apachelogger> claydoh: the old information seems rather pointless for most users
[16:15] <claydoh> apachelogger:
[16:15] <claydoh> sure
[16:15] <apachelogger> k, thx :)
[16:15] <apachelogger> ~order cookie for claydoh
[16:15]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to claydoh.
[16:15] <claydoh> me is working on a quassel-for-dummies as well today
[16:16] <ScottK> \o/
[16:16] <claydoh> you don't wan't to keep some stuff for hardy there ?
[16:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: He has a point.
[16:17] <claydoh> apachelogger: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04.1/release/
[16:17] <apachelogger> nah, all to subpages
[16:17] <apachelogger> with visible links to them
[16:18] <claydoh> kk
[16:18] <apachelogger> hm
[16:18] <apachelogger> did we do 8.04.1 DVD-only?
[16:18] <ScottK> No
[16:18]  * apachelogger only sees dvd :P
[16:19] <apachelogger> anyway, why did we get 8.04.1 but not .2?
[16:19] <ScottK> Dunno.
[16:19] <ScottK> Maybe no one asked.
[16:19]  * ScottK looks at Riddell for wisdom.
[16:19] <apachelogger> we do have ask for that? Oo
[16:19] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:19] <claydoh> most seem to be gnome fixes, but there are a few underlying things there as well, from looking at the changes
[16:21]  * claydoh prepares for the firestorms in the fora/ml's ;)
[16:22] <ScottK> We've also gone to KDE 3.5.10.
[16:22] <ScottK> That'd be a big deal.
[16:22]  * claydoh forgot that
[16:22] <claydoh> good point
[16:26] <claydoh> if you download the iso for 8.04 from kubuntu.org,  you get the 8.04.1 cd image, wonder why the cdimage site only has the dvd
[16:35] <nixternal> good morning kubuntu!
[16:40] <claydoh> good morning nixternal
[16:44] <neversfelde> ScottK, apachelogger: thank you
[16:54] <Ramblurr> what's the package name for qt assistant?
[16:54] <Ramblurr>  all i can find is libqt4-assistant
[17:19] <apachelogger> Ramblurr: qt4-assistant I suppose
[17:20] <MalikLamin> does anybody know an intersting GUI for editing linux code
[17:20] <Ramblurr> :No candidate version found for qt4-assistant
[17:21] <apachelogger> Ramblurr: qt4-dev-tools: /usr/bin/assistant-qt4
[17:21] <jussi01> !neon
[17:21] <apachelogger> MalikLamin: please define "linux code"
[17:22] <MalikLamin> sorry, linux kernel
[17:22] <apachelogger> vim ;-)
[17:22] <MalikLamin> vim???????
[17:22] <apachelogger> !vim
[17:22] <MalikLamin> are you crazy
[17:22] <MalikLamin> ?
[17:22] <apachelogger> MalikLamin: what is wrong with vim?
[17:23] <MalikLamin> i'd like a interactive IDE, i cant get flexibility with vim
[17:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:26] <MalikLamin> I will try kdevelop
[17:26] <Ramblurr> apachelogger: thanks
[17:29] <apachelogger> ~np
[17:29] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "live in moscow" by Faithless
[17:39] <nixternal> anyone else having issues with jaunty, today latest updates, with intel video?
[17:44] <tsdgeos> hi
[17:44] <tsdgeos> there are plasma dbg packages?
[17:45] <tsdgeos> oh yes
[17:45] <tsdgeos> kdelibs and kdebase -dbg
[17:45]  * tsdgeos goes home :D
[17:45] <jpds> tsdgeos: You can install debug packages from ddebs.ubuntu.com
[17:46] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace-dbg or add "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty main"  and install kdebase-workspace-bin-dbgsym
[17:46] <tsdgeos> Riddell: what's the difference?
[17:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Any idea about 8.04.2 CD images for Kubuntu?
[17:54] <ghostcube> hi guys its me again
[17:54] <ghostcube> :D
[17:55] <ghostcube> i updated today from proposed and now amarok tells me an error at startup
[17:55] <nixternal> x-session-manager[3989]: WARNING: Detected that screensaver has left the bus
[17:55] <nixternal> hahahahahah, my screensaver didn't like the bus, so it left :p
[17:55] <ghostcube> oh it likes walking more ?
[17:55] <nixternal> that or it didn't pay its fare
[17:55] <nixternal> I guess so
[17:56] <ghostcube> bad
[17:56] <ghostcube> :D
[18:03] <apachelogger> tdomhan: I don't suppose there is any difference, ddebs holds a more complete set of debug packages (due to autogeneration) though ... which doesn't really matter for KDE because all our stuff got -dbg packages anyway
[18:03] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: ok ;-)
[18:04] <ghostcube> hmm forget it now i dont get the error on startup
[18:04] <ghostcube> oO
[18:05]  * ghostcube thinks kde4 is playing tricks on him
[18:06] <apachelogger> rgreening, vorian: you have to be more careful with version bumps ... you made oxygen-icons-kde replace dolphin << 4.2.0 for no apparent reason while not bumping some real dependencies
[18:08] <claydoh> apachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu/Edgy
[18:08] <claydoh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu/Hardy
[18:08] <claydoh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[18:09] <claydoh> apachelogger: should I perhaps expand on the 'adding third party repositories' area?
[18:10] <ScottK> claydoh: I don't think third party stuff should be there.
[18:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: _we_ are third party when deploying stuff via PPA
[18:11] <apachelogger> claydoh: btw, I think feisty can be removed completely
[18:11] <apachelogger> if I am not mistaken feisty is out of support anyway
[18:11] <ScottK> It is.
[18:11] <claydoh> one area I often see newbie problems is incorrect urls in the repo line
[18:11] <ScottK> I don't think 3rd party of any kind should go there.
[18:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's community docs after all
[18:13] <ghostcube> bug 254468
[18:13] <ghostcube> damn
[18:13] <claydoh> I was just thinking of a shot of that section, more or less, and aren't the commercial repos listed there anyway?
[18:13] <apachelogger> stdin_: is ubottu brokenish recently?
[18:13] <apachelogger> stdin_: or is it launchpad?
[18:13] <ScottK> It's more LP is slow
[18:14] <Arby> apachelogger: Riddell: anyone else What else needs to be on here?
[18:14] <Arby> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts
[18:14] <ScottK> The Edgy and before page should get called Dapper.
[18:15] <ghostcube> is anyone here doing backporting ?
[18:15] <ScottK> Of?
[18:15] <ghostcube> and can may tell me if this bug will pass backporting commit
[18:15] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/254468
[18:15] <apachelogger> Arby: maybe a coulmn to mark if it has been fixed
[18:15] <apachelogger> Arby: or how it has been fixed
[18:15] <ghostcube> ubottu, youre timeout sux :P
[18:16] <ghostcube> i know
[18:16] <ghostcube> :D
[18:16] <Arby> apachelogger: yeah, fair point
[18:16] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: there are no digikam packages one can have installed togheter with the 4.2rc1 packages in intrepid?
[18:16] <ScottK> ghostcube: It's Launchpad not the bot that's the problem
[18:16] <ghostcube> ScottK, yeah but i can only blame the bot for now lol
[18:16] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: there might be somewhere, Lure would know
[18:17] <tsdgeos> :-7
[18:17] <ScottK> ghostcube: SRU, not backport for that.
[18:17] <tsdgeos> i'm already missing my old installtion :D
[18:17] <ghostcube> ScottK, means
[18:18] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: https://edge.launchpad.net/~digikam-experimental/+archive/ppa maybe
[18:18] <apachelogger> I guess we'll create a much more usable package stack in the kubuntu-members-kde4 ppa once 4.2.0 is out
[18:19] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: please :D
[18:19] <tsdgeos> let me try that though
[18:19] <apachelogger> :)
[18:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you know where jonny is?
[18:19] <ScottK> He said he'd be offline all weekend
[18:19] <ScottK> ghostcube: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:20] <Arby> apachelogger: column added
[18:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: taking a break? ;-)
[18:21] <ScottK> I think more like drug off by his parents somewhere.
[18:21] <Arby> apachelogger: are the instructions correct?
[18:21] <Arby> and what do we want people to do with the debdiff once they're done
[18:21] <ghostcube> ScottK, that would result in not fixing this bug in inteprid
[18:21] <Arby> we don't especially want dozens of bug reports
[18:22] <ghostcube> intrepid
[18:22] <ScottK> ghostcube: No.  It means preparing a patch to go into intrepid-proposed and test it.
[18:22] <ghostcube> oO
[18:22] <apachelogger> Arby: I would go with one bug report affecting all packages
[18:23] <apachelogger> Arby: some packages don't exist anymore anyway
[18:23] <apachelogger> like libkonq4
[18:23] <ghostcube> this would be the best proposed release in the last months
[18:23] <ghostcube> :D
[18:23] <Arby> ok, I haven't started checking the lists yet
[18:23] <apachelogger> Arby: can be done by those who are helping anyway
[18:24] <apachelogger> more time efficient IMHO
[18:24] <Arby> ok I'll create the bug then send a mail to the list
[18:24] <ghostcube> this bug is really annoing
[18:24] <apachelogger> Arby: in control there might be more to edit than just the build-dep
[18:24] <ScottK> I agree
[18:25] <apachelogger> Arby: best would be to search for arts
[18:25] <Arby> apachelogger: I just quoted what you said the other day :P
[18:25] <Arby> ok
[18:25] <Arby> something I'm still confused by.
[18:25] <apachelogger> Arby: also searching the .install files before testbuilding could help squash obvious stuff
[18:26] <Arby> aren't we going to break some functionality in certain apps?
[18:26] <ghostcube> ScottK, i know you dont support compiz but could this solve the redraw prob with the nvidia loose-binding option , if you know about this
[18:26] <Arby> I don't especially feel like being yelled at because we broke $app
[18:26] <apachelogger> Arby: that is really up to the developer who edits $app :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> Arby: outside of KDE land everything that depends on arts ought to be compiled without it without problem
[18:27] <ScottK> ghostcube: The problem happens on my Intel box too.
[18:27] <apachelogger> Arby: so there we would just remove unusable functionallity
[18:27] <Arby> I'm thinking about things like mythtv and friends
[18:27] <ghostcube> oh i thought only nvidia and ati related
[18:27] <apachelogger> Arby: and inside KDE land there might be apps that actually need arts tow rok
[18:27] <Xand3r> hey ho
[18:27] <ScottK> ghostcube: AFAIK it's everything.
[18:27] <apachelogger> Arby: mythtv probably just supports arts as a sound daemon
[18:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what are the 4.1.4 SRU bugs doing?
[18:28] <apachelogger> Arby: like audacious
[18:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ask ScottK
[18:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i am afraid
[18:28] <Arby> apachelogger: is it worth cross posting to ubuntu-devel in case anybody has any burning objections?
[18:29] <ScottK> Xand3r: They are waiting for people to add comments saying how wonderful 4.1.4 is.
[18:29] <Arby> or is that just likely to upset people for cross posting
[18:29] <ScottK> Arby: ubuntu-devel is appropriate if there are non-KDE packages.
[18:29] <apachelogger> Arby: what ScottK said ;-)
[18:30] <ghostcube> hmmm so far 4.1.4 works here
[18:30] <ghostcube> the one bug from amarok didnt happen again
[18:30] <Xand3r> ScottK: is it equal from whom the comment comes?
[18:31] <Arby> well as I said, things like mplayer and mythtv are non-KDE so I guess I cross post
[18:31] <ghostcube> i never get mythtv to work :D
[18:31] <ghostcube> good luck
[18:32] <ScottK> ghostcube: Please say so in the relevant bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&fi
[18:32] <ScottK> .used=&field.tag=kde4.1.4&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search
[18:32] <ScottK> Xand3r: Yes.
[18:33] <ScottK> Pretty much anyway.
[18:33] <Xand3r> kk i will ask some from the germanspeaking community
[18:33] <Xand3r> ScottK: ^
[18:33] <ScottK> Actually verification reports from people not invlolved in the packaging are better.
[18:33] <Xand3r> perfekt
[18:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: perfect ... or  ... perfeKt :P
[18:34]  * apachelogger compiles 3 packages at the same time
[18:35] <ghostcube> ScottK, so i need to comment all packages :)
[18:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: you know the k is magic
[18:35] <ScottK> ghostcube: Yes.
[18:36] <ghostcube> ui
[18:36] <ghostcube> :D long run
[18:36] <ScottK> Except the bluetooth one.  We got plenty on that one already
[18:37]  * ScottK wishes for a script to "Open all the bugs on listed on this page in new tabs".
[18:38] <ghostcube> but one thing is still a prob should be mentioned somehow that starting this damn teacooker applet will stop jackd from loading heh cause plasma grabs hw:0
[18:38] <ghostcube> lol
[18:39] <ScottK> ghostcube: So far no one else can reproduce that problem.
[18:39] <ScottK> I think you should mention it though.
[18:39] <ghostcube> ScottK, hmm nah a|wen had it too yesterday
[18:39] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[18:39] <ScottK> Missed that.
[18:40] <ScottK> Need to look into it.  He's a good person to do it.
 dtchen: it didn't grab raw here the first time ... but now i can't get it to stop grabbing raw :)
[18:41] <ghostcube> it highjacks the hw:0 rofl
[18:41] <ScottK> If we could get you and dtchen together to investigate it, that'd be great as he understands the sound stuff better than anyone I know.
[18:42] <ScottK> He's not around a lot though...
[18:42] <ScottK> Very busy
[18:42] <ghostcube> :)
[18:42] <ghostcube> no prob but maybe this would explain some question in the forums i found abput why jackd not starting
[18:42] <ghostcube> and no one had opened anything
[18:45] <Arby> apachelogger: how do we want this arts thing to work for people who already have upload privileges?
[18:45] <Arby> i.e. do we still want a debdiff to review for QA
[18:45] <Arby> or can people upload their own work
[18:45] <apachelogger> Arby: what else would we want?
[18:46] <Arby> people who can upload do, people who can't attach a debdiff
[18:47] <Arby> or everyone attaches a debdiff so that it can be reviewed
[18:47] <apachelogger> aye
[18:47] <apachelogger> Arby: former
[18:47] <Arby> thanks
[18:47] <apachelogger> there is no point in having developers attach a debdiff ;-)
[18:49] <Arby> we still have reviews for ninja packaging
[18:49] <Arby> even for developers :)
[18:50] <apachelogger> nope
[18:50] <Arby> anyway bug 320915
[18:50] <apachelogger> we have reviews for those who don't usually have upload rights
[18:51] <Arby> e-mail to follow later
[18:55] <apachelogger> Arby: maybe also mention ... if the package _can_ be fixed to not depend on arts, it should be marked as affected and closed in the changelog entry
[18:56] <Arby> apachelogger: do you mean put LP#: 320915 (or whatever it is) in the changelog entry?
[18:57] <Arby> btw, what do we do if a package can't be fixed to not depend on arts? keep arts?
[18:57] <apachelogger> Arby: 1) yes 2) either that or we remove the package ... depends on the package really :)
[18:58] <apachelogger> or push upstream to change $apps behaviour so we can drop arts
[18:59] <Arby> ok, got to go for now, biab
[19:16] <blizzz> won't there be the 8.04.2 release for kubuntu?
[19:18] <apachelogger> we don't know
[19:18] <apachelogger> doesn't seem so though
[19:19] <blizzz> what does it depends on?
[19:22] <apachelogger> blizzz: if release team is actually in mood to get us one
[19:23] <blizzz> ok. ty apachelogger
[20:07] <Arby> apachelogger: anything I need to add to this before I send it.
[20:07] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/109092/
[20:14] <apachelogger> Arby: is the bug mentioned on the wiki page?
[20:15] <apachelogger> if not, you should add it ... mail is good
[20:15] <Arby> by number yes, I'll add a link in a sec
[20:17] <Arby> mail sent
[20:47] <ghostcube> who is making the kde classic menu applet :)
[20:49] <ghostcube> i have a feature request if its not already done
[20:50] <Arby> ghostcube: we don't really do feature addition, that happens upstream in KDE
[20:51] <Arby> if it's a plasma applet then someone in #plasma will likely know
[20:59] <ghostcube> Arby, hmm ok
[21:51] <Arby> apachelogger: ping?
[21:51] <Arby> looking at arts stuff libsdl1.2debian-arts  looks pretty useless without arts
[21:51] <Arby> should it be marked for removal from the archive?
[21:52] <Arby> likewise liballegro4.2-plugin-arts
[22:32] <claydoh> well I have not fin ished the quassel how-to completely :(
[22:33] <claydoh> I eas sidetracked by an online shopping session
[22:33]  * claydoh loves getting a bonus check by surprisse
[22:35]  * claydoh gets to have a running desktop soon w00t!
[22:38] <ScottK-palm> How goes it?
[22:42] <jussi01> heya ScottK-palm :) it goes ok :)
[23:53]  * Sput just came back from a really nice evening with markey, Mamarok, Claudia Rauch et. al.