[00:12] <Sophty> I have a bit of question about theory. Why is OpenOffice hard to install?
[00:13] <DarkTan`> i've never had a problem with it
[00:14] <DarkTan`> sudo apt-get install openoffice           if i'm not mistaken
[00:14] <Sophty> Well, it uses tar.gz, which is not point and click, so it's not quite the MS-Office replacement.
[00:14] <Sophty> Adept keeps giving me the 2.4 version
[00:15] <Sophty> So did Package Manager.
[00:17] <Sophty> sudo apt-get install openoffice doesn't work. Gives me "Couldn't find package openoffice"
[00:19] <stdin_> Sophty: use the package openoffice.org
[00:19] <stdin_> ie: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[00:20] <stdin_> but it should be installed by default in K/Ubuntu
[00:20] <Sophty> 2.4 is installed.
[00:20] <Sophty> I want 3, which I downloaded it, but it came as a tar.gz. Hence my original question.
[00:20] <stdin_> then you'll have to compile it
[00:21] <Sophty> :( That seems quite un-noob friendly.
[00:23] <m4v> Sophty: i suggest to wait until oo 3 gets into the official repos then
[00:23] <stdin_> Sophty: you can try the .deb on http://download.openoffice.org/other.html
[00:24] <Sophty> I clicked that and the download link is a tar.gz.
[00:24] <DarkTan`> ok, i have a problem. I switched my laptop to run dual screens, now i'm stuck with 640x480 res and can't get it fixed
[00:24] <stdin_> no, look at the page
[00:26] <Sophty> Yea, match up Linux DEB and English. It gives me a file that ends in deb.tar.gz
[00:26] <Sophty> Or will I have just the deb file after I extract it, without having the compile anything?
[00:28] <stdin_> extract it and you'll find some .deb files in there
[00:29] <Sophty> Yea, I see them. There is a metric feces ton in there. Is there one that installs the entire suite?
[00:30] <stdin_> no, you'll have to install them manually
[00:30] <stdin_> look at the packges you already have installed for openoffice and install the similar .debs
[00:32] <Sophty> I uninstalled 2.4 so as to avoid conflict.
[00:35] <stdin_> Sophty: http://pastebin.com/f774e6b31 is what I have installed, but the packages will be named differently
[00:39] <Sophty> Hopefully one last question. Is it an upgrade or a new install? Should I have 2.4 installed before I start opening the DEBs
[00:56] <KonDTsan> anyone know how to fix resolution problem with an ATI Radeon 200m?
[00:58] <Schuenemann> Hey, all files and directories in my home dir are owned by a strange user (500). What does this mean? I can't even load X
[01:05] <stdin> Sophty: with .debs it doesn't matter
[01:06] <stdin> Schuenemann: this command should fix it: sudo chown -R $(whowmi):$(whoami) $HOME
[01:07] <Schuenemann> stdin, I was told to change uid in /etc/passwd and /etc/groups
[01:07] <Schuenemann> what do you think?
[01:07] <Szadek> anyone using bespin ? if so , where to get the last version?
[01:07] <stdin> don't
[01:08] <jammen33> stdin: did you write the stdin plasmoid?
[01:08] <Schuenemann> but I already did in /etc/passwd...
[01:08] <stdin> Schuenemann: just change the owner back to you, messing with /etc/passwd and /etc/group can stop you from being able to login
[01:08] <stdin> jammen33: no
[01:08] <jammen33> kk
[01:08] <Schuenemann> stdin, I have other distros sharing this home dir. Will that mess with them?
[01:09] <Schuenemann> actually I mean what should I do considering that too
[01:09] <stdin> Schuenemann: if you have other distros, then you will need to make sure all the UIDs and GIDs are the same across all. in that case, you have to edit the files. but be careful
[01:10] <Schuenemann> stdin, yeah, I wasn't careful enough. I can't edit the groups file because there is uid 1000 in /etc/passwd anymore
[01:10] <stdin> it's generally a bad idea to have multiple distros sharing one $HOME though
[01:10] <Schuenemann> really? That was an advice when I installed slackware IIRC
[01:11] <stdin> different distros can have different versions of software, and those can have incompatible config files in $HOME
[01:11] <Schuenemann> hmm
[01:11] <stdin> Schuenemann: you'll have to login to recovery mode, that'll give you a root shell
[01:11] <Schuenemann> I already am
[01:11] <Schuenemann> I used nano to change the file
[01:12] <BentFrank> How can I find out which version of Kubuntu I have?  I think it's either 8.9 or 8.10.  I have KDE4.1.
[01:12] <stdin> !version
[01:12] <stdin> btw, there is no version 8.9
[01:13] <BentFrank> Ibex?
[01:13] <Schuenemann> stdin, what should I do now? I can't edit /etc/groups because my UID doesn't exist in /etc/passwd
[01:14] <stdin> BentFrank: 8.10 Intrepid Ibex, 8.04 Hardy Heron
[01:14] <stdin> Schuenemann: if you're root, then you are UID 0
[01:14] <stdin> BentFrank: it's <year>.<month>
[01:14] <Schuenemann> sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file!
[01:14] <Schuenemann> that is the message
[01:15] <stdin> Schuenemann: you don't need sudo if you're root
[01:15] <stdin> you login to recovery mode and you are root
[01:15] <BentFrank> oh!  one my first system, I started with 8.04 andupgraded to 8.10 and it has KDE4.1.  Now I'm trying a new install froman 8.10 CD and it gives me KDE4.2, which I don't want right now.  Did that come in the CD or from the first upgrade after installing?
[01:16] <Schuenemann> stdin, so I end this session and leave the passwd file as it is?
[01:17] <stdin> Schuenemann: as long as root is in the passwd file, you should be able to fix it from a recovery session
[01:18] <Schuenemann> ok, let me try
[01:19] <BentFrank> Here's my real problem...  On the new system I did System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Enable Desktop Effects.  That hosed my display and I can't revert because I can't see anything.  I can boot to root prompt and run text-based emacs (nostalgia++).  How can I fix KDE from the command line?
[01:19] <stdin> BentFrank: 4.2 is not released yet, it won't be on the 8.10 CD
[01:20] <stdin> edit ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc, find the [Compositing] section and set "Enabled=true" to "Enabled=false"
[01:20] <BentFrank> stdin = best IRC helper I ever met
[01:21] <stdin> nah, I just have a habit of breaking things so have to figure out how to fix them again ;)
[01:22] <jammen33> i like to do that too
[01:22] <jammen33> so much fun
[01:22] <Schuenemann> ok, rebooting...
[01:25] <Schuenemann> stdin, it was fixed, thanks
[01:25] <stdin> :)
[01:25] <Schuenemann> now I just get a message saying en_US isn't available
[01:25] <Schuenemann> the language
[01:26] <stdin> try installing language-pack-en or language-pack-en-base
[01:26] <Schuenemann> that will be a problem... I don't have internet yet
[01:27] <stdin> it should be on the CD
[01:28] <Schuenemann> if it's a single .deb, I could download from this box
[01:28] <Schuenemann> ugh, it's a metapackage
[01:29] <Schuenemann> I'll leave this for now, it's just a message. I'll probably have network access soon
[01:29] <Schuenemann> stdin, will I have to do this again for the other distros?
[01:30] <stdin> no, it'll only install to kubuntu
[01:31] <Schuenemann> sorry, I was talking about editing those files under /etc
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ok, evening all ...running quassel on windows 7..strange app to setup ,just as clunky as it is on kubuntu :)
[01:40] <jammen33> ooo windows 7
[01:40] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gotta do a atm run...need some cash for tomorrow
[01:40] <stdin> that's the beauty of Qt4, if you write a clunky app for linux, it's clunky on win and OSX too :)
[01:40] <BluesKaj> yup, stdin /..clunky IMO anyway ...maybe you wizards won't think so :)
[01:41] <stdin> nope, it's clunky
[01:41] <jammen33> so any one want to buy me some ram?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> bbl
[01:41] <jammen33> !quassel
[01:44] <BentFrank> one happy camper here, thanks again stdin
[01:47] <jammen33> qtparter needs a better icon
[01:52] <denis> !de
[01:52] <jammen33> !en
[01:52] <jammen33> !swap
[01:53] <CuriosCat> !kubuntu
[01:54] <CuriosCat> Hrm. So there's no advantage to wiping my 8.10 ubuntu system and replacing it with Kubuntu
[01:54] <CuriosCat> I already have KDE up and running :P
[01:55] <jammen33> will ubuntu use multiple swap drives?
[02:01] <usr> j #kubuntu-es
[02:01] <usr> ups
[02:11] <shadowhywind> hay all, have a slight problem. Everytime i try to log into KDM i get an xterm failsafe seassion, anyone ahve any ideas on how to fix this?
[02:13] <usr> Does anyone know if they had considered to use SMPlayer as default media player for Kubuntu 9.04? It is better than Dragon Player, and Kaffeine isn't yet ported to KDE4.
[02:14] <coky> does any1 know how to instal pixelview tv tuner driver?
[02:16] <fumanchu182> I have an ATI 3450 and I seem to have a problem with the aticonfig program.  Everytime my puter starts up it is based on 1900x1080 but I set it to 1280x720 and the resolution is not saved.  The driver works fine, I can confirm it with glxgears and other utilties, hasy anyone else come across this?
[02:17] <ZigCat> hi there
[02:18] <BentFrank> shadowwhywind:  on your login screen there's a dialog for Auto/KDE/failsafe
[02:19] <fumanchu182> Hello.
[02:19] <ZigCat> i have a tiny lil problem with my refreshrate on a freshly installed ubutu and my geforce 6800
[02:20] <megatron> alguém q tc?
[02:20] <ZigCat> and i have absolutely no expirience with linux systems ~=)
[02:23] <ZigCat> how do i get my first monitor (a CRT) to use 85hz instead if 60hz?
[02:23] <ZigCat> in addition to that i'd like both screens to run at 1280x1024 instead of 2 different resolutions
[02:24] <jammen33> are you using the nvidia settings manager?
[02:24] <OxDeadC0de> zigcat install the nvidia drivers and try the nvidia configuration utility
[02:25] <OxDeadC0de> aka nvidia-settings
[02:25] <ZigCat> i tried
[02:25] <ZigCat> i got both screens to work
[02:25] <ZigCat> the TFT uses the 1280x1024
[02:26] <ZigCat> but the CRT has only 1152x864 or 1360x768 to chose from
[02:27] <ZigCat> and i havn't found any way to change the refreshrate of the first screen
[02:27] <OxDeadC0de> zigcat I hope not but you may end up having to go into the xorg.conf and setting up metamodes manually
[02:28] <ZigCat> wheeeeeeeeeee
[02:28] <ZigCat> =)
[02:28] <ZigCat> so, where do i find those?
[02:28] <ZigCat> and how can i make sure i dont fcuk up my system? =)
[02:28] <OxDeadC0de> zigcat you won't find them pre-built most likely, you'll have to make them :|
[02:28] <ZigCat> okay
[02:28] <OxDeadC0de> you don't.. if it does mess up, you revert the config file through a vtty
[02:28] <Dr_willis> i recall a x modeline generatoer web site.. from ages ago..
[02:28] <ZigCat> i googled allready, and read something about horizontal and vertical tracing and stuff
[02:29] <Dr_willis> not had to use it since ive gone all lcd.
[02:29] <OxDeadC0de> i had to use the modeline generator once with my lcd to get 800x600 to have the proper refresh rate (it see's two, picks the wrong one"
[02:29] <OxDeadC0de> )
[02:29] <ZigCat> LCDs and TFTs arn't flexible enough for my taste. u have to use the home-resolution oder a fraction of it, or it starts looking ugly
[02:30] <Dr_willis> and the problem with that is?
[02:30] <ZigCat> i play games and i dont have a rig to play all games at desktopresolution
[02:30] <Dr_willis> i imagine in a few more years.. it will be very hard to even find CRT's any more
[02:31] <ZigCat> so i have to reduce the resolution to something that makes the game work smooth-ish
[02:31] <OxDeadC0de> who cares with OLED? :P
[02:31] <Dr_willis> ESP-LED - light right into your brains
[02:31] <ZigCat> lol
[02:31] <ZigCat> and what about aliasing? =)
[02:32] <jammen33> lol
[02:32] <Dr_willis> You dont really  Hear much about those video 'big deals'  that were commomly argued just a year or 2 ago..
[02:32] <ZigCat> think about all those stairs DIRECTLY on you retina! =)
[02:32] <jammen33> esp-led
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Ive not kept up with video card stuff in ages... getting where the new ones got so much power it scary.. then the games just add more leafs/shadows/stuff  flittering about.. to suck up all tha tpower
[02:33] <OxDeadC0de> makes me wonder what the range is on esp-led
[02:33] <Dr_willis> apt-get install kesp-frontend
[02:33] <ZigCat> anyhow
[02:33] <ZigCat> how do i get my screens up and running?
[02:34] <jammen33> that would be nice
[02:34] <ZigCat> because another thing that i dont like is, that the desktop on my main-screen is larger than i can see
[02:34] <Guest99584> list
[02:34] <Guest99584> nick
[02:34] <Guest99584> help
[02:34] <Guest99584> HELP
[02:35] <Guest99584> login
[02:35] <Guest99584> login
[02:35] <ZigCat> erm
[02:35] <ZigCat> that was quick
[02:35] <ZigCat> and there we go again
[02:35] <Guest99584> help
[02:35] <Guest99584> .h
[02:36] <ncfi1013> i installed the user agent switcher but there is no test button so how will i know if it works?
[02:38] <ZigCat> am i allowed to post weblinks in here?
[02:39] <khalidmian> looking for help and assistance in setting multi display using nvidia xserver
[02:39] <ncfi1013> i installed the user agent switcher but there is no test button so how will i know if it works?
[02:39] <syockit> Test button?
[02:40] <syockit> As soon as you selected the user agent, your browser will use that
[02:40] <ZigCat> khalidmian: welcome to the club! =)
[02:40] <khalidmian> ZigCat: ty
[02:40] <syockit> ah, you mean like to prove it's using the user agent?
[02:40] <ncfi1013> well the uas site there is test button installed with the uas in the tools menu under user agent switcher
[02:41] <khalidmian> ZigCat: any suggestions help on my topic?
[02:41] <ncfi1013> the browser will use it automatically so no reason for testing?
[02:42] <ZigCat> not really
[02:42] <ZigCat> i have some similar problems =)
[02:43] <syockit> ncfi1013: hmm, the page gives a link to http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html
[02:43] <khalidmian> ah lol  i seem to enable my tv and it works but i lose setting on reboot
[02:43] <syockit> ncfi1013: I don't see any mention of test button
[02:45] <khalidmian> when i  as to save settings to X config file it says: Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'.
[02:45] <ncfi1013> ok look at this syockit: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/help/
[02:45] <ZigCat> maybe there allready is one file with that name
[02:46] <ZigCat> tried "xorg.conf.backup2" some something in that line of thought?
[02:46] <khalidmian> i doubt i just installed it
[02:46] <Dr_willis> kalenedrael,  you are runnng whatever x config tool.. as the root user?
[02:46] <syockit> ncfi1013: Like I said, there's only a link for the test. It says to select first the UA from the uas menu. Then go to the test site if you want
[02:48] <ZigCat> i just tried it
[02:48] <khalidmian> looking for help and assistance in setting multi display using nvidia xserver anybody?
[02:48] <ZigCat> i get the same message
[02:48] <syockit> gah, I'm going to revert to Konversation. Quassel's too weird
[02:48] <ZigCat> and there is no file with that name
[02:49] <khalidmian> yes no file by that name
[02:50] <ZigCat> hm
[02:50] <ZigCat> im not able to create any files manually in that folder
[02:50] <ZigCat> maybe there just a problem with the rights in there
[02:50] <khalidmian> its under root
[02:51] <ZigCat> i have no idea
[02:51] <khalidmian> sudo gedit etc/x11/xorg.conf
[02:51] <ZigCat> im new to this, too ~=)
[02:51] <ZigCat> im just trying educated guesses here =)
[02:57] <ZigCat> i found a website/blog about the "gtf"-command
[03:16] <yao_ziyuan> there somehow is a Universal Accessibility tray icon
[03:16] <yao_ziyuan> and it doesn't disappear after a reboot
[03:16] <yao_ziyuan> how do i remove it?
[03:26] <syockit> Can I tell apt to only ignore current upgrade? In other words, hold current upgrade until a newer upgrade comes
[03:33] <BentFrank> Installing NX on Kubuntu 8.10.  It wants to know if I have one of (redhat, suse, mandrake, debian, solaris, fedora).  I think debian - is that right?
[03:33] <yao_ziyuan> sorry i didn't receive any possible replies
[03:35] <yao_ziyuan> how do i remove the Universal Accessibility tray icon?
[04:25] <amelie> anybody who speaks spanish here?
[04:25] <Dr_willis> No Hoblo
[04:25] <Dr_willis> !es
[04:25] <amelie> i don't want spanish help
[04:25] <amelie> i just want to chat with some spanish speaking person
[04:25] <amelie> :(
[04:26] <amelie> nobody?
[04:26] <Dr_willis> So try those 2 channels then? :)
[04:26] <syockit> hmm, then I should go to #ubuntu-ja ...
[04:26] <amelie> well, finally the language doesn't matter at all...
[04:26] <syockit> ...but no one's there!
[04:26]  * Dr_willis goes to #ubuntu-HotBabes
[04:27] <syockit> oh, it was ubuntu-jp
[04:28] <amelie> ok.. bye then...
[04:35] <syockit> no ones on HotBabes...
[04:35] <syockit> even if there are, they would be text-only
[04:41] <Dr_willis> They all ran away when You joined. :)
[04:43] <syockit> #ubuntu's having massive flood
[04:43] <Dr_willis> It is? i dident see it
[04:47] <syockit> your monitor's too big
[04:48] <syockit> Mine is 7.8"
[04:55] <syockit> dtchen: About phonon and pa: did that mean you just set it to prefer pulseaudio over alsa?
[04:55] <dtchen> syockit: i didn't set anything in jaunty
[04:55] <dtchen> i just installed kubuntu-desktop, and it worked
[04:56] <syockit> dtchen: you mean, you installed from scratch? you didn't have kubuntu intrepid before?
[04:56] <dtchen> syockit: i did not, no
[04:56] <dtchen> i had ubuntu feisty -> gutsy -> hardy -> intrepid -> jaunty
[04:56] <dtchen> in jaunty, i installed kubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <dtchen> (it's intentional; i'm debugging a pulseaudio interaction issue)
[04:57] <syockit> oh. Maybe it had a conf script in that package. I ought to try it one day...
[05:10] <\kira> I get a error while installing that it cant mount the things it just formatted, any ideas?
[05:12] <syockit> kwsk
[05:12] <\kira> kwsk?
[05:13] <\kira> ''adsf
[05:13] <\kira> opps
[05:13] <\kira> nevermind that last line
[05:14] <syockit> sorry, used wrong abbr at wrong place
[05:14] <syockit> I mean, details plz?
[05:15] <\kira> well. I manually partitioned my drives, and when it goes about formatting them, after it returns that it cant mount them. Is this a usual thing?
[05:16] <\kira> I have the options to go back or continue
[05:16] <pulaski> hello, I've been over to #apache and #python with this question but it may be appropriate here as ubuntu apache configuration files seem to be set up in a unique way.  I need to change the cgi directive to enable apache to read python scripts.  The directive I changed resides in /etc/apache2/sites-available.  Is this correct?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> \kira,  ive see it befor where after partioning a disk. the system has to reboot to see the changes.
[05:18] <stdin> pulaski: all you need to do is add ExecCGI to the Directory directive and add something like "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi"
[05:18] <\kira> Okay, ill try just ignoring it after I finish checking the disk for defects
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I normally leave a part of the hd unpartitoned/unallocated and let the installer auto-allocate that space.. or let it use the whole drive. :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> or i make my own layout by hand  befor i start the installer
[05:20] <pulaski> stdin: Thanks for responding.  I've done that.  You can take a look at the directive here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/101094/
[05:21] <\kira> well, my last installation was working, but it froze half way through loading, then after a hard reset, I got a grub 18 error. My home partition is still intact, so I wanted to use it as my home directory for my new installation
[05:21] <Dr_willis> You can always just mount /home to its proper place after installing.
[05:21] <\kira> Get home on friday, cant wait to play wow, turn on computer to see a grub error :( My day has sucked so far
[05:21] <jammen33> sad
[05:21] <\kira> lol
[05:21] <Dr_willis> No idea what grub 18 is. - i dont recall that one :)
[05:22] <jammen33> i think it means it cant find the menu.list
[05:22] <jammen33> or something like that
[05:22] <stdin> pulaski: you don't nees a ScriptAlias if your document root is /home/mike/public_html, and I think you need to move AddHandler out of the Directory directive, I have mine in the bottom of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[05:22] <\kira> basically, yea. The actual error was more complicated to understand
[05:23] <Dr_willis> thats possible if the drives have some how moved I guess.
[05:23] <\kira> the person who was using the system at the time said it just crashed while booting
[05:23] <\kira> then started giving the grub error
[05:23] <\kira> I tried to mount my / partition from a live cd, and it was corrutp
[05:23] <\kira> *corrput
[05:24] <\kira> so im guessing thats why it couldnt find the boot files in the first 8 gigs
[05:24] <pulaski> \kira: Ok thanks for taking a look.  I won't take anymore of your time.  I have a couple other ideas to try.
[05:24] <jammen33> taht could be the problem
[05:24] <\kira> pulaski: wrong person
[05:24] <DaSkreech> !kdenlive
[05:24] <DaSkreech> !info kdenlive
[05:25] <\kira> um... after checking the disk, the machine didnt even give any output, it just restarted
[05:25] <\kira> is that okay?
[05:25] <angel> canal español?
[05:26] <syockit> !kubuntu-es
[05:26] <syockit> cheh
[05:26] <angel> ok
[05:26] <stdin> !es
[05:26] <syockit> I see
[05:26] <pulaski> stdin: thanks.  that's someting else I can try.
[05:26] <angel> ok
[05:26] <syockit> Now learnt a new thing
[05:26] <syockit> but maybe regular users like me shouldn't abuse the bot
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Anyone having kmail crashes ?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> hola angel
[05:36] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: I have it not crashing, does that help? (;
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: If you can remember the last time you updated then yes
[05:41] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: compiled yesterday (;)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Blast
[05:46] <syockit> dtchen: Output of your said command: http://paste.ubuntu.com/108870/
[05:53] <syockit> dtchen: Redone: http://paste.ubuntu.com/108871/
[05:54] <dtchen> syockit: are you using `pulseaudio -D -vv'? a *lot* of verboseness is missing...
[05:56] <syockit> yup
[05:57] <syockit> dtchen: should I install pulseaudio-dbg?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Stop krashing Kmail!!!
[05:59] <dtchen> syockit: you'll probably need more than that. Are all the necessary dependencies installed?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> hi qcjn
[06:01] <syockit> dtchen: probably not. I need to go through my pulseaudio installs again
[06:02] <qcjn> hi DaS
[06:02] <qcjn> i'm messing around with xcfe and compiz
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Cool
[06:04] <qcjn> i wanted to try xcfe, but i've installed compiz icon, and i think this starts compix automatically, and i,d like to close it. Cause it makes my computer a bit slower ?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> metacity --replace
[06:05] <qcjn> thats it ? "in the terminal" ?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:05] <qcjn> ok
[06:05] <syockit> dtchen: still the same after installing pulseaudio-*. Gonna restart. brb
[06:06] <qcjn> yes sir...thanks
[06:06] <qcjn> and if i'd like it back..same thing or what
[06:06] <Dr_willis> I always use the 'fusion-icon' tool to enable/disable compiz
[06:07] <qcjn> Dr_willis: i don't see where in the fusion icon
[06:07]  * Tm_T just uses Kwin <3
[06:07] <Dr_willis> !info fusion-icon
[06:07] <Dr_willis> install it. and run it with 'fusion-icon'
[06:10] <qcjn> nop, metacity --replace didn't worked
[06:11] <qcjn> it froze ! had to restart xwindow
[06:12] <qcjn> so Dr_willis how to stop with the icon..i have it ..rightclick/quit ?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> what froze?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i normally run fusion-icon  from a terminal with 'fusion-icon &' if i recall...   it has right click menus to set things
[06:13] <cjae> wow got 4.2 desktop sweet
[06:13] <cjae> but why is my panel bar two inches to short on right side?
[06:13] <qcjn> seems to be xwindow..couldn't do anything
[06:20] <TraceRoute> does tab completion not work in konsole or something? because it will only list stuff in the current directory. I can't use it for aptitude to list stuff in the repositories
[06:21] <Dr_willis> I think more advnaced tab completion features need to be enabled in the .bashrc or .bash_profile
[06:22] <TraceRoute> is this something new because it never use to be like that, Its still the same way in gnome anyhow
[06:22] <Dr_willis> try from a shell  '         . /etc/bash_completion   '
[06:22] <Dr_willis> see if it works after that.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> could be the Konsole is running .bashrc instead of .bash_profile or somthing like that
[06:24] <qcjn> thanks guys, i've just took off the burning window, and it's fast enough, so it's ok
[06:24] <qcjn> but now i'm going to sleep
[06:24] <qcjn> so good night all
[06:29] <nemesis_> hi
[06:29] <nemesis_> as these
[06:36] <TraceRoute> Dr_willis weird, not sure why it wasn't enabled
[06:37] <TraceRoute> but i noticed not working after upgrading kdebindings
[06:40] <stdin> TraceRoute: try doing "source /etc/bash_completion"
[06:41] <DaSkreech> cjae: Just lengthen it
[06:41] <stdin> TraceRoute: if it works after that check your ~/.bashrc, it should have something like "if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion; fi"
[06:41] <Dr_willis> '  . /etc/bash_completion   '
[06:41] <Dr_willis> is same as  source  :) the . is a shortcut for 'source'
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: if it has a space after it
[06:42] <Dr_willis> and it does. :)
[06:42] <Dr_willis> actually  i cut/pasted that from the .bashrc
[06:42] <Dr_willis> use of the source command would be more clear i agree
[06:42] <Dr_willis> but its good to rember the 'trick' since i seeit a lot in othe rshell scripts as we
[06:43] <TraceRoute> well it works now
[06:43] <TraceRoute> just odd to me why it stopped
[06:44] <stdin> I think it was enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc some time, but that changed a couple releases ago
[06:44] <TraceRoute> ah ok
[06:46] <TraceRoute> but it still works fine on my gnome box and i never had to do anything, it is just something to do with konsole?
[06:46] <stdin> no, it's bash. nothing to do with konsole
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Its possible its a 'Konsile isrunning a  shell, vs a LOGIN shell' type issue also.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> try it in xterm, see if it works.   try it in 'xterm -ls'  see if it works
[06:49] <TraceRoute> yeah works fine in xterm
[06:50] <Dr_willis> does it work in xterm -ls ?
[06:50] <TraceRoute> yes
[06:51] <stdin> starting xterm after sourcing /etc/bash_completion would work, as the environment should be preserved
[06:52] <Dr_willis> Its working in here under xterm, and konsole.
[06:58] <TraceRoute> ew does ur alls logout logo look like this? http://www.mypicx.com/01242009/logout_logo/
[06:59] <TraceRoute> I'm using kde4.2 I guess it changed with i updated
[06:59] <TraceRoute> when*
[07:28] <Dr_willis> i dont even use kde 4.2 :)
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Boooo
[07:29]  * jammen33 screams
[07:30]  * Dr_willis giggles like a schoolgirl
[07:33] <jammen33> i wonder when the alphas fro kde 5.0 will come out?
[07:35]  * Dr_willis waits for Service pack 1
[07:35] <RurouniJones> what masochist would try kde 5.0 alphas
[07:35] <jammen33> how much ram will it need?
[07:36] <jammen33> kde 4 double
[07:36] <jammen33> will 5 doulbe that?
[07:36] <Dr_willis> exponetial
[07:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:36] <jammen33> ic
[07:36] <Dr_willis> 2, 4, 8  16 32, 64,
[07:36] <Dr_willis> 128. 256
[07:37] <jammen33> so about 2TB?
[07:37] <jammen33> :)
[07:37] <Dr_willis> for the icon cache.. yea 2tb :)
[07:38] <jammen33> must me some icons
[07:38] <jammen33> be*
[07:47] <syockit> dtchen: you still here? I think my pulseaudio is still not working
[07:48] <syockit> dtchen: probably policykit packages missing
[07:56] <syockit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/265010 says it's user error, but how come?
[07:58] <jammen33> !enligthenment
[07:58] <jammen33> !enlightenment
[07:59] <jammen33> !E
[07:59] <jammen33> well it said or "E"
[07:59] <Dr_willis> Its also known simply as 'E' or "E17"
[07:59] <jammen33> i kno
[07:59] <faileas> jammen33: look up opengeu. its outdated but its a nice, integrated ubuntu derivative that uses enlightenment
[08:00] <Dr_willis> geubuntu, opengeu, gos,
[08:00] <Dr_willis> i forget what ones still exist, or have changed names. :)
[08:00] <jammen33> openGEU 8.04.1
[08:01] <Dr_willis> Yea -  think Gebuntu became OpenGEU
[08:01] <faileas> yup, they are skipping 8.10 and going straight to 9.04
[08:01]  * faileas tried 8.04, it was NICE
[08:01] <Dr_willis> Ijust skipp anything using E17
[08:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:02] <faileas> Dr_willis: i try everything once ;p
[08:02] <faileas> then i stick to what works for me
[08:02] <jammen33> how did the ice cold flagpoll work out?
[08:03] <jammen33> nvm
[08:05] <faileas> jammen33: lol
[08:44] <Kaiseran> hello everyone
[08:44] <Kaiseran> need some help with kubuntu installation
[08:44] <Kaiseran> pls
[08:45] <Kaiseran> I am getting a buffer I/O error on dev sr0 everytime i try to install off the CD
[08:50] <TeLLuS> directly when starting maybe it is the player or later in the installation maybe it is a problem with the cd, is it clean, is there not a checksum checker at the bootup from the cd, try another cd
[08:51] <Kaiseran> i've tried 3 different cd's
[08:51] <Kaiseran> it is after the initial screen the errors start coming up
[08:51] <Kaiseran> then it goes uptil the stage of hardware driver installation and then stops
[08:52] <Dr_willis> got a thumbdrive? if so try  unetbootin to make a bootable/installable usb-boot media?
[08:52] <Kaiseran> i've to reboot my laptop to start again
[08:52] <Kaiseran> naaa, it is a CD/DVD drive
[08:52] <TeLLuS> tried change cable or player?
[08:52] <Kaiseran> its a laptop
[08:53] <TeLLuS> any other way too boot it? USB maybe?
[08:53] <Dr_willis> I would make a thumbdr0ve to install from.. or try the alternative installer cd
[09:01] <Kaiseran> never used a usb drive to install kubuntu
[09:02] <Dr_willis> thats all i use noa a days
[09:02] <Dr_willis> a lot faster :)
[09:03] <Dr_willis> if you use the ubuntu-usb-disk tool you can make one with a persistant save/home also.. but unetbootin tool cant do that.. yet
[09:03] <ashok> i want driver for nvidia 8200g
[09:03] <dwidmann> !nvidia
[09:04] <kriox> hi people...
[09:05] <dwidmann> hi
[09:06] <kriox> i have the kubuntu 8.04 whit kde 3.5.6 and after an upload dolphin appare me in a english instead of italian
[09:06] <kriox> there is a solution?
[09:07] <dwidmann> kriox: not sure if it's the same in the kde3 version of dolphin, but in the kde4 version you can change language by going to help -> switch application language
[09:10] <kriox> i have tried in linguage from sistem settin but nothing change
[09:11] <kriox> but you are tolking abaut one menu' of dolphin
[09:11] <dwidmann> yep
[09:15] <kriox> dwidmann: i' find but there is not the italian option's
[09:15] <kriox> it's is very srange
[09:15] <kriox> sorry strange
[09:16] <dwidmann> strange indeed
[09:33] <Dr_willis> indeed  strange indeed it is.
[09:36] <syockit> Um, quick recap on how to pass parameters to program in a script?
[09:37] <Dr_willis> that ABS guide has examples.. but  the basics i recall are $0 $1 $2 and so forth.
[09:37] <syockit> I'm wrapping opera with a script, but somehow of I set that script as default browser, it doesn't turn out right
[09:37] <Dr_willis> what ya trying to do exactly
[09:38] <syockit> maybe $1 will do?
[09:38] <Dr_willis> it may be quoteing/quotes getting removed issues.
[09:38] <Dr_willis> make the script echo the  commands to see what its getting - perhaps
[09:38] <syockit> $1 did the trick!
[09:39] <syockit> Now i can go on link clicking spree on this channel
[09:41] <kriox> i have said something wrong .....:-)) sorry for my english
[09:42] <Dr_willis> hmm.. xchat here has an entry for opera allready :)
[09:43] <syockit> Ohoo... while I've been jumping from one IRC client to another. End up going back to Konversation
[09:43] <syockit> You using opera 10?
[09:44] <Dr_willis> I was using the opera beta on windows.. not sure  what i got on linux right now
[09:46] <eagles0513875> hi Dr_willis
[09:46] <Dr_willis> hi
[09:46] <eagles0513875> someone was using opera 10 the other day and it kept crashing for them btw syockit
[09:47] <syockit> eagles0513875: I don't experience crashes, but have glitches with other things: scim, and keyboard becoming unusable suddenly
[09:48] <eagles0513875> i dont use internet much on my testing rig so i dunno
[09:49] <eagles0513875> are you on the stable 4.1.3 or what ever the latest stable version of kde is
[09:50] <syockit> 4.2RC1
[09:50] <syockit> for some idiot like me, RC == stable!!
[09:50] <syockit> yay
[09:51] <etfb> Just installed Intrepid on an Acer Aspire 8920.  Cam
[09:51] <eagles0513875> lol im on 4.2 lol
[09:51] <etfb> Can't make the trackpad work the way I like.
[09:51] <eagles0513875> not stable but getting there
[09:51] <etfb> Anyone know what I should do?  Every time I touch the trackpad to move the mouse, it thinks I'm left-clicking.
[09:51] <etfb> Driving me insane!  (Short trip.)
[09:52] <etfb> Then I need to get the sound to work without crashing Linux, of course, but that's for once the mouse has stopped irritating me...
[09:56] <PyleDriver> how do i edit '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'? the tutorial i'm reading says 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' but it says the 'gedit' command isn't found
[09:56] <syockit> That's probably something to do with the default settings for the trackpad
[09:56] <syockit> PyleDriver: in kubuntu, you use kate instead of gedit
[09:57] <PyleDriver> syockit: helpful information. thanks
[09:57] <syockit> etfb: try to look if there's already a bug reported for your model
[09:57] <etfb> PyleDriver: Most of the stuff you see is for Gnome, not KDE.  You learn to translate their false assumptions after a while.
[09:57] <syockit> false assumptions ;)
[09:57] <etfb> syockit: Google didn't find much, but my Google-fu is lacking.
[09:57] <eagles0513875> syockit: instead of editing xorg.conf wouldnt it be easier to run dpkg and reconfigure it
[09:57] <eagles0513875> etfb: www.google.com/linux
[09:58] <eagles0513875> try that out etfb
[09:58] <syockit> what was he doing anyway?
[09:58] <syockit> he == another assumption made ;)
[09:59] <PyleDriver> it's the english language's fault for not having an acceptable gender-neutral term
[10:02] <Dr_willis> 'Shemale'
[10:02] <Dr_willis> 'shim'
[10:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:02] <syockit> Good, let's move to get that word approved as standard english! !ot
[10:03] <etfb> Dr_willis: I quite like "he or she or it", abbreviated to "h'orsh'it"...
[10:03] <PyleDriver> i second that
[10:03] <etfb> (Someone's going to go all !language on me now, I can tell.  But it was worth it.)
[10:04] <Dr_willis> !ohmy | etfb
[10:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:04] <etfb> Curse you, you fiend!!!  (heh heh heh)
[10:05] <syockit> Gosh, it's really tough to get this build system right
[10:05] <etfb> So anyhow: my google/linux-fu is even weaker than my google-fu today.  I want the trackpad not to register a mouse click when I touch the main mousing area.  Used to be a way to do it with ksynaptics, but that seems not to be in the repositories for Intrepid.  Any clues?
[10:06] <syockit> hmm, how about tpconfig?
[10:07] <kanniball> hi!
[10:07] <kanniball> how can i change my system locale?
[10:07] <etfb> syockit: Haven't heard of it.  I'll try it.
[10:07] <syockit> okay, tpconfig wrong
[10:07] <syockit> etfb: don't
[10:08] <syockit> it's no GUI. might better of get gsynaptics
[10:08] <etfb> syockit: Resolutely not trying tpconfig; gotcha!
[10:08] <syockit> but before you do anything... let's research this more thoroughly okay
[10:10] <_gl_> Hi, I am new to kubuntu, but I noted that suse updates to kde4 are way more common than those for kubuntu, am I missing a repository? If so which one>
[10:10] <Dr_willis> see the repo/docs mentioned int he topic perhaps?
[10:11] <Dr_willis> I dont keep up wth the kde 4 releases that much
[10:11] <_gl_> Sorry I do not understand what you mean "repo/docs in the topics"
[10:11] <kanniball> _gl_: in the kubuntu page you have news about new released KDE versions, and the repository information
[10:11] <_gl_> OK
[10:12] <kanniball> _gl_: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.4
[10:12] <Dr_willis> See topic :)
[10:12] <syockit> ksynaptics missing is probably due to all the fiasco with xorg.conf
[10:13] <Dr_willis> I was thinkig ksynaptics is a bit outdated now..
[10:13] <_gl_> Thank you kanniball
[10:13] <Dr_willis> There was some other tools to replace it. but i dont rember what it was called
[10:13] <syockit> etfb: meanwhile try looking for it at other places: ubuntuforums.org, launchpad.net etc
[10:16] <syockit> etfb: not forgetting wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <nahy> hello. i want clean up my disc space. what should i do? is there any document that fully describe?
[10:18] <syockit> etfb: You might have to follow the guidelines in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[10:19] <syockit> nahy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140920 is just one of them
[10:20] <nahy> thank you
[10:21] <syockit> Actually you can get lots of hits for that by googling 'ubuntu clean up'
[10:21] <nahy> aha. thank u again
[10:24] <nahy> it's talking about synaptic. nothing about adept?
[10:25] <etfb> syockit: That seems to be what I needed; thanks.  Gotta reboot now, believe it or not (I swear, it's like Windows 95 around here today...)
[10:26] <syockit> etfb: I didn't remember having to reboot... oh, maybe you wanted to reload the fdi. oh well
[10:27] <nahy> syockit: it's talking about synaptic. nothing about adept?
[10:28] <syockit> syockit: no, this is synaptics, the touchpad driver
[10:28] <syockit> Sometimes I wonder if they are exhausted of naming resources
[10:28] <nahy> i cant understand what you mean
[10:29] <techbw> why would one need synaptics touchpad drivers in kubuntu?  Kubuntu should support touchpad out of box.
[10:29] <syockit> "Google Chrome"! What? I have been living with mozilla's chrome, don't wan't the name to be used for another browser!
[10:29] <syockit> techbw: driver is already there, but method for customizing isn't
[10:30] <syockit> and some people have them behave erratically by default
[10:30] <techbw> ok I understand, what do you want to customise, because most of the functions for setting the touchpad can be found under system settings->keyboard and mouse
[10:31] <syockit> I can't find it :(
[10:31] <syockit> There are only general mouse settings, nothing specific to the touchpad
[10:31] <syockit> (Mine isn't a touchpad, technically)
[10:32] <Dr_willis> what is it then?
[10:32] <Dr_willis> a 'dont touch pad' ?
[10:32] <techbw> what kind of device is it, is it more a tablet? or one of those directional joystick thingies
[10:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:34] <noaXess> hi all
[10:35] <noaXess> if i unplug my second battery on my notebook guidance power manager don't see it... it shows allready two bats connected..
[10:35] <noaXess> any idea to force recheck?
[10:36] <Dr_willis> Hmmm.. 2 batteries?
[10:37] <noaXess> jep
[10:37] <noaXess> a main bat and a bat that i can insert into the dvd-bay
[10:37] <Dr_willis> isent that special
[10:37] <Dr_willis> :P
[10:38] <noaXess> jep
[10:39] <noaXess> hm.. an other prob, my kwin is eating 40%+ cpu
[10:39] <syockit> Yeah, it's the directional joystick thing, known as the trackpoint (http://xkcd.com/243/)
[10:39] <acetoline> how can i remove stubborn processes from memory?
[10:39] <techbw> talking about batteries, how can one extend battery life while not on mains in kubuntu, where can I set schemes for say disabling wireless
[10:39] <acetoline> those that won't die with kill.
[10:40] <_gl_> Hmm... I added the repository and nothing updates....
[10:40] <_gl_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[10:40] <_gl_> any ideas?
[10:41] <techbw> have you tried sudo apt-get update, and are there any errors
[10:41] <_gl_> will do, thanks, I am used to suse, not kubuntu
[10:41] <bendie> Hi everybody! I like to install the KDE 4.2 RC packages on my Kubuntu 8.10 but it wants to remove KOffice 1.6.3. Why? It doesn't even install the new koffice...
[10:42] <Dr_willis> I was thinking there was some issues with koffice.
[10:42] <Dr_willis> i  thought the URL in the topc mentions it.
[10:43] <techbw> have you tried sudo apt-get purge koffice
[10:43] <bendie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-rc1 says there are issues with koffice2. I've only got koffice 1.6 installed on my system and I want to keep it there...
[10:44] <techbw> ah! I see, then find a archived 1.6.3 and download that, once you have 8.10 installed, then install the 1.6.3
[10:44] <kanniball> can anybody explain me why i run "locale" command in console, I have the locale setted right, but in the X session (Konsole) it's not setted in LANG, and as POSIX on other items?
[10:45] <techbw> had to do that with flash, for some or other reason flash 10 has issues on kubuntu 8.04 don't know about 8.10
[10:45] <kanniball> I've searched around, but can't find a solution
[10:46] <techbw> http://download.kde.org/stable/koffice-1.6.3/src/koffice-1.6.3.tar.bz2
[10:47] <syockit> eww, no better solution? I'd hate having to install from source
[10:48] <syockit> currently, I can't apt-get it due to kformula being missing
[10:48] <techbw> lol, busy looking for a deb now
[10:49] <techbw> do you have an old entry for a repo, then add that repo into your new 8.10 and try install that way
[10:49] <syockit> I think only kformula is broken, the depends needs tweaking
[10:49] <Dr_willis> I cant say that ive ever used Koffice
[10:51] <syockit> I only want the spreadsheet though.
[10:51] <techbw> found one
[10:51] <techbw> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17969240/koffice_1.6.3-6ubuntu3_all.deb
[10:52] <techbw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/sparc/koffice/1:1.6.3-6ubuntu3
[10:54] <bendie> techbw: thanks for your help. I don't use koffice much, only kspread and I just hoped that somebody from the RC1-packagers (apachelogger?) might tell me a reason why it has to be removed when installing the 4.2 RC1 - packages...
[10:55] <techbw> no problem
[10:55] <bendie> I don't see any reason in this. Maybe it's a packaging bug?
[10:56] <noaXess> is there the nvidia driver 180.22 available in any kubuntu repos? i can find just 180.11
[10:57] <techbw> one of those ppl will have to answer that q, that is far over my head
[10:59] <Guest73878> is there for some way i can access my mother computer bypassing routers or whatever in the middle? i mean, that she can open the connecction somehow just clicking somewhere?
[11:00] <techbw> how can I enable the 3 button mouse emulation in kubuntu, I had a mouse plugged into the laptop when I installed, so it did not give me this option during the install
[11:00] <Dr_willis> i wonder if that goto-my-pc thing works with linux and windows...
[11:02] <_gl_> Still no joy.  sudo apt-get update does not list the kde4 repository
[11:03] <techbw> was there any errors, and did you add the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:03] <_gl_> I added the repo with adept
[11:03] <techbw> what version of kubuntu you using
[11:04] <_gl_> the one that came with kubuntu (is it 4.1.3?)
[11:04] <techbw> 8.04 and 8.10 already have kde4 apps in the repos by default
[11:04] <_gl_> Hm... but not 4.1.4
[11:04] <_gl_> I guess...
[11:06] <sunshine> How to switch from kdm to gdm i installed gdm and configured it as my default, but it is not starting at bootup. I'm only coming to a console login.
[11:06] <techbw> version of kde 4 in 8.04 is 8.0.14
[11:07] <techbw> sorry 4.0.14
[11:07] <techbw> don't know about 8.10
[11:07] <noaXess> sunshine: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:07] <techbw> but I doubt they are though
[11:08] <_gl_> techbw: shown in synaptic is 4.1.3, but adding the repo for 4.1.4 does not show updates
[11:08] <xanax``> what package should I install in Synaptic to install KDE4 ?
[11:09] <Greenery> how to format my usb drive in Kubuntu?
[11:10] <techbw> KDE 4.2 Release Candidate 1 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty". Packages for Kubuntu 8.10 "Intrepid" are compiling and will be available shortly, check back soon if they are not all available when you read this. Read more for details.
[11:10] <_gl_> techbw: that explains it all. Many thanks!
[11:10] <techbw> sorry i see 4.1.4
[11:10] <techbw> not 4.2
[11:11] <gerry_> hello
[11:11] <faileas> techbw: on the experimental repo the version is 4.1.96, which is rc1 ;)
[11:12] <techbw> he is looking for kde4.1.4 which is available.
[11:12] <techbw> do you have these repos?
[11:13] <techbw> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main
[11:13] <techbw> deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main
[11:13] <techbw> for kde4.1.4 you can see all about at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html
[11:17] <syockit> 4.1.4 is gonna be the last for 4.1 afaik
[11:17] <syockit> and kubuntu lads are preparing 4.2 for backports
[11:18] <techbw> I would like to thank the Ubuntu guys if they are in the room here, for such good work, I have been using kubuntu on and off for a while, and just made the leap of no longer dual booting, Kubuntu has come a long way good work guys
[11:18] <acetoline> techbw: same here, I'm always on linux now.
[11:19] <sunshine> techbw: these are debian repos i doubt you would like to install this
[11:19] <techbw> there are still a few things that could be done to improve it though, like support for tablets, it is hard to get them working correctly, I am sure there is other hardware with issues
[11:19] <techbw> is kubuntu not of debian origin, we using the debian installers?
[11:20] <syockit> Work is on for tablet support. But more input from tablet users are needed.
[11:20] <faileas> techbw: there's some differences
[11:20] <syockit> Not to mention legacy serial tablets
[11:20] <faileas> generally mixing packages between distros isn't recommended
[11:21] <knusperfrosch> how do i find out to which package a file belongs to?
[11:21] <techbw> Eye candy is ok fine, for now, more work needs to go into supporting hardware. OH! and don't forget software to replace those window$ apps like PS CS4 and the like, the gimp just does not cut it for me
[11:23] <techbw> _gl_:http://www.kde.org/info/4.1.4.php
[11:23] <knusperfrosch> techbw: so why don't you stay with windows and use the programm you need for your work(PS CS4)?
[11:23] <faileas> techbw: there's always wine ;)
[11:23] <faileas> though..
[11:24] <techbw> I have a computer specifically for work, and CS4 does not work on wine :-) was reading your mind
[11:24]  * faileas dosen't like gimp much, i just use paint.net in a vm ;)
[11:25] <techbw> The program is fine, but once you are used to doing things one way, then moving from Photoshop to Gimp or paint.net, is kinda difficult,,, I took years in finding my way around PS and don't want to have to learn, so for work I stay with PS, but I guess one day PS will eventually have a port for linux, as linux grows
[11:27] <xanax``> what package should I install in Synaptic to install KDE4 ?
[11:28] <techbw> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[11:28] <xanax``> ok
[11:30] <xanax``> i don't see it in synaptic (though I added http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu to the repository list)
[11:31] <techbw> what version of kubuntu you using?
[11:31] <xanax``> ubuntu 8.10
[11:32] <osotogari> just a quick question
[11:32] <techbw> kde4 should already be in repo. you shouldn't have to add another repo for it, I actually think kde4 is the default for 8.10 not sure on that
[11:32] <osotogari> why when i insert my usb external hard disk is it owned by root?
[11:33] <etfb> Trying to get sound working in my shiny new Acer Aspire 8920.  One of the step-by-step intructions assumes there's a device called /dev/snd/hwC0D0, but the only ones I have in /dev/snd start with pcm, not hw.  What does all that mean?
[11:35] <techbw> xanax'':yes kde4 is default on 8.10
[11:36] <syockit> etfb: where'd you get the steps from?
[11:36] <etfb> http://jan.saell.org/blog/archives/30
[11:36] <etfb> Requires upgrading to the latest ALSA (already on there, so that's easy) and using something called hda-verb
[11:37] <syockit> sadly, that looks quite old. Especially, there are major changes regarding hardware detection from 8.04 to 8.10
[11:37] <etfb> syockit: It's recent -- late 2008.  Could have sworn it mentioned 8.10, but I guess it can't have.  D'oh!
[11:38] <etfb> So what are the changes, and can I have sound please?  There'll be a new Battlestar Galactica to download soon, and I don't lipread very well!
[11:41]  * etfb sighs melodramatically and wishes upgrading could be easy, just once...
[11:42] <syockit> etfb: Can you tell me the version of your alsa? maybe a dpkg -I alsa
[11:44] <saiy> hello everyone
[11:45] <etfb> syockit: The one ending in 17, whatever that is.  Hang on, checking...
[11:46] <etfb> syockit: 1.0.17 apparently
[11:46] <syockit> you're right, intrepid still doesn't have 18 backported
[11:46] <syockit> oh well
[11:47] <sashaye> Hi
[11:47] <saiy> hi
[11:47] <syockit> etfb: I don't recommend it, but you can try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810
[11:47] <syockit> It's a long journey of source compiling
[11:48] <etfb> syockit: What will that get me in the end?  I don't mind compiling stuff if there's a chance it will lead to something worthwhile.
[11:49] <sashaye> hey what are you guys talking about?
[11:49] <syockit> etfb: dunno. Try https://code.launchpad.net/~janvitus/+archive and add it to sources
[11:51] <sashaye> Are you talking about a program ?
[11:51] <syockit> etfb: btw, post your " lsmod | grep snd " output
[11:51] <syockit> sashaye: troubleshooting sound error
[11:53] <sashaye> guys I have a question
[11:53] <sashaye> I have recently changed to ubuntu
[11:53] <sashaye> and there is no sound
[11:54] <etfb> syockit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/108936/
[11:54] <syockit> talk about coincidence
[11:54] <acetoline> sashaye: was there any sound before? :p
[11:55] <syockit> etfb: ps -ef | grep pulse      and see if you have pulse running
[11:55] <sashaye> ya
[11:55] <sashaye> it was fine before
[11:56] <sashaye> but now no sound :(
[11:56] <acetoline> give specs
[11:56] <etfb> syockit: Not there.  What's pulse?
[11:56] <acetoline> model of sound card, hardware specs, etc.
[11:56] <syockit> etfb: an audio daemon. evil daemons out to cause you evil!!
[11:56] <syockit> etfb: anyways, can you try janvitus's alsa packages?
[11:57] <xanax`> i have Intrepid and i would like to install KDE 4.2 but it's not listed in synaptic... (though i added the repository)
[11:57] <sashaye> ahh
[11:57] <sashaye> 1 GB RAM
[11:58] <Aranel> is there any way to use animated wallpaper for KDE4? I saw something named "plasma animated wallpaper" but didnt get it
[11:58] <sashaye> Acer - aspire 3690
[11:58] <sashaye> 79 GB memory
[11:58] <etfb> syockit: Doing that now.  Can't remember how to put in the authentication, but it's upgrading without it, so I'll cope.
[11:59] <syockit> etfb: fyi I dont have no alsa nonsense on my PC. I wonder if it's needed?
[12:00] <syockit> it's built in to the kernel i think
[12:00] <m_tadeu> hi
[12:00] <sashaye> hi
[12:00] <sashaye> do you guys have any idea how to get the sound on this laptop
[12:00] <m_tadeu> each time I connect my camera, I can only access to the card through digikam
[12:01] <syockit> etfb: My pc's also snd_hda_intel
[12:01] <m_tadeu> the camera doesn't show in dolphin
[12:01] <sashaye> I shouldnt have switched from Windows
[12:01] <sashaye> at least everything worked
[12:01] <sashaye> the only prob with it is viruses
[12:02] <sashaye> and the way it goes slow if its not a high powered machine
[12:02] <syockit> etfb: meanwhile, can you try aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav ?
[12:02] <syockit> woops, I forgot you can't aplay if alsa-utils is not installed
[12:03] <xanax`> is KDE 4.2 going to be released in a few days ?
[12:04] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[12:05] <syockit> etfb: What's your " lspci | grep Audio "? I wanna know the device name
[12:05] <etfb> Gaaah!  If I install alsa-utils, it will UNINSTALL a bunch of stuff like the kernel, the network manager, etc etc.  Must be a broken package or something weird.
[12:05] <sashaye> ok the sound thing is still not working
[12:06] <etfb> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:06] <syockit> sashaye, like acetoline said, you need to give details of your computer
[12:07] <sashaye> ok
[12:07] <syockit> oho, mine's 82801G (ICH7 Family).
[12:07] <etfb> Still no sound, btw.  I keep feeling I should be rebooting to get this working, but that's probably my atrophied Windows instincts...
[12:07] <MetaMorfoziS> I have disk usage problem. Exactyl with sysklogd. I have put dash before every relevant line, but it's still writes disk at every minute when a cronjob runs
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> Can anybody help me? What about recompiling or upgrading to syslog-ng?
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> (under recompiling i hope there are some configure option for disk usage)
[12:08] <sashaye> Celeron M / 1.6GHz / 15.4" / 1280x800 / 70 GB / 1GB
[12:11] <etfb> sashaye: That's the Linux equivalent of a/s/l, isn't it!   Something like cpu/ghz/vdu/res/hd/ram...  Except, for trouble-shooting sound, it would be more useful to know the make and model, and anything you've found out about the sound card or chipset.
[12:11] <syockit> etfb: Btw if you still have your old alsa tools, can you try ' aplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav '?
[12:12] <etfb> syockit: I did.  No results.
[12:12] <etfb> (Oh, and I put in something other than login.wav, because that doesn't exist on my system)
[12:12] <sashaye>   Acer Aspire 3690 Notebook - Intel Celeron M 520 1.6GHz, 1GB DDR2, 70GB, 15.4" WXGA CrystalBrite, DVD-Writer, 802.11g, Ununtu LTs 8.04- I think
[12:13] <sashaye> ok then
[12:13] <syockit> etfb: and the command returns with nothing at all? it just exits like that?
[12:13] <etfb> Oh, I think it thinks it's playing, I just hear nothing.
[12:13] <sashaye> so where do I go to find out those stuff
[12:13] <syockit> I see another Acer Aspire user here with sound trouble
[12:13] <syockit> etfb: If you think it's playing, try this:  alsamixer -Dhw
[12:14] <etfb> When I first started after I installed Intrepid, the first time it tried to use knotify to play a sound, it crashed the machine, then it warned me, something about aRTS, but like a fool I didn't take note.
[12:14] <Dr_willis> I got an AcerAspireOne using EEEbuntu  - sound woks here
[12:14] <syockit> sashaye: open terminal, type in this and enter: lspci | grep Audio
[12:14] <syockit> aRTS it says!
[12:15] <etfb> syockit: Pretty DOS graphics!  Brings back memories.  What am I looking for?  Nothing significant seems to be muted.
[12:15] <syockit> oh, the blasphemy
[12:15] <etfb> syockit: A significant incantation?
[12:15] <syockit> etfb: and try the aplay thing again
[12:15] <syockit> etfb: it worked for some people. Maybe not you
[12:16] <etfb> syockit: I played a longer .wav.  It definitely sat there, thinking it was entertaining me with some exciting noises, but my ears were not fooled.
[12:17] <syockit> etfb: I can only guess there was a regression after update to 2.6.27 kernel
[12:18] <syockit> There's a bug for that, unconfirmed though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/288597 . I don't think it should belong to alsa-utils
[12:19] <sashaye> no :(
[12:19] <sashaye> it does not work
[12:20] <syockit> etfb: What codec does it use? cat /proc/asound/card*/codec\#*|grep -i codec
[12:20] <syockit> sashaye: that was for listing the hardware it uses. Please paste the output over here
[12:21] <sashaye> sashaye@sashaye-laptop:~$ lspci | grep Audio
[12:21] <sashaye> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:21] <etfb> syockit: Realtek AC889 and/or LSI ID 1040
[12:21] <etfb> (sorry, ALC889; not used to this keyboard yet)
[12:23] <syockit> don't know why they don't got ctrl-c for konversation
[12:24] <syockit> sashaye: that's the same as mine. Maybe codecs different.
[12:24] <sashaye> maybe
[12:24] <syockit> sashaye: in terminal, do : alsamixer -Dhw
[12:25] <syockit> sashaye: what audio player do you have? try amaroking something
[12:25] <sashaye> sashaye@sashaye-laptop:~$ lspci | grep Audio
[12:25] <sashaye> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[12:26] <sashaye> sorry was trying to paste something
[12:26] <sashaye> │ Card: HDA Intel                                                                                               │
[12:26] <sashaye> │ Chip: Realtek ALC883                                                                                          │
[12:26] <sashaye> │ View: [Playback] Capture  All                                                                                 │
[12:26] <sashaye> │ Item: Master [dB gain=-19.50]                                                                                 │
[12:26] <sashaye> │
[12:26] <etfb> Do I want to install pulseaudio, do you think?
[12:27] <syockit> sashaye: try playing something. confirm if sounds play or not
[12:27] <syockit> etfb: I'm guessing that pulse won't solve this one, but since you don't have one already, do try
[12:27] <syockit> and all the modules as well too
[12:28] <sashaye> Rythmbox Music player
[12:28] <etfb> Yep, seems to be doing that.  While I'm at it, how do I put that janvitus guy's OpenPGP key on my system so his stuff counts as authenticated?
[12:29] <syockit> I'm not sure about openPGP stuff, I always ignore them for launchpad ppa (bad practice :) )
[12:30] <sashaye> no sound
[12:31] <etfb> syockit: So what can pulse do for me?  Is there an equivalent of "aplay [filename]" that might work?
[12:31] <etfb> (Sorry I'm asking so many simple questions.  I've been cleaning the house all day and my brain is totally burned.  I can barely even remember how to spell Gooooogle, let alone use it.)
[12:33] <syockit> etfb: they're not trivial questions IMO. Pulse is just a sound server, I don't think it works if the driver itself is malfunctioning
[12:33] <syockit> sashaye: any sound yet?
[12:33] <sashaye> no
[12:33] <syockit> drats
[12:34] <syockit> etfb: After installing pulseaudio, you may need to restart to get it working. but don't restart now
[12:34] <etfb> OK, first principles.  That error message that mentioned aRTS or something.  Does that mean anything to you?  It seems like the driver crashed the machine, so something clever went and disabled it so it wouldn't do it again.  Can I start there?
[12:34] <syockit> etfb: try pulseaudio -D -vv
[12:35] <syockit> etfb: did you upgrade from kde3.5 ?
[12:35] <syockit> oh, I also have arts
[12:36] <syockit> etfb: wait, I forgot your ubuntu version again
[12:36] <syockit> 8.10 was it
[12:36] <etfb> Nope.  Pure install.  Bought the laptop today and it had Vista on it, which I have taken a vow by the great god Google never to touch.  I stuck the Kubuntu CD in and installed.
[12:36] <etfb> Yep, 8.10.
[12:37] <syockit> someone's on the door, brb
[12:37] <etfb> That pulseaudio line gave a lot of text about lacking privileges and operations not permitted, but finished with "Daemon startup successful".  Boy!  What does an unsuccessful start look like???
[12:39] <cjae> anyone if there are any worth while perks of running 64bit ubuntu on an amd 64 bit athalon?
[12:39] <sashaye> do you have any more ideas ?
[12:43] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[12:43] <etfb> sashaye: Let's try the blind-leading-the-blind trick here.  What make/model, linux version and sound hardware did you say you have?
[12:43] <cjae> or I guess kubuntu? there is a 32 bits version of xp on it now and it seems quite slow, was wondering if I should opt for 64 bit OS? I think I may not have that great of hardware and a 64 bit OS might just cause more headache, then again maybe the windows drivers need updating
[12:45] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: try defragging / virus scanning / spyware sacn / deleting temp files
[12:45] <sashaye> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[12:45] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: if the install is > 2 years old, I'd consider a reinstall
[12:46] <sashaye> I dont know the sound hardware
[12:46] <ActionParsnip1> sashaye: lspci will tell you
[12:46] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: I have running malwarebytes now running now but a comodo, and avast scan show nothing
[12:46] <etfb> sashaye: I think you type aplay -l at a konsole
[12:47] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: try adaware / spybot
[12:47] <syockit> I'm back!!
[12:47] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: do it in safe mode too
[12:47] <etfb> syockit: Wasn't a murderer at the door then?  I was worried you'd get stabbed to death and me and sashaye would never get our sound working!
[12:48] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: I always install spybot, the immunization part
[12:48] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: windows installs decay with time, a clean install is a great way to improve speed
[12:48] <syockit> etfb: Hehe I knew there'd be somebody with that thought when I said that. Anyways, open System Settings, go to Multimedia. What do you see listed?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: ubuntu doesnt so much
[12:49]  * etfb is so glad not to have to worry about all that spyware/virus rubbish with Linux.  Makes it worth the occasional pain.
[12:49] <sashaye> │ Card: HDA Intel                                                                                               │
[12:49] <sashaye> │ Chip: Realtek ALC883                                                                                          │
[12:49] <sashaye> │ View: [Playback] Capture  All                                                                                 │
[12:49] <sashaye> │ Item: Master [dB gain=-19.50]                                                                                 │
[12:49] <ActionParsnip1> etfb: you just have vulnerabilities in software instead
[12:49] <sashaye> │
[12:49] <syockit> sashaye: you already told it: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family)
[12:49] <sashaye> sashaye@sashaye-laptop:~$ aplay -l
[12:49] <sashaye> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[12:49] <sashaye> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]
[12:49] <sashaye>   Subdevices: 0/1
[12:49] <sashaye>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[12:50] <Tm_T> !paste | sashaye
[12:50] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: it is emachine  with an msi board andI thought msi was ok, but who knows, I don't have the devices on hand to know what to put back on after reinstall though, plus they have some restore disc that they use
[12:51] <etfb> syockit: There's no Multimedia section thre.
[12:51] <etfb> s/thre/there/
[12:51] <syockit> wheee
[12:52] <syockit> that's even weirder!
[12:52] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: i like MSI, the restore disks are fine, just helps to remove all the extra full thats left behind when you uninstall stuff
[12:52] <sashaye> I did the paste bin thing
[12:52] <sashaye> are you happy now ?
[12:52] <syockit> sashaye: post the url here
[12:53] <cjae> right but don't they just write disk images and would destroy a dual boot situation?
[12:53] <sashaye> http://paste.ubuntu.com/108950/
[12:53] <syockit> etfb: got kmix ? I'm sure you do. libarts ? sure too. I just can't figure out the missing pieces
[12:53] <etfb> sashaye: I suspect from the sheer speed of the response that Tm_T is a robot.  Don't take it personally; as soon as you pasted a lot in one go using your clipboard, it jumped on you.
[12:54] <syockit> hmm, actually the info from that pastebin was already provided
[12:55] <sashaye> ok I am tired now !!! - its best if I took the murder I was getting from windows cause this is too much.
[12:55] <etfb> syockit: I'd blow the install away and reinstall, except it took over two hours to download the upgrades after I did it...
[12:55] <syockit> etfb: I suspect libarts crashing causes the multimedia section to disappear
[12:55] <syockit> etfb: no, you don't have to
[12:55] <Tm_T> etfb: I am no robot, but I am semigod
[12:56] <etfb> sashaye: Naah, don't give up on it.  With Linux, the problems only happen when you upgrade.  With Windoze, they're eternal.
[12:56] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: i doubt it
[12:56] <Tm_T> sashaye: it's not about me being happy, it's about keeping this channel usable, nothing personal (:
[12:56] <syockit> etfb: what, you mean it was working with live CD?
[12:56] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: thats the problem with branded garbage, they give restore cds which ruin systems if you do anything smart with your pc
[12:56] <etfb> Tm_T: Ah, that seems fair enough.  Don't suppose you have the divine power to repair sound cards?
[12:56] <sashaye> Its 4:56 in the morning
[12:57] <Tm_T> etfb: no, not really
[12:57] <sashaye> I'm tired
[12:57] <etfb> syockit: I didn't even try the live CD, but I might give it a whirl.
[12:57] <sashaye> going to bed
[12:57] <sashaye> and switch to windows at noon this is too much
[12:57] <etfb> sashaye: G'night.  Maybe it'll look better in the morning.  I certainly hope so in my case...
[12:58] <sashaye> etfb: good luck
[12:58] <etfb> OK, will try to see if things work with the Live CD.  If they do, it's definitely a regression in a more recent version of... something.  If not, it's a hardware prob with the machine itself.
[12:59] <etfb> Either way, I appear to have bought the world's first deaf-people's multimedia laptop.  <sigh>
[13:00] <Aison> hmm, added some openoffice overlay from launchpad
[13:00] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: would you say 64 bit buntu?
[13:00] <Aison> how do I add the gpg key? I cant update
[13:00] <Aison> ah, found the key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD2BB86E0EBD0F0A43D4DB3A760D11217247D1CFF&op=index
[13:00] <etfb> THanks syockit.  See you around, if I don't just go to sleep instead.
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: what about it?
[13:01] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: cause 32 bit will run just fine, I am just wondering  if I should not opt for 64 bit to save headache?
[13:02] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: what do you use your system for?
[13:03] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: the normal desktop sernario - surf, download, burn, media, email, crackbook - not my system though, but thats what they use it for
[13:03] <JackWinter> i just tried to install vmware server on my kubuntu 8.04.  installed fine, but my networking didn't work after the first reboot.  removed vmware and tried booting again, no change.  now when i boot the eth1 interface is up, but has no ip configured.  if i use the kde applet to down and then resstart it, then networking works again.  any idea where i should look ?
[13:03] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: then 64bit wont give you anything really
[13:03] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: he fixed my truck I fix his computer
[13:04] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: speed boost?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: not really, not for such activity
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: try it, see how it flys
[13:05] <cjae> do have enough time to do both his g/f is heading back home before him and she needs it for work and university
[13:05] <cjae> dont
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: then go with what you KNOW works
[13:07] <cjae> ActionParsnip1: kay thanks
[13:07] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: if time is pressing, go with a garunteed win
[13:08] <Aison> somehow apt-get update fails on deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/ubuntu intrepid main
[13:08] <Aison> do anybody else have got the problem?
[13:08] <WishingMaster> yes me too
[13:09] <cjae> used 63 bit buntu on an amd a while agon and it seemed to run fine, but there was always the lag in updates and pakages
[13:09] <WishingMaster> but i think its normal
[13:09] <cjae> s/63/64
[13:09] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: then call it dude
[13:09] <syockit> missing 1 bit won't hurt ;)
[13:09] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: make a move]
[13:10] <cjae> waiting on windows scans, thanks for the help
[13:10] <cjae> love the handle btw ActionParsnip1
[13:10] <cjae> lol
[13:12] <ActionParsnip1> cjae: its a harry hill joke
[13:21] <slow-motion> hi
[13:22] <ActionParsnip1> !hi | slow-motion
[13:26] <derjens> hi everyone
[13:26] <derjens> a friend of mine needs immediate help:) of course he just called me. maybe you can give me a hint
[13:27] <derjens> how to disable desktop effects via text console?
[13:27] <derjens> i guess it's in .kde/share/config/...
[13:27] <derjens> but i have no clue in which file
[13:27] <derjens> what is the program called that runs all the effects?
[13:28] <derjens> i just know compiz and aiglx but as far as i know kde4 implements all of that itself
[13:28] <faileas> kwin
[13:28] <faileas> though what you see is plasma
[13:29] <syockit> derjens: .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[13:29] <syockit> disable compositing... woops, wrong effect
[13:29] <derjens> syockit, knowing the right name if had just found the file myself
[13:29] <derjens> syockit, i first thought of compositing=0 myself
[13:30] <derjens> what do you mean by "woops, wrong effect"?
[13:31] <syockit> it just disables compositing
[13:31] <derjens> ok
[13:31] <syockit> oh, that would disable some desktop effects I guess
[13:32] <derjens> of course
[13:32] <derjens> thats what i want
[13:32] <syockit> derjens: under [Compositing], enabled=false
[13:36] <derjens> syockit, i have found it. thanks for your help
[13:37] <raphael_> hi
[13:49] <khalidmian> looking for help re 2 things 1st being config of nvidia x server setting - cant save  the config to x11.con-but can connect to tv
[13:49] <ActionParsnip1> khalidmian: you need to run kdesudo nvidia-settings
[13:49] <khalidmian> 2nd being at put up to kubuntu at times everything goes ok but get flashing cap lock/scroll lock and doesnt boot into login area
[13:54] <abeen> hi, need help with removing the password prompt after resume from suspend pls
[13:54] <ActionParsnip1> !suspend
[13:58] <ley> Hello
[13:58] <ley> Is anyone here?
[13:58] <ley> tomorrow is chinese spring fastvail.is anyone comes from china?
[13:59] <Wishing_> hi
[13:59] <ley> hi
[14:00] <ley> how did you install your kubuntu?
[14:00] <ley> I've installed it on ubuntu, after that, i removed gnome.
[14:01] <ley> can i get free kubuntu cd?
[14:01] <estan> hey. i've began running KDE from trunk instead, for shits and giggles.. however the KDE3 knetworkmanager installed by kubuntu is launched automatically no matter what i do.. anyone knows how to prevent this permanently? (i want to do the same for the adept update notifier).
[14:02] <estan> are there any system wide .desktop files or something for these things that make them launch automatically?
[14:02] <Wishing_> remove it from startup
[14:03] <estan> Wishing_: that's what i'm trying to do.. but where exactly is "startup"?
[14:03] <Wishing_> in system tools
[14:04] <Wishing_> there is an icon for startup under Advanced Tab
[14:05] <estan> WishingMaster: hm. i have System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Autostart.. but there's nothing there..
[14:06] <WishingMaster> estan, in that case tell me what are your options
[14:06] <estan> WishingMaster: in the Autostart module in System Settings?
[14:07] <WishingMaster> overall / all
[14:07] <estan> in all of System Settings?
[14:07] <WishingMaster> yes es,
[14:07] <estan> there's a Service Manager there too, but i don't think that's it..
[14:07] <WishingMaster> no its not
[14:08] <WishingMaster> what about session or startup
[14:09] <estan> there's something called Session Manager, but it doesn't allow me to configure and autostarted applets..
[14:09] <estan> maybe i need to login to KDE 4.1 session instead, and use the kubuntu packaged KDE instead to turn this off.. then switch back to my KDE trunk install..
[14:10] <WishingMaster> well is the session manager locked/grayed out?
[14:10] <estan> no, it's not grayed out, i can change stuff there.. but there's nothing about autostarted applets there.
[14:11] <estan> i think it's a bit weird that these things are started by default in my KDE trunk installation, because for that i'm using ~/.kde-trunk as my KDEDIR.
[14:11] <estan> which is why i'm thinking this is some kind of system-wide kubuntu default to start these applets.
[14:12] <estan> i see now that there's a /usr/share/autostart..
[14:12] <WishingMaster> it could be
[14:12] <estan> with .desktop files in it.
[14:13] <estan> but it doesn't have e.g. the knetworkmanager applet .desktop file.. and that is started automatically.
[14:14] <xprob> Quick problem. If somebody could help I'd apreciate. Searched net, no luck. Here goes: native resolution for computer screen is 1024x600, but on kde4 can only choose between 800x600 and 640x480.
[14:15] <WishingMaster> well its a driver issue xp,
[14:16] <estan> i'm looking also at my plasma-appletsrc, but it only has entries for the knetworkmanager that i want to be started (the only from KDE SVN), and not for the KDE3 one..
[14:17] <xprob> xorg.conf has under section "Screen" subsection "Display" the line: 'Modes "1024x600" "800x600" "640x480".
[14:17] <WishingMaster> well thats a bit tricky, i think you need to contact someone who has better understanding on this matter
[14:18] <WishingMaster> well try to contact ActionParsnip1 for this
[14:18] <WishingMaster> xp ,
[14:19] <ActionParsnip1> WishingMaster: xp support is in ##windows
[14:19] <estan> WishingMaster: ah, i think i've found the .desktop files that start these things, they're in /etc/xdg/autostart.
[14:19] <WishingMaster> wow
[14:19] <estan> which i guess is an XDG standard, so my KDE trunk starts it too.
[14:19] <WishingMaster> thats gr8
[14:20] <WishingMaster> hmmmmmm
[14:20] <estan> yea, going to try it now.
[14:20] <WishingMaster> estan, go for it
[14:20] <estan> i wonder if i can configure my KDE trunk session to not care about these files instead.. because i still want my KDE 4.1 session to use them.
[14:21] <estan> probably not possible..
[14:21] <WishingMaster> nope
[14:21] <estan> i could move them to my ~/.kde/Autostart i guess.
[14:21] <estan> (which is used by KDE 4.1 but not my trunk installation).
[14:21] <WishingMaster> if u make changes here they will be reflected there as well
[14:21] <ActionParsnip1> estan: true, thatd stop kde running it at startup
[14:22] <WishingMaster> yeah
[14:24] <estan> yep. that worked fine.
[14:24]  * estan happy.
[14:25] <WishingMaster> yeah:)
[14:25] <estan> by the way, anyone know how kubuntu will behave when it finds those files are gone from /etc/xdg/autostart? i mean when the package that installed them are updated..
[14:26] <WishingMaster> i think it will rebuild the files
[14:27] <estan> WishingMaster: okay, i'll just keep an eye out for that then.
[14:28] <nahy> hi
[14:29] <WishingMaster> what client are you using for this chat estan
[14:29] <nahy> i'm experiencing a very bad problem with removing some packages
[14:29] <estan> WishingMaster: screen+irssi.
[14:29] <WishingMaster> hmmm
[14:30] <estan> something that looks weird?
[14:30] <WishingMaster> i am trying to use pidgin,it is not taking my details
[14:30] <WishingMaster> have you used it?
[14:30] <estan> only briefly once when i was trying to use its SILC plugin..
[14:31] <WishingMaster> hmmmm
[14:31] <estan> i've been using screen+irssi for almost ten years, so i'm not likely to change ;)
[14:31] <nahy> for example when i want to remove gnome by "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" it encounters some errors
[14:31] <estan> when i found that there's a SILC plugin for irssi too, i just stuck with that.
[14:31] <WishingMaster> kool
[14:31] <WishingMaster> what kind of problems are u facing nahy
[14:32] <estan> maybe you should try Quassel, i've heard good things about it. it's an IRC client written using Qt.
[14:32] <nahy> they cannot be remove
[14:32] <WishingMaster> well i woudl be using Konversation in next few days
[14:32] <WishingMaster> did u try to purge
[14:32] <WishingMaster> nahy,
[14:32] <nahy> no
[14:32] <ActionParsnip1> nahy: that is a hollow metapackage
[14:32] <estan> okay. yea i like Konversation.. it's just that there's no KDE4 version of it yet i think.
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> nahy: if you want to remove gnome try !purekde
[14:33] <WishingMaster> there is bro estan
[14:33] <WishingMaster> i have used it in kde4
[14:33] <estan> WishingMaster: oh that's great news.
[14:33] <nahy> what is the exact command?
[14:33] <estan> yea, i know that you can use the KDE3 version in KDE4 of course, but is there really a version of Konversation written using the KDE4 libraries yet?
[14:34] <estan> i know there wasn't a few months ago.
[14:34] <WishingMaster> well there is now
[14:34] <estan> okay. cool.
[14:34] <estan> things move fast ,)
[14:34] <estan> s/,/;/
[14:34] <estan> i must say KDE trunk is working great on my laptop, 4.2 is going to be so much better than 4.1
[14:35] <WishingMaster> sure
[14:35] <WishingMaster> it would be
[14:35] <nahy> ActionParsnip1:what is the exact command?
[14:35] <estan> !purekde
[14:36]  * estan food. bbl.
[14:36] <estan> thx for the tips WishingMaster.
[14:36] <WishingMaster> well it was my pleasure
[14:37] <nahy> un pure kde it says use this command: "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop"!!!!!
[14:38] <estan> nahy: hm. okay but could you paste the errors that you get when you run that command somewhere?
[14:38] <Gr0m> hello
[14:38] <estan> nahy: e.g. on dpaste.com or rafb.net/paste
[14:38] <nahy> ok i'll do
[14:38] <Gr0m> can I install KDE 4.2 from repo in Jaunty now?
[14:38] <estan> and someone in here can maybe give advice.. i need to make food now.
[14:39] <WishingMaster> sure bro enjoy ur meal
[14:43] <WishingMaster> well i will take a 10 min break so see u guys after that
[14:45] <angel> hi
[14:46] <Amelie1973> hello everyone
[14:46] <Amelie1973> i need help
[14:46] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | Amelie1973
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> !jaunty | Gr0m
[14:47] <Amelie1973> my screen resolution only detects 800x600
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> Amelie1973: ok, what video card do you have?
[14:47] <Amelie1973> and I need bigger resolutions
[14:47] <Amelie1973> hold on
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> Amelie1973: lspci | grep -i vga
[14:47] <nahy> estan: when i go to the webpage dpaste, what should i do?
[14:48] <Amelie1973> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6150SE nForce 430(rev a2)
[14:48] <Amelie1973> that's my screen resolution
[14:48] <nahy> estan: should i enter your address or something?
[14:48] <Amelie1973> sorry i mean my video card
[14:49] <estan> nahy: no, enter your own.
[14:49] <estan> you don't have to enter an e-mail if you don't want to, just write your nick.
[14:49] <estan> and cut and paste the errors you get into the big text area and click "Paste it".
[14:49] <nahy> i pasted the error then?
[14:50] <estan> then you'll get an address you can paste here in the channel, and we can check the errors.
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> Amelie1973: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-173 nvidia-settings nvidia-173-kernel-source
[14:50] <nahy> just click on PASTE botton?
[14:50] <estan> nahy: yes, after you have pasted the error in the big text area.
[14:50] <nahy> http://dpaste.com/112488/
[14:52] <estan> nahy: i see you're getting a Segmentation fault. that's a pretty bad error, it could indicate a bug in the package system or even bad RAM memory.
[14:52] <estan> nahy: not sure how to help you here, try some googling to see if anyone has had the same problem. or check the debian bug tracking system and see if anyone has filed a bug for this..
[14:52] <nahy> so is it going to be fixed or not?
[14:53] <nahy> how can i find debian bug tracking system>?
[14:53] <estan> nahy: i have no idea, i don't even know if it's reported yet or what the reason is. it could be bad RAM too.
[14:53] <estan> nahy: google.
[14:54] <estan> or just file a bug on launchpad.
[14:54] <nahy> ok dear friend and how is the bug reporting process
[14:55] <estan> well, include the same text that you pasted, and write what command you used, what kubuntu version et.c.
[14:55] <nahy> thank you anyway!
[14:55] <estan> there should be guidelines for bug reporting at launchpad i guess.
[14:58] <estan> no problem, sorry i couldn't help you more. good luck with the bug reporting.
[15:03] <estan> anyone know why kubuntu registers a lot of windows-specific settings such at the default initial size for ktorrent et.c.?
[15:04] <estan> it makes my ktorrent always appear as 800x600 when minimized to tray and brought up again.
[15:04] <estan> so i always remove these settings.. anyone know why they're there in the first place?
[15:09] <CruX|> hello all, I just updated my system to kbuntu 8.10, and i have problem with my keyboard. I set my keyboard rate with "xset r rate 200 70". All keys are working with exception of downarrow and leftarrow - wait delay is much bigger than 200 ms. What's wrong ? on kubuntu 8.04 it worked.
[15:10] <angel> please help
[15:10] <angel> can't configure the xserver!
[15:10] <angel>  my biggest resolution is 800 x 6600
[15:10] <angel> x 600
[15:13] <Amelie1973> :(
[15:17] <PodeCoet> Hello, I have 4GB of RAM installed and can't address all of it under 32bit kubuntu, so I was thinking of reinstalling the 64bit version. Are there any major issues I should know about?
[15:17] <CruX|> some apps like flash and skype are 32 bit oly
[15:18] <CruX|> there can be a problems
[15:19] <MalikLamin> hi guys, does anybody know any linux driver development chanel
[15:19] <MalikLamin> ???
[15:23] <PodeCoet> So its just minor apps though right?
[15:24] <Goan> MalikLamin, you can ask a generic qn at #kubuntu-devel
[15:24] <MalikLamin> ok
[15:26] <jose> olaaaaaaaa
[15:26] <MalikLamin> jose, oi
[15:33] <aaron_> hola buenas
[15:34] <aaron_> alguien me puede ayudar a instalar una webcam integrada en un portatil asus
[15:34] <aaron_> de marca syntek?
[15:40] <emanuel_> oi
[15:43] <khalidmian> sh: pkg-config: not found any help
[15:46] <khalidmian> whilst configuring tv as second monitor under kdesudo nvidia setting i get this : sh: pkg-config: not found
[15:46] <epimeth> anybody using RC1?
[15:50] <dwidmann> epimeth: me
[16:02] <atrox_> Hi, I was just wondering... would kubuntu be a good choice for a first time linux user?
[16:05] <MalikLamin> atrox, if you're a dedicated guy, who likes learning about the sistem I'd say go ahead
[16:05] <SDFE> not much to learn in kubuntu
[16:05] <MalikLamin> any linux system requires from the beginers a bit of dedication
[16:06] <atrox_> Dedication is not a problem
[16:06] <MalikLamin> so that you learn the essentials of the it
[16:06] <atrox_> I didnt want to jump in straight at the deep end, with something like arch
[16:06] <SDFE> kubuntu is the easyest most user friendly distro
[16:06] <SDFE> if you want something hard, just pop in a fedora cd
[16:06] <atrox_> like I said, I didnt want to jump straight in at the deep end
[16:07] <SDFE> kubuntu then, its also the closes system to doing everything windows can..if you are a windows user atm
[16:07] <SDFE> kubuntu+wine owns
[16:07] <atrox_> 8.10, is that still a stable version?
[16:07] <SDFE> plus you have #kubuntu
[16:07] <SDFE> not sure, i haven't used kubuntu in while..lol
[16:08] <MalikLamin> great, go ahead, kubuntu will find and install most of your device drivers, but even it is important you figure out about how to do the things work smoothly
[16:08] <Tm_T> atrox_: ofcourse is stable, how wouldn't it
[16:08] <SDFE> !kubuntu
[16:08] <atrox_> Tm_T, stable I think was the wrong word...;
[16:08] <Goan> Hello. Has anyone seen this before?
[16:08] <SDFE> i have a like 5.10 cd of kubuntu
[16:08] <Goan> Running libtoolize...done.
[16:08] <Goan> Running aclocal...failed.
[16:08] <SDFE> o0
[16:08] <lovre> hi all
[16:09] <atrox_> I really like the look of the XFCE window manager, would that be a pain to install?
[16:09] <SDFE> !XFCE
[16:09] <MalikLamin> aptitude instal xfce
[16:09] <MalikLamin> just that
[16:09] <lovre> where do i configure download folder for skype (transfer file)? It allways saves to ~/ but i want to change that. dont see it in options..
[16:09] <lovre> ?
[16:09] <atrox_> thank you guys, you're a great help
[16:10] <SDFE> atrox_ if you use kubuntu open an irc client and idle here, there is always people to help
[16:10] <khalidmian> whilst configuring tv as second monitor under kdesudo nvidia setting i get this : sh: pkg-config: not found
[16:10] <khalidmian> any sugesstions/help?
[16:11] <atrox_> Thanks SDFE.
[16:11] <SDFE> when i was new to kubuntu...all 4 times.....i came here and got help
[16:11] <SDFE> came in 02 04 06 and 07
[16:11] <SDFE> lol
[16:11] <atrox_> heh
[16:11] <Tm_T> SDFE: what are those?
[16:11] <SDFE> what is the primary use for this kubuntu pc?
[16:12] <SDFE> years
[16:12] <SDFE> 2002 2004 2006 2007
[16:12] <SDFE> i tried kubuntu those years for ahwile
[16:12] <Tm_T> SDFE: there were no Kubuntu before 2005
[16:12] <SDFE> been watching the progress in a general manner
[16:12] <SDFE> then ubuntu?
[16:12] <Tm_T> no, Ubuntu started late 2004
[16:12] <SDFE> hrm
[16:13] <SDFE> maby it wasn't ubuntu then
[16:13] <SDFE> knoppix maby?
[16:13] <SDFE> i know i tried something in 02
[16:13] <Tm_T> SDFE: and thats totally different then =)
[16:13] <SDFE> well anyways, point is, i got help each time
[16:13] <SDFE> but my advice don't go into #debian
[16:13] <SDFE> lol
[16:20] <epimeth> whats wrong with #debian?
[16:20] <SDFE> asshole nation
[16:20] <Tm_T> SDFE: watch your language
[16:21] <Tm_T> epimeth: just not ubuntu support channel, other is irrelevant here
[16:30] <epimeth> SDFE: its attitude like that that will get them to act in kind, you know....
[16:33] <cichy> Hi, I have two languages installed in Kubuntu (KDE 4.1) - english and polish - and despite that in regional settings english is selected as system language, in console I have polish. Anybody can help?
[16:34] <ppoeelo99> is there a way to unwind a previously made update because since then my system crashes
[16:34] <cichy> in konsole $LANG is set to en, but $LANGUAGE to pl
[16:40] <gartral> where can i get the v4l package? my webcam wont work
[16:41] <altrortla> hello .... i got some problem with my LAN configuration... this is a strange situation
[16:42] <altrortla> i have a LAN in which 192.168.0.1 give it Internet access....
[16:42] <rudolf> hi can u help me plz. my screen flares
[16:42] <cjae> what is a nice kde 4.2 search utility?
[16:43] <altrortla> in a point of that LAN there's a PC that haven't a Port to connect to internet... so I have decited to conntect it to the nearest PC that have 2 ETH0
[16:44] <altrortla> the last PC is a kubuntu
[16:44] <altrortla> Lan is abled
[16:44] <KDesk> hi
[16:44] <altrortla> but it won't to connect
[16:44] <altrortla> hi
[16:44] <KDesk> Where is the user's config of alsa saved? Like the mixer volume.
[16:49] <Walzmyn> I'm trying to copy files from one external HDD to another, but keep getting told the file cannot be created. Why is this?
[16:50] <cichy> does anyone know where $LANGUAGE variable is set in kubuntu? my .bashrc does not set it, and /etc/environment has LANGUAGE="en_US:en", but when I start console under KDE this is changed to pl. When logging into shell by tty, everything is ok....
[16:50] <Goan> I am trying to make install ... and getting this error
[16:50] <Goan>  /bin/bash ../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c  'libguththila.la' '/home/dilipgarg/wsfc/lib/libguththila.la'
[16:50] <Goan> libtool: install: error: cannot install `libguththila.la' to a directory not ending in /home/dilipgarg//lib
[16:51] <Goan> is there anyway that I can fix this?
[16:53] <matias> Hola
[16:53] <matias> Todo tranquilo?
[16:53] <jhunold> !es
[16:53] <matias> ok
[16:54] <marko__> hello, what is the good audio cd burner program that has normalization option ?
[16:57] <mefisto__> marko__: k3b
[16:58] <tyler_d> looking to set up wireless card on a satellite r10
[16:58] <tyler_d> I have it working in gnome
[17:00] <BluesKaj> howdy
[17:01] <tyler_d>  
[17:01] <Makuseru> Are there any good multimedia(both audio and video) converters in Kubuntu?
[17:01] <mefisto__> Makuseru: vlc makes it easy
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Makuseru  , ffmpeg if you don't mind using the cli
[17:02] <KDesk> Makuseru: soundkonverter
[17:02] <coreymon77> personally, i prefer just finding ways to get the players i already have on my computer to play the formats
[17:02] <Makuseru> BluesKaj: I'm looking for something with a GUI.
[17:02] <mefisto__> Makuseru: in vlc, file menu, Wizard...
[17:03] <KDesk> can vlc transforme videos?
[17:03] <Makuseru> mefisto__: i didnt even know that vlc converted things.
[17:03] <mefisto__> vlc can transcode any file that it can play
[17:04] <marko__> does anyone what what is the good cd burner that supports normalization when burning audio cd ?
[17:04] <mefisto__> including streams
[17:04] <BluesKaj> VLC is for ppl who have alot of patience and are willing to spend time figuring out how it works , due to the many options a real commitment is required
[17:05] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I've never touched vlc settings. I use it when I'm feeling impatient and want something done quickly
[17:05] <Walzmyn> I'm trying to copy files from one external HDD to another, but keep getting told the file cannot be created. Why is this?
[17:07] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: do you have permission to write to the location?
[17:08] <pidus> i am using kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.1 and many applications such as amarok and konquerer do not show the top menu bar...so i cannot change preferences in any of them..does anybody know a fix to it?
[17:09] <SSJ_GZ> pidus: Try pressing CTRL+M
[17:09] <pidus> SSJ_GZ: i've already tried it..but without any effect
[17:10] <SSJ_GZ> pidus: Very strange.  I'm out of ideas then :/
[17:10] <pidus> can it possibly be a windows display setting that i have inadvertently changed?
[17:11] <mefisto__> pidus: how long has this been happening?
[17:11] <pidus> mefisto__: since a long long time...but am not sure if it's been there since the time i installed kubuntu 8.10
[17:12] <SSJ_GZ> pidus: Which version of Konqueror is it? (KDE3 or KDE4) ?
[17:12] <pidus> 4
[17:13] <bubba> hi, how can I locate a program in the filesystem?
[17:13] <mefisto__> pidus: first thing I would do is log out and do a console login, then mv ~/.kde to ~/.kde.backup then log in to kde and see if the problem persists
[17:13] <pidus> mefisto__: i can try that..
[17:14] <pidus> i'll be right back
[17:14] <pidus> should i put kde4 to backup or kde?
[17:15] <pidus> i have two folders...it might be because i upgraded from kde 3.5
[17:15] <mefisto__> pidus: what are you using now? 8.10 with kde4 or 8.04 ?
[17:16] <pidus> 8.10 with kde4
[17:17] <mefisto__> pidus: it should be .kde then. The .kde4 folder would be from 8.04 with both kde3 and kde4 installed
[17:17] <pidus> oh ok
[17:18] <mefisto__> bubba: whereis <programname>
[17:19] <bubba> mefisto__, great command! thanks
[17:21] <marko__> How do i update brasero on kubuntu ?
[17:27] <mefisto__> marko__: if it is installed, "sudo apt-get update" will find any available updates, and "sudo apt-get upgrade" will install the updates it finds
[17:29]  * cjae must have made some ppl mad on this channel
[17:29] <gartral> him and there was another that i thought should have been kicked
[17:29] <marko__> thank you mefisto !
[17:30] <smithy_> guesswutguiez
[17:30] <Walzmyn> mefisto__, sorry, i got pulled away. I opened dolphin as a super user and the destination is fat32 - i should have premission
[17:31] <Makuseru> How can I install a .deb from the terminal?
[17:32] <KDesk> Makuseru: with dpkg -i archive.deb
[17:32] <Makuseru> Thankis.
[17:32] <KDesk> Makuseru: ..with sudo.. or with: sudo gdebi archive.deb
[17:32] <KDesk> gdebi also installs the dependencies
[17:33] <KDesk> but the package manager is dpkg
[17:33] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: how is that fat32 partition mounted? fstab?
[17:34] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: can you create any kind of file on the partition?
[17:35] <kaddi> heya, could someone please tell me the shell command for listing the open internet connections
[17:37] <Walzmyn> mefisto__, it's though USB and it's creating directories but not the actual files
[17:39] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: so it automounts when you connect it through usb?
[17:39] <Walzmyn> mefisto__, yes
[17:42] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: if you do the "mount" command it should tell you if it's mounted rw or ro
[17:42] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: if it's ro, it may be that there are filesystem errors that need to be checked with windows
[17:42] <elvira> HOLA ALGUIEN QUE ME AYUDE CON ALGO TECNICOOOOO
[17:43] <Walzmyn> mefisto__, RW
[17:43] <elvira> holaaaaaa
[17:43] <elvira> holaa
[17:44] <elvira> hola
[17:44] <kaddi> !es
[17:44] <elvira> hoa
[17:44] <mefisto__> Walzmyn: what other options did mount show for that partition?
[17:45] <Walzmyn> mef
[17:45] <Walzmyn> mefisto__, rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower
[17:46] <elvira> hello, i need you
[17:46] <Walzmyn> elvira, just ask a question
[17:47] <elvira> i dont speak english, but i need to put wxp, in my pc
[17:48] <Walzmyn> !es | elvira
[17:48] <elvira> please,
[17:48] <cjae> I have searched adept for a desktop search that has a nice gui, where is strgi? and I see one that just has search for a name any good
[17:49] <Walzmyn> cjae, strgi should have been installed when you installed the distro
[17:50] <cjae> Walzmyn: not here, maybe its just not in the kmenu
[17:50] <cjae> Walzmyn: I am using kde 4.2
[17:50] <Walzmyn> cjae, ah, i'm on 8.04, that might be the difference
[17:50] <cjae> !strigi
[17:51] <tyler_d> need some help getting wifi working with secured wireless networks
[17:51] <Walzmyn> cjae, hit alt+F2 and type it in
[17:51] <cjae> well there it is, my appolgizes I am very new to kde
[17:52] <elvira> como puedo ver mi cam, si no es compatible con linux???
[17:52] <Goan> I am trying to look for libxml and libxslt packages.. does anyone know of a tutorial
[17:54] <Walzmyn> OK. I've fooled around with this external harddrive some more. I can move an individual file, but I cannot move a bunch at once.
[17:54] <cjae> Walzmyn: ok everytime I launch it, it just lets me configure it
[17:58] <Walzmyn> cjae, i've never used it, don't ask me
[17:59] <mefisto__> cjae: launch what?
[17:59] <WishingMaster> Walezmyn: is there a software on the drive like a backup software?
[18:00] <WishingMaster> given my drive mnfr
[18:00] <WishingMaster> *by
[18:01] <Walzmyn> WishingMaster, it's band new and just formated
[18:02] <cjae> mefisto__: strigi
[18:02] <Walzmyn> WishingMaster, well, not brand new. it's the old one out of this laptop. Put a bigger one in and stuck the old one in an enclouser
[18:02] <WishingMaster> Walzmyn so what kind of config is asked?
[18:02] <Walzmyn> WishingMaster, config?
[18:02] <WishingMaster> what configuration are asked?
[18:03] <Walzmyn> WishingMaster, none, i just plug it in and it mounts
[18:03] <WishingMaster> ok
[18:03] <Walzmyn> I gotta go eat lunch. back later
[18:03] <WishingMaster> so when u plug it in and try to send data to it what happens?
[18:05] <mefisto__> WishingMaster: nothing is written, but it is mounted rw
[18:05] <mefisto__> WishingMaster: it's automounted with these options: rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower
[18:06] <mefisto__> WishingMaster: maybe that uid=1000 is to blame
[18:06] <WishingMaster> what is your uid?
[18:07] <MinasTee> test
[18:07] <MinasTee> ups
[18:07] <WishingMaster> have you tried it when logged in as ROOT?
[18:08] <lenznzer_> hi
[18:08] <MinasTee> hi lenznzer
[18:08] <mefisto__> WishingMaster: if this usb drive has an fstab entry, will HAL use that when it automounts? or does the automount ignore fstab?
[18:08] <root> Hi ..
[18:09] <WishingMaster> thats tricky
[18:09] <bryan_> i just wanted to say thank you to the ubutnu and kubuntu developers!
[18:09] <WishingMaster> i think
[18:09] <WishingMaster> it would be ignored
[18:10] <root> Holaa!
[18:10] <root> =)
[18:10] <jussi01> WishingMaster: we dont log in as root, we use sudo. please be carefult with that ;)
[18:11] <WishingMaster> sure i would be
[18:11] <WishingMaster> thanks jussi01
[18:12] <root> ???
[18:12] <root> No soy un virus! ='(
[18:12] <kaddi> !es
[18:12] <pidus> mefisto__: that did help..though a lot seems to be changed in this new session
[18:12] <mefisto__> pidus: so the menubars are back?
[18:13] <pidus> yes they are
[18:13] <pidus> :-) thanks
[18:13] <pidus> though initially when i logged back in..there were 2 application launchers available
[18:14] <pidus> which looked strange
[18:14] <mefisto__> pidus: well that tells us that SOMETHING in your original .kde is the problem. it's up to you whether you want to try tracking it down, or just continue with the new .kde and all new settings
[18:15] <pidus> mefisto__: ok cool!..i'll see if this troubles me in any way...thanks for this though :-)...can you help in with one more thing.
[18:17] <pidus> kubuntu 8.04 had this simple 'available processes' option in system settings...i don't seem to find it in 8.10
[18:17] <pidus> how can i find something similar?
[18:18] <mefisto__> pidus: what does it do? I'm not sure what you're referring to
[18:18] <pidus> it showed stuff like apache server/mysql and one could enable/disable those processes
[18:19] <pidus> *err i meant services
[18:20] <mefisto__> pidus: service manager? (in systemsettings, advanced tab)
[18:21] <pidus> here it shows only the kde services
[18:31] <pidus> mefisto__: is my observation incorrect
[18:32] <mefisto__> pidus: yeah it looks like another one of those kde4 shortcomings
[18:33] <mefisto__> kde3.5 systemsettings has both service manager and system services, but system services is not there in kde4
[18:33] <pidus> so how can i have a look at the running services from konsole...as i don't know how MTA got installed on my machine
[18:34] <mefisto__> pidus: don't know, sorry
[18:34] <pidus> no probs
[18:46] <pidus> isn't ufw supposed to automatically start on kubuntu 8.10 but my machine shows status not loaded
[18:50] <Tm_T> pidus: if it has no rules, it's not used
[18:51] <pidus> Tm_T: but should it be there?
[18:51] <kon> I'm sure you guys get this question at least 10 times a week, but here it goes.
[18:51] <kon> What is the main difference between ubuntu and kubuntu ?
[18:52] <Tm_T> pidus: be where? running? no, shouldn't
[18:52] <Tm_T> kon: different set of default applications
[18:52] <Tm_T> kon: biggest one is GNOME vs KDE
[18:52] <kon> Tm_T: I did notice that.
[18:52] <gartral1> mainly, besides the gui environment, the sound engine
[18:52] <Tm_T> gartral1: no, not really
[18:53] <kon> So what do you suggest i install for this pc i have here? Can i display my system info?
[18:53] <kon> Its a small 1line script
[18:53] <Tm_T> kon: how about try them both and use which you like more
[18:53] <gartral1> well, as far as I'VE seen... but im basically helping my friend with his system, not activly using it for what i would do
[18:54] <kon> I use ubuntu and its great. But i recently installed kubuntu on my macbook pro, and i have to say, its a way better interface than ubuntu default.
[18:54] <pidus> Tm_T: oh ok..i thought it's the default firewall...but i guess iptables does the job (i might be completely wrong!)
[18:55] <Tm_T> pidus: well ufw is just a frontend for iptables
[18:55] <kon> This is an old pentium 4 (non-ht) 1.8ghz 512GB sdram with on board video and audio.
[18:56] <Tm_T> kon: both works, use the one you like more (:
[18:56] <kon> :)
[18:56] <kon> Lets go with kubuntu :D
[18:56] <pidus> Tm_T: gufw is front end of ufw
[18:56] <Tm_T> pidus: I know, and ufw is frontend of iptables
[18:57] <pidus> Tm_T: sigh...oh ok
[18:57] <Tm_T> pidus: matter of layers that is
[18:57] <pidus> Tm_T: ok
[18:58] <Adola> Hey!  Could someone help me set up "eggdrop
[18:58] <Adola> "
[18:59] <gartral1> i use ubuntu on most sytems, xubuntu on ones that wont run ubumtu, and zenwalk for ones that wont run xubuntu
[18:59] <Tm_T> gartral1: heh, I run KDE4 even in my 128 MiB ram system
[19:00] <mefisto__> Tm_T: that's impressive
[19:00] <Tm_T> its only matter of configuration
[19:01] <gartral1> MiB or MB? there is a difference, and i havent ever seen any xxMiB ram
[19:01] <Tm_T> gartral1: MiB as SI standrard says
[19:01] <Tm_T> -r
[19:01] <Tm_T> gartral1: MB is 1000x and MiB is 1024(ish)
[19:03] <gartral1> yep
[19:03] <pakus> Hiya.
[19:03] <mefisto__> Tm_T: what size swap partition? I've been trying to make an old 128mb laptop more useable
[19:04] <pakus> I've installed kubuntu 8.10 with encrypted home dirs. Is there any way to use non-encrypted homes without reinstalling?
[19:04] <Tm_T> mefisto__: whatever is needed, currently it's 2x ram but hardly used, broken HD so swapping means death
[19:05] <mefisto__> Tm_T: hardly used with just 120mb ram? how?
[19:05] <mefisto__> *128
[19:05] <Tm_T> mefisto__: I just avoid doing stuff that can hog ram without a reason
[19:06] <Tm_T> pakus: hmm, perhaps moving stuff from that encrypted partition and so on
[19:07] <pakus> Tm_T: Ok, but 1) I wat to use the same partition, i can try to backup to a safe place. 2) Then I must to format /home partition again but, how I disable encrypted home dirs?
[19:08] <Tm_T> pakus: I have to admit I have never dealed with encrypted partitions myself so cannot say
[19:09] <pakus> Tm_T: Thanks guy... :-P
[19:09] <Tm_T> guy?
[19:11] <pakus> guy = man
[19:12] <Tm_T> I see, I'll tell that for him when he shows up
[19:12] <millerb> I just joined.  Are you trying to UNencrypt your home partition?
[19:12] <pakus> millerb: Yes
[19:12] <pakus> millerb: Can you help me?
[19:13] <millerb> Normally you have to specify you want a partition encrypted.  So, once you save your information some place, you will want to reboot into single user mode.
[19:13] <pakus> ok
[19:14] <millerb> Then, delete your home partition, and recreate it, but make sure you don't specify any encryption on it.  Then copy your files back.
[19:16] <pakus> millerb: It's all? I've been reading some info about how to encrypt a /home, and it says something about pam.d
[19:18] <marcel> i install Canon IXUS II s driver
[19:18] <marcel> how can i access photo camera in kubuntu linux ?
[19:18] <millerb> pakus:  I've personally never used pam as part of encrypting a file system.  Pam is used for authenticating users to a system.
[19:19] <pakus> Ok... thanks... I'll try it
[19:20] <millerb> pakus:  They encrypted file system has to be actived during the system boot process.  I have one laptop where I encyrpt home and swap.  During the boot process I have to specify a passphrase to unlock the encyption key.
[19:20] <pakus> pam can do some more actions, like mounting homes, create it or unencrypt i
[19:20] <millerb> pakus:  But once I give that, then I have full access to the file system.
[19:21] <pakus> millerb: on fresh install of kubuntu 8.10 I think it works diferent... Is it possible?
[19:23] <millerb> pakus:  I did my encyrpted file systems using SuSE, but I don't why it would be different, unless you aren't encyrpting the entire file system.  But even then, you should be able to just re-create the /home partition without the encryption selected.
[19:24] <pakus> okis, I'll try to move my files to a safe place, then I will recreate partition...
[19:24] <pakus> millerb: thanks
[19:25] <millerb> pakus:  you're welcome.
[19:26] <marcel> i install Canon IXUS II s driver
[19:26] <marcel> how can i access photo camera in kubuntu linux ?
[19:27] <marcel> if a plug-in with USB port , nothing...
[19:29] <jammen33> have you tryed the camera on anotner computer to make sure the camera still works?
[19:29] <ActionParsnip1> !info digikam | marcel
[19:30] <marcel> i try the camera in Windows XP professional, works fine
[19:31] <marcel> but now i have kubuntu linux
[19:31] <mefisto__> does intrepid use something else for default instead of digicam?
[19:31] <mefisto__> *digikam
[19:31] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: its adifferent OS with different supports and quirks
[19:32] <ActionParsnip1> mefisto__: digikam is the default
[19:32] <ActionParsnip1> !camera
[19:33] <tetsuo19> wenas a todos
[19:33] <marcel> i try now sudo apt-get install digicam // and nothing happens
[19:33] <mefisto__> marcel: digikam with a K
[19:33] <marcel> how can i install digicam package ?
[19:33] <marcel> o...
[19:34] <marcel> now i try and i install digikam
[19:34] <marcel> thanks a lot,,, , :)
[19:34] <tetsuo19> I need the manual for stand the kubuntu anr its his funtionalities
[19:35] <tetsuo19> I need the page what stay the user manual
[19:38] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: if its already installed, run it from k menu and it should be ok
[19:42] <marcel> now i try digikam and works OK
[19:42] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: sweet
[19:42] <marcel> thank you mefisto_
[19:42] <marcel> thanks all
[19:42] <ActionParsnip1> yw marcel
[19:42] <marcel> better than Windows
[19:42] <marcel> hehe
[19:42] <marcel> :)
[19:43] <Pooh22> hi, anyone know what to do about flickering videos on an ATI/compiz combo when using KDE4.2rc?
[19:43] <marcel> you must install the proper driver from ATI
[19:43] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: in some situations, yes
[19:43] <marcel> may be
[19:43] <ActionParsnip1> it has its place
[19:43] <marcel> sure
[19:44] <marcel> linux must to grow i think...
[19:44] <Pooh22> marcel: I think I have the proper one (at least, it's the one that the restricted driver thingy from kubuntu downloaded)
[19:44] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: its always growing
[19:45] <marcel> but you must to install, it's  a little bit complex job
[19:45] <Pooh22> marcel: do you mean configure it using xorg.conf?
[19:45] <marcel> no
[19:45] <marcel> just few seconds
[19:45] <mefisto__> Pooh22: as far as I know, the only solution is to avoid using compiz when watching video
[19:46] <Pooh22> mefisto__: can I turn it on/off on the fly?
[19:46] <marcel> no
[19:46] <marcel> sudo aticonfig --install
[19:46] <marcel> use fglrx
[19:47] <ActionParsnip1> Pooh22: kwin --replace to switch back to kwin from compiz
[19:47] <Pooh22> on the ubuntu-nl channel I got the suggestion to run metacity --replace, but that's a gnome solution ;-)
[19:47] <Pooh22> ActionParsnip1: aha, kwin has that as well!
[19:47] <Pooh22> marcel: I'll give it a try, tnx
[19:48] <Pooh22> but isn't kwin for kde4 actually doing all the 3d stuff itself?
[19:48] <marcel> 1. must download proper ati driver package from ATI
[19:49] <marcel> you have then an external link that help you in installation process
[19:49] <ActionParsnip1> Pooh22: it can do some, 3d cube is compiz though which replaces kwin
[19:50] <marcel> Pooh22: you must read the documentation from API: external link -> ubuntu
[19:50] <marcel> or
[19:50] <marcel> Pooh22: you must read the documentation from API: external link -> kubuntu
[19:51] <marcel> Pooh22: then you must to install the proper driver like in specs
[19:51] <Pooh22> ok, tnx marcel, I'll dig into it
[19:51] <marcel> welcome
[19:51] <mefisto__> marcel: he has the driver, but the ati driver has a problem with video playback in compiz
[19:51] <marcel> o
[19:51] <marcel> hard way
[19:54] <ActionParsnip1> mefisto__: just avoid compiz, job done
[19:55] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip1: compiz is my fav thing to avoid
[19:57] <ActionParsnip1> mefisto__: HI5!!
[19:57] <Pooh22> The solution seems to be to turn of desktop-effects
[19:59] <mefisto__> Pooh22: I think you can get to that setting quickly by right-clicking the desktop (not running kde4 right now)
[19:59] <noir_lord> Alt-F3 then select Configure Window Behaviour
[19:59] <marcel> i can install: digikam using Adept ?? (and not sudo apt-get install digikam ) !!
[20:00] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: sure, it achieves the same end, just seem pointless to use a gui if you know the app name
[20:00] <Pooh22> noir_lord: tnx, that's a quick way to get to it!
[20:01] <Pooh22> right-click on desktop doesn't do it though
[20:06] <marcel> can use a better program than Kmix to manage sounds (like volume and 5.1 boxes) ??
[20:07] <marcel> can i use a better program than Kmix to manage sounds (like volume and 5.1 boxes) ??
[20:07] <ActionParsnip1> !repeat | marcel
[20:07] <marcel> sorry
[20:08] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: try: apt-cache search volume | grep audio
[20:09] <marcel> thank you
[20:11] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: or apt-cache search mixer
[20:12] <ActionParsnip1> theres a few in there, if they are "better" or not is a personal opinion, try a few
[20:22] <marcel> Got bless Linux...
[20:23] <marcel> i try to install some promgrams that i found but all fails... (audio programs)
[20:24] <kriox> hi..
[20:24] <marcel> (apt-cache search volume | grep audio) works fine instead
[20:25] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: the app to install is the one on the left
[20:25] <ActionParsnip1> marcel: you can sudo apt-get install <app name>
[20:26] <kriox> i have a kubuntu 8.04. after an upgrade, dolphin is only in locale en
[20:27] <kriox> i need to change locale. but there is not the option in mene --- help-- change linguage
[20:27] <kriox> there is a solution?
[20:28] <ActionParsnip1> !locale
[20:29] <pidus> is there a way to set keyboard shortcuts for starting applications in kde 4.1?..there was a simple way to it in kde 3.5
[20:31] <ActionParsnip1> !shortcuts
[20:31] <miguel> hi all
[20:31] <kriox> i try to explain better... only dolphin have a different locale
[20:32] <m_tadeu> is there a way to convert avi's and mov's to divx?
[20:34] <noir_lord> an avi can already be a divx, technically avi is just a container
[20:34] <pidus> ActionParsnip1, these don't appear to be configurable application shortcuts, i.e. a key combination to start an application
[20:35] <kriox> and i think it happens after an schedule upgrade of the  linguage package that come automatically
[20:35] <ActionParsnip1> pidus: you could use Xmodmap maybe, i use fluxbox so im not usre about keys for apps except that factoid
[20:35] <ActionParsnip1> pidus: maybe someone else can advise
[20:35] <noir_lord> m_tadeu,  mencoder can do it iirc
[20:35] <pidus> ActionParsnip1: oh ok..thanks
[20:36] <noir_lord> m_tadeu, http://ocaoimh.ie/2003/05/12/quicktime-to-divx-conversion/
[20:39] <kriox> !dolphin
[20:39] <bryan_> hello all. what is the best way to configure kubunutu to ouput on a tv? right now all the fonts are to small
[20:40] <noir_lord> bryan, is that box only connected to a TV or is it dual-screen?
[20:40] <bryan_> noir_lord: dedicated to tv! :)
[20:40] <noir_lord> what type of TV, HD or regular?
[20:40] <bryan_> noir_lord: HD
[20:41] <killermach> I regularly have konsole freeze while displaying output from command like 'ls' and 'cp', any idea why?
[20:41] <bryan_> noir_lord: i tried adjusting resoultion and font size. neither resulted well
[20:42] <jammen33> try changing the dpi
[20:42] <noir_lord> that would make the fonts bigger but they'd probably look ugly as hell
[20:44] <bryan_> jammen33: i tried changing dpi, no result.
[20:44] <wizard__> hello i have one computer with a dau user in front. the user should only use openoffice, firefox and his mail program and should not change something else on this system. in the moment i runs a kde 4.x on the newest kubuntu distri. have anyone a tip for closing the system?
[20:44] <bryan_> noir_lord: yes it. the fonts didnt fit into their boxes and everything got strechted
[20:46] <bryan_> so any ideas?
[20:47] <ActionParsnip1> noir_lord: fonts are vector graphics so are redrawn for each font size so scale well
[20:47] <noir_lord> yes however the dpi effects how the vector to raster conversion is done and can screw up the font metrics
[20:48] <noir_lord> also if the dpi is wrong then the scaling is also wrong and a font at 72dpi isnt an inch high
[20:48] <marcel> Kmix is better than all packages found with: apt-cache search volume |grep audio...
[20:48] <m_tadeu> noir_lord: thanx
[20:48] <marcel> Kmix is better than all packages found with: apt-cache search volume |grep audio...
[20:48] <noir_lord> m_tadeu, no problem, mencoder is great :)
[20:49] <marcel> sorry
[20:49] <m_tadeu> noir_lord: btw...for me that would be enough...but is there a graphical app to do so?
[20:49] <nashk> My cdrom drive seems not to work under kde 4  insert CDs and noething takes place
[20:49] <juan_> hello i can't set my screen
[20:49] <nashk> any idea how I may trouble shoot this?
[20:49] <bryan_> juan_: did you disable it?
[20:50] <juan_> no
[20:50] <noir_lord> m_tadeu, Id be amazed if there wasnt but Ive never looked I prefer the CLI for doing it (then I can script it to do multiple files in different ways)
[20:50] <juan_> the reso
[20:50] <juan_> 	
[20:50] <juan_> the maximum resolution
[20:50] <noir_lord> used to use it to convert simpsons episodes to play on my ipaq
[20:50] <juan_> is 632* 480
[20:50] <m_tadeu> noir_lord: thanx again ;)
[20:51] <bryan_> juan_: what are you outputting to?
[20:52] <cleric> can someone help me out with an adept problem?
[20:53] <cleric> please?
[20:53] <m_tadeu> cleric: you should just say the problem ;)
[20:53] <bryan_> cleric: you should just ask your question!
[20:53] <cleric> lol
[20:53] <cleric> ok
[20:53] <cleric> i did not want to be presumptuous...anyway im used to using synaptic and would like to install synaptic using adept installer
[20:53] <cleric> however
[20:54] <cleric> when
[20:54] <cleric> i search for it in adept it is grayed out
[20:54] <cleric> and i cannot select it for installation
[20:54] <cleric> the same thing happens with firefox
[20:54] <m_tadeu> cleric: I think it's already installed
[20:55] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[20:55] <cleric> i tried starting either program from the command line
[20:55] <cleric> no success
[20:55] <ActionParsnip1> !fixapt | cleric
[20:55] <marcel> please, how can i get good doc for fortran 90 (gfortran) ??
[20:55] <bryan_> !wireless
[20:55] <cleric> i do not see how that could be the case though
[20:55] <m_tadeu> cleric: try what ActionParsnip1 said...that will install synaptic if it's not installed yet
[20:56] <cleric> i have not used apt for anything yet
[20:56] <_Adam_> hello
[20:56] <cleric> says event not found
[20:56] <_Adam_> can 8.04 use EXT4?
[20:57] <ActionParsnip1> !ext4
[20:57] <jammen33> not that i know of
[20:58] <nashk> What would my cdrom drive be under teh /dev dir?
[20:58] <ActionParsnip1> _Adam_: i think so, im not sure if the kernel supports it but im sure you could add an ext4 patch to it
[20:58] <m_tadeu> _Adam_: isn't ext4 beta yet?
[20:58] <_Adam_> oh is it still alpha?
[20:59] <cleric> still no luck with adept
[20:59] <m_tadeu> _Adam_: I'm quite sure that ubuntu doen't support it yet...
[20:59] <cleric> synaptic still grayed out
[20:59] <cleric> how can i be sure it is installed if it is?
[20:59] <_Adam_> i'm jumping the gun then :)
[20:59] <m_tadeu> cleric: if you type "sudo apt-get install synaptic", it will say that is already installed
[21:00] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: dpkg -l | grep syna
[21:00] <cleric> Reading package lists... Done
[21:00] <cleric> Building dependency tree... Done
[21:00] <cleric> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:00] <cleric> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:00] <cleric> is only available from another source
[21:00] <cleric> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[21:00] <cleric> that is what it said
[21:00] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: use pastebin dude
[21:00] <cleric> sorry
[21:00] <m_tadeu> hehehe
[21:00] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: did you use the fixapt factoid?
[21:01] <cleric> do that as sudo?
[21:01] <ActionParsnip1> !fixapt
[21:01] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: run this: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:01] <_Adam_> thanks guys
[21:02] <cleric> ok did it
[21:02] <cleric> didnt say anything
[21:02] <bryan_> i have a usb wireless thing. and its not working.
[21:02] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: ok now try: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[21:02] <bryan_> i tried the manual.
[21:02] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: lsusb
[21:02] <cleric> says no installation candidate
[21:02] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: that will identify the device, you can then websearch for an install method
[21:03] <bryan_> ActionParsnip1: tried that. i dont see anything that looks like the usb.
[21:03] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: ok try: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install synaptic; kdesudo synaptic
[21:03] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: can you pastebin the output please
[21:03] <bryan_> !pastebin
[21:04] <cleric> still said no installation candidate
[21:04] <m_tadeu> cleric: try this: apt-cache search synaptic
[21:04] <ActionParsnip1> sudo apt-get install packagekit
[21:04] <cleric> it came back with synaptics touchpad driver for x.org server
[21:04] <bryan_> ActionParsnip1: i think i see it now. accton technology corp.
[21:05] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: its the ID string you need
[21:05] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: the hex code
[21:05] <bryan_> ActionParsnip1: ok. just google that or search on ubuntu help?
[21:07] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: whatever web search engine you like
[21:07] <cleric> it is silly synaptic doesnt come w kubuntu just because it is from gnome
[21:07] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: i use a few to get more results
[21:07] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: its the same, you can install gnome apps in kubuntu and vise versa
[21:07] <bryan_> ActionParsnip1: good idea, google was rather unhelpful. thanks.
[21:08] <m_tadeu> cleric: it does...there is actualy a problem in your system
[21:08] <cleric> that is weird m_tadeu because it is a fresh install
[21:08] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: you'll find they use different search algorithms to search so you'll get different results which can help
[21:08] <cleric> i believe you of course
[21:08] <m_tadeu> cleric: I'm afrain I never got into that problem before
[21:08] <cleric> the disc i got came from ubuntu
[21:08] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: most just google, find nothing then shrug and think it doesnt exist
[21:08] <m_tadeu> cleric: I actualy have it installed...
[21:09] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: if you type syna then press tab does it autocomplete
[21:09] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: try: kdesudo synaptic_installer
[21:09] <cleric> what is kdesudo
[21:10] <ActionParsnip1> cleric: its the graphical sudo for gui apps, sudo is for apps that stay on the command line
[21:10] <cleric> right
[21:10] <bryan_> ActionParsnip1: i feared it wouldnt work...
[21:10] <bryan_> oh well...
[21:10] <ActionParsnip1> bryan_: if all else fails, use ndiswrappr + windows driver
[21:11] <m_tadeu> gotta go have some food...brb
[21:11] <gor> hi all
[21:11] <bryan_> ActionParsnip1: that sounds like a good idea. wish me luck. thanks again!
[21:12] <ActionParsnip1> peace
[21:12] <cleric> this is making me wish i had simply installed ubuntu
[21:12] <cleric> ive never had this problem
[21:13] <Goan> Hi. Is there any application in Kubuntu that can take the data from an ipod?
[21:13] <Goan> or a third party software?
[21:14] <bryan_> Goan: songbird
[21:14] <bryan_> Goan: its mozillas music program
[21:18] <ActionParsnip1> !gpod
[21:18] <ActionParsnip1> !ipod
[21:18] <jammen33> !gtk-pod
[21:18] <ActionParsnip1> !gtkpod
[21:18] <ActionParsnip1> !find pod
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> sudo apt-get install ipod
[21:19] <jammen33> its gtkpod
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> !info ipod
[21:19] <jammen33> ok theres that too
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> jammen33: i'd side with ubottu
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> jammen33: apt-cache search ipod
[21:20] <jammen33> i was thinkg of gtkpod
[21:20] <ActionParsnip1> i always reseach :)
[21:20] <ActionParsnip1> amarok can do it too
[21:20] <jammen33> but i guess theres an ipod pachage also
[21:20] <khalidmian> would like to know how to install amarok ver2 for kubuntu via sudo command
[21:21] <ActionParsnip1> khalidmian: add: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main to /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:22] <ActionParsnip1> khalidmian: then run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install amarok-nightly
[21:22] <jammen33> kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:23] <jammen33> any know how well the media device loading in amaork2 works?
[21:24] <Goan_> bryan_, have you used Songbird before?
[21:24] <khalidmian> whats the sudo command to add deb
[21:25] <bryan_> Goan_: on windows yes. linux not yet.
[21:25] <clau30> hi. I want to share my internet with a mobile device through bluetooth... could someone direct me to some tutorial?
[21:26] <cleric> alright
[21:26] <cleric> i fixed the repositories
[21:26] <cleric> i think
[21:26] <cleric> but why are certain programs showing up in gray in adept
[21:26] <cleric> the box is unchecked
[21:26] <ricky_1966> hi everybody, sorry for my English
[21:26] <cleric> but it wont let me click on it
[21:26] <ActionParsnip1> jammen33: i use amarok 1.4 due to xul remote
[21:27] <jammen33> ActionParsnip1: i still use 1.4 but thinkking about goin 2
[21:27] <ricky_1966> About BT and Kdebluetooth 4 there is any news ? in my system don't work, but I know is a generalized problem
[21:27] <ActionParsnip1> jammen33: if you are happy with 1.4 stick at it. mind you you could install 2 to try it, you can uninstall if you dislike it
[21:28] <ActionParsnip1> ricky_1966: you will need to install the gnome bluetooth app if you want an app
[21:28] <jammen33> ActionParsnip1: true but doenst jaunty only have 2?
[21:28] <ActionParsnip1> jammen33: ive not touched it, you'd have to ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:29] <ricky_1966> ActionParsnip1: have you a link about installetion of the gnome packages ?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip1> ricky_1966: you can just instal them, if you dont have gtk libs installed they will be installed as a dependancy
[21:31] <ricky_1966> ok
[21:38] <ricky_1966> ActionParsnip1: i've installed the pacjeges, and i've restart the service, but sthe problem still
[21:39] <noir_lord> breathes out, accidentally deleting libQtDBus was not good :|
[21:41] <noir_lord> no KDE4 app would open at that point (since Id deleted a library they linked to), had to switch to a virtual terminal and install libqt4-dbus and now its fine
[21:51] <johns_> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1103563&cid=26591349 seems to be the general consensus regarding kubuntu's kde packages in intrepid. any thoughts? i've had similar troubles
[21:53] <xrhstos> hello :-)
[21:53] <claydoh> fud, Ubuntu broke kde's bluetooth support late in the game, not kubuntu
[21:54] <claydoh> unfortunately its not the first time ubuntu has broken tthings to fix othere (scanners in rdgy or thereabouts)
[21:56] <johns_> claydoh: so the only way to fix these things is to wait until the next release?
[21:57] <jammen33> it would be nice if ubutnu would haev support for yubikey to login/sudo
[21:57] <claydoh> could be, I haven't followed that one
[21:58] <claydoh> but I bet they backport the fix if they can
[22:02] <johns_> but... jaunty's not supported for production systems. so it's either broken system with support (that hasn't solved anything yet) or possibly fixed system with no support?
[22:02] <johns_> rock. meet hard place.
[22:03] <claydoh> or usre hardy
[22:04] <claydoh> its the downside to the 6 month release schedule
[22:05] <johns_> pretty big one i'd say. is it difficult from the developers' side having to maintain separate releases like this?
[22:05] <johns_> i'd think that LTS and rolling release might be an easier model to manage
[22:05] <claydoh> well,  not really as LTS are made to be stanble, and most others are open to trying out new stuff
[22:06] <johns_> so for people that want stability for servers, etc. there's LTS, and for people that want the latest and greatest, there's rolling release so bugs can be limited to current and stable
[22:06] <claydoh> lts status is just security updates for the most part
[22:07] <johns_> right, which is fine. i'm not saying do away with lts, i'm saying do away with 6 month releases that cause breakage. just have a rolling release where at least breakage can be solved faster as you don't have to worry about breakage for multiple releases
[22:07] <johns_> just the current one
[22:10] <bryan_> i am using the program to run windows drivers on linux. i have it working but its not connecting.
[22:11] <ehemal> !de
[22:13] <bryan_> i am using windows wireless drivers. the connection starts but doesnt connect.
[22:18] <hossein> hi
[22:18] <Alice22> hi
[22:18] <Alice22>  there i need some help
[22:18] <hossein> whats the matter?
[22:19] <Alice22> i want to open ... .exe in linx
[22:19] <Alice22>  ...
[22:19] <Alice22>  i undersant i need a wine .. or somf like that
[22:19] <hossein> i have the same problem too,its just 2 days that i have installed linux
[22:20] <hossein> salam az iran kasi hast?
[22:20] <claydoh> !wine
[22:26] <jussi01> !ir | hossein
[22:27] <alakhia> anyone know how I can downnload flash movies?
[22:28] <jussi01> !info clive | alakhia
[22:30] <alakhia> jussi01: cool, so I can just apt-get install that
[22:30] <jussi01> alakhia: yes, though its command line only afaik, man clive for more
[22:31] <hossein> thanks so much
[22:31] <NightWlkr> hellow all
[22:34] <techbw> hi all again, does anyone know of a desktop widget that will change the background on the desktop on a timed interval?  when googling I find only ones for winblows
[22:35] <live_to_code> why would you need a widget? you can set kde4 to do that through 'appearance settings'
[22:37] <NightWlkr> what would b the best supported vga for kubuntu? since kde4 has a hard time working with my SIS VGA..driver issues :/
[22:37] <techbw> I don't have kde4 only 3, still on 8.04, going to be doing an upgrade as soon as cd is finished downloading...still busy
[22:38] <techbw> ouch, that would be a problem for me too, as I too have sis graphics on laptop, is it only compiz etc. that is not working or is kubuntu not playing nice at all with kde4?
[22:39] <NightWlkr> well techbw if u have a sis vga run away from kde4 :P
[22:39] <NightWlkr> not that u will not have compiz working and all those nice desktop effects..even video will play blury and such
[22:39] <techbw> what issues are you having,  I don't need eye candy of compiz etc.
[22:39] <alakhia> darn, megavideo.com is not supported by clive
[22:40] <live_to_code> intel
[22:40] <techbw> well on kde3.5 I think it is, video is perfect, infact it is clearer than when I had windows on this laptop
[22:40] <NightWlkr> well i will have a hard time finding an intel vga here.. would ATI function normally?
[22:41] <techbw> ATI works with drivers for ATI, I think there is a problem when installing from live CD though, you have to go into Safe Graphics to install
[22:42] <techbw> or at least I was reading up on that...have no personal experience there
[22:42] <NightWlkr> well i already have everything installed..i just need a new vga
[22:43] <NightWlkr> i can't even manage to watch a dvd decently and that's a problem for me
[22:43] <techbw> NightWlkr: what problems you experience with SiS on KDE4? just want to know, incase I too will have problems.
[22:43] <techbw> does one have to run openGL card with KDE4?
[22:43] <NightWlkr> first of all u won't have any desktop effects..it just won't enable
[22:44] <techbw> that's fine
[22:44] <techbw> I don't have that now
[22:44] <techbw> any other issues?
[22:44] <NightWlkr> 2nd all ur video will be blury
[22:44] <techbw> I don't have that now.
[22:44] <mefisto__> NightWlkr: what driver is being used?
[22:44] <NightWlkr> 3rd sometimes while typing ur whole screen will flicker and give black lines..killing krunner was fixing that issue though
[22:45]  * xrhstos kalh synexia :-)
[22:45] <live_to_code> dont have to run opengl, can run xrender, but will be slower
[22:45] <techbw> which sis card you have, kde3 has no issues except for openGL stuff, like compiz etc
[22:46] <techbw> DVD and video is perfect on 3.5
[22:46] <NightWlkr> yes weird..it was working fine on 3.5 for me aswell
[22:46] <NightWlkr> let me get my driver version etc..1 sex
[22:46] <NightWlkr> sec
[22:47] <techbw> lol
[22:47] <live_to_code> when watching dvd's make sure you set your client to x11
[22:47] <live_to_code> otherwise it will be choppy
[22:47] <NightWlkr> 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[22:47] <NightWlkr> Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] (Elitegroup Computer Systems)
[22:47] <techbw> exactly the same as mine
[22:48] <pidus> can i install gnome as well, when using kubuntu 8.10?
[22:48] <techbw> looks like I may run into problems then? think I will image the drive before the upgrade just in case
[22:48] <NightWlkr> yes u can pidus..
[22:48] <pidus> NightWlkr: and how?
[22:49] <techbw> hope there will be better support for SiS in the future however I am doubtfull it will be in the near future
[22:49] <NightWlkr> techbw: me too, but instead of waiting i rather buy a decent vga since that's cheap nowadays
[22:49] <techbw> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop i think it is
[22:50] <pidus> techbw: ok thanks
[22:50] <techbw> don't really have that option, as I am on laptop
[22:50] <NightWlkr> then stick with kde3.5 for now as an advice..i may switch too but had a problem installing yakuake :P
[22:51] <bdizzle> hey
[22:51] <techbw> pidus: that is correct sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:51] <bdizzle> does anyone know anything about KDevelop?
[22:51] <bdizzle> I'm trying to use it for a programming class I have and am having some difficulty getting it to run properly
[22:52] <techbw> I will give it a go once I have found a utility to image the drive, Ghost4Linux looks quite complicated.
[22:52] <pidus> techbw: cool
[22:52] <techbw> does not look as easy as Symantecs Ghost.
[22:52] <NightWlkr> well i used to have a bootable cd called partition expert..should do the trick
[22:52] <techbw> will check that out.
[22:53] <NightWlkr> i think it's paid though..had to steal a copy back then :P
[22:53] <NightWlkr> but if u can get it it's quite easy
[22:54] <techbw> KDE4 looks really cool, hope I don't run into any issues, I can live without the compiz stuff, although it would have been nice if there was support for SiS cards in 8.10
[22:54] <bdizzle> techbw: I have problems with KDE4 still
[22:54] <techbw> what problem you having?
[22:54] <bdizzle> mostly that it randomly closes firefox and I have some mouse / video issues
[22:54] <live_to_code> no compiz in kde4 (compiz is optional) kwin composite does nicely
[22:54] <NightWlkr> techbw: what seems cool there won't run on sis :P
[22:55] <NightWlkr> even kwin gave me a white screen i could work with nothing
[22:55] <bdizzle> does anyone know anything about KDevelop?
[22:55] <bdizzle> if not, does anyone know of a channel I can go to for help?
[22:55] <techbw> no I have a desktop as well with Nvidia
[22:55] <NightWlkr> from what i heard it had problems with nvidia aswell?
[22:56] <bdizzle> yes
[22:56] <techbw> bdizzle: don't think I am the one to help there, have not even upgraded to KDE4 yet
[22:56] <NightWlkr> weird..most ppl use nvidia
[22:56] <bdizzle> I know, I was just saying where I was having problems
[22:56] <live_to_code> i'm running ati hd 2400 and it runs perfectly. i have to install 8.10 in text mode though as live cd don't wanna play.
[22:56] <techbw> It does, but once you get past the install, you can install prop. drivers.
[22:57] <live_to_code> then i get a text login where i manually update, then it runs
[22:57] <techbw> basically the install has to be done with safe graphics mode, because of licence issues, it's about not having end user licence during install process go figure
[22:58] <NightWlkr> ya same thing for amarok not having mp3 support..but u can install it later on :P
[22:58] <live_to_code> yeah, that's normal though
[22:59] <bdizzle> GRRRR
[22:59] <techbw> From what I heard is that once the install is done, on first boot, you will have a popup window asking to install the drivers, and you have to agree to eula
[23:00] <NightWlkr> well they can add the eula b4 the install and make it work..i don't find any complications there
[23:00] <Neremor> hello!
[23:00] <Neremor> i need some help with grep
[23:00] <NightWlkr> but i won't have problems with ati vga's.. i can run the install with my sis built in and then install the ATI
[23:01] <techbw> I don't either but apparently Conical don't want eula in the install process, as it is not opensource, and they want to adhere to the GPL
[23:01] <techbw> something to that effect
[23:01] <Neremor> i'm currently creating a script that should read out all birthdays on a page. for the readout i want to use grep.
[23:01] <Neremor> the format is like that:
[23:01] <Neremor> Birthday:{{tabulator}}22.03.1972
[23:02] <techbw> you shouldn't have an issue if you install using sis and after that install your ati card.
[23:02] <Neremor> what should the grep command look like? i want to have the date (22.03.1972) as the output of the command afterwards
[23:02] <NightWlkr> no i won't..but i have an issue with my ati vga..using windows i kicked my pc a few times now it won't work :P
[23:02] <techbw> Neremor: I think that would be to do with programming, this is the Kubuntu support room
[23:02] <Neremor> hm
[23:03] <Neremor> i'm talking about an linux program, whats wrong about that?
[23:03] <etfb> Can someone with KDE4 in Intrepid look in their System Settings for me, and tell me if you have an icon for Multimedia?  Mine isn't there, and as an interesting coincidence, my audio doesn't work.
[23:03] <NightWlkr> etfb: maybe u don't have a sound card driver installed
[23:04] <etfb> NightWlkr: I believe I do, but how do I tell?
[23:04] <techbw> Neremor: nothing wrong, but you would have better success in a programming room, rather than a support room, didn't mean anything by that
[23:04] <NightWlkr> u should check ur system u have 2 choices...command line or graphical
[23:05] <etfb> NightWlkr: Prefer command line; it's quicker and then I can use history.
[23:05] <NightWlkr> command line i think u can tell by dmesg |grep sdb
[23:05] <techbw> Nightwlkr: would that not bring up info on sdb hard drive?
[23:06] <etfb> NightWlkr: I assume that's a typo and you meant grep snd?
[23:06] <NightWlkr> yup sorry checking the sound :S
[23:07] <techbw> ;-)
[23:07] <etfb> Damn... how do you set case-insensitive search mode in less?
[23:08] <etfb> Ah!  dash i
[23:08] <etfb> OK, nothing in dmesg about "sound", "snd" or "alsa"
[23:09] <techbw> i get no return either and my snd is working
[23:09] <techbw> i even tried pcm and still no return
[23:10] <NightWlkr> well u can always install device manager as a graphical interface :$
[23:10] <NightWlkr> i can't find sound in dmesg either
[23:10] <techbw> i do get for dmesg | grep ac97 though
[23:10] <techbw> wich is my snd card
[23:10] <techbw> what does lspci say, do you see snd card in list
[23:11] <etfb> NightWlkr: aplay -l says I have an ALC889 Analog
[23:11] <mefisto__> try this: lspci |grep -i audio
[23:12] <techbw> then try dmseg | grep ALC889
[23:12] <mefisto__> or this: asoundconf list
[23:12] <etfb> Names of available sound cards: Intel
[23:12] <techbw> ooo learnt somthing new...got respons on that command
[23:12] <etfb> Impressive!  (Not)
[23:13] <etfb> (The results of the command, not the command itself...)
[23:13] <NightWlkr> me too techbw
[23:13] <etfb> Tried dmesg | grep -i ALC and got nothing relevant.
[23:14] <mefisto__> what about lspci | grep -i audio  ?
[23:14]  * etfb is unsurprised to find that lscpi doesn't exist. Who would want to list the Consumer Price Index? lspci works, though.
[23:15] <techbw> why is it grep and not grab??? cos what the command is actually doing is grabbing that info out of a list??
[23:15] <techbw> is alsa installed on your system?
[23:15] <stdin_> techbw: the name is taken from the first letters in global / regular expression / print
[23:15] <etfb> techbw: Ancient Unix lore: grep = global [regular expression] print in a very old Unix editor, ie you would type gh.ll.+w.rld[ENTER]p or something like that
[23:16] <techbw> ah!
[23:16] <techbw> acronym
[23:16] <etfb> No, TECO command.  Same thing, orders of magnitude different pain levels.
[23:16] <stdin_> most old unix commands are
[23:16] <techbw> damn lucky i did not use unix then, cos I would have thrown out the window with commands like that
[23:16] <etfb> stdin_: Someone told me once that Unix was written originally in Dutch, and I believed it.  I'm not sure I ever stopped.
[23:17] <mefisto__> what's the "global" refer to?
[23:17] <etfb> mefisto__: Repeat through the entire file, ie not just on the current line.
[23:18] <etfb> Regarding lspci | grep -i audio, I get one line, referring to an 82801H HD Audio Controller
[23:18] <stdin_> mefisto__: global search, rather than a local/bounded search
[23:19] <techbw> we now know the sound card exists, but can we help in getting the thing to work, I know I can't :-P
[23:20] <techbw> thanks for the lesson guys, learned a new command, and a little on history of grep, but I am off now, cheers all
[23:21] <etfb> So the sound card is an ALC889, right?  So what's this 82801C thing?
[23:21] <phil_> cya
[23:21] <live_to_code>  /msg NickServ identify cepfxfyr
[23:22] <stdin_> password change time
[23:22] <live_to_code> lol
[23:22] <NightWlkr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/122560
[23:22] <live_to_code> aye
[23:22] <NightWlkr> etfb: this is what u'r going through
[23:23] <etfb> live_to_code: Excellent password, though.  Very secure.  Just need to avoid spaces at the start of your / lines.
[23:23] <live_to_code> hahaha
[23:24] <jussi01> should always do that in the server window..
[23:24] <NightWlkr> etfb: there r 5 patches there that worked with some ppl should i just paste the links for u?
[23:24] <etfb> NightWlkr: That's fine, I'll read and digest.
[23:26] <live_to_code> @ jussi01: normally would, i panicked! lol
[23:26] <jussi01> :)
[23:26] <stdin> you can set most clients to auto-identify to nickserv, and with freenode you can use your nickserv password as the server password for automatic identification
[23:30] <marcel> what is libncurses ?
[23:31] <etfb> marcel: A library that allows programmers to write stuff that uses the terminal for simple DOS-style layouts.  Have a look at, say, alsamixer for the sort of thing it allows.
[23:31] <etfb> marcel: Good for doing a user interface without messing about with X, KDE, GTK, etc.
[23:32] <marcel> thank you verry much etfb:
[23:32] <etfb> marcel: Out of interest: why do you ask?
[23:32] <marcel> how can i use libncurses ?
[23:32] <etfb> It's a rewrite of the curses library, so google for that.
[23:33] <marcel> my interest is to write the function getch(); /* get a char withou echo */  -- into "C"...
[23:34] <marcel> getch(); -- not exist into gnu c library...
[23:34] <marcel> and i need a getch(); function
[23:38] <etfb> marcel: the ncurses library will have that as a built-in, I expect, so it won't be hard to find.
[23:38] <cjae> !update
[23:38] <stdin> marcel: getch() is a windoes command, use getchar()
[23:39] <stdin> *windows API function
[23:39] <etfb> (Dang it... what's the IRC command to undo an /away?)
[23:39] <stdin> /back
[23:40] <etfb> Excellent.  Thanks.
[23:40] <stdin> clients should accept '/away' as back, but some don't
[23:40] <etfb> Out of interest, how did you manage to type /back on a line by itself and not have it executed?
[23:40] <stdin> //back
[23:40] <stdin> the client will remove the 1st slash
[23:40] <etfb> stdin: Obvious.  Pardon me while I slap myself for not guessing that.
[23:40]  * etfb slaps /me
[23:41] <marcel> hard to find ncurses with headers
[23:41] <stdin> marcel: you don't want ncurses for simple console apps
[23:41] <marcel> thank you
[23:42] <stdin> just use int getchar(void)
[23:42] <stdin> or int getc(FILE *stream)
[23:42] <marcel> getchar(); // ends with a '\r' char and i don't want that
[23:43] <marcel> just to simulate a getch(); function !!
[23:43] <stdin> getchar() reads what ever is in the buffer
[23:43] <marcel> yes
[23:43] <stdin> a better place to ask about this is in ##c
[23:43] <marcel> i ask and they tell me abou ncurses
[23:44] <cjae> !amd
[23:44] <marcel> i don't know how to obtain ncurses..., :)
[23:44] <stdin> libncurses5-dev
[23:44] <mister-tea-lapto> so install liibncurses5 through synaptic
[23:44] <marcel> thank you
[23:45] <stdin> you'll want the -dev for the headers
[23:45] <marcel> yes
[23:45] <marcel> thank you again
[23:46] <stdin> and you'll need to -lncurses
[23:47] <stdin> btw, there is getline() in <stdio.h>
[23:47] <stdin> you'll have to #define _GNU_SOURCE to use it
[23:51] <cjae> is there a prblem with ati chipset in linux?
[23:52] <cjae> I have no ethernet internet
[23:53] <cjae> and its a realtek onboard so it shouldn't be problem
[23:56] <Papfox> Hi, I'm having graphics performance issues with KDE4 on a machine that really shouldn't be having trouble (Dell Precision M6300 laptop - 2.4G dual core, 4GB RAM, nVidia Quadro FX1600m 256MB GPU [nVidia 177 binary blob], 1920x1200 panel, 7200RPM SATA drive). There are three things going wrong: 1) When I open new apps the windows show corrupt "stripey" contents from elsewhere on the screen. 2) When I scroll in apps like Firefox if the machine
[23:56] <Papfox> is busy the psrt of the window that got scrolled contains an a duplicate of an adjacent stripe which goes away when I open a menu. 3) Mouseovering files (particularly in dolphin on konqueror) causes GUIs of other programs (particularly xmms) to become jerky [on FC9 and 10 it also made pulseaudio glitch] Sorry for such a long post. Thanks for your help.
[23:58] <Papfox> Machine performed like a racehorse on Hardy with KDE3
[23:59] <dsnaike> Papfox what kde ver. 4.x