[00:04] <akio> single works, i just had to choose drop to shell
[00:11] <Melik> hey guys im having lots of trouble :/
[00:11] <Melik> gnome won't start ;/
[00:12] <akio> neither does mine
[00:12] <akio> happened last night or after 2.6.25?
[00:12] <akio> intel driver?
[00:13] <akio> Melik: !
[00:13] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTYwdw/pasta\
[00:13] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTYwdw/pasta*
[00:13] <Melik> akio,
[00:14] <Melik> well it opens the gnome session
[00:15] <Melik> but doesnt load any settings
[00:15] <akio> the intel driver on mine is hardcore borked
[00:16] <Melik> nor the panels, nautilus, and a window manager
[00:16] <akio> oops
[00:16] <Melik> akio,
[00:16] <akio> ?
[00:17] <Melik> can you open up a gnome session at least?
[00:17] <akio> i don't know
[00:18] <akio> ill try, how do i do that?
[00:18] <Melik> well
[00:18] <Melik> can you log in?
[00:18] <Melik> from the login window
[00:18] <akio> grr /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[00:18] <Melik> yeah
[00:19] <akio> im in single mode right now, dropped to shell
[00:19] <akio> i really don't know where to start, i suppose revert to old intel driver or something but i don't know how to do that
[00:20] <Melik> oh nvm :s
[00:20] <Melik> man this is so frustrating
[00:20] <akio> as soon as the gdm kicks my display fries
[00:20] <Melik> lol ouch
[00:20] <Melik> all i know is
[00:20] <Melik> next time when i test an alpha distro
[00:20] <Melik> im going to install a brand new one
[00:20] <Melik> on a diff partition
[00:20] <akio> lmao
[00:20] <Melik> i accidently upgraded my
[00:21] <Melik> real ibex
[00:21] <akio> yeah, i have a full backup but i just can't stand not having bleeding edge
[00:21] <Melik> and
[00:21] <akio> ibex is nice, jaunty is faster
[00:21] <Melik> im never ever ever using ion3
[00:21] <Melik> i HATE ion3, worst window manager ever
[00:21] <akio> never even heard of it
[00:22] <Melik> http://74.63.228.146/~melik/screenshot.png
[00:22] <Melik> thats how it looks like
[00:22] <Melik> it works on tiles instead of floating boxes
[00:24] <Melik> whats the new  kernel?
[00:24] <Melik> 28.5.5?
[00:24] <akio> ?
[00:25] <akio> mine says 2.6.28-5
[00:25] <Melik> oh k
[00:25] <Melik> thanks
[00:25] <akio> dunno about the last points
[00:25] <Melik> just updating my grub menu.lst
[00:25] <akio> that wm is nuts
[00:26] <Melik> the idea is really nice
[00:26] <Melik> but the actual WM sucks.
[00:26] <Melik> its very unstable
[00:26] <Melik> anyways ill brb
[00:26] <Melik> im guna restart to the new kernel
[00:29] <andersk> I have a lot of friends that switched from ion3 to xmonad.  If you like the concept, xmonad is worth a try.
[00:30] <akio> so what is the easiest way to get my video back to working?
[00:30] <akio> besides re-installing
[00:31] <akio> dropping to root shell and using the vesa driver?
[00:31] <akio> why thank you for the advice
[00:39] <melik> ok back
[00:39] <melik> akio:
[00:39] <melik> i deleted gconf2 and gnome and like half my packages :$
[00:39] <melik> i'm just going to re-install everything
[00:40] <melik> im in shell right now
[00:44] <akio> my own advice worked
[00:44] <akio> for my issue
[00:45] <akio> drop to single user shell and switch the driver to vesa and then reboot
[00:55] <syockit> Did last xserver-xorg-video-intel update bork up? My xorg restarts upon login
[00:55] <syockit> Now using vesa
[00:55] <akio> yes
[00:55] <akio> vesa works fine
[00:55] <syockit> :(
[00:55] <akio> got scrambled portube?
[00:55] <akio> porntube*
[00:56] <syockit> So let's have a vesa life while we wait for them devs to bring the fix, eh?
[00:56] <akio> what kills me is that for a split second it works when switching to a tty
[00:56] <akio> did you notice that?
[00:56] <syockit> You mean?
[00:57] <akio> i have a 1024x600 screen, it really sucks for me, its all stretched and stuff
[00:57] <syockit> I can only tty before logging in. After trying to log in on kdm, switching to tty will show pretty stripes!
[00:57] <akio> 945GME
[00:58] <akio> but for a split second mine shows the failsafe x message
[00:58] <syockit> I've a 1280x768. 945GM/GMS? or is it 943/940GML? I'm confused
[00:58] <akio> but then fails to kick in properly
[00:59] <akio> lspci
[00:59] <syockit> Well, it shows both
[00:59] <akio> hrmmm?
[01:00] <akio> o
[01:00] <syockit> with 943/940GML Express yada yada on the end
[01:00] <syockit> Okay, okay, I'll paste it here:
[01:00] <syockit> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[01:01] <akio> 945GM
[01:02] <syockit> I see
[01:05] <syockit> Hmm, since when has vesa become this fast? Last time I used it (probably Gutsy), it scrolls sluggishly
[01:05] <syockit> s/scrolls/scroll/
[01:21] <syockit> Oh, cannot 1280x768 with vesa it seems. That's it, downgrading...
[01:29] <Melik> guys can anyone help me out?
[01:30] <Melik> my gnome is like completely broken :/
[01:32] <tretle> when is gnome being updated for jaunty
[01:33] <Melik> no idea
[01:33] <Melik> but my gnome is completely messed up :)
[01:34] <Melik> i log in from the GDM login window
[01:34] <Melik> and it just loads my background and thats it
[01:34] <Melik> fails to load gnome-settings-daemon and everything else
[01:39] <tretle> :(
[01:39] <taggie> tretle, what's wrong with your gnome?
[01:40] <tretle> no that was meliks gnome, I was just wondering when 2.26 was gonna hit jaunty
[01:40] <taggie> ah. don't know that one.
[01:59] <melik> damn :/
[01:59] <melik> i have no idea what to do anymore lol
[02:02] <x1250> melik, some parts of gnome are already being updated to 2.25.x
[02:03] <melik> x1250: wait gnome is getting updated?
[02:03] <x1250> from 2.24.x to 2.25.x
[02:04] <danbhfive> !schedule
[02:04] <melik> oh thats why its all probably screwed up atm :/
[02:04] <shadowhywind> hay all, I have a problem, that I wanna try to fix. using kubuntu, if i try to login using KDM it starts a xterm failsafe session instead of a kde seassion. (including trying to login as a new user) anyone have any ideas?
[02:04] <Volkodav> http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu <== anybody has gpg key for this repo ?
[02:04] <melik> i thought i did something to ruin it :S
[02:04] <danbhfive> melik: im pretty sure gnome gets released a few days before ubuntu goes beta
[02:04] <x1250> melik, I have no problems here
[02:05] <danbhfive> a week before beta
[02:07] <melik> damn x1250 :/
[02:07] <melik> this is what happens with mine
[02:08] <melik> basically the session manager doesn't startup
[02:08] <melik> so pretty much nothing starts up
[02:11] <x1250> melik, create a new user and see if it has problems too. If not, try rm -r ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome*
[02:11] <melik> hm all right
[02:11] <x1250> you'll lose custom configs though
[02:13] <melik> thanks x1250, yeah i created a user called test
[02:13] <melik> everything is fine
[02:13] <melik> all right ill go ahead and remove those two folders
[02:13] <x1250> melik, just don't forget to deluser it :P
[02:14] <melik> oh yeah i know :)
[02:17] <melik> damn x1250, it still does it argh :$
[02:17] <melik> i think
[02:18] <melik> i'm going to go ahead and..
[02:18] <melik> move all my actual files from /home/melik/ to a diff dir
[02:18] <melik> then going to go ahead and just rm -rf /home/melik/
[02:18] <melik> and del the user and just re-add it
[02:25] <x1250> melik, check ~/.xession-errors
[02:29] <maxb> Urgh
[02:30] <maxb> I knew there was no fglrx for jaunty, but I didn't realize that radeon moved like treacle
[02:30] <melik> x1250:
[02:30] <melik> i have nearly a thousand times
[02:30] <RAOF> maxb: Really?  Radeon _should_ be fast for most chips.
[02:32] <syockit> Yay, succesfully rolled back. Now I know the importance of keeping old debs
[02:35] <x1250> melik, then its probably another file or permission problems, who knows. But it will work if you clean it up. Your new user worked.
[02:37] <melik> yeah x1250
[02:45] <melik> x1250:
[02:45] <melik> i deleted my user.. removed the entire /home/melik/ folder
[02:45] <melik> and it still does it :/
[02:46] <melik> hold on brb
[02:49] <hggdh> RAOF, btw, how's radeonhd doing nowadays?
[02:51] <RAOF> hggdh: No idea.  Although last I heard, they'd changed the major design decision that radeon devs didn't like (direct hardware poking vs AtomBIOS).
[02:54] <hggdh> Volkodav, IIRC, PPAs still do not use gpg
[02:58] <maxb> They do now
[03:00] <maxb> Urgh, how do you convince dbus to reload its security policies without a reboot?
[03:00] <maxb> I tried invoke-rc.d dbus reload, and it didn't seem to take effect
[03:00] <Volkodav> hmm it gets me gpg error though
[03:00] <maxb> I tried invoke-rc.d dbus restart, and it locked up my machine
[03:00] <Volkodav> that's why I asked
[03:01] <Melik> x1250,
[03:01] <Melik> ok im fine now
[03:01] <Melik> it worked
[03:01] <Melik> thanks a lot for helping out mate :)
[03:02] <x1250> Melik, what did you do finally?
[03:02] <Melik> well, i forgot to delete the /home/melik/ folder
[03:02] <Melik> at first
[03:02] <Melik> re-deleted the user
[03:02] <Melik> and deleted the entire /home/melik/ folder
[03:02] <Melik> after i backed up all the files
[03:02] <Melik> and created a new user "melik"
[03:03] <maxb> RAOF: When I let X do its autodetection thing using the default config file, and it was using radeon, it was taking a full second just to repaint gnome-terminal after switching tabs :-(
[03:04] <RAOF> maxb: Hm.  That's substantially worse than unaccelerated; posting your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log might throw up something obviously wrong.
[03:05] <Melik> x1250,
[03:05] <Melik> i got one last question if you dont mind helping me :$
[03:05] <Melik> melik@matrix:~$ sudo su
[03:05] <Melik> [sudo] password for melik:
[03:05] <Melik> melik is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[03:05] <Melik> melik@matrix:~$
[03:06] <Melik> nvm i got it.
[03:09] <maxb> I have vaguely reasonable performance with radeonhd/AccelMethod=exa/DRI=true. I'll swap back to the pathological config later and get a log.
[03:11] <RAOF> DRI is likely to be a prerequisite for decent performance, and we've swapped to EXA by default.
[03:11] <hggdh> Volkodav, go to https://launchpad.net/~fta
[03:12] <maxb> Next problem - apparently that recent tightening of dbus security has left things unable to talk to HAL for CD/DVD presence :-/
[03:25] <maxb> Has anyone found touchpad tap-to-click broken since the last xserver-xorg-inpu-synaptics update?
[03:28] <hggdh> maxb, yes, there are some bugs opened on it
[03:30] <hggdh> e.g., bug 320623
[03:30] <hggdh> darn!
[03:31] <hggdh> bug 320632
[03:43] <DanaG> Oh heyas, anyone else having PulseAudio refuse connections?
[03:43] <DanaG> All it does: Connection Refused.
[03:44]  * DanaG is lucky / unlucky enough to have R600.
[03:44] <DanaG> I'm also having Xorg devour 100% of one CPU core.
[03:47]  * DanaG reboots to try to fix the dagflabbed screwed-up pulseaudio.
[03:49] <solarion> stupid intel 3d horkage
[03:50] <DanaG> wtf... I can't kill synaptic.
[03:50] <DanaG> neither 9 nor 11 works to kill it.
[03:51] <solarion> RAOF: you're an ubuntu dev?
[03:53] <Volkodav> that's why I asked
[03:53] <maxb> Hmm.. how can I set X options for the synaptics driver, now that input devices are not configured in xorg.conf any more?
[03:54] <DanaG> with an fdi file.
[03:54] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[03:54] <DanaG> That's my example.
[04:00] <Melik> argh
[04:00] <Melik> this is why i hate gnome
[04:00] <Melik> if i try to remove gnome-games
[04:00] <Melik> it removes gnome
[04:02] <solarion> Melik: the games are an integral part of the desktop experience
[04:06] <Melik> i dont see why they should force me to keep it
[04:06] <Melik> when im not going to use it
[04:06] <Melik> or for example i want to use a different music player instead of rhythmbox
[04:09] <Melik> solarion, i mean i like gnome.. its nice and very stable
[04:09] <Melik> and i like some programs they provide bundled with their desktop environemnt
[04:16] <x1250> Melik, I guess you say ubuntu-desktop? gnome package is not installed by default. Anyway, you _can_ purge/remove gnome-games without removing ubuntu-desktop, its only a recommend
[04:17] <cwillu> Melik, there's nothing wrong with removing gnome, it's just a metapackage.  Alternatively, you could just hide the games menu
[04:17] <Melik> http://omploader.org/vMTYxZg/pasta
[04:18] <x1250> try aptitude
[04:18] <x1250> Melik, why do have gnome installed?
[04:20] <solarion> Melik: really, gnome-games should be separable from gnome desktop.  That reeks of a packaging error
[04:20] <Melik> yeah
[04:20] <x1250> it looks like you have some problems there. Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:20] <Melik> rhythmbox
[04:21] <Melik> ekiga
[04:21] <Melik> hold on
[04:21] <Melik> nope
[04:21] <Melik> installing it now
[04:21] <Melik> hang on
[04:24] <x1250> also get rid of the gnome package. Unless you know you need it, is useless. IIRC it has vanilla gnome dependencies, which should be overridden by ubuntu-desktop.
[04:26] <Melik> never knew a "ubuntu-desktop" existed
[04:30] <x1250> Melik, then you can remove gnome-games, since its only a recommend in ubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <Melik> yeah
[04:30] <Melik> it works now
[04:41] <biouser> if I new how to really stop and start pulseaudio reliably.. I am much happier with the way that jaunty is handling audio and media though already, is exciting
[04:41] <DanaG> dang xorg is literally devouring my CPU.
[04:42] <DanaG> Or one core, rather.
[04:42] <DanaG>  Anyone know how to fix it?
[04:42] <DanaG> The problem goes away if I lock my screen with gnome-screensaver.
[04:42] <solarion> DanaG: might be gnome power manager
[04:43] <DanaG> Nope, I've killed *gnome*, and it still does it.
[04:43] <DanaG> That means gnome-panel, and the applets, too.
[04:43] <solarion> mm, ok
[04:43] <solarion> that's the only thing I know of
[04:43] <DanaG> Happens with fglrx AND with radeon.
[04:44] <cwillu> DanaG, try killing gnome-power-manager
[04:44] <DanaG> Doesn't happen with just an xterm open (failsafe login)... but starting gnome-session starts the issue somewhere.
[04:44] <DanaG> I _have_ done that.
[04:44] <DanaG> And gnome-settings-daemon.
[04:44] <cwillu> there's a bug there that's causing xorg to repoll the hardware over and over
[04:44] <DanaG> And all things with "applet" in the path name.
[04:44] <DanaG> Somehow, I'm thinking gnome-session itself may be doing it.'
[04:45] <cwillu> bug #307306
[04:45] <DanaG> AUDIT: Fri Jan 23 20:37:00 2009: 16520 X: client 4 rejected from local host ( uid=0 gid=0 pid=16545 )
[04:45] <DanaG> Still happens even after I nuke g-p-m.
[04:45] <solarion> cwillu: does your box live?
[04:46] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Something running on your system is responding to GDK's monitors-changed signal and asking X to reprobe your monitors
[04:46] <DanaG> hmm, how can I figure out what it is?
[04:46] <bluesmoke> DanaG: X may not immediately settle down when you kill the offending app
[04:46] <cwillu> solarion, just booting it back up now :p
[04:46] <DanaG> If need be, I can use ssh some time tomorrow.
[04:46] <bluesmoke> The only two I know of are gpm and gsd
[04:46] <bluesmoke> So....*shrug*
[04:46] <bluesmoke> That's the only known "X chews a crapload of CPU on login" bug that is currently known though
[04:47] <cwillu> solarion, 2.6.28-5 won't even boot on my system, I'm getting 'unsupport executable format'
[04:47] <solarion> cwillu: ouch
[04:47] <cwillu> -4 still works though
[04:48] <solarion> -5 boots fine for me
[04:48] <solarion> x86_64?
[04:48] <DanaG> Complete process list:
[04:48] <DanaG> in pastebin:
[04:48] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f37156a25
[04:49] <DanaG> ps afx, that is.
[04:50] <cwillu> DanaG, pastebin xorg.0.log
[04:51] <bluesmoke> #
[04:51] <bluesmoke> 16652 ?        Ssl    0:01 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon
[04:51] <bluesmoke> it restarts itself
[04:51] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f66b0853e
[04:51] <DanaG> I just killed g-s-d, and it's staying dead, actually.
[04:52] <bluesmoke> the root problem is gpm triggering these events on brightness change which GDK should not be firing signals for which causes these apps to do a very expensive X call
[04:52] <bluesmoke> Noone noticed before because it takes a new libxrandr and a new xserver for this call to be expensive, before the call was apparently just kind of broken
[04:52] <DanaG> Do the calls "stack up", or something?
[04:53] <DanaG> hmm, if I downgrade libxrandr temporarily, will that be a usable workaround?
[04:53] <DanaG> I do differentiate "workaround" from "fix".
[04:53] <bluesmoke> I suppose they could as long as the app was asynchronously waiting for the response (which a good GNOME app would do)
[04:53] <bluesmoke> no, I think actually old versions have the problem too because they check for the xserver
[04:54] <cwillu> DanaG, that's a normal xorg session?
[04:54] <DanaG> Lemme see it myself...
[04:54] <bluesmoke> although I did see mention of a downgrade working the version you would have to downgrade to requires you to downgrade half your desktop
[04:54] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Edit your gnome session to not start gnome-power-manager
[04:54] <DanaG> I'm on the Intrepid X server right now.
[04:54] <DanaG> Hackish solution: chmod -x
[04:54] <bluesmoke> then you have a completely different problem
[04:55] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:55] <bluesmoke> The call is only expensive with a server that supports XRandR 1.3
[04:55] <DanaG> I'm using fglrx, by the way.  Still happens with radeon, though.
[04:55] <DanaG> I also have an issue where any fglrx newer than 8.543 causes panics... even on the Intrepid LiveCD.
[04:56] <cwillu> ahhh, grub doesn't support ext4 extents yet, and my old kernels aren't written without extents
[04:56] <cwillu> !info grub2
[04:57] <DanaG> Grub2 doesn't do savedefault.  :(
[04:57] <DanaG> Same for grub-efi.
[04:57]  * cwillu doesn't particularily care :p
[04:57] <DanaG> I do have an EFI-supporting system, by the way.
[04:57] <DanaG> grub-efi doesn't even work at all -- it just hangs before any output.
[04:57] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Wait, I think you're in the wrong channel
[04:57] <DanaG> elilo works, though.
[04:57] <DanaG> My installed system IS jaunty except for the Xorg.
[04:57] <DanaG> And libdrm2.
[04:57] <bluesmoke> Why?
[04:58]  * bluesmoke goes Corporate
[04:58] <DanaG> No power management in R600.
[04:58] <bluesmoke> I'm sorry, that is an unsupported configuration.
[04:58] <DanaG> Hmm, since it's broken as is anyway... power management is a moot point, though....
[04:58] <cwillu> now I die starting my session
[04:58] <RAOF> (Incidentally, new libdrm makes nouveau buildable again, so it'll get the new XRandR 1.3 features sync'd from Debian)
[04:58] <bluesmoke> RAOF: yay
[04:58] <DanaG> ... so perhaps I'll just go ahead and switch to Jaunty xorg and "radeon".
[04:58] <bluesmoke> did the amd64 buildds ever catch up so intel works again?
[04:59] <cwillu> solarion, yay, everything's broken!
[04:59] <pwnguin> ooh
[04:59] <RAOF> bluesmoke: Dunno.  I don't do intel :)
[04:59] <pwnguin> new randr?
[04:59] <DanaG> Hold on while  Inuke xorg and come back with gpm chmodded -x.
[04:59] <RAOF> pwnguin: I don't think it does what you want it to do yet :)
[05:00] <pwnguin> heh
[05:00] <bluesmoke> What else can it possibly do?
[05:00] <pwnguin> well, the manpage says --rotate left rotates the screen left
[05:00] <bluesmoke> It's the Resize and Rotation spec
[05:00] <RAOF> Multi-card multi-head?
[05:00] <bluesmoke> eh?
[05:01] <bluesmoke> Isn't that up to the driver?
[05:01] <pwnguin> bluesmoke: ideally, it'd rotate my tablet input along with the screen
[05:01] <RAOF> IIUC it also requires xrandr changes.
[05:02] <bluesmoke> and IIUC 1.3 was supposed to make that possible
[05:02] <bluesmoke> that was the whole point
[05:02] <bluesmoke> that way nvidia will use it and not swap out that part of Xorg anymore :P
[05:02] <RAOF> Maybe.  I thought it might have been punted to 1.4.
[05:02] <RAOF> Yay for standardised interfaces!
[05:03] <pwnguin> anyways, maybe i should file a bug in the xrandr tool
[05:03] <pwnguin> -rotate rotation Rotation  can be one of ’normal’, ’left’, ’right’ or ’inverted’. This causes the output contents to be rotated in  the  specified direction. ’right’ specifies a clockwise rotation of the picture and ’left’ specifies a counter-clockwise rotation.
[05:05] <pwnguin> i have a feeling the manpage would just be changed =(
[05:06] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: I don't think the CLI tool that is meant to rotate the screen output is the right place to rotate your tablet
[05:06] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: Now a GUI that uses xrandr to rotate your screen should probably do that though
[05:07] <pwnguin> i have an icon i click on
[05:07] <pwnguin> it runs a script
[05:07] <DanaG> weird... as it is with this session... it's not doing it:
[05:07] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f1b8975ff
[05:07] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: then your script needs to do the right thing
[05:07] <pwnguin> the script checks the current orientation and advances 1
[05:07] <DanaG> I started failsafe, then began starting some other stuff.
[05:08] <bluesmoke> the xrandr tool should not manage input
[05:08] <pwnguin> it doesn't
[05:08] <pwnguin> the script basically works
[05:08] <DanaG> So, it seems to have something to do with things attached to dbus.
[05:08] <pwnguin> except i have to modify it for every damn driver because xrandr -q isn't consistent enough for grep
[05:08] <bluesmoke> DanaG: but you didn't start gnome-power-manager
[05:08] <DanaG> hmm, lemme try that one now.
[05:09] <bluesmoke> DanaG: gnome-power-manager causes the flood
[05:09] <DanaG> It still happened with g-p-m chmodded -x and restarting xorg.
[05:09] <bluesmoke> in that case you're screwed
[05:09] <DanaG> And starting it now doesn't make it happen.
[05:09] <DanaG> So it seems something else in my gnome-session is doing it.
[05:09] <bluesmoke> upgrade to an X server that is supposed to be used :P
[05:10] <DanaG> Get the radeon people to slow down the chip to save battery... since they're not even USING the gpu as it is...
[05:10] <DanaG> That rather irritates me: they didn't have the complete specs to do acceleration... but they left the thing running full-throttle to waste power.
[05:10] <bluesmoke> DanaG: Get them some documentation
[05:11] <bluesmoke> Also they do use the 3D engine for 2D acceleration
[05:11] <pwnguin> i thought ati released documentation, and everyone went out and bought chips and was happy
[05:11] <pwnguin> is this not the case?
[05:11] <bluesmoke> pwnguin: We don't even have 3D documentation yet, although we do have a driver being developed based on this documentation since Novell and RedHat have access to it
[05:11] <pwnguin> heh
[05:12] <pwnguin> so that's what greg meant by working on open drivers
[05:12] <DanaG> I wish they'd at least released the specs to slow the damn thing down to save power, even before they finished 3D stuff.
[05:13] <DanaG> Otherwise, it divides my battery life literally in half.
[05:15] <DanaG> woah... gnome-session ITSELF is what's doing it.
[05:15] <DanaG> I started it... and the problem started; I SIGQUIT it, and the problem stopped.
[05:16] <Volkodav> anybody has nightly build repo for vlc 64 bit ?
[05:17] <Volkodav> I also could use the one for Thunderbird 3
[05:17] <DanaG> Hmm, seems like it might have something to do with dbus.
[05:18] <cwillu> dbus seems to be at the root of a few things right now
[05:19] <cwillu> I've got a latent suspend issue it's implicated in (suspend works, but dbus-send ... suspend doesn'
[05:19] <DanaG> ah.  So might dbus itself has some breakage, that'll be fixed (even if for other reasons) later?
[05:19] <DanaG> I also have PA crashing on resume from suspend.
[05:20] <DanaG> gnome-session strace log:
[05:20] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the issue also goes away upon locking the screen with gnome-screensaver.
[05:21] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3cf1297d
[05:27]  * cwillu gets grub2 booting finally
[05:27] <DanaG> I'm bummed that efifb doesn't work for my system.
[05:28] <DanaG> WOah... killing just the dbus daemon... fixed it.
[05:28] <DanaG> So, it definitely has soemthing to do with dbus.
[05:30] <DanaG> Perhaps I should dbus-listen (or whaever the equivalent is).
[05:30] <cwillu> or maybe haps
[05:32] <DanaG> Odd... this time, a normal login... is not acting up at all!
[05:32] <DanaG> So that's just mysterious.
[05:34] <DanaG> Anyway, I won't file a bug about this particular issue, due to the unsupported configuration.
[05:34] <DanaG> woah, and oddly enough, it just started happening again.
[05:37] <DanaG> ... and it stopped again when I nuked a rogue dbus-daemon.
[05:38] <DanaG> So anyway, I'm happy enough for now; I know how to work around the cpu-devouring-ness.
[05:38] <DanaG> Just take an axe to various (non-root!) dbus-daemon processes.
[06:10] <stefanlsd> Is the nvidia problem sorted with the release of nvidia 180?
[06:10] <tritium> What problem might that be?
[06:11] <stefanlsd> the old nvidia 173 drivers not compiling with the shipped kernel
[06:12] <x1250> stefanlsd, it seems to work with Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[06:12] <x1250> with the drivers on the repos, 180
[06:12] <stefanlsd> x1250: yeah. reading that also now.  does the nvidia accel work?
[06:13] <x1250> stefanlsd, yes
[06:13] <stefanlsd> x1250: cool. i'll give it a try :)
[06:22] <DanaG> Heh, I've made some progress on figuring otu what's up.
[06:23] <DanaG> I've chmodded a bunch of stuff -x, including g-p-m.
[06:23] <DanaG> I also made all /usr/lib/gvfs stuff -x... and it fixed the cpu devouring.
[06:23] <DanaG> As soon as I made it +x again... the CPU devouring came back.
[06:27] <kayess> I'm just trying jaunty alpha 2 on my eee... Seem to be getting somewhere, cool
[06:34] <DanaG> Hmm, yeah, so it's some odd interaction of lots of things.
[06:38] <DanaG>  glxinfo
[06:38] <DanaG> No protocol specified
[06:38] <DanaG> Error: unable to open display :0.0
[06:40] <kayess> Looks like the disk partitioner has died loading at 38% -- will have to spend some time d/ling alpha 3 and trying that
[06:46] <v1d4l0k4> People, I've updated my Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 with 'update-manager -d' and now my system doesn't log on. I can use only Failsafe Terminal, every other options blink the screen and back to the GDM. Many commands in the terminal shows GConf Errors, like "stale NFS locks .... failed to get connection to session". What can I do to repair the system? I'm dissapointed. =(
[06:48] <dtchen> v1d4l0k4: you might want to revert to alpha 3, then
[06:48] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, I may have the same problem, can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors?  (apt-get install pastebinit, and then pastebinit ~/.xsession-errors from a terminal, immediately after a failed session)
[06:49] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, usual statements about 'things break during alphas, you should be expecting that' :p
[06:54] <x1250> v1d4l0k4, try creating a new user and see if it works ok. If it does, try cleaning up your home dir.
[06:54] <kayess> Hey disk partitioner finally loaded!
[07:00] <v1d4l0k4> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/f15422fba ;)
[07:01] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, looks similar
[07:01] <v1d4l0k4> dtchen: In the case I want to revert do Alpha 3, how could I do it? (i'm upgraded from 8.10)
[07:01] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, from the failsafe terminal, you should be able to start metacity & gnome-settings-daemon & gnome-panel, etc
[07:02] <cwillu> v1d4l0k4, not very easily unless you made a backup
[07:02] <x1250> he can't unless reinstalling, but I don't see the point. He should create a new user and see if it works.
[07:03] <cwillu> indeed
[07:03] <cwillu> if he's got the same problem as me, it won't help, but we don't know that yet
[07:04] <cwillu> oooo, compiz might be getting the blame :)
[07:06] <v1d4l0k4> hmm, I don't have any backup :P (at least my /home has your own partition)
[07:06] <cwillu> if your home is on a seperate partition, reinstalling alpha3 would work (with the usual 'use a preexisting home partition' stuff)
[07:06] <cwillu> but that's not gonna help fix anything
[07:07] <cwillu> and if you're not helping fix things, then you _really_ shouldn't be on the alpha's :p
[07:08] <x1250> v1d4l0k4, logout and reset your gnome desktop using: sudo rm -r ~/.gconf* ~/.gnome*  ~/.local
[07:08] <x1250> if that doesn't fix it, then you can worry (supposing you've got all necessary stuff installed)
[07:09] <cwillu> noting that that will permanently reset any and all gnome settings
[07:10] <dtchen> and possibly more than just GNOME
[07:10] <dtchen> an increasing number of applications are using fdo user dirs
[07:11] <dtchen> (hence, it's normally a better idea to recommend using `mv' vice `rm')
[07:11] <DanaG> Eh, went back to good X server.  No issues anymore.
[07:13] <DanaG> er
[07:13] <DanaG> different issue: mouse is all crazy-twitchy.
[07:16] <cwillu> DanaG, same issue :p
[07:17] <cwillu> killall gnome-power-manager :p
[07:17] <biouser> I must say I am so impressed with the way that the media is heading in jaunty
[07:17] <DanaG> Not the same symptom at all, actually.
[07:17] <DanaG> By twitchy, I mean, min acceleration feels like the old max acceleration.
[07:17] <DanaG> I should be more specific: s/mouse/touchpad/
[07:17] <x1250> biouser, what do you mean?
[07:17] <cwillu> ah, k.  I have actual twichyness (mouse skips around as you move it)
[07:19] <biouser> x1250 my audio was terrible and then a couple of weeks ago I went to 8.10 and the audio interplay was much better and now in 9.04 the way that the sound services interact is improving steadily it seems
[07:19] <DanaG> I despise the new volume control.
[07:19] <DanaG> Where's my input [sub]device selector?
[07:19]  * x1250 too
[07:20] <DanaG> Where's my different-apps-to-different-devices control?
[07:20] <cwillu> DanaG, you're new to gnome, aren't you? :p
[07:20] <DanaG> And why does scrolling UP on the (stupidly horizontal) bar... DEcrease the volume?
[07:20] <cwillu> (yes, I know)
[07:20] <DanaG> cwillu: I just ran into an even more gnome-ey thing, on the HP Mini-MIE distro.
[07:20] <biouser> DanaG I think that the sound has the potential to be world-class
[07:20] <x1250> the new volume control is soooooo not efficient. If I want to change totem's volume, then 4 clicks.
[07:21] <DanaG> They have a custom GDM that disables the gdmsetup tab, and a custom gnome-control-center that hides the themes tab.
[07:21] <biouser> well pulse audio was really terrible in hardy
[07:21] <DanaG> Their Glassy-Bleu theme is cool, though -- and no other place has it.
[07:21] <biouser> but hardy is running this server like a champ
[07:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, pavumeter needs a device chooser.
[07:22] <cwillu> I'm just hoping for a alt-mousewheel-over-a-window volume control some day
[07:23] <DanaG> What's this Default, Bark, Drip, Glass, Sonar sound set?
[07:23] <DanaG> None work.
[07:23] <x1250> the volume control should show the main control volume and all apps in the main window.
[07:23] <DanaG> Here's why I like PulseAudio:
[07:23] <DanaG> Music and Videos -> USB surround sound card.
[07:24] <DanaG> Web audio and chat audio -> onboard speakers.
[07:24] <DanaG> So, if something on the internet annoys me -- bam, I mute it.
[07:25] <DanaG> even pavucontrol doesn't let you choose between mic and line-in.
[07:25] <lucent> DanaG: not quite "Button for which presser may physically alter recipient's face with a human hand-sized impact mark of varying velocity and intensity through Internet communications" but still pretty good
[07:26] <lucent> still think that the inventor who allows me to reach out and slap people over the internets will become a rich soul
[07:27] <DanaG> ugh, hate this way-too-fast mouse.
[07:27] <DanaG> Ugh.
[07:31] <DanaG> It does still bug me that the ATI open-source drivers don't put the not-yet-used GPU in low-speed mode.
[07:31] <DanaG> It's like leaving your car idling at redline speeds.
[07:32] <lucent> it's more like complaining that your government is spying on terrorists
[07:32] <lucent> what are you going to do about it?
[07:33] <fujimitsu> that entirely different subject. DanaG should just test on nvidia instead of ati
[07:33] <fujimitsu> ha
[07:33] <DanaG> No, nvidia is even worse.
[07:34] <DanaG> That's why I bought ATI, actually.
[07:34] <fujimitsu> my experience has been more rewarding
[07:34] <DanaG> radeon >>> nv
[07:34] <DanaG> last time I used nv, it inverted two of three color channels on videos... and gave blank screen on resume from suspend.
[07:35] <fujimitsu> amd/nvidia all the way
[07:35] <fujimitsu> [note that /me not testing jaunty atm]
[07:36] <DanaG> ugh, damned way-too-fast touchpad.  It was perfect in Intrepid.
[07:39] <DanaG> I meant to say:  radeon ⋙ nv
[07:40] <DanaG> And the TouchStyk is as slow as molasses.
[07:55] <biouser> GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error, trying to play .swf created by pyvnc2swf, any ideas?
[08:17] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I can EFI-boot my system OR bios-boot it.... but is there any real advantage to EFI-booting?
[08:25] <syockit> well, I managed to get pulseaudio running by deleting .esd_auth, but it sounds choppy!
[11:04] <logari81> I think this one:
[11:04] <logari81> * Drop 102_dont_vblank.patch, since the new drm code in the kernel fixes the bugs that it worked around.
[11:04] <logari81> in mesa update of today destroyed this picture:
[11:04] <logari81> http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1466/screenshotfn6.png
[11:04] <logari81> for my ati X700
[11:04] <logari81> now googleearth with composite flickers like in intrepid and e.g. cant be projected on the cube
[14:54] <spooky_d> Hello
[14:54] <spooky_d> I was wondering - how cam I play video with sound on the 9.04?
[14:54] <spooky_d> mplayer is silent as a fish, vlc/xine as well
[14:55] <spooky_d> De asemenea, 14 promisiuni sunt "în curs" şi alte 488 sunt "netratate". Printre cele aflate "în curs" se numără închiderea centrului de la Guantanamo şi alegerea unui câine pentru fiicele lui Obama, Malia şi Sasha.De asemenea, 14 promisiuni sunt "în curs" şi alte 488 sunt "netratate". Printre cele aflate "în curs" se numără închiderea centrului de la Guantanamo şi alegerea unui câine pentru fiicele lui Obama, Malia şi Sasha.otoh, amarok
[14:55] <spooky_d> sorry
[14:55] <mnemo> spooky_d: can you play sound in other apps?
[14:55] <spooky_d> amarok is playing without problems sound
[14:55] <spooky_d> and the flash plugin is able to play (from time to time)
[14:57] <spooky_d> I tried with mplayer with ao pulse and alsa (oss is not working)
[14:57] <mnemo> i can play movies with sound on jaunty (I got realtek ALC889A chipset)
[14:58] <mnemo> spooky_d: what does it say at "Chip:" if you launch "alsamixer -Dhw" in a terminal ?
[14:59] <kevku> why in the hell is ipv6 module missing in 2.6.28-5
[14:59] <spooky_d> Sigmatel STAC9200
[14:59] <spooky_d> I modprobed snd-pcm-oss, and -ao oss works like a charm
[15:00] <spooky_d> But... :(
[15:01] <mnemo> spooky_d: if some apps play sound then I dont think its the kernel module... maybe its pulseaudio thats broken or something?
[15:01] <spooky_d> Yes, but amarok plays sound - this is why I don't get it
[15:01] <mnemo> hmm, strange indeed
[15:02] <spooky_d> alsa controls are all up.
[15:02] <BUGabundo> spooky_d: jaunty?
[15:02] <mnemo> and none of them says "MM" for mute right?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> are you checking from alsamixer or alsamixergui -c 0
[15:02] <BUGabundo> =
[15:02] <BUGabundo> ??
[15:03] <spooky_d> with alsamixer
[15:03] <spooky_d> nope, none of them
[15:03] <spooky_d> BUGabundo: 9.04 - if jj it is called :P
[15:04] <BUGabundo> LOL it is spooky_d
[15:04] <BUGabundo> I only got tail of your prob. can you tell me really quick what's up?
[15:05] <spooky_d> no video playback program is able to output sound correctly
[15:05] <spooky_d> mplayer - silent - vlc silent, xine silent
[15:05] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:05] <spooky_d> mplayer's ao: pulse and alsa silent
[15:05] <BUGabundo> does is do glitchs?
[15:05] <spooky_d> I have modprobbed snd-pcm-oss and it work with oss
[15:06] <BUGabundo> how do you have the sound preferences output?
[15:06] <spooky_d> but perhaps there's a different problem that should be considered
[15:06] <spooky_d> sound preferences?
[15:06] <spooky_d> I think that pulseaudio is the preferred one - although I am not sure.
[15:06] <BUGabundo> any thing like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/295519
[15:07] <spooky_d> no glitches.
[15:07] <BUGabundo> can you check Multimedia System Selector ?
[15:07] <spooky_d> Only one glitch - it's completely silent
[15:07] <spooky_d> BUGabundo - if you tell me how to start it, because I have no idea.
[15:07] <spooky_d> ;;)
[15:08] <BUGabundo> System->Pref->
[15:08] <spooky_d> (it's not the same problem, I don't have glitches, only silence)
[15:08] <spooky_d> no such menu item
[15:09] <BUGabundo> ubuntu (gnome) right?
[15:10] <spooky_d> no
[15:10] <spooky_d> kubu
[15:10] <BUGabundo> # gstreamer-properties
[15:10] <BUGabundo> try that!
[15:11] <spooky_d> all on auto-detect
[15:12] <spooky_d> nope.
[15:12] <spooky_d> no effect.
[15:14] <BUGabundo> spooky_d: try circling around the options to see if any works
[15:15] <spooky_d> not really :(
[15:26] <BUGabundo> spooky_d: I'm out of ideas then!
[15:26] <BUGabundo> file a bug or check for dupes, and let PA devs debug it!
[15:46]  * x1250 affected by bug 320585
[15:46] <BUGabundo> x1250: mine sometimes needs an hammer but it works
[15:47] <BUGabundo> I guess I need to fine tune the sensibilty
[15:47] <BUGabundo> but the eeepc 1000h are really lousy!
[15:49]  * x1250 hopes this gets fixed soon :)
[17:05] <nixternal> oi! I did an update this morning on my jaunty box..when I go to login, it starts fine and I can start to see the desktop, then the screen garbles and spits me back out to gdm...any fixes for this yet?
[17:08] <x1250> nixternal, no such bug here. Try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:08] <nixternal> x1250: intel video?
[17:08] <x1250> nixternal, ati x1400
[17:09] <nixternal> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/320525
[17:09] <nixternal> right, there is an intel bug right now
[17:13] <DanaG> Ooh, HP's Glassy Bleu theme really IS cool.
[17:51] <FunnyLookinHat> DanaG: Link to theme?  :-)
[17:57] <DanaG> I'll have to make an archive with the source -- but I'm not sure what HP would say about it.
[17:57] <DanaG> It's not publicly available, I believe.
[18:03] <DanaG> Or rather, it is obtainable if you know how... but just not publicized.
[18:41] <Volkodav> anybody know how to get keyring for http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu jaunty main ?
[19:02] <hggdh> Volkodav, https://launchpad.net/~fta I sent this to you yesterday
[19:02] <hggdh> and it is not the keyring you need, but the public key
[19:02] <Volkodav> oh - I missed it probably
[19:02] <Volkodav> thanks
[19:03] <Volkodav> hggdh, so I add this https://launchpad.net/~fta  to  sources.lst ?
[19:06] <hggdh> Volkodav, you need the openpgp public key for fta
[19:06] <hggdh> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x68E7CD1DB6EE20E8
[19:06] <Volkodav> how do I get though ?
[19:07] <Volkodav> ok
[19:07] <hggdh> see above ;-)
[19:07] <hggdh> and you have to add it to the apt keyrinig
[19:09] <hggdh> after you download & save the public key -- say, to /tmp/fta.asc, you run 'sudo apt-key add /tmp/fta.asc'
[19:10] <Volkodav> so I do sudo touch /tmp/fta.asc
[19:10] <Volkodav> then cp the keys there
[19:11] <hggdh> you do not need to 'sudo touch', you can save it straight there
[19:11] <hggdh> under your own userid
[19:11] <Volkodav> ohj it will work as a user ?
[19:11] <hggdh> to save the public key, yes. To add it to the apt keyring, no
[19:12] <hggdh> keep in mind that the public key starts and ends at the lines beginning with '-----'
[19:16] <Volkodav> ok
[19:16] <Volkodav> doing as we speak
[19:16] <hggdh> k
[19:18] <Volkodav> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not availab
[19:18] <Volkodav> still the same
[19:18] <Volkodav> I saved the file ok though
[19:20] <Volkodav> copied from here http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x68E7CD1DB6EE20E8
[19:20] <Volkodav> maybe 64 bit is different ?
[19:22] <hggdh> no, there is no difference
[19:22] <Volkodav> so why is spitting the same error then ?
[19:22] <hggdh> Volkodav, please run 'sudo apt-key list' & pastebin the result
[19:22] <hggdh> !pastebin
[19:23] <hggdh> then pastebin the full error messages you are getting
[19:24] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/369734
[19:24] <hggdh> well, fta's key is there
[19:24] <hggdh> so now for the full error messages you are getting
[19:25] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/369735
[19:25] <Volkodav> the relevant part obviously
[19:25] <hggdh> the error message is truncated...
[19:26] <hggdh> i.e.,*which* following signatures could not be verified?
[19:29] <Volkodav> full - http://pastie.org/369737
[19:31] <hggdh> OK. The missing publik key is '632D16BB0C713DA6'
[19:31] <hggdh> which is a different one
[19:32] <hggdh> fta's is '68e7cd1db6ee20e8'
[19:33] <Volkodav> so it's some other repo you think ?
[19:34] <hggdh> now, to find this one... it is not in keyserser.ubuntu.com
[19:34] <Volkodav> when I remove this repo I get no errors though - so it must be it
[19:34] <hggdh> Volkodav, yes
[19:34] <hggdh> interesting
[19:34] <Volkodav> yeah
[19:35] <Volkodav> I will try to comment it out again and double check
[19:35] <hggdh> Volkodav, wait
[19:35] <hggdh> look at https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
[19:37] <hggdh> there is a different key for you to add... sorry, signed PPAs are new for me too
[19:38] <hggdh> this is the key you have to add: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x632D16BB0C713DA6
[19:39] <Volkodav> as a separate file or I can throw in the same I already have ?
[19:41] <hggdh> you can replace the contents of the current file with it
[19:42] <Volkodav> same error anyway
[19:43] <hggdh> pastebin both the keylist and the output og apt-get again
[19:44] <Volkodav> well I forgot to readd it
[19:44] <Volkodav> it;s all good now
[19:44] <Volkodav> thanks for your help hggdh !
[19:45] <hggdh> welcome, Volkodav , sorry for not RTFMing before telling you what to do
[19:46] <Volkodav> it's ok
[19:46] <Volkodav> the TB-3 still won't show up though
[19:47] <hggdh> heh now you lost me completely. What's TB3? Do I hang it on the wall, drink it with ice, or carry it to bed?
[19:47] <Volkodav> Thunderbird lol
[19:48] <marijus> anyone got problems running compiz since yesterdays x and mesa updates?
[19:48] <hggdh> ah <shame/>
[19:48] <marijus> on intel
[19:48] <hggdh> sorry, I do not use it, Volkodav
[19:49] <Volkodav> neither do I
[19:49] <Volkodav> I use it on Mac though
[19:49] <Volkodav> I like Claws-mail better - light and very configurable
[19:51] <hggdh> here's is Evolution. But the best mail client I ever used was The Bat, unfortunately not available on Linux
[19:52] <Volkodav> I hate Evolution for 2 things - no separate inbox/sent etc for each account and filters suck
[19:53] <Volkodav> Claws has the most flexible filters subfolders included
[19:53] <Volkodav> Evolution can not filter subfolders - it is not acceptable with my volume of mail and number of accounts
[19:54] <hggdh> I do not disagree, its just that I help support Evo, so it makes sense to use it ;-) also, we are moving to a SQL DB, and this will make extensions to filtering easier
[19:54] <Volkodav> Hope it works for you
[19:54] <hggdh> with care, yes ;-)
[19:55] <Volkodav> well - will keep an eye on it
[19:55] <Volkodav> it is flaky though
[19:55]  * hggdh agrees
[20:38] <raymears> hi folks. i have a question regarding jaunty and lirc: will it include the new kdelirc frontend for lirc?
[20:39] <raymears> (i mean jaunty... of course. silly me)
[21:01] <marijus> compiz is killing my x since yesterdays x, mesa and intel driver update... i wonder why because x seems to start well... any help?
[22:04] <Volkodav> is vlc nightly builds still down ?
[22:07] <Volkodav> is there an ubuntu repo or debian should work too ?
[22:12] <Volkodav> deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd-64/arch ./ <-- looks down deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd-64/arch ./
[22:13] <user___> Volkodav: maybe ask in #vlc
[22:14] <Volkodav> right
[22:18] <spr0k3t> just finished testing portions of jaunty... very impressive so far.
[22:19] <spr0k3t> went from 32sec boot time down to 14sec.
[22:22] <pwnguin> spr0k3t: is that with ext3 or 4?
[22:26] <pwnguin> 1
[22:27] <fholmstrom> Apt source for jaunty = ?
[22:28] <spr0k3t> pwnguin: ext3... I had some problems installing jaunty off the beta live to get ext4.
[22:28] <pwnguin> neat; my laptop hovers at 29s
[22:28] <spr0k3t> er, alpha live.
[22:28] <pwnguin> hasn't really changed much over time
[22:28] <pwnguin> im thinking i'll switch to ext4 and test that
[22:29] <pwnguin> maybe i need to rerun the profile
[22:29] <spr0k3t> well, one thing I have on my system is a 10K drive... I've seen it max close to 110MB on the boot.
[22:29] <pwnguin> oh
[22:29] <pwnguin> highest ive gotten is like 20 ;)
[22:30] <pwnguin> 1
[22:30] <spr0k3t> with arch... it's almost instant on.
[22:30] <pwnguin> gah. stupid kvm
[22:30] <pwnguin> arch linux?
[22:30] <spr0k3t> yeah
[22:30] <pwnguin> well sure, if you build your own kernel, ubuntu would be to
[22:30] <spr0k3t> not for the faint of mind.
[22:30] <pwnguin> i used to build my own debian kernel
[22:30] <spr0k3t> uber speed
[22:31] <pwnguin> at 110MB you could probably cut out readahead and just do parallel boot
[22:33] <pwnguin> 1
[22:34] <spr0k3t> sorry about that... cat stepped on the power button.
[22:35] <pwnguin> heh, i have /joins and /parts on ignore
[22:35] <pwnguin> didnt even notice
[22:35] <spr0k3t> lol
[22:35] <spr0k3t> I just need to turn off that feature.
[22:35] <spr0k3t> so far, the only thing I haven't been able to get working in jaunty is the nvidia drivers.
[22:36] <pwnguin> do you have a pressing need for nvidia?
[22:36] <pwnguin> because theres a secret i need to publish soon
[22:37] <pwnguin> nouveau's in the repo  now
[22:37] <spr0k3t> really? ... bbiab
[22:38] <spr0k3t> okay... now time to see about getting compositing turned on with dual monitor modes.
[22:38] <pwnguin> well, if you've got a superdrive, im guessing you've got an 8800gt or something newer
[22:38] <spr0k3t> yeah, something like that (9800gtx+)
[22:39] <pwnguin> that's far outside of galliums experimental setup ;)
[22:39] <pwnguin> and barely within nvidia's
[22:39] <spr0k3t> damn
[22:41] <spr0k3t> nice... gnome-display-properties still segfaults
[22:42] <pwnguin> crap
[22:42] <pwnguin> i just kicked the box under my desk
[22:42] <kab> I just install Jaunty and I get this error (EE) NVIDIA: Use the -ignoreABI option to override this check.
[22:42] <pwnguin> now the fan's goin nuts
[22:42] <kab> anyone here have Nvidia Drivers 180 working on?
[22:43] <spr0k3t> kab: did you upgrade/install or install from live?
[22:43] <pwnguin> spr0k3t: is seems you're not the only one with troubles ;)
[22:43] <spr0k3t> pwnguin: there's a known problem out on launchpad
[22:43] <kab> spr0k3t, I have installed
[22:44] <pwnguin> spr0k3t: reminds me, i should read and subscribe to some nouveau packages
[22:46] <Chr1831> anyone around?
[22:46] <Chr1831> anyone know if the bug affecting mcp67 users has been fixed in jaunty?
[22:51] <spr0k3t> Chr1831: not sure... do you know the bug# by chance?
[22:52] <Chr1831> spr0k3t nope i just remember going back to windows after 8.10 Laughing Out Loud
[22:52] <Chr1831> =P
[22:52] <spr0k3t> what's windows... precious?
[22:52] <spr0k3t> (boil em mash'em, stick em in a stew)
[22:52] <kab> did you mean XWindows?
[22:53] <Chr1831> windows vista =)
[22:53] <kab> ohhh
[22:53] <Chr1831> i cbb to hold a key (any key) during boot to get to my system...
[22:53] <Chr1831> i like linux and all but thats just a pita...
[22:53] <kab> Chr1831, what is the bug?
[22:54] <Chr1831> boot stalls during loading screen till you hold a key till it gets 2 xorg
[22:55]  * charlie-tca keeps all my windows in the house walls
[22:55] <kab> Chr1831, try with Jaunty http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-3/
[22:56] <Chr1831> i have jaunty....
[22:56] <spr0k3t> Chr1831: very odd... sounds like a bug that might be effected at the kernel level... not just the system level.
[23:01] <kab> anyone here have a nVidia property drivers working on?
[23:04] <RAOF> kab: I'm not sure what you're asking, so I'll answer both questions I read from there.  (a) Yes, many people have the nVidia proprietary drivers working; it (just) requires adding the IgnoreABI option to your ServerFlags section is xorg.conf, and (b) no one here is working on the proprietary nVidia drivers.  They can't.
[23:04] <kab> RAOF, thank you,
[23:08] <kab> RAOF, trying
[23:09] <x1250> uhm, synaptic touchpad feels very strange now, with latest upgrade.
[23:10] <RAOF> Latest, or next-to-latest?  Tap-to-click broke on next-to-latest, certainly.
[23:13] <x1250> RAOF, 0.99.3-1ubuntu2
[23:13] <kab> RAOF, thank you very much!
[23:14] <RAOF> x1250: Hm.  I'm not using that one yet.  The one before broke tap-to-click though.
[23:14] <kab> the xorg.conf with ServerFlags don't work for me
[23:15] <kab> but changing the gdm.conf is ok
[23:15] <kab> now my Xinerama is working on :)
[23:16] <x1250> RAOF, tapping is working again with 0.99.3-1ubuntu2, but it has some other issues. Difficult to explain, its just buggy. Maybe you'll know when you test it. Hopefully.