thomasdelbekeHi there people00:43
thomasdelbekeI have my gpg-key now an will try to sign the code of conduct00:43
thomasdelbekeFirst things first00:44
thomasdelbekeI have a hughe gdm bug00:44
thomasdelbekeit has tons of symptoms00:44
thomasdelbekeI don't know which ones are important00:44
thomasdelbekesome help would be appreciated00:45
thomasdelbekeMost typical = thomas@thomas-laptop:~$ pidof gdm00:45
thomasdelbeke5406 540300:45
bdmurraythomasdelbeke: what are some of the symptoms?00:45
thomasdelbekepidof gdm gives two entries00:46
thomasdelbekeI noticed the problem on two different machines00:46
bdmurrayand how is that a problem?00:46
thomasdelbekeboth Acer Aspire00:46
hggdhdo a 'ps -ef | grep gdm'00:46
thomasdelbekethe  and mine, which is:00:47
hggdhyou will find two, one owned by init00:47
hggdhthe other a child of the first00:47
thomasdelbekethomas@thomas-laptop:~$ ps -ef | grep gdm00:48
thomasdelbekeroot      5403     1  0 00:29 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm00:48
thomasdelbekeroot      5406  5403  0 00:29 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/gdm00:48
thomasdelbekeroot      5411  5406  5 00:29 tty7     00:00:57 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt700:48
thomasdelbekethomas    7164  7012  0 00:47 pts/0    00:00:00 grep gdm00:48
hggdhthis is not a problem00:48
thomasdelbekebut I have malignant symptoms too00:48
thomasdelbekeThey are:00:48
thomasdelbekeroot@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# hurestore --usage00:50
thomasdelbekeInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:72: GtkWarning: could not open display00:50
thomasdelbeke  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)00:50
thomasdelbekeUsage: hurestore [-?] [-?|--help] [--usage] [--oaf-ior-fd=FD]00:50
thomasdelbeke        [--oaf-activate-iid=IID] [--oaf-private] [--disable-sound]00:50
thomasdelbeke        [--enable-sound] [--espeaker=HOSTNAME:PORT] [--version]00:50
thomasdelbeke        [--load-modules=MODULE1,MODULE2,...]00:50
thomasdelbekeThis is the error message I got on my current outstanding gedit bug00:50
thomasdelbekeI opened  it as gedit ...00:51
hggdhand this happens when you run the command under a terminal in your logged in Gnome session, right?00:51
thomasdelbekebut it just means I cannot open anything else either00:51
hggdhthomasdelbeke, what is the bug #?00:51
thomasdelbekeyes, from terminal, as root or as 100000:51
thomasdelbekebut also from icons on panel00:52
thomasdelbekeI will look it up in firefox00:52
thomasdelbekeplease be patient,00:52
thomasdelbekefirefox does not work correctly00:52
thomasdelbekeneither does right keypad00:52
hggdhwe are patient. We are also confused right now.00:52
thomasdelbekethese are two of the other symptoms00:53
thomasdelbekeone (keypad) filed as a bug already00:53
thomasdelbekeI go look now00:53
thomasdelbekeOK, this is one:   31827600:54
hggdhbug 21827600:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 218276 in doit "DoIt on Windows" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21827600:54
thomasdelbekenow looking for the rest00:54
jmarsden|workbug 31827600:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 318276 in xorg "serious xserver-xorg problem in 8.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31827600:54
hggdhthomasdelbeke, I am sorry, but I cannot understand what is the problem on the bug00:55
hggdhthis is not an Ubuntu bug00:56
bdmurraythomasdelbeke: it is very important to treat each bug separately00:56
thomasdelbekethis one is not mine: 21827600:56
bdmurraythere are a lot of confusing and inter mixed issues going on in this bug report00:56
thomasdelbekeI do not use thunderbird00:57
thomasdelbekeI know00:57
thomasdelbekeThe problem is that I do not know which package, but I presume all of these are gdm, as display cannot be accessed00:57
thomasdelbekeyou think not???00:58
hggdhheh. gone01:01
hggdhI am *very* confused by this bug report01:02
bdmurrayhe has some very confusing issues going on01:02
hggdhthe "I voted Adolf" comment in the bug got my attention. And I did not like it01:04
bdmurrayI don't understand what he is trying to accomplish or wants01:07
andresmujicaisn't he a launchpad spammer?01:08
andresmujicai've seen some " strange " reports from him before...01:08
bdmurrayhe isn't sticking viagara adds in there01:08
hggdhwhich is good. I guess01:08
bdmurraybut he does have some very confusing problems01:09
thomasdelbekeAre you guys still ther01:10
thomasdelbekeI had to reboot01:10
thomasdelbekeBecause the task bar of firefox disappeared01:10
thomasdelbekeI could no longer mininmize and only open firfox in full screen mode01:11
bdmurraythomasdelbeke: yes, you seem to have reported quite a few bugs.  Is this all on the same hardware?01:11
thomasdelbekeyes, but I was able to verify this on a different acer machine as well01:12
thomasdelbekethe 505001:12
thomasdelbekebut only some of these, as I do not own that machine01:12
hggdhthomasdelbeke, please stick to ONE issue at a time01:13
thomasdelbekebut the thing is01:13
thomasdelbekeI am not a programmer01:13
thomasdelbekeand I do not know the cause of these display problems01:14
hggdhthomasdelbeke, please start by stating what is the issue01:14
thomasdelbekeso I do not know if it is one bug01:14
thomasdelbekelist of symptoms:01:14
greg-gthomasdelbeke: are your last comments on that bug pretty much your summary of the issue?01:14
thomasdelbekewhich one bug?01:14
thomasdelbekegedit or xserver-xorg (keypad)???01:15
andresmujicabug 31827601:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 318276 in xorg "serious xserver-xorg problem in 8.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31827601:15
andresmujicayou said that's solved now01:15
greg-gyes, sorry, I was looking at the xorg bug. I came in during the middle of this discussion. My appologies.01:16
andresmujicawith VGA driver thing?01:16
thomasdelbekethat is not my bug01:16
greg-gthe names match01:16
hggdhOK. Please give us the bug # we will be talking about now01:17
thomasdelbekebut i do indeed have a VGA issue01:17
thomasdelbekethis is the gedit one: 31123701:17
thomasdelbekeI posted it as gedit01:17
andresmujicabug 31123701:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311237 in gedit "gedit fails to run as root in jaunty" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31123701:18
thomasdelbekebut it is about the magic cookie01:18
thomasdelbekeye indeed01:18
thomasdelbekethat bug01:18
thomasdelbekemagic cookie "cannot ad display"01:18
hggdhcorrectly displayed. You had su - to root01:18
hggdhunder your X session01:19
thomasdelbekewhat do you mean?01:19
hggdhroot@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# gedit /etc/apt/sources.list01:19
thomasdelbekeI think that something in ubuntu changes something in my BIOS01:20
hggdhis this still the problem with gedit?01:20
thomasdelbekethomas@thomas-laptop:~$ sudo su01:20
thomasdelbeke[sudo] password for thomas:01:20
thomasdelbekeroot@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# pidof gdm01:20
thomasdelbeke5144 514101:20
thomasdelbekeroot@thomas-laptop:/home/thomas# cat /etc/apt/sources.list01:20
thomasdelbeke# deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/ intrepid main restricted01:21
thomasdelbeke# See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to01:21
thomasdelbeke# newer versions of the distribution.01:21
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted01:21
thomasdelbekedeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties01:21
thomasdelbeke## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the01:21
thomasdelbeke## distribution.01:21
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted01:21
thomasdelbekedeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties01:21
thomasdelbeke## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu01:21
thomasdelbeke## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any01:21
thomasdelbeke## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.01:21
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe01:21
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe01:21
thomasdelbeke## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu01:21
thomasdelbeke## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to01:21
thomasdelbeke## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in01:21
thomasdelbeke## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu01:21
thomasdelbeke## security team.01:21
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse01:21
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse01:21
thomasdelbeke## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports'01:21
thomasdelbeke## repository.01:21
thomasdelbeke## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as01:21
thomasdelbeke## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes01:21
thomasdelbeke## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.01:21
thomasdelbeke## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review01:21
thomasdelbeke## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.01:21
thomasdelbeke# deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse01:21
thomasdelbeke# deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse01:21
thomasdelbeke## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's01:21
thomasdelbeke## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is01:21
thomasdelbeke## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu01:22
thomasdelbeke## users.01:22
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner01:22
thomasdelbekedeb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner01:22
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security main restricted01:22
thomasdelbekedeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties01:22
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security universe01:22
andresmujicathomasdelbeke: Please WAIT....  use pastebin01:22
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-proposed restricted main multiverse universe01:22
thomasdelbekedeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-proposed restricted main multiverse universe01:22
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports restricted main multiverse universe01:22
thomasdelbekedeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports restricted main multiverse universe01:22
thomasdelbekedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-security multiverse01:22
thomasdelbekebut not just gedit01:22
hggdhthomasdelbeke, do *NOT* paste this again!!01:22
thomasdelbekethat was what I said01:22
thomasdelbekewhat damn?01:22
thomasdelbekeYou wanted /etc/apt/sources.list?01:22
thomasdelbekeI misunderstood?01:22
hggdhthomasdelbeke, instead, use pastenbin01:22
andresmujicapls use pastebin for that kind of things..01:22
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)01:22
andresmujicaalso.  it seems that you're giving a lot of info,01:23
andresmujicawhat i've got so far01:23
hggdhand, anyways, I have *NO* idea of what the sources.list has to do with gedit01:23
thomasdelbekesorry about that01:23
andresmujicais that you believe that Ubuntu modified your BIOS and it's causing issues with intel driver and Xorg not executing gui apps... ???01:24
thomasdelbekesomebody said gedit /etc/apt/sources.list01:24
thomasdelbekeso I presumed you wanted to see my repos01:24
hggdhthomasdelbeke, I was showing you your own text in the gedit bug01:24
greg-gandresmujica: different bug, actually01:24
thomasdelbekeok sorry again01:24
thomasdelbekeyes my bios is altered01:25
andresmujicagreg-g: it seems that he's mixing both of them.. don't know for sure...01:25
thomasdelbekeI know that from the live cd01:25
greg-gandresmujica: most likely.01:25
thomasdelbekeI could sometimes start in safe graphics mode01:25
hggdhthomasdelbeke, by the way, you should refrain from opening a root shell. This is not a good idea, for your own security01:25
thomasdelbekesometimes this option had disappeared01:25
bdmurraythomasdelbeke: yes, why do you use 'sudo su' so much?01:26
thomasdelbekeoh yeah01:26
thomasdelbekedon't use the name of root in vain01:26
hggdhactually, do not be root in vain01:26
thomasdelbekeI always have a root and a $USER open at same time01:26
thomasdelbekeyes correct hggdh01:27
thomasdelbekei pick one for each command01:27
hggdhthomasdelbeke, this is really not a good idea. The chances of a mistake are much increased01:27
thomasdelbekeok thanks for the tip01:27
hggdhif you try to run a X application from the root shell, it will fail.01:28
thomasdelbekeThe thing was I had an extreme pwd01:28
thomasdelbekeand it made it very difficult to always type that in01:28
thomasdelbekeI will follow your advice there01:28
thomasdelbekebut the (gedit and all other gui things)01:29
thomasdelbekeI do not use from the terminal01:29
hggdhthomasdelbeke, back to the gedit issue: (1) open a NEW terminal; (2) on this terminal, type 'gedit whatever'; does gedit open?01:30
thomasdelbekeI just click on the icons01:30
thomasdelbekeyes know I do not have problems in this particular partition01:30
thomasdelbekeThe thing is:01:30
hggdhso bug 311237 can be closed?01:30
thomasdelbekeon the live cd I had01:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 311237 in gedit "gedit fails to run as root in jaunty" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31123701:30
thomasdelbekein the other partition the problem still exists01:31
thomasdelbekeI reinstalled that partition01:31
thomasdelbekewhithout formatting01:31
hggdhwhat other partition?01:31
thomasdelbekeit did not go away01:31
thomasdelbekealso 8.1001:31
hggdhhold on01:31
thomasdelbekethis is a temporary one01:32
thomasdelbekeI am holding on01:32
hggdhare you telling us you reinstalled 8.10 over an already-installed Ubuntu?01:32
hggdhwithout reformatting the disk?01:32
thomasdelbekenot this one01:32
thomasdelbekethat is what I did first yes01:32
thomasdelbekebut the problem maintained01:32
thomasdelbekeso I reformatted now01:33
thomasdelbekethe other partition01:33
thomasdelbekethis is a new and temporary one01:33
thomasdelbeketo be upgraded to jaunty01:33
andresmujicapls execute from a terminal   sudo fdisk -l and put it in pastebin.01:33
thomasdelbekethrough update-manager -c -d01:33
thomasdelbekeok, i am on it01:34
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)01:34
hggdhoy vey01:34
thomasdelbekelike this?01:35
thomasdelbekeI noticed that I could "cure" some of my symptoms01:36
thomasdelbekeby reinstalling VGA driver in XP01:36
thomasdelbekelikewise in 505001:36
thomasdelbekethat is on a different partition!01:37
andresmujicathat would be bug #318276 right?  the VGA driver in XP01:37
thomasdelbekethe only way I can see that happen is when the BIOS is altered01:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 318276 in xorg "serious xserver-xorg problem in 8.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31827601:37
thomasdelbekethat one is not mine01:38
andresmujica(19:54:21) thomasdelbeke:01:39
andresmujicaOK, this is one:    31827601:39
thomasdelbekeI have: 311237 31827601:39
thomasdelbekeyes that one01:39
thomasdelbekeand a few others01:39
thomasdelbekeTormod Volden pointed out to me first that the BIOS is crap01:39
thomasdelbekehe is right01:39
thomasdelbekebut I reflashed with the latest BIOS01:40
thomasdelbekethere is no alternative01:40
thomasdelbekeOpenBIOS and u-boot and such won't work people say01:40
hggdhthomasdelbeke, are we still talking about gedit?01:41
thomasdelbekeno, like I told you, I named the bug gedit, but the symptom there was that every gui failed to open01:41
thomasdelbekealso firefox, update-manager01:42
hggdhhow did you start them? From the icons?01:42
thomasdelbekeit was the Magic cookie .. deprecated ...01:42
thomasdelbekeyes from icons01:42
thomasdelbekeI apologise if I flouded that gedit thing01:42
thomasdelbekeI can repeat it though01:43
thomasdelbekeIf you can tell me what you need01:43
hggdhthomasdelbeke, please do the following: (1) close *all* terminals; (2) click on a programme shown as an icon01:43
thomasdelbekeI can do it from the live CD01:43
hggdhdoes it work?01:43
thomasdelbekenow off course, I am working from a stable and fully updated partition, but my other partition is bust, although also a harddisk partition, with an intact file system01:44
thomasdelbekethat is the strange stuff there01:45
hggdhdoes it work? The answer should be an 'yes' or 'no'01:45
andresmujicathe home on both installations is different, right?01:45
hggdhandresmujica, good catch01:45
andresmujicaget your data from the bad partition01:46
andresmujicaand move it to your good installation01:46
thomasdelbekethe other worked fine five minutes before I contacted you01:46
andresmujicaand remove the bad partition01:46
andresmujicaand you'll be fine!01:46
hggdhthomasdelbeke, can you please pastebin the output of 'mount'?01:46
thomasdelbekeok i will patebin01:46
thomasdelbekesorry i type slow01:46
thomasdelbekebut no I will not be fine01:46
thomasdelbekeI just ran on the other partition:01:47
andresmujicayes, you'll have a lot more space available!!01:47
thomasdelbekedar -x <file>.dar01:47
thomasdelbekethat is what triggered it01:47
andresmujicathomasdelbeke, can you please pastebin the output of 'mount'?01:47
* hggdh considers getting karma by attaching files to bugs01:55
thomasdelbekeHi ther02:02
thomasdelbekeIs this the channel?02:03
thomasdelbekeone of my housemates pulled the switch02:03
thomasdelbekethen network-manager crashes02:03
thomasdelbekeI am now in my sick partition02:04
thomasdelbekefirefox does not work correctly02:04
thomasdelbekeis there a standalone irc client in main?02:05
thomasdelbekeHi there hggdh02:05
hggdhthomasdelbeke, I am here02:06
thomasdelbekeI am now in my sick partition02:06
thomasdelbekeI was stopped because my housemate turned the modem switch02:06
thomasdelbekesorry about that02:06
hggdhI do not know what irc clients are in main02:07
thomasdelbekeoh thanks02:07
thomasdelbekeI now do pastebin02:07
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)02:07
thomasdelbekeno not working02:07
hggdhthomasdelbeke, so you have three partitions: one Windows, and two linux.02:08
hggdhthe Linux systems, do they see each other's partitions?02:09
lfaraoneHey, bug 320440 is blocking the packaging of an application that is a core component of a desktop enviornment (Sugar, spesifically the "sugar-write-acitivity"). I think it's technically wishlist, but can I put it higher since it's kinda important to a now-dropped package?02:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320440 in abiword "Sugar needs abiword built with libabiword" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32044002:11
thomasdelbekepastebin still opens in firefox02:12
thomasdelbekeI just installed epiphany02:12
thomasdelbekethis is not sick02:12
thomasdelbekeyou want me to test something now02:12
thomasdelbekeI have one #root and one $USER02:12
thomasdelbekegnome-terminal that is (open)02:12
thomasdelbekeI now have the keypad problem again02:12
thomasdelbekethis was not there anymore after I reinstalled with reformatting02:12
thomasdelbekealso the 'sick' firefox went away (not the all gui do not open)02:12
greg-glfaraone: shouldn't really matter what the importance is set to, if it is an issue to build another package it should be done anyways (and then the conversation should be in #ubuntu-motu ;) )02:12
thomasdelbekeafter dar -x <my file>02:13
thomasdelbekeyou found the pastebin?02:13
hggdhthomasdelbeke, CLOSE the root session. Please learn to live without root (or use sudo, but *NOT* 'sudo su -')02:13
thomasdelbekeroot down02:14
hggdhyes, you provided the link02:14
thomasdelbekethomas@thomas-laptop:~$ pidof su02:14
thomasdelbekethomas@thomas-laptop:~$ I will be good boy02:14
thomasdelbekeYes the partitions see each other02:15
thomasdelbekeI had errors with the ntfs ones02:15
thomasdelbekeThat is both my hard disk one02:15
thomasdelbekeand two backup drives02:16
thomasdelbekeI installed mount manager02:16
thomasdelbekedisk manager02:16
thomasdelbekeI do that from gui now02:16
hggdhso you are now running off the bad partition, correct?02:17
thomasdelbekeI used mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk before ..02:17
thomasdelbekeyes this is the bad partition02:17
thomasdelbekebut it became bad without installing anything02:17
hggdhyou used 'mount /dev/sda1 /media/disk' when you were booted in the good patition, correct?02:17
thomasdelbekethat is weird02:17
thomasdelbekeI have not used it for ages02:18
thomasdelbekeI used it before reformatting (ages ago)02:18
thomasdelbekenow only gui02:18
hggdhso you reformatted the bad partition and reinstalled Linux 8.10. Correct?02:19
hggdhdid you install *ANYTHING* else (apart from standard Ubuntu packages)?02:19
thomasdelbekesorry (right keypad)02:20
thomasdelbekeand freespeak02:20
thomasdelbekefreespeak is in main02:20
thomasdelbekebut does not work anymore02:20
hggdhOK. Skype is from skype.com, vbox 2.1 from Sun or from Ubuntu?02:20
thomasdelbekeit is 1.0.something02:20
hggdhyes what?02:21
thomasdelbekesun virtualbox for 8.1002:21
thomasdelbekeand skype debian 8.04+02:21
hggdhdo you have any images installed for vbox?02:21
thomasdelbekenot now02:21
thomasdelbekeI deleted my last one02:21
thomasdelbekeI cannot use virtualbox-ose02:22
thomasdelbekeI need USB for printer02:22
thomasdelbekeI previously had Lexmark under wine02:22
hggdhso you installed 8.10 there. Then installed 2 non-ubuntu apps; and everything was fine02:22
thomasdelbekeI go check now if ./.wine is there02:22
hggdhthomasdelbeke, please answer the questions, and wait for us to ask for something02:23
thomasdelbekeok sorry02:23
thomasdelbekeeverything was fine02:24
hggdhthen you rebooted/powered off, and -- suddenly -- the system went bad. Correct?02:24
hggdhhow did it go bad?02:24
thomasdelbekeIt went bad before rebooting02:24
thomasdelbekeI did cd ./folder-of-dar-file02:24
hggdhand you were *NOT* root doing something, or were you?02:24
hggdhyou run dar, and the system goes bad02:25
thomasdelbekethen i did #root dar02:25
thomasdelbekeyes exactly02:25
thomasdelbekebut not right away02:25
thomasdelbekefirst dar finished fine02:25
greg-gagain, please don't use the root account02:25
hggdh(this will sound a bit psychoanalysis): why do you need root so much?02:25
thomasdelbekebut nothing was restored02:26
thomasdelbekeI rebooted, still everything fine02:26
thomasdelbekenothing restored02:26
hggdhthomasdelbeke, you just told us it went bad when you ran dar02:26
hggdhbefore reboot02:26
thomasdelbekeI looked in folder-of-dar-file02:26
thomasdelbekether it was restored02:26
thomasdelbekeI did ctrl+A02:26
thomasdelbekethen control + select dar-file02:27
thomasdelbekethen ctrl+x02:27
thomasdelbekepasted into /home/thomas02:27
thomasdelbekeclicked merge all02:27
hggdhhold hold hold hold02:27
thomasdelbekereplace all02:27
thomasdelbekeok I hold02:27
thomasdelbekebut THEN all went bad02:28
hggdhwhat did you have in this dar backup?02:28
thomasdelbekemainly data02:28
thomasdelbeke.iso of scanned images02:28
hggdhwould, per chance, your home directory also be there?02:28
thomasdelbekebut also spider program02:28
thomasdelbekefrom canonical support02:28
thomasdelbekebut it was not set executable02:29
hggdhthomasdelbeke, would, per chance, your home directory also be there?02:29
thomasdelbekealso a freespeak git folder02:29
hggdhthank you. the DA rests02:29
thomasdelbekedar is backend for hurestore02:30
hggdh(the DA stands up again)02:30
thomasdelbekewhat do you mean defence attorney02:30
thomasdelbekeI was bad?02:30
hggdhdistrict attorney. accusation, not defence02:30
hggdhthe /home/thomas in the dar backup was a full backup of your home?02:31
thomasdelbekeminus temporary files music video02:31
hggdhyou just overwrote a series of configuration files you had on your new "home"02:32
thomasdelbekelike .gvfs02:32
hggdhusually, this is a Very Bad Move (TM)02:32
hggdh.gconf, .gnome, etc02:32
thomasdelbekeI was just stupid, not evil02:33
hggdhthere is a good chance this is what hosed your session02:33
thomasdelbekeI agree now02:33
thomasdelbeke<little smarter>02:33
hggdhif you can create a brand new account, and login to it, you can test it02:33
thomasdelbekeI will02:33
thomasdelbekejust one problem:02:34
thomasdelbekeI will have to file a bug against dar02:34
thomasdelbekeI did this02:34
thomasdelbekecd ./folderofdar02:34
thomasdelbekebecause it did not work02:34
thomasdelbekeas in man dar02:34
hggdhah, ok02:35
thomasdelbekeit refused to follow path/<dar-file>02:35
thomasdelbekeI improvised ...02:35
hggdhbut, first: create a new account, log in to it, and test. Then please report back02:35
hggdhone issue at a time, thomasdelbeke02:35
thomasdelbekeI will now02:35
thomasdelbekesorry for your time02:36
hggdhno problem02:36
thomasdelbekeok see you later02:36
hggdhwe have not yet verified this is the issue02:36
thomasdelbekeI will verify this02:36
hggdhthomasdelbeke, we will be here02:36
hggdhgood luck02:36
thomasdelbekeok cheers02:36
hggdhoy vey iz mir...02:37
andresmujicahumm, it seems i missed the best part... .   ohh my internet connection doesn't like me...02:39
greg-gwell done hggdh.02:46
hggdhthere really should be a feedback thingy to shock one every time one goes 'sudo su -'02:46
hggdhgreg-g, thanks. I hope I earned some goodwill bonus02:46
greg-gyou get a Patience of Steel badge from me.02:47
lfaraoneHi, when I press "fn+F3" (displays battery info) it seems the key is "stuck", ie "powerinfo" spawns continously until I press another key. Afterward, menues do not open and the system does not accept keyboard input, it seems, at all, until I switch to a TTY and back. Any idea what component to file this against?04:09
greg-glfaraone: linux04:12
lfaraonegreg-g: ah, kk.04:15
thomasdelbekeHi there04:21
thomasdelbekeIs hgddh there still?04:21
lfaraonegreg-g: bug 261721 seems to have the _exact_ same symptoms as what I am experiencing, although with a different key. think it's the same bug? (and I'm still not clear on why it's marked "invalid" in all series and "fix committed" on the Intrepid subsection)04:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261721 in linux "X never sees brightness key release events on Dell laptops" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26172104:27
* greg-g looks04:28
lfaraonegreg-g: bug 282963 is worded better in the desc, but is a dupe of the bug I mentioned.04:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 282963 in gnome-power-manager "brightness keys act as if repeated many times, locks keyboard (dup-of: 261721)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28296304:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261721 in linux "X never sees brightness key release events on Dell laptops" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26172104:29
greg-glfaraone: are you using the same hardware (seems to be a dell laptop)?04:31
lfaraonegreg-g: yes, Dell XPS M1330 :)04:32
greg-glfaraone: you could ask superm1 about it04:33
lfaraonegreg-g: kk.04:34
greg-gbut of course, don't expect a quick reply as it is Friday night in his timezone04:35
lfaraonegreg-g: same here on EST :)04:36
* greg-g is also EST ;)04:37
lfaraonegreg-g: would it be bad form to PM, should I ask in -motu/-devel, or is it not a problem?04:37
greg-glfaraone: in -devel is probably ok.  Just a quick "hey, what is the status of this bug for Dell machines? I'm experiencing it with Intrepid with updates"04:38
greg-gyou do have the intrepid-updates repository enabled right?04:39
lfaraonegreg-g: -updates, yes, -proposed, no.04:39
greg-gthats fine.04:39
* greg-g heads out04:41
lfaraonegreg-g: see ya!04:41
lfaraonegreg-g: thanks for your help.04:41
greg-gno worries04:41
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calcbdmurray: is there any way to make the graphs generated for bryce's plots not go below 0?05:35
calcbdmurray: my graphs currently show up to -50 bugs on some of them, heh05:35
mangilimicHI. I'm triaging a bug and I've got a doubt. The bug is #230127 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-recorder/+bug/230127). I know that sound-recorder is not the right package for this report, infact the user is complaining about gnome-sound-recorder which belongs to package gnome-media. At the same time I suppose that this is NOT a gnome-media issue but a hardware problem. Maybe alsa. What sould I do? Thanks.08:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230127 in sound-recorder "Sound recorder doesn't work" [Undecided,New]08:25
persiamangilimic, I'd agree with you.  Try using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems to dig into the bug, and understand the issue.09:07
persiaNote that it might be a gnome-sound-recorder bug, but there's a bit of digging to do first.09:08
mangilimicok, I'll ask the user for more information09:09
orogorhi here09:16
orogori have daily system freeze, anyone know how i could debug that without another computer on the network ?09:16
orogori as thinking maybe kexec would help09:16
BUGabundoorogor: do your logs show anythingusefull?09:17
persiaorogor, Is the kernel crashing, or just hanging?  Do you get an OOPS?09:17
persiahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies has some further hints to troubleshoot kernel stuff (especially https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash)09:18
orogorit doesnt  actually crashes, just freeeze09:19
orogorsound card and tv card still works for instance09:19
orogormost of the time the mouse can still be moved around i guerss dues to nvidia hardware acceleration for mouse09:20
orogorbut keyboard doesn t respond, numlock doesn t make light switch colors09:20
persiaCheck /var/log/messages for reports from the Nvidia driver (ought still be there after reboot).09:21
orogorglobally it can stays like this for hours , unless i reboot it (in fact it does , often i get back from work with my system frozen)09:21
persiaFreeze with NVidia drivers with working mouse was a long-standing bug for a while.09:21
orogorgot that http://rafb.net/p/GhqTfO40.html09:22
persiaNot, not a grep.  There's debug messages.  maybe "NID"?09:25
persiaOr XID?09:25
persiaYes.  "Xid".09:26
persiaAnyway, if you have those, it's not something that can usually be fixed in Ubuntu, and I'd recommend checking the nvnews.net forums.09:27
persiaIf you have a different problem, it would benefit from more investigation.09:27
orogorgrep for Xid returns nothing09:28
BUGabundo1where would I find pulseaudio logs?09:54
BUGabundo1bug 317897 is getting annoying!09:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 317897 in pulseaudio "pidgin crash with Pulse Audio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31789709:55
persiaorogor, Ah, then maybe you found a new bug.10:24
orogorwant i try to upgrazde to intrepide?10:25
orogorbtw i dont know how to upgrade from major versiosn , i was running , gentoo before and it didnt have this notion of major versions10:26
persiaorogor, It may help, but it may not.  I'm not sure.10:26
persiaYou can upgrade with Upgrade Manager: I forget where the instructions for hardy->intrepid are, but I'm sure someone in #ubuntu knows.10:27
orogornevermind i found em on the web10:28
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* Elbrus is debugging Debian bug BTS 511505 (in winff) but has no experience in debugging. Can somebody point in the right direction?11:13
ElbrusThe bug includes a strace log.11:13
persiaDebian bug #51150511:22
ubottuDebian bug 511505 in winff "winff does not run at all" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/51150511:22
persiaElbrus, That's a hard one.  As it doesn't actually crash, but rather runs forever without working.11:25
persiaYou'd need to try to understand the point of failure from looking at the strace to try to find a loop.11:25
persiaThe original reporter seemed to have a crash, which would be easier, because running that under gdb could get a stacktrace (different from syscalltrace) that would pinpoint the crash.11:26
persiaOne way you might test a possible missing dependency is to build a chroot or VM with an absolute minimum set of packages (`debootstrap --variant=minbase`), and then install winff to get the smallest set of acceptable packages that may be installed.11:27
Elbruspersia: thanks, so I should as the reporter to run under gdb? And the strange thing is that initially he had a crash, while running under strance it ran forever11:28
Elbruspersia: I did that, but it didn't give me any problems (if I did it correctly, using schroot)11:28
persiaElbrus, I'd try to reproduce with a bit of effort first, just because it's hard to debug remotely.11:28
persiaTo get a useful stacktrace, the package would need to either be built with symbols (and maybe the underlying libraries built with symbols), or you'd have to be able to reconstruct the symbols later.11:29
persiaBecause binaries in Debian are stripped by default, and the symbols are not preserved, this means the package will change by the recompile, which may affect it.11:30
persiaIf you can reproduce it in a minimal environment, then you have a better chance of playing with rebuilds and determining if it is fixed.11:30
Elbruspersia: the problem is I am not much of a programmer, but only the maintainer, I really have to learn this, but don't know where to start.11:30
persiaIf you really can't reproduce it, then you could ask the submitter to do that, but it's a bit of work.11:30
ElbrusI understand11:30
Elbrushow about problems with different architectures?11:31
persiaWell, part of being a maintainer is doing the tracking down of the bugs :)  If you can identify the problem, even if you don't understand the code well enough to fix it, you can at least provide upstream with a clear, targeted report.11:31
Elbrusthat is also why I said I need to learn it :)11:32
persiaThere are certainly architecture-specific issues that happen sometimes.  Of course, the best solution is to have all the architectures, but most of us don't have that luxury :)11:32
persiaFirst try to reproduce on your architecture, in a pristine environment.  If that repeatedly fails, then you may need to work remotely, or ask someone else with the target architecture for help.11:33
* Elbrus definitely doesn't have the luxury.11:33
Elbrusok, will procede as you suggest11:33
persiaI only know of 4-5 people who did that, so you're in the majority :)11:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 265000 in ubuntu "P. C TO SLOW" [Undecided,New]11:34
whatisneveritis1how do you guys handle such bug reports?11:34
persiaWell, credit for a good bug number :)11:35
persiaThere's no good way to handle those, unfortunately.11:36
whatisneveritis1can't it be closed?11:37
persiaI'd recommend asking the submitter to detail exactly which applications are running slow, the means by which they are measuring the speed of the applications, and against what other system they are comparing it.11:37
persiaThey won't be able to answer that (or if they do, it becomes useful), and it can be closed for lack of information.11:37
persiaIt could well be any of all sorts of issues, even just thrashing against swap because of the amount of memory in the system.11:38
persiaActually, that's probably another good set of questions: how much memory, which processor, how is swap configured, etc.11:38
whatisneveritis1yeah all good ideas11:39
persiaIn essence, I think it's better to overwhelm the submitter with requests for information in an attempt to understand the bug then just tell them it's a compeltely useless bug report.11:39
persiaIf they can't provide the information, then unfortunately we'll have to close the report for lack of information, but it sends the submitter in the right direction in the future.11:40
persiaIt also shows up in the "bugs like this" when reporting a new bug, so the next person reporting "PC is slow!" can see the set of questions, and may try to get more information before filing a bug (or at least we can hope).11:40
tuxmaniacwhatisneveritis1: btw, I see it is on Hardy :-)11:42
persiawhatisneveritis1, Good luck with this one.  I suspect it will be yours for a couple months until enough time has passed to close it for insufficient information.11:42
tuxmaniacwhatisneveritis1: the first thing would be whether he is experiencing the same on Intrepid. :-)11:42
persiaNow that's an interesting question too :)11:42
persiaOf course, with a report this useless, even an answer of "yes" to "Does it happen on intrepid" doesn't help solve the bug.11:43
whatisneveritis1done. thanks for help.11:49
persiaNo problem.  Thanks for braving one of the hard bugs.11:52
whatisneveritis1I was actually hoping to code. But there you go learnt how to handle an impossibly "hard" but instead.11:54
mangilimicFrom the report attached by the user I can see that Master 0 volume for Card hw:0 'Live'/'SB Live 5.1 [SB0220] is muted.13:22
mangilimic  Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [off]   Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [off]13:22
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/320770/+text)13:22
savvashm.. why does ubottu parse +text and not the feed ?13:23
mangilimicIs it correct? (I've never seen a sound debug report before...) Thanks13:23
persiasavvas, Historical reasons.13:24
savvasbut http://feeds.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/320770/bug.atom must be way faster to read :P13:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320770 in ubuntu "No sound anymore" [Undecided,New]13:25
savvasand I stand corrected13:25
persiamangilimic, Given the description of the bug, I suspect the user doesn't know it's muted: it may be appropriate to convert it to a question.13:25
mangilimicpersia, I thought the same! :)13:26
savvaspersia: another question: do you know a reason why gnome-sharp2 depends on gnome-sharp2-examples?13:27
persiasavvas, I don't.13:28
savvasI think I'll file a bug report on that13:29
persiaWell, check first.13:29
persiaThere might be some explanantion in the documentation or the changelog.13:29
* savvas looks13:30
savvasah wait, dummy package, my fault13:35
Elbrusjames-w: would you mind commenting on bug 304249 (you proposed to sponsor my debdiff some time ago)15:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 304249 in winff "[jaunty] Presets should be updated because the ffmpeg version in Ubuntu is newer than in Debian" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30424915:17
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lfaraoneHey, how do I trigger the "foo failed to install or upgrade" notice? It seems to have disappeared after I dismissed it initialy.16:22
gourgiwhich action one needs to take to "close" a bug if the reporter says it is fixed? should the bug marked as "fix released"16:24
lfaraonegourgi: if it isn't linked to a spesific fix, invalid.16:25
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gourgilfaraone ty16:27
lfaraonegourgi: any time.16:29
lfaraoneBug 272450 is currently listed as medium, should it be higher since it causes the package to be uninstallable?16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272450 in matchbox-window-manager "package matchbox-window-manager 1.2-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus pre-removal script a retourn? une erreur de sortie d'?tat 2" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27245016:31
persiagourgi, If it's understood why it's fixed, it can be marked Fix Released, but please reference the relevant changelog entry, or other evidence that it was fixed.16:31
lfaraoneHey, is ubuntu-MID canonical supported/16:33
james_wlfaraone: you can use apport-cli to get the upgrade failure notice back I believe16:35
james_wlook in /var/crash16:35
james_was for the severity, it depends on the problem, if it happens to everyone then yes, it should probably be raised, if it only happens to those that have an unusual system then perhaps not.16:36
lfaraonejames_w: _everyone_ using the package, afaict.16:37
james_wit probably worth raising the importance then16:37
lfaraonejames_w: apport still claims there are no crash reports.16:37
persiaErm, that's my bug.  I'll go fix it.  Sorry.16:38
lfaraonejames_w: and it's a idioticly simple fix: add #!/bin/sh to the script.16:39
james_wlfaraone: did you tell it to open a crash report?16:39
lfaraonejames_w: yes, and it failed becaus I no can haz internet connectivity at the time.16:40
james_wlfaraone: no, I mean did you point apport-cli at a crash report?16:41
james_wit will have been marked as seen by you now, so you need to explicitly tell it to deal with that report again16:41
lfaraonejames_w: ah.16:42
lfaraonepersia: thanks.16:48
persialfaraone, Thanks for raising it: it was a silly mistake on my part.16:50
lfaraonepersia: tis OK, we all make them.16:54
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allquixoticHello! It would appear that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysprof/+bug/272204 is in limbo. Can anyone advise as to what the next step in the fix process might be? I've pushed through the SRU process before, but I'm not sure whether that's waiting on upstream, or a debdiff, or what. Got a user in #ubuntu trying to build sysprof-module on x86_64.20:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272204 in sysprof "sysprof-module doesn't build" [High,Fix released]20:35
hggdhallquixotic, the last comment clearly states what is needed to be done20:48
LaibschCan somebody please take a look at bug 254228?  It is a fairly important bug that affects all sqlite3-based programs.  There is a fix out there that needs some review.22:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254228 in sqlite3 "division error in sqlite 3.5.9-5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25422822:41
nixternaltjaalton: bug #320821 is not a duplicate of bug #320690 - on a couple of X related bugs they were incorrectly marked as duplicates of other X bugs by you, could you please review the reports a little deeper and if in doubt please do not hesitate to ask...thanks23:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320821 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945GM] After loading background crashes back to GDM. Works with 'driver "vesa"'." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32082123:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320690 in mesa "Hardware acceleration broken on gma950 with libgl1-mesa-dri-7.3rc3-1ubuntu1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32069023:22
tjaaltonnixternal: I just uploaded a fix for that'23:22
nixternalmesa is not the issue for crashing back to gdm though23:23
nixternalthat is specifically an intel issue23:23
tjaaltonand it fixed the problem for two guys with totally different symptoms23:23
tjaaltonyes it was23:23
tjaaltonmesa has the DRI driver23:23
tjaaltoncompiz uses it extensively23:23
nixternalumm, the issue is also occuring in Kubuntu - so it isn't related to gnome, gdm, or compiz23:24
nixternalit is intel23:24
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tjaaltonwhatever, I'm going to bed23:25

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